Yeah like I get historical accuracy but in that case, that part of Zhang Fei's story should've never been adapted in the first place it just ruins his character
haha Xiahouji for sure. I remember watching Xiahou Yuan’s ending in dw9 and being immediately grossed out when she said she had kids. like why do your kids look 10 years older than you ?😂
The Qiao sisters need the biggest change in design and in personality. Make them 18 and 17. 12 and 13 is just weird when they are shown with their spouses. To Zhuge Liang I'd add a pokerface personality trait. Historically this guy was soo much more of a menace than his counterpart Sima Yi.
Iirc zhuge liang cant keep a poker face its why he has a feather fan yue ying gave it to him so that he can hide his face when he scheme cuz apparently he makes a weird face or like thpse villanouse smile so he uses the fan to hide his mouth
They need to attach Bao Sanniang to Guan Yinping.. She can still have her infatuation with Guan Suo, but I would write her as being lifelong friends with Yinping.. And whilst Yinping is growing stronger, Sanniang feels she is weaker than her friend and fights to grow stronger and prove her worth
Add Xingcai to the mix then they can all relate to losing people they like/family. Xingcai’s unresolved thing with Guan Ping could come into play (best thing about DW5), and it would also improve Xingcai as a whole as she can use that pain to support Liu Shan (who also needs work ngl I can’t stand his design - generic Liu Shan was a better character) and to guide Bao Sanniang
Bao Sanniang is a character that has a lot of potential! In DW9, in the Capture of Chengdu she defended the first gate and I remember her being harder to defeat than Lu Bu. She should have a more significant role even after Guan Suo's death, in her biography she heroically defends Jiameng upon learning of her husband's death. She was also a free-spirited and courageous woman, not liking to live with the conservative norms of the time. Also her portrayal in ROTK is one of the most beautiful for me.
In DW8, she was a pair of ears away from being a catgirl. She was sufficiently self-aware of her out-of-placeness that I couldn't dislike her, but giving her a more serious core beneath the bubbly would have greatly improved her.
Zhen Ji- They made her too codependent of Cao Pi. Kinda of like those married couples where one of the spouses loses their hobbies and interests because they're too focused on their spouse's.
Historically, Zhen Ji seemed to have gotten along with her mother-in-laws. If they add Lady Liu or Lady Bian, that would be another character that Zhen Ji. Maybe they could serve as a role model for her so we can see Zhen Ji’s posh “mask” slip ever so often. Not sure why they never made a bigger connection to her and Zhang He. They’re both former Yuan Shan aligned characters and have similar imagery. A friendship between them would be cool as well.
And to make her being into bara/bears because it reminded her of Uncle Yuan? Sus I mean I can see why because I’m a big Yuan simp, but like….it’s not it, let alone zhang fei
Zhang fei kidnapped her during the period when Liu Bei’s under Cao Cao’s watch. It’s speculated by many historians in China (by zeroing on the political landscape of wei and relationships between important players at the time via analyses of available reliable historical records) that Zhang fei got her with the intention of making her a hostage when push comes to shove, but then the Xiahou family, especially XiahouYuan didn’t actually end up caring all that much about her and never even tried to get her back. Of course, there’s much more intricate and complicated details as to how everything played out exactly, but the gist is that.
@@unibear6372 See, that's an angle you can play up to make this work. Zhang Fei realizes her family is writing her off and actually tries to show a little decorum, which leads to her warming up to him. That can work, it's not the most historically accurate thing (naturally) but it's structurally sound as a story, which is what we're aiming for.
@@Sorain1honestly I see that as the only way of salvaging those characters to be palatable. They need to age Xiahouji up if her children are in the game and then present her as a kidnapped victim whose own family didn’t really care about her. Then her and Zhang Fei gradually warm up to each other.
My list would be, not in any particular order: Honorable mention: Cao Ren (They should lean more heavily into the whole humanist and pacifist side of his personality that came out more in earlier games.) 10. Xu Huang/Taishi Ci (They could honestly be the same. Just generic honorable warrior types. For Taishi Ci they should lean a bit more into the family angle highlighting his mom and how Sun Ce not only admires his skills, but his devotion to family. Make him more of a compassionate and softie type warrior, at least to his allies. I have no ideas for Xu Huang, but he needs a better personality) 9. Xu Zhu (The whole fat and hungry thing is a disservice to Cao Cao's bodyguard and one of their strongest warriors. I'm fine with his personality still being childlike and gullible, but making him stupid and fat is a bad move. They could make him childlike without stupid.) 8. Deng Ai (He has the personality of a wet paper bag in the games which is a shame since he was pretty much the main star Wei general after 234 and Jiang Wei's rival. He should have a much more dynamic personality. He needs a total rework) 7. Yuan Shao (His personality until DW5 was perfect, now he's just a meme for an aristocrat. Revert him to his former self.) 6. Han Dang (The whole I'm forgettable thing is lame. Lean much more heavily into how he feels an increasing sense of responsibility for the Sun family after Sun Jian's death, sort of like an adoptive fatherly role, especially as all the old guard dies and it's just still him looking out for Sun Jian's legacy and family) 5. Zhu Ran (Great look, just needs to be less of a meme about fire and burning things. Make him a bit more serious focusing on his childhood friendship with Sun Quan) 4. Xiao Qiao (She's an annoying child in the games which also makes Zhou You look like a pedo. She needs a complete overhaul) 3. Bao Sanniang (She's incredibly annoying and has no role in the story at all. They have never had a clue what to do with her and they need to rework her entire personality and role in the story) 2. Guan Ping (He looks awesome but his entire personality is him talking about his dad. He needs a personality of his own.) 1. Wei Yan (He was cunning and tactically smart, not a dumb barbarian. He needs a much better persona that allows his personality to shine, Also focus on his and Ma Dai's relationship a lot more)
@@TheNightowlGaming Thanks dude! I appreciate it. I do think the sad reality though is unless they go the Samurai Warriors 5 route for Dynasty Warriors 10 that we will never see characters reworked, at least not a complete overhaul. Since they’re at almost 100 characters I personally don’t see them devoting time and energy to completely redo characters. It’s a shame, but I think it’s the sad reality.
Them downplaying Guan Ping’s relationship with Xingcai and preferring Liu Shan is kind of bad for everyone involved. Idk if it’s the same Japanese woman moral reason that made Diaochan and Lu Lingqi never interact (which is bullshit anyway Diaochan just disappearing like that makes no sense and it blocks Lady Yan appearing forever) but I would’ve thought it’s clear it’s in the past and referring to it just makes sense and can potentially flesh out not just them three.
Wei Yan is the big one I would go with needing a complete overhaul. Fascinating to see others have a similar view on Yuan Shao, kind of heartening to know.
I agree with all but one. Yuan Shoa. I think his pompous, arrogant attitude well represents his characterization in the novels and other three kingdoms media. I would replace his spot with a double, as I have long felt these 2 characters could switch aesthetics. Ma Dai and Xu Shu. The assassins creed vibes do not fit Xu Shu at all, while Ma Dai handled special/secret assignments for Zhuge Liang, including the assassination/execution (depending on its framing) of Wei Yan. The mystical painter/strategist aesthetic would be better suited to Xu Shu than Ma Dai, as I don’t feel Ma Dai is all that much of a strategist, as they tried to paint him (pun intended) in DW7/8.
I absolutely adore Guo Huai & Han Dang. They may not have the most development but they both stand out to me, I love their looks, movesets and personalities and they’re both in my top 10 characters. I’d swap Guo Huai on this list with Ma Dai - I honestly cannot stand him and I hate the paintbrush (I’m not counting the axes as his because I like each character having a unique weapon and they’re Zhang Liao’s). Yuan Shao is another one I’m not sure I agree on - I like a lot more DW6 onwards. I agree with the majority of your other picks though!
@@tonys9397 I know but I feel like DW8 gave each character a weapon that’s right for them & in 8, they’re Zhang Liao’s. Although I will say, I think Pang De really suited them.
Honestly I think this is what happens when you just have too many characters within roughly the same time line: Yellow turban rebellion- Wu Zhang Plains. From DW3-DW9 there’s almost 100 characters now. It’s almost impossible to flesh out several characters unless they add new made up battles. I dunno. I just don’t know how they’re going to do it. Especially when the next game comes out I’m sure their going to add even more characters. I knew it was heading downhill when in DW8 each battle you play as several characters instead of just one.
Yeah they could do it, the game is not that big, they could make it bigger and better, maybe budget constraints, but still I'd take a reduction in graphics for a better well in depth story
Now that you mention it, I actually feel most of these characters share a similar problem in that they seem to be designed around one small detail and that detail is the only thing that ever matters. I feel like that's what Koei is just doing with all they're new characters ever since dw8, if not 7.
I like Guo Huai but you are spot on with the coughing. Like this poor guy looks like he's going to die for years in the storyline. Give this man some DayQuil or something before sending him out to fight.
The great thing about Samurai Warriors... they do so many female characters better. Lu Lingqi in DW8 was really good though. She is unique and had some connection with her father. I like Xingcai, but they don’t really expand on her connection with other characters.
