Laser welding and case restoration - Yes or No?

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  • Опубліковано 26 лис 2024

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  • @WatchGeek
    @WatchGeek  5 років тому +36

    josip.kocis@gmail.com is the email of this "magician" for all those interested in contacting him!

    • @dreamst
      @dreamst 5 років тому +2

      Thank you so very much!

    • @alberto6439
      @alberto6439 5 років тому +2

      Watch Geek outstanding work 🔥🏆 totally justified 👍

    • @lkkjhtemmexv1838
      @lkkjhtemmexv1838 5 років тому +1

      ima not worried about magic iam concerned about being stolen...

    • @frankhoward9692
      @frankhoward9692 4 роки тому

      I sent a message but yet to receive a reply. It is probably in his spam file. Could you let him know?

    • @watchnerds
      @watchnerds 4 роки тому +3

      Would you mind to share his video on how he refinished the sunburst finish?

  • @JosephCoates
    @JosephCoates 5 років тому +104

    People restore cars and sell them after rust repair. I don't see why watch restoration would be any different. As long as everyone is honest about it, I think its great.

    • @gbsprasanna
      @gbsprasanna 5 років тому +3

      The dude abides 🙌

    • @Dori21ha
      @Dori21ha 4 роки тому +4

      Specialist from this video will remove wear marks on use item but final product will be never sell as a brand new. This form of repairs is kind of art, if you can repair something to make it look beautiful again and function great, you should do this. If job is done right it will stay longer in a great shape. This watches have own history with the owners. You can save old times of this watch or make your own history from beginning.

    • @beetrootjunkie4178
      @beetrootjunkie4178 3 роки тому

      I totally agree.

    • @etebol
      @etebol 2 роки тому

      I happen to agree.

    • @martinyong2806
      @martinyong2806 2 роки тому

      Agree, we should see this development as hope to watches lover and not solely from negative angle. Remember a knife can help and also kill. Is just hope mass majority perception.

  • @computeruser1626
    @computeruser1626 5 років тому +40

    The person has an amazing skill. He is a magician.

  • @carloscolon5453
    @carloscolon5453 5 років тому +22

    This takes restoration to a whole new level and I see absolutely nothing wrong with, or negative about it. Great video... thanks for sharing.

  • @cnaarndt
    @cnaarndt 5 років тому +14

    When you send an A. Lange & Sohne watch back for service and polishing they laser weld the case as a standard part of the service, as they don't want to remove any more metal than necessary. BTW ALL of their watches are precious metal , they don't have any steel case watches! If it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for my steel watches. I love this process and have used it before in the high end automobile badge restoration process with amazing results.

  • @Watch-Crazy
    @Watch-Crazy 5 років тому +12

    Superb video, and what a repair!! Incredible workmanship. I see nothing wrong with it, it's no different to the likes of restoring a antique painting or maintaining a vintage car.

  • @Assorted12
    @Assorted12 5 років тому +9

    Beautiful work.
    Refinishing is absolutely moral and ethical.
    Lying is always immoral and unethical.
    The process shouldn't be demonised because of weak people.

  • @pedrosaenz2800
    @pedrosaenz2800 5 років тому +4

    Restoration is a good option. I like my watches to look like new or es best as it can. I beated my Submariner for 30 years and afterwardsit had to be restored. The AD did a wonderful job and now I enjoy my dad's present looking as new. I would like to have good bracelet restorers. OYSTER and Jubelee vintage should get solid enlinks and better clasps.

  • @wpherigo1
    @wpherigo1 5 років тому +27

    I agree. The technology has no morality. Morality is a trait of people. The technology is “out of the box” and there’s no putting it back! Nice refinishing!

  • @kevincorkery6292
    @kevincorkery6292 5 років тому +10

    Great results. Glad this technique is available.

  • @Pimpi1980g
    @Pimpi1980g 5 років тому +4

    He is great. He has done one of my vintage Seikos. And I agree. Always be honest with the watch condition, what have you done to it. Even though his work is amazing and the lines are almost if not like the original ones.

  • @markthibault8579
    @markthibault8579 5 років тому +2

    Wow. That's seriously impressive. I really like the idea that if you have an accident with your watch, you can have it repaired to bring it back into service. Very cool!

  • @aguiloco23
    @aguiloco23 5 років тому +1

    For me a watch with small scratches but the original lines of the case still sharp is fine, but when it has big marks or have been badly polished before a good case refinishing is a must. That laser welded is amazing, I wish I had one.

