Can learn a lot too from smells, subtle noise changes, cyclic feel, prefer old style instruments (glass is cool, but when flying a machine where low bidder won contract - old school rules). Use all of your senses when preflighting, starting, hovering, and flying.
The Bell 429s awesome. The handling is absolutely butter smooth has tons of power yet isn’t overly sporty or have an attitude like a lot of airbus helicopters have. My only negative is how widespread the buttons are as some power is on the dash, overhead, and center consoles versus in a single area like airbus. Robinson just plain sucks when it comes to safety as I always cringe at how thin the airframe is, but these 429s are safe for this class. I believe that the AW169 is possibly the safest but they’re so effin’ expensive to service in the United States and there’s almost no FBOs or engineers who can service these awesome helicopters. For the US, I would definitely buy a 429!
So much cooler than starting up the ol’ Allison 250D on the test stand. You actually get to see things move. This was likely a different engine, but still cool to see.
An EC135 is even simpler! Well, for the second start of the day. Battery on, Prime pumps on, FADECs on, ENG switchs to idle. Turn on all the bells and whistles then ENGs fly and take off!
You'd think with the advent of FADEC turbine engine startup would finally be more automated than it is. We can't invent a computerized controller that can monitor turbine speeds and TOTs and actuate ignitors, starters, and fuel shut offs?
Exactly, still seems like quite a lot to do/check/monitor still in this day and age considering a lot is now already automated anyway and the technology we have.
Well, the EC135/145, MD900/902 and the A109ˋs with the PWC 206/207 engines actually have full automatic start up and shut down. I’m actually surprised he has to „ roll the throttle“…
Thousands of parts with only one mission when delivered from the factory, to kill everyone. Darn it though, I love them and was rated on the Bell 206 Jet Ranger. 😁
I found it interesting. Eg the display in the top left. If PDZ is a pilot then a Boeing / Airbus startup sequence is huge , so I don’t understand his comment
So much technology but they can't just put in a simple "On/Off" button . No, they insist you need to throw at least 20 switches in sequence, according to some arcane ritual.
In modern turboshaft engines, the turbine driving the rotor is not mechanically coupled to the gas generator (made of compressors, the combustion chamber and turbines driving the compressor). Reason why they are also name « free turbine engines ». Thus, disengaging the rotor would offer no benefit as the power turbine (« free turbine ») is not driven by the starter. On some helicopters, the rotor brake can be activated at start, but it is for high wind capabilities reasons. The situation with old engines with their gas generator linked to the rotor was different. A clutch was preventing to drive the rotor at start, thus avoiding design issues with the starter. But the clutch itself was meaning weight and reliability issues.
Seems like a terrible design having only a digital temperature presentation and no gauge. If it starts heading toward a hot start, you’ve got to interpret the rate that a bunch of digits are flickering, instead of seeing what the gauge is doing.
The turbines of the hot sections of the engine are designed for a maximum temperature. Increasing the power of the engine without adding weight is made by in increasing this max sustainable temperature. But there is still a limit : an overtemperature at start (typically caused by a malfunction of a governor element or air permeability of the fuel lines) can damage the turbines, and the cost of repairs quickly amount to hundreds of thousands... On recent helicopters equipped with Full Authority Digital Engine Controls (FADEC) the start sequence will be stopped automatically should the temperature threshold be overshooted. On older helicopters, it is relying on the pilot survey at start, and the overtemp sequence is really quick ! This overtemp is sometimes called « hot start ». But on turboshaft engines the « hot start » wording mostly refer to a normal procedure at start. If the residual internal temperature of the engine remains high before starting (further to a previous flight combined to a high OAT or an aborted start), there are specific procedures to start the engines by first running the gas generator with the starter without injecting fuel.
@@noosphere6132 oh ok i see ... So what about engines with afterburners? Or military jet engines? Does the same rules apply or do they changes because it has an afterburner? Im just wondering sorry for the questions im just trying to understand all of this
The design of a turboshaft / turboprop engine is nearly the same than a single flow jet engine. Instead of collecting the energy of the hot gases with a power turbine driving the rotor or propeller, you collect this energy on the exhaust casing. The afterburner consisting in providing additional energy through burning fuel after the turbines : high energy because you are not limited by the max temperature endurance of the turbines but with low efficiency (compared to the combustion in the combustion chamber which provides a very efficient air / fuel mixing) thus impacting the aircraft range.