Good list, I don't care about some charecters (Guan and Zhang kids (except Xing Cai), Xiao sisters, Boa, Zhu Ran) and if they remove them not really miss em. The only character I disagree is Wei Yan, I love his barbarian stick. But if they explore his unjustly treatment I'm totally okay with that. Yuan Shao need better treatment, Han Dang should be more memorable, Guo Huai shouldn't be annying, Xu Shu definetely need better treatment. And Li Dian is an important figure without their support Cao Cao finished by Lu Bu, his rivalry with Zhang Liao would be much better. And nothing could save Xiahou Ji, she must be completely removed. Here is my additions: Meng Huo and Zhurong: They should be more active and capable. Xu Huang: One of the best generals, he need better treatment. They could explore his friendship with Guan Yu. A better explored Yuan campaing fix so many thing. Cai Wenji: More interaction with story could help her,, I really love her moveset. Jiang Wei: I'm not Shu fan but god this character is annoying as hell. They should make him less annoying or less imbecile.
From these top 10, maybe I have another opinion (or same as yours) - Li Dian: deeper explanation of how he could discover his foresight ability and retain his DW9 DLC weapon and moveset - Bao Sanniang: deeper story before meeting Guan Suo and her life after Guan Suo's death - Yuan Shao: his personality should be reverted back to DW4-DW5 one since Yuan Shu somewhat mimics his recent personality - Hua Xiong: his weapon and deeper personality than just another (one-sided) Lu Bu's rival - Zhou Cang: his weapon and interaction with Zhao Yun to make his personality well-written - Xiahouji: her physical appearance (she's too babyface and childlike for the wild and barbaric Zhang Fei) and weapon that really suits her personality - Guo Huai: I disagree with yours. His loyalty really takes a toll on his physical health and that what makes him a well-written character for me - Zhang Bao: just change his weapon
Interesting, I dont think Guo Huai needs to be coughing every second ALSO, if you ever notice Guo Huai he only coughs when he's talking and not when he's standing there lol like it's very strange.. they need to change that it's just really gimmicky
who would you give the pizza cutter to then? NGL if Man Chong was more martial I wouldn’t mind if he had it but hey Also I actually think Yuan Shu is just old Yuan Shao and I think it’s fine? Yuan Shao’s old personality is just stuck up but his frenemy thing with Cao Cao being elaborated now made him more human and makes his motivations clearer
@@sjacpswbs03162005 the pizza cutter? Do you mean Li Dian's weapon in DW8? I'd like to give it to Hua Xiong as I find that Club is not suitable with him
Some great points, but I think being "fat and childlike", or "coughing all the time" or "Dumb barbarian" makes some of these characters atleast noticeable unfortunately. You're right, these characters deserve a better personality, but this dumb schtick makes them different, adds more variety and people remember them more compared to some of the "good badass" characters.
Yeah and i know that's why they did it, but there's ways to do it without it being so unrelatable and I think if they keep their schticks or give them something different or even being a supporting character at least they have a stronger role than being this person with this impediment and no one likes it
I disagree with a good chunk of your point of Guo Huai. I think toning him down a bit is a good idea but part of his charm is the fact he's ghastly and frail looking and kicks ass with the Arm Cannon (a Glass Cannon type character). Maybe like Guo Jia have him being prone to overexerting himself. Wei Han I agree with
Thats not a cowboy hat LOL. Its called a "Futou" and its always shown in paintings and art of Zhou Cang (and a couple others like Ma Dai). The only thing "wrong" about Zhou Cang's look is actually his lack of a beard as he is described as "A strong, muscular man who wore his Futou tilted forward. He had piercing eyes, and a scruff of beard making his features look similar to a bears"- Legends of the three Kingdoms". I think he was designed like he was because his descriptions would have him looking very similar to Zhang Fei. He was also gruff, and spoke his mind like Zhang Fei did as well, so they did him this way to make him more unique. I completely agree with two on this list. Guo Huai and Xu Zhu. Both deserve a more respectful presentation. Xu Zhu stood toe to toe with some of the best of that time, like Ma Chao, Yan Liang and Wen Chou, Gan Ning, and many others. He was no slouch, but a monster of a warrior. Guo Huai was a good leader and strategist.
@@TheNightowlGaming Me too, really. I knew how Zhou Cang SHOULD look, and so I was disappointed in his boy-band youthful appearance. I know WHY they changed him, but I wasnt too happy they did. Nothing wrong with 2 gruff guys. It IS a war setting after all. And if they were going to do Guan Suo's fictional wives from his fantasy novel, they should have done them all AND had a stage for this. I don't like Guan Suos design at all! Chinese boy-george? No thanks! If you read his fantasy novel, he is an absolute boss. More like a final fantasy lead character than this pop-idol wannabe we ended up with. And his wives are really cool in that book, but Bao Sanniang is probably the least interesting of them. My favorite of his wives was Huaman. Daughter of Meng Huo and Zhurong. She would have been a great addition. Wang Suo and Wang Tuo, the sisters he married, were pretty cool too. One was more like a tactician and the other like a knight. But NO ONE who isnt familiar with his novel would know any of them, so without a stage showing people who they were, adding even Bao Sanniang was weird. But we all know that they do stuff like this for the casuals. I feel like I am forgetting one of the wives....Its been years since I read it. And I could have sworn their were 5......
I really liked Guo Jia. His illness bothered me, but he kind of reminded me of a Chinese Vampire. Him and his Arm-Cannon, plus the Musou of life leeching… Damn fine! Still… He could use some work. Hua Xiong… I saw him kind of like a strong follower to Lu Bu’s ideals. I could see him being this strong, silent guardian. His weapon would be a tie between a giant javelin, to a Chinese war hammer. Xu Zhu should be this strong, honorable farmer. Took on the role of a soldier because of the war. He fights because he wants things to be back to peace so he can enjoy farming. He’s not stupid, shouldn’t sound stupid, nor be treated like he is.
Id want Xu Zhu: Making him the big fat stupid guy is a disservice to one of Cao Cao's finest bodyguards. You can make him a nice and you can make him simple but he shouldnt be an idiot The Guan babies: All of them are there to say how cool Guan Yu is. Then they die off screen. Give them more motivation than just 'my dads so cool'. Sun Shang Xiang: She really should have more to do than being married to Liu Bei. Remember when she could be the commander of Wu stages if you played as her. Now shes a glorified Shu character but you cant play as her in the Shu story Wei Yan: Making him talk like a barbarian doesnt make any sense. You can make him the big scary guy but you gotta play up the fact that hes as loyal to Liu Bei as anyone else in Shu
Haha nice, ZHang Bao dies off a cliffside? That would be cool to see in the games, and yeah the club definitely could be made better, hopefully they just make these people better
@@TheNightowlGaming I did. I'm 50/50 on Bao because I feel like the top way to improve her is to add 3 specific characters that would fall for Guan Suo and go hard on his Harem Anime Protagonist Vibes.
