Zavok Sucks & How To Fix Him (and the deadly six)

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  • @shroomer8294
    @shroomer8294 3 роки тому +114

    Always felt weird it wasn’t the deadly seven. Like if you’re gonna go with generic singular trait characters go all out and base them on the 7 deadly sins.

    • @bugonboris6681
      @bugonboris6681 2 роки тому +22

      I'm guessing it was becouse Egg Man was meant to be the 7th sin, but I do admit it would be cool to have a 7th Zeti partially becouse it's hard to tell which sins they represent besides the obvious ones like Zomon being Gluttony and Zor being Sloth.

    • @mega6662
      @mega6662 2 роки тому +7

      @@bugonboris6681
      Zeena lust
      Zazz envy
      Zavok wrath
      Master zit (I’m not sure)

    • @KiiBon
      @KiiBon 2 роки тому +6

      @@mega6662 Zik could be pride

    • @PGbutalsofourteenplus
      @PGbutalsofourteenplus Рік тому +4

      I ALWAYS caled them The seven deadly six
      (No literary ,Like seriously That They'er name)

    • @jettlucashayes8508
      @jettlucashayes8508 Рік тому +7

      could just say Zavok killed one of them to make the others obey him, in the idw comics he is pretty ruthless literally snapping a dudes neck.

  • @lnsflare1
    @lnsflare1 3 роки тому +55

    I would have made the Zavok that confronted Sonic in his cell be the real Zavok, who defeated and replaced his doppelganger in order to release Sonic out of sheer spite towards Eggman, and to help free the world so that he can take it over later on.
    Maybe have the Deadly Six join the freedom fighters and use their technopathy to help fight Eggman's forces (to limited effect, because it doesn't work on the Phantom Ruby clones and Eggman's current tech has been shielded against it after Lost World, and have them betray Sonic and company during the last battle and make it Eggman/Infinite/Metal Sonic vs. Modern Sonic/Classic Sonic (or, for preference, Modern Tails)/Rookie vs. The Deadly Six in a three way battle royale. Perhaps have them split into separate sub boss battles (like Infinite vs. Avatar vs. Girl/Emo) before merging back into a more scripted free for all.

    • @jettlucashayes8508
      @jettlucashayes8508 Рік тому +2

      he's too over powered in forces since the Zeti can all take contorl of robots even including stuff like metal sonic.

    • @bubbykins4864
      @bubbykins4864 5 місяців тому

      ​@@jettlucashayes8508They said that Eggman's current tech would be shielded against it, limiting its power further than the deployment of Phantom copies already do.

  • @Mepphy99
    @Mepphy99 3 роки тому +46

    The way i see it Metal Sonic and Mephiles totally destroy the deadly six because of their facial and body language
    The deadly six are based on the deadly sins and that's It, they are Just One dimensional goofs.
    Which IDW fixes with their good art and composition and Ian Story ... So why Is It so Difficult for Sonic team to have them be good?
    Should they Just fire the writer? Yes

  • @Sovlstrr
    @Sovlstrr 3 роки тому +57

    Honestly the only reason I like the deadly six is because of the IDW Bad guy Series and alike. They really added some more character development to Zavok and Dr.Starline in the comics. But ya more the game was written badly.

    • @trickywickbow5536
      @trickywickbow5536 7 місяців тому

      I actually started to like the six because of the metal virus arc

  • @randomericthings7506
    @randomericthings7506 2 роки тому +50

    He has potential. He references honor a lot and seems to respect strong opponents.
    I feel like you could use those traits to craft an interesting villain.

    • @BJSolar02
      @BJSolar02 2 роки тому +4

      If only those traits were developed on more

    • @shubuman
      @shubuman Рік тому

      "honorable villains" are pretty fucking boring tbh

    • @thedoglovinggamer5825
      @thedoglovinggamer5825 Місяць тому

      @@shubumanNo they ain’t, they are often interesting since they will often crash out against other villains which could plunge everything into absolute ‘chaos’ and it is a nice contrast to other villains that adds a nice layer to the character.

