Thanks again for all of your product reviews and opinions! I ordered the Givi for wife's Super Cub with confidence because of your efforts. Hopefully #70 is having a better day. The heavy mounts with the curved section to absorb some stress, plus the complementary design sold me. Between you and K22 I am prepared for this challenge.
I watched this just shaking my head all the way. How you kept your cool as much as you did is beyond me. To have parts missing is bad enough but for the manufacturer to offer such a poor method of attaching the screen to the arms is strange. Fortunately as an engineer, you can work around it but your average Joe wouldn't be able. The missing rubber grommet is not so easy. I was going to order from the exact same guys in Italy, So pleased I didn't. I'll await your follow up with interest. If I was there I'd buy you a beer to console you!
I'm still waiting for that beer, Martin! I finally received the second Givi kit, but the mounting solution wasn't any better. I used the screen for one road trip and then reverted to the Asahi screen instead. The Givi caused too much buffeting (as you mentioned), and mine was so crooked that it triggered my OCD into overdrive. So, I pulled a Marie Antoinette with it... off with its head and off to the spare parts bin it went. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Another example of mediocracy becoming the new norm of acceptable quality! Last two weeks: Brand new Tag Heuer limited edition Monte Carlo delivered in "almost working" condition-- refund! My brother-n-law's new hot tub, broken twice in a week, then had to be replaced... However, your video's are top notch! Very refreshing.
Thanks for the feedback! It's unfortunate that quality control and pride in workmanship have fallen to such lows over the past few decades. Givi's quality has really declined lately... I used to love their products and recommend them to other people, but not anymore. I've had similar problems with the poor fitment of Givi's top cases and other accessories, so this wasn't that much of a surprise. Maybe their illustrious employee, Quality Control #70, does all of their product inspections? 🤣👍 --QM
That's good to know! I'm still waiting for another rubber grommet for the mount and then I'll give it another try. I also need to paint the bare metal on the right side bracket to prevent rust. --QM
Update to QuasiMotard's nightmare fit. Received my "Kappa" version of the Givi Screen, which incidentally appears identical in every way bar the name. No missing parts for me (aren't I lucky) but, like QM, the threads weren't cut into the plastic receivers. Speaking with Kappa (and I guess ditto Givi) today, they confirmed that the factory have never tapped the receivers on the arms as the plastic is pliable enough to take the supplied fitting bolts by just offering them up and screwing them in. I did manage to drive all the supplied bolts into the plastic receivers first, before mounting the arms to the Cub. If you want to see how "not" to film the assembly then check this link out. I'll warn you though, don't expect QM's standard of cinematography or indeed engineering skills! Click here: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
I would use an impact driver with a hex-head tip and drive them through. Been there done that. Assembly the frame to the screen, then attach to the bike. Go to "Harbor Freight" get a rubber washer set, doesn't everyone have that, then use 4 rubber washers that match, job done. Sorry in advance if I have "offended" anyone..... Just my solution...
No worries... any potential fix is good information. I thought about using my Ryobi hammer drill and running the screws in, but that plastic is glass-reinforced ABS (similar to Zytel). If you force that stuff too hard or fast, it can fracture or heat up and get "gummy"... ask me how I know. The obvious solution here would have been to include self-tapping screws or press in threaded brass inserts. I understand the lack of inserts (e.g. cost savings and preventing potential over-tightening by the end-user), but including the wrong screws for the application is just... screwed! BTW... did I mention that "Quality Control #70" needs his anus removed? Maybe with a rusty spoon or a dull farm implement. Here's the job genius: Count to 4 ... 1,2,3,4 ... now heat-seal the bag. Was any of that lengthy training confusing? Pop quiz for QC#70: How many windscreens does Givi manufacture that have 3 mounting points and 3 grommets? [... Jeopardy theme playing in the background...] Grrr... what a doofus. 🤣 --QM
You don't need to. The plastic holders are soft and it is easy to screw the bolts in, you just have to do it BEFORE you mount the screen. I did all 4 by simply holding the holder in my hand, using a T-bar Hex key and drove the bolts in, holding the driver straight. All went in easily. Then assemble the frame and drive the 4 bolts home on the "pre-tapped" plastic holders. Simple but Givi/Kappa should tell you this in the ever-so bad fitting instructions. To see how I fitted mine, (ignoring the crap filming) see: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
@@K22MDL Thanks. I'm moving to Japan (retiring) in three months, and I think this is going to be my daily, go to, fun ride for adventure. I like Givi stuff, but sometimes the engineering hasn't been done well.
Just got my Cub today May 1st. A pleasure to ride and waiting on the rack to come in. Dealer was surprised that I knew about the Cub. I told him about you and all the info you give. How did you order maintenance manual? I would like to order it if u give me the info. Keep the info up. thanks
Thx for the feedback! I ordered the manual via the link on Honda Powersports page that redirects to HELM (factory-authorized reprints). The price is very reasonable at $39.95, and it takes a week or two to ship throughout the continental USA. Both Honda and the HELM site recommend getting the Common Service Manual in addition to the bike-specific service manual, but that's up to you. Note that the description says that it's a reprint and that it might be in a binder... that's not the case here. This is a printed and bound manual just like any other manual... it's a high-quality book and not a cheap knock-off. This is Honda's link/info page that refers out to Helm: powersports.honda.com/Experience/Article.aspx?Id=090111c081102a2a Here is the link directly to the C125A manual on Helm's site: www.helminc.com/helm/product2.asp?Make=AHC&Model=C125&Year=2019&Category=1&class_2=AHC&mk=Honda+Motorcycle&yr=2019&md=C125A&dt=Shop%2FService+Information&module=&from=result&Style=helm&Sku=61K0G00&itemtype=N 👍 --QM
Fastenal is a good source for nuts and bolts, sometimes Ace can also sometime have the grommet to fit. then there's always the big box stores. what's become of the Ryker? take the mounts off and put the shield on (loosely) then mount the mounts back on the handlebar. hope it helped.
