I Was COMPLETELY WRONG About Splatoon 3
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But it's not pinned tho
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It is now.
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Please still do the review of splatoon 3. It would make my day :)
Also great video, thank you!
Splatoon is the kind of franchise that, if it came out in the 90s, I can picture hundreds of spinoffs. I can picture party games, racing games, puzzle games, all in the Splatoon franchise
Oh it easily would have been my Pokémon lol
Wel they do have the card game.
yeah man, all the splatoon hate/dislike from the Nintendo veteran gamers probably because they didn't have the chance to play it when they were kids
I'm a Nintendo veteran, and I have no such hate. Been a fan since 2019. @@mjdevlog
@@sechabatheletsane9784and technically a racing with Mario kart. It’s legit the first and only modern Nintendo game to be featured in a Mario spin off to a big degree. Not even Kirby or Metroid had that luxury.
Splatoon 3 is my chill game at night most of the time, really excited for the rest of the dlc this year
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Same. Though I hope Splatoon 3’s DLC can match the quality of octo expansion.
aint you nathaniel b?
What weapon do you main
Nathaniel B
Hits the griddy the ocky way /J /J /J
Minor changes in Splatoon go a long way. The new movements and finesse in Splatoon 3 was great. I can't imagine going back to no squid surge or egg toss. Salmon Run is all I play and it's been so fleshed out.
Would you say it's worth just for Salmon Run?
It's really the biggest part of my enjoyment of Splatoon 2 alongside Ranked.
@@mechashadow The minor changes not only affect Salmon Run, but also Ranked. With Squid Roll, Ranked Splatoon 3 feels so much faster. I went back to Splatoon 2, and I immediately felt slower.
i never thought i'd enjoy squid surge at first but i use it constantly now, it's so useful and while i miss splatoon 2's sr maps (ark polaris my beloved) they feel so weird to play now without those new abilities
@@mechashadow I would but it's down to you. If you like it in 2 it's got way more going on.
@@mechashadowI can't really say what your money's worth for you, but Salmon Run feels so much better in 3 than it did in 2. The ability to squid surge and throw eggs makes it all much less sluggish, and the new enemies bring a lot of extra depth.
As a competitive player who didn't own any prior splatoon game, I think that comment about people "wanting an in, but everything is so established so they waited for the next game" was the perfect description that I couldn't even make myself. With nearly 2k hours and having met new friends, the engaging and ever changing update cycle would have lost the appeal if it continued trying to build on an old game with exhausted or outdated ideas - so a third entry made a lot of sense.
With stuff like the idols and splatfests, it also just feels nice to be a part of the game from the very start. Splatoon 2 always looked cool but I only really got interested in it like halfway through its lifespan, so that made me want to get right into 3 even more.
I'm just now getting to be a fan of the competitive, despite being with the series since the first game. Let us count ourselves lucky to not have to deal with Splatoon 2 specials and gear abilities. (Although the Octo Expansion is peak Splatoon campaign so maybe go back for that if you have some cash to burn.)
@@Cool-Vest_Leo hey, thanks for the tip I may have to do that! I hope your experience with enjoying competitive play has been good, it's really an interesting scene :)
@@birdflox1337same i never really gotten into splatoon until half of splatoon 2 life in 2019
@@Cool-Vest_Leosplat 2 meta made me stop playing comp until riptide 2022 when splat 3 came out 😭
I think one of the biggest justifications for the new game instead of just DLC was the specials. Especially from a competitive perspective, certain specials in 2 were just really bad for the game in a way that was nigh unfixable, particularly ink armor and stingray which limited which weapons were good quite severely. But you can't really remove those from the game. The closest they did was stop adding stngray to weapons just a few months into updates because I think even they realized how bad its design was.
The 2 specials you mentioned along with Bubble Blower, Baller and Bomb Luncher are the only special weapons that didn't rerun. Although I would argue that Baller is somewhat included to Crab Tank. That shows how Ink Armor and Sting Ray single handedly crippled the Splatoon 2 from the beginning. Cause all other specials are in S3 (some with minor adjustments), Bubble Blower with some small changes could be in S3 and Bomb luncher is okay for a special that lacks inspiration.
This absolutely. I think the developers wanted to push out splatoon 3 because by the time they put out splatoon 2 it wasnt "ready." like, as a game, it functions, and functions quite well, but there are so many little design choices *especially* with the specials that just don't make sense, and I think the devs knew that by the end of its lifetime that they needed to have a game where they could put the thought and care into it
This was exactly what I was gonna say, and I really hope Arlo sees this if he makes a Splatoon 3 review. No matter how bad the stages are in S3, every entry has it's share of bad maps. It's just that maps don't define metas, but specials overwhelmingly do.
The special design minus tenta missiles is SOO MUCH BETTER in this game its absurd, every special from a casual perspective feels so good to use
Really it is just the maps and kit amount, IMO Splatoon is by far the best competitive multiplayer shooter rn
@@jasonzervos I think we also need to acknowledge splashdown here. Since you could cancel it so easily, that thing single handedly made over a dozen weapons much worse than they had to be in 2, and even though it did eventually get into 3, there was a 15 month gap where it wasn't usable in multiplayer and it had to be reworked, something that was probably made much easier by being in a new game. The presence of tacticooler making it so you can die more safely is also a huge boon for Splashdown that while wouldn't be impossible in 2, was made much easier to implement by 3 being a new game.
I think it's also a similar but less extreme case for Tenta Missiles. That special was one of the most hated at the end of Splatoon 2, but has been nerfed into an annoying but manageable special in 3. But I think part of the reason it was made so annoying in 2 was because it had to compete directly with stringray, which they never manged to have in a good spot throughout the game's lifespasn. So as long as stingray was in the game, I think Tenta Missiles would've had to stay in the annoying spot they were in to keep them from being a special that kills the weapons its on like splashdown. Now that its closest source of competition is Killer Wail 5.1, they can balance it around a special that isn't fundamentally broken.
