Why the UK government wants to separate over 100,000 British couples in 2024
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2023
- Just some more Tory shenanigans.
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I'm a Canadian professor. About a decade ago, one of my former students went to grad school in the UK, where she fell in love with a fellow PhD candidate -- who was a British citizen. The two of them finished their studies, got married, settled down and started a business after they graduated -- but the business failed, and her application to stay in the UK was refused.
They wound up moving to Canada, and the UK lost two young, well educated professionals. This struck me as the most idiotic policy at the time, and that was more than 10 years ago -- it's worse now.
And how are things in Canada nowadays?
@@JeanLooksPicardI’m no Canadian citizen, but if recent news coverage has anything to go by, Canada’s in bad shape.
@@JeanLooksPicard Much better than the UK, it seems.
They don't even know what a woman is in Canada lol@@jrochest4642
@@oriongear2499 We have an inflation rate of 3.1%, unemployment is at 5.8%, and the GDP is basically unchanged. Online idiots scream a lot, but we're fine.
Imagine an anti-immigration policy that specifically excludes young professionals with productive careers ahead of them in favor of older people who will become pensioners soon.
It's true & it all stems from our governments'. They have the power yet they're so out of touch with real life that they don't know how the world actually works. In fact, _all of us_ in the UK, USA & Canada _so desperately_ need a complete & total overhaul of our governments that it's honestly scary. Think about it, all over the world, ALL governments' have been getting much worse. To the point that ALL of us currently have _nothing but,_ a bunch of twisted, lying, thieving, narcissistic douchebags. Every party, every side ALL completely corrupt & continuing to get away with it.
Clearly we do _need_ a few level headed, logical, common sense using, rational acting GenX's or Millennial's to run & get elected into office. Unfortunately, THAT _is_ our biggest problem too! No level headed, logical person _ever_ WANTS the fcuking job... and so, this is why we're screwed. 😣
The Tories are all about their culture wars. They know they're losing the next election so they're trying to turning immigration into another Brexit style culture war. They set themselves apart with policies like this but somehow think that policies like this will win over the masses. Thing is it will win over some but the more moderate conservative are just as likely to be alienated as much as the people in the political middle or the left.
Boomers are the largest voting demographic and have benefited from being so their entire lives.
Having them slowly slip into senility is not helping the situation 😊
Young professionals can earn more than £38k
But you can't claim migrants are good for the country if they arrive with kids that their income cannot support and have to be subsidised with our taxes through child support or tax credits
Actually a smart strategy.
Those who move here wouldn’t have any more children, you can just profit off their retirement and their spending without any long-term concern.
Anyone with a policy like this, I recognise as tactful.
Hi - just wanted to add: most jobs in academia/Higher Education actually start below the threshold the government are proposing. Research fellows typically start at around 34k - as do people who begin lecturing at the lower end of the national scale. These are people with entire PhDs - and often regarded as international experts in their specific fields. They wouldn't be able to enter the work force either! Absolutely horrific...
Indeed! The same applies to other public sector jobs in related fields: museum and gallery staff, librarians and arts administrators. We're cutting ourselves off from people we need to come live here.
Wow how awful what we really need right now are more academics at all costs, im sure they also make up the majoruity of the people the policy is intended for. You seem well adjusted to the needs of the average person and highly informed on this topic, you should stand for office, ideally anywhere but in the UK. Goodbye.
They seem to be completely out of touch with how much people actually earn at a starting job as a graduate, or like you say in academia.
Healthcare is also horrendous. Everyone is severely underpaid. For example you need a degree AND a portfolio before working as a biomedical scientist and the starting salary is around 31K mark. Up until that point to get experience you're paid 21K - 26K depending on where you work. You don't get paid the threshold they're proposing until you're a senior BMS, and from people I've talked to they worked there for about 10 years until getting promoted. These are people that are trained to run the tests for healthcare professionals, extremely important job, and yet paid pennies.
I have a PhD in a very specific and niche biomedical field, 10+ years of education. I immigranted in 2021 to the UK (Scotland) to work as a Scientific Researcher. I was paid ~£32,000 as a starting salary. After 3 years I got to ~£37,00. I, a very high skilled educated English speaking immigrant, wouldn't even qualify. I have since left the UK, and we thought we could come back if we wanted, but after these changes we couldn't afford it nor would we qualify apparently...
The Biomedical field in Scotland is one to avoid with a bargepole.
Wages have been kept ridiculously low, Bachelor's Degree is essentially Min Wage work, due to the sheer numbers.
Known lots of people that gave up to work retail or call centres to get paid more.
Rip off Britain. Low salaries
I don't have a degree and earn £45,000. You need to look for a better employer or a better line of work.
@@nothandmade9686 doing what?
@@nothandmade9686Oh yes, the classic Tory line “if you’re poor, get more money”.
You’ve solved poverty, mate. Well done! 👍
Hi Evan! Im a 31 year old UK citizen living abroad since i was 24, so i can live with my husband. When we tried to apply for my husband to come over it would of meant us being apart for over a year, using all our savings, putting my newborn in daycare so i could work to make the threshold (you have to have that for at least 6 months too). We made the decision to live abroad with always the idea of coming back in the future a possibility. But now seeing this news i have had the realization i will probably never live in the UK again. Very sad.
@@BravadaIt has to be exhausting living with this much hatred in your heart
@@Hana9916 Not to mention @Bravada's lack of punctuation and grammar.
@@Bravada You forgot to end your slur comment with "Vote Reform Party"
Ohh
You will. These are dark times but it all fell apart on the evil ones and will return to a level of decency soon enough.
They tried making the uk into something it is not. And as a celt i can say i welcome all to my home soil.
Because ending legal immigration is easy....but ending illegal immigration is hard.
Especially when its very useful for corruption and they want more of that.
Eugenicists.
More like dysgenisists
UK has an illegal entry problem? Hooooooow.....
I disagree. It's a feature, not a bug.
Just a crowd of animals, educated to harm each other. Very rubbish life in a communities where animalic logic matter. Disgusting creatures
Felt called out by the secondary teacher metaphor. I'm living abroad in Europe but from the UK, and I've met someone from the European country that I really like. September 2024 I'm planning to get my PGCE to be a secondary teacher as I've always wanted to teach. When I first heard about the new £38k rule I was so angry - it would take me 5+ years to get that salary as luckily I live close to London. I'll have to wait 5+ years to bring a partner I meet now over to the UK or I'll have to move away from all my friends and family to have the job I want with a partner.
So yeah, Tories are dickheads for separating future couples too.
That's pretty much the point. They know there's no way two people can remain faithful for 5 years while living apart.
@@stiofain88 Exactly. These laws are trying to make Britain more self-sufficient. It's trying to make British employers select British candidates over foreign cheaper ones. It's trying to make British nationals find British partners to marry and settle down with instead of looking for partners abroad.
@@vin00ify It's also the mindset of a racist.
@@stiofain88 Well Brexit was about race and immigration. Not my words. These are the words of Baron Michael Heseltine, a former British MP.
@@vin00ify If foreign policy is going to be decided on racist ideology then those sunlit uplands Brits all thought they were headed for just turned into a reeling landfill.
It feels unfair that people who are at the starting-a-family age won’t be able to do so here if one of them wasn’t born here because they don’t earn enough. This whole thing is short sighted and cruel.
So's forcing people to live in their car.
And then politicians in 5-10 years' time: "Why is our population ageing so fast? Why is the birth rate so low??"
@@pritapp788 THIS, i am currently 29 and have no plans to have children, the last couple of years has cemented that in due to the cost of living crisis. When you see food prices going up like they have in the last couple of years it begins to get scary, we all need it to LIVE and be healthy.
I lot of my friends my age are also deciding against children due to the cost of living. 38k salary?! 30k is a good salary where i live but that perspective is screwed now just because of how much the cost of living has changed and just how rapidly its changed.
Subscription culture also does not help and luckily i realised this early in life i.e. not having a car on the knock and not using credit cards very often... Its hard now and i cant imagine me having car payments on top of that too and or a phone on contract.
But let me be clear, i don't blame the people for the subscription culture at all i blame the big companies wanting that consistent reliable income for their figures and shareholders, including energy companies.... telling me i need to be on direct debit when i have a smart meter "oh you pay less in the winter" well no i am paying for exactly what i am using, what you mean is you want that money sitting there so you can make interest on it.
Everyone's out to screw everyone else right now this country is a joke, now if you want to earn a little extra to help survive, over a grand and its now a business and it all has to be declared so they can tax you on it.... Why should we pay for the governments failings??!
I really feel for the people of this country and it looks like its going to get worse. Its to a point where people no longer ask me why i don't want children because they just "get it" now. Not sure if i should be relieved by that or disappointed in the absolute state this country is in for those people to just "get it" / understand.
