I think the problem might just be the way these communities don't actually care about anyone as an artist. The work doesn't matter to them, except as pretty windowdressing for the real "content," which is an influencer/personality/imaginary friend. If you look at it with that mindset, then it doesn't matter if one of them ripped off the other one's "style," since the style of their actual content is totally different, like one's aspirational and the other's relatable or whatever the dynamics are. The far greater crime would be saying something even-remotely mean about one of the other imaginary friends, when the only reason anybody liked you in the first place was that they thought you were "nice." And, obviously, when your art is just painting a green line on your wall, it doesn't help.
I agree, the whole parasocial relationship thing. The braying mob is always going to take things into their own hands. Let's not allow these two strangers to work out their little spat like two adults, oh no! Let's get involved by brigading the offending party's socials, sending de@th threats and d0xxing. That will help matters...
6:27 on this point it's clear to me that "I didn't know that she was feeling like this" meant "I didn't know that this conflict was unresolved", like she thought after the DM exchange they were fine. I also have heard some claims that if you check the posting dates some of Kaaren's recent similar DIYS were started before Tay's videos on them came out. but otherwise yeah man exactly
man yeah the wallpaper company pulling her line is frustrating, it’s BECAUSE it’s a small business that they probably even looked at the situation from a personal perspective, it just kinda sucks
All this really puts into perspective the problems I have in my life versus what a lot of the people involved in this stuff have going on. Maybe I don't need to downplay my issues so much...
I will say that I’ve seen videos made showing some of Karin’s designs were made before Taylor’s, such as the moss mirror, and that many of Karin’s designs started as one thing but turned into another bc the first thing wasn’t turning out. It’s not a simple black and white “this creator copied this creator” and it’s overall just such a petty squabble to be blasted out to all of TikTok. Just the weirdest intercommunity discourse I’ve seen in a bit lol.
agree with this but also the moss mirror and the green blue palette situations were both shown to have been started by karin before taybeepboop posted her own versions of it. so like the point of 'ignoring and continuing to do it' i feel like isn't actually that strong, and i've interpreted the 'i didnt know she felt that way' as more of like. her thinking the dms were the end of it, since apart from the squiggles she did not purposefully follow any diys specifically. i think id be similarly Joker-like in tay's position. not only is having the same idea as someone else but being beaten to do it like HORRIBLY FRUSTRATING online since most of the time people will not pay the same attention to your effort because they've seen it before, it's got the economic side of it going on since the tiktoks are an income stream.
You pretty much summed up my thoughts on plagiarism to a T. They're competitors in the same genre on the same platform, so Kaarin mentioning who her inspirations come from would have been the courteous thing to do. It's a shame that a disagreement like this can snowball into dogpiling on social media.
THANK YOU. I was thinking the same thing, it's not "this person is using the same colors as me >:(" it's a interior decorator with a specific niche being upset that another creator is doing the exact same niche, which cuts in on her audience. Someone copying your niche who ends up getting just as popular off your ideas and niche is VERY frustrating, especially when it's your career.
@@BeeTeaBoiIt happens though, even in a 9-5 people will try to take credit for work you did. You can't control other people, but you can handle it with a lot more grace and professionalism than Tay did.
While it seems Tay has a reason to be upset, she definitely took it out the wrong way by making it a public affair by resorting to what's essentially a Tumblr callout post. Honestly the best course of action would have been to just ignore it and move on. When James Rolfe was once asked at a convention what he thought about Chris Bores ripping off his Angry Video Game Nerd videos with Irate Gamer, James acknowledged the situation in what I think is the ideal way of dealing with it "I have no reason to answer it. He pretty much pretends that i don't exist, so why would i feel the need to say anything about him?"
This is why I love the internet there are just insane microcosms of niche internet group dramas. This video is like watching the tip of an iceberg float past.
Too bad we didn't have Tik Tok back when Ralph Steadman (illustrator of Hunter S. Thompson) and Gerald Scarfe (illustrator of Pink Floyd's "The Wall") stopped being friends but continued using very similar drawing techniques.
OMG YES, the narcissism thing!! Person breaks up with you "what a narcissist", person disagrees with you over something that doesn't even matter? "they are a narcissist". Person calls you out for a behaviour that was harming yourself or someone else. Well obviously they are a "huge narcissist". Someone has one bad day and acts like a bitch. "I always knew they were a narcissist". Or my favorite, a person sets a healthy boundary with you, "Why are you abusing me, you are a narcissist!" I have not been called one yet, but I see this all the time. The over abundance of people mis-using therapy speak has really gotten out of hand. There are real narcissists out there people...and muddying the waters of the real definition of narcissism only makes it harder for real narcissts to be called out or stopped.
