@@unl3ash3d95 Skipper is nowhere near as bad as Saltspray. It was still a solid B tier in Zones and Clams in Splat 2 and had strengths. Saltspray was so much worse.
@@stanley8006Literally. The game promotes chaos but ends up being the softest and calmest game out of the three. Even the community too. It’s literally to the point that ppl are currently having a temper tantrum abt some random artist who had ONE SINGULAR splatlands post taken down by Nintendo for self promotion (yes, they’re ACTUALLY acting like this is a big deal 🤦). It truly is a spectacle to behold.
I didn't really play ranked in splatoon 1 but this was an amazing turf war map I wouldn't even mind if this wasn't in the game fully and just a tricolor map Atleast then it would only be turf war and it would be put into private battles once the life cycle of splat3 is gone just like the shifty station stages
I do kind of miss saltspray rig, it was so weird and fun in turf war. I didn't do much ranked back then, I only have memories of Tower Control being pain.
Saltspray Rig was SO FUN to jump into the mid chokepoint with a 96 gal and just Gandalf for as long as possible. YOU SHALL NOT PASS. I miss this map so much
As a splat 1 player, I loved saltspray rig in terms of astetic and how unique it was. I just miss it and I would absolutely love it if it returns in this fashion. It's perfect!
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE THINKS SALTSPRAY WOULD BE AN AMAZING SALMON RUN MAP!! it'd make great sense lore-wise too! it could be that the oil the rig was collecting dried up/they closed it due to environmental concerns, so it was abandoned during splatoon 2's timeframe and the salmonids took it over. just add some giant food skewers and make it look dingier and it's perfect
would be really cool to introduce it as a big run map and then use that to explain the renovations for the multiplayer one since it had to be "fixed" after the chaos of big run
This combo is so fun as a map creator and I hope you guys have fun with this series as much as I am watching it. Although I think it would be a cool idea for y'all to have a map creation contest and the coolest winners get to have theirs shown in a video would be nice.
I have a theory that the devs might have made very basic maps due to the scope of side order and not wanting to push the remaining team members too harshly. If this is in fact the case, it Hopefully means that after the dlc drops there will be a greater focus on improving the base game. We have to be hopeful for reworks but we’ll see I suppose.
I miss Saltspray Rig. Sure, it could be infuriating sometimes, but it was just a fun casual map! I have such fond memories of back in ye olde Splatoon 1 days, before people got super into the competitive aspect, where rollers would roll over anyone on those narrow walkways and inkzookas would sit on the crane for long range tornado chaos. Good times!
With How The Salmon Run Version Has A Basket For Each Tide Height, I Think This Should Have A Special "Super Tornado" Wave. Where Both The Low AND Mid-Tide Baskets Are Covered By Boulders, And All Golden Eggs Are TRIPLED. The Regular Tornado Waves Would Still Happen In Conjunction With The Super Tornado Waves, But This Would Make This Map Even More Special (Also IMAGINE The Potential Eggstra Work Scores)
I love the Salmon Run layout, but there's a few thing that don't work - mainly, hightide Mudmouths and Goldie Seeking, along with Mudmouths mid-tide feeling extremely crowded! I think the hightide basket you set up would work better at mid AND high tides, along with moving some of the manholes for MM/GS up to the top of the basket. Should help with crowding in your mid tide and help tie the map together as fitting in with the other preexisting Salmon Run maps a lot better :)
fun fact, the wall where the elevators are is actually inkable except for the hazard tape, making it a pretty good squid surge spot eh if the map comes back they'll probably make it uninkable anyway, nice job with the redesign and the salmon run variant looks like a lot of fun but where are the extra cranes lol
Fun fact: Salmonids already jump at the player if they go a certain number of game ticks without being able to reach a player via pathfinding. I've had a Cohock jump up and knock me off a Fishstick Tower before.
I had a dream like a year ago that I was playing Saltspray but they added a whole bunch of paths everywhere. Similar to the narrow paths in the middle of the stage. There was a ton of them and they led to all over the stage and you could jump from path to path. It was really fun and eversince I've wished we've had a map like that.
I think for splatzones as awful as it would be, having a zone in the bottom box (with added cover) and a zone in the top box needing a split front would be a interesting wrench into the normal splatzone plans needing higher mobility
Came as soon as I saw the notification I love your videos Also yea I remember this map, loved it in turf war/casual and I hardly ever played ranked back in splatoon 1 XD but the few times I did I sometimes got this and didn’t like it. I love your fixing map videos it’s so fun to watch and very creative.
Yeah kinda, but only because Splatoon 3 barely makes any use of the mechanic, because the way the maps are designed makes the new respawning nearly pointless when it could have been a lot more useful.
