MCLAREN AREN'T CHAMPIONS! | The Shakedown Podcast #81

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  • @rpcorp
    @rpcorp 3 місяці тому +15

    A lot of talk about Lando for excellent reasons. But it is Oscar who remains cool and is consistently raising his game. I agree with others in the comments who say that Oscar could well be ahead of Lando by Seasons end. He has the steely resolve, proper approach and total self belief of an actual champion 🏆

    • @dariussatius1621
      @dariussatius1621 3 місяці тому +1

      Every time I hear people say how good Lando is, I'm like do you see Piastri? Don't know why but I believe he can be better than Lando, because he gives me the vibes of a guy that gets in the car and does things thing

    • @josephpatrick8407
      @josephpatrick8407 3 місяці тому

      Before Oscar was entering F1, I remember the controversy with him signing with McLaren eventhough he Aston Martin through they had a deal. Toto said, "he better be quick"! Well we know he is very quick...

  • @SafakYokolma
    @SafakYokolma 3 місяці тому +7

    I’m a bit confused…Shaz criticises Max for cursing, etc, but then he asked “but do I like it? Yes I love to see Max like that on the radio” …make up your mind 🥴
    Oh and there is said that with this team he won many races…and that he can’t do that (cursing) after loosing…fair enough but I remember Lewis did the same…after a bad strategy he said on the radio “I can’t believe you guys f** screwed me over, man” .
    they all do this but I think some people are just too focused on Max’ shortcomings…”for the nay sayers”: try to focus on his accomplishments too.

  • @jonathanharding6068
    @jonathanharding6068 3 місяці тому +28

    I think Max acts exactly how a champion should act he wears his heart on his sleeve he doesn't show up to the track in clown outfits to get attention like a 15 year old girl and he says what's on his mind like a real man and that takes balls in this liberal clown world we live in . He isn't a f1 driver for money or fame he is a f1 driver just for glory and to win an that's refreshing .

    • @robertoarbizu
      @robertoarbizu 3 місяці тому +2

      Anything wrong with showing personality?! And what real man talk is max doing? cause imo he doesn't talk about anything besides his sim racing which is completely fine, and complains like any other driver! And I guess being the highest paid driver in history is just a bonus and for the love of the sport?! And isn't he doing a series or movie about himself ........

    • @anoopbains1257
      @anoopbains1257 3 місяці тому

      Maxtard delusional fanboy .. just like people support trump

  • @Surfsaus
    @Surfsaus 3 місяці тому +5

    Oscar is living rent free in Landon's head. People mistakenly say that Lando is the number 1 driver. Not from what i've seen

  • @JonathanvG-wj1ro
    @JonathanvG-wj1ro 3 місяці тому +27

    Who says Max "wants to be loved" haha he cares about winning, not about being loved

    • @magdelinem6962
      @magdelinem6962 3 місяці тому +6

      That's the reason I love him hey 😉🙈🤷

    • @JamieCole-wl9lo
      @JamieCole-wl9lo 3 місяці тому +2

      @@JonathanvG-wj1ro the fact it’s pretty common knowledge he was borderline abused by his father tells every one as a human he needs to be loved… as sad as that is

    • @anoopbains1257
      @anoopbains1257 3 місяці тому

      Nonsense this is entertainment , fans matter

    • @NovaDaGoat
      @NovaDaGoat 3 місяці тому +2

      that’s what makes him a champion

    • @dwightwiebers5021
      @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому +2

      It's Baxtie with his peculiar view on the world of F1. Give me a break with that man...

  • @obscuraapit
    @obscuraapit 3 місяці тому +11

    What nonsense, psychological!! The fact that he's now starting to fight for wins & even won racing alongside Lando in such a short time shows just how strong he is mentally. McLaren really underestimated this kid's adaptability, they'll do well but will be in a constant pickle. Piastri will start outperforming Lando by the end of this season bcz he's only going to get better.

  • @twanvorstenbosch
    @twanvorstenbosch 3 місяці тому +10

    yeah Vettel snapped Hamilton snapped Senna snapped Alonso snapped , all the greats have snapped , the difference is that Max is Dutch !!! when a Dutch guy snaps you'll gonna know it , you'll gonna hear it , thats how the ( most of ) Dutch are , ask me how i know 😅 , i guess its part of the Dutch directness , and most other cultures can handle that.
    Big Love from the Netherlands ❤

  • @jonathanharding6068
    @jonathanharding6068 3 місяці тому +8

    Imagine if max mouthed off to LH like that it would of been like dropping a nuclear bomb on the f1 landscape its all we would talk about but because Lando is English it doesn't even make the headlines

    • @MayorSom
      @MayorSom 3 місяці тому

      He parked his car on top of his head and if it weren't for the halo, Lewis may have suffered serious head injuries. To add insult to injury, he walked off and uttered "that's what you get!!" F all was done about it and got a slap in the wrist. Spare me your hypothetical shenanigans.