You're still part of the problem. "Real narcissists who need to be called out or stopped"... people with a debilitating, often chronic mental illness? You're still treating narcissist as a synonym for abuser and acting like you're better than the people who are a bit more flimsy about it isn't smart or cute
also poverty is a really weird thing. people can be cash rich and savings poor. people in mobile home parks can own corvettes. people with lots of money in bonds can be cash poor. it looks different on everyone and we may as well unite on our similarities than let the differences drive us apart.
Expecting an apology and then not accepting said apology seems on the nose for the way that the internet has streamlined the "cancel culture" cycle. (i know the term cancel culture is contentious i just dont know what else to call it) People mess up and make mistakes (and this one seems rather tame with low stakes, and shes partially in the right anyway) but the internet just wants someone to pillory. Once the tide was against her she didnt stand a chance and i feel really sorry for her.
@@BugEyedFreak1111 tay tay cleeeeaaaaarly had the og steeze and this wannabe came in and jacked her very distinct style for clout. completely unforgivable
@@Heyu7her3oh, I'm aware. I was just being flippant because the style she stole was not original to the other person and overall they're small potato arguments so I was just having a wee bit of fun.
I enjoyed listening to you talk about diy tiktoker drama for 24 minutes very much. Also when i saw the former friends video i actually laughed & thought i was watching a satire vid for a second when she mentioned her video about the woods & tays bedroom lol bc it was such a reach, only to then realise she was actually being serious about that part 😭
and kaarin would have had to start those projects at least a few days earlier than when she posted those videos, so she probably came up with the idea on her own. I don't think Tay's complaints hold any water there. she should have checked when things were posted. And complaining about her using her wallpaper? that's ridiculous. you sell it for people to use.
@@mothcub I did, and I agree none of this should have happened in public. This all got way bigger than it should have, and here we are weeks later still talking about it when no one even copied anyone
Everything is reference on reference. This is as much a copyright infringement/ plagiarism as Phoebe Bridgers song is to an Elliot Smith song. Making DIY content should inspire others to make similar things ( I understand the issue is with a creator monetizing, not on people doing her DIYs)- acknowledging the inspiration would be right thing to do though. Especially funny on tiktok, a medium almost completely reliant on replication and memes. If they were irl interior design/ decorator competitors in the same city this would be a different conversation. The original content creator is a *big* content creator, would also feel differently if this were someone with less of an audience and zero credit
My parents also have a ton of money. They have never helped me financially once I moved out outside of buying like a microwave. This includes when me and my ex's car broke and since they needed it to keep their job, their mother gave us a loan from the savings that they needed for fixing their broken boiler. It also includes vet bills to try to save my cat's life that I couldn't pay so the cat was euthanized. Meanwhile my parents are sitting in their new hot tub like "Sorry dear, money's a little tight this month". Sure it's their money they make the decision they want, it'd be just nice to be included on that list for a change. I was a semi-rich kid and I've lived in poverty the last 9 years. We don't all get generous parents.
@@mothcub Yeah. To be fair I was warned that even if I had the money it was likely they'd not find anything that'd save it, it had some weird mystery illness. But still, I'd rather at least know what was going on than forever wonder if I could have saved the cat had I just had enough money. Anyway, sorry for the bummer comment, I really enjoyed your video
There has to be some larger force making ppl act like this im perplexed and kind of scared. Not just the people doing the videos but the people who don't have any real relationship to them making little comments trying to get them to perform some kind of display of contrition.
You know, it really seems like the issue is that, if you're going to run a DIY channel, you either need to bring your own projects to the table, or loudly and publicly state that you are doing a project inspired by someone else, with redirect info, when that's the case. Which it clearly was? I mean... Tay isn't wrong. The whole is stupid by inclusion of the public, but between the two of them, Tay has genuine grievance and whatserface isn't respecting the unspoken inspiration contract artists have.
This is a well-made and captivating video for something I would not want to touch with a football-field length pole. Edited to add: the concept of "evil bitch disorder" is a genuinely helpful thinking tool for how we approach humans and I thank you for your breakthrough.
I'm grateful for your compassion towards Tay in this video. I think it's unfortunate that there aren't more tiktoks out there in defense of Tay, or showing any empathy. I found maybe 4, which is nothing compared to all the videos defending Kaarin (while being kinda mean and nasty about it). Unfortunate because it seems that people refuse to see any nuance, to even try to understand her perspective, but chose to make her a villain because she didn't handle this well and Kaarin is.... a nice girl.
Empathy? For a non-empathizer? 😂 The videos I've seen definitely disprove some of the claims here, such as how she wasn't being copied for many of the mentioned projects since they were developed & publicized before Tay posted them. 🤷🏽♀️
As a writer and visual artist this story makes me insane. I can’t imagine losing a business deal because someone else plagiarized you and you got (rightly, imho!) upset about it. Like “oh we won’t sell your prints anymore because you called someone else out for selling your work unauthorized”. Bizarro world rules in effect to be sure.