I spent so much time on Rig through 1v1ing my brother in battle dojo by having infinite overtime, was a lot of fun. Definitely has issues in proper matches though. Nice rework and making it a sr stage would be amazing! Skipper is definitely better, would also love to see an overview of that one shifty station
Here’s a fun way to rework rainmaker: have the rainmaker start on the bottom platform, have the two teams race to the checkpoint in the middle section, and then finish the game in the big area. It could be way more fun considering the only rainmaker strategy is to get it into the other teams base and it’ll be the only rainmaker stage with this king of the hill style approach. Competitive, absolutely not. But it could be tons of fun.
I would change the high tide for Salmon Run but despite that, all your works was amazing! I really likes your ideas and more the Salmon Run ones. The map looks good on both, There is no was Nintendo make this map worst than the original.... No like the other 2 jajajajaja
With the continued lack of good map design, I'm guessing when and if this stage returns, it'll either have almost 0 changes save for some inexplicably removed cover Or They'll just remove the top and bottom sections
I have fond memories of Saltspray from back in the day, mostly for the crane and how fun it was to paint the narrow paths with a roller. God help you if you were on the losing side though. Fortunately I frequently got lucky on which side I’d spawn from when playing this stage. I was significantly less lucky regarding Walleye Warehouse; getting boxed by the other team in Splatoon 1 Walleye was NOT fun.
"Right's Ides Peaking" is a myth fabricated by big splattershot to keep themselves in the meta but seriously, very interesting vid. i'll always argue saltspray isn't the worst map in the series, partially out of contrarianism but also since splatoon 3's threatening us with just how much worse things could be lmfao saltspray had some solid option*s*, plural, which made it feel really nice to take fights in. when the planets align and you don't have ranked cheese or lockouts staring you down it's some of the most fun i've ever had with a splatoon map ngl the differences in s3 would help it a ton just out of the gate i think; the tiny spawns would NEED to be widened to fit the new spawn system making them more like airstrips, inkrails and sponges are now commonplace in stages and could remedy a lot of the one-way drops, maybe revise the bunker geometry too to remove some of the really cheesy peeks and the conditional rules that ranked modes have now would let the flow of a match be directed wayyy more fairly. like, imagine if the rainmaker checkpoints were on either side of the lower area and you had to perform a giant K-turn to pull the rain out and get it to the goal. probably easier said than done but that'd be amazing imo the spawns being in the bottom corners is too major a characteristic to mess with but otherwise i am fully on board with that rework. adding upper routes that go from the bunkers to the border of the shipment area is so simple but it'd be SO good for the map very good ideas, once again hoping the speculation pays off o7
As he said in the intro this is one of the most liked and popular maps when it comes to casual play and turf war. It would probably top popularity polls. Don't feel bad for liking it. That said it is obviously very bad for competitive play and it was quickly removed from competitive play by Nintendo since the map varriants were kind of scuffed to say the least
Omg I love this new layout I really hope this happens though it most likely won't. That salmon run layout is really good too. If it comes back like this, I will cry with happiness
Of course, nintendo won't do anything like this. They don't care that their maps are actively killing the game's fun for everyone too. Which is painful.
It's interesting that from looking at the comments, this map was actually kinda fun to play in casual turf war, meanwhile it was one of the worst in ranked modes,.. I wonder how many other stages are there that are like this, better at being a Turf War map than one or any of the other Ranked modes such as Tower control, Rainmaker, Clams and Zones.
It'd probably top the list of most liked turf war maps and maps for casual play in general. If you were there back then you would know everyone LOVED this map. That said it did not work in ranked more obviously
I never played the first Splatoon so I have no direct experience with Saltspray Rig, but having both tangentially and, as of Splatoon 3, directly experienced the series, it's gameplay, and understanding the issues poor stage design can have, I can see in retrospect just how awful Saltspray's design was. All that being said though, *_WOW_* is this a fantastic redesign of the stage! It actually looks much more balanced and fun than it's original counterpart, and, as someone who plays a ton of Salmon Run, a SR version of this stage also sounds very fun.
The rework that keeps Saltspray Rig's crane is something I wanted to have when it gets ported in another Splatoon game. Remove many things (mostly being Saltspray Rig's competitive and casual flaws in map design), but not one of the most fun and memorable hazards of the map, the Crane.
I remember when the tower path was even worse, starting at the bottom of mid near the elevators. If you thought Blackbelly RM was bad, old Saltspray TC was a free KO for the team that won the first fight with no contest.
I honestly LOVE Saltspray Rig the way it was and don’t think it needs to be reworked. It’s already better than most of Splatoon 3 and, with the old Ink Missile special, you could literally hit anywhere on the map with your Wii U Pad. That made the big square at the top the easiest place to take over to win.