Good tip on Fastenal... I forgot about them, but I have used them in the past for odd parts and fasteners. We have one about 7-8 miles away, so I'll have to try that. We had a Sears Hardware store that had TONS of fasteners and grommets, but they just closed shop a few weeks ago. As for the Ryker, it's still in play! I haven't been riding it as much over the past few weeks due to work constraints and other trips on the Super Cub (e.g. MotoGP at COTA). However, I am tentatively planning to take the Ryker on a serious road trip next week up to Springfield, MO for the Spyderfest meet/convention. I'll be motocamping for 3-4 days up there and living off the bike for a while. That round-trip will be about 1500 miles by itself. I might take a detour on the way back and swing through the Ozark Mountains and then head over to Oklahoma City area to visit family for a couple of days. That would push the trip mileage into the 2000+ range. I'll be sure to take plenty of video of that trip and the Sypderfest meet! --QM
I dig this bike, I had several versions as a kid, think I got a old 65cc version in a collapsed building, if no one has stole it. & know I have a few older engines in my attic. plus a nearly new leading link front fork.anyway on the bolts, I would use a cut off disc & put 3 little slots and taper end to make it like a TAP, so it would self cut threads. next on fairing, it needs a rubber or foam seal between headlight in my opinion? a person with a full beard, if no windshield, beard flaps over shoulder, but windshields not angled or sitting right, it causes turbulence in front of riders face, & beard spins & is over face & in eyes, very aggravating, & have to braid beard & double it up, which is a pain for a quick ride.a couple big questions, on Honda page if scrolling, there is a pic with buddy seat? is it offered or? any larger options for gas capacity? I know I once had an aux tank, don't remember what happened to it, not seen in 30+ years. also any type of sissy bar available? with buddy seat? I always preferred to strap a duffle bag & backpack to a sissybar.on your luggage rack, was it too narrow? or possible fender rolled too wide, & fender needing to be closed more? long time ago I built custom Harleys, & had to do more than my share of fabricating, and making arts fit.
Thx for the feedback! There is a lot of room for improvement with this screen. I'm not sure how the sealing around the headlight area would work due to vibration and such... I'll know more when I can get it fitted to the bike. I've already ordered my second screen and mount kit from another reseller in Italy (via Ebay), so we'll see how that plays out. The Honda sites show lots of pictures and options that may not be available for particular markets (e.g. the Honda USA site shows the EU version with the EU lights and blue rear rack, which is not available here). I have seen the passenger/buddy seat (and footpegs) on the Asian sites, so I know that they are available. US DOT regulations prohibit the rear footpegs (and thus, the passenger) because they aren't mounted on a fixed part of the frame (swingarm is a moving part). The auxiliary tank isn't offered on the street-going Cub, but it might be available on the Cross Cub if that ever becomes a reality. I'm sure that a custom luggage rack could be found or fabricated that has a sissy bar or larger surface for mounting roll bags and such... it's just a matter of time or determination to find/make one! --QM
thanks, & for the swing arm bit, my old 1973 Harley Super glide had what looked like a second set of shock mounts, but were for passenger pegs, I did end up welding a bracket to frame to mount, as I had issues when I changed my exhaust with clearance. but figure out seat, and peg mounts, I may want & I can build my own sissy bar, luggage rack, & look at the aux tanks, lol. im not familiar with other countries e-bay so will have to do a little looking, & maybe try to find me one of these bikes. lol. keep up posting about, and be safe out there.
I finally figured it out... Dave Ramsey ! I love your channel Very thorough Ill be a supercub owner by spring Do you have suggestions on knobby tires ? Also looking for the best seat pannier set up Plan to use on logging roads in northern wisconsin Thank you for your intel
🤣 ROFL... you're not the first person to mention that! That's flattering, because I think that Dave Ramsey is much more eloquent. He's certainly more successful than I am, so I'll aspire to achieve his success someday. I had never watched his channel until another viewer/commenter mentioned that I sounded like him. As for the Cub accessories, I don't recommend this Givi screen because of the fiddly mounting and questionable quality control. The Asahi Short Visor that I installed and reviewed is a much better piece, IMHO. I haven't searched for any offroad or knobby tires for my Cub yet, but another viewer sent me some links for alternative tires that he installed on his Cub... I'll reply again separately with that info. The ideal luggage and pannier solution for the Cub has been a quest for me, but I think that I've finally settled on a solution. The Kijima rear carrier and Kijima side supports (from japan.webike.com) pair up nicely with the DrySpec bags (from TwistedThrottle.com). I have the D38 with the D20's on the sides, and also the D28 of I need to carry more (or scale-down the D38). If I'm just running around town and need light storage, then I use a Ogio Stealth tailbag strapped to the rear rack. I'll reply back with more details and some product links. Cheers! 👍👍 --QM
Did you ever get yours mounted up? I had similar issues with the unthreaded plastic bits but muddled (cranked the hardware hard and made my threads without the cutting slot) through. Fortunately my inspector did their job and all parts were present. Satisfied with the outcome. Lines up nice and looks good. Solidly mounted.
No, I still haven't received the missing grommet. I will probably order another mounting kit from Ebay so I can finish the job. I'm glad yours mounted up ok! How do you like it so far? Do you notice any wind buffeting at the helmet? A couple of other commenters have mentioned that the wind seemed to get worse after mounting the screen. I was concerned about that because of the proximity to the rider's position, it's pretty tight fit on the Cub between screen and rider. --QM
Windscreen? I live here in the NC mountains, and my C125 boggs down going up large hills. I don't want anything to further slow me down! Hope you get it sorted out.