If you open a market stall and sell bird themed stained glass, and another person sells fish themed stained glass, then there's no issue despite it both being stained glass. It caters to different niches, and you will have similar but different audiences. Both lovers of stained glass, but one audience prefers birds, and one prefers fish. But if you open your bird stained glass market stall, and then a couple months later someone else opens a bird themed stained glass market stall, and a lot of the designs are similar, then it becomes an issue. As that person is cutting in on your audience, and causing you to lose money. Now imagine you confront that person and say, "Hey, I've been doing bird stained glass for a while now, and a lot of your designs look like mine, could you stop selling bird stained glass here?" Because you want them to either do their own thing, or just go to a different market so they're not taking your customers. Now imagine after saying that, their customers and some of your customers, and even a lot of bystanders start to get mad and verbally berate you because "you said this artist can't use birds in their art! Does everyone need permission to draw birds now??" And that's this whole situation, but it's a social media interior designer's designs being taken by another social media interior designer. They can both be colorful and quirky interior designers, that is a wide enough niche that they can have similar but different audiences. It's the "one person made a design and shared it online, and the other did the same design a week later without any credit, and got just as popular off of it." One person is creating the design themselves, and the other is using the design and not crediting it. Like I'm sorry, but "green squiggle art wall" or "every single inch of my room is a different gradient" is NOT a common DIY idea. We're not talking about "she painted her cabinets after I painted mine :(".
"It becomes an issue" No it doesn't lol. Like if no one could sell anything after someone else sold it everything would be a monopoly. Like I collect small glass animals and whenever I go to a fair with multiple lampworkers who make them, I usually buy 1 from each artist. Online artists are so obsessed with the idea that if someone else is getting attention it's at their expense, when even in a vacuum it's entirely possible no one would like their shit. But it's easier to blame other people and throw a tantrum that to make art.
Yeah, from the first drama clip from Tay I was convinced Tay has a point here. Clearly using her ideas. Not sure that _requires_ credit in the DIY creator space, but I think that would've been nice of the other creator to do.
It's a tale as old as humans have been a thing. An opposition is started splitting the people into two groups blindly defending what they think is right and blindly attacking what they believe is wrong. I came into this video thinking that I disliked Tay because I only saw one side of the argument and chose to blindly believe what was being said on my for you page. But after watching this video, I have yet again come back to the realisation that I have to think for myself and I have to actively seek out information to actually have a valid opinion on topics such as these.
I'm late and recently went down this rabbithole. I think if Kaarin would have just mentioned in her videos (right off the bat) where she got her ideas/inspo from then this drama could have been avoided. It's so obvious Kaarin did not come up with these ideas herself, so why not just give Tay credit in her videos? (maybe unless you want all the credit? I dunno) If you are on social media and making money off of this, then give credit to the creator you took ideas from. Seems so easy🙄.
I really don't care about this. This story or the moral or societal implications don't even raise my interest. Drama bores me to tears. I just like how you tell stories.
these content creators need to learn that some things should be in the dark I don't think anyone needed to know about credit card debt via economically irresponsible parents or the fact that some girl hates her former hs friend
I don't think those things are really comparable tbh, Taylor talking about being defrauded by her mother is conpletely normal and there were tons of people in the comments of that video who felt comforted by it because their parents did similar financially controlling or abusive things to them.
@@mothcub when you put it that way i can understand why people post things like that(but the girl sending hate on taylor for no reason is still very much unreasonable)
Monster heads have been a thing since forever, if u ever been a diy person and u been on Pinterest said ideas are more than 10 years old, is just that these ideas kinda stayed within the diy sphere until a person outside the sphere talked about the drama
as mentioned in the answer before, monster heads are pretty much a thing and as mentioned in the video, multicolored originally designed monster heads are not the same as dinosaur heads painted in one solid color. Maybe the gallery was inspired by tay's, since inspiration was admitted in general but I don't think that's a total ripoff, in my opinion the whole theme of that gradient room is way more of a direct copy (which would also be fine if it were properly credited and stuff). And while I agree that the monster heads are pretty sick, I can't help but note that they look pretty much like they could be based on illustrations by Skinner.
The real funny thing is that the dinosaur head collection was from her old apartment. The ticktok was of Karin putting them up in her new house... So one could argue that she had a 'gallery wall' long before Tay.
I'm kinda sick of internet people saying plagiarism as if they discovered the cure for cancer. as if """""originality""""""" in itself is worth anything.