I pretty much agree with all of this The Qiao Sisters need to be aged up a little more mature they can still be naive and innocent (see Xiao Qiao in the red cliff movie) but not childish Li Dian really needs a lot of work build up the romance with Yue Jin and his rivalry with Zhang Liao (I am a fan of making this due to Zhang Liao killing his uncle) and definitely make him pick a personality I would recommend cutting Bao Sanniag and merging Guan suo and Guan Xing but she definitely needs to have a story of herself independent of her husband and then build her relationships with her husband new comrades You could replace Zhou Cang with Liao Hua they basically fulfill the same role except that Liao can get a new role post Fancheng. Old Yuan Shao was best! Give him Back koei!!! 9 was a bit better i agree especially the armor. The problem with making Yuan shao, Dong Zhuo and others joke characters is it detracts from the story. Why is Dong Zhuo a threat if he’s such a cartoony villain. Why would people follow yuan shao in the coalition if hes so… like that. He doesn’t seem like someone cao Cao would consider a threat or even an obstacle when in the games and the lore he was! Zhang Bao should really get the 2010 treatment. Trained under his father acquired considerable skills but without the vices of his fathet however he doesn’t quite measure up to his father nevertheless he is the vanguard of the Shu army post Fancheng leading from the front trying to push his way forward. This would make his eventual death in the northern expedition all the more tragic a man who tried his hardest to be the new battlefield leader but just couldn’t quite get there. I actually like the double flail i was surprised although I think him and guan xing should have a variant of their fathers weapons like in the novel Yeah Hua Xiong needs to be more of serious threat like i said with dong and yuan. They should give him the mace so pang de gets the halberds and Zhang liao gets the guandao Yes justice for Guo huai!!! I rather have wei yan be like ferb from phineas and ferb was he doesn’t talk a lot but when he does he says something really insightful. But if not dw4 is ok. Delete Xiahou Ji!!! Wo Long Xu Zhu seems interesting hopefully they take that route for dynasty warriors
Man, I just want Liao Hua to have a unique model xD. I want them to change Xu Zhu from bodyguard to an actual general of Wei later in the story. Sun Jian - I want Koei to show how he defeated Hua Xiong and Lu Bu. The guy will die early on come on xD
Li Dian should just be homo but not flamboyant. He can also share a stronger bromance with Yue Jin but without being shoved in our faces. Its more respectful imo if they just make their relationship subtle but obvious. OR , just make it follow history Zhou Cang’s speed is hilarious. Just make his weapon reflect it and then ground his personality 🤷🏻♂️ i somewhat agree with you though I want yuan shao to be less of a fool as you said. Honestly the entire 2nd gen Shu needs help. Too little depth I whole heartedly agree about revamping wei yan. All they need to do is fix is caveman persona and he’d be great, weapon is already sick and most of his designs are too Xu zhu is historically a beast. How they gonna make him such an oaf. Btw, love the intros you made for each placement
I think Li Dian's interesting, they just need to go a little more over the top with both of his gimmicks. Doesn't need a massive change imo, just, make him 'more' of what he already is. I think Zhou Cang is... fine. I like the idea of him just being a speedster, that's kinda fun. Could use a little bit more to him, but I don't think he needs massive changes. Yuan Shao in DW9 'is' back to how he used to be. I really think people just, hear the higher pitch voice, and assume he's still goofy. Dw9 Yuan Shao has more depth than DW5 and prior ever did. Especially since they acknowledged he's adopted. He's not a real Yuan, so it frames all of his "NO, THIS IS MY PRIDE AND HONOUR" behaviour, as trying to prove himself constantly, and makes his interactions with Cao Cao way better. I think you're completely wrong on Hua Xiong. He's not just a big dumb oaf. The game makes it very clear, he's a capable, competent commander. He's just 'simple'. He trusts everyone easily, he doesn't understand social situations well, he's easily manipulated, he's all in all a good person, but he works for the villain. There is depth, and lots of potential there. Especially around the end of his campaign in DW9 where the peons are all talking about how much they love him. I do agree on a different weapon, though of the club users, I did find his moveset the most fun. That is a bit of a low bar though. I really think they should give him something similar to Masanori Fukushima's weapon, which, they did do in Wo Long. They released a design document talking about his visual design, and, that exact weapon, perfectly matches everything they were aiming for with Hua Xiong. That's what I'd like to see in the future. Pretty much agree on the rest, maybe not on 'how' I'd like to see them changed, but, definitely changed in some ways. Personally, I'd add on : - Zhu Ran. Just... The worst written character in the game. Genuinely, every singular aspect of his personality, revolves around, "I like fire and don't like Lu Xun." He's such a dissappointment. - Ma Chao. Ma Chao is interesting, but, he feels like he's constantly being pulled in different directions. Especially with Wang Yi around. Small changes needed I think. - Wang Yuanji. She was so good in DW7. What the hell happened. - Zhuge Dan. Also amazing in DW7. Dear god they butchered him. - Xun Yu. He's boring. Xun You, at least is used comedically, he's bland, but that's kinda the joke. Jia Xu messes with him, everyone's partying around him, and Xun You is just sitting there looking like he hasn't slept in weeks. Xun Yu... Just, doesn't have anything. Like, there's no gimmick, there's no real personality. He's just kinda there. - Cai Wenji. She's actually perfect. But, she's never used in game. She literally just needs to be put in some stages. Make no changes, never give her the whip again. - Taishi Ci. Character who's been around since DW1. Has never seen any significant changes, doesn't look or act anything like the man he's based on, and there's not much to him. I don't dislike Taishi Ci, I just think he could be better. - Xu Huang. Similar to Taishi Ci. He was interesting, there's a lot you could do to add to him. Both Xu Huang and Taishi Ci suffer from, "Being like Zhang Liao, but Zhang Liao is better in every way." - Zuo Ci. Delete him. Or, turn him into a hidden op bossfight. There's no reason he should be in the story mode.
Love the optimism for the changes and the in depth look at them, we disagree on some things for sure, but I dont mind the suggestions of what you put, I definitely advocate for more in depth characters and story over them looking or having the right weapon, so if they push that first vs the aesthetics of the character, thats totally fine w me
I think when it comes to characters like Bao Sanniang and Zhou Cang, I feel like they didnt really try because, ultimately, they weren't real. They were created OC characters. So Toei just went whatever. There is definitely something they could do, but truthfully id like them to focus on other characters. Edit: Also, as i am currently going through Dynasty Warriors 9, i feel like Xiahouji should not have been created. I appreciate how they changed how Zhang Fei and her got together. If you know the history though... Idk, if they werent trying to make Zhang Fei seem more barbaric than he already is, including her probably wasnt in best hindsight.
I would love Xin Xianying to got through a complete revamp as well, listening to her go on makes my ears bleed. I cannot play as her because of it. I would also love to see Zhou Tai get some more development too, as he was a pirate first and ended up as a high ranking general who was given authority over Gan Ning and Xu Sheng and was never just Sun Quan's bodyguard.
Zhou Tai definitely could use a little more development and yeah Xin Xianying's purpose definitely needs to be developed, I talk about her in my Underdeveloped video!
As far as revamps go, I'll go with Lingqi, now here me out. I think she should join Shu. Why? Well, out of the two playable survivors, Zhang Liao joins Wei. I feel she would secretly resent that, and would only join Liu Bei to get revenge on Cao Cao. I know it's not historically accurate, but virtually nothing is none of her historical self anyway. I just feel like something more can be done with her, and I feel like she would have contributed well during the escape of Chang Ban, and most likely the Battle of Chi Bi. I feel she would do so well there and show off her father's legacy well. If you want the "daughter of the demon" to survive the war, why not show her still fighting when she said she would? Regarding that, with the whole father complex, she'd get along with or have a friendly rivalry with Guan Ping. Maybe they'd catch feelings? Who knows, but it would be because of this bond that she would stand with him and heroically die during the battle of fan castle.
It's so strange Xiahouji carries a sword and shield... 😅 She is more suited for flute or other weapons thats less offensive... And make her older like a mother 😅
I did a Zhang Bao playthrough in DW8 EMPIRES and I must say.. It was the worst playthrough I did in that game.. His personality and his weapon leave a lot to be desired
They did Xiahou Ji and the Xiao Sisters dirty, it made Zhang Fei, Zhou Yu and, Sun Ce look like pedos. If Cai Wenji was still alive during the Jin Dynasty then her story should've continued. Bao Sanniang sounds annoying af but they made her age perfect for Guan Suo to be his wife but still she sounds annoying. What happen to Wang Yi? she went incognito mode after Ma Chao died. Same with Lu Lingqi where she after Lu Bu died? Wei Wan got insulted, they did him more dirty then those girls i mentioned. Zhang Chunhua died off screen and never mentioned her death earlier. Yuan Shao is new Yuan Shao. Diao Chan disappeared. And there is more characters that need to be revamped but yeah.
I think Zhou Cang being a pretty boy was a mistake - back in the day when he was only a ROTK sprite he’s a scruffy bear type with a Nice Hat (that’s why the cowboy hat isn’t going anytime soon). I haven’t played his story, and I’m not sure I got what he fights for from the cutscenes I’ve seen would be nice to be something like he runs away from trouble and responsibilities until fan castle. But I don’t feel his relationships are fleshed out cause Guan Yu will always feel like his boss so they just need someone else that he can play off of (Liao Hua probably would be a good call). And you’d think he got to know the Guanbabies over the years and be a cool uncle but no
Xiahouji being taken at 12-14 is one thing making her not grow up is another - I think sticking to her Blast design this time is fine, but she needs to grow up a little (at least look older than Xingcai omg). It’s not like daqiao and xiaoqiao didn’t do the same! (Actually I’d argue they deaged daqiao to make them more fraternal twins which was a choice..) Also she needs her plushies. If they can make Warriors movesets for all their weird franchises for all stars they can make it for her
Xu Chu - just make him more like Dumb Bear Soldier (yes this is a voice actor joke). I think there’s ways to show he cares about the small things and he fights for who he cares about without being whatever this is. I’d enjoy it if he had a different persona sometimes but idk maybe it’s too late. Also make him more bara! Muscle and fat at the same time is gonna work for him much better. It’s almost like if he merged with hua Xiong the resulting character would fit either
I agree with all your points! I really hope they change Zhou Cang's model and give him more depth 100%, he needs more and yes yes for everything else you said
Me whatever each numbers passed on from 10 to 1 in the Video, Trying to guess the character that needs revamp even though I already got it half of the characters wrong: (update: i got it all wrong but not all at least ... Only few.. I swear..)
Seeing #9... what Yuan Shao had to do with Bao Sanniang??? Also, i wholeheartedly agree with Hua Xiong needing a revamp. I just upset that they made him a dumb character in DW9 and i prefer how he is in DW8 XL more. A probable equal to Lu Bu and someone who might be close to match him.