Knew it was Salty spray before clicking on. My friend & I did not take this one seriously when we played like it's interesting in turf war, I've had a lot of fun on it in turf war but splat zones is HELL! Not playing a charger? You're not playing, sorry. We had our nights where we'd drink while on a Skype/Discord call (2016 is when we officially switched over to Discord) & since we were drinking, we typically stuck to turf war to be respectful because we got really stupid on these nights. It was usually after I had a stressful day at work since I was working at an after school center at the time. Whenever Saltspray Rig was in rotation for splat zones, we'd be like, "want to constantly get splatted over & over by chargers while on the cider?" Of which yes, it is more funny than frustrating when you go in knowing what will happen & you've had a little bit to drink. I'm in my 30's now btw, don't worry, I was old enough at the time & my friend is even older than me. I hate this map but I also love it, had some of the best & worst of times on it. Love the reworked map, it gives multiple routes that work, I love multiple paths & that's a positive with that stage for me but I always felt as though I could easily get locked out of playing so I have been a little salty on the structure of it because it's fun in its design which is what I like but I've had so many unplayable matches on it. One thing I've done is played N-Zap 89 on the stage & focused on getting my sprinkler up on the moving crane grate thingy & then go off, getting my ink strikes so I could defend that middle area without being in it. Unsure if it's like this for others but it was always easier for me to pay attention to the map when it was on the game pad, I struggle these days to look at it because it takes up your screen & you need to see what's going on & with the game pad, I could pay attention to the screen & the map at the same time but I think that's just a me problem. I had no issue with seeing if the opposing team were making their way to the crates back there so I was like, gonna pop an ink strike there & continue on my merry way. Sometimes when I was playing a different weapon on the stage, I'd go with something that has seekers, my personal favorite sub. In turf war, I'd typically ink up that entire back crate area & then defend it by sticking at the one area you can get into it from & launching seekers at people. This is one of the few times my aggressive side came out, I use to be a more passive player although one thing I love about seekers is that they did the work for me. If they happened to bring Saltspray Rig back in with a similar look to the redesign shown, I could do the same thing but with autobombs & hey, means I can play the N-Zap 89 for that, kinda funny how my favorite main weapon from the first game ended up with my favorite sub from the second game, I just didn't like the special in the second because it felt too broken, I even have a clip on my switch from splatfest on Moray Towers where & totally wiped out the other team because three of them were making their way up our side of the tower & I was going up their side, got my special, launched missiles over to the three on our end & got them all, then got the one guy defending their side with my N-Zap so yeah, was NOT a fan of it in the second game & it's partially why I only have like 300 hours dedicated to 2 when I bought it on launch. I have already exceeded that in 3 so it's clear how I felt about 2. N-Zap 89 is about exactly how I like it in 3 & I'd be super excited about bringing that onto a newly redesigned Saltspray Rig.
thank you for making this video. I have wanted salt spray rig to come back for a very long time now. But the second I say that people have a tendency of ignoring the fact that it can be changed to not have the same type of lay out.I mean mahi mahi is completely different I don't see why they can't do that for this stage as well (only try to make it good).I love this stage aesthetically but I think it would be nicer with a Fresh coat of paint If it were truly up to me though I would have it come back as a Big Run stage 1st then after the event it would be available in regular modes. Literally taking back the stage from the salmon
Okay cool idea: they introduce Saltspray Rig _as a Big Run_ and then the Salmonids _win_ which "turns it into a salmon run stage" even though it wasn't non-salmon-run to begin with.
Here’s how I would fix the map in the thumbnail: make it do that the walls all around the map can be climbed by the other team in some way shape or form, be it sponges, or inkable walls, or whatever works. Basically what we want to do is keep the backliners guessing where the enemy will be and not just watching the same angle.
as bad as saltspray was, it was one of my favourites back in the splat 1 days, i really hope it comes back in some way, that salmon run version looks amazing too
I may be wrong, but I don't even think anything special would have to be done for the crates on the Salmon Run variant. I believe if all active players are somewhere Salmonids can't walk to, like on a fish stick, lesser Salmonids will start climbing the walls. In fact, Saltspray high tide would be a great way to show off this wall climbing since its usually very rare.
For the elevators - why not just make them fan operated? I think we all - casual and competitive - want more single player mode features in maps, and fan operated moving platforms are a single player mode feature that used to be on some PvP maps that S3 doesn't currently have.
I have a spreadsheet for my thoughts on Big Run variations of stages, and previously, it was sat at E. Due to this video, I'm gonna have to rethink it over. Probably gonna go to an A, A- minimum.