You might be surprised at how a windscreen helps rather than hurts. It's a bit counter-intuitive, but the windscreen can reduce the aerodynamic drag of the rider's profile... as long as the screen itself isn't too large and becomes less "slippery" than the rider's profile. I noticed that my PCX150's can maintain highway speeds and fight headwinds better with a modest-sized screen than with the little OEM flyscreen. However, a windscreen won't help you with hills... gravity always wins. 😉 --QM
I had more to say on that matter, but I was trying to keep it somewhat family-friendly. 😉 The rest of it goes "... hole with a rusty spoon and channel-lock pliers"... but that's a bit too much of a mental picture for some folks. 🤣 I have since received a second screen (after a 6-week wait), and the final mounting situation wasn't any better. I used it for one long road trip and then I removed it... went back to the Asahi Short Visor screen instead: ua-cam.com/video/K661rEq66Xg/v-deo.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
I love the cub, and I wanna watch more of your vids, but they are too long, I wish you would edit down to under 10 minutes, Just a friendly suggestion to up your subscriber base and views ....
Ok, thx for the feedback! I'll see if I can compress some more time out of them. Making any of the videos or vlogs results in very long files, so the post production and editing is the real chore. The vidoes that I title as "VLOG" are typically long rambles during my work commutes. I'll try to do more subject-oriented, shorter videos on the Super Cub in the near future. --QM
I won't know for sure until I install and test it. Generally speaking, if the windscreen has just enough height to push the air stream over the rider's torso and it isn't raked too steeply (e.g. angled back slightly and not straight vertical), then it will make the bike slightly more aerodynamic by pushing the airflow around the rider's profile. Anything that reduces drag and moves air around the rider more efficiently will improve the efficiency. A typical motorcycle and rider's Cd (coefficient of drag) is basically 1.0 (e.g. a brick wall) at air speeds above 50 MPH... that's why "tucking in" helps top speed runs by reducing the drag on the machine. My PCX150's have seen increased MPG's with the addition of aftermarket windscreens. The OEM unit was too short and directed all of the airflow directly at my shoulders and helmet. After I installed the larger windscreens, the fuel economy and top speed jumped up (~8-10 better mpg and ~3-4+ mph top speed) just because of the cleaner airflow. I will be sure to post my top speed and efficiency results after the windscreen is installed so we can all benefit from the numbers. --QM
I greet you with a nice QuasiMotard, very good movies, what to look at, and my slim motorcycle I'm dreaming about, Honda is Honda and you can not fool :) Wonderful motorcycle with a capacity of 125, I hope one day I will go had, good luck and a safe way, "rubber trees" Left hand up!
I thought the same thing... I tried for several minutes to decipher the intent and then face-palmed... gave up. It appears that Google Translate had an aneurysm and puked this out instead of intelligible English. I do appreciate the feedback, though... it's always interesting to read comments, and particularly ones from foreign viewers. This is all about community, and that community is diverse... and sometimes bizarre! 😉👍 --QM
Unfortunately not. I still haven't received my second mounting kit from Italy yet... it's been over 4 weeks since my last order. I never heard back from the first reseller or Givi (Italy or USA) about the packaging problems. That's not a very good reflection on their quality control or their customer service. --QM
🤣 Excellent, I'll buy the beer! 🍺🍻🍺 That Givi screen was rubbish in terms of fitment and quality control. I installed it later after I received a second kit, but it wasn't much better. I have reverted to the Asahi Short Visor windscreen, and it works much better. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Poor quality control by Givi. As a last resort could you not drill a hole right through the unthreaded section and then feed a bolt through with suitable nuts and washers to secure it. Grommet sets are sold at Amazon for $10.
The unthreaded screen bosses can't be drilled through because the back of them butts against the support rail... they slide up/down and rotate to give the screen a free-floating fitment. The plastic isn't too hard, so it won't be a problem to thread them with an appropriate screw or tap set. I tried a couple of local auto parts stores and a Fastenal (they have nearly everything), but I couldn't find a match for these grommets. I am expecting my second mounting kit to arrive sometime soon... I will post an update on this video to let everyone see how the Givi screen works out. --QM
Certainly! Here is the list of parts: RAM mirror mount adapter #RAM-B-272U ($12.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TRIY4 RAM short double-socket arm ($9.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005KWPJ04 (be sure it's the one with the flat twist knob, the round knob doesn't work well) RAM X-Grip ($26.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055PH0XA You can probably find the X-Grip as a kit, but the mounting arm may be too long, and the mounting base will certainly be wrong (not the mirror mount). Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to help! --QM
Are you going to go with the imported tail light and signals I know you talked about it a while back! Just about 300 now on my super cub Man this thing is a kick to ride.. my Honda F6B has been sitting more and more!
The prices are very high from the U.K at any rate and to add shipping and import duty would really make it an expensive purchase. I have all the part number (and UK prices for anyone interested.