It's interesting that you're positioning originality as meaningfully important here IF it meets the condition that the idea itself meets a certain level of extreme social significance, especially because whoever creates the cure for a major disease almost inevitably will not have that cure be massively attributed to them among the general population who use it. But also, because originality or attribution does matter to most (if not all) of the people who are against Tay here. It matters enough that it's extremely important to say that her ideas weren't original in the first place (it's owned nuanced topic that I didn't get into in thos vid)
I should've click "do not recommended this channel" earlier, thanks for reminded I was still subscribed to this channel, tell me you haven't been to Pinterest without telling me that, these idea are YEARS old before any of those creators ever had a platform, also Mia Mulder is way better than u would ever be
@@mothcub I love how you ignored all my comment and only responded to the last part, it is very evident what touch a nerve the most ♥️ have a beautiful day/night sweetie
I honestly think the idea that creative concepts can be owned at all needs to be challenged more aggressively. As a matter of principle, I think this kind of copying is just fine. The copier here should've been open and unapologetic about it instead of lying and deflecting, but what are we even doing if we're supposedly trying to inspire others, but also monopolizing and claiming ownership of that inspiration? Ultimately, creators shouldn't be considered entitled to an audience or credit or profit. That's a controversial statement, but there are no shortage of creators in it for passion and fun and boredom other miscellaneous correct reasons. As the ultimate consumers of these ideas and videos, why shouldn't we adopt a morality that leads to the greatest copying and mixing and general creativity? There's already too much content for us to ever consume, and even if a number of creators leave because the space becomes inherently unprofitable, that will still be true. The internet would benefit from a return to a space where ordinary people share ideas because they can, not because they want to build a brand. Let plagiarism reign. It's better that way.
I'm only at 8:22, so sorry if you address this later - but do you think part of the issue is that the one who supposedly copied has more followers that the one who posted that gobblydgook first? Could we say that an element of the public blasting likely had less to do with the level of offense she thought the "copier" perpetrated and more to do with, "hey all you people who are following this one should be following ME because i do all that stuff first and "better" because my boyfriend's monster heads are cooler?" They both have a fairly crap ton of followers, so maybe it doesn't really apply here. But there can be an issue for small content creators getting their ideas ripped off by those with a lot of followers desperate to stay relevant and collect add revenue or good algorithm or whatever their goal is that ultimately ends in fame and money and blatantly take the ideas of "the lil guy" without acknowledging them. And the small content creators don't get any of the notoriety or compensation of the "big fella." Just a thought...
I think the problem might just be the way these communities don't actually care about anyone as an artist. The work doesn't matter to them, except as pretty windowdressing for the real "content," which is an influencer/personality/imaginary friend. If you look at it with that mindset, then it doesn't matter if one of them ripped off the other one's "style," since the style of their actual content is totally different, like one's aspirational and the other's relatable or whatever the dynamics are. The far greater crime would be saying something even-remotely mean about one of the other imaginary friends, when the only reason anybody liked you in the first place was that they thought you were "nice."
And, obviously, when your art is just painting a green line on your wall, it doesn't help.
I agree, the whole parasocial relationship thing. The braying mob is always going to take things into their own hands. Let's not allow these two strangers to work out their little spat like two adults, oh no! Let's get involved by brigading the offending party's socials, sending de@th threats and d0xxing. That will help matters...
"Can no one just do something wrong anymore? Do we have to diagnose everyone with Evil Bitch Disorder? " Absolutely brilliant, fantastic video
6:27 on this point it's clear to me that "I didn't know that she was feeling like this" meant "I didn't know that this conflict was unresolved", like she thought after the DM exchange they were fine. I also have heard some claims that if you check the posting dates some of Kaaren's recent similar DIYS were started before Tay's videos on them came out. but otherwise yeah man exactly
man yeah the wallpaper company pulling her line is frustrating, it’s BECAUSE it’s a small business that they probably even looked at the situation from a personal perspective, it just kinda sucks
I mean i have to assume weirdos were sending them emails demanding that they do something about this outrage.
She took a business's actual cake & replicated it on a wallpaper for profit... but is mad about "lifting ideas"
@@Heyu7her3No you see when Tay replicates something else she sees in her own way it's "inspiration"
All this really puts into perspective the problems I have in my life versus what a lot of the people involved in this stuff have going on. Maybe I don't need to downplay my issues so much...
I will say that I’ve seen videos made showing some of Karin’s designs were made before Taylor’s, such as the moss mirror, and that many of Karin’s designs started as one thing but turned into another bc the first thing wasn’t turning out. It’s not a simple black and white “this creator copied this creator” and it’s overall just such a petty squabble to be blasted out to all of TikTok. Just the weirdest intercommunity discourse I’ve seen in a bit lol.
agree with this but also the moss mirror and the green blue palette situations were both shown to have been started by karin before taybeepboop posted her own versions of it. so like the point of 'ignoring and continuing to do it' i feel like isn't actually that strong, and i've interpreted the 'i didnt know she felt that way' as more of like. her thinking the dms were the end of it, since apart from the squiggles she did not purposefully follow any diys specifically. i think id be similarly Joker-like in tay's position. not only is having the same idea as someone else but being beaten to do it like HORRIBLY FRUSTRATING online since most of the time people will not pay the same attention to your effort because they've seen it before, it's got the economic side of it going on since the tiktoks are an income stream.