Its actually the line he says to her! It's from DW8 I believe! If you unlock his voice gallery he has a special interaction with Bao Sanniang! So weird lol
The biggest problem is the rooster is way too large for KOEI to really build and develop every character equally 👍 They have to cut unnecessary warriors with no significance and boring personalities (Bao Sanniang, Guan Suo, Zhou Cang, Cai Wenji, Man Chong, Xun You, Xiahou Ji,...) and put in some real interesting ones like Liao Hua, Li Yan [Shu], Niu Jin, Wen Pin [Wei], Jiang Qin, Pan Zhang [Wu], Li Jue, Gou Si, Gongsun Zan, Gao Shun [Others] ✅️
Yea man Xu Chu....He can still be big- fat and just make him meaner and aggressive instead of a giant chubby panda! Also change his weapon from the goofy club to something like the dual halberds or the giant axe! Just imagine how much cooler his interactions with Dian Wei will be or his dual with Ma Chao will be with a look/personality and weapon change! Xun You...why did they make him look so bad? Just change the character model!
I always liked Guo Huai as a joke character that you also had to take seriously. He was no more a caricature than Zhang He imo. Also, attention to detail. A few weapon abilities in 8 boosted stats if you were in critical health or knocked to the ground. Guo Huai knocking himself over with his Musou 3 or his Musou Rage counted.
He just needs an overhaul, zhang he needs to be tuned down to his dw3 version, that was the perfect zhang he, theres a way to make guo huai work, they need ot get away from the anime appeasing style
Xu Zhu needs revamp, in novel Xu Zhu is depicted to be very strong and scary person, almost as powerful as Zhang Fei, please revamp Xu Zhu, He's done dirty.
I agree with all of these, except Xiahou Ba would be my number 1, even over Xu Chu, though Xu Chu is my 2nd. Xiahou Ba was one of the coolest officers of the later 3-kingdoms, he should be like a cross between Xiahou Dun and Jiang Wei, instead he's some whiny manboy that is impossible to take seriously. The way they made Pang De look is how I picture Xiahou Ba looking. I like Guo Huai's look, but as he is, he's way too 1 note, and the game keeps giving all of his accomplishments to other characters, Jin has a bad problem of overhyping Sima Shi and Sima Zhao at the expense of their other characters, and it is unnecessary. Sima Shi is plenty cool enough without giving all of Guo Huai and Chen Tai's accomplishments to him, and all of Deng Ai and Deng Zhong's to Sima Zhao. I don't mind a club as a weapon, if it is normally proportioned. I hate the monster-hunter oversized club they go with though. Hua Xiong would be helped out by them adding Li Ru, Guo Si and Li Jue to create a true Dong Zhou faction. Give him more to play off of.
10, 9: I'm pretty sure there's plenty they can do for Li Dian. Not sure about Bao Sanniang. Don't like her. Don't think she's necessary nor interesting. 8: Hero worship ain't cool. Sure, Guan Yu is extremely loyal to Liu Bei but not the way Zhou Cang is to Guan Yu. I doubt it's that hard to fix if they're willing to retcon. 7: To be honest I think he's ok. I only don't like him in 5 and earlier. 6: My impression is that they created a bunch of next generation children and they went for the chill friendship thing instead of serious adult thing. Don't like it, but at least I think it's unique to Shu. Maybe Shu fans can appreciate it. For me though Guan Suo Guan Xing Zhang Bao I treat them all as 1 character. 5: He's too ugly. 4: I also was not fine with Guo Huai being the way he is. He grew on me though. Still, he'd be better if they at least hide his sickness a little instead of emphasising it every time. 3: I can't say much. I'm just not sure where they drew the inspiration to make him the way he is. 2: This character is a mistake. Don't revamp her. Delete her. 1: My impression is that when they created Dian Wei, they kinda combined Xu Chu and Dian Wei into one. So when they created Xu Chu they can't just make another Dian Wei. The way they treat him. All about eating and food. No other personality. Doubt they even care about him. At least his line when he came to save Cao Cao after Chi Bi in 5 is forever in my memory.
Why are you trying to get rid of their schtick? For some like Xiahou Ji, yeah her story is already problematic enough. But for Yuan Shao and Xu Chu? Not every character needs to be Cao Cao 2.0 or Guan Yu 2.0. In fact I think some of the newer characters need a schtick to avoid being a bland copycat of the previous character. Before DW7 they add characters with differing personalities that you can either really hate or love. Now it seems like they want every characters to be likable. NOOO Not every character need to be the poster guy. Why can't a character exist to be laughed or jeered at? They have dozens of characters by now surely they already have their poster guys and girls already among them.
Mmm I think it''s a mixture of things, I don't remember what I said in the video, but I advocate for a mixture of characters being grounded along with actually giving them a chance to be liked. With certain characters that will never happen because of how over the top, not grounded the character is, I mean who would relate to that? So if I had the opportunity to overhaul the characters I would just lessen their ove the topness or through progression of their story maybe they get better (Wei Yan learns to talk clearer, Xu Zhu becomes more coherent, Yuan Shao becomes more humble, Han Dang learns to love himself regardless of others, etc...) Those character arcs would be fun to watch and by the end I think most would be rooting for them instead of rolling their eyes. My love for the game just wants all the characters to have a fair shot of being loved (except for the ones you're meant to hate like Dong Zhuo) 👍👍
@@TheNightowlGaming i would ultimately want that too, but in the end some of the characters only appear in one single main battlefield and only appear in one single cutscene. They won't have time to develop over time as most people wish for, unless they change the format of the game into a single period/saga format per game like Sengoku Basara or SW5. At the end of the day, some of the characters are only there just for the sake of "filling up" the roster, so schticks are necessary for them to stand up and actually be interesting.
I agree very much about Xiahouji. Please add some years to her Koei if she's gonna be with Zhang Fei AND be a mother to Xingcai and Zhang Bao
100%
Yeah like I get historical accuracy but in that case, that part of Zhang Fei's story should've never been adapted in the first place it just ruins his character
@@IvanDubsK7Exactly, especially since ruining his character isn't exactly hard to do if you just follow his history.
Or just pretend DW9 never happened
“Sickest person on this list… literally” 🤣🤣
haha Xiahouji for sure. I remember watching Xiahou Yuan’s ending in dw9 and being immediately grossed out when she said she had kids. like why do your kids look 10 years older than you ?😂
Lol exactly!
The Qiao sisters need the biggest change in design and in personality. Make them 18 and 17. 12 and 13 is just weird when they are shown with their spouses.
To Zhuge Liang I'd add a pokerface personality trait. Historically this guy was soo much more of a menace than his counterpart Sima Yi.
They're 12 n 13?! woahh I never minded their appearance but a little aging up doesnt hurt anyone
@@TheNightowlGaming in history they where married at 18
Zhuge Liang definitely is a little bit too reserved
Iirc zhuge liang cant keep a poker face its why he has a feather fan yue ying gave it to him so that he can hide his face when he scheme cuz apparently he makes a weird face or like thpse villanouse smile so he uses the fan to hide his mouth
DW4 Empires billed them as 16/17, I think.
They need to attach Bao Sanniang to Guan Yinping.. She can still have her infatuation with Guan Suo, but I would write her as being lifelong friends with Yinping.. And whilst Yinping is growing stronger, Sanniang feels she is weaker than her friend and fights to grow stronger and prove her worth
That'd be sick!
Add Xingcai to the mix then they can all relate to losing people they like/family. Xingcai’s unresolved thing with Guan Ping could come into play (best thing about DW5), and it would also improve Xingcai as a whole as she can use that pain to support Liu Shan (who also needs work ngl I can’t stand his design - generic Liu Shan was a better character) and to guide Bao Sanniang
@@sjacpswbs03162005 sounds like an interesting storyline
Great idea
Hua Xiong is actually improved in 8 extreme with LuBu Hypothetical story pretended to be Lu Bu . He change the Lu Bu story.
Yeah but his in game iteration is ruff
Theres several characters that were ironically better as npcs in terms of personality and story its kinda sad lol
“Take your Albino ass back to the camp!” I wasn’t ready for that, almost had me busting out laughing at my work break room
😂😂 nah man they did my man Guo Huai dirty!!
Lmao
Bao Sanniang is a character that has a lot of potential! In DW9, in the Capture of Chengdu she defended the first gate and I remember her being harder to defeat than Lu Bu.
She should have a more significant role even after Guan Suo's death, in her biography she heroically defends Jiameng upon learning of her husband's death. She was also a free-spirited and courageous woman, not liking to live with the conservative norms of the time.
Also her portrayal in ROTK is one of the most beautiful for me.
Nice yeah there's definitely more that can be done with her
There are no characters that are difficult to defeat in dw9, whether you want to or not or how you build your weapons or your level is too low.
In DW8, she was a pair of ears away from being a catgirl. She was sufficiently self-aware of her out-of-placeness that I couldn't dislike her, but giving her a more serious core beneath the bubbly would have greatly improved her.
An actual relationship between li Dian and yue jin would be so so cute.
Haha could be!
@@TheNightowlGaming it might be nice to see some relationships between people of a similar age in game lol. 😂
True lol@@blu3Phnx122x
"he was like Barney".. I died 😂
Hyuh hyuh, hey guys! Xu Zhu here! Today I am going to teach you all about the power of mean words, have any of you ever been called a mean word?