Martin Lynch There is a Japanese scooter supply that I’m Researching as we speak… But they don’t have any new listings yet for the new cub! Also still looking for a color matched rack otherwise I may have to give in and go with chrome
@Martin Lynch sent a very detailed list to me with part numbers and exploded parts diagrams. Thanks to Martin and his dealer for such a thorough job! I haven't pulled the trigger on ordering those parts quite yet... I'm waiting to see if I can source them from another market to avoid the hefty pound to dollar (or Euro-to-Dollar) exchange rates... and the dreaded VAT ("vampire added taxation") fees. Maybe one of the Asian or Indian markets (e.g. www.bikerzbits.com) will stock the parts we want. They are a little slow and the shipping costs aren't cheap, but I've had good luck with them in the past for Honda PCX150 and Yamaha parts. --QM
lol nice windshield and bad engineering. I may ask guys at Givi (they are 30mi away from my home) if they can provide me an extra grommet... guarantee nothing
Thx for the offer and the feedback! If I can't find a source for the missing grommet, then I will order another A1168A mounting kit from eBay. The shipping cost is nearly the same as the kit, so the total will be $65-70 USD just to get a grommet. Ouch. Very annoying. --QM
Poor QC#70.... he's hosed, forget one grommet and lose your job :) If this was chinese I woulda said it was probably a 6 year old kid who hasn't learned to count yet :)
DUDE, YOU HAD ONE JOB! 😉 I just spoke to Givi USA in Nevada, and they said that they don't have any of these parts yet, so they can't help me. Crap. I'll try the local Fastenal and Ace Hardware to see if they have anything close enough to match. If not, then I'll purchase another mounting kit from eBay and hope that it takes less than 3 weeks to arrive. Even if it's missing pieces, I can mix-and-match to get a complete kit. 😉 👍 --QM
Yes, it ended up being too tall. I received a second screen after a long wait, and the mounting situation wasn't any better. I used the Givi screen for one long roadtrip, and then I reverted to the Asahi Short Visor windscreen instead. Cheers! 👍 --QM
You might be interested in this, Kappa (same as Givi in my experience) screen install by a viewer across the pond: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
Thx for the feedback and advice! Great catch, sir! @Martin Lynch is a subscriber of my channel and we have been communicating about the Givi vs. Kappa screen solution. I am still in a holding pattern on my Givi screen until I source the missing grommet for the screen/mount. Martin mentioned that he has some wind buffeting from his screen, so I may experience the same issue. If so, then I plan to cut my screen down a few inches to keep the helmet in clear air and just let the screen deflect wind around the torso and shoulders. The screen itself isn't too expensive, so I don't mind modifying (and potentially damaging) it; however, the shipping times and costs to the USA are the killer. --QM
Yep, it looks like the same part... even the part numbers are the same. Givi probably OEM's that for Kappa or vice-versa? Is it the same company under a different brand name? I remember some of the Kappa Trekker cases that were sold under the Givi brand here in the USA. --QM
@@QuasiMotard I've asked my mate here who is the distributor for the UK the question and price. I'll come back to you. Helps having been in the trade for years!
Well, I've had good luck with them in the past, as far as quality and suitability is concerned. This mounting solution definitely sucks, period. Givi is certainly on the expensive side for most of their gear... that's for sure. These pieces are surprisingly inexpensive coming out of the Italian marketplace: the screen was only $45.40 and the mount was $41.71... however, the shipping was a whopping $85.48 for a 3-week slow boat from Italy! That's why I'm so annoyed... getting a replacement means more time and money to fix their F-up! The Givi USA tech support that I spoke with today advised that each market is a franchise, so they operate under their own rules and "quality" standards. He didn't have much hope for me resolving this issue. Mr. QC#70 can kiss my annoyed American a**... --QM
Next time fix the windscreen on the support first .. then you fix the support on the handlebars. And you should fix the Windscreen in 3 points if you've missed one rubber grommet just to see how it is looks like.. Common.. you know at the end you will be the one that goes around that missing rubber grommet.. right? Send the Video link to the guys that sold that mounting shit to you. Let them see what you've got.
I sent all of the pics and a link to the video to the reseller in Italy, but they never responded. Givi USA said that they couldn't help because that kit isn't available here yet. So, I ordered another kit from a different reseller on Ebay. Even if the second kit isn't complete, I should have enough pieces to put one together. I'll post another video of the complete setup and my opinions about the screen after it's installed. --QM
@@gattonpc We can't get the separate/specific parts for that kit here in the USA yet. I looked for a replacement grommet, but the Givi part is very specific on the inner diameter and shoulder width... I couldn't find anything to fit. The support bars should work fine... it's just the missing grommet for mounting the shield securely and without breaking it... wind pressure and turbulence would break the plastic without that last grommet in place. --QM
No way, man! I'll keep it for my wall of shame, if nothing else. I ordered another kit, so this will be used for spare parts. I might cut down one of the shields to half-high and/or have it tinted to match the bike... we'll see. --QM
Honda doesn't offer a windscreen, or I might try that option. However, the OEM rack didn't work out very well for me, so that's not always the best option: ua-cam.com/video/5xzRMqrzME0/v-deo.html --QM
QuasiMotard It’s too big for my taste I have one on my Yamaha C3 that smaller and has mirror mount I’m going to see if it fits! Take care ride safe and make sure you watch for the other guy in those 4wheelers !
@@samsacre4304 I won't know how well I like it until I can get it mounted properly and put down a few miles behind it to see how it performs. We'll see. I might shave about 1/3 of the height off of the top (round the corners, etc)... the width looks about right, though. Ahhh, the C3... what a great little scoot... the Igloo cooler on wheels. I have one of those in my stable as well. My son and I tricked it out with a small tombstone windscreen, hand guards, LED lights and signals, and some front driving lights. It's not going anywhere fast, but it's fun all the same! Here are a few pics of my C3 with the windscreen... it made a huge difference in the ride quality just by breaking up the airflow across the chest and torso: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Uc3fPpFMPFuy58F6JTHlX1cw1qAtmEtK?usp=sharing --QM
Thanks again for all of your product reviews and opinions! I ordered the Givi for wife's Super Cub with confidence because of your efforts. Hopefully #70 is having a better day. The heavy mounts with the curved section to absorb some stress, plus the complementary design sold me. Between you and K22 I am prepared for this challenge.
I watched this just shaking my head all the way. How you kept your cool as much as you did is beyond me. To have parts missing is bad enough but for the manufacturer to offer such a poor method of attaching the screen to the arms is strange. Fortunately as an engineer, you can work around it but your average Joe wouldn't be able. The missing rubber grommet is not so easy. I was going to order from the exact same guys in Italy, So pleased I didn't. I'll await your follow up with interest. If I was there I'd buy you a beer to console you!
I'm still waiting for that beer, Martin! I finally received the second Givi kit, but the mounting solution wasn't any better. I used the screen for one road trip and then reverted to the Asahi screen instead. The Givi caused too much buffeting (as you mentioned), and mine was so crooked that it triggered my OCD into overdrive. So, I pulled a Marie Antoinette with it... off with its head and off to the spare parts bin it went. Cheers! 😉👍 --QM
Another example of mediocracy becoming the new norm of acceptable quality! Last two weeks: Brand new Tag Heuer limited edition Monte Carlo delivered in "almost working" condition-- refund! My brother-n-law's new hot tub, broken twice in a week, then had to be replaced... However, your video's are top notch! Very refreshing.