Splatoon 3 is honestly one of the best Switch games. I’ve sunk so many hours into it now. Just so much pure fun
it's not. The game sucks and the map design isn't much better. It's so cluttered and annoying to traverse maps in this game. Splatoon 3 makes no sese. It feels like Splatoon 2.5 or similar to a new Fortnite season.
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@@jayandjlps8022 disagree. The maps have great aesthetics with some pitting you in deserted wastelands (which is such a cool contrast to the neon ink) while others have you in big cities which is just plain cool. I would say that maps have a great variety between clustered corridors and big open areas. And while it might not have introduced a big new multiplayer mode (which I concede is a shame), being the second entry on the system allowed the team to refine the mechanics further than ever. And there are a lot of really ingenious additions that may seem small on the surface, but do so much to keep the flow never ending. The lobby allowing you to play and the medals being awarded based upon individual performance are really incredible ideas. Also the campaign is fantastic and boasts one of the greatest spectacles of final boss design in Nintendo’s already stacked library.
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@@jacksonlovesnintendothe campaign was so good, I really loved the “skill tree” design they did for the upgrades
Arlo: "It just seemed kind of alike an incremental jump"
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Was thinking the same exact thing
Ink-credible pun tentabro
glad i wasn’t the only one who heard / thought this
I’ve always thought the reaction to Splatoon 3’s announcement was dumb. The whole “one game per system” only applies to Nintendo franchises. Everyone else does it. People even compared Splatoon to COD even though there hadn’t been an entry in 5 years. Also most of the people saying we didn’t need a new Splatoon weren’t even playing Splatoon 2 anymore anyways so what were they complaining about?
Yeah the five year gap is important to keep things in perspective. It's not like they tried to turn Splatoon into an annual franchise or something.
Whattt no way people that dont even play nintendo games or own a switch being the loudest dissenters against anything nintendo does?
No way that happens
What? What games have EVER followed the "one game per system" rule? The reason that happens is just because they take so long to develop nintendo figures "lol, just make it for the next system."
Same reason we got another zelda on the switch. They had a base to work with, so they were able to do two games on the same system.
The problem is that these people don't play Splatoon and want to complain about a series they don't care.
Splatoon don't need to change to please people outside the community that been supporting this franchise for almost 10 years now.
I mean, you don't need to go very far to see people thinking Splatoon is just "no skill needed, just ink the floor and you will win".
Yeah, and people don’t like when COD does it either.
I have a friend who got splatoon 3 as his first splatoon game and now he has more hours in it than me, and I’m a diehard fan since splatoon 1
practically the same thing happened with my friend too lol. we're both trying to get another friend to join us, even bought him the online sub just for splatoon. I just wish the skill floor wasn't quite so high right now, it's harder for a new player to ease in. that should change with the influx of players once side order drops tho
Another theory I have for why this was a perfect time for Splatoon 3 to come out: it's the first Nintendo game in like a decade to move on from their old architecture for online games and use the new system developed for switch. This game was basically a stress test for the new system, and we actually saw the effects of this (at launch there were all these issues with online not present in the last game, and had to be addressed with patches). The switch successor and all the online games being developed for it will use this system too, and so by coming out when it did, Splatoon 3 is laying the groundwork for all these games to launch with far better online than if the system had never been tested on such a large scale.
This!!!
I wouldn't expect Nintendo wanting to improve the online experience for the next console if I were you
I put more hours in the first month of Splatoon 3 than I put into my entire time playing Splatoon 2. The quality of life improvements improved it THAT MUCH.
Opposite for me
I can't agree with this statement more as someone who came from Splatoon 1 and loved the game just going to Splatoon 2 was such a disappointment as the weapon balance was bad right from the start and the special design felt awful to fight especially with the limited movement options plus at the time I missed having the gamepad screen for the game but I don't mind so much now. I bought both Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 3 at release. I passed the playtime of Splatoon 2 super fast because the improvements were really good especially the movement changes and an actually decent weapon balance at the start of the game despite some problematic weapons which in casual play weren't as bad to deal in comparison to tri-slosher at the start of splatoon 2. I am by no means an expert in splatoon 2 game balance as I quit immediately but Splatoon 3 has me hooked and I'm still playing 1,125 hours later which is by far my most played switch game and I think that is a testament to just what this game has done right and the fact I'm still playing is just crazy even to me.
I got 2 first and completing story mode and octo expansion got me to 105 hours with playing turf and salmon run every so often. Splatoon 3 so far has me at 100 hours just beating the base story mode so I’m sure it will go a LOT higher when the dlc comes out. Story mode was definitely better in 3 but as for the DLC, we’ll have to wait and see if Nintendo can match octo expansions quality which I’m sure they will.
Same here 1,800 first year and a half compared to my 2,100 over 5 years in s2
@@triggerhappy4199 is that the only game you play goddamn
one other fact to consider now that the game is in the latter half of its update cycle, side order is looking to be a big draw to people who enjoy more single player experiences and the replayability of side order looks to be a really interesting innovation on the splatoon formula
Splatoon 3 may actually be more proof that the Switch successor will have backwards compatibility. I can not imagine a world where Nintendo would greenlight a continuously ongoing updating game as massive as Splatoon knowing most of their player base will be moving on to a platform that doesn't support said game only 2 years later. Im hopeful, haha
Or maybe they’ll just make Splatoon 4 a Switch 2 exclusive to try to lure people onto the new hardware
Or they could just make a port like they did with Mario Kart 8. Hopefully it'll have backwards compatibility, but you never know.