Im not to worried what happens next election as long as the Tories don't get in.... anything has got to be better than they way they have managed the country...
@@pritapp788 So you're proposing that we replace our British Britain with a mostly middle-eastern Britain? Because that's the alternative, and it's been shown time and time again that foreigners outbreed the native Brits. Sheer population numbers only matter to fools who think GDP reflects living conditions.
With the borders closed, the population will eventually reach an equilibrium where lower population density encourages higher birth-rates, and with less people to spread wages thin, GDP per capita will rise and thus the living standards of all British citizens will rise with it. Fools like you who are blinded by GDP are the reason the UK is in this mess.
When the uk stopped nurse bursary, they signaled they had no interest in "training our own"
Yep. The stupid government "forgot" most trainee nurses were older.
the uk didnt stop the bursary; england and wales did. we still get it in scotland.
My favourite bit is that they keep citing the reason for such a large income requirement being ‘they must be able to financially support their partner that’s coming to the UK so it doesn’t burden the taxpayer’- but they conveniently forget that those of us in the UK on a spouse visa have NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS, we also pay into the NHS when we apply to come, then pay into it AGAIN when we start work through income tax and NI. So, uh… someone remind me how we’re burdening the taxpayer and using NHS services we don’t pay for?
Demanding logic from tories is a waste of time. :(
this! but also don't forget council tax too, which is ridiculous where I live. Literally the only thing I got for free in this country is a library card. I don't know how much I could read in my life for this to make my moneys worth.
My guess is this is in part the Tories desperately grasping straws and trying to stop any more of their core supporters slipping away (not going to happen!) and in part a response to the largely but definitely not exclusively Indian scam of fake marriages.
Any one who works is not the problem it’s the rest who don’t work that’s crippling the country
@@neilclarke6419 this it the lie thats been told over and over again. You DO NOT get any social benefits on the partner visa, how according to you are they crippling your country if they pay for their nhs and not take any benefits?
I'm honestly sick of people blaming us for everything. Man I busted my ass working hard, I pay way more in taxes than the average brit, never claimed any kind of benefits but then the housing crisis and the NHS wait times are my fault. Last time I went to the A&E most of the staff were immigrants with perfectly functional English and all the patients (except for me) were brits, I still had to wait 9 hours
No ones is blaming normal working people, people are rightly blaming the tories
@@jacksloman3438 I don't mean the video I mean the politicians talking crap about us immigrants and the people that follow and repeat their speech. Idk dude I am seeing more and more online comments of people blaming us
I'm heavily involved in Scottish politics and I'm NHS staff. The fallout of Brexit and Tory (anti) immigration policy practice and forecasting is causing serious damage in a variety of ways. I didnt think I could despise Westminster politics any more than I already did but they're pushing all boundaries and no one is stopping them.
Please know (and believe!) that we regular folk don't blame you at all. We need effective immigration policies to survive economically and socially. Insular 'little britain' will die lonely and miserable.
If anyone believes that post needs certifying .. If the only people you saw in the hospital waiting room you must have been at an hospital area thats white majority population which would be unique in Britain in these times. The vast majority of 'patients' in hospitals are foreign.
@@--KitsuneZurui-- You are a liar, that's plainly a made up post of your situation. If you import the third world you end up been third world, and to set the facts right.. 'immigration creates the need for more immigration', it's turning into a never ending cycle just to satisfy the open borders mass immigration anti-nation zealots ..
Thank you for bringing awareness! Just applied for my spouse visa before the new intended changes were announced. My personal favorite is for anyone who had just recently made the decision to start this process and started planning/building up savings/searching for a job is now given LESS THAN 6 months notice to have everything set in place before the changes take place even though the application requires applicants to show proof of bank account and job history for 6 MONTHS prior to the submission date. If they're going to propose a monumental change, they should provide a minimum of a year notice to not be intentionally cruel. It's sad on many levels.
It’s the Tories, of course they’re intentionally cruel.
@@katashworth41🎯💯
@@katashworth41 I agree, but not for the reason you're thinking. The overwhelming majority of Brits want immigration lowered, yet the supposedly "conservative" party who've been in power for 14 years, have only increased it. This betrayal of the people is why Labour will surely win the next general election, not that they'll do anything to lower migration either.
I married this summer. I will never be able to legally bring my wife here. So instead my income goes all abroad. I’m sure that’s helping the economy
It does, just you know… not the UK’s
@cmsacademy1673 i did the same thing, i graduated from uni of Salford with a degree in computer science and then got married in Pakistan in the summer to my girlfriend now wife of over 5 years. I am also a British citizen for over 21 years, i came here as a baby. But I’m planning to go to uae or saudi to get a decent job in software as there are non in the UK. Ive been working and paying taxes since i was 16 and im 23 now. But i will happily help the uae or saudis economy.
@@awaistasleemgood, we’re full
If you're not making 38k and you were planning to bring a spouse to the UK yes, yes it is helping the economy.
@@nickw8071😂😂
So, from a European point of view: International students, please study in the UK, become highly educated, apply for a decent job in the EU and come here. We don't have to train you (the British did that) but we can reap the benefits and you get to work in the field you choose. I see this as a win-win situation.
It's cheaper to study in the EU anyway, no point on wasting the egregious amount of money to study in that country of political morons who are killing their own society when you can have a better and easier time for cheaper just doing your thing in Europe
This is how I plan to work at CERN c:
Most of them will likely stay in the UK if they can secure a job on the graduate route but what is actually going to happen now is instead of going to school in the UK in 1st place many will look to school in Finland or Italy or other places in the EU where it's more affordable & they can bring family & go to school there but many will likely still try to go to the UK, Canada, or the US from an EU country especially if coming from Nigeria or India.
This is the way.
@@Lando-kx6so Why would they stay in the uk? We abandoned it to live and work in the EU straight after brexit when we still have the possibility to do that. No way we would ever go back, after seven years we are sure it is much better here.
There are certain professions within the NHS who are experiencing difficulties with recruiting. Many of these roles (including foundation year/newly qualified doctors, Occupational Therapists and Nurses) would not meet the £38k threshold. 🤦🏾♀️incredibly frustrating and shows just how out of touch the government is with reality
Only applies if you have dependents and the shortage list would exempt you.
But the migrants simply aren't joining the NHS, so it's a moot point. The ratio of native Brits to migrants working in the NHS and other social services, is significantly higher than that of the general population, as many migrants come over here to mooch off of our benefits system. Also, if all these unproductive foreigners left, we'd need much less nurses and doctors than we do now, and the NHS might even work as intended, with no need for yearly budget increases due to mass amounts of unproductive people flooding into the country.
It's so depressing that this has happened. It directly affects a very close friend of mine who's boyfriend happens to be Chinese. They met as he was completing his Masters degree and have since moved in together. This law means that my friend might lose his boyfriend despite being well employed and neither claim benefits. Masters guy is looking for appropriate work but is on the clock so to speak. This is a horrible nasty law with no benefit for anyone. Great video x
Oh it benefits British people who don't view their country as an international marketplace, and want to feel at home in their own country. Mass immigration has gone way, way too far already.
I love the idea that someone in the conservative hierarchy put their finger in the air and thought "£39,000 ? Oh god no, that would be inhumanely expensive! But then 38,500 would surely be giving them a free ride!....very well. £38,700! and not a penny more!"
Please, for the love of God, get rid of this government.
We're definitely trying. Just don't count on Stamer being any better.
@@loc4725 you're right. But I would rather take bumbling incompetence over calculated evil when given the option.
The Tories have to be some of the dumbest people I've ever had the displeasure of learning about.
@@loc4725He would be better by default not being a scummy Tory
They made the number like that so that it looks like it's well thought out. £30,000 or £40,000 would seem too random
Our policy was already a mess. One of my Ukrainian friends who ended up as a refugee was wondering whether to move to the UK or Germany. I was going to suggest the UK until my German friend strongly urged me not to give him that advise due to the lack of a guarantee his family would also be okay to live here, which he spoke of from experience. My German friend lived and worked here for years (as a highly skilled programmer) until Brexit when he had to apply to stay here. They approved his application but not his wife's which is utterly mind blowing. He recommended he go to Germany because of their One Family policy which was introduced to make sure families stayed together after the wall came down. To go from what was already an utterly ridiculous policy which pushes out skilled workers to an even lower low is just crazy to me.
Are you mad..😂😂😂 uk 😂😂
Germany, France, UK. They will all be in free fall due to competence issues caused by their human capital. Anyone who thinks that these places will be safe to live in 20-30 years is completely deluded.