I'm glad mothcub's longest video ever is about the housing crisis
I am a taybeepboop believer
can't wait to hear little Joel's thoughts on this issue
ratio+littlejoel better
The truth is out there… 🛸
stoopoo doopoo kinda freaky ngl
Stoopoo doopoo respecters club
You pretty much summed up my thoughts on plagiarism to a T. They're competitors in the same genre on the same platform, so Kaarin mentioning who her inspirations come from would have been the courteous thing to do.
It's a shame that a disagreement like this can snowball into dogpiling on social media.
THANK YOU. I was thinking the same thing, it's not "this person is using the same colors as me >:(" it's a interior decorator with a specific niche being upset that another creator is doing the exact same niche, which cuts in on her audience. Someone copying your niche who ends up getting just as popular off your ideas and niche is VERY frustrating, especially when it's your career.
@@BeeTeaBoiIt happens though, even in a 9-5 people will try to take credit for work you did. You can't control other people, but you can handle it with a lot more grace and professionalism than Tay did.
While it seems Tay has a reason to be upset, she definitely took it out the wrong way by making it a public affair by resorting to what's essentially a Tumblr callout post.
Honestly the best course of action would have been to just ignore it and move on.
When James Rolfe was once asked at a convention what he thought about Chris Bores ripping off his Angry Video Game Nerd videos with Irate Gamer, James acknowledged the situation in what I think is the ideal way of dealing with it
"I have no reason to answer it. He pretty much pretends that i don't exist, so why would i feel the need to say anything about him?"
This is why I love the internet there are just insane microcosms of niche internet group dramas. This video is like watching the tip of an iceberg float past.
People cancel people so they can feel like they're good people while being spiteful and malicious.
Too bad we didn't have Tik Tok back when Ralph Steadman (illustrator of Hunter S. Thompson) and Gerald Scarfe (illustrator of Pink Floyd's "The Wall") stopped being friends but continued using very similar drawing techniques.
Damn, true
OMG YES, the narcissism thing!! Person breaks up with you "what a narcissist", person disagrees with you over something that doesn't even matter? "they are a narcissist". Person calls you out for a behaviour that was harming yourself or someone else. Well obviously they are a "huge narcissist". Someone has one bad day and acts like a bitch. "I always knew they were a narcissist". Or my favorite, a person sets a healthy boundary with you, "Why are you abusing me, you are a narcissist!" I have not been called one yet, but I see this all the time. The over abundance of people mis-using therapy speak has really gotten out of hand. There are real narcissists out there people...and muddying the waters of the real definition of narcissism only makes it harder for real narcissts to be called out or stopped.
You're still part of the problem. "Real narcissists who need to be called out or stopped"... people with a debilitating, often chronic mental illness? You're still treating narcissist as a synonym for abuser and acting like you're better than the people who are a bit more flimsy about it isn't smart or cute
god i hate that fucking take that unless somebody grew up in destitute poverty they can't have struggled financially at some point in their life.
also poverty is a really weird thing. people can be cash rich and savings poor. people in mobile home parks can own corvettes. people with lots of money in bonds can be cash poor. it looks different on everyone and we may as well unite on our similarities than let the differences drive us apart.
@@Leafeon56 exactly!! it gives the same vibes as "if you're homeless then why do you have an iphone"
what shes describing is financial abuse and people of all class backgrounds can exp it. i had no idea her parents were so cruel to her. ugh
@ 8:26 him asking if they are real bristles so excited! I’m glad they found each other
diy dinosaur heads to credit card debt in 15 minutes. bravo
Expecting an apology and then not accepting said apology seems on the nose for the way that the internet has streamlined the "cancel culture" cycle. (i know the term cancel culture is contentious i just dont know what else to call it) People mess up and make mistakes (and this one seems rather tame with low stakes, and shes partially in the right anyway) but the internet just wants someone to pillory. Once the tide was against her she didnt stand a chance and i feel really sorry for her.
I entered this video being firmly anti-taybeepboop, but now I don’t know what to believe… Have you considered a career as a defense attorney?
Wild because I left this video being like "huh maybe tracing is okay if they're gonna compare this to tracing."
i feel at peace knowing that any beef i had with anyone, it was never as petty as this omg
this is the whitest discourse i've ever seen... and im here for it. im a tay tay head, how fucking dare she
How. What. What are you saying I don't understand
@@BugEyedFreak1111 tay tay cleeeeaaaaarly had the og steeze and this wannabe came in and jacked her very distinct style for clout. completely unforgivable
@@gray404 it's been proven that many of the other woman's projects were started & posted before hers
@@Heyu7her3oh, I'm aware. I was just being flippant because the style she stole was not original to the other person and overall they're small potato arguments so I was just having a wee bit of fun.