On the other hand, they were only planning 2 years of support for the game so it's possible that it's like the exact opposite of this
*Glares in Splatoon 1 on Wii U in 2015*
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 exactly. The promises update cycle will end in June or at the latest in September of this year. After that point Nintendo will consider it a mostly dead game
It really makes sense when you remember Splatoon is a Nintendo franchise: they care just as much about their worlds and characters and settings as the gameplay. So when they make a sequel, they're thinking just as much about the new setting, the new characters, the new music, etc as the new gameplay mechanics and they absolutely see Splatoon 3 as a substantially different game by that metric.
Then why did they completely destroy the lore with Splatoon 3?
This is one of the best games to come out for the switch, and of the two splatoon games, I have for more hours invested in this one. There's just so many features and play styles that make it a big improvement over the second game, stuff they couldn't have just made dlc. I could never go back to not having squid surge. It's existence on the same console as 2 is definitely justified.
You are correct.
Me personally, I'm SO glad Splatoon 3 came out- even though I had splatoon 2 and enjoyed it a bit, I never really got into it since I got it after content had stopped in 2019. Splatoon 3 was like an opportunity for me (and probably so many others) to get into the community!! I've made so many friends from this game and it's such a big part of my life that I can't imagine what I would do if it had never come out
Same. Splatoon was a series I always liked but never I never played 1 or 2 enough to see them to the end of their update cycle. A couple years later I met my first online friend group and to make a long story short, I bought 3 at launch even though I wanted to wait so I could play with them and got so hooked it ended up becoming my most played game ever. Joining the competitive scene a few months back is one of the best decisions I've ever made, it's insane how many of my friendships exist because of this series
I think what may have helped the sales of Splatoon 3 during launch was the fact Splatoon 2 launched so early into the life of the Switch, back before it REALLY kicked-off in popularity. What probably deterred people from trying 2 was because of the end of content arriving around the time the Switch sales began to really get going with Animal Crossing (and the rising popularity of Mario Kart, Smash, Pokemon etc) so as you said Splatoon 3 is a perfect time to jump in.
By the end of Splatoon 2's life the game could be incredibly rough to get into because there were so many weapons (and kits) which could confuse or overwhelm new players, not to mention things like the Kensa .52 Gal meta, Tenta Missile Spam, and EVERYTHING revolving around how gear worked in that game. 3 helped reset a lot of that but also carry-over a lot of the established elements from Splatoon 2, so players familiar with the game weren't missing out on things they liked from that game while also making sure new players had a healthy amount of things to discover and learn. Not to mention the singleplayer is MUCH better designed to teach players about the game than the S2 campaign, while also having moments for longer-time players to feel payoff too!
Arlo about Zelda: "It's not all about money".
Arlo about Splatoon: "Money talks"
The funniest bit about current-day Splatoon to me is that for as beloved as the series is, the core fanbase here in the west is probably the most critical of the games? Especially 3, admittedly 3 is far from a perfect game but apart from the Tenta Missile meta of Splat 2, 3 has probably had the biggest "controversies" within the fandom. But despite all that, the fanbase still loves it and agree that despite its flaws it's probably the best Splatoon yet. Even with some of the worst maps in the series, metas that are actually on par with Splat 2 Missiles (looking at you Crab Tank) and a netcode possibly worse than Splatoon 2's, we still love it and the game has a huge playerbase. Most of the community, shockingly, did actually move from 2 to 3 and 2 is kind of around for nostalgia purposes. It's a fun game, and that's enough for most people.
As for the topic of the video itself, most multiplayer games fall into what I like to call iterative sequels, as opposed to innovative sequels. Innovative sequels are most of Nintendo's sequels, brand new games built from the ground up to be completely different from the last. Your average Mario, Zelda, Smash, and others. Iterative sequels prioritize improvements over the last before adding brand new things, which at launch is pretty much what Splat 3 did. I still think at launch it had enough to be its own game (whereas Splat 2 at launch was a glorified port of the first game), but when it comes to new content, we've probably tripled new content since launch with the updates. It gives each game its own identity if it didn't have one at the beginning. Eventually we might need a game that's closer to an innovative sequel just because the current game would be nearly perfected, but we're a while off from that day. For a majority of multiplayer games, iterative sequels are perfectly fine until the formula is completely run into the ground, and if you need any evidence: just look at how much Call of Duty sells each year. Or nearly any multiplayer shooter with relatively frequent sequels. Might not indicate quality, but at least indicates it works for sales.
Nobody hates Splatoon as much as Splatoon fans!😂 as much as Nintendo tries, there will ALWAYS be people complaining! But I do think they've struck a pretty good balance with S3. It's not perfect, but the META is in a pretty healthy spot, with most weapons being viable, and weapon variety at an all time high! The only problems now are linear "Tetris" map designs, and net coding issues. All of these things can be worked out in Splatoon 4, so I'm very optimistic about the future of the Splatoon series!
@sethfeldpausch4337 yeah, love Splatoon 3 but the maps are kinda boring but thats not the biggest issue in the grand scheme of things.
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 He didn't call them that though, he called the typical Mario and Zelda games "innovative sequels," as a contrast to "iterative sequels" like Splatoon.
@@legoboy7107 ohhhh sorry i misread that
Even with the horrible map design, you can see the devs are still willing to learn within THIS game evidenced by the new robo rom-en stage. Also, to a smaller extent the time extension for challenges(not how I would have fixed, but it’s still a step in the right direction.)
Not many people realize how dead splatoon 2 was before the announcement of splatoon 3. Not that it was hard to find a game, but the community online wasn't really all that active and the splatoon community was dead. The announcement and eventual release of splatoon 3 really brought a lot of people new and returning to join to community and it became a lot more active again.