Going through this. It's our 10th anniversary next year and the idea of ever living together seems to get further away every year. 💔
Good. If foreigners can't contribute enough to society, they shouldn't be here. We don't want millions of low-skilled workers coming in and undercutting the wages of the poor British working class, we want a small number of skilled scientists and doctors and the likes coming over who can help the people and raise living standards, without affecting wages in any significant capacity.
I currently feel so hopeless after finding all this out earlier this month. Been in the UK for 5 years.. Got my BSc and MSc and my graduate visa will end next year. My current job up in Scotland doesn’t pay enough and my long term partner no longer meets the new requirements for us to get a partner visa (He’s a UK citizen). It’ll be a struggle to find a job that meets sponsorship requirements with only 1 year of working experience.. I genuinely hope something changes I love the UK and don’t want to be forced to leave my partner and return to the USA.
Bruh, you can add up both yours and his income for the family visa to meet new requirements like it is now. E.g if you earn 20k and he earns 20k you’re 40k and thus qualify. (Though your income should be uk based)
That's the point, we don't want foreigners like you coming in and undercutting wages of the native Brits. The government's job is to look out for its people, not foreigners, and especially not foreigners with a low likelyhood of integrating. I do feel some level of sympathy, however, emotional thinking will only ruin the country more, as it has done over the last 14 years of Tory leadership.
I graduate from medical school in the UK in July and my starting salary as a first year doctor in the NHS is only £30,000 so by their logic I wouldn’t be highly skilled…
What a waste of 5 years
Study for the USMLE, find an American partner, do your internship in the US and profit. My brother-in-law did this. You'll definitely make at least 100k more per year. Good luck.
Also Americans really like British accents, so you'll probably have better opportunities than other foreign doctors.
Why is it so low 😒. The British need to pay their medical staff more. Why would you waste all that time to become a doctor for 30k? (40k usd). Doctors in the US waste a decade to become a doctor but they make 200k starting 🤷♂️. (Med school loans are about 300k though). Doctors in America make like 350k on average tbh. Why are they paying you 40k for a 350k profession
@LucasFernandez-fk8se
That's why I advised him to prepare for an escape to the States. If he's motivated he can earn a lot more. No use in complaining, you as an individual can't change the system just navigate it. And get paid.
🤯🤯🤯 Move to US , depending on country/farm vs. city area, saleries are a lot higher , doctors make at least 125K to start . Nurses start at 50K
I'm absolutely livid. I honestly don't know what the UK government is even thinking. They're making it impossible for young people in international relationships to live in the UK. Which will only come back to bite them in the form of brain-drain when tens of thousands of young professionals are forced to leave the UK inorder to keep their families together.
My husband (Japanese) and I (British) were debating a move back to the UK in a few years. But, well, now the decision has been made for us by the UK government. There's absolutely no way that I could earn enough in the UK in my field of work at my age for us to be eligible. That's two highly educated, skilled young people, not to mention our future kids and grandkids etc, that the UK has missed out on.
100% agree
The tories just don't care. They just want to be able to inform their mouth-breathing supporters that they're doing something about all this "awful" "illegal migration." The tories now insist pretty much all immigration is illegal, quit processing asylum-seekers' paperwork ages ago, and want to send people to Rwanda.
"I honestly don't know what the UK government is even thinking."
That's the problem: It's not. It's falling back to being reactionary because it has no policies left anymore that would improve the lives of the average British voter. Brexit has been a clusterfuck, the economy has flatlined, and everyone is worse off except the very wealthiest. The Tory government has nothing left to give, so they're falling back on attacking immigration and welfare, hoping to god it will save them from being completely drubbed in the next general election. But everyone knows it's not going to happen, so they're intending to leave a political land mine for Labour, when they get in.
Also 1000s of 3rd worlders semi literate
Thank goodness you've decided not to return to the UK , another less moaner to put up with.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for thus video. Breaking it down like this, makes it clear what an absolute pile of horse pooh this policy is. It seems that each Home Secretary we have is determined to be worse than the last - a tradition Cleverly is continuing
I quite literally changed career after doing an unrelated Masters degree in the UK to become a Software Engineer specifically so I could jump through immigration hoops. I feel like one shouldn't have to prove they are exceptional to justify their existence simply because of their birth coordinates. It's really quite damaging to one's sense of self worth.
As a citizen of Ireland, I'm not worried that this policy will spread to Ireland (as UK policies usually tend to do), because we have Constitutional text commanding special protection for the Family. Don't look too closely at how it got there, but it means that any attempt to tear families apart for immigration policy reasons will swiftly be stopped by the courts. Sometimes it's much better to have a written Constitution, for example when your Parliament is dominated by demagogues who are panicking about the next election.
Same in Germany. Marriage is protected by the constitution, if someone is married to a German, they have to get a residents permit (similar rules apply to spouses of EU citizens)
I thought the UK helped write a eu policy similar. Its a breach of human rights. 😢
I’m shocked to find out that the UK doesn’t actually give at least residency to spouses of citizens, it makes no sense!
Similar here in Bulgaria, I think. My partner Bulgarian) and I (Welsh) were not married, by my choice, even though we were together for nearly 9 years until recently. More than 3 years ago - following Brexit - I applied for & qualified for a residents permit in my own right, which will lead to becoming a full citizen in due course, providing that I continue to satisfy the conditions@@neodym5809
I am a registered nurse from Finland, planning to move to work in an English speaking country when my wife completes her masters degree. The stocks of Ireland on our list just got a lot higher, thanks to the Westminster...
Having worked for 40 years as an electrician I've seen many changes to this country.
I've worked hard and paid my taxes, live in a terraced house I now own in a northern former industrial town. My wife works in the nhs and hasn't seen a pay rise for over ten years..
The town has changed beyond all recognition and as I write a London-based firm is converting next door into an house of multiple occupancy....I'm not sure what the future holds for this country and I'm sick of the left / right debate...it's not so long ago that towns like mine were awash with mass poverty stricken families including my own...I think that's where we are heading again I'm afraid and I blame all political party elites for it...sorry for the rant.
The Tories thank you for being "sick of the left/right debate!" 🙏
I'll let you in on a secret*: we've have raving lunatic, dangerously psychopathic, wildly incompetent Tory governments for about 32 out of the past 45 years. It's not a left/right debate, it's just a cold hard fact that the Tories have absolutely shat all over this country during every one of those disastrous years. But they'll be pleased to see so many still falling for the tired old mantra that Labour are bad with the economy even though the Tories ruin the economy...Every. Single. Time! That's not to mention the social darwinist polcies that literally murdered thousands and thousands of the elderly, the disabled, and condemn millions of people, including children, to poverty and hopelessness. The debate is long over. We need this gang of psychopaths out forever.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 and both sides thanks you for not going after both of them who are the same elites 😂
The town has been mostly Labour for decades....
@@Minimoog..... I noticed this about the North East that the residence often blame everything on the Tory government, but the local government that makes all the decisions about how money is spent is Labour and instead of spending what they have intelligently it seems they piss it up a wall then blame the central government for not providing enough money but if you look at the money per capita the north east gets more than some parts of London and more than every other part of England, which means the local government has to be burning the cash, the majority of London does get more money than the North East but almost all of London is also Labour and also complains about being underfunded by central government.
In my opinion from a financial position the Tories are bad at running the country but I believe Labour will be much worse because the Labour fiscal policy is unhinged and when it all falls apart they will just make excuses and say that the Tories broke everything and that Labour was unable to fix it but they will have been in power with the ability to make change and I am sure they will not either on purpose or through incompetence, I cannot say which. I believe it is a losing battle and in reality we only have two parties that can achieve majority in a general election and neither is going to be good for the economic future of the country.
just a footnote: I mentioned the North East specifically because I personally spent time in Tyneside and Durham recently.
Congratulations on owning your home, sorry to hear that a HMO will be opening next door it is not always a bad thing but generally in the North HMO's typically aren't housing working professionals its either students, the infirm or criminals on licence but I do not know where you are located and locations makes a difference as to who is likely to tenant the HMO.
As a software developer in the UK, based in the midlands, salary is £44k, which is average, however there is a more serious issue with the UK economy, specifically for skilled workers as, for my industry anyway, the same software developer would receive some $110k a year in the United States, equivalent to £86k today, all before taxes.
So even “high-skilled” workers like myself, (feel flattered to be called high skilled), the economy just isn’t as competitive as others meaning we’ll just leave for a better life whilst the UK will surely miss all those taxes being paid.
Basing national policy around London's average salaries. It's almost as if it's designed to fail, so they can say they tried to solve our imaginary immigration problem without actually doing anything about the real immigration problem.
I am an EU national with a partner who lived in the UK, this is my story so far:
- I finished my bachelor's degree in economics, while she worked as a nurse in the UK.