Saltspray was honestly my favorite in the first game just because of the layout and the elevators If they reworked it a bit or made it a salmon run or tricolor map I’d be so hype if this came back But not in the same Tetris layout all the others are 😩
Literally everything about these theoretical changes filled me with hype like this map was actually coming back; I lowkey miss Saltspray so seeing how it could be improved fills me with immense joy lmao.
Um'ami ruins, undertow, and brinewater are great maps. You guys seem to have problems if some says this game has great maps and you all act like jerks about defend yourselves with "I want Nintendo to do better" Nintendo didn't make this game for hard core gamers to ne a esports even if this game has a really big esports scene with a lot of events and has a pretty good price pole
@@Kit_splat I'm calling them great because I think their great your in the middle of my opinion. Can the gaslighting it's like your saying "your not allowed to have a opinion on maps"
Nintendo has saying how the game is designed I love these maps and the game is growing and getting better. If prochara wad in charge he would make the maps better and the weapons worse and have more umbrellas brushes and rollers these weapons do make splatoon stand out but it's still a shooter so their has to be guns rapid fire, shot gun pistols, chargers, and duelies. Can this community let people love maps even if it's a guilty pleasure this games community is less toxic and less annoying then smash but it's picking up a very similar behavior.
Always fun to collab! Thanks for having me on!
awesome video
We gotta boost this comment lmao
@@pasta_boi8266 very awesome indeed.🗿👍
@@ruccsacc gah dayum you found me🗿👍🗿👍🗿👍
Saltspray as a Salmon Run map is genius. Imagine, everyone hated it so much it became abandoned. 💀
Imagine holding back waves on the actual rigging.
Having an oil rig suddenly become overun with salmonids also sounds absolutely accurate
Would also be good playtesting for multiplayer if they were to bring it back.
I'd be totally down for Saltspray as a Salmon Run map more then a Multiplayer map.
@@Ariaresortandcasinobro acting like we in splatoon 2 still 💀💀💀
Now that I realize Saltspray Rig's flaws, I can see Skipper Pavilion being an improvement over Saltspray Rig as a bilateral symmetric stage
The only awkward thing of Skipper is some of the map mode jank, like being able to do a rainmaker jump to skip half the stage
Fr skipper was an attempt at being like the second version of salt spray but that stage is just as bad and I hope it never returns
@@unl3ash3d95 Skipper is nowhere near as bad as Saltspray. It was still a solid B tier in Zones and Clams in Splat 2 and had strengths. Saltspray was so much worse.
@@Cheshire_Bayo yeah I was over exaggerating a bit but I still do believe it was the worse stage in that game
Skipper Pavilion still sucks though - they shouldn't even consider bringing it back.
Man, just those elevators alone are something a Splatoon 3 stage would NEVER attempt.
Splatoon 3 maps are so sterile, like everything that could be considered cool wasn’t done or used
Yes. Splatoon 3 maps are the blandest, most infuriatingly restrictive and boring maps in the series
They even made Mahi's gimmick to just make the map half bearable 💀
@@pickle24 That the "City of Chaos" for you 😑
@@stanley8006Literally. The game promotes chaos but ends up being the softest and calmest game out of the three. Even the community too. It’s literally to the point that ppl are currently having a temper tantrum abt some random artist who had ONE SINGULAR splatlands post taken down by Nintendo for self promotion (yes, they’re ACTUALLY acting like this is a big deal 🤦). It truly is a spectacle to behold.
I didn't really play ranked in splatoon 1 but this was an amazing turf war map
I wouldn't even mind if this wasn't in the game fully and just a tricolor map
Atleast then it would only be turf war and it would be put into private battles once the life cycle of splat3 is gone just like the shifty station stages
This is actually a genius idea, with some rework of course.
Storming the beaches of Normandy was easier than taking the top of Saltspray in ranked
God, the salmon run layout looks so fun to play on.
I do kind of miss saltspray rig, it was so weird and fun in turf war. I didn't do much ranked back then, I only have memories of Tower Control being pain.
Saltspray Rig was SO FUN to jump into the mid chokepoint with a 96 gal and just Gandalf for as long as possible. YOU SHALL NOT PASS. I miss this map so much
As a splat 1 player, I loved saltspray rig in terms of astetic and how unique it was. I just miss it and I would absolutely love it if it returns in this fashion. It's perfect!
IM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE THINKS SALTSPRAY WOULD BE AN AMAZING SALMON RUN MAP!! it'd make great sense lore-wise too! it could be that the oil the rig was collecting dried up/they closed it due to environmental concerns, so it was abandoned during splatoon 2's timeframe and the salmonids took it over. just add some giant food skewers and make it look dingier and it's perfect
would be really cool to introduce it as a big run map and then use that to explain the renovations for the multiplayer one since it had to be "fixed" after the chaos of big run
This combo is so fun as a map creator and I hope you guys have fun with this series as much as I am watching it.