    • @dwightwiebers5021
      @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому +6

      @@MayorSom And what did Lewis do after he made sure Max hit the walls with 51G at Silverstone? Exactly: he waved his British flag like nothing happenend? Who has the hypothetical shenanigans now?

    • @Don-Royall
      @Don-Royall 3 місяці тому

      ​@@dwightwiebers5021notice how you brought nonsense to the convo.
      All he did was debunked the ridiculous claim of the OP

  • @BlauveltBurns
    @BlauveltBurns 3 місяці тому +8

    Lando could have a full on breakdown with his cat mentality

  • @stephan1958
    @stephan1958 3 місяці тому +9

    Baxti is such a Max hater 🤪 Max is a killer and he will do WHATEVER it takes to win! Just like all the greats before him 💪🏆

    • @1Pandemoonium
      @1Pandemoonium 3 місяці тому

      Definitely a killer doing whatever it takes to win when he divebombs to overtake

    • @Michael20z4
      @Michael20z4 3 місяці тому +3

      I mean all of them are British no surprise

    • @thegrandplay1780
      @thegrandplay1780 3 місяці тому

      ​@@1Pandemoonium Only frightened children see "divebombing" as a cheap alternative to overtaking. Theres always a counter to a divebomb, probably the easiest move to defend from. It’s an art to perfect slowing down a car with 3 car lengths less track than the car in front, using secondary lines to make sure no switchback is allowed. Killer, as in, He came, He saw, He conquered. The political and morally view only bothers pretentiously obtuse "fans" and crucially not the bank account and statistics of Max. The crying fans of the unlucky driver being manhendled by Max will never get their wish of seeing Max lose a war, best they can hope for is seeing him lose battles I.e individual races NOT a season

  • @Cameron-Cc
    @Cameron-Cc  3 місяці тому +9

    'Tis a curtailed Shakedown this week and for that I apologies. Technical difficulties!! Back next week, full length. Promise.

    • @jononioo2857
      @jononioo2857 3 місяці тому +1

      Oh the humanity! 😂

    • @Er32k
      @Er32k 3 місяці тому +1

      What are we dooiinnkkkk..😊😊

    • @harvhemp
      @harvhemp 3 місяці тому

      hey bud, imessaged you on facebook

  • @m12x12
    @m12x12 3 місяці тому +4

    Those seven points Lando could have had are the same as the seven (plus) points Lando already gave away this season with poor starts, fumbled tire choices, etc. Why pile the hypothetical seven point burden on Oscar's race win and Lando's devil or angel agonizing, and ignore all that preceded this race? If it comes down to losing championship by a point, it's not just this race that is determinative. That's an analysis you made very well yourself Cameron when you previously revisited the season-long backstory that led up to Lewis's loss in the final showdown in Abu Dhabi 2021.

    • @michaelcobbin
      @michaelcobbin 3 місяці тому +1

      For Lando to win the WDC, you could argue that Lando needs to win six more races. In the first 13 races in 2024, there have been seven different race winners. All seven of these races winning drivers can win the last 11 races. Add to fact, Max will most likely get another 4 more wins this year. After the Miami GP, Lando needed to constantly out score Max in order to have a shot at the 2024 WDC and it hasn’t happen.

    • @m12x12
      @m12x12 3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you.
      The whole narrative that blew up about those precious seven points really ground my gears. The media and content creator F1 universe seems dominated by recency bias and manufactured controversies.

    • @michaelcobbin
      @michaelcobbin 3 місяці тому +1

      @@m12x12 As Karun Chandhok pointed out, Kimi Raikkonen had the best come from behind performances to win the WDC in 2007. Using today’s point scoring system, Kimi was around 50 or so points down and won it by a single point. Before the Hungarian GP, Landon was more than 80 points behind, so there is no chance that Lando can catch Max. Over the last 5 races, Max has scored 20 more points than Lando. Red Bull will pull out all stops to get Max the WDC win, including replacing the out of form Checo with Danny Ric, after the summer break. Lando needed to have better race results after the Miami GP to have a chance wining the 2024 WDC.

