Lessons Learned After EV Swapping A Classic Ford: Here’s What You Need To Know!
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Regarding the emergency disconnect for firemen, maybe place a sticker outside next to the drivers door indicating it is behind the seat, sort like fighter jets have an sticker that reads "rescue" with an arrow. Extra points if it is very similar ;)
That is a great suggestion. Thank you.
Can’t wait for the day you can Amazon an entire ev swap for your car. Motor, controllers, BMS, battery modules . Can’t wait
That day is coming closer...
@@TFLEV my guess is 5-8 year's away from today.
I'd love to see a modern JC Whitney EV catalog.
Some vehicles you already can... VW bugs and I think the Mini Cooper already have kits you can purchase with all the parts you need. Maybe not Amazon though, but still, the kits are available.
@@Phatman114 more than a couple companies make bolt in kits for Porsche 911s of various vintages as well.
It's definetely coming someday soonish. I could see a mash up with aems ev division Holley high voltage.
Where you select your car, select the motor/s&hp goals, select your electronics with aem/next ev, select your battery setup, then have mounts and various stuff built by a place like send-cut-send. It would still be very pricey though for a good long time yet. 🤔
34:30 Battery prices have gone up since I sourced them, but the LFP batteries for my Ford Ranger EV restoration would cost $14,000 today, which is three times the cost of the truck itself and all other components and tools required for the restoration.
Nice final product, but it's hard to justify putting a $30k drivetrain in a $1500 vehicle. Price is going to hold back most conversions. You could leave the ICE in that and just buy a Chevy bolt to drive. You would have less in it.
Or buy a cheap bolt strip it down and reuse the parts like Chevy themselves did a couple year's ago for the sema built ev c10.
The same applies to any classic custom. You're not trying to build basic transportation; you're doing something special. However, in coming years, it will likely become economical to convert them.
Also, this is a $32k EV real truck. It's cheaper than any brand new full size truck and cheaper to run.
@jamesengland7461 with half the range. I expect that if Ford wanted to build a new ranger EV with only 250 hp and 100 miles of range, they could probably get close to that 30k price. It wouldn't sell well enough, though. They probably will build one with 300 hp and 250 miles of range. It will probably still be under 40k.
If you find one of these for $1,500 BUY IT! Value on these old trucks has gone through the roof. I sold a 86 in rough shape for 9k, and that's not a one off. Chevys are a little more, but Fords sell just as well.
Still I get your point!
Components alone for this build was $40k. my guess on labor $15 to $30k.
Really interesting. Right now, I'd guess, that this is not practical for the average guy but the possibility of this is what happens to combustible over time is fascinating. I hope you'll consider doing one of these builds on a smaller vehicle with a focus on keeping cost down and range and charging up. Thanks for doing this and great video
It would be neat to see but this video series was really expensive and hasn’t generated a lot of views. I think it may gain traction in time but I don’t expect to see another conversion on TFLEV anytime soon.
A budget build could be done a lot cheaper. A small car (probably something like a Geo Metro would be best) would only need a single NetGain motor and 36 LFP cells. Even if they splurged and got 200+ Ah cells, the cost would only be about as much as three Tesla 18650 modules.
I like this better than your new raptor R 🤫
Excellent, I lean towards a one motor (DC to save inverter watts) system as I have a 69 f250. Ford is developing crate w most other components in a kit. My truck is a 2wd w a dana 60 rear. I want to do this myself and install a solar hybrid stand alone/grid feed system. Simplicity is key.
I can appreciate the effort, but the result is a little tepid for me. No worries. The first people to do things are the pioneers who hit the most criticism. More power to y’all.
Thank you for the support!
@@TFLEV Even if I disagree with whatever, I enjoy what y'all do. Especially Nathan - but don't tell him. He'll get a swelled head and go buy a VW something or rather.
Thanks for the details! Doing something like this is on my very long to-do/wish list.
I use 2 seedling matts in a insulated outdoor deck box in my shed. To keep my batterys warm.. it works great
Thanks for the information, Andre. When you were under the truck with the camera, it looked to me like the pinion on the rear diff is angled up too much. This could be leading to driveline vibration. The output shaft on the transfer case should be parallel with the differential pinion.