This. And Splatoon 2 had a huge drop in players because a few months in, Nintendo locked the online behind NSO. Now everybody is perfectly comfortable at paying for NSO if they wanna play online.
People were seeing from an outside perspective, "oh Switch already has a Splatoon game, doesn't need another one" and that's not how things works with a game like Splatoon.
Splatoon fans are feral and we love our little squids lol. I really agree, I was a bit dubious as to whether 3 needed to happen at first, but it really is a completely different feel playing the game as opposed to 2.
Finally, Persona 3 and Splatoon 3 together in an Arlo video.
One thing I love about Splatoon is how they do release a game where it isn't a live service game, but still has some of the main advantages of a live service game. The updates, though maybe more mild than a successful Live service game which relies on recurring user payment models. However, the thing that really gets me is that they, unlike Live Service games, design the exit plan right into the game. So whenever that day comes and they can no longer support the servers, all the content is playable offline and fully supports LAN multiplayer.
They thought of the idea that one day servers will go down, but they also don't want you to lose the game when that happens. It's also nice that the Switch is so popular so that you can still get a game together and play Splatoon, or Salmon Run, or just about anything except for the Splat-fest. All of those cool customization options? Included with the initial purchase price. Pretty much every aspect of the game that is here or comes later? Included with the initial purchase price. The only time you pay more is usually for a brand new Single Player adventure, at a reduced cost. I think it's kind of akin to the old Guild Wars model, except the expansion being specific to single-player and that you aren't server reliant to play the game, single nor multiplayer.
It is why I feel I really make out well with just paying the premium price. I get the game, I can play it from start to finish, and when it comes down to it, my time being able to play it isn't over until I say it is over. Each FTP Live service game easily gets people paying way more than I ever would on a single Splatoon game. So for me, it's a great value proposition and runs on a business model that I personally want to stay with. That model will always beat out Live service games, anytime.
It kind of makes sense, as much as I don't like buying a game over and over to keep up with the player base, this is one way to not have things like microtransactions or battle passes in a game like this; while still having a standout multiplayer and singleplayer experience that slightly evolves with each iteration.
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Do we ever actually see Arlo's face though?
His absolutely handsome cookie monster like face
Of course, he’s in the thumbnail
Side Order is the big thing that still holds the potential to move S3 forward in a big way. Octo Expansion pushed the series forward both narratively and gameplay wise. It isn't the worst model to have the base game play it more safe and take large risks with the DLC. And then add what works into the base game of the next entry.
Good perspective, and excellent taste in rabbits AND evil geniuses. 10/10 right here ^^
There's also something to be said about the single-player mode. You can release an iterative series by the single-player mode alone.
That's how it should be. Single-player isn't a "mode", it's the entire point of having a new game and the online mode is just a bonus
@@robbysalz8710this is such a dogshit take holy
@@robbysalz8710 ...I would disagree, for the reason of most people buying Splatoon for the multiplayer, social interactions, etc. and not the single player. And for multiplayer being the reason why people are still playing the game, and that is DEFINITELY not because of the single player.
I was one of those new Splatoon people! I didn't have a Switch when Splatoon 2 came out and didn't think I would like it after I got one. But when Splatoon 3 was coming soon and they gave us a Splatfest to try the game out, that was my chance to see what I was missing out on and I loved it. That chance to try it out for free turned out to be exactly what I needed, and I didn't have that chance during the launch of Splatoon 2.
Well, Arlo, you know what we have to do now...
*hits hammer on desk* WRONGZO!
Another thing about sequels is they can REMOVE. They did not bring back main weapon power up, and I'm SO GLAD. It makes lots of weapons completely busted. How do you remove an entire gear ability? Logistically, it's a nightmare.
I'm right there with you on finding it strange that Nintendo abruptly stopped discussing Splatoon 3's sales numbers. I feel like we don't even get updates through their quarterly fiscal reports. Reminds me of what they did with Metroid Dread.
One of my favorite changes in Splatoon 3 vs 2 is the loading times and main hub layout. There's a video on twitter showing the load times side-by-side when changing shop menus and Splatoon 3 is almost instantaneous while Splatoon 2 takes a solid like 10 seconds at the worst of times.
Zelda, Metroid and Splatoon are my favorite game series of all time. I love them all, but something about the splatoon world is just so lovely. It makes me happy, and I can’t quite describe it
The changes to Salmon Run ALONE would have me buying a new version and then the minor rewards of Seasons was a great idea, for me anyway. Plus all the small changes to movement is so lovely.
On the financial side, Nintendo’s pretty formulaic - they only update sales numbers of games that have sold over 1 million in a fiscal year. Since they haven’t updated the number since their last fiscal year ended on March 31, we can assume that it hadn’t sold a million when they last updated the number on September 30th. I expect to see it on the earnings report for December after the holidays.
I'm glad Splatoon 3 was made because it's what really got me into the series.
I played Splatoon 2 and liked it well enough. I thought the campaign was fine and had some fun with the online. I really loved the Octo Expansion campaign, but didn't touch the game very much after that. I had around 27 hours on the game.
But then Splatoon 3 came out and something clicked. I loved the campaign and really got into playing online ranked matches. I finally got to participate in Splatfests after missing out on them in Splatoon 2.
So far, I have clocked in over 300 hours on the game.
Homestly it is weird that it fell off so hard especially with the updates. If im correct its actually sold like either 11 or 13mil but i cant find the source but its a chart that shows that Super Mario Party recently sold like 500k more units. But its not really just a splatoon problem cuz totk sold 10 mil in 3 days then the next financial report should about 18mil units and after 3 months it went to 19mil. A million is def still a lot but the drop off rates seem to be much higher around now. Its still way more noticeable with splatoon 3 tho and it is interesting that nobody seems to talk about it
I love the quack every time Arlo highlights "Yeah, I goofed, it's supposed to be three months".