    • @m12x12
      @m12x12 3 місяці тому

      I have the impression Max is happy with Checo in that 2nd seat even now - he has said Checo is the best teammate he has had. So while he may feel burdened by carrying the team and not having a "wingman" I'm not convinced he believes he needs anything but his own skill to win (and he may be correct). It would be interesting to see if Ricciardo is any better than Checo. I wonder how Red Bull GmbH would feel about losing US/Mexico drink sales and tens of millions in sponsorships from Carlos Slim et al.

  • @SavikujaTero
    @SavikujaTero 3 місяці тому +1

    Neither Piastri nor Norris complained the first team order when Norris got 1st place. I don't get the whole fuss after the team wanted to reverse the team order.

  • @GoatAdrian
    @GoatAdrian 3 місяці тому +3

    Max wants to be loved? Such a bad take

  • @Alexhunter-pr7fp
    @Alexhunter-pr7fp 3 місяці тому +5

    Who tf enters f1 to be loved ?😭😭😭

  • @harshvardhanswami718
    @harshvardhanswami718 3 місяці тому +4

    Gap between Norris and max is 80~ points in drivers if redbull don't find something in thier car will max be able to win drivers championship 🏆, I'm assuming constructor is gone to McLaren

  • @maconpatton
    @maconpatton 3 місяці тому +1

    If Norris had not followed team orders, where would this conversation be? Personally I think he would be called to the carpet by a lot of people. I put the blame on the team for making Lando look weak. I do hope, as Baxty said, that this is a one off situation. If McLaren is going to win both titles at some point, they can not afford to put their drivers in this situation.

  • @michaelcobbin
    @michaelcobbin 3 місяці тому +1

    Max better get used to losing because McLaren has the strongest car and Oscar is learning quickly and is focused on delivering the perfect race performance. Max will not be able to intimidate Oscar like can with Lewis and Lando, as Oscar remains cool and calm under pressure.

  • @michaelcobbin
    @michaelcobbin 3 місяці тому

    There is a podcast with Nico Rosberg that was uploaded to UA-cam about three months ago. A key discussion point was about following team orders and a key focus was on Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton battle for the 2016 WDC. Nico made clear that you need to follow team orders to keep the team happy and onside. Nico highlighted the fact that Lewis had to follow team orders when he knew that he was going to lose the 2016 WDC, as a result of it.
    The podcasters on this podcast are wrong in using Lewis Hamilton because Nico Rosberg can provide clear examples where Lewis and Nico swapped position, because the Mercedes team strategy was to use the faster car to win the race.
    Sebastian Vettel is a great example, within two years of not following team orders, he was no longer at the team. You can argue that Sebastian Vettel Doug dug his own grave at the team by not following team orders. Multi-21 year was the last year that Sebastian Vettel won a WDC.

  • @dwightwiebers5021
    @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому +1

    Baxtie, go listen to Peter Windsor's assesment on the communication between Max and GP. Go listen now please...

  • @JonathanvG-wj1ro
    @JonathanvG-wj1ro 3 місяці тому +2

    I am not giving my opinion on what is good or bad or acceptable, I am not familiar enough with the context to judge. There's a cultural elements that needs unpacking. F1's British cultural hegemony cultivated by dominated media sources does not square well with some of these behaviors. Have you seen how football players talk to their coach during a match, or cyclist during the Tour de France, or many other high stake sports where communication plays a role. No one would give a damn about this if it happened in many or sports. Or in a different culture. It is mostly the British that are outraged here, because it doesn't fit within British culture. Does it therefore make it unacceptable? Context matters.
    F1 and top sport is not a job in the sense that we know it and that we participate in on a day-to-day basis. Obviously that would be unacceptable. But do you think Max talks to GP like that in the office? No, of course not. You're not driving a car at that speed in a multi-million dollar and prestige winning and losing setting. Again context matters.

  • @vertigoz
    @vertigoz 3 місяці тому +1

    In all examples of previous greatests was there a case where the first place was handed to them this way?

  • @Robert1187
    @Robert1187 3 місяці тому

    They’re not! And that’s a fact. They’re a midfield team with a top team car, that’s as good as it gets for them.