  • @fakenewsisthenews3542
    @fakenewsisthenews3542 Рік тому

    I think it's awesome! He is making things better and nicer in a quality way. Nothing wrong with that. Like posters said below, people restore cars, why not? I'd rather have a nicer looking watch too. Not all of us want to wear something that looks like it's seen better days. If you don't know, then you don't know.

  • @jc944t
    @jc944t 5 років тому +1

    I'm all for it and consider this to be excellent craftsmanship. People do the same thing to vintage cars ... and just about everyone loves a restored, vintage car!

  • @faisalingalong
    @faisalingalong 5 років тому +10

    That’s some impressive restoration. Personally for one of my keepers I’d be happy with that sort of maintenance. It is a bit worrying for those who would abuse it and take advantage of non-experts. I’ve got that very same watch by the way!

    • @weezl007
      @weezl007 3 роки тому

      You hit the nail on the head! Vintage buyers are perhaps now better off buying polished watches??

  • @brockisoverrated
    @brockisoverrated 5 років тому

    I personally love this and have no issues with it. Even if its being sold as NOS as long as there is a disclaimer saying the case has been repaired. Old cars, broken Iphones screens etc all get repaired and sold to new owners who appreciate them, why not watches. The mans work is beautiful.

  • @dylvasey
    @dylvasey 5 років тому +3

    I see nothing wrong with refinishing myself, but I can understand those who do. I do feel that people are rightfully concerned about your average refinish as they are mostly pretty bad. Couple that with the loss of steel during normal refinishing and I can understand people's concerns. This however is very impressive and instead of taking steel away, it adds it. If all refinishing was carried out to this level I think most people would be for it.
    Congrats on covering a topic everyone else seems to have missed. Did you cover how much it was? I started typing halfway through the video, so sorry if I missed it, but I would love to know.

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      It depends on the damage, $50 is I think the lowest and then it just goes up, but still a lot less than factory fixes

    • @dylvasey
      @dylvasey 5 років тому +1

      @@WatchGeek To be honest I expected it to cost so much more.

  • @spiros2310
    @spiros2310 4 роки тому

    Amazing. This is better than heavily polishing a watch to take scratches out, you are adding material and not removing the material around the scratch to level off a dent.

  • @pob1911
    @pob1911 5 років тому +2

    Wow, he did an awesome job. I’d have no issue with laser welding or repairs.. but buying vintage you always have to assume this work may have been done in the past.

  • @nickutkin
    @nickutkin 5 років тому +2

    Very interesting topic. I think it depends on how you look at it. If watch was in bad condition and some one brought it back to life, does it became a bad watch? Also I think for people who experts and enthusiasts in vintage watches case condition is not 100% proof of overall condition, there’s a lot more moments and factors to tell if watch been worn...
    The technology is amazing and I hope it will save lot of great pieces of history from going in trash cans)

  • @moochnhowzn
    @moochnhowzn 5 років тому

    I think that its a fantastic way to repair a watch and he is obviously a skilled worker and watch repair specialist

  • @samhor33
    @samhor33 4 роки тому

    Definitely a yes for me, just sent my IWC big pilot to my local watch maker to fix some deep scratch with laser welding, can't wait to see the result.

  • @jorgemontilla5329
    @jorgemontilla5329 3 роки тому

    He did a very professional job. Congrats, that Speedmaster is back to life with its original lines...

  • @MyRetroWatches
    @MyRetroWatches 5 років тому +4

    Excellent video. I am all for it. As you know my channel is all about watch restoration . Your guy does a very impressive job indeed. Would like to learn a few tips too.
    How good is his English ? I would like to talk to him about my group as I am always looking to recommend guys who do services that many other would refuse.

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      He says he speaks "broken English" a term used for people who speak it, but the grammar isn't always correct, so I am sure you two will understand each other 😉👍

  • @garyb2507
    @garyb2507 Рік тому

    The finished watch looks fantastic! Laser welding is a great development.

  • @drewsmith6066
    @drewsmith6066 5 років тому +2

    X 2 The person has an amazing skill. He is a magician.

  • @weezl007
    @weezl007 3 роки тому +1

    This is amazing tech - it does present a serious issue for vintage collectors, given it looks like they'll be able to basically make anything look NOS - like buying a car that's actually been in a wreck. We will now all be highly suspicious of anything vintage with Chamfers.

  • @torontowatches9709
    @torontowatches9709 9 місяців тому

    Best thing ever for watchmaking surprised the watch companies such as Rolex and Omega don’t offer this service to clients that way it’s in house

  • @fabriziodutto7508
    @fabriziodutto7508 3 роки тому

    Absolutely for this technology! Obviously the job of this men will be paid and the watch will gain value at the same time. I think it's a win-win. Thank you for sharing!