LITERALLY my favorite game on switch. My first game in the series was S2 on release day and I’ve been HOOKED ever since!! ❤ They improved and expanded upon every single aspect of S2 with the release of 3, and it continues to gift the community through updates!!
Regarding sales, I thought it was notable that in the latest Nintendo sales report, they listed all first party games that sold over 1 million copies between April-September 2023. The usual Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda games are there, but interestingly to me even Nintendo Switch Sports and Mario Party Superstars met the sales threshold to make the list, but Splatoon 3 less than a year after launch did not. It really is like everyone who bought the game bought it at launch and it fell off of a cliff.
Finally someone talking about it. It's as if the bulk of Splatoon 2 players bought 3 along with a small number of new players (such as me) in the first 3 months and then people just stopped buying the game. The game seems to have had very poor sales momentum, although I'm hoping that Side Order changes that (especially if it's part of the NSO Expansion Pack). Also from what I remember seeing on the last time Splat 3's sales numbers were reported, like 70% of copies were sold in Japan, meaning that in Japan, 3 has already outsold 2 but for Splatoon 2, about 40% of copies were sold in Japan. It seems to me that while Japan is still infatuated with Splatoon, in the rest of the world, Switch owners just aren't as interested which is likely the main cause of the game's poor sales momentum. It also doesn't help that at Splatoon 2's launch, online was free which lowered the barrier to entry whereas now you have to pay.
@inline885 nope the game is still selling really well and has more then likely out sold Splatoon 2 life time sales and people from launch are still hooked and playing as the game is growing at a positive and your not allowed to be getting away with spreading misinformation which you are
@@highlander8402youe eating up a child spreading misinformation splatoon 3 is still a top seller if you say otherwise go get yourself a lobotomy
@@maplemiles3381 I’m a huge fan of the series and a competitive player lol. Show me updated sales figures if you have them, otherwise you’re just hoping and guessing.
@@inline885 it's more then likely has out sold splatoon 2 life time sales but their is no official report but the game is top 10-20 in Japan on a weekly bases which means it's still a top seller
I was actually one of those new players you mentioned in the video. I loved Chugga's LP of Splatoon 1 (I would've bought it but money was too tight at the time), and I was considering on Splatoon 2 once I had my Switch, but then 3 got announced and figured I should just wait until then, and Chugga ended up doing a Splatoon 2 LP on top of that. At that point Splatoon was my favorite game I never played and I was super excited to play Splatoon 3. The World Premiere launched and I had so much fun with it that it secured my interest in getting the game. Since getting it, I've played it on and off regularly. I never missed a single Splatfest or Big Run.
Chuggaaconroy 😬
@@hypotheticaltapeworm He owned up to what happened, let it go. Besides, this was from a time way before that ever happened. So are you gonna be part of this conversation or not?
All Splatoon needs are dedicated servers and it would be perfection.
I didn't think it would hit so hard with me. It's my first Splatoon. I have thousands of hours. It was the only online multiplayer game aside from fighting games that I have played in the last decade. It's probably my third favorite game ever. My whole household plays on and off.
Sales talk: The 10.67 million sales in Nintendo's earnings report only reports to March 31, 2023. We'll need to wait for the next earnings report, but Splatoon 3 is likely still selling pretty well. I frequently run into players with starting gear clearly figuring out the controls. It's pretty fun to watch people forget motion controls are default.
13:40 I think this is the case because the majority of people got the game for Christmas around December, which fits perfectly in the 3-month span. After that it probably suffered the same problem you mentioned with Splatoon 2 where people wouldn't want to get multiplayer games that already have an established history and meta.
From a sales standpoint, Splatoon 3 was the right call……for Japan. The west did see the usual dip for sequels of franchises already on the same system, it’s just that Japan overperformed. And even then, it’s still below Splatoon 2.
*EDIT:* And it looks like sales dropped off hard a year later. Unless Side Order gives Splatoon 3 a sizable boost (which is entirely possible, as shown by Octo Expansion for S2), I don’t think it’s passing Splatoon 2.
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The main reason why people were turned away was because of how long untill you could play any other ganemode then Turf War ( lv10 ). Which has been calculated to be over 50 battles.
That was more or less my thoughts any time I saw people doubting the necessity of Splat 3. I think most Nintendo fans are just not experienced with the release model for non-live service multiplayer titles. This is how the business works, especially with shooters and double especially if a single player campaign is a significant part of the appeal. Honestly, Splatoon's release schedule reminfs me a lot of Bungie era Halo
A big problem with Splatoon 2 was there were a lot of special weapons and abilities that were so badly designed that they were removed/redesigned in S3.
Even the few changes to Salmon Run improved the game way more than most people realized. The fact that you can throw eggs meant that the whole mode had to be WAY harder to compensate. Not to mention that mode’s new stages have much better level design.
Glad to see you've changed your tune on this. It feels like Splatoon's a series that is misunderstood by general Nintendo fans who don't see the appeal. Like Fire Emblem and Xenoblade, Splatoon's been sectioned off from "core" Nintendo franchises despite being one of their most popular IP's.
You're absolutely right about people waiting for a chance to get into the game. Consider that Splatoon 2 came out in 2017 when the Switch hadn't sold 10 million units yet. By the time Splatoon 3 came out, the Switch now had over 100 million sold. That's a huge growth in install base of people who potentially missed the first entry but would be interested in a sequel.
Youre kinda right. I came back to the Switch in 2021ish and I wanted to play Splatoon but was thinking the fun is gone or i was too far behind. I only gave Splatoon a shot when they released the third. Great game, and I'm glad I jumped in.