Its easy af. It's a 6 step process. Take the brake off the rotor located on the roof (which is not mentioned). Turn on the battery. Start engine one (aka starter) Start engine 2, turn on both generator switches and you are good to go. This numbnuts just wanted to make it look complicated by pressing buttons that have nothing to do with the "startup" procedure. Everything else was testing the lights/turning on gps etc etc... Not anything to do with the startup procedure. SMH
Tell me he didn't just waste a heat cycle on those engines just to move the aircraft over a small distance that could have been accomplished using a set of ground maneuvering skid wheels and two airport service staff members?
That would be a huge waste to shorten a very significant (& expensive) maintenance schedule just to move from one space to another on the same paddock. Poor planning.
The pilot was 25 years old when he began the start up, he was 73 when he eventually took off, if you want state of the art of everything twin engine helicopters the only choice is Airbus helicopters..
What's better than hearing a turbine engine start ? TWO turbine engines starting !!
Agreed.
Helicopters (turboshafts) sound so cool on startup!!
The Pratt and Whitney Canada PW207D1 is a sweet sounding engine. Makes me quiver and squeal a bit every time one spools up.
Airwolf is all I think of
Yep just like holding two electric drills to each side of your head
Have you looked 😍 into gyro-planes or some call them gyro copters. A poor man's helicopter.
Maaan, I just LOVE the sound of that engine!!!🚁👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾👍🏾❤💯
AGREED!!! That is just the sweetest purring music!!!!!
Actual sound of my computer starting flight simulator 2020.
WOW that is a beautifully modernized cockpit.
Is that not real then.?
Can learn a lot too from smells, subtle noise changes, cyclic feel, prefer old style instruments (glass is cool, but when flying a machine where low bidder won contract - old school rules). Use all of your senses when preflighting, starting, hovering, and flying.
Still one of the sexiest sounds God has ever bestowed upon mankind.
The Bell 429s awesome. The handling is absolutely butter smooth has tons of power yet isn’t overly sporty or have an attitude like a lot of airbus helicopters have. My only negative is how widespread the buttons are as some power is on the dash, overhead, and center consoles versus in a single area like airbus. Robinson just plain sucks when it comes to safety as I always cringe at how thin the airframe is, but these 429s are safe for this class. I believe that the AW169 is possibly the safest but they’re so effin’ expensive to service in the United States and there’s almost no FBOs or engineers who can service these awesome helicopters.
For the US, I would definitely buy a 429!
Turbo and jet. That sound is the best on startup. i love
She says I'm in trouble, chittah go. Full powerr
So much cooler than starting up the ol’ Allison 250D on the test stand. You actually get to see things move. This was likely a different engine, but still cool to see.
Backyardmech1 Yep. Pratt Canada PW207
And it does not require the 2-minute cooldown that the old RR250's did in the Jetrangers.
Pure turbine sound is all that I wanted to hear in this video! Amazing!!!
An EC135 is even simpler! Well, for the second start of the day. Battery on, Prime pumps on, FADECs on, ENG switchs to idle. Turn on all the bells and whistles then ENGs fly and take off!
I love it dude turbine Chopper AIRWOLF
You'd think with the advent of FADEC turbine engine startup would finally be more automated than it is. We can't invent a computerized controller that can monitor turbine speeds and TOTs and actuate ignitors, starters, and fuel shut offs?
Exactly, still seems like quite a lot to do/check/monitor still in this day and age considering a lot is now already automated anyway and the technology we have.
Well, the EC135/145, MD900/902 and the A109ˋs with the PWC 206/207 engines actually have full automatic start up and shut down. I’m actually surprised he has to „ roll the throttle“…
What do you think is happening in this video? It’s all FADEC, for a multi-engine helicopter it doesn’t come simpler than this.
Why do I have the airwolf theme in my head. So totally wow factor to even fly a helicopter so jealous
I love sound when first start, like i first woke up from sleep
Me too bro
Fair analogy.
The screens look just like the MFD in the Apache D model.
I noticed a breath take after shutdown! Glad I'm not the only one who does that!
Needs the airwolf theme.
Best EMS helicopter in the world !
now if they would make flying helicopters affordable....
wraqi Good advice. However I would not advise on trying to fly any ultralight without training - not if the owner values their life.