Thanks for the feedback! It's unfortunate that quality control and pride in workmanship have fallen to such lows over the past few decades. Givi's quality has really declined lately... I used to love their products and recommend them to other people, but not anymore. I've had similar problems with the poor fitment of Givi's top cases and other accessories, so this wasn't that much of a surprise. Maybe their illustrious employee, Quality Control #70, does all of their product inspections? 🤣👍 --QM
Don't give up on the Givi windscreen. Fit okay without pre-threading the brackets
That's good to know! I'm still waiting for another rubber grommet for the mount and then I'll give it another try. I also need to paint the bare metal on the right side bracket to prevent rust. --QM
Update to QuasiMotard's nightmare fit. Received my "Kappa" version of the Givi Screen, which incidentally appears identical in every way bar the name. No missing parts for me (aren't I lucky) but, like QM, the threads weren't cut into the plastic receivers. Speaking with Kappa (and I guess ditto Givi) today, they confirmed that the factory have never tapped the receivers on the arms as the plastic is pliable enough to take the supplied fitting bolts by just offering them up and screwing them in. I did manage to drive all the supplied bolts into the plastic receivers first, before mounting the arms to the Cub. If you want to see how "not" to film the assembly then check this link out. I'll warn you though, don't expect QM's standard of cinematography or indeed engineering skills! Click here: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
I would use an impact driver with a hex-head tip and drive them through. Been there done that. Assembly the frame to the screen, then attach to the bike. Go to "Harbor Freight" get a rubber washer set, doesn't everyone have that, then use 4 rubber washers that match, job done. Sorry in advance if I have "offended" anyone..... Just my solution...
No worries... any potential fix is good information. I thought about using my Ryobi hammer drill and running the screws in, but that plastic is glass-reinforced ABS (similar to Zytel). If you force that stuff too hard or fast, it can fracture or heat up and get "gummy"... ask me how I know. The obvious solution here would have been to include self-tapping screws or press in threaded brass inserts. I understand the lack of inserts (e.g. cost savings and preventing potential over-tightening by the end-user), but including the wrong screws for the application is just... screwed!
BTW... did I mention that "Quality Control #70" needs his anus removed? Maybe with a rusty spoon or a dull farm implement. Here's the job genius: Count to 4 ... 1,2,3,4 ... now heat-seal the bag. Was any of that lengthy training confusing? Pop quiz for QC#70: How many windscreens does Givi manufacture that have 3 mounting points and 3 grommets? [... Jeopardy theme playing in the background...] Grrr... what a doofus. 🤣 --QM
You don't need to. The plastic holders are soft and it is easy to screw the bolts in, you just have to do it BEFORE you mount the screen. I did all 4 by simply holding the holder in my hand, using a T-bar Hex key and drove the bolts in, holding the driver straight. All went in easily. Then assemble the frame and drive the 4 bolts home on the "pre-tapped" plastic holders. Simple but Givi/Kappa should tell you this in the ever-so bad fitting instructions. To see how I fitted mine, (ignoring the crap filming) see: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
@@K22MDL Thanks. I'm moving to Japan (retiring) in three months, and I think this is going to be my daily, go to, fun ride for adventure. I like Givi stuff, but sometimes the engineering hasn't been done well.
Spit works too when putting grommets in plexiglass.
Very true, but that probably wouldn't look too good in a video! Haaacktoooey... slobber, squish. Eww! 🤣👍 --QM
I love your supercub video. Ty for sharing.
Thanks for the feedback! 👍 --QM
Just got my Cub today May 1st. A pleasure to ride and waiting on the rack to come in. Dealer was surprised that I knew about the Cub. I told him about you and all the info you give. How did you order maintenance manual? I would like to order it if u give me the info. Keep the info up. thanks
Thx for the feedback! I ordered the manual via the link on Honda Powersports page that redirects to HELM (factory-authorized reprints). The price is very reasonable at $39.95, and it takes a week or two to ship throughout the continental USA. Both Honda and the HELM site recommend getting the Common Service Manual in addition to the bike-specific service manual, but that's up to you. Note that the description says that it's a reprint and that it might be in a binder... that's not the case here. This is a printed and bound manual just like any other manual... it's a high-quality book and not a cheap knock-off.
This is Honda's link/info page that refers out to Helm: powersports.honda.com/Experience/Article.aspx?Id=090111c081102a2a
Here is the link directly to the C125A manual on Helm's site: www.helminc.com/helm/product2.asp?Make=AHC&Model=C125&Year=2019&Category=1&class_2=AHC&mk=Honda+Motorcycle&yr=2019&md=C125A&dt=Shop%2FService+Information&module=&from=result&Style=helm&Sku=61K0G00&itemtype=N 👍 --QM
Fastenal is a good source for nuts and bolts, sometimes Ace can also sometime have the grommet to fit. then there's always the big box stores. what's become of the Ryker? take the mounts off and put the shield on (loosely) then mount the mounts back on the handlebar. hope it helped.
Roger Payne I am surprised the selection at Ace Hardware or even Home Depot metric nuts and bolts!
Good tip on Fastenal... I forgot about them, but I have used them in the past for odd parts and fasteners. We have one about 7-8 miles away, so I'll have to try that. We had a Sears Hardware store that had TONS of fasteners and grommets, but they just closed shop a few weeks ago.
As for the Ryker, it's still in play! I haven't been riding it as much over the past few weeks due to work constraints and other trips on the Super Cub (e.g. MotoGP at COTA). However, I am tentatively planning to take the Ryker on a serious road trip next week up to Springfield, MO for the Spyderfest meet/convention. I'll be motocamping for 3-4 days up there and living off the bike for a while. That round-trip will be about 1500 miles by itself. I might take a detour on the way back and swing through the Ozark Mountains and then head over to Oklahoma City area to visit family for a couple of days. That would push the trip mileage into the 2000+ range. I'll be sure to take plenty of video of that trip and the Sypderfest meet! --QM
The more you bay, the more problems ! Freedom is nothing have to lose ! 😊
Einstein This is par for the course I thought it was only me… But the more I watch the more I think he has the same thing I do?