  • @jamainegardner4193
    @jamainegardner4193 Рік тому +7

    I'm honestly quite surprised they never got the idea to make a merged Zeti for the climax of Lost World and have that be the recurring antagonist. That would even be a more threatening boss battle idea than mech Eggman has in the actual game, then they could save that one for Forces with the Phantom Ruby.

  • @Cr102y
    @Cr102y 3 місяці тому +2

    IDW Zavok is surprisingly quite good,if he ever shows up in a game again then they really should take some notes form that version.

  • @galaxycamerata
    @galaxycamerata Рік тому +3

    I feel like the way to work Zavok into something interesting is to take what he is right now and go FURTHER with him in both his behavior and the reality of his goals.
    Don't just have him be the brooding serious muscleman. Make him a full-on Shonen antagonist.
    Give him grandiose speeches of conquest and power that would make Eggman cringe. Give him more exaggerated body language that risks bowling over anyone near him. Give him close-ups and ridiculously analytical internal monologues, and have Sonic play off of it to TRY and make light of him, only to realize Zavok's bought into his own hype so thoroughly that he is just completely unaffected.
    And more crucially; Make him and the rest of the Zeti something that can make Eggman consistently worried about beyond their Technopathy because unlike him, they don't want to conquer the world to rule it, and don't get sidetracked by a compulsive need to cut eachother out of the deal at the last moment. They just want to be the strongest things around, whether that means an empire of robots, or a crater of ashes, and they can and will work together with minimal in-fighting because they've been an organized unit for untold years.
    Because that's one of the most interesting things about the Zeti. The scope of their plans doesn't reach Eggman's level of complexity and deception, but they are very good at STICKING to their plans. The only hiccups are typically caused by proactive interference on someone's part because waiting for an opening gets costly very fast compared to forcing a gap in their armor open, and it usually took more than just trying to get under their skin like Sonic could reliably do with Eggman because none of them are as insecure as him.
    And in that sense, that makes them a good counter to Sonic and his friends. They work together and are stronger for it, but their goal is full scorched-Earth.

  • @dagoon6326
    @dagoon6326 2 роки тому +10

    I still find it weird that they put chaos in the game but did nothing with him at all only for a mod to come out a year or so later doing more with chaos in 3 minutes than they have since generations

  • @1upGaming1up
    @1upGaming1up 3 роки тому +20

    While I think the Deadly Six have high potential the only thing holding them back is the writing, Sonic Lost World was written by Pontaff (whom are not the worst IMO that goes to Ken Penders), This is because Pontaff had no knowledge on Sonic and only watched cutscenes of past games making the characters bland and boring, However like You said the IDW Comics is where the Deadly Six shines.
    Enter Ian Flynn when compare to Pontaff, Ian Flynn knows the ins and outs of the Sonic Characters like Sonic being cocky and acts before He thinks but knows when to be serious when the stakes are high I.E The Metal Virus saga and when the Zavok where in the IDW comics Zavok acted more like Freiza from Dragon Ball rather than "This is Zavok, Zavok is a bad guy stop Him" in the comics Zavok is intimidating, cunning and can possibly out smart Dr. Eggman. While I don't think He's the worst (I still think Infinite is the worst Sonic villain with Mephiles being behind Zavok interims of bad villain). With Pontaff gone maybe Sega can get Ian Flynn to write for the games and give Zavok the treatment He deserves

    • @Pyrochomper81632
      @Pyrochomper81632  3 роки тому +3

      Exactly, at this point they gotta know that the writing is a massive detriment to the games. The crazy thing is Ian didn't even have to do a massive reinvention or anything, the deadly six still mostly have that one trait of theirs but they're actually threatening and not bumbling idiots XD.
      I really like Infinite in concept and design but again his execution is awful which is really unfortunate.
      Mephiles could have worked, he certainly feels like a genuine threat and doesn't act idiotic but he's surrounded by 06 and all it's problems.
      Praying so goddamn hard that they finally got the message on the writing for Rangers.