Although I think it would be a cool idea for y'all to have a map creation contest and the coolest winners get to have theirs shown in a video would be nice.
I have a theory that the devs might have made very basic maps due to the scope of side order and not wanting to push the remaining team members too harshly. If this is in fact the case, it Hopefully means that after the dlc drops there will be a greater focus on improving the base game. We have to be hopeful for reworks but we’ll see I suppose.
I miss Saltspray Rig. Sure, it could be infuriating sometimes, but it was just a fun casual map! I have such fond memories of back in ye olde Splatoon 1 days, before people got super into the competitive aspect, where rollers would roll over anyone on those narrow walkways and inkzookas would sit on the crane for long range tornado chaos. Good times!
Watching this makes me wish this stage was actually in the game now, it would be so fun on Clam Blitz and could not work more perfectly for Big Run
With How The Salmon Run Version Has A Basket For Each Tide Height, I Think This Should Have A Special "Super Tornado" Wave. Where Both The Low AND Mid-Tide Baskets Are Covered By Boulders, And All Golden Eggs Are TRIPLED. The Regular Tornado Waves Would Still Happen In Conjunction With The Super Tornado Waves, But This Would Make This Map Even More Special (Also IMAGINE The Potential Eggstra Work Scores)
That’s really smart
The real question is : Is it possible that we will see Saltspray Rig in Splatoon 3?
Maybe I sure hope so I really liked the aesthetic of the stage but it should improve before comming back
Honestly I hope not, because knowing the devs they wouldn't make it good
It's one of the three S1 maps not in S2 or S3, and there will be three more S1 maps added to S3. Obviously it will
Peakspray rig sweep
It's never coming back. They will probably turn it into a SR stage in Splatoon 4/Splatoon 3 DX
That Saltspray S3 PvP layout genuinely gave me chills. I WISH we’d get a stage that good.
the salmon run portion just made me more invested in these stage ideas,,
please let this stage come back!!
Hoping for better maps in sizzle season
Mugen!!!
Lol hi
Team Mugen lol
Now we just need our non existent 4th here
@@Ariaresortandcasino honestly I liked the concept it was just designed terribly
Video 128 of commenting on Chara videos till brella gets fixed
This is my favorite map in the whole series. Whether it's for PvP or even just Salmon Run, I want them to bring it back so badly.
I love the Salmon Run layout, but there's a few thing that don't work - mainly, hightide Mudmouths and Goldie Seeking, along with Mudmouths mid-tide feeling extremely crowded! I think the hightide basket you set up would work better at mid AND high tides, along with moving some of the manholes for MM/GS up to the top of the basket. Should help with crowding in your mid tide and help tie the map together as fitting in with the other preexisting Salmon Run maps a lot better :)
Oh yeah I remember playing on this stage at a friend's house, it's so weird but also rlly cool tbh!
fun fact, the wall where the elevators are is actually inkable except for the hazard tape, making it a pretty good squid surge spot
eh if the map comes back they'll probably make it uninkable anyway, nice job with the redesign and the salmon run variant looks like a lot of fun
but where are the extra cranes lol
Fun fact: Salmonids already jump at the player if they go a certain number of game ticks without being able to reach a player via pathfinding. I've had a Cohock jump up and knock me off a Fishstick Tower before.
I had a dream like a year ago that I was playing Saltspray but they added a whole bunch of paths everywhere. Similar to the narrow paths in the middle of the stage. There was a ton of them and they led to all over the stage and you could jump from path to path. It was really fun and eversince I've wished we've had a map like that.
I think for splatzones as awful as it would be, having a zone in the bottom box (with added cover) and a zone in the top box needing a split front would be a interesting wrench into the normal splatzone plans needing higher mobility
Regarding the elevators, I think it would be more intuitive to stick propellers on them to run with the proposed lifting pattern.
I never realized how many flaws saltspray had, it was a fun map but the rework is really cool
Came as soon as I saw the notification I love your videos
Also yea I remember this map, loved it in turf war/casual and I hardly ever played ranked back in splatoon 1 XD but the few times I did I sometimes got this and didn’t like it. I love your fixing map videos it’s so fun to watch and very creative.
glad to know im not alone on wanting the spawns on the side
that salmon run layout looks like so much fun! though hightide gusher would probably be too easy
Honestly tbf in gone fission its also very easy lol
WAIT BIPEDAL SQUID PREDICTED THE BLUEFIN ELEVATORS WHAT A W!!!!
While Splatoon 1 Saltspray Rig is a bit unsuitable for the ranked modes I do like how vast it feels and how many sections it has.
I love that when i was a kid this was my favourite map in splatoon 1
Two words. Tricolour. Saltspray.