I dig this bike, I had several versions as a kid, think I got a old 65cc version in a collapsed building, if no one has stole it. & know I have a few older engines in my attic. plus a nearly new leading link front fork.anyway on the bolts, I would use a cut off disc & put 3 little slots and taper end to make it like a TAP, so it would self cut threads. next on fairing, it needs a rubber or foam seal between headlight in my opinion? a person with a full beard, if no windshield, beard flaps over shoulder, but windshields not angled or sitting right, it causes turbulence in front of riders face, & beard spins & is over face & in eyes, very aggravating, & have to braid beard & double it up, which is a pain for a quick ride.a couple big questions, on Honda page if scrolling, there is a pic with buddy seat? is it offered or? any larger options for gas capacity? I know I once had an aux tank, don't remember what happened to it, not seen in 30+ years. also any type of sissy bar available? with buddy seat? I always preferred to strap a duffle bag & backpack to a sissybar.on your luggage rack, was it too narrow? or possible fender rolled too wide, & fender needing to be closed more? long time ago I built custom Harleys, & had to do more than my share of fabricating, and making arts fit.
Thx for the feedback! There is a lot of room for improvement with this screen. I'm not sure how the sealing around the headlight area would work due to vibration and such... I'll know more when I can get it fitted to the bike. I've already ordered my second screen and mount kit from another reseller in Italy (via Ebay), so we'll see how that plays out.
The Honda sites show lots of pictures and options that may not be available for particular markets (e.g. the Honda USA site shows the EU version with the EU lights and blue rear rack, which is not available here). I have seen the passenger/buddy seat (and footpegs) on the Asian sites, so I know that they are available. US DOT regulations prohibit the rear footpegs (and thus, the passenger) because they aren't mounted on a fixed part of the frame (swingarm is a moving part). The auxiliary tank isn't offered on the street-going Cub, but it might be available on the Cross Cub if that ever becomes a reality. I'm sure that a custom luggage rack could be found or fabricated that has a sissy bar or larger surface for mounting roll bags and such... it's just a matter of time or determination to find/make one! --QM
thanks, & for the swing arm bit, my old 1973 Harley Super glide had what looked like a second set of shock mounts, but were for passenger pegs, I did end up welding a bracket to frame to mount, as I had issues when I changed my exhaust with clearance. but figure out seat, and peg mounts, I may want & I can build my own sissy bar, luggage rack, & look at the aux tanks, lol. im not familiar with other countries e-bay so will have to do a little looking, & maybe try to find me one of these bikes. lol. keep up posting about, and be safe out there.
I finally figured it out...
Dave Ramsey !
I love your channel
Very thorough
Ill be a supercub owner by spring
Do you have suggestions on knobby tires ?
Also looking for the best seat pannier set up
Plan to use on logging roads in northern wisconsin
Thank you for your intel
🤣 ROFL... you're not the first person to mention that! That's flattering, because I think that Dave Ramsey is much more eloquent. He's certainly more successful than I am, so I'll aspire to achieve his success someday. I had never watched his channel until another viewer/commenter mentioned that I sounded like him.
As for the Cub accessories, I don't recommend this Givi screen because of the fiddly mounting and questionable quality control. The Asahi Short Visor that I installed and reviewed is a much better piece, IMHO. I haven't searched for any offroad or knobby tires for my Cub yet, but another viewer sent me some links for alternative tires that he installed on his Cub... I'll reply again separately with that info.
The ideal luggage and pannier solution for the Cub has been a quest for me, but I think that I've finally settled on a solution. The Kijima rear carrier and Kijima side supports (from japan.webike.com) pair up nicely with the DrySpec bags (from TwistedThrottle.com). I have the D38 with the D20's on the sides, and also the D28 of I need to carry more (or scale-down the D38). If I'm just running around town and need light storage, then I use a Ogio Stealth tailbag strapped to the rear rack.
I'll reply back with more details and some product links. Cheers! 👍👍 --QM
Did you ever get yours mounted up? I had similar issues with the unthreaded plastic bits but muddled (cranked the hardware hard and made my threads without the cutting slot) through. Fortunately my inspector did their job and all parts were present. Satisfied with the outcome. Lines up nice and looks good. Solidly mounted.
No, I still haven't received the missing grommet. I will probably order another mounting kit from Ebay so I can finish the job. I'm glad yours mounted up ok! How do you like it so far? Do you notice any wind buffeting at the helmet? A couple of other commenters have mentioned that the wind seemed to get worse after mounting the screen. I was concerned about that because of the proximity to the rider's position, it's pretty tight fit on the Cub between screen and rider. --QM
My clutch is a bit noisy, I hear a metallic sound during acceleration, too?
Windscreen? I live here in the NC mountains, and my C125 boggs down going up large hills. I don't want anything to further slow me down! Hope you get it sorted out.
You might be surprised at how a windscreen helps rather than hurts. It's a bit counter-intuitive, but the windscreen can reduce the aerodynamic drag of the rider's profile... as long as the screen itself isn't too large and becomes less "slippery" than the rider's profile. I noticed that my PCX150's can maintain highway speeds and fight headwinds better with a modest-sized screen than with the little OEM flyscreen. However, a windscreen won't help you with hills... gravity always wins. 😉 --QM
Those look like electrical grommets. You could probably get them form a electrical components supplier
“Whoever quality control number 70 is needs his ass removed.”