Arlo, one thing you might have forgotten: in their financial reports, whether yearly or quarterly, Nintendo only reports on games that have sold 1 million units or higher over said period. So if splatoon 3 sold 900k each quarter, a total of 3.6 million, Nintendo wouldn't report on it.
What I like about splatoon is they keep in glitches. Sub strafing, (which i guess would be the wave dashing of splatoon) was originally a glitch in splatoon 1, and the beginning of splatoon 2 as some weapons couldnt do it, but in the middle of splatoon 2, they changed it to where all weapons can do it.
That's not really a glitch, but I still understand what you're trying to say.
The devs embraces movement options and they seem to enjoy expanding on that as long as it's not a special reaching an area that it's not supposed to.
@@angrydiddykong262 it was originally a glitch, as in the programmed mechanics of the game working together to create an unintended feature that gave an advantage to people who knew the specific conditions to trigger it.
I loved Splatoon 3 so much without realizing by how much; within a few months it became my second most-played video game...ever. 650+ hours, beating Smash Bros Ultimate, Pokemon Crystal, Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Plants Vs. Zombies by over 200 hours each. (But still behind Animal Crossing New Horizons by 900+ hours. That one's gonna be hard.)
The duck sound for that week's to month correction kept cracking me up. Excellent editing
Nintendo only reports game sales data for games that sell over 1m units within the previous fiscal year during their quarterly earnings reports.
If they haven't reported on it in their updated sales data, that's becasue it has sold over 1m unitls in the previous 4 quarters.
Splat 4 comes out, he'll be back with another "Splatoon shouldve ended with 3" vid
Just to be proven wrong again when it‘s inevitably great again xD
@@V1G4M1 and the cycle repeats
If it releases on Switch too then he might have a point. Atleast wait until the new console is on the market.
@@UnnormaISplatoon 3 is still going to be updated for a little while, and most people are speculating that the Switch 2 is to be released this year
The only time a game is unwarranted is when it lacks an identity of its own. Splatoon 3 has a significantly different identity to S2, and hopefully S4 will have a MUCH different identity to S3!
The other thing is the game balance changes quite a bit when moving between games with different weapon kits and specials and lots of Splatoon 2 specials were fundamentally broken in a way patches couldn't have addressed (sting ray and baller come to mind) and the clean slate of a new game provides the ability to make those kinds of drastic changes
One game that actually changed so much through updates that it felt completely different was Payday 2 I remember putting hundreds of hours into it and I went back to it a few years later and I felt like even the basic shooting was different. It made me realize exactly how much I missed when a game would come out and would still be the same game years later (maybe with a few bug fixes).
The devs clearly care about this game, and i love it
Getting an Atlus sponsorship makes me hope Arlo will delve in the Persona series sometime soon. They're some of the best JRPGs out there.
Sadly the only thing I can think about when I reflect on my time with Splatoon 3 was the endless, overwhelming amount of connection errors I got to the point I had to legit give up on playing it many times. Normally I'm not a huge critic of Nintendo's online service, as I barely use it, but for a game that pretty much requires online play to have that much trouble is pretty bad.
Maybe Splatoon 4 will finally figure out CPU enemies.
I still wanna play as the side characters, like blob fish. If a Splatoon 4 were to happen, I'd wanna play as them in the story mode, which could be the Great Squid war, including the main battle mode to just be a bare-bones version of the regular splat battles (just main weapons and skill)
As someone who's been in the fandom since the first game,I'm glad people are actually enjoying 3 when I can't
There's just too many issues for me that ruined the original vibe.this series was in its own words "fresh" but then the maps became Tetris blocks.maybe I'll get back into it eventually but for now it's just not for me
You really couldn't just re-record to input three MONTHS instead of WEEKS?! I can understand once, but four times? My goodness...
Regarding your sales topic, which I THANK YOU for, as I can’t believe no one else brings it up…
ACTUALLY, I did all the digging I could a while back, and found some more data from other sources. I can’t remember what quarters it happened at, it was sometime between July and October or something, but it DID indeed cross the 11 mil mark. We take minor victories where we can 👍
As for the why, I’m pretty sure their sales reports work SOMETHING ROUGHLY along the lines of, ‘only once it sells 1 mil more from its last report’ or ‘only if it sells ‘so much’ within a quarter, do we update the figures’. So that’s that. Ya it’s going much slower (entirely Nintendos fault for pushing it like hell in JP but doing nothing to advertise it in the west (unlike with Splat 2 if I recall correct)), but that which I figured out renewed my hope in its sales, and I’m at least fairly confident they’ll give an update on it in the next couple of quarterly reports. It’ll be over 11m once it does, not sure if more than 11, but at least that.
Edit: Effin’ called it 👏
you know, I would have definitely agreed with the "why would you make more than one iteration per console" idea...but I did also pick and play Splatoon 3 as my first splatoon game and now love it an awful lot. It was pretty slick of them to play it that way.
It’s nice to see Splatoon 3 is doing well, didn’t see too much content being made aside from the single player, but it’s great to see it’s being successful despite the worries pre release.
I’m gutted that Persona 3 Reload is not on Switch, looks like an incredible game. Maybe in the future…
Splatoon 3 is incredible. One of my favorite multiplayer games on Switch. Also, just the world of splatoon is so unique and awesome to see. The lore in incredible too. I really think splatoon is one of Nintendo’s best franchises
I'm glad you came around, this video perfectly demonstrates why Splatoon 3 is such a good entry in the franchise.
Splatoon 2 was a game that ended up creating this foundation that was flawed and made in mind of what they had back in 2017, adding content from 3 as "DLC" wouldn't work because we're now suggesting settings, meta changes, and even graphical changes to be done in a game that was dated back on the release of the switch.
It's better to save these massive changes for a new entry that would serve as an entry point for those to try out Splatoon again.