Am I the only one who prefers the one spawning region instead of flying out of coffee machines?
I'm with you.
For why??
Aesthetically, yeah I agree. But lore wise I think its adorable that the squids repurposed coffee machines to heat their ink and respawn lol
@@olivialanc9035 what about during gameplay ??
Yeah kinda, but only because Splatoon 3 barely makes any use of the mechanic, because the way the maps are designed makes the new respawning nearly pointless when it could have been a lot more useful.
The middle of that rework really said 😮
Was really hoping someone would point that out lmao
Saw the bipedal squid video aswell, worth the wait!
Ah, Saltspray Rig. Squid rolling off into the low ground sounds so much fun.
I honestly forgot the shipment area existed.
I spent so much time on Rig through 1v1ing my brother in battle dojo by having infinite overtime, was a lot of fun. Definitely has issues in proper matches though. Nice rework and making it a sr stage would be amazing!
Skipper is definitely better, would also love to see an overview of that one shifty station
Here’s a fun way to rework rainmaker: have the rainmaker start on the bottom platform, have the two teams race to the checkpoint in the middle section, and then finish the game in the big area. It could be way more fun considering the only rainmaker strategy is to get it into the other teams base and it’ll be the only rainmaker stage with this king of the hill style approach. Competitive, absolutely not. But it could be tons of fun.
I can't wait for the hour long Dynamo Roller guide that will definitely happen!
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I would change the high tide for Salmon Run but despite that, all your works was amazing! I really likes your ideas and more the Salmon Run ones. The map looks good on both, There is no was Nintendo make this map worst than the original.... No like the other 2 jajajajaja
With the continued lack of good map design, I'm guessing when and if this stage returns, it'll either have almost 0 changes save for some inexplicably removed cover
Or
They'll just remove the top and bottom sections
It ain't Big Run anymore
_Now its Rig Run_
I have fond memories of Saltspray from back in the day, mostly for the crane and how fun it was to paint the narrow paths with a roller.
God help you if you were on the losing side though. Fortunately I frequently got lucky on which side I’d spawn from when playing this stage. I was significantly less lucky regarding Walleye Warehouse; getting boxed by the other team in Splatoon 1 Walleye was NOT fun.
"Right's Ides Peaking" is a myth fabricated by big splattershot to keep themselves in the meta
but seriously, very interesting vid. i'll always argue saltspray isn't the worst map in the series, partially out of contrarianism but also since splatoon 3's threatening us with just how much worse things could be lmfao
saltspray had some solid option*s*, plural, which made it feel really nice to take fights in. when the planets align and you don't have ranked cheese or lockouts staring you down it's some of the most fun i've ever had with a splatoon map ngl
the differences in s3 would help it a ton just out of the gate i think; the tiny spawns would NEED to be widened to fit the new spawn system making them more like airstrips, inkrails and sponges are now commonplace in stages and could remedy a lot of the one-way drops, maybe revise the bunker geometry too to remove some of the really cheesy peeks
and the conditional rules that ranked modes have now would let the flow of a match be directed wayyy more fairly. like, imagine if the rainmaker checkpoints were on either side of the lower area and you had to perform a giant K-turn to pull the rain out and get it to the goal. probably easier said than done but that'd be amazing
imo the spawns being in the bottom corners is too major a characteristic to mess with but otherwise i am fully on board with that rework. adding upper routes that go from the bunkers to the border of the shipment area is so simple but it'd be SO good for the map
very good ideas, once again hoping the speculation pays off o7
It's my headcanon saltspray wasn't meant to be a place for turf war but just ended up being one
I remember this being one of the most iconic and memorable stages, and one i had a lot of fun on!
But yeah. Uh. Its clearly very flawed
As he said in the intro this is one of the most liked and popular maps when it comes to casual play and turf war. It would probably top popularity polls. Don't feel bad for liking it. That said it is obviously very bad for competitive play and it was quickly removed from competitive play by Nintendo since the map varriants were kind of scuffed to say the least
holy shit the multiplayer rework is like the best splatoon map ive ever seen. so many goddamn flanks and interesting movement options...
Omg I love this new layout I really hope this happens though it most likely won't. That salmon run layout is really good too. If it comes back like this, I will cry with happiness
the elevators could just be reworked with a fan to shoot to make it rise like that salmon run map
Of course, nintendo won't do anything like this. They don't care that their maps are actively killing the game's fun for everyone too. Which is painful.
It's interesting that from looking at the comments, this map was actually kinda fun to play in casual turf war, meanwhile it was one of the worst in ranked modes,.. I wonder how many other stages are there that are like this, better at being a Turf War map than one or any of the other Ranked modes such as Tower control, Rainmaker, Clams and Zones.