Lmao
I had more to say on that matter, but I was trying to keep it somewhat family-friendly. 😉 The rest of it goes "... hole with a rusty spoon and channel-lock pliers"... but that's a bit too much of a mental picture for some folks. 🤣 I have since received a second screen (after a 6-week wait), and the final mounting situation wasn't any better. I used it for one long road trip and then I removed it... went back to the Asahi Short Visor screen instead: ua-cam.com/video/K661rEq66Xg/v-deo.html . Cheers! 👍 --QM
I love the cub, and I wanna watch more of your vids, but they are too long, I wish you would edit down to under 10 minutes, Just a friendly suggestion to up your subscriber base and views ....
Ok, thx for the feedback! I'll see if I can compress some more time out of them. Making any of the videos or vlogs results in very long files, so the post production and editing is the real chore. The vidoes that I title as "VLOG" are typically long rambles during my work commutes. I'll try to do more subject-oriented, shorter videos on the Super Cub in the near future. --QM
Don't change a thing brother.Your videos are brilliant as they are
Well that sucks...
Do you think you will get more mpg with the screen or less mpg ?
I won't know for sure until I install and test it. Generally speaking, if the windscreen has just enough height to push the air stream over the rider's torso and it isn't raked too steeply (e.g. angled back slightly and not straight vertical), then it will make the bike slightly more aerodynamic by pushing the airflow around the rider's profile. Anything that reduces drag and moves air around the rider more efficiently will improve the efficiency. A typical motorcycle and rider's Cd (coefficient of drag) is basically 1.0 (e.g. a brick wall) at air speeds above 50 MPH... that's why "tucking in" helps top speed runs by reducing the drag on the machine.
My PCX150's have seen increased MPG's with the addition of aftermarket windscreens. The OEM unit was too short and directed all of the airflow directly at my shoulders and helmet. After I installed the larger windscreens, the fuel economy and top speed jumped up (~8-10 better mpg and ~3-4+ mph top speed) just because of the cleaner airflow. I will be sure to post my top speed and efficiency results after the windscreen is installed so we can all benefit from the numbers. --QM
I greet you with a nice QuasiMotard, very good movies, what to look at, and my slim motorcycle I'm dreaming about, Honda is Honda and you can not fool :) Wonderful motorcycle with a capacity of 125, I hope one day I will go had, good luck and a safe way, "rubber trees" Left hand up!
I thought the same thing... I tried for several minutes to decipher the intent and then face-palmed... gave up. It appears that Google Translate had an aneurysm and puked this out instead of intelligible English. I do appreciate the feedback, though... it's always interesting to read comments, and particularly ones from foreign viewers. This is all about community, and that community is diverse... and sometimes bizarre! 😉👍 --QM
Hello! Could you solve the problem? I have a kymco like with the same problem
Unfortunately not. I still haven't received my second mounting kit from Italy yet... it's been over 4 weeks since my last order. I never heard back from the first reseller or Givi (Italy or USA) about the packaging problems. That's not a very good reflection on their quality control or their customer service. --QM
This is a DIY job, I'll come round to fix for £20 per hour. 👍😊😊
🤣 Excellent, I'll buy the beer! 🍺🍻🍺 That Givi screen was rubbish in terms of fitment and quality control. I installed it later after I received a second kit, but it wasn't much better. I have reverted to the Asahi Short Visor windscreen, and it works much better. Cheers! 👍 --QM
Poor quality control by Givi. As a last resort could you not drill a hole right through the unthreaded section and then feed a bolt through with suitable nuts and washers to secure it. Grommet sets are sold at Amazon for $10.
The unthreaded screen bosses can't be drilled through because the back of them butts against the support rail... they slide up/down and rotate to give the screen a free-floating fitment. The plastic isn't too hard, so it won't be a problem to thread them with an appropriate screw or tap set. I tried a couple of local auto parts stores and a Fastenal (they have nearly everything), but I couldn't find a match for these grommets. I am expecting my second mounting kit to arrive sometime soon... I will post an update on this video to let everyone see how the Givi screen works out. --QM
Hi I enjoy your videos,could you give me the full details of the Ram mount you use for your mobile on the Cub
Certainly! Here is the list of parts:
RAM mirror mount adapter #RAM-B-272U ($12.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012TRIY4
RAM short double-socket arm ($9.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005KWPJ04 (be sure it's the one with the flat twist knob, the round knob doesn't work well)
RAM X-Grip ($26.49): www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055PH0XA
You can probably find the X-Grip as a kit, but the mounting arm may be too long, and the mounting base will certainly be wrong (not the mirror mount). Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to help! --QM
Have you ever watched Big Truck, Big RV’s channel? You guys sound very similar. I think he’s in Corpus Christi.
No, I haven't watched that channel, but I'll take a look! Maybe it's the southern accent? 😉 --QM
It might be. Check it out and let me know if I’m crazy 😀
Are you going to go with the imported tail light and signals I know you talked about it a while back! Just about 300 now on my super cub Man this thing is a kick to ride.. my Honda F6B has been sitting more and more!
The prices are very high from the U.K at any rate and to add shipping and import duty would really make it an expensive purchase. I have all the part number (and UK prices for anyone interested.
Martin Lynch There is a Japanese scooter supply that I’m Researching as we speak… But they don’t have any new listings yet for the new cub! Also still looking for a color matched rack otherwise I may have to give in and go with chrome
@Martin Lynch sent a very detailed list to me with part numbers and exploded parts diagrams. Thanks to Martin and his dealer for such a thorough job! I haven't pulled the trigger on ordering those parts quite yet... I'm waiting to see if I can source them from another market to avoid the hefty pound to dollar (or Euro-to-Dollar) exchange rates... and the dreaded VAT ("vampire added taxation") fees. Maybe one of the Asian or Indian markets (e.g. www.bikerzbits.com) will stock the parts we want. They are a little slow and the shipping costs aren't cheap, but I've had good luck with them in the past for Honda PCX150 and Yamaha parts. --QM
@@QuasiMotard My screen is arriving today from Kappa - I'll try do an unboxing video to show you the parts....
@@K22MDL Excellent... I will be watching! --QM
Kính còn o bạn ? Cho giá .