James Holt I just wish I could afford a bell 206
@@jerryscanas I have 3 in my back yard.
@Above Reality Sim
FUCK. THE. #1. " SMALL. TALK. " BELL. #1. RANGER'$ RULE. BITCHES. LOL. 😎
@@jerryscanas MD620n for me !!
Thousands of parts with only one mission when delivered from the factory, to kill everyone. Darn it though, I love them and was rated on the Bell 206 Jet Ranger. 😁
The 429 isn’t military it’s civilian
@@jameson1239 yes I know. I was referring to helos in general having one purpose off the line.
How often did you happen into, "Well, that's a constructive notion of 'getting high'"?
Damn! Take us for ride
In flight it is very calm!
I found it interesting. Eg the display in the top left. If PDZ is a pilot then a Boeing / Airbus startup sequence is huge , so I don’t understand his comment
Next time put a mike in your head set to hear him speaking.
So much technology but they can't just put in a simple "On/Off" button . No, they insist you need to throw at least 20 switches in sequence, according to some arcane ritual.
And the stupid comment of the day award goes to......PDZ1122.
@@ajones687604 humor is not vyour strong point , is it? I'm a pilot...
@@PDZ1122 And I can see spelling isn't yours. Sure you are.....
@@ajones687604 PDZ1122 should have give you a clue. Since you don't have one.
@@PDZ1122 Easy, tough guy. Everything will be OK.
That's a nice ship! wow!
What is the point of having twist throttle? All you need is a 3 position switch: OFF, IDLE and FLY.
Yep. I prefer old school round gages too. I prefer H model Huey's, and German helicopter 🚁🚁🚁
خیلی خیلی عالیه فقط مشکل زبان که به فارسی ترجمه نمیشه ممنون
Awesome turbine sound
Hey, it’s IPT
Vague, not specific, camera & pilot were not in sync and narration was inaudible.
Sortie ace, prep complete!
Amazing.
Can’t hear the pilot! The camera guy is all over the place! Your fired!
Very informative 👍
Very nice man!
Wow that is some machine
Wow, that was a 50 meter flight!
Get to the choppa!
I like the sound
this guy can barley reach the anti torque peddals
Airwolf is real.. (Almost.)
Well, the AH-64 is pretty fast as helicopters go, and can sneak up on adversaries, although differently from the fictional gunship.
How much did that cost?
El tiempo que el piloto perdio en hacer arrancar este bicho yo ya llegue caminando 😅Cuantos botones vas a tocar hermano????
Schitterend mooi😀👌
I've always wanted to know why you can't disengage the rotors when sitting idle.surely it would be much more fuel efficient?
In modern turboshaft engines, the turbine driving the rotor is not mechanically coupled to the gas generator (made of compressors, the combustion chamber and turbines driving the compressor). Reason why they are also name « free turbine engines ». Thus, disengaging the rotor would offer no benefit as the power turbine (« free turbine ») is not driven by the starter. On some helicopters, the rotor brake can be activated at start, but it is for high wind capabilities reasons. The situation with old engines with their gas generator linked to the rotor was different. A clutch was preventing to drive the rotor at start, thus avoiding design issues with the starter. But the clutch itself was meaning weight and reliability issues.
On turbine helicopters it doesn’t matter if the rotors are turning when the engines are at idle. The starters don’t even turn the rotors.
alright im starting new business of bell 429 repos
LOL
I am not statified with this helicopter
@eagledynamics put this in DCS
All a bit pointless if you can't hear the pilot, what he"s doing, and why, sorry guys 🤔
one word: Subtitles
Turbine spool up.....better than sex!!!!!!😂🤣
My son want to be a pilot
How do they cope with boredom on these long flights?
Steeyuv I enjoy it quite a lot so I’m rarely bored
If you're bored flying a helicopter, your'e doing it wrong.
Haha. I could almost have posted that flight as a "Vine". Lol.
I dont know what machine he start up..
The sounds look like one of my Y2K Bike 😁
I watch this video in 2018 haha cool
Cheetah lift is much easier
How shutdown engine???
That’s WAY too many buttons and switches, to be starting an engine.
Seems like a terrible design having only a digital temperature presentation and no gauge. If it starts heading toward a hot start, you’ve got to interpret the rate that a bunch of digits are flickering, instead of seeing what the gauge is doing.