It'd probably top the list of most liked turf war maps and maps for casual play in general. If you were there back then you would know everyone LOVED this map. That said it did not work in ranked more obviously
bipedal squid and Chara is like 2 gods of Splatoon map design coming together. We love to see it!
I never played the first Splatoon so I have no direct experience with Saltspray Rig, but having both tangentially and, as of Splatoon 3, directly experienced the series, it's gameplay, and understanding the issues poor stage design can have, I can see in retrospect just how awful Saltspray's design was. All that being said though, *_WOW_* is this a fantastic redesign of the stage! It actually looks much more balanced and fun than it's original counterpart, and, as someone who plays a ton of Salmon Run, a SR version of this stage also sounds very fun.
The rework that keeps Saltspray Rig's crane is something I wanted to have when it gets ported in another Splatoon game. Remove many things (mostly being Saltspray Rig's competitive and casual flaws in map design), but not one of the most fun and memorable hazards of the map, the Crane.
I remember when the tower path was even worse, starting at the bottom of mid near the elevators. If you thought Blackbelly RM was bad, old Saltspray TC was a free KO for the team that won the first fight with no contest.
I honestly LOVE Saltspray Rig the way it was and don’t think it needs to be reworked. It’s already better than most of Splatoon 3 and, with the old Ink Missile special, you could literally hit anywhere on the map with your Wii U Pad. That made the big square at the top the easiest place to take over to win.
Knew it was Salty spray before clicking on. My friend & I did not take this one seriously when we played like it's interesting in turf war, I've had a lot of fun on it in turf war but splat zones is HELL! Not playing a charger? You're not playing, sorry. We had our nights where we'd drink while on a Skype/Discord call (2016 is when we officially switched over to Discord) & since we were drinking, we typically stuck to turf war to be respectful because we got really stupid on these nights. It was usually after I had a stressful day at work since I was working at an after school center at the time. Whenever Saltspray Rig was in rotation for splat zones, we'd be like, "want to constantly get splatted over & over by chargers while on the cider?" Of which yes, it is more funny than frustrating when you go in knowing what will happen & you've had a little bit to drink. I'm in my 30's now btw, don't worry, I was old enough at the time & my friend is even older than me. I hate this map but I also love it, had some of the best & worst of times on it.
Love the reworked map, it gives multiple routes that work, I love multiple paths & that's a positive with that stage for me but I always felt as though I could easily get locked out of playing so I have been a little salty on the structure of it because it's fun in its design which is what I like but I've had so many unplayable matches on it.
One thing I've done is played N-Zap 89 on the stage & focused on getting my sprinkler up on the moving crane grate thingy & then go off, getting my ink strikes so I could defend that middle area without being in it. Unsure if it's like this for others but it was always easier for me to pay attention to the map when it was on the game pad, I struggle these days to look at it because it takes up your screen & you need to see what's going on & with the game pad, I could pay attention to the screen & the map at the same time but I think that's just a me problem. I had no issue with seeing if the opposing team were making their way to the crates back there so I was like, gonna pop an ink strike there & continue on my merry way.
Sometimes when I was playing a different weapon on the stage, I'd go with something that has seekers, my personal favorite sub. In turf war, I'd typically ink up that entire back crate area & then defend it by sticking at the one area you can get into it from & launching seekers at people. This is one of the few times my aggressive side came out, I use to be a more passive player although one thing I love about seekers is that they did the work for me.
If they happened to bring Saltspray Rig back in with a similar look to the redesign shown, I could do the same thing but with autobombs & hey, means I can play the N-Zap 89 for that, kinda funny how my favorite main weapon from the first game ended up with my favorite sub from the second game, I just didn't like the special in the second because it felt too broken, I even have a clip on my switch from splatfest on Moray Towers where & totally wiped out the other team because three of them were making their way up our side of the tower & I was going up their side, got my special, launched missiles over to the three on our end & got them all, then got the one guy defending their side with my N-Zap so yeah, was NOT a fan of it in the second game & it's partially why I only have like 300 hours dedicated to 2 when I bought it on launch. I have already exceeded that in 3 so it's clear how I felt about 2. N-Zap 89 is about exactly how I like it in 3 & I'd be super excited about bringing that onto a newly redesigned Saltspray Rig.
this map always takes me back to my first time playing splatoon during global testfire
Yo nice collab! Very fun video :D
Credits to the editor once again sneaking in Omega Strikers music
I couldn’t ignore the middle of the map staring into my soul 💀
thank you for making this video. I have wanted salt spray rig to come back for a very long time now. But the second I say that people have a tendency of ignoring the fact that it can be changed to not have the same type of lay out.I mean mahi mahi is completely different I don't see why they can't do that for this stage as well (only try to make it good).I love this stage aesthetically but I think it would be nicer with a Fresh coat of paint
If it were truly up to me though I would have it come back as a Big Run stage 1st then after the event it would be available in regular modes. Literally taking back the stage from the salmon
This is why I think both of you should work on custom maps for Splatoon one either casually for turf war and competitively for ranked
Okay cool idea: they introduce Saltspray Rig _as a Big Run_ and then the Salmonids _win_ which "turns it into a salmon run stage" even though it wasn't non-salmon-run to begin with.