Zhen Ji- They made her too codependent of Cao Pi. Kinda of like those married couples where one of the spouses loses their hobbies and interests because they're too focused on their spouse's.
Yeah I could see that, she is really intertwined with him would love to see her branch off and have her own thing
Historically, Zhen Ji seemed to have gotten along with her mother-in-laws. If they add Lady Liu or Lady Bian, that would be another character that Zhen Ji. Maybe they could serve as a role model for her so we can see Zhen Ji’s posh “mask” slip ever so often.
Not sure why they never made a bigger connection to her and Zhang He. They’re both former Yuan Shan aligned characters and have similar imagery. A friendship between them would be cool as well.
Historically she’s put to death by Cao Pi
*gets kidnapped by Zhang Fei, but still defends him vs your own family*
And to make her being into bara/bears because it reminded her of Uncle Yuan? Sus
I mean I can see why because I’m a big Yuan simp, but like….it’s not it, let alone zhang fei
Yeah... i dont mind them changing the story but make it relatable no one wants this!
Zhang fei kidnapped her during the period when Liu Bei’s under Cao Cao’s watch. It’s speculated by many historians in China (by zeroing on the political landscape of wei and relationships between important players at the time via analyses of available reliable historical records) that Zhang fei got her with the intention of making her a hostage when push comes to shove, but then the Xiahou family, especially XiahouYuan didn’t actually end up caring all that much about her and never even tried to get her back. Of course, there’s much more intricate and complicated details as to how everything played out exactly, but the gist is that.
@@unibear6372 See, that's an angle you can play up to make this work. Zhang Fei realizes her family is writing her off and actually tries to show a little decorum, which leads to her warming up to him. That can work, it's not the most historically accurate thing (naturally) but it's structurally sound as a story, which is what we're aiming for.
@@Sorain1honestly I see that as the only way of salvaging those characters to be palatable. They need to age Xiahouji up if her children are in the game and then present her as a kidnapped victim whose own family didn’t really care about her. Then her and Zhang Fei gradually warm up to each other.
My list would be, not in any particular order:
Honorable mention: Cao Ren (They should lean more heavily into the whole humanist and pacifist side of his personality that came out more in earlier games.)
10. Xu Huang/Taishi Ci (They could honestly be the same. Just generic honorable warrior types. For Taishi Ci they should lean a bit more into the family angle highlighting his mom and how Sun Ce not only admires his skills, but his devotion to family. Make him more of a compassionate and softie type warrior, at least to his allies. I have no ideas for Xu Huang, but he needs a better personality)
9. Xu Zhu (The whole fat and hungry thing is a disservice to Cao Cao's bodyguard and one of their strongest warriors. I'm fine with his personality still being childlike and gullible, but making him stupid and fat is a bad move. They could make him childlike without stupid.)
8. Deng Ai (He has the personality of a wet paper bag in the games which is a shame since he was pretty much the main star Wei general after 234 and Jiang Wei's rival. He should have a much more dynamic personality. He needs a total rework)
7. Yuan Shao (His personality until DW5 was perfect, now he's just a meme for an aristocrat. Revert him to his former self.)
6. Han Dang (The whole I'm forgettable thing is lame. Lean much more heavily into how he feels an increasing sense of responsibility for the Sun family after Sun Jian's death, sort of like an adoptive fatherly role, especially as all the old guard dies and it's just still him looking out for Sun Jian's legacy and family)
5. Zhu Ran (Great look, just needs to be less of a meme about fire and burning things. Make him a bit more serious focusing on his childhood friendship with Sun Quan)
4. Xiao Qiao (She's an annoying child in the games which also makes Zhou You look like a pedo. She needs a complete overhaul)
3. Bao Sanniang (She's incredibly annoying and has no role in the story at all. They have never had a clue what to do with her and they need to rework her entire personality and role in the story)
2. Guan Ping (He looks awesome but his entire personality is him talking about his dad. He needs a personality of his own.)
1. Wei Yan (He was cunning and tactically smart, not a dumb barbarian. He needs a much better persona that allows his personality to shine, Also focus on his and Ma Dai's relationship a lot more)
These are some excellent points and some I didnt even think of, nice! I agree with all of em!
@@TheNightowlGaming Thanks dude! I appreciate it.
I do think the sad reality though is unless they go the Samurai Warriors 5 route for Dynasty Warriors 10 that we will never see characters reworked, at least not a complete overhaul. Since they’re at almost 100 characters I personally don’t see them devoting time and energy to completely redo characters. It’s a shame, but I think it’s the sad reality.
Them downplaying Guan Ping’s relationship with Xingcai and preferring Liu Shan is kind of bad for everyone involved. Idk if it’s the same Japanese woman moral reason that made Diaochan and Lu Lingqi never interact (which is bullshit anyway Diaochan just disappearing like that makes no sense and it blocks Lady Yan appearing forever) but I would’ve thought it’s clear it’s in the past and referring to it just makes sense and can potentially flesh out not just them three.
I love these, except Zhu Ran..
I like Zhu Ran how he is..
Wei Yan is the big one I would go with needing a complete overhaul. Fascinating to see others have a similar view on Yuan Shao, kind of heartening to know.
I agree with all but one. Yuan Shoa. I think his pompous, arrogant attitude well represents his characterization in the novels and other three kingdoms media.
I would replace his spot with a double, as I have long felt these 2 characters could switch aesthetics. Ma Dai and Xu Shu.
The assassins creed vibes do not fit Xu Shu at all, while Ma Dai handled special/secret assignments for Zhuge Liang, including the assassination/execution (depending on its framing) of Wei Yan.
The mystical painter/strategist aesthetic would be better suited to Xu Shu than Ma Dai, as I don’t feel Ma Dai is all that much of a strategist, as they tried to paint him (pun intended) in DW7/8.
Thats a good point, yeah xu shu should be the painter! lol yeah its hard to argue that one
@@TheNightowlGaming Maybe they should switch weapons by this point! XD
Guan Suo and Guan Xing should be redesigned to look similar to their portraits in RoTK. They look perfect in those games.
I wouldnt mind that at all!
I absolutely adore Guo Huai & Han Dang. They may not have the most development but they both stand out to me, I love their looks, movesets and personalities and they’re both in my top 10 characters. I’d swap Guo Huai on this list with Ma Dai - I honestly cannot stand him and I hate the paintbrush (I’m not counting the axes as his because I like each character having a unique weapon and they’re Zhang Liao’s). Yuan Shao is another one I’m not sure I agree on - I like a lot more DW6 onwards. I agree with the majority of your other picks though!
That's totally fine! Everyone's got their opinions and that's what I love about the game, I actually like Ma Dai minus the paintbrush! 😁
@@TheNightowlGamingyeah I enjoy your videos because I enjoy seeing different opinions 🙂
and I love reading everyone's! 😁😁@@thewhocritic
Axes were pang de’s originally 😤
@@tonys9397 I know but I feel like DW8 gave each character a weapon that’s right for them & in 8, they’re Zhang Liao’s. Although I will say, I think Pang De really suited them.
Honestly I think this is what happens when you just have too many characters within roughly the same time line: Yellow turban rebellion- Wu Zhang Plains. From DW3-DW9 there’s almost 100 characters now. It’s almost impossible to flesh out several characters unless they add new made up battles. I dunno. I just don’t know how they’re going to do it. Especially when the next game comes out I’m sure their going to add even more characters. I knew it was heading downhill when in DW8 each battle you play as several characters instead of just one.
Yeah they could do it, the game is not that big, they could make it bigger and better, maybe budget constraints, but still I'd take a reduction in graphics for a better well in depth story
Now that you mention it, I actually feel most of these characters share a similar problem in that they seem to be designed around one small detail and that detail is the only thing that ever matters.
I feel like that's what Koei is just doing with all they're new characters ever since dw8, if not 7.
yeah they need more development
I like Guo Huai but you are spot on with the coughing. Like this poor guy looks like he's going to die for years in the storyline. Give this man some DayQuil or something before sending him out to fight.
Exactly lol
you said it man the damn club REALLY need a revamp
yep!
The great thing about Samurai Warriors... they do so many female characters better.
Lu Lingqi in DW8 was really good though. She is unique and had some connection with her father.
I like Xingcai, but they don’t really expand on her connection with other characters.
gotta dive deeper into SW
Good list, I don't care about some charecters (Guan and Zhang kids (except Xing Cai), Xiao sisters, Boa, Zhu Ran) and if they remove them not really miss em. The only character I disagree is Wei Yan, I love his barbarian stick. But if they explore his unjustly treatment I'm totally okay with that. Yuan Shao need better treatment, Han Dang should be more memorable, Guo Huai shouldn't be annying, Xu Shu definetely need better treatment. And Li Dian is an important figure without their support Cao Cao finished by Lu Bu, his rivalry with Zhang Liao would be much better. And nothing could save Xiahou Ji, she must be completely removed.
Here is my additions:
Meng Huo and Zhurong: They should be more active and capable.
Xu Huang: One of the best generals, he need better treatment. They could explore his friendship with Guan Yu. A better explored Yuan campaing fix so many thing.