- I attempted to move in based on the EU settlement scheme. They wanted me to prove our relationship existed before the UK left EU. Since we lived countries apart, the only things I was able to provide was years' worth of texts, and occasional pictures together
- They denied me entry
- We then decided to instead move in within EU, the UK lost a nurse. I am now getting a master's degree in business intelligence. She wants to go back to UK since she loved living there, but she doesn't want to do it without me. We intended to marry next year and get me in based on a spousal visa.
- The torries come up with this stupid idea. I will be freshly graduating.
- Will I get in? Will they get their nurse back, together with an analyst skilled in machine learning?
shhh.. BoAtS
All the best to you!
I would recommend Ireland to you as your still in the EU but you could technically vist UK by going to Northern Ireland.
@@NicholasJH96 No you can't except as a tourist which you can do to any part of the UK and you will have to inform immigration despite the lack of a border unless you are a UK or Irish Citizen. The CTA is an Irish-British bi-lateral agreement, and the UK does allow EU citizens entry on the same terms as the UK does the EU, it does not afford to EU residents of Ireland the same rights and privileges as provided to Irish Citizens.
Why would you attempt to get back into Britain if you were upset previously , why don't you just stay in an EU state , there's a good lad.
This country has descended to utter chaos with its scapegoating . Our media is relentless in distracting us from the bored handover of power from governments to corporations.
thats bang on
and corporations are the root of globalism, being treated as part of a block rather than a nation.
The recent additions GBN and the awful Kyle employing talk "news". Ofcom
You guys need to go after the people funding this sort of thing. Anyone aligned with the WEF is at fault.
The torries are getting desperate they know they are on the nose and are doing anything they can to divert the public's attention.
Hi, I totally agree on everything you say. I am truly affected by this. I am a English born British citizen, married to a an African lady and my child lives with her in Kenya. I have no idea what will happen. The UK passport office are asking for more additional documents on top of my additional documents in order to apply for my 1 year old son. These new rules so sinful 🤬🤬
Ask your partner to get her own work visa and come.
I work in the health sector. I’m marrying my European partner in March. He doesn’t live in the U.K. so we think we will be moving to Ireland instead.
They will benefit from both my and my partners skill sets in health and IT.
The U.K. can loose out.
Me and my partner are facing this situation right now. He's British (born in England) and I'm not. We've been together for 3 years. We were planning to apply for the spouse visa around April, but with the recent changes and fear of the salary threshold more than doubling we are speeding up the process as much as we can. There's no way he'll be making over £38,700. In fact, most brits don't make close to that. We are horrified at the goverment decision to put a price on being able to have a family. It's cruel and inhumane. I've seen families with babies in complete desperation because it means they'll be separated with this decision.
We pay 2,5 years worth of NHS when applying for a visa (that's around £2,600); when we get a job there, the nhs tax is not deducted, so immigrants pay double. We are paying so much already. I don't understand this decision, it's so vile.
The tories are vile, heartless creatures with far more money than brains, and no empathy.
Seems you weren’t in a rush. Note you said citizen not English. Exact reason for the new laws.
Get married if you been living together more than two years.
Just come over in a dingy.
@@nickw8071that's something most people don't understand. Most of the people bringing their spouses to stay with them are not native brits.
This affects me directly. I'm a British citizen and a secondary school teacher with 20 years of experience but married to a non-British wife. My daughter (British) finished primary school last year and we had planned to move back to the UK, but the economy wasn't looking so we decided to stay where we are for her middle school and move back to the UK in 2025. However, now that the income threshold has doubled, there is no way we can move back.
We need a Labour government. My oldest son is in the same situation and it is breaking all our hearts. Good luck to you and your family.
It won't affect you as teachers are exempt from this increase. You would be eligible for a skilled worker visa (and also able to bring your spouse) if you were offered a teaching job in the UK paying at least £26,200. A brand new teacher, straight out of university will be on £30k going up to £41k with six years experience. This can then go up to £72k for what are called "leading practitioners". For leadership roles, salaries start at £47k and go up to £131k.
Did you vote for brexit and are you a Tory supporter? Anyone who is just getting the government they voted for
@@NickLea The OP said he was a British citizen so wouldn't need a visa. It affects directly his spouse.
Why do you and your family do not choice to live in a country where people do not manipulate or humiliate each other for money? Life in society where humans rights are respected is good, for sure.Let me guess, is it because in there came this financial system which creates handicap for living?
My British/Irish daughter has a Japanese husband. They currently live in Tokyo but they’d like to come to the U.K. This might stop them doing that.
I want to live somewhere warmer and with electricity and internet, Shetland Island tricked me with lies and now I’m kind of trapped here. In the UK there’s only one clinic that can treat chronic UTI (sorry if this is TMI) and the treatment is very simple, any GP could do it but because it’s long term high dose antibiotics no GP will do it because it’s against NICE Guidelines. But my point is that it was easier to access healthcare in the communist dictatorship I was born in (that’s not an endorsement of communism, we had no food, btw) than in this supposed ‘height of civilisation’ country.
My heart goes out to anyone dealing with this now. My whole family moved here in 2014 and the utter torture we endured trying to get my Canadian father landed residency was beyond believing. At one point, the UK gov decided that my mother was not British and she had to get her brother to track down the parish records of her GRANDPARENTS to prove she was British enough to sponsor her husband. This is digusting to watch.
Brutal. Please never vote Tory.
My son's best childhood friend was hit by the earlier version of this. They met, here in the uk, but she was on a short term visa. They went to her home country, for him to meet her family. And they got married there, so that they could both come back to the uk. Whilst they were staying with her parents, the new law became active. Now, my son's friend is an artist, his wife was a cafe manager. Even with combined incomes there was no way they could meet the government's criteria. In the years since then, my son's friend has become successful in his field of art, his wife is now owner of her own cafe, and they have a son, now approaching his teens. They come back to visit every couple of years, and his mother visits every couple of years. But they will never return to the uk to live, even if they can afford it.
@@Bravadayou do realize cafe owners and successful artists pay taxes, right?
@@Bravadahow are they being supported exactly? They'll work and pay taxes. Often a lot more than people who complain about paying them on the internet with their low-skilled labour jobs...
@@jonathansimmons5353 a artist? If as a native you can't speak English properly, YOU should be deported. Too many of you create feral illigitimate offspring and live off of my taxes. I'd take a million immigrants over cultureless workshy "working" class chavs.
If you pay your way, what's the problem? Afraid that you have no excuse for being workshy now?
"Austrian artist" is such a crappy dogwhistle. Reported.
Good to hear they won't be coming back to the UK , two less moaners to put up with.
I'm a Canadian who got my masters from Sheffield, which as you know is right by Doncaster. Fortunately I have citizenship, but I can't imagine ever making that much in the north. I live in the south now, with slightly higher salaries, and even that one I struggle with making! I can't imagine coming here to stay now, and I'm seriously considering moving back. It would be a painful blow to my social life, but honestly it beats living in what's fast becoming a banana republic
Whilst I accept the UK has gone a bit shit lately, I have to point out; Canada, Trudeau, pot, kettle.
@@markstrevett1284 I'm not a fan of Trudeau. He, too, places the burden of his waste on the poor, cratered the economy, and had his share of scandals. But he hasn't completely ditched the rule of law, outlawed protest, attacked foreigners or had police investigations opened against his opponents. He's bad, but there's a matter of degrees. When he's gone, the damage will be mostly economic and reversible. In the UK, the damage runs deeper and wider, with aspects like Brexit permanently hampering the economy in a way Trudeau can only dream of doing to Canada. He's paying people who have dirty water rather than actually fixing it, but the Tories here aren't even calling it an issue. Trudeau is tone deaf on wealth inequality, but he doesn't criminalise poverty. And unlike the Tories, he has done some positives, like introducing free school meals and welcoming refugees. He is stupid, selfish, and incompetent, but I do not believe he is deliberately cruel or evil, unlike the establishment of Britain these last few years. It's more of a dark grey pot with silver linings calling a black hole black
@@markstrevett1284 It's a matter of degrees. Although Trudeau has cratered the economy, skyrocketed taxes, and shown pure self-interest in his role, I've yet to see deliberate cruelty and evil (only sheer unparalleled incompetence). He has not done sustained damage after the manner of leaving the EU. And while I may disdain Trudeau, even I must admit there have been some positives even in his late reign, such as the introduction of free school meals. Yes, a policy pushed for by Singh, but a positive nonetheless. He also has not attacked refugees and will acknowledge societal issues exist, even if his "solutions" are ineffective money pits, but I've yet to see even that level of performance from the UK's current government. Finally, don't think it doesn't break my heart to see both countries suffering under the worst of all options. Trudeau being an improvement does not make him good. But it's more like Trudeau has set a bar to clear at ground level, but the Tories went into the sewer
I’m from Doncaster and I think I speak for most of the young people when I say we hate Nick fletcher 🥰
"If we are being ... conservative." Loved this understated pun.