    • @1upGaming1up
      @1upGaming1up 3 роки тому +3

      @@Pyrochomper81632 I feel like if Sega want's to bring back the Deadly Six why not gave Sonic another go at an RPG from Atlus (Sonic RPG: Curse of the Deadly Six) Sonic Lost World there's just there where as villains like Chaos and even Black Doom had interesting back stories where as Sonic Lost World there're just there. Explain why They have Magnokinesis Maybe give them connections with the Gizoids and Emerl and how they got banished to the Lost Hex and the origins of the Lost Hex.
      The reason why I think that the Zetis should have connections with the Gizoids is because of the whole Ken Penders Bullsh*t and how Sega can't use Shade anymore

  • @charmyzard
    @charmyzard Рік тому +1

    That thumbnail cracked me up for a whopping 10 minutes when I saw the crying cat eyes.
    It's just great.

  • @kashsmith6181
    @kashsmith6181 Рік тому +3

    The Deadly Six, but especially the (fake) villain group in Forces, feels a lot like Sinister Six from Spider-Man. It's a common trope that most hero focused series use when their rogues gallery is expanded enough. Even Jimmy Neutron did it. In that, Zavok kinda feels like the Kraven the hunter of Sonic's rogues here; despite them being almost nothing alike, he just FEELS like Kraven amongst those other iconic villains. Difference is that Kraven is a very good character.

  • @HungryWarden
    @HungryWarden Рік тому +2

    Honestly, if they were going to be one dimensional villains, I would’ve liked to see their powers and themed levels play into it a lot more. For example, I think it could be really interesting if Zor was able to really make Sonic regret his actions and impulses. After all, it seems like throughout most Sonic games, Sonic is just always optimistic and ready to take on anything. This would actually make a lot of sense, as by the time you reach Silent Forest, the world where you fight Zor, Tails has been captured, and he still loathes working with Eggman. I also think that they sort of picked the wrong stereotype for Zeena to play into, because she could’ve been a manipulative character, seeing as how she seems to flirt with Sonic in several cutscenes.

    • @HungryWarden
      @HungryWarden Рік тому +1

      As for the other characters, they need to interact with each other more and be more destructive.

  • @Romashka_Sov
    @Romashka_Sov Рік тому +3

    Lesson we all made: just go read IDW comics, it is good

  • @rickyrackey7930
    @rickyrackey7930 2 роки тому +7

    I am amazed IDW can turn an unnecessary bad guy into something better.

    • @carlosbleu7396
      @carlosbleu7396 Рік тому +1

      A prove that they can be good if they are well written.

    • @comicbookreviewer4856
      @comicbookreviewer4856 Рік тому

      That the thing Ian flynn knows what to do with the deadly Six and him making Zavok a danger shows he knows what can happen when he puts his powers to good use

    • @carlosbleu7396
      @carlosbleu7396 Рік тому

      Yes, and I wonder if they will appear again in the main serie or not with a better character work (it isn't necessary but still a supposition).

    • @rickyrackey7930
      @rickyrackey7930 Рік тому

      If they do return, I think it would be cool if it opens up with Zavok monologing on how they have been the butt of the joke for too long and now it’s time to show their true colors.

    • @carlosbleu7396
      @carlosbleu7396 Рік тому

      Yes or finding a way to link them to a major situation that Sonic experienced once (like Sonic frontiers mostly did with Sonic adventure 1). For example, they can explain they weren't able to use their full power in Sonic lost world because of the effects still present of the cacophonic conch despite the great power they received by the Dr Eggman's machine.

  • @assaultgaming6614
    @assaultgaming6614 Рік тому

    That’s the thing about people like starline always thinking their two steps ahead when the key to really defeating one’s opponent is the allow them to think they are two steps and then once bam!!!!