Cai Wenji: More interaction with story could help her,, I really love her moveset.
Jiang Wei: I'm not Shu fan but god this character is annoying as hell. They should make him less annoying or less imbecile.
Haha for sure, solid additions and i like your explanations for everything
From these top 10, maybe I have another opinion (or same as yours)
- Li Dian: deeper explanation of how he could discover his foresight ability and retain his DW9 DLC weapon and moveset
- Bao Sanniang: deeper story before meeting Guan Suo and her life after Guan Suo's death
- Yuan Shao: his personality should be reverted back to DW4-DW5 one since Yuan Shu somewhat mimics his recent personality
- Hua Xiong: his weapon and deeper personality than just another (one-sided) Lu Bu's rival
- Zhou Cang: his weapon and interaction with Zhao Yun to make his personality well-written
- Xiahouji: her physical appearance (she's too babyface and childlike for the wild and barbaric Zhang Fei) and weapon that really suits her personality
- Guo Huai: I disagree with yours. His loyalty really takes a toll on his physical health and that what makes him a well-written character for me
- Zhang Bao: just change his weapon
Interesting, I dont think Guo Huai needs to be coughing every second ALSO, if you ever notice Guo Huai he only coughs when he's talking and not when he's standing there lol like it's very strange.. they need to change that it's just really gimmicky
who would you give the pizza cutter to then? NGL if Man Chong was more martial I wouldn’t mind if he had it but hey
Also I actually think Yuan Shu is just old Yuan Shao and I think it’s fine? Yuan Shao’s old personality is just stuck up but his frenemy thing with Cao Cao being elaborated now made him more human and makes his motivations clearer
@@sjacpswbs03162005 the pizza cutter? Do you mean Li Dian's weapon in DW8? I'd like to give it to Hua Xiong as I find that Club is not suitable with him
Zhou Cang's hat is most likely inspired by the Fanyang hat that Song foot soldiers wore in battle
oh gotcha
I want to see Hua xiong be serious again like how he was in dw 4
Yes!!
Some great points, but I think being "fat and childlike", or "coughing all the time" or "Dumb barbarian" makes some of these characters atleast noticeable unfortunately. You're right, these characters deserve a better personality, but this dumb schtick makes them different, adds more variety and people remember them more compared to some of the "good badass" characters.
Yeah and i know that's why they did it, but there's ways to do it without it being so unrelatable and I think if they keep their schticks or give them something different or even being a supporting character at least they have a stronger role than being this person with this impediment and no one likes it
"The curse of the club."... Exactly!! Lol
Yeah.. lol
Han Dang reminds of Charlie's uncle from Always Sunny In Philadelfia, even worse, he reminds me of him in the first seasons.
Lol yeah its bad
I disagree with a good chunk of your point of Guo Huai. I think toning him down a bit is a good idea but part of his charm is the fact he's ghastly and frail looking and kicks ass with the Arm Cannon (a Glass Cannon type character). Maybe like Guo Jia have him being prone to overexerting himself.
Wei Han I agree with
Gotcha, and that's okay! I dont mind the different opinions and stuff, love hearing what everyone has to say!
Thats not a cowboy hat LOL. Its called a "Futou" and its always shown in paintings and art of Zhou Cang (and a couple others like Ma Dai). The only thing "wrong" about Zhou Cang's look is actually his lack of a beard as he is described as "A strong, muscular man who wore his Futou tilted forward. He had piercing eyes, and a scruff of beard making his features look similar to a bears"- Legends of the three Kingdoms".
I think he was designed like he was because his descriptions would have him looking very similar to Zhang Fei. He was also gruff, and spoke his mind like Zhang Fei did as well, so they did him this way to make him more unique.
I completely agree with two on this list. Guo Huai and Xu Zhu. Both deserve a more respectful presentation. Xu Zhu stood toe to toe with some of the best of that time, like Ma Chao, Yan Liang and Wen Chou, Gan Ning, and many others. He was no slouch, but a monster of a warrior. Guo Huai was a good leader and strategist.
I wouldn't mind a xhang fei look alike but maybe a little more grounded that would create an amazing dynamic to watch imo 😁
@@TheNightowlGaming Me too, really. I knew how Zhou Cang SHOULD look, and so I was disappointed in his boy-band youthful appearance. I know WHY they changed him, but I wasnt too happy they did. Nothing wrong with 2 gruff guys. It IS a war setting after all.
And if they were going to do Guan Suo's fictional wives from his fantasy novel, they should have done them all AND had a stage for this. I don't like Guan Suos design at all! Chinese boy-george? No thanks! If you read his fantasy novel, he is an absolute boss. More like a final fantasy lead character than this pop-idol wannabe we ended up with. And his wives are really cool in that book, but Bao Sanniang is probably the least interesting of them. My favorite of his wives was Huaman. Daughter of Meng Huo and Zhurong. She would have been a great addition. Wang Suo and Wang Tuo, the sisters he married, were pretty cool too. One was more like a tactician and the other like a knight. But NO ONE who isnt familiar with his novel would know any of them, so without a stage showing people who they were, adding even Bao Sanniang was weird. But we all know that they do stuff like this for the casuals.
I feel like I am forgetting one of the wives....Its been years since I read it. And I could have sworn their were 5......
I really liked Guo Jia. His illness bothered me, but he kind of reminded me of a Chinese Vampire. Him and his Arm-Cannon, plus the Musou of life leeching… Damn fine!
Still… He could use some work.
Hua Xiong… I saw him kind of like a strong follower to Lu Bu’s ideals. I could see him being this strong, silent guardian. His weapon would be a tie between a giant javelin, to a Chinese war hammer.
Xu Zhu should be this strong, honorable farmer. Took on the role of a soldier because of the war. He fights because he wants things to be back to peace so he can enjoy farming. He’s not stupid, shouldn’t sound stupid, nor be treated like he is.
100% give these characters some depth! And strange that you actually like GUo Huai, but I respect it! 😁😁
lol the Xiahuoji part, I mean aren't the Qiao sisters the same problem, except much longer running?
Yeh but they dont have a barbarian of a "husband" so technically yeah but they just need to be aged a little, xiahouji needs to be overhauled
@@TheNightowlGamingI honestly believe she should just go.
Id want
Xu Zhu: Making him the big fat stupid guy is a disservice to one of Cao Cao's finest bodyguards. You can make him a nice and you can make him simple but he shouldnt be an idiot
The Guan babies: All of them are there to say how cool Guan Yu is. Then they die off screen. Give them more motivation than just 'my dads so cool'.
Sun Shang Xiang: She really should have more to do than being married to Liu Bei. Remember when she could be the commander of Wu stages if you played as her. Now shes a glorified Shu character but you cant play as her in the Shu story
Wei Yan: Making him talk like a barbarian doesnt make any sense. You can make him the big scary guy but you gotta play up the fact that hes as loyal to Liu Bei as anyone else in Shu
Exactly! I agree with these
Xiahouji being added is why I have not got DW9.
Yeah... they just... need.. yeah.
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Bao is so underrated and needs more love
needs more development for sure
@TheNightowlGaming 100% she's mu second favourite female character and she needs way more love and development
ok, lunch time, time to kill before another meeting ... interesting list. Didnt expect most names (only familiar with characters from
Haha nice, ZHang Bao dies off a cliffside? That would be cool to see in the games, and yeah the club definitely could be made better, hopefully they just make these people better
5:09, but i like the hat. I think it makes him look unique
Edit: But I like Guo Huai as he is
Edit 2: I'm fine with Wei Yan
Nah that's fine, everyone likes what they like, these are just my opinions 😁
Hi, is dw10 coming out anytime soon?
Hopefully an announcement is coming for it next month!
The only one I agree on even slightly more than disagree is XiahouJi. Wei Yan and Bao I'm 50/50 on and disagree with the rest.
Aye everybody's got their own opinions and stuff, hope u enjoyed the vid 🤙🤙
@@TheNightowlGaming I did. I'm 50/50 on Bao because I feel like the top way to improve her is to add 3 specific characters that would fall for Guan Suo and go hard on his Harem Anime Protagonist Vibes.
I pretty much agree with all of this
The Qiao Sisters need to be aged up a little more mature they can still be naive and innocent (see Xiao Qiao in the red cliff movie) but not childish
Li Dian really needs a lot of work build up the romance with Yue Jin and his rivalry with Zhang Liao (I am a fan of making this due to Zhang Liao killing his uncle) and definitely make him pick a personality
I would recommend cutting Bao Sanniag and merging Guan suo and Guan Xing but she definitely needs to have a story of herself independent of her husband and then build her relationships with her husband new comrades
You could replace Zhou Cang with Liao Hua they basically fulfill the same role except that Liao can get a new role post Fancheng.
Old Yuan Shao was best! Give him Back koei!!! 9 was a bit better i agree especially the armor. The problem with making Yuan shao, Dong Zhuo and others joke characters is it detracts from the story. Why is Dong Zhuo a threat if he’s such a cartoony villain. Why would people follow yuan shao in the coalition if hes so… like that. He doesn’t seem like someone cao Cao would consider a threat or even an obstacle when in the games and the lore he was!