Don't think so that is the way to fix it...
lol nice windshield and bad engineering. I may ask guys at Givi (they are 30mi away from my home) if they can provide me an extra grommet... guarantee nothing
Thx for the offer and the feedback! If I can't find a source for the missing grommet, then I will order another A1168A mounting kit from eBay. The shipping cost is nearly the same as the kit, so the total will be $65-70 USD just to get a grommet. Ouch. Very annoying. --QM
givi asked me a pic of one of the grommets and told me they will ship me one extra for free with quickmail.
@@QuasiMotard
Poor QC#70.... he's hosed, forget one grommet and lose your job :) If this was chinese I woulda said it was probably a 6 year old kid who hasn't learned to count yet :)
DUDE, YOU HAD ONE JOB! 😉 I just spoke to Givi USA in Nevada, and they said that they don't have any of these parts yet, so they can't help me. Crap. I'll try the local Fastenal and Ace Hardware to see if they have anything close enough to match. If not, then I'll purchase another mounting kit from eBay and hope that it takes less than 3 weeks to arrive. Even if it's missing pieces, I can mix-and-match to get a complete kit. 😉 👍 --QM
In my opinion it is a too high.
Yes, it ended up being too tall. I received a second screen after a long wait, and the mounting situation wasn't any better. I used the Givi screen for one long roadtrip, and then I reverted to the Asahi Short Visor windscreen instead. Cheers! 👍 --QM
You might be interested in this, Kappa (same as Givi in my experience) screen install by a viewer across the pond: ua-cam.com/video/Sb_Ja5b9eWQ/v-deo.html
Thx for the feedback and advice! Great catch, sir! @Martin Lynch is a subscriber of my channel and we have been communicating about the Givi vs. Kappa screen solution. I am still in a holding pattern on my Givi screen until I source the missing grommet for the screen/mount. Martin mentioned that he has some wind buffeting from his screen, so I may experience the same issue. If so, then I plan to cut my screen down a few inches to keep the helmet in clear air and just let the screen deflect wind around the torso and shoulders. The screen itself isn't too expensive, so I don't mind modifying (and potentially damaging) it; however, the shipping times and costs to the USA are the killer. --QM
Kapa also do the exact same equivalent: www.kappamoto.com/My-motorcycle/?mo=Super-Cub-C125-18&ma=HONDA
Yep, it looks like the same part... even the part numbers are the same. Givi probably OEM's that for Kappa or vice-versa? Is it the same company under a different brand name? I remember some of the Kappa Trekker cases that were sold under the Givi brand here in the USA. --QM
@@QuasiMotard I've asked my mate here who is the distributor for the UK the question and price. I'll come back to you. Helps having been in the trade for years!
I always thought Givi stuff was a rip off. Now I see it's also crap.
Well, I've had good luck with them in the past, as far as quality and suitability is concerned. This mounting solution definitely sucks, period. Givi is certainly on the expensive side for most of their gear... that's for sure. These pieces are surprisingly inexpensive coming out of the Italian marketplace: the screen was only $45.40 and the mount was $41.71... however, the shipping was a whopping $85.48 for a 3-week slow boat from Italy! That's why I'm so annoyed... getting a replacement means more time and money to fix their F-up!
The Givi USA tech support that I spoke with today advised that each market is a franchise, so they operate under their own rules and "quality" standards. He didn't have much hope for me resolving this issue. Mr. QC#70 can kiss my annoyed American a**... --QM
Next time fix the windscreen on the support first .. then you fix the support on the handlebars. And you should fix the Windscreen in 3 points if you've missed one rubber grommet just to see how it is looks like.. Common.. you know at the end you will be the one that goes around that missing rubber grommet.. right? Send the Video link to the guys that sold that mounting shit to you. Let them see what you've got.
I sent all of the pics and a link to the video to the reseller in Italy, but they never responded. Givi USA said that they couldn't help because that kit isn't available here yet. So, I ordered another kit from a different reseller on Ebay. Even if the second kit isn't complete, I should have enough pieces to put one together. I'll post another video of the complete setup and my opinions about the screen after it's installed. --QM
@@QuasiMotard Why do you purches another kit?.. just for one rubber grommet or it have diferent suport bars? I don't get it reallty.
@@gattonpc We can't get the separate/specific parts for that kit here in the USA yet. I looked for a replacement grommet, but the Givi part is very specific on the inner diameter and shoulder width... I couldn't find anything to fit. The support bars should work fine... it's just the missing grommet for mounting the shield securely and without breaking it... wind pressure and turbulence would break the plastic without that last grommet in place. --QM
Throw it in the garbage.
No way, man! I'll keep it for my wall of shame, if nothing else. I ordered another kit, so this will be used for spare parts. I might cut down one of the shields to half-high and/or have it tinted to match the bike... we'll see. --QM
Buy genuine Honda parts next time
He would have if Honda actually made one - but they don't.
Honda doesn't offer a windscreen, or I might try that option. However, the OEM rack didn't work out very well for me, so that's not always the best option: ua-cam.com/video/5xzRMqrzME0/v-deo.html --QM
QuasiMotard It’s too big for my taste I have one on my Yamaha C3 that smaller and has mirror mount I’m going to see if it fits! Take care ride safe and make sure you watch for the other guy in those 4wheelers !
@@samsacre4304 I won't know how well I like it until I can get it mounted properly and put down a few miles behind it to see how it performs. We'll see. I might shave about 1/3 of the height off of the top (round the corners, etc)... the width looks about right, though.
Ahhh, the C3... what a great little scoot... the Igloo cooler on wheels. I have one of those in my stable as well. My son and I tricked it out with a small tombstone windscreen, hand guards, LED lights and signals, and some front driving lights. It's not going anywhere fast, but it's fun all the same! Here are a few pics of my C3 with the windscreen... it made a huge difference in the ride quality just by breaking up the airflow across the chest and torso: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Uc3fPpFMPFuy58F6JTHlX1cw1qAtmEtK?usp=sharing --QM