21k just in batteries! Phew that's a lot of loot.
Thanks for the overview, guys. One thing that I think would drive a lot of questions is the "little stuff." I know you mentioned components like power steering pumps and things of that nature, but even small components like accelerator pedals and other crucial pieces that are needed to make the conversion roadworthy might be helpful.
Great point!
@@TFLEV An in-depth conversation on liquid cooling systems would be impressive. Battery cooling and heating system includes hoses, pump, heater and radiator. Motor cooling, controller cooling if separate box from inverter, inverter cooling, charger cooling anything else liquid cooled. What are the advantages of cooling 'each' of these systems if liquid cooled over non-cooled systems, describe components included into each system, what are the negatives of individual systems that are not liquid cooled such as the car begins to slow down on the highway. Tesla motors are liquid cooled hyper nine motors are not, because of that what can the Tesla motor do that the hyper nine can't? Thanks for the great work and hard work that you do!!!
7:28 For reference, the stock motor in my Ford Ranger EVs is ~90 kW (about 120 HP) and about 150 lb/ft of torque. That's with a 400 V system, though, so it runs lower current.
I know this is an old video but could someone from TFL let me know if Chargezilla is still with TFL or has it been moved on to a new owner? I just have not seen anything on it in months and don't recall anything being said about you folks moving it on down the road.
Nice build. I’d love to do it with my 2002 King Ranch but with less raw power, more smooth and quiet power. Battery packs all down low, to allow for a 2002 front trunk :) with an additional layer of batteries in the floor of the bed.
Wow definitely wouldn't trust a company that considers matching the voltage of a huge battery pack by "hooking it up to a 12V on a van" to balance it... Scary. Battery modules need to be capacity matched, not just voltage matched, or one module will hit full/empty before the others and waste potential capacity. It will always be a problem.
Greetings from Bulgaria! Thanks for the Interesting and informative video.
Thank you for watching!
Good informative video. I'd be interested to see a cost breakdown as well
We showed a cost breakdown in a previous episode of this series. Thank you for watching.
I do like it! It is a good way to keep something relevant in time and be reversible if wanted
Great information thanks for this video! Towards the end when you are under the ford, I just wanted to warn to check your pinion angles. The rear looks way off and the front doesn't look perfect either.
Expensive and would love to own. I would actually like to see this done to a more modern truck. Like a 1999-2003 f-150.
I would love to do my 1998 GMC 2500 extended cab 8ft bed 4X4. I would like to have a range of 300 miles.
You'd need probably 150kWh battery or more. And that would be expensive!
Buy a crashed Tesla and transfer all the EV components!
@@marcbee1234 great idea
This is great. Reusing batteries from wrecked vehicle, & using older rolling stock. Love it.
I like how this is considered a viable choice. The two motors alone are going to be about 10k, another 10k for battery's, and then all of the nic naks. This is probably a 25k+ engine swap in a truck that cost less than 5! 😂 Looks good though!
This would be wicked project, but as a poor person, I think I will just TDI swap my Tacoma instead.
I would absolutely love for a company to get a kit together for the older ranger/b2300 trucks. I had a 2008 I had to get rid of, but my wife's grandfather had an older b2300 which has just died in the garage. Would love to get that kit and turn that back into a useful vehicle with both a homage to the man who used to drive the truck and the nostalgia of my old 2008. That would be sweet.
Nice video. Converting packs should be available for commercial vehicles as well, an 8x8 fire extinguisher for example throws out a lot of chemicals, not only NOx and COx but sulfur and poly-aromatics hydrocarbon.... baffling considering they were built to save lives
Look at Edison motors up in Canada.
Can you please do a video on the battery satellite that monitors batteries and puts it on your dash
We wish to see old trucks in SNOW please. Thank you.
If it's anything like it is here in WV it actually has to snow first
You may have just saved the truck EV business with this unique idea.
I would like to covert my Chevy 3500 4x4 Dully in to a hybrid electric and an engine/generator. I do a lot of towing of a 45’ fifth wheel about 24000lb across the country, that why the hybrid. I would like to keep the 4x4 system in the truck. Do you know any one that dose this type of conversion?
Edison motors in Canada is working on that exact system.