Zhang Bao should really get the 2010 treatment. Trained under his father acquired considerable skills but without the vices of his fathet however he doesn’t quite measure up to his father nevertheless he is the vanguard of the Shu army post Fancheng leading from the front trying to push his way forward. This would make his eventual death in the northern expedition all the more tragic a man who tried his hardest to be the new battlefield leader but just couldn’t quite get there. I actually like the double flail i was surprised although I think him and guan xing should have a variant of their fathers weapons like in the novel
Yeah Hua Xiong needs to be more of serious threat like i said with dong and yuan. They should give him the mace so pang de gets the halberds and Zhang liao gets the guandao
Yes justice for Guo huai!!!
I rather have wei yan be like ferb from phineas and ferb was he doesn’t talk a lot but when he does he says something really insightful. But if not dw4 is ok.
Delete Xiahou Ji!!!
Wo Long Xu Zhu seems interesting hopefully they take that route for dynasty warriors
Haha yep, alot they can do to fix and make characters more interesting they probably won't but its always nice to hope 😄
Man, I just want Liao Hua to have a unique model xD. I want them to change Xu Zhu from bodyguard to an actual general of Wei later in the story.
Sun Jian - I want Koei to show how he defeated Hua Xiong and Lu Bu. The guy will die early on come on xD
lol i agree!
Li Dian should just be homo but not flamboyant. He can also share a stronger bromance with Yue Jin but without being shoved in our faces. Its more respectful imo if they just make their relationship subtle but obvious. OR , just make it follow history
Zhou Cang’s speed is hilarious. Just make his weapon reflect it and then ground his personality 🤷🏻♂️ i somewhat agree with you though
I want yuan shao to be less of a fool as you said.
Honestly the entire 2nd gen Shu needs help. Too little depth
I whole heartedly agree about revamping wei yan. All they need to do is fix is caveman persona and he’d be great, weapon is already sick and most of his designs are too
Xu zhu is historically a beast. How they gonna make him such an oaf.
Btw, love the intros you made for each placement
Appreciate the kind words! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I think Li Dian's interesting, they just need to go a little more over the top with both of his gimmicks. Doesn't need a massive change imo, just, make him 'more' of what he already is.
I think Zhou Cang is... fine. I like the idea of him just being a speedster, that's kinda fun. Could use a little bit more to him, but I don't think he needs massive changes.
Yuan Shao in DW9 'is' back to how he used to be. I really think people just, hear the higher pitch voice, and assume he's still goofy. Dw9 Yuan Shao has more depth than DW5 and prior ever did. Especially since they acknowledged he's adopted. He's not a real Yuan, so it frames all of his "NO, THIS IS MY PRIDE AND HONOUR" behaviour, as trying to prove himself constantly, and makes his interactions with Cao Cao way better.
I think you're completely wrong on Hua Xiong. He's not just a big dumb oaf. The game makes it very clear, he's a capable, competent commander. He's just 'simple'. He trusts everyone easily, he doesn't understand social situations well, he's easily manipulated, he's all in all a good person, but he works for the villain. There is depth, and lots of potential there. Especially around the end of his campaign in DW9 where the peons are all talking about how much they love him.
I do agree on a different weapon, though of the club users, I did find his moveset the most fun. That is a bit of a low bar though. I really think they should give him something similar to Masanori Fukushima's weapon, which, they did do in Wo Long. They released a design document talking about his visual design, and, that exact weapon, perfectly matches everything they were aiming for with Hua Xiong. That's what I'd like to see in the future.
Pretty much agree on the rest, maybe not on 'how' I'd like to see them changed, but, definitely changed in some ways. Personally, I'd add on :
- Zhu Ran. Just... The worst written character in the game. Genuinely, every singular aspect of his personality, revolves around, "I like fire and don't like Lu Xun." He's such a dissappointment.
- Ma Chao. Ma Chao is interesting, but, he feels like he's constantly being pulled in different directions. Especially with Wang Yi around. Small changes needed I think.
- Wang Yuanji. She was so good in DW7. What the hell happened.
- Zhuge Dan. Also amazing in DW7. Dear god they butchered him.
- Xun Yu. He's boring. Xun You, at least is used comedically, he's bland, but that's kinda the joke. Jia Xu messes with him, everyone's partying around him, and Xun You is just sitting there looking like he hasn't slept in weeks. Xun Yu... Just, doesn't have anything. Like, there's no gimmick, there's no real personality. He's just kinda there.
- Cai Wenji. She's actually perfect. But, she's never used in game. She literally just needs to be put in some stages. Make no changes, never give her the whip again.
- Taishi Ci. Character who's been around since DW1. Has never seen any significant changes, doesn't look or act anything like the man he's based on, and there's not much to him. I don't dislike Taishi Ci, I just think he could be better.
- Xu Huang. Similar to Taishi Ci. He was interesting, there's a lot you could do to add to him. Both Xu Huang and Taishi Ci suffer from, "Being like Zhang Liao, but Zhang Liao is better in every way."
- Zuo Ci. Delete him. Or, turn him into a hidden op bossfight. There's no reason he should be in the story mode.
Love the optimism for the changes and the in depth look at them, we disagree on some things for sure, but I dont mind the suggestions of what you put, I definitely advocate for more in depth characters and story over them looking or having the right weapon, so if they push that first vs the aesthetics of the character, thats totally fine w me
I think when it comes to characters like Bao Sanniang and Zhou Cang, I feel like they didnt really try because, ultimately, they weren't real. They were created OC characters. So Toei just went whatever. There is definitely something they could do, but truthfully id like them to focus on other characters.
Edit: Also, as i am currently going through Dynasty Warriors 9, i feel like Xiahouji should not have been created. I appreciate how they changed how Zhang Fei and her got together. If you know the history though... Idk, if they werent trying to make Zhang Fei seem more barbaric than he already is, including her probably wasnt in best hindsight.
Definitely not, they need to change her
I would love Xin Xianying to got through a complete revamp as well, listening to her go on makes my ears bleed. I cannot play as her because of it. I would also love to see Zhou Tai get some more development too, as he was a pirate first and ended up as a high ranking general who was given authority over Gan Ning and Xu Sheng and was never just Sun Quan's bodyguard.
Zhou Tai definitely could use a little more development and yeah Xin Xianying's purpose definitely needs to be developed, I talk about her in my Underdeveloped video!
As far as revamps go, I'll go with Lingqi, now here me out. I think she should join Shu.
Why? Well, out of the two playable survivors, Zhang Liao joins Wei. I feel she would secretly resent that, and would only join Liu Bei to get revenge on Cao Cao. I know it's not historically accurate, but virtually nothing is none of her historical self anyway. I just feel like something more can be done with her, and I feel like she would have contributed well during the escape of Chang Ban, and most likely the Battle of Chi Bi. I feel she would do so well there and show off her father's legacy well. If you want the "daughter of the demon" to survive the war, why not show her still fighting when she said she would?
Regarding that, with the whole father complex, she'd get along with or have a friendly rivalry with Guan Ping. Maybe they'd catch feelings? Who knows, but it would be because of this bond that she would stand with him and heroically die during the battle of fan castle.
Interesting points... and I;d be down to see that or she stays with wei and rebels after plotting for some time, either way it'd be cool
It's so strange Xiahouji carries a sword and shield... 😅 She is more suited for flute or other weapons thats less offensive... And make her older like a mother 😅
100%
I did a Zhang Bao playthrough in DW8 EMPIRES and I must say.. It was the worst playthrough I did in that game.. His personality and his weapon leave a lot to be desired
Yeha... he needs some work
They did Xiahou Ji and the Xiao Sisters dirty, it made Zhang Fei, Zhou Yu and, Sun Ce look like pedos.
If Cai Wenji was still alive during the Jin Dynasty then her story should've continued.
Bao Sanniang sounds annoying af but they made her age perfect for Guan Suo to be his wife but still she sounds annoying.
What happen to Wang Yi? she went incognito mode after Ma Chao died.
Same with Lu Lingqi where she after Lu Bu died?
Wei Wan got insulted, they did him more dirty then those girls i mentioned.
Zhang Chunhua died off screen and never mentioned her death earlier.
Yuan Shao is new Yuan Shao.
Diao Chan disappeared.
And there is more characters that need to be revamped but yeah.
1000% they could make the game so much better if they wanted to they just need to passion to do so
I think Zhou Cang being a pretty boy was a mistake - back in the day when he was only a ROTK sprite he’s a scruffy bear type with a Nice Hat (that’s why the cowboy hat isn’t going anytime soon). I haven’t played his story, and I’m not sure I got what he fights for from the cutscenes I’ve seen
would be nice to be something like he runs away from trouble and responsibilities until fan castle. But I don’t feel his relationships are fleshed out cause Guan Yu will always feel like his boss so they just need someone else that he can play off of (Liao Hua probably would be a good call). And you’d think he got to know the Guanbabies over the years and be a cool uncle but no
Xiahouji being taken at 12-14 is one thing making her not grow up is another - I think sticking to her Blast design this time is fine, but she needs to grow up a little (at least look older than Xingcai omg). It’s not like daqiao and xiaoqiao didn’t do the same! (Actually I’d argue they deaged daqiao to make them more fraternal twins which was a choice..)