Many of my friends who skipped out on Splatoon 2 hopped onto Splatoon 3 and had a blast playing that game.
And to those still adamant as to whether a new entry needs to be per console, you see plenty of triple A games creating various entry points like this to give others an opportunity to join in, such as monster hunter.
That was a game that got various ports/entries in a single console which only benefited it for a reason.
I suspect the fiscal reason for both S3 being on the Switch rather than the Switch 2, and the Mario Kart 8 expansion pass, are to maintain momentum with Switch Online, giving people a reasons o keep subscribed to that.
But you're absolutely correct that multiplayer games are intimidating to jump into mid season, and the changes they made between S2 and S3 are more than you could do in updates, at least with how Splatoon updates are set up.
As for sales - The last sales number we have is 10.67m from end of Q4 2022-2023 (i.e. end of march 2023). We don't have the 9 month update for 2023-2024 yet, but as fo the 6 month one (so, end of September 2023) it seems that Splatoon 3 hasn't sold 1m units this fiscal year. We don't get updates on games that are below 1m units for the fiscal, because investors aren't interested in those and that part of Nintendo's site are focused on investors. If Splatoon hits 11.67m this fiscal, we find out provided we dig through the IR pages. If it doesn't... We probably never hear a number above 10.67m for it.
This... Isn't actually unusual for games - _most_ AAA games sell the vast majority of their units in the first couple of weeks. You're channel's focus on Nintendo might give you a distorted perspective on this, because Nintendo games tend to have unusually long tails by industry standards, at least to my casual observations, even when a game isn't Mario Kart or Animal Crossing which have long tails even by Nintendo standards. But, yeah, a game selling 10m in 3 months and then not passing 1m in the next 12 is, from what I can tell, fairly normal for AAA software - at least as far as selling 10m in 3 months is - it's just unusual for Nintendo to have these sharp cliffs rather than long tails with gradual declines.
Arlo admits he's wrong more in a video about something as trivial as Splatoon 3 than most UA-camrs do in Apology videos for heinous shit lmao
This has to be the most rambley video Arlo's ever made. I'm not even sure what his point was other than being wrong which I mainly know because of the title. The thing about the 10 million sales and just pausing is weird though. They'll probably update it once the DLC pops up, maybe.
after seeing your tweet about splatoon music for a video i was PRAYING you wouldnt overlook shooting starfish. very glad to hear it as soon as i clicked on the video lmao
as an avid splatoon 3 player, i cant go back to splatoon 2 💔💔 even without the dodge jump thingy, movement in splatoon 2 kind of feels a bit slower/heavier?? and im soooooo incredibly used to the dodge roll jump whatever, sososososoooo good. movement just feels so much more responsive. i will say that splatoon 3 can get on my nerves vis a vis letting downed players shoot ink for a while after theyre dead (especially hate this as a bucket user since i dont benefit from it whatsoever lmao). but otherwise it just feels better than 2, so much so that i really just wish all of my favourite stages from 2 make it over. also i could never go back to splatoon 2s salmon run, so many players are awful in the highest rank of 3, i cant imagine having to carry a whole team without access to egg throwing
I absolutely adored the first game, but didn't have a Switch yet when the second came out, and Splatfests and everything were already done by the time I got one and so I was kind of like "I missed my chance" and never got 2. I got 3 pretty soon after release and it was my most-played Switch game last year, at least from my perspective making it was a fantastic decision.
As someone who plays pretty actively, it sure feels like a different game from 1 and 2. And of course, I'd love to see your take on an actual review too. Good point though with the sales numbers never getting updated, I noticed that too back then. I assume this past christmas and the coming dlc will help it a bit, but it does seem to kinda stagnate
As someone who played a lot of Splatoon 1 and didn't buy a Switch/Switch Online for a while Splat2 just didn't feel like it was worth buying because it felt like a solved game. I was also playing a lot of Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare 2 which filled the gimmicky shooter role. However, after Battle for Neighborville bombed I was looking to get that gimmicky shooter fix somewhere else.
Splat3 however let me get back into the franchise with other people and while I don't play the online very much anymore I had a good experience in the story mode and I can definitely see myself picking up the game again for the online.
I have around 2000 hours just in Splatoon 3- the game is wonderful.
When I mastered motion controls in Splatoon 2, it was this epiphany "Holy shit". It changed the game completely for me vs sticks only. There is no game right now that is better than S3 in utilizing motion controls. Not only is it smooth, it fits wonderfully with everything in the game.
My next holy shit moment was when I mastered my first weapon. Then understanding my play style. So many holy shit moments and the more you play, the more deep it feels. And not only are you learning more of the game as you go on, but you learn more about yourself.
I have played 1000s of hours of other shooters on PC (probably more than 10,000 at this point), always mouse and keyboard, and nothing beats Splatoon 3 for me. This is one of those games where if you introduce mouse and keyboard now, it would take the spirit of Splatoon away.
And I'm an old ass dude
please still do the review, arlo talking about splatoon makes
me very very happy
I've been interested in this game, but I'm not into multiplayer so I've never actually gotten it.
Well, it still might be worth it for the fleshed out single player and fascinating story and world building if it looks interesting to you.
It has a fun single player too
Huh? Splatoon?
Oh yeah, Arlo likes timely sequels but likes to make not-timely reviews, I forgot 😂😂😂
But we are here for the depth and uniqueness of his reviews, so quality takes time.
From what I understand about Nintendo recently with their quarterly reports is that they only show their top 10 sold games on each platform. I think they used to show their top 20 but they stopped after a while which kinda annoys me. Would be nice for them to show all of their big titles but since the report is for investors mainly it makes sense to mainly show their best.