Charlie brooker defined the Tories better than anyone i can think of with this quote
“The Conservative Party is an eternally irritating force for wrong that appeals exclusively to bigots, toffs, money-minded machine men, faded entertainers & selfish, grasping simpletons who were born with some essential part of their soul missing”
Charlie wouldn't have met his wife if this utter utter bollocks had existed previously🤦
Best definition I've ever heard and absolutely spot-on.
See all the simpletions and bigots who have taken hypocrisy to a fine rushing to like this post.
Let me start of with, I've NEVER voted Tory I'm my life but I find your post highly disagreeable. The present Tory party are far from being Tory in the past sense, they are more in tune with socialist Marxist, a bit like yourself. Taxation in the UK is at its highest since WW2, they have facilitated mass UNCONTROLLED immigration, which cost well over £8mil a day on hotel cost, then you have other benefits which those freeloaders receive.
The Tory's are also going down the route of Globalism and bringing in censorship laws, like many other socialist dictatorships. I could go on but I think it would be wasted on people like yourself.
@@lawrencegrantham805that's the most laughable thing I've ever read. The current Tory party has lurched towards right wing populism. Not all censorship and authoritarianism is "Marxism"; the political spectrum has 2 axis.
I remember a comment made to my son that his ability to speak Chinese was amazing.. He was born there, and didn't move to the UK until he was 9 and a half! ( He and his Mum are now full UK citizens, and both working..)
The UK Office of National Statistics once sent me stats as part of an interview that shows the overall population of London is 60% foreign born. At what point would you say it's actually time for a national government to start acting like a national government and stop acting like an international corporation attracting the best hires?
First time viewer! That was GREAT! I'm a Brit based in the Netherlands, and I've recently been looking at doing a masters back in the UK. Something very glaring struck me when I've been noticing fees for undergrad and postgrad courses. The fees for overseas students, are all, on average.... £38k! What a coincidence huh. Its almost like Tory HQ has asked an intern how much it costs "Jonny Foreigner" to study in Britain these days, and they've said "Rightio then! Lets charge them all £38.5k to live here. This will separate the wheat from the chaff"!
Thanks!
sounds like them
My wife and I are directly affected by this. We live in the US, I'm a UK born British Citizen, my wife and daughter were born here and are US citizens. Our plan was for me to move to the UK next spring, get work, and get her visa based on that work. the 38700 threshold now means I will have to work 65+ hours a week at multiple jobs to qualify as a sponsor for her visa. I'll have to do that for at least 6 months likely longer, until she can come over and start working so that the two of our incomes combined can meet that threshold for her further visa renewals.
As someone in a similar situation (US/UK couple) the NHS, education systems and work culture you remember is not the one we have now. Think very carefully about whether you want to come back here. Wishing your family all the best.
If you have cash in a deposit account then that can set off some or all of the income requirement. For example, if you have £112,000 sat in your bank account then you won't need to show any income at all. If you have £38,000 in your bank account then it will reduce the income requirement from £38k to £30k
I’m curious as to why you want to bring them over to the UK….🤔
Ita madness. I was on longterm sickness benefit for many years. Theyll take me back even with my disability (which was caused by antidepressive meds that hadnt gone under longterm testing.. i was one of the test subjects . many suicides as a result. My only issue was a tooth infection.)
Anyways i met someone and we married, shes puerto rican. She's up there with the famouses doing a ton of work that could bring money to the uk.. but apparently that doesnt matter.
So its not about finances. The uk would be better off to take us, even with my not working. Its about eugenicists being cruel to score brownie points.
Notice any rich people get free passage, this only affects the less well off. Its eugenics and eugenicists. Cruel psychopaths.
@@InnocentSongbird its changed but it can swing back. It no doubt will. They tried desperately to make the public support them. Fact is they dont and most want things returned to sensible. It costs them a lot of money to keep the propaganda going. And we saw how fast the putin trolls dropped off the Internet.. the same will happen with the tory supporters. Britain will come back stronger.
Yup, it's always one thing after another in the UK. First there was Brexit, forcing me and my Finnish husband to make a more long term choice between countries which previously wasn't necessary. I am disabled (hEDS) so I can never work full time due to my physical condition, but there was hope of maybe entertaining living in my home country with my husband after he finished nursing school as we would meet the income requirements if he could secure a job over here ahead of moving. Thankfully, Finland is a much nicer place to live so it is not such a tough place we are in compared to some other families in the same situation but it is still a staggering realisation that I truly will never be able to live in the country of my birth again even if I wanted to.
The cost disparity between the two so-called developed countries in our situation is appalling, and while the UK spousal visa requirements have always been discriminatory (restricting the right of disabled individuals access to their families), it is yet another sad display of the disdain the tories have for the British people.
Ditto. I'm British, my partner is Canadian, I hoped to go back to the UK at some point but it's a no-go. I have chronic health issues and am super behind on career stuff so there's simply no way I could get a job like that - and in the intervening years I've found the standard of living has dropped so far I'm glad we didn't go back now. I really feel for everyone trapped in the UK, and it does increasingly feel like people there are trapped as opposed to living.
as an immigrant student: i paid the nhs 'entrance fee' (ihs for visa), i overpaid taxes which have not being reimbursed and all i used the nhs for was to get a covid vaccine and a self-made blood test that made me faint when i did it. i paid my fair share, i'm graduating next summer and it's not looking good
I was waiting for Evan to speak on this. I was planning on getting my masters in the UK with hopes to get a graduate visa and eventually a sponsorship from a UK employer, which would’ve been hard enough. Now it will be virtually impossible when 70% of the population makes less than the newly proposed salary requirement.
Also, blaming NHS and other public service pitfalls on immigrants is outrageous considering most these workers are immigrants filling positions no one else will take.
So firstly people coming to work as nurses, doctors and surgeons are exempt from the earnings limit. There are a whole bunch of other jobs that are excluded or have a reduced earnings limit.
Secondly: look we had net immigration last year of over 700 thousand and a similarly insane figure the year before. That's a city the size of Birmingham moving here in a single year. That's insane. That's not good for social cohesion and it's not good for public services etc.
@@extermin8or3 Lastly, Kiersten was talking about Nurse's Aides, Janitors, Laundry, etc.. They are *essential.*
@@extermin8or3maybe they should start with curbing the illegal immigrants that come over the channel (85k in 2023) rather than those of us who actually contribute to the economy and NHS funding.
I feel you have neglected to mention one imporant point, of the 746,000 immigrants who arrived last year, 671,000 of them arrived with visas, which means the government sold them a visa for study or work. The government could easily reduce immigration, if it really wanted to, simply by not issuing visas. The government are trying to blame immigration for the problems that this country has, but does not want to accept responsibility for the 90% of immigrants that they invite into the country. Apparently it's the fault of the 10% of desperate people fleeing the threat of death or torture that is the problem? The figures I have quoted are from the ONS, so easily verifiable. @@extermin8or3
Or maybe they should have safe & legal routes like the ones they closed rather than forcing people to cross the world's busiest shipping lane.
The UK has an ageing population and since Brexit, all of the workers (which did the jobs that the locals did not want to) have returned home, thus there are record numbers of job vacancies with NO-ONE to fill them. So unless there's an influx of workers to keep various services functioning then we're ALL FUCKED.
Education over fear & bigotry.
Something not mentioned. At the root of the resentment against immigrants that the Tories are seeking to capitalise on is their own catastrophic failure to plan/allow/provide enough housing for the people (of any nationality) who already live here. As a renter, watching rents soar far above general inflation and even further above wage rises, and rising homelessness, an extra 3/4 million people in just one year looking for somewhere to live makes me very uncomfortable. But I blame the Government, not the immigrants and certainly not the refugees the Tories want us to hate, and so should you.
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Unfortunately also the reason why the right wing party has become the biggest party in the Netherlands. Some people believe everything these bastards say.
It’s exactly the same here in Canada. Probably even worse. A huge housing crisis. The government doesn’t do anything to build new homes but the population grows like crazy because of immigration. I’m one of those new immigrants and we need more people. But we need homes as well and reasonable rent prices. And not even talking about the healthcare crisis over here. The wait times are insane.