Here’s how I would fix the map in the thumbnail: make it do that the walls all around the map can be climbed by the other team in some way shape or form, be it sponges, or inkable walls, or whatever works. Basically what we want to do is keep the backliners guessing where the enemy will be and not just watching the same angle.
as bad as saltspray was, it was one of my favourites back in the splat 1 days, i really hope it comes back in some way, that salmon run version looks amazing too
6:25 I love the idea. But the top part seems absolutely USELESS now, there’s literally no reason to go up there unless you wanna ride the crain of fun
I may be wrong, but I don't even think anything special would have to be done for the crates on the Salmon Run variant. I believe if all active players are somewhere Salmonids can't walk to, like on a fish stick, lesser Salmonids will start climbing the walls. In fact, Saltspray high tide would be a great way to show off this wall climbing since its usually very rare.
I think one more change to the salmon run that is having the crane have not a graded platform inkabal
… when I played splat 1 I didn’t even learn the stage’s layout, probably because it hardly ever got used.
One note: You forgot to add gushers that are visible during high tide
I loved Saltspray. It was a bad map but i loved playing on it.
The more I look at SR Saltspray the more I want to play on it, damn
5:50 bluefin prediction?
Honestly, the original could be a great tricolor map almost as is with defenders all starting at the top with the crane.
I actually had the idea that saltspray as a tricolor map could be cool
Defense spawns up top by the crane, offense teams at usuals
I NEVER knew about those elevators before, those sound so broken lol
I WANT TO PLAY THIS MAP SO MUCH
For the elevators - why not just make them fan operated? I think we all - casual and competitive - want more single player mode features in maps, and fan operated moving platforms are a single player mode feature that used to be on some PvP maps that S3 doesn't currently have.
I absolutely loved Saltspray when I was a kid playing Splatoon 1, don't you dare ever hate on my baby again
I loved this map as a kid
It was great for turf war
I have a spreadsheet for my thoughts on Big Run variations of stages, and previously, it was sat at E. Due to this video, I'm gonna have to rethink it over. Probably gonna go to an A, A- minimum.
renders for this would be sickkk
clam toss strats would be so cool on this map
Why couldn't crableg capital have a crane of fun 😢
Yes I love the new Saltspray. I really hope to it it returned, especially with these modifications.
Saltspray was honestly my favorite in the first game just because of the layout and the elevators
If they reworked it a bit or made it a salmon run or tricolor map I’d be so hype if this came back
But not in the same Tetris layout all the others are 😩
Literally everything about these theoretical changes filled me with hype like this map was actually coming back; I lowkey miss Saltspray so seeing how it could be improved fills me with immense joy lmao.
This is so cool, It would be good for the game if the other S3 stages ware good but they aren’t
Um'ami ruins, undertow, and brinewater are great maps. You guys seem to have problems if some says this game has great maps and you all act like jerks about defend yourselves with "I want Nintendo to do better" Nintendo didn't make this game for hard core gamers to ne a esports even if this game has a really big esports scene with a lot of events and has a pretty good price pole
@@maplemiles3381 objectively brine, um ami and undertow are not great, it is your opinion so don’t call them great, call them good for you.
@@Kit_splat I'm calling them great because I think their great your in the middle of my opinion. Can the gaslighting it's like your saying "your not allowed to have a opinion on maps"
@@maplemiles3381 I’m allowing you to say your opinions but be specific when it’s specifically yours, now get out of my notifications please
I wish they brought this map back either in matches or salmon run because it's such a fun map in turf that I wish it was actually good in ranked.
Nintendo should hire you guys instead and fire the one(s) who creates the stages now lmao.
Nintendo has saying how the game is designed I love these maps and the game is growing and getting better. If prochara wad in charge he would make the maps better and the weapons worse and have more umbrellas brushes and rollers these weapons do make splatoon stand out but it's still a shooter so their has to be guns rapid fire, shot gun pistols, chargers, and duelies.
Can this community let people love maps even if it's a guilty pleasure this games community is less toxic and less annoying then smash but it's picking up a very similar behavior.
I just logged onto UA-cam just to see one of your videos and this comes out!
I couldn't help but laugh at how bad this stage was it's hilarious, miss Splatoon
Remove all paintable walls and add a pole in mid, duh🙄