Great video Arlo! That aspect of the sales drastically lowering after a while is pretty odd. Yes it won’t sell as much for a while but that much of a sale drop is odd. I wonder if people realized not as much was added to it as they thought even though there is a lot to the game, I am not sure, maybe the hype died quick, really unsure but I don’t know a lot about Splatoon.
Love how everyone completely glosses over the fact that the single player alone in Splatoon 3 is worth the $60. It’s on the same level as Mario Odyssey and some Zelda games. It’s an action platformer / puzzle dungeon crawler with paint guns. It has tons of content and replay value. I know so many people who haven’t gotten into Splatoon because they don’t want to get into an online competitive game. They want a great single player experience and Splatoon 3 offers that. And if you are somebody who plays online the few changes to 3 are pretty massive. And what’s great is that the Splatoon 2 and even 1st Splatoon games are all active and you can rotate between games if you get tired of map selection on one. Splatoon 3 is also the most competitive so if you want a more relaxed online experience the previous games offer an easier experience to get into. Sad that Splatoon 1 will be offline soon, it holds up and still has some exclusive maps. Really hopes Nintendo brings over the rest. Saltspray Rig please.
By far the main thing that makes me believe it couldn't have been DLC is the game/special design. Splatoon 2 ended up being completely dominated by 3 specials that would just get spammed by shooters (ink armor, stingray, tenta missiles). They completely broke the game at its core since stingray and armor couldn't get nerfed in any substantial way, and you couldn't buff their counters because they had no counters. Splatoon 3 completely removed armor and stingray, and missiles got nerfed.
I know the Persona 3 bit is a sponsor plug here, but I really hope Arlo makes a full vid on his thoughts about the game if he plays it all the way through
interesting that Arlo makes a splatoon video and then we get the Side Order release date
Can't wait to hear your thoughts in palworld. I'm happy gamefreak has competition
Palworld is more Ark than pokemon. Cassette Beasts and Coromon are better pokemon competition. SMT is probably a good one as well even though pokemon was likely influenced by SMT. I think Palworld will be irrelevant outside a niche player base in a month.
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splat for me arlo
Ew
I bought my Switch Oled just for Splatoon 3 with my own money from my savings without having an income source. So yeah Splatoon 3 is def. a success
I think they definitely needed to put 2&3 on the same system because the WII U didn't sell well enough. I would like it if they went back to 1 per system now that the games install base is established. I will agree with Arlo that if console generations get longer 2 games a system makes sense.
I think the main reason they wanted to make a new game was they wanted to fundamentally change the game like you said but looking at the meta. Splatoon 2 has a really unhealthy and bad meta of quad shooters with sting ray, missiles, ink armor that sucked to play against. Ink armor invalidated one shots, missiles forced you to move constantly especially with how fast they were farmed and sting ray was the ultimate GG's that would go across the entire map (missiles also had infinite range which is an issue)
S3 is a much more aggressive and fighting game where in splatoon 2 you would sit back and get specials to use in the fight first. A lotta weapons like jet schelcher in splatoon 2 just sat back and painted the entire match to get special and never really killed people or interacted much.
If they wanted to fix splatoon 2 we needed a new game unless you wanna delete all the splatoon 2 specials that aren't in 3 and add the new s3 ones, then what happens to the weapon kits with the deleted specials? If we are going that far to delete specials from the game, we aren't really playing the same game anymore and you're also taking away the old game so people can't play it anymore. Yay!
I'm sure there's some other back end things that you literally couldn't do in splatoon 2 with lighting and physics and maybe other tech stuff too. The whole online system of s3 (NPLN) is different than 2 for good or worse and the lobby changes were mentioned too that would be really hard or impossible to put in splatoon 2.
Sorry I'm a competitive splatoon player I care way to much about the game than most casuals do.
Also the same dev team makes animal crossing btw.
I think some of the magic that splatoon as a series has is that its a full experience to have as the game develops splatfests and live updates go by like a music festival or show that you dont wanna miss and you just had to be there because the magic isnt the same when watched through a video. I think thats a very big draw for people to rush in on a new game or sequel because the series is very self referential with its lore and plot points that are completely player developed. Its a fun time and Ive seen tons of people jump into 3 because they missed out on Splatoon 2 during its live update years
I’m so, SO glad you made this video. I’ve been of this opinion for quite some time, but I never successfully found the right way to articulate it. This video is exactly how I would put it.
I’m also incredibly glad you made this because we now have a major voice with a casual perspective expressing these specific ideas, which just so helpful for us when people throw out the “it’s just for competitive players” and “just update the game” arguments
As someone who had heard about Splatoon for years and had a switch after 2 had been out for sometime, the release of 3 was what finally got me to pull the trigger on the series. (All-be it almost a year after it came out)
Now I own both 2&3 and have over 350+ hours in 3, it’s just such a fun game with a wonderful community~
I think they're waiting until the DLC comes out to get new numbers. There may be some people who waitied for the DLC to get a copy. Or forgot about it, but will be reminded by the release.
I remember playing some kind of demo of Splatoon 2 earlier in the Switch's life. I enjoyed what I played, but couldn't afford to buy it then. By the time I could spend the money on Splatoon I thought ''it's already kind of late to enter that game, so I'll just wait for the next entry even if that is on the next system'', but then Splatoon 3 came and I saw the opportunity to jump into the series, and I did. And I really enjoy Splatoon 3 (sometimes it makes me angry, but that's beside the point...)
Splatoon 3 being announced actually made me buy splatoon 2! After seeing the trailer and being awed, I finally gave in and got 2 since I’d wanted it since well before I had a switch. I loved 2 so much I HAD to buy 3. I’m glad I did that cuz I got a good couple hundred hours of fun from it in the year before Splatoon 3, and it made me even more hype for 3.
You could wait for the Side Order DLC and then do a review of both!