I mean part of it is the governments fault but eventually you still have to draw a line. There literally aren't enough builders and construction companies and people working in the sector to build a city the size of Birmingham every year and all the infrastructure associated with it. Because that is the scale you are talking about. I dont agree with how they are handling spouse visa's etc. But there is no requirement that says the government must keep building more and more houses each year to accommodate insane levels of immigration. Unless ofcourse you want the whole countryside simply covered in concrete. I personally don't. Clearly we need more houses but, we haven't kept up with the 300k net roughly a year (which was pretty unprecedented at the time ) immigrating here throughout late naughties amd the 2010's. So if we couldn't keep up with that...
Most of the people looking for affordable housing are ordinary Brits. Housing is being built but for the private sector. There is not a great deal of social housing or HAs around these days.
Yea this is why I'm exiting the UK.
I am a British citizen who was born here and how the UK government is acting is absolutely disgusting.
I returned to the UK in Feb 2023 after living in Peru for 10 years with my wife, I'm a British national and she is Peruvian. I returned to the UK with the hopes of a better life for my wife and I but that's now been dashed due to these new proposals and I'm unable to meet the new salary expectations.. I'm in the middle of selling what I have and will most likely return to Peru in Feb 2024.
I don't have to imagine this scenario, sadly. This is my current reality. Me and my girlfriend have been together for nearly 3 years through university and now she has to go home because she's finished. The prospect of her returning is not looking good thanks to tory legislation
You need to emigrate too. Don't waste your youth in this country as it currently is
Follow her. At least give her 3 years at home as she gave you. One day you will be able to buy the entire UK and become Monarchs on a modest wage from abroad.
Excuse me, £38,700?! I work as an R&D engineer to help develop game-changing medical devices and I don't earn that much yet!
Most engineering jobs don't earn anywhere near that amount after university - you're lucky to get £35k as a graduate.
EDIT: I was only able to study and work here because my parents work for the NHS - I can't imagine what my life would be like if these laws were implemented a couple of decades earlier.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda The average salary for a graduate in software engineering in the UK is around £30k
Yep, my software engineering grad salary was £33k
@@id3389 £33k equals €38200 ... a software engineer here in Spain is lucky to earn €29000 after 10 years of experience
@@casuallymika When I was looking for jobs, that was the Southern salary. The North, where it is slightly cheaper to live, is quite a bit lower.
So just to clarify Mrs Sunak who was born in India and was non-domicile in the UK to avoid paying tax to pay doctors and nurses would be fine ???
They always pull out the NHS card, we ain't falling for that one.
most people don't realise that you are not voting to get the right person in, you are voting to keep the wrong person out
That is the sad result of FPTP and the two-party system it inevitably converges to.
Maybe let's wait to see if labour actually list this in their manifesto as something they will immediately undo, before deciding to vote for them?
@@motionlessbacon5989 Your vote should never rest on just one policy unless it is 'do or die' for you. No party should get comfortable in their position of power. They begin to think that whatever they do, they'll get away with it. Time for a change. The Tories need to feel they're accountable, just like everybody else. In due course, it will be Labour's turn to feel the people's disapproval if they mess up.
@@Acadia26 do you think people should vote for Labour even if they won't undo ridiculous policies like this?
Unfortunately those are the only options available in the First Past the Post system.
The insane thing is even as a UK citizen born and bred and having been in the workforce, with a Masters, for 4 years, I don't earn anywhere near 38k. The median in Scotland is only 26k so not sure how that's supposed to work!
Software developers in the UK starting salary is about 25-30k, to get 40k+ you're probably taking about 5 years experience, so software engineers would also be affected by this.
It's only really the US where software engineer salaries are insane
Also software engineering teams are quite often split over multiple countries so there's not really much incentive to move to the UK if you are a software engineer in another country.
I’ve seen people pulling out the old “If you don’t like it, then get a better job instead of lounging about on minimum wage.”
I’m a nursery practitioner. I *look after* YOUR children so YOU can go to your well-paying job. There’s already a shortage of qualified practitioners in the industry because of poor wages and overwork. Under this new policy, I’m forced to live apart from my partner, or I’ll have to leave the country and move elsewhere… Meaning one less person in an essential job that is already struggling to be adequately staffed.
They’re shooting themselves in the foot with this policy.
This also impacts UK expats with foreign partners who had planned to return to the UK for retirement.
Yes, this has exiled me from my own country. Insane and possibly against human rights.
suprise, this was one of the main reason that poor uk immigrant can not import more poor partners because of already almost half of the english population are on hardcore benefit... do not be poor
The thing I find mind boggling is how passive British people are about this stuff. IMAGINE telling the French people "from now on we decide who you marry, peasants". They'd burn the country to the ground.
Yet here I see some people unhappy sure, but many also happy and a big middle who seem to shrug indifferently despite the fact that THEIR right as a British citizen to marry who they love is being removed.
Most people don't care until they are directly affected and many are somewhat racist, even if only mildly or subconsciously.
My other half is Spanish and a midwife. She falls below this threshold, but is ok for now since she was already settled here.
Having lots of friends in the international community, I've seen first hand the mass exodus of international workers post Brexit and this will only make things worse.
This means there will be 0 new international nurses in the NHS, as nurses don't earn that much. It will kill the NHS.
Even if it is reversed, these policies alienate people and make them feel unwelcome.
I hope people vote these Tories out at the next election, but I'm not at all confident. Too many blinkered, selfish and racist people who actually agree or are happy to put up with this crap. No matter what anyone thinks of other political parties, I don't think they can get much worse than the circus we've been dealing with for not far off 10 years.
Its less we are passive and more, the only opposition is a man who is basically also a Tory. Both our major political parties have begun chanting about how they want the immigrants out. Keir Starmer (leader of the labour party) has been talking about how much he loves Margret Thatcher (cunt) and that he wants to be the new conservative party.
what this means, is that the Lib Dems and the Greens (Who have mediocre policies at best and not a chance in hell of taking power in this political landscape) are the only options for the left.
Additionally, it becomes very hard to vote the left candidates in due to the First Past the Post system. I promise you, people are furious, the issue is that everyone is so disillusioned at this point, no one reallly knows who to vote for or what to do. We had huge strikes all of this year and they have failed to achieve anything. Our healthcare system is on the brink. Our nurses, and teachers and doctors are so underpaid they can't afford to live. ~
And more than 2.1 Million people are having to use food banks in order to eat. Its kinda hellish
@@ravenwolf2220 what do you mean nurses underpaid? Did you not see all the clapping they got during COVID? And you're saying they want more?
If you listen to our overlords, I think you'll find that nurses are overpaid.
@@Joshua-fi4ji 🤣🤣😭😭 Ah yes.... Clapping. The new currency......
@@jackgrimes-wl8fb I second this. Our government is fantastic at passing horrible and inhumane legislation right underneath our noses, unless small channels or news outlets manage to notice and let 1% of us know. Even then we can't actually help. It's depressing.
Great video as per usual Evan. The Tories are horrific, and those who continually vote them in enabled this. It's thoroughly depressing.
Edit: couldn't agree more about Starmer as well! A wet flannel of a politician who would have slotted in perfectly to Cameron's govt of 2010-2016
What's horrific is being forced to live in your car.
This video is how I'm first finding out about this. My boyfriend is an American citizen, still living in the US, and in around a year and a half, once he's done with college, we were hoping to get him moved over to the UK long term. I'm on around £30k a year, max, including my overtime, and he's looking at an entry level job in computer science. As the system currently stands it was going to be tough, measures that you've outlined would make it impossible. We'd both have to consider another country. If I have to choose to stay a citizen of this insult of a country or live with him, they can shove that citizenship right up their arse. Where we'd go, I don't know. But if he can't stay here then they'll lose me from the economy too
It's just announced the rules are changing after this video, the £38000 limit is from 2025, £28~ in 2024, so you will meet the threshold if he applies before then. People who have visas approved before 2025 are not retroactively affected by the change.
These "blame the immigrants" laws are going to kill off the one remaining economic lifeline you've got left.
It's kinda shocking what qualifies as "a lot of money" over there. £38,700 is about $65k CAD, and I can't imagine paying anyone with a degree less than that. (Yes, I know what everyone in my company makes. We have students below that, reception, and some early career techs. Can't imagine paying an engineer that little, even straight out of school.)
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda That's still a pretty short-sighted approach. Evan pointed out a few reasons why:
1 - Immigrants in the UK pay a surtax of about £1000, so their breakeven is going to be different from the average.
2 - Young people are cheaper to service than old people, but also earn less, so applying the average doesn't make a lot of sense.
3 - An old person is far more likely to earn a high income, but may retire the day they qualify for citizenship, making them a net lifetime cost compared to a young person who can't clear the hurdle *this year* but would spend their whole working lives building up the UK economy.