  • @friskakalengkrupukfadillah3709
    @friskakalengkrupukfadillah3709 3 місяці тому +5

    That chubby one sounds so bias

  • @RodneyMorse-b2z
    @RodneyMorse-b2z 3 місяці тому

    Landon did the right thing BUT as a competitor you don't want to ever move over. That move over stuff never really existed until after 1994. Schu area... Drivers before that who wanted a championship ( That's all that mattered ) Mansell teammate Prost, Prost teammate to Senna, Ros teammate Ham, Alonso teammate Ham. Problem is too many number 2 drivers and not enough number one driver mentality. If Oscar never moved over for Landon, That Lando Let him buy discussion would not have even taken place. For Landonto not let him by, Landon has to believe that he is fast enough to not have Oscar help him at ANY point.

  • @RobThompson-y9s
    @RobThompson-y9s 3 місяці тому

    McLarens pleading on the radio with Lando was a pathetic look for McLaren

  • @danajohnson6794
    @danajohnson6794 3 місяці тому

    Just watched the race and I am over Sky Sports, they are ruining F1 with their British Bias. We just had the championship leaders battling for the final 15 laps in DRS range and they didn’t even show it, at all!

  • @josephpatrick8407
    @josephpatrick8407 3 місяці тому

    In the hood, we would say, Lando got get some mean! Now way a championship driver gives that place back, unless he agrees to do it before hand and knows he has the championship well in hand. Circa 2017 Hungarian GP! Even with that, to give up a win. There's no way!

  • @pietermoorer3679
    @pietermoorer3679 3 місяці тому +2

    The guy in the black shirt should get out more, into the real world. He is biased over Verstappen, talking about the old guys never shouted at their engineers. No, their where no radio like nowadays so you can't compare.
    And Max was right, give away the undercut twice where they where totally of at the wall when it comes to overtaking.
    It was a team mistake. It is Max that can lose a title, not them. They are just part of the team. Max is in the car, correcting their mistakes, not the other way around.
    Thumbs down because of him and his biased talking.

    • @outlawf1272
      @outlawf1272 3 місяці тому +1

      Baxty doing baxty things, like always. Can only laugh about it and don't take him seriously. Agree with you.

  • @waterfrontandfalls
    @waterfrontandfalls 3 місяці тому

    Hey Cameron I thought you did you tube full time. Do you still work elsewhere? What field do you work in? Also is this part 1 of the podcast?

  • @Bohonk212
    @Bohonk212 3 місяці тому

    If their main concern is the constructor's Championship why did it matter what their 1-2 order was? 1-2 gets the same points as 2-1.

    • @thegrandplay1780
      @thegrandplay1780 3 місяці тому

      To undo their(Mclarens) interfernce of the two cars' original positioning on track

    • @Bohonk212
      @Bohonk212 3 місяці тому

      @@thegrandplay1780 That's just part of racing. It was the TEAM that did that so the TEAM are the ones who should lose their place. NOT Lando.

  • @RodneyMorse-b2z
    @RodneyMorse-b2z 3 місяці тому +1

    Yes! Yes !!! Max believes RB is winning because of him ( THAT'S TRUE ) because bRB refuses to place another fast driver in the other car as a teammate. That's why that number 1 driver and number 2 driver is crap. It creates this false narrative by hat the team can't win without you, and that would not exist with 2 number 1 drivers.

  • @eddymoretti3742
    @eddymoretti3742 3 місяці тому +4

    Someone on Jolyon Palmer’s video left a great comment: “McLaren have the fastest car, the two best drivers, and Benny Hill as strategist.”

  • @paul-morgan
    @paul-morgan 3 місяці тому

    ‘Lando can say to Oscar you won because of me…’ - Smooth brain comment of the day. 😂

  • @anitagreter6820
    @anitagreter6820 3 місяці тому

    I found the psychological warfare from his race engineer/ team disturbing. They were talking constantly about the consequences if he refuses to do their bidding. Why o why

  • @johnmclaren3908
    @johnmclaren3908 3 місяці тому

    Lando only did it because he was Oscar’s first win. I don’t think he does it again.

  • @dariussatius1621
    @dariussatius1621 3 місяці тому

    No true racer gives up the position, simply because this was a team f-ck up. Why should I give up points when I didn't even cause the situation

  • @RodneyMorse-b2z
    @RodneyMorse-b2z 3 місяці тому +1

    Landon will need Oscar to win, like Max needed Perez for his 1st, Ham need Bo etc. if your teammate is slow and your in an absolute dominant car then no, you don't need it. Your teammate to help you. But if your teammate is fast and your car is not absolute dominant, then at some time you will need your teammate to help you win, even move over and give you a win.