  • @localdude2979
    @localdude2979 Рік тому +1

    Zavok could have been a black arms alien man that could havd been so cool

  • @metalviper1095
    @metalviper1095 3 роки тому +4

    oh new outro, me like (maybe i didnt see previous vids that it showed up in but shut up)

    • @Pyrochomper81632
      @Pyrochomper81632  3 роки тому +2

      Have it since like the beginning of the year but I'll ignore it xD

  • @myleswelnetz6700
    @myleswelnetz6700 Рік тому +1

    They are perfectly fine as they are. If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.

  • @tatianas1584
    @tatianas1584 Рік тому +1

    Deadly Six are the Deadly Sins! They are cool!

  • @trickywickbow5536
    @trickywickbow5536 7 місяців тому +2

    I cannot believe IDW took some mid villains and made them into actual good villains

  • @iket.v2554
    @iket.v2554 Рік тому +1

    why doesn't shadow take off his rings during the last battle like he did in sonic 06?

  • @ryarod
    @ryarod Рік тому +1

    I'm only 0:50. I want to get an opinion in.
    In my opinion, humorous-toned Sonic games should eventually be tried again - just with a lot of conditions that Pontac and Graff didn't bother to apply, like consistent writing and character personalities, and actually good, brain-teasing humor and a point in the jokes.
    In my opinion, the Deadly 6 could intentionally be written in such games to parody - not rip off, but *parody* - Nintendo in both benign and audacious ways. With this, the weakness of Sonic Lost World being an intended Mario competitor could be turned into a strength. It could also subliminally bring back Sega's aggressive head-butting marketing model from the 90's.

    • @ryarod
      @ryarod Рік тому

      Now, to continue listening to you. Thank you for reading if you have done so.

  • @fightingmedialounge519
    @fightingmedialounge519 2 роки тому +3

    I always found it silly that people complained about how one dimensional they were when several popular villains from different series are also fairly one note(it could even be argued that Eggman was one of those villains in the first three games). The issue is that unlike said villains, the deadly six don't significantly impact sonic or his world in any way.

  • @stardogsmasher6217
    @stardogsmasher6217 Рік тому +3

    Zavok and the "Deadly" Six, are I personally call them the Bland Stereotype 6 are a bunch of characters I HATE with the deep passion, given how Zavok in is forcefully returning in games that nobody wants him back in, main game or spin off. As for their IDW counterparts, I do not care about them there either they're pretty bad to begin with especially after Lost World was released. So how would I fix him? Simple, I DON'T and SCRAP him and his family to the sideline of obscurity. The Zeti are best to be forgotten and here's a summary of my thoughts of Zavok in general:
    Zavok: Let's keep this quick, Sega.
    Sega: Ah, well, far be it from me to keep the superstar Zeti from his busy social schedule. (chuckles) I just have one question for you.
    Zavok: Okay, shoot.
    Sega: Would you like to buy an Zavok video game? How about an Zavok lunch box, action figure, movie rights, collectible trading cards? Zavok is the perfectly manufactured celebrity straight from the presses of the Sega media empire. So tell me, why is it that I can't give this stuff away?!
    Zavok: Well, uh-
    Sega: Don't answer that. Let me take a wild guess... It's because my fans can't stand Zavok! He's a pompous (censored) with a charisma of Mobian nut cheese!
    Zavok: So, what are you saying exactly?
    Sega: Zip it, wonder boy! The little Billies and Susies of the world are spending a trillion rings a day on worthless swag and I'm completely cut out of the market! Either you start selling this junk or I'll find someone who will. Now get out of my sight!