4 - Oftentimes, immigrants fill lower income/lower status jobs that need to be done and have a lot of trouble finding applicants in the local labour pool. This is still a net benefit to society, even if their taxes don't cover all the public services they consume.
5 - Literally everyone generates more taxes than they personally pay. If you work in private industry, your work lines the capitalist class's pockets, and they pay (admittedly too little) tax on it. If you work in the public sector, you still spend the money you earn, which generates tax revenue in the places you spend it (and the places the people who work there spend the extra money, etc.)
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda Not sure I agree. If your criticism of immigration policy is that it keeps out immigrants you'd like to have, then yes. But the criticism the right seems to have is that it lets in people they don't want, which means by extension that "the immigrants we have accepted are a problem."
It's usually for brazenly racist reasons...I'm sure they all would classify Evan as a "good immigrant," and it's not hard to see what sets him apart from the people providing essential services, like the NHS nurses that the MP seen in this video is blaming for wait times.
That’s because cost of life is several times cheaper than in Canada. Comparing raw salary numbers like is absurd and I can’t fathom why people keep on doing it. I lived far better and with a higher purchasing power making 38.000 Eur in Germany than 85.000 CAD in Canada, where rent is over 2k for a one bedroom apartment, healthcare is barely funded, you need car for anything, and groceries are insane
@@The2wanderers Waving through insane levels of immigration is immigration policy.
@@The2wanderers Monetary benefit isnt the only important thing. Culture and social fabric are also the bedrock of any successful civilisation, the UKs has been changing for the worst and its distablising.
I can't explain how much this hurts me. My relationship suffered enough because of Brexit already, we were young and in love at the time and long distance was hard enough, and we were slapped by Brexit and my partner broke up with me because of that. Long story short we made it, but that included leaving in a whole another country until we were sort of forced to come back to the UK because of his job. We got married and got Visa earlier this year, and when I heard this new rule I cried because after all this struggle we qualify for future marriage Visa extension only by a margin. It was very close. For non-uk people, if you're a Senior Designer for example (like I am), you can only do this much a year if you're in London. If its out of London you're out of luck.The most infuriating thing is that I am a legit professional and with our combined incomes we are quite well off, but it doesn't count, they only count the sponsors income, which makes it even harder, because who makes that much money outside of London anyway? My heart breaks for all the couples who are going through this because I've suffered through this before.
My husbands a band 6 (senior nurse), worked for the NHS over 7 years and he doesn't earn 38k. I work for the NHS as part of admin and I don't earn 25k and never will unless I go into upper management (which I don't want to do because then you have to deal with the beaurocratic side of thr NHS, which is just a head ache!!)
The trust I work in wouldn't be able to function without foreign workers. Without them services would of had to stop and people would have to travel over 120 miles to a trust that provides that service or go private which doesn't actually provide some of the services the trust I work in does because its that speclist (I don't even work in London).
Legal immigrants are being punished for asylum seekers while the uncontrolled asylum seekers remain the same. Brilliant way to make not 1 person happy across the board. No matter if you're the most conservative, conservative, this makes not 1 person happier.
Immigrants usually are young people, that use the NHS very little, but pay taxes to support it. You can argue other reasons to stop immigrants coming, that may make some sense, but this is not one of them. Tories are sinking this country.
@@jeffsimon9594 So kind of you. Thank you.... well, I thought the problem was they were using services they haven't paid for, I can't see the problem if they have paid for it. And many will return to their countries once they retire, so won't use the NHS after all.
“You can argue other reasons”
No you can’t.
@@End-Result
Yes you can... the ones who arrive illegally on boats...
And the small amounts of immigrants which have been discovered connected to terrorist organisations.
Those are the Immigrants the UK doesn't need
@@End-Resultthe UK is very introverted and hates meeting new people
Thats a reason
@@RusticRonnieYou say that whilst half of London's population is made up of immigrants
I thought i would call A and E services to see what the wait times were, as my daughter managed to get a small marble up her nose, this is in Mid Cheshire, one came in at 18hours another at 16 hours We ended up at the local hospital only to be told come back next week, that small object could easily have gone down into her lungs. I noted the door had a large security guard on it, This is what we have been reduced to.
I retired to Thailand some 12 years ago, Mrs May murdered the Brexit negotiations, the pound as always nose dived, we stuck it out for three years but decided to return and what a shocker that was.
My wife is Thai we have two children, my wife pays her taxes and NI, i have a good pension, I pay tax on it,
This tory policy is ill thought out and will rip families apart, I am disgusted with them, You mention the £19000 original earning figure, i say that was the Highest in Europe . Setting this figure so high is nonsensical and punishes people and families.
To get into the UK my wife had to pass an English test, prove she had no criminal record proved she didn't have TB, pay into the NHS but still pays her NI and taxes, that's a double whammy, AND i had to prove we had somewhere to live and was above the 19k threshold.
This will drive skilled people out of the country just not in one sector across all areas, If i were younger i wouldn't hesitate to leave this mess of a country. I have never ever in my life seen such a stupid government as this, everything they touch they mess up.
Angry you bet i am !
I chuckle at comments suggesting the UK is missing out on people; don't toot your own horn so fast, the country is overpopulated, especially in the sprawling, crowded cities where everyone is flocking. The ongoing refugee crisis exacerbates the situation, with a massive influx of people who are often uneducated, barely speak English, and require accommodations, creating a burden on housing and resources. Once these individuals are "naturalized", they end up in social housing, stuck in segregated ghetto enclaves, often time placed on universal credits. We see a steady increase in underground work, with more people avoiding taxes, and a rise in criminal activities such as theft, prostitution and drug abuse, turning many areas into cesspools.
I think this bill is aimed at those who are not exactly enriching the UK, those who tend to exploit the welfare system. A hypothetical typical scenario unfolds: a Muslim arrives, claims asylum, eventually gains citizenship, starts some odd job, maybe he already has a wife in his country and kids, it was not legally documented tho maybe somewhere in the highly organized sharia court in Bangladesh, so he legally ties the knot (She is with 5 kids waiting to come to her new home), or someone eventually ties the knot with someone (Pakistani cousin or through an arranged marriage) from their home country. The eventual result? Eight little cute Muslim Pakistani babies and a cascade of additional benefit claims. These families become an economic strain when you don't regulate this, and it seems like this bill was intended to address and potentially resolve this issue by trying to reduce the amount of spongers in the UK, I somehow doubt that the UK government wants to get rid of highly educated English-speaking 27-year-old ready to work guys and gals.
The state of the NHS is absolutely awful, my mother has been a trained nurse for decades, and I literally earn more than her whilst working at McDonald's, they are so underpaid its laughable.
I'm Danish, and I also have a Chinese girlfriend from Malaysia. The rules is pretty strict here in Denmark.
Why make it so hard, for citizens to get a girlfriend outside our native country. While we for decades have received thousands upon thousands of refugees, but I cannot get a foreign girlfriend staying. It seems like England does exactly the same 😠
Why bring refugees into your problems, refugees didn't stop your girlfriend from coming over, and you're wrong about UK, hardly any refugees make it to over here in UK as there are no legal ways to enter UK other than few dingy boats risking their lives, would your girlfriend risk her life? 2 different problems compared by prejudice trash.
Not that the Netherlands is perfect, but somehow UK politics makes other nations' politics look... well thought out.
UGH
I highly encourage you to visit Poland then.
Their governments throughout the years have generally been kinda nuts.
Politicians calling each other garbage, traitors, etc...
@@BetweoxwiteganRacial tensions are mad there, had a programming competition there a few weeks back and it was insane, insanely far right politician won the election, ethnic minorities (of the most “hated” kind, especially in the Netherlands) throwing stones and explosives at the police, and all this why we just went to the shopping centre to buy a European plug adapter 😂😂
@@BetweoxwiteganI’m studying in the Netherlands right now and the quality of education is terrible.
At the very least EU legislation recognises that it is best for families to remain together, thus allow for family to accompany the main visa holder/national.
16:27 - unfortunately, they're wrong there. International students with dependents will *not* be replaced by international students without dependents. The planned changes to the student dependents rule were already announced in spring, and this caused a MASSIVE drop in international student recruitment across the higher education sector. This is why you're now seeing university cuts and redundancies everywhere. (I work for a university, and this has resulted in a £15 million deficit at my institution alone.)
You forget that back in the 2000s, Labour brought in the rules where Scots and Catholics (and others - but not for weddings in the Church of England) needed to get government permission to marry a non-EU/EEA national in the UK.
For which there was a fee (non-refundable). - The 2004 Asylum and Immigration act has the relevant passages.
It eventually got kicked out by the courts on the basis that the exemption for the Church of England contravened European law on treating people the same under the law, regardless of religion.
Solution - vote SNP (in Scotland at least).