  • @dorianjames9021
    @dorianjames9021 3 місяці тому

    Maybe the threats unnerved him??
    They were threatening his seat ,in so many words,right???

  • @dannydewritosf.c930
    @dannydewritosf.c930 3 місяці тому +2

    OH THE HUMANITY!!!!! 😮😮😮

  • @jj4429
    @jj4429 3 місяці тому

    Where is the rest ?

  • @jononioo2857
    @jononioo2857 3 місяці тому +1

    For the Algo!

    • @Cameron-Cc
      @Cameron-Cc  3 місяці тому +1

      Let's do Jono!

    • @jononioo2857
      @jononioo2857 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Cameron-Cc I'm excited for this weekend! LFGooooo!

  • @maconpatton
    @maconpatton 3 місяці тому

    These drivers are paid to drive & I believe there are certain standards come with the paycheck. Cussing out your team mates, especially your engineer for the world to hear is over that line.

    • @dwightwiebers5021
      @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому +2

      Says who? It's not a rule, it's not a law, it's even not a gentlemens agreement. So what are you talking about?

    • @thegrandplay1780
      @thegrandplay1780 3 місяці тому +1

      You lost me at "for the world to hear". They dont speak in consideration of Twitter backlash, they speak in the name of results and every stern/aggressive communication you hear broadcasted is, to both GP and Max's knowledge, in a professional environment and therefore not a personal thing. They're "in character". Dont project your office know/how onto the F1 world please

    • @maconpatton
      @maconpatton 3 місяці тому

      @@thegrandplay1780 Radios are broadcast. I simply have an opinion. Feel free to disagree

    • @maconpatton
      @maconpatton 3 місяці тому

      @@dwightwiebers5021 Its a discussion.

    • @dwightwiebers5021
      @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому

      @@maconpattonFirst and foremost the radio messages are meant for the teams to communicate with their drivers. The FIA decided to make it a broadcast, so they themselves can choose no to broadcast the messages if they are not to their liking. It's pretty simple...

  • @darrellborder8555
    @darrellborder8555 3 місяці тому

    Sorry not sorry…racing is taking a back seat to team politics and $$$$$$$. Let the drivers race. In all fairness…teams are scared that their strategy isn’t fool proof. RBR, MB, McL are all guilty of effing 2nd drivers.

  • @anoopbains1257
    @anoopbains1257 3 місяці тому

    Oh the humanity

  • @TDG_98
    @TDG_98 3 місяці тому

    The best F1 podcast out there, you guys are brilliant, completely agree on both the Norris and verstappen discourse, as a max fan as much as I love lando whilst they both have equalish machinery I don't think he's a true threat to Max until he changes his mentality

    • @Cameron-Cc
      @Cameron-Cc  3 місяці тому

      Too kind. We appreciate you

  • @b29ak2007
    @b29ak2007 3 місяці тому

    BETTER late than never...

    • @Cameron-Cc
      @Cameron-Cc  3 місяці тому +2

      Shortened episode. I'm so sorry. It was the best one we've done as well, but I messed the sound up! 😭😭😭😭

    • @b29ak2007
      @b29ak2007 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Cameron-Cc Dont worry about issues... they happen all the time
      And never apologise to anyone ever (i thought that was your thing.... AKA the connor line)
      Also thanks for what you have given us... we appreicate it
      That being said...how badly did you mess the sound up...

  • @anoopbains1257
    @anoopbains1257 3 місяці тому +1

    Crymax Crashtappen

    • @dwightwiebers5021
      @dwightwiebers5021 3 місяці тому +1

      Wow, that's all you could think of? Great job 👍

    • @outlawf1272
      @outlawf1272 3 місяці тому

      Oh no . ...... Anyway 😇

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo 3 місяці тому

    Nice guys don’t win championships.

    • @SavikujaTero
      @SavikujaTero 3 місяці тому +1

      Mika Häkkinen, Kimi Räikkönen, Alain Prost, Jenson Button...

    • @m12x12
      @m12x12 3 місяці тому

      ​@@SavikujaTero Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, even James Hunt...

  • @petekambe3279
    @petekambe3279 3 місяці тому

    Lewis had a classy response. Why don't you match him Cameron?

    • @Cameron-Cc
      @Cameron-Cc  3 місяці тому

      Deliberate irony. Quite brilliant