Also she needs her plushies. If they can make Warriors movesets for all their weird franchises for all stars they can make it for her
Xu Chu - just make him more like Dumb Bear Soldier (yes this is a voice actor joke). I think there’s ways to show he cares about the small things and he fights for who he cares about without being whatever this is. I’d enjoy it if he had a different persona sometimes but idk maybe it’s too late.
Also make him more bara! Muscle and fat at the same time is gonna work for him much better. It’s almost like if he merged with hua Xiong the resulting character would fit either
I agree with all your points! I really hope they change Zhou Cang's model and give him more depth 100%, he needs more and yes yes for everything else you said
Me whatever each numbers passed on from 10 to 1 in the Video, Trying to guess the character that needs revamp even though I already got it half of the characters wrong:
(update: i got it all wrong but not all at least ... Only few.. I swear..)
Hahah! Well hopefully you at least enjoyed the guessing aspect of it 😂😁
Seeing #9... what Yuan Shao had to do with Bao Sanniang???
Also, i wholeheartedly agree with Hua Xiong needing a revamp. I just upset that they made him a dumb character in DW9 and i prefer how he is in DW8 XL more. A probable equal to Lu Bu and someone who might be close to match him.
Its actually the line he says to her! It's from DW8 I believe! If you unlock his voice gallery he has a special interaction with Bao Sanniang! So weird lol
@@TheNightowlGaming oh, i didn't know that one. Must be an Ambition Mode thing?
Yep!!@@RosyMiranto
Give Hua xiong dian Weis dw6 weapon. The Boulder on a chain. Would be a perfect fit
Hmmm not a bad idea, definitely make the moveset better, it was so bad in dw6
Take his albino ass out was too funny. The disrespect for guo huai
They did him dirty! LOL
The biggest problem is the rooster is way too large for KOEI to really build and develop every character equally 👍 They have to cut unnecessary warriors with no significance and boring personalities (Bao Sanniang, Guan Suo, Zhou Cang, Cai Wenji, Man Chong, Xun You, Xiahou Ji,...) and put in some real interesting ones like Liao Hua, Li Yan [Shu], Niu Jin, Wen Pin [Wei], Jiang Qin, Pan Zhang [Wu], Li Jue, Gou Si, Gongsun Zan, Gao Shun [Others] ✅️
they could make it work, ive never been a fan of cutting characters, as bad as some may be they fill the game and they just need more love
Hua Xiong has the greatest design in 9. If his big n have mucle he should move the club easily but idk he moves like Xu Chu😂
Guan Suo needs to be remade as well
I think hes fine the way he is, he needs more development for sure
Yea man Xu Chu....He can still be big- fat and just make him meaner and aggressive instead of a giant chubby panda! Also change his weapon from the goofy club to something like the dual halberds or the giant axe! Just imagine how much cooler his interactions with Dian Wei will be or his dual with Ma Chao will be with a look/personality and weapon change!
Xun You...why did they make him look so bad? Just change the character model!
Haha nice! Yeah xu zhu needs some justice! And I actually like Xun You's model it fits his personality well
I always liked Guo Huai as a joke character that you also had to take seriously. He was no more a caricature than Zhang He imo.
Also, attention to detail. A few weapon abilities in 8 boosted stats if you were in critical health or knocked to the ground. Guo Huai knocking himself over with his Musou 3 or his Musou Rage counted.
He just needs an overhaul, zhang he needs to be tuned down to his dw3 version, that was the perfect zhang he, theres a way to make guo huai work, they need ot get away from the anime appeasing style
@@TheNightowlGaming Well, imagine if Guo Huai isn't sick. I cannot imagine how OP he is.
Dong Bai
Xiahouji
Hua Xiong
Bao Sanniang
Guan Suo
Actually they shouldn't even be playable characters
I don tmind them being playable as long as they have a purpose and strong relatable character, they're just messes rn..
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Xu Zhu needs revamp, in novel Xu Zhu is depicted to be very strong and scary person, almost as powerful as Zhang Fei, please revamp Xu Zhu, He's done dirty.
agreed
Revamp LuBu I want his old halberd the old halberd was top tier for me
Lü Lingqi need a purpose more than lu bu daughter
li dian
he's so fine
Haha Li Dian is coo, and yeah lu lingqi needs more depth, I talk about her in the underdeveloped video
I agree with all of these, except Xiahou Ba would be my number 1, even over Xu Chu, though Xu Chu is my 2nd.
Xiahou Ba was one of the coolest officers of the later 3-kingdoms, he should be like a cross between Xiahou Dun and Jiang Wei, instead he's some whiny manboy that is impossible to take seriously. The way they made Pang De look is how I picture Xiahou Ba looking.
I like Guo Huai's look, but as he is, he's way too 1 note, and the game keeps giving all of his accomplishments to other characters, Jin has a bad problem of overhyping Sima Shi and Sima Zhao at the expense of their other characters, and it is unnecessary. Sima Shi is plenty cool enough without giving all of Guo Huai and Chen Tai's accomplishments to him, and all of Deng Ai and Deng Zhong's to Sima Zhao.
I don't mind a club as a weapon, if it is normally proportioned. I hate the monster-hunter oversized club they go with though. Hua Xiong would be helped out by them adding Li Ru, Guo Si and Li Jue to create a true Dong Zhou faction. Give him more to play off of.
for sure, if they just let me take over, ill fix everyone lol
10, 9: I'm pretty sure there's plenty they can do for Li Dian. Not sure about Bao Sanniang. Don't like her. Don't think she's necessary nor interesting.
8: Hero worship ain't cool. Sure, Guan Yu is extremely loyal to Liu Bei but not the way Zhou Cang is to Guan Yu. I doubt it's that hard to fix if they're willing to retcon.
7: To be honest I think he's ok. I only don't like him in 5 and earlier.
6: My impression is that they created a bunch of next generation children and they went for the chill friendship thing instead of serious adult thing. Don't like it, but at least I think it's unique to Shu. Maybe Shu fans can appreciate it. For me though Guan Suo Guan Xing Zhang Bao I treat them all as 1 character.
5: He's too ugly.
4: I also was not fine with Guo Huai being the way he is. He grew on me though. Still, he'd be better if they at least hide his sickness a little instead of emphasising it every time.
3: I can't say much. I'm just not sure where they drew the inspiration to make him the way he is.
2: This character is a mistake. Don't revamp her. Delete her.
1: My impression is that when they created Dian Wei, they kinda combined Xu Chu and Dian Wei into one. So when they created Xu Chu they can't just make another Dian Wei. The way they treat him. All about eating and food. No other personality. Doubt they even care about him. At least his line when he came to save Cao Cao after Chi Bi in 5 is forever in my memory.
Hahah nice, enjoyed reading the comment 😁
Worse they got rid of Guo Huai's death machine in 9
Lol that thing was insane
I never have liked the Qiao sisters. Or Zhang He. Or Xu Zhu. Not as they are presented in Dynasty Warriors anyway.
That's fair, aint nothing wrong w that!
Hua xion give him LuBu new halberd and bring back LuBu old halberd from dw3/4/5
Why are you trying to get rid of their schtick? For some like Xiahou Ji, yeah her story is already problematic enough. But for Yuan Shao and Xu Chu? Not every character needs to be Cao Cao 2.0 or Guan Yu 2.0. In fact I think some of the newer characters need a schtick to avoid being a bland copycat of the previous character. Before DW7 they add characters with differing personalities that you can either really hate or love. Now it seems like they want every characters to be likable. NOOO Not every character need to be the poster guy. Why can't a character exist to be laughed or jeered at? They have dozens of characters by now surely they already have their poster guys and girls already among them.
Mmm I think it''s a mixture of things, I don't remember what I said in the video, but I advocate for a mixture of characters being grounded along with actually giving them a chance to be liked. With certain characters that will never happen because of how over the top, not grounded the character is, I mean who would relate to that? So if I had the opportunity to overhaul the characters I would just lessen their ove the topness or through progression of their story maybe they get better (Wei Yan learns to talk clearer, Xu Zhu becomes more coherent, Yuan Shao becomes more humble, Han Dang learns to love himself regardless of others, etc...) Those character arcs would be fun to watch and by the end I think most would be rooting for them instead of rolling their eyes. My love for the game just wants all the characters to have a fair shot of being loved (except for the ones you're meant to hate like Dong Zhuo) 👍👍
@@TheNightowlGaming i would ultimately want that too, but in the end some of the characters only appear in one single main battlefield and only appear in one single cutscene. They won't have time to develop over time as most people wish for, unless they change the format of the game into a single period/saga format per game like Sengoku Basara or SW5. At the end of the day, some of the characters are only there just for the sake of "filling up" the roster, so schticks are necessary for them to stand up and actually be interesting.