Any problems getting the controllers to operate both motors at once as opposed to just one……..
I love this truck, but man that "NPRD" gear order would drive me nuts. (And it may actually be illegal.)
I'd love to see TFL do a hydrogen ice or fuel cell conversion on a truck.
Hi
Where I live ,we are not allowed to do any modifications on a vehicle.
I asked a few years ago what the process would be, they told me the vehicle I would be modifying would have to go through a crash test! Wtf!
Where do you live?
@@preachers4135 Quebec Canada
@@christianglaude6659 That’s interesting. Talk about an innovation buzz kill.
If you want to do an electric motor swap on my 1970 Opel GT I'm interested.
That would be amazing! One of the most beautiful cars ever made!
I wonder what the cost would be to convert a 1970 Opel GT.
Doing it yourself figure 10-12 thousand for a new motor, BMS, adapter plates, cooling system, mounting, battery boxes and batteries from a totaled car typically from a Tesla or Chevy Volt. New batteries are expensive. Paying someone else could be triple that. A Hyper 9 would be nice in an Opal GT. I would keep the transmission and clutch if it can handle the increased power and torque. As long as around 100 mile range works for you you could keep the car about the original weight. It would be a blast to drive. Plan on spending about $500 for insulated tools, meters and safety equipment.
@@dannelson6980 looks like I'll just upgrade the carb to a Weber to get it running and get a paint job.
130 HP. Nah. 100 miles of range. For the cost, and the parts housed, nah. Didn't go over the total cost in this video.
I have a rivian r1s order if interested also a one mile drive
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You can buy a used tesla for less than you guys paid for those battery packs. Why not just buy a 20k tesla and transfer the batteries, motor, screen, everything?? Seems super dumb to pay more just for batteries. I'm actually shocked you guys are recommending this option.
Maybe because most of the components are new instead of repurposed from used vehicle. Higher reliability
@@ezyungin95 No, those batteries they used are used, and they still paid 21k!!
@@edition-deluxe I didn’t mention batteries by the way. Batteries won’t be of much used if they can’t receive charge nor will it matter of the vehicle can’t use it. I said components used to bring the focus as to why the prices may be the way it is. Batteries are expensive regardless of the platform
@@edition-deluxe They said these batteries are guaranteed 80%. Not just buying a used car and cannibalizing it.
I would love to buy a truck like this......If anyone out there is building trucks like this contact me. I am in.
Why not use Tesla motors?
Afternoon
bet it costs a lot more than it's worth
To be fair most project/passion vehicles cost more to build then they're worth. I totally get your point tho.
Would love to do this, but I can spend the same amount on a Chevy bolt with a warranty that would be faster and better at everything. Your coworker can show you his.
The chevy Bolt would haul and go offroading better?
You have a lot more faith in GM electronics than I do.
Tesla uses Panasonic batteries
Plus catl, lg chem, byd, and their own in house 4680s.
@@4literv6 No, just Panasonic, they don't use the other junk you listed
@@allentoyokawa9068 yes they do and it's easily verified by searching. Tear downs of the 4680s from multiple sources now exist.
Tear downs of the catl lfp prismatic cells exist, and tear downs showing the overseas cars use lg chem cells.
Byd is the only one still rumored and no tear down has been shared publicly of a tesla with byd cells in it's battery case.👍🏻
I don’t like Panasonic ever since they mishandled a warranty repair on a simple vehicle CD player twenty two years ago. I have avoided Panasonic products since. If they can’t be trusted in the small things I will not trust them with anything.
EV swap is definitely more interesting, but I would have just stuffed a 460 in it and called it a day.
I hate this truck. Those guys from 101 motors really slapped it together. They couldn’t even have been bothered to throw a open knuckle axle under it. Or get rid of that slider bushing leaf spring set up.
I think you’d be better off waiting for someone to roll a lightning/ev transit and doing a chassis swap
It's an ev conversion not an over haul it all comes down to money it's main point was just to replace ice with electric motors without having to replace everything to the wheels
I think you’re missing the point of a custom build….
Why would be the point to put a open knuckle axle in
@@ericcrockett479 bigger brakes, bigger shafts, easy to service. Tighter turning radius. Do I need to continue