I hate this government. Seriously, everything they do is hurrendous.
Yeah, theyre disgusting and should not be in government.
Salting the earth before they are kicked out 😰
it is not the fault of this government, it is EVERY government. If you think the next one will be any better, than you are half asleep. i've been watching this circus for decades, expecting the next government to change things. nothing changes at a general election, it never did. only mugs are gonna vote labour because tories are criminals, news alert, they all are.
One of my friend lost a job and went overtime to find a job and get married in the US and got everything sorted to bring he’s companion to the UK…
Then this hit and he is absolutely mad that this had happened. He had this planned for over a year…
The problem is we've taken in 12 million people since 1997 and the amount per year keeps increasing. And actually, this policy cannot be being enforced universally as we had 1.2 million people arrive here in the last year. A great many of those were not earning anywhere near 38,700 pounds a year obviously. My personal opinion is we have people employed in our passport offices who are choosing people ethnically like themselves. But the cowards in government and our civil service are not prepared to investigate or whistleblow!
As a person who grew up in an old mining community in Doncaster (though I moved about 10 years ago now) I have never been more offended by someone from there. Doncaster's issues come from the Tories from way back in the Thatcher days
This effectively bans me from returning to my own country because I'm married to a Korean. Me and my husband and both highly skilled (in translation and tiling) but can't earn that much.
(Not that you should have to be "highly skilled" to have your human right to family life be respected, but just highlighting how much they are bullshitting.)
Yeah I don't get the point of insisting on people being highly skilled to be allowed to live in your country, even though I'm doing machine learning stuff myself. Doesn't the right wing also simultaneously claim that too many people go to universities and there is no-one left to do trades?
@@Xtrems Because children of households with low education background are more likely to earn less and are way more less educated. Don't speak the language as well and will more likely result in bad immigration and the forming of parallel cultures.
If you want this cycle to break you would have to put a lot more money in the public education system and help disadvantage kids and give them opportunities and help to work on their educational shortcomings as well as support them in their family life.
My GF and I recently graduated. My GF- an American citizen, and I, a British citizen. Due to the increase in the salary threshold, we're going to have to find some other way for her to stay in the UK (I believe they also take savings into account on the spousal visa application) or I'll have no choice but to leave the country. I hope to all Gods that the Tories reverse this ludicrous policy, at least for the spousal visa if nothing else, and I hope they realize that all this is going to accomplish is a resultant net loss in taxpayers, and therefore a net loss in public services funding.
Well if they are anything like conservatives in the US, their plan is to ultimately bankrupt the government
Savings yes, current threshold on that is 62k.
You give them too much credit if you think they're capable of realizing they've made a mistake. :(
If you don't want to go the the US (totally understandable), you could end up in the EU. Ireland is probably the obvious choice, but you do have a ton of countries to choose from.
@@matejlieskovsky9625 how, the UK ended free movement of people into and from Europe when it Brexited.
You need an Irish passport to live in Ireland, apart from if you are from a European Union country - in that case there is free movement of people across Europe.
To be fair that guy going on about the NHS wait times I've had that experience. Last time i had to go to the hospital i was waiting for 4 hours just to have a doctor that didn't even speak English see me, then get a second and third oppion from other foreign doctors. They didnt even know what they were doing, also how did you go from no doctors for 4 hours to being seen by 3? I also had a speech and language therapist for my daughter that i couldn't understand a word from, i was blown away.
He's seeing things through his own world view and trying to back it up with govt/council stats (which seem optimstic at best). People that are born and bred here know the UK has changed.
Just buy a piece of land and declare independents. If you choose to be a monarchy you wont be charged with treason.
I really hope the uk media picks up on how outraged most people are about this. We are effectively becoming one of the most authoritarian countries if this goes ahead. Its scary stuff.
I work in domiciliary care, we have been recruiting from abroad because despite extensive attempts we cannot attract uk workers. We pay above minimum wage and have the best working conditions of local agencies.
If we lose our overseas workers/cannot attract new ones we will be unable to provide care to vulnerable people and every local agency is in the same position.
The measures to solve the care crisis have worked, why are they determined to wreck it and put the care industry back in the position we were in 2 years ago? It's almost like preventing immigration and shortening life expectancy of the vulnerable will kill 2 birds with 1 stone....
Pretty sure particular in demand care jobs are on the exemption list. This video is referring yo fhr spousal visa- it's the amount the British person they have married has to earn (there is a way to have savings counted aswell). Ofc if their wife or husband doesn't earn enough, they can go thr route other immigrants go which is apply based on their job and skills etc where there are whole lists of jobs completely exempt from the minimum earnings limit or that have a reduced limit around the "average earnings for that field" because the jobs are in high demand.
That's down to the government to get the lazy arsed brits off their arses and daytime tv and get out and work instead of free loading off the tax payers. Problem solved.(notice I did not say disabled people before they all get their knickers in a twist)
The government and I assume the 'care industry' were complicit in the sacking of over 50,000 care workers because they refused to get jabbed with an experimental COVID vaccines, and they wanted to keep their human rights of bodily autonomy. And now you have the gall to claim that there is a shortage of care workers and more immigrants should be allowed in to cover for the incompetence and disgusting behaviour of the government and the Care service in their treatment of previous workers.
I'm a Brit with a French/German boyfriend, I have just graduated from University and won't make £38k for a while. It's very sad to say goodbye but the UK is losing another skilled worker.
The fact that the UK government expect migrant workers to earn this amount, which is very close to the UK's average income, and yet fail to support British nationals to earn that very same expectancy is disgraceful.
Evan, you live in the real world, The government lives in an alternate reality.
UK government literally saying "have you tried being not poor???"
“Literally”
Pretty much, have to agree.
@@Blorp_The most OVERUSED word in the rapidly dying language.
Remember, Brexit was all about fixing and funding the NHS! 🤦🏻♂️
I work at a university and currently someone with a salary of £38,900 would be the equivalent of a person with a PhD and 4 years of experience. It's going to restrict so many people coming to the country to do research
My son and his long term Canadian partner soon to be wife will be hit by this. It breaks my heart that they may be forced to move to Canada where I probably will not be able to see much of them any more let alone my potential grandchildren.
My wife is caring for our 2 young british born girls. I earn 31k as a microbiologist. I have an extension coming up this spring so i might need to leave my family and return home now leaving behind my wife and kids. Im so stressed and heartbroken. I dont know what to do.
Try not to worry until you absolutely have to. This may very well either not be put in place or not apply to you.
@@michellemaine2719 it “may not apply to you” is not an acceptable or logical response. If ANYONE was penalised and attacked on this level it would still be an affront to everyone who cares about their human, civil, economic and personal rights .
"british born" huh? What is their ancestry?
@@terrenceroll3848 my wife is british and I'm south african. My kids are born in Britain and have british passports. I'm the outlier and we don't have enough income collectively to remain here. If my wife didn't care for our kids then we'd definitely have enough income. But we don't have a choice I'm afraid. They're only little.
@@carl4017 What kind of south african?
I’m a current international student in the UK, in a long term relationship with a UK citizen, intending on staying here full time… I feel like this is all one big joke lol
they really have just come out and said 'we're no longer suggesting that happy families shouldn't exist, we're just going to flat out demolish the entire model.'
Hi just to clarify, it's changing the minimum income requirement from 18,600 pounds a year to 38,700 pound a year, so it's a really big increase.
Imagine banning school teachers from your country... that is the height of stupidity
No the height or stupidity is thinking people that run fringe political parties and have accounts on Coutts, are just like you
I suggest if your interested you actually look into the new policies instead of believing half truths . The fact that the only foreign teachers we employ are uni lecturers ,and they start on £40,000 , is just one example of a half truth told
@@Raven44453 but future school teachers will not be able to come here… which is incredibly stupid
@@Raven44453 "your interested"
Comme c'est ironique.
@@Raven44453 your teachers can’t afford to marry the love of their lives if they’re not citizens. That’s stupid too.
I'm a UK citizern and my partner is here under settled status, thankfully, so this doesn't directly affect us. However, the obvious xenophobic policies for cheap vote grabs from the ill-informed has been sickening. This last lot of announcements was the final straw. We are leaving the UK next year.
Italy requires - I think it's about €38K in passive income for retiree immigrants, plus the same amount deposited in an Italian Bank.
Portugal has drastically increased both the amount to be deposited in a Portuguese Bank and the annual income requirement. Plus, to get a Resident Visa, you must have a 12-month rental contract. All of this is BEFORE you get a Visa.
France is currently revising its Immigration requirements.
This is happening all over Europe - attempts at curbing Immigration. But it will only discourage productive and motivated Immigrants and won't address the illegal Immigration problems.