I enjoyed listening to you talk about diy tiktoker drama for 24 minutes very much. Also when i saw the former friends video i actually laughed & thought i was watching a satire vid for a second when she mentioned her video about the woods & tays bedroom lol bc it was such a reach, only to then realise she was actually being serious about that part 😭
Yeah this part honestly broke my psyche into eight different pieces that were scattered across the globe
>I invented having a plant in the shot, by the way. You can't copy me with that one.
Mothcub/Mia Mulder drama incoming?????
Tay's complaints really fall apart when you check timestamps though, Kaarin posted about at least the mirror and kitchen before Tay posted about hers
and kaarin would have had to start those projects at least a few days earlier than when she posted those videos, so she probably came up with the idea on her own. I don't think Tay's complaints hold any water there. she should have checked when things were posted. And complaining about her using her wallpaper? that's ridiculous. you sell it for people to use.
I see you have not yet seen the part of my video concerning the wallpaper :-)
@@mothcub I did, and I agree none of this should have happened in public. This all got way bigger than it should have, and here we are weeks later still talking about it when no one even copied anyone
@@mothcubyou ignored the good points the commenter made about you not doing enough research and focused on the wallpaper which is a none issue
Everything is reference on reference. This is as much a copyright infringement/ plagiarism as Phoebe Bridgers song is to an Elliot Smith song. Making DIY content should inspire others to make similar things ( I understand the issue is with a creator monetizing, not on people doing her DIYs)- acknowledging the inspiration would be right thing to do though. Especially funny on tiktok, a medium almost completely reliant on replication and memes. If they were irl interior design/ decorator competitors in the same city this would be a different conversation. The original content creator is a *big* content creator, would also feel differently if this were someone with less of an audience and zero credit
My parents also have a ton of money. They have never helped me financially once I moved out outside of buying like a microwave. This includes when me and my ex's car broke and since they needed it to keep their job, their mother gave us a loan from the savings that they needed for fixing their broken boiler. It also includes vet bills to try to save my cat's life that I couldn't pay so the cat was euthanized. Meanwhile my parents are sitting in their new hot tub like "Sorry dear, money's a little tight this month".
Sure it's their money they make the decision they want, it'd be just nice to be included on that list for a change. I was a semi-rich kid and I've lived in poverty the last 9 years. We don't all get generous parents.
Aw man, I'm so sorry about your cat. That's such a horrible situation to be put in.
@@mothcub Yeah. To be fair I was warned that even if I had the money it was likely they'd not find anything that'd save it, it had some weird mystery illness. But still, I'd rather at least know what was going on than forever wonder if I could have saved the cat had I just had enough money. Anyway, sorry for the bummer comment, I really enjoyed your video
You broke this down BEAUTIFULLY.
"I invented having a plant in the shot." - Mia Mulder would like to have a word... :)
I don't think Mia invented this but I guess we will see each other in court soon
I can't escape the humor of people arguing about some of the ugliest interior design choices I've ever seen
There has to be some larger force making ppl act like this im perplexed and kind of scared. Not just the people doing the videos but the people who don't have any real relationship to them making little comments trying to get them to perform some kind of display of contrition.
You know, it really seems like the issue is that, if you're going to run a DIY channel, you either need to bring your own projects to the table, or loudly and publicly state that you are doing a project inspired by someone else, with redirect info, when that's the case. Which it clearly was? I mean... Tay isn't wrong. The whole is stupid by inclusion of the public, but between the two of them, Tay has genuine grievance and whatserface isn't respecting the unspoken inspiration contract artists have.
This is a well-made and captivating video for something I would not want to touch with a football-field length pole. Edited to add: the concept of "evil bitch disorder" is a genuinely helpful thinking tool for how we approach humans and I thank you for your breakthrough.
I'm so glad you justified the jealousy people are saying she must have, I think we forget that its okay to be jealous
I'm grateful for your compassion towards Tay in this video. I think it's unfortunate that there aren't more tiktoks out there in defense of Tay, or showing any empathy. I found maybe 4, which is nothing compared to all the videos defending Kaarin (while being kinda mean and nasty about it). Unfortunate because it seems that people refuse to see any nuance, to even try to understand her perspective, but chose to make her a villain because she didn't handle this well and Kaarin is.... a nice girl.
Empathy? For a non-empathizer? 😂 The videos I've seen definitely disprove some of the claims here, such as how she wasn't being copied for many of the mentioned projects since they were developed & publicized before Tay posted them. 🤷🏽♀️
As a writer and visual artist this story makes me insane. I can’t imagine losing a business deal because someone else plagiarized you and you got (rightly, imho!) upset about it. Like “oh we won’t sell your prints anymore because you called someone else out for selling your work unauthorized”. Bizarro world rules in effect to be sure.