Perfeito
So what is a hot start? Ive heard mixed answers for this question. Is it bad for the engine ?
Too much fuel entering the combustion chamber and/or insufficient turbine RPM.
Much worse damage for a turbine engine than piston.
The turbines of the hot sections of the engine are designed for a maximum temperature. Increasing the power of the engine without adding weight is made by in increasing this max sustainable temperature. But there is still a limit : an overtemperature at start (typically caused by a malfunction of a governor element or air permeability of the fuel lines) can damage the turbines, and the cost of repairs quickly amount to hundreds of thousands... On recent helicopters equipped with Full Authority Digital Engine Controls (FADEC) the start sequence will be stopped automatically should the temperature threshold be overshooted. On older helicopters, it is relying on the pilot survey at start, and the overtemp sequence is really quick ! This overtemp is sometimes called « hot start ».
But on turboshaft engines the « hot start » wording mostly refer to a normal procedure at start. If the residual internal temperature of the engine remains high before starting (further to a previous flight combined to a high OAT or an aborted start), there are specific procedures to start the engines by first running the gas generator with the starter without injecting fuel.
@@noosphere6132 oh ok i see ... So what about engines with afterburners? Or military jet engines? Does the same rules apply or do they changes because it has an afterburner? Im just wondering sorry for the questions im just trying to understand all of this
I would like some pointers on building a car turbo jet engine so i need to know as much as i can . i like to build things
The design of a turboshaft / turboprop engine is nearly the same than a single flow jet engine. Instead of collecting the energy of the hot gases with a power turbine driving the rotor or propeller, you collect this energy on the exhaust casing. The afterburner consisting in providing additional energy through burning fuel after the turbines : high energy because you are not limited by the max temperature endurance of the turbines but with low efficiency (compared to the combustion in the combustion chamber which provides a very efficient air / fuel mixing) thus impacting the aircraft range.
Do we have a 429 modified for medical rescue
Yes
Could the instrument panel have been made larger?
:o(
I believe there is a version with more displays, for training.
Sure..there could be a FLIR/ TV CAM screen in it...and more radios... :)
DML Channel the one I work around has duplicate cockpit panels and controls for the pilot and copilot
Small instruments...i miss analog displays, pilot seems so hurry in my opnion.
Obviously very experienced and can do it easily, although checklists should be used but the vid is startup only.
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Thank you.
Pnp crash sir ano,?
What flight sim is this? Its so realistic
auto start!
Poor camera work
Give me analog gauges.
Its easy af. It's a 6 step process. Take the brake off the rotor located on the roof (which is not mentioned). Turn on the battery. Start engine one (aka starter) Start engine 2, turn on both generator switches and you are good to go. This numbnuts just wanted to make it look complicated by pressing buttons that have nothing to do with the "startup" procedure. Everything else was testing the lights/turning on gps etc etc... Not anything to do with the startup procedure. SMH
NO checklist???? poor audio
OMG auto start!
its a fadec assisted start actually. less stress on the pilot
Tell me he didn't just waste a heat cycle on those engines just to move the aircraft over a small distance that could have been accomplished using a set of ground maneuvering skid wheels and two airport service staff members?
We didn't have ground handling wheels at the time.
That would be a huge waste to shorten a very significant
(& expensive) maintenance schedule just to move from one space to another on the same paddock. Poor planning.
Ok...tell me which one you would _rather_ do, when given the opportunity 😂
@@jetstream454 As long as I wasn't paying for it.......I'd definitely chose what takes place in the video!!!
Suppose that's all well and good if you just so happen to have a set of ground manuvering skid wheels and two airport service workers laying around?
I saw the T-Hangars and I’m like wait, that’s my home airport!
Nothing can do what a helicopter can do 🎉
Greatest sound in the world 😮
amazingly advanced....fully auto cockpit. thats bewildered anyone.
How LOUD is the LADY? OMG
how the tail rotor is not heavy
He's hard on the buttons and switches.
Giniiiiii teruuusss !!!
Well, let’s get Siri in on the action and find out! 😄
Yeah, self-explainureaturly
The pilot was 25 years old when he began the start up, he was 73 when he eventually took off, if you want state of the art of everything twin engine helicopters the only choice is Airbus helicopters..
So you're saying it's too slow and others are saying it's too fast, can't be both?