  • @keishareginahoestiawan5834
    @keishareginahoestiawan5834 3 роки тому +4

    Cute zavok so so so so funny

  • @FaZeripioeoo2
    @FaZeripioeoo2 Рік тому

    I feel like the deadly 6 had some potential I feel like where to 1st start off is a redesign they look to cuddly and they don't look like they belong in sonic so maybe give em some scale's make em look a lil like aliens but still fit in the world of sonic another thing it to base there designs off the 7 deadly sins zavok would be wrath,Zik would be pride,Zazz would be envy,The fat one would be glutton,Zor sloth and zeena lust so like give zor a cape or something maybe a design like obanni from demon slayer, give zeena a more revealing type outfit I mean look how they designed rouge who tf cares a idea for zeena is to make her have really long nails idk maybe make em poisoned or sum. Honestly a cool idea is make em a mixture between the 7 deadly sins from full metal and the upper moons from demon slayer have em each have there own unique and powerful abilities. Maybe have a ranking system like the upper moons like it would go zavok,Zik and zazz as the top 3 and I feel like this could add more to zeena someone who may not be all there due to physical strength but manipulates people like the fat one and zor thought it could be interesting if zor was secretly romantic and a poet having a crush on zeema and sending her poems and love letters which zeena uses to her advantage. I feel like they also need more backstory like maybe once zik stepped doen as leader zavok and zazz fought to see who would be leader and zavok won which would make zazz envy zavok being a little rebellious but obeys due to his respect for zik make em like a lil like akaza. Something that I thought could be interesting but would never happen is you know how there's 7 sins but there only 6 what if scourge the hedgehog joined the em being greed I feel like the interactions he would have would be cool like scourge could try hitting on zeena which would make zor furious give scourge and zeena a hisoka and machi type interactions eventually scourge would leave the the deadly 6 and would start hunting em down idk just ideas I thought would be cool lmao

    • @VizzmyPop
      @VizzmyPop 8 місяців тому

      Zeena isn't lust though, she is Vanity

  • @duckman2480
    @duckman2480 Рік тому +1

    First time playing it I thought you had to jump to beat zavok so I spent an hour trying to beat the boss

    • @Pyrochomper81632
      @Pyrochomper81632  Рік тому

      Oh same here, spent like 15 minutes on it cause I thought the boss was bugged.

  • @thesplatooanima8231
    @thesplatooanima8231 Рік тому +1

    I think, the Creator of this Video didn't acknowledge Speed Battle.... I mean, it is a Forgettable Mobile Sequel to Sonic Dash, set in Sonic Forces and has Zavok, Zass and Zeena playable

  • @fa_cry
    @fa_cry Місяць тому

    Los deadly six en idw digo se que quisieron arreglarlos pero leyendo de nuevo me preguntaba de verdad estos son villanos o payasos ya que en el arco del metal virus son derrotados muy facil y ni hablemos de zavok forma gigante ese aspecto intimidante y aterrador no aguanto para nada sobre en su propio arco zeti hunt que son derrotados pateticamente al igual que su lider eso quiere decir que aun no han arreglado a los zetis sobretodo a zavok

  • @shadowlycan3970
    @shadowlycan3970 2 роки тому +3

    Unfortunately I will never like the Deadly Six, I skipped Lost World cause those guys look like a complete set of McDonald's Happy Meal Toys, they will never be great for me especially how they keep getting shoved in your face.

  • @thefastesthedgehog6795
    @thefastesthedgehog6795 Рік тому +2

    How to fix zavok read idw

  • @SerialDesignationN_Dogsarecute
    @SerialDesignationN_Dogsarecute 2 роки тому

    remember tails shot the rest of the six

  • @Semy_04
    @Semy_04 2 роки тому +1

    Sega, please stop adding Zavok in almost every game now, I'm glad he's not in the upcoming game.

    • @robertwildschwein7207
      @robertwildschwein7207 Рік тому +1

      Sega needs to create Sonic Lost World 2, where Zavok and the Zeti return, defeat Robotnki and take over the world. Luckily, Sonic is the chosen one who can pull the Excalibur out of the rock and has to beat all the deadly 6 with it.

    • @shubuman
      @shubuman Рік тому +2

      @@robertwildschwein7207 that sounds terrible

    • @ninlaw9810
      @ninlaw9810 Рік тому +1

      @@robertwildschwein7207 sonic is already wieldet of excalibur and the deadly six were deafeated