This is one of my favourite UA-cam videos
Let's go 24 min hahaha the longest video on this channel?? I'm stoked
Super thoughtful txtx for channel
Straight from the mind. Of a killer hahaha
I don't have tiktok or care about interior design, but I have now watched at 24 minute video about it and am emotionally invested in this drama.
I wish we had this level of depth in coverage for mid century interior designers
If you open a market stall and sell bird themed stained glass, and another person sells fish themed stained glass, then there's no issue despite it both being stained glass. It caters to different niches, and you will have similar but different audiences. Both lovers of stained glass, but one audience prefers birds, and one prefers fish.
But if you open your bird stained glass market stall, and then a couple months later someone else opens a bird themed stained glass market stall, and a lot of the designs are similar, then it becomes an issue. As that person is cutting in on your audience, and causing you to lose money.
Now imagine you confront that person and say, "Hey, I've been doing bird stained glass for a while now, and a lot of your designs look like mine, could you stop selling bird stained glass here?" Because you want them to either do their own thing, or just go to a different market so they're not taking your customers.
Now imagine after saying that, their customers and some of your customers, and even a lot of bystanders start to get mad and verbally berate you because "you said this artist can't use birds in their art! Does everyone need permission to draw birds now??"
And that's this whole situation, but it's a social media interior designer's designs being taken by another social media interior designer. They can both be colorful and quirky interior designers, that is a wide enough niche that they can have similar but different audiences. It's the "one person made a design and shared it online, and the other did the same design a week later without any credit, and got just as popular off of it." One person is creating the design themselves, and the other is using the design and not crediting it.
Like I'm sorry, but "green squiggle art wall" or "every single inch of my room is a different gradient" is NOT a common DIY idea. We're not talking about "she painted her cabinets after I painted mine :(".
"It becomes an issue" No it doesn't lol. Like if no one could sell anything after someone else sold it everything would be a monopoly. Like I collect small glass animals and whenever I go to a fair with multiple lampworkers who make them, I usually buy 1 from each artist.
Online artists are so obsessed with the idea that if someone else is getting attention it's at their expense, when even in a vacuum it's entirely possible no one would like their shit. But it's easier to blame other people and throw a tantrum that to make art.
im a big fan of you using specifically the ff8 model of cerberus
gotta cast three spells for the price of one innit xoxo
thank you, mothcub, for filming with a plant in the middle of the frame. really emphasizes the actual star of the video
this is all really trendy right now ..... Its the new white and beige with plants everywhere scandi inspired stuff
Yeah, from the first drama clip from Tay I was convinced Tay has a point here. Clearly using her ideas. Not sure that _requires_ credit in the DIY creator space, but I think that would've been nice of the other creator to do.
great video, though i believe some snobbish background jazz music would make it just a little better
That blue and green are Seattle Seahawk colors. There are loads of houses painted outside like that here. Ugly as hell.
How can a monster head be realistic if monsters aren't real, tho?
Easily
both of their designs are fug but that jewelry set you are wearing is so pretty
lolll ty 💕
the plant is beautiful
Do It Yourself! No, Not Like That!
PLEASE MAKE A SEXY KIRBY ANIMATION MY ROOMMATE IS IN HEAT
for kirby????????
it's done. ua-cam.com/users/shortsX0terp_Y3F8
1:58 🎶Lead me to the land🎶🎶that you understand🎶🎶Discourse man🎶
Having that tree in the shot is clearly copying from The Happening
Great stuff
Very good video
It's a tale as old as humans have been a thing. An opposition is started splitting the people into two groups blindly defending what they think is right and blindly attacking what they believe is wrong. I came into this video thinking that I disliked Tay because I only saw one side of the argument and chose to blindly believe what was being said on my for you page. But after watching this video, I have yet again come back to the realisation that I have to think for myself and I have to actively seek out information to actually have a valid opinion on topics such as these.
Poverty is pretty srs
Come on wallpaper company. She was mildly shitty online. Why you gonna cancel orders that were already paid for?
I'm late and recently went down this rabbithole. I think if Kaarin would have just mentioned in her videos (right off the bat) where she got her ideas/inspo from then this drama could have been avoided. It's so obvious Kaarin did not come up with these ideas herself, so why not just give Tay credit in her videos? (maybe unless you want all the credit? I dunno) If you are on social media and making money off of this, then give credit to the creator you took ideas from. Seems so easy🙄.
This is why I’m never getting a tiktok.
I will meticulously copy this video so you can make a call out video about me
Can't wait! :-)
can't believe u were doing this instead of responding to my beautiful 'me' tiktoks 😡😡
Genuinely feels like race plays a pert cos tay looks like a woc to me. There's really nothings shes done to deserve this vitriol or level of pushback.
I really don't care about this. This story or the moral or societal implications don't even raise my interest. Drama bores me to tears.
I just like how you tell stories.
these content creators need to learn that some things should be in the dark I don't think anyone needed to know about credit card debt via economically irresponsible parents or the fact that some girl hates her former hs friend
I don't think those things are really comparable tbh, Taylor talking about being defrauded by her mother is conpletely normal and there were tons of people in the comments of that video who felt comforted by it because their parents did similar financially controlling or abusive things to them.
@@mothcub when you put it that way i can understand why people post things like that(but the girl sending hate on taylor for no reason is still very much unreasonable)
Ah yes, let's all just ignore bad things in the world and let them fester in the dark. Good idea.
@@HOTD108_that's not what those words said goongus
Your indoor plant has more screen space than you do
that's because I respect and honour her
p lant
I actually found the monster heads the most egregious. It's the most unique thing and was oddly ripped off.
Monster heads have been a thing since forever, if u ever been a diy person and u been on Pinterest said ideas are more than 10 years old, is just that these ideas kinda stayed within the diy sphere until a person outside the sphere talked about the drama
as mentioned in the answer before, monster heads are pretty much a thing and as mentioned in the video, multicolored originally designed monster heads are not the same as dinosaur heads painted in one solid color. Maybe the gallery was inspired by tay's, since inspiration was admitted in general but I don't think that's a total ripoff, in my opinion the whole theme of that gradient room is way more of a direct copy (which would also be fine if it were properly credited and stuff).
And while I agree that the monster heads are pretty sick, I can't help but note that they look pretty much like they could be based on illustrations by Skinner.
The real funny thing is that the dinosaur head collection was from her old apartment. The ticktok was of Karin putting them up in her new house... So one could argue that she had a 'gallery wall' long before Tay.
I'm kinda sick of internet people saying plagiarism as if they discovered the cure for cancer. as if """""originality""""""" in itself is worth anything.
It's interesting that you're positioning originality as meaningfully important here IF it meets the condition that the idea itself meets a certain level of extreme social significance, especially because whoever creates the cure for a major disease almost inevitably will not have that cure be massively attributed to them among the general population who use it. But also, because originality or attribution does matter to most (if not all) of the people who are against Tay here. It matters enough that it's extremely important to say that her ideas weren't original in the first place (it's owned nuanced topic that I didn't get into in thos vid)
I should've click "do not recommended this channel" earlier, thanks for reminded I was still subscribed to this channel, tell me you haven't been to Pinterest without telling me that, these idea are YEARS old before any of those creators ever had a platform, also Mia Mulder is way better than u would ever be
oh my god you prefer a different youtube channel to mine oh nooo that really matters to me i'm crying and seething now. lol
@@mothcub I love how you ignored all my comment and only responded to the last part, it is very evident what touch a nerve the most ♥️ have a beautiful day/night sweetie
No need to be so rude
@@antonioalbul00 you somehow became more petty than the three white women in the video who hurt you
:)
I honestly think the idea that creative concepts can be owned at all needs to be challenged more aggressively. As a matter of principle, I think this kind of copying is just fine. The copier here should've been open and unapologetic about it instead of lying and deflecting, but what are we even doing if we're supposedly trying to inspire others, but also monopolizing and claiming ownership of that inspiration?
Ultimately, creators shouldn't be considered entitled to an audience or credit or profit. That's a controversial statement, but there are no shortage of creators in it for passion and fun and boredom other miscellaneous correct reasons. As the ultimate consumers of these ideas and videos, why shouldn't we adopt a morality that leads to the greatest copying and mixing and general creativity? There's already too much content for us to ever consume, and even if a number of creators leave because the space becomes inherently unprofitable, that will still be true. The internet would benefit from a return to a space where ordinary people share ideas because they can, not because they want to build a brand.
Let plagiarism reign. It's better that way.
Are you imitating Mia Mulder? 👀
As I’ve heard somewhere else ,an influencer is mad she influenced someone …. Ummmm ok girl. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.
Oh my god how do I make you go away?
I have no idea who these people are but from what I've seen Tay did nothing wrong.
ummmmm did you think we wouldn't notice that you stole this entire video from Swell Entertainment????
I'm only at 8:22, so sorry if you address this later - but do you think part of the issue is that the one who supposedly copied has more followers that the one who posted that gobblydgook first? Could we say that an element of the public blasting likely had less to do with the level of offense she thought the "copier" perpetrated and more to do with, "hey all you people who are following this one should be following ME because i do all that stuff first and "better" because my boyfriend's monster heads are cooler?"
They both have a fairly crap ton of followers, so maybe it doesn't really apply here. But there can be an issue for small content creators getting their ideas ripped off by those with a lot of followers desperate to stay relevant and collect add revenue or good algorithm or whatever their goal is that ultimately ends in fame and money and blatantly take the ideas of "the lil guy" without acknowledging them. And the small content creators don't get any of the notoriety or compensation of the "big fella." Just a thought...
You literally said the same thing in a more concise and eloquent way exactly after 8:22... I shouldn't have doubted!!!