  • @armandomolina2451
    @armandomolina2451 2 роки тому +1

    Great work , perfect for restorations on expensive or rare pieces.

  • @tockingwatches2377
    @tockingwatches2377 10 місяців тому

    If someone had laser welding done prior to my purchase, and it looks great afterward, I’d be thankful.

  • @user-uj9hr7cr8j
    @user-uj9hr7cr8j 5 років тому +1

    Wow, who’s the watchmaker? Also have an omega with a pretty bad ding... Thanks

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому

      The email is in the description

  • @clo2715
    @clo2715 5 років тому +6

    I think it's great.

  • @simeonaleksiev8690
    @simeonaleksiev8690 5 років тому +4

    In the begining I was like : "what kind of sorcery is this". Very interesting as always!

    • @simeonaleksiev8690
      @simeonaleksiev8690 5 років тому +1

      Also I agree with your points. It is interesting tech and can do wonders.

  • @Stelja7
    @Stelja7 4 роки тому

    Hello dear friend, could you tell us about the device for welding ??? what is this device and how does it work?? Thank you sincerely Pavel.

  • @michaelpaulos420
    @michaelpaulos420 Рік тому

    THANK YOU! I like to keep my watches perfect. Do they also do breclett restoration?-thnks very much....

  • @adamashack4037
    @adamashack4037 2 роки тому

    Hello
    That is a very impressive work
    Also can he fix brass movements that has been damaged by a corrosive battery?
    Thanks for your time

  • @adamashack4037
    @adamashack4037 2 роки тому

    Where can I find this guy?
    Also can he fix a brass movement? It’s been damaged by a
    Call rotten

  • @TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces
    @TimeToGoTravelAndTimepieces 5 років тому +1

    That is very impressive. Really well done.

  • @rcgems
    @rcgems 4 роки тому +1

    I do laser repairs on watches. You can even do repairs on gold filled with gold wire. The fear of creating an NOS or close to NOS i think is not reality. If you know the watch there is always a tell on the watch. The rougher the watch the more there is to tell. I think if it was a super rare watch it might be possible to invest the kind of time to try to pull off an NOS. The area around the serial number and model number would be very had to make NOS quality.

  • @yapolloable
    @yapolloable 4 роки тому

    I have the same seiko 7018. Great watch, I'm looking to have the acrylic crystal repolished but too afraid to do it on my own.

  • @nemeninemeni
    @nemeninemeni 5 років тому

    Quite a good skill. However a good challenge for him would be a King Seiko or the cases for vintage 6138/6139 chronographs. The case work for these are nuts

  • @frankschroth4038
    @frankschroth4038 5 років тому +3

    I think that is a great opportunity to get your loved watch in a great condition. But you are right, it opens doors for fraudulent behaviour by sellers , telling you the watch is NOS.
    Now we collectors even more so , have to check the watch( photos) history before we buy.
    Frank

  • @razvanon
    @razvanon 5 років тому +1

    did he take the movement out or it wasn't necessary because not enough heat to damage the movement as a normal weld will do ?

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +2

      Apparently the temperature is so focused that it is not necessary to take out the movement, it is very localized which is why he does so many small applications

  • @bruceleroy8063
    @bruceleroy8063 3 роки тому

    I approve and I'm a stickler for authenticity. As long as you don't claim it is unworn, it's a good thing.

  • @thomascook5788
    @thomascook5788 2 роки тому

    Sounds like the same seller that I bought from in Japan. Same exact issue with the case polish.

  • @danieldravot341
    @danieldravot341 2 роки тому

    I think restoring anything, from a house to a car to a watch, is perfectly fine as long as it isn’t represented as original.
    If you’re at Goodwood and you knock a corner off your 1963 Ferrari GTO, you’re going to fix it and represent it as an almost 60 year old race car. Cars get into shunts, watches show signs of wear and houses get lived in - they all show signs of use.
    I have had the bezel on a Speedy Moon watch repaired in this fashion, and I have an Omega Aqua Terra that needs this sort of attention right now. If I sell a used vintage watch as used, the assumption of repair or service at some time should be assumed.

  • @casablancawatch
    @casablancawatch 5 років тому

    simply amazed. the guy is great. as for the morality, i see no problem as long as sellers don't misrepresent a refinished case as new. but that is the seller's responsibility.

  • @MartinGER-watchlover
    @MartinGER-watchlover 5 років тому +1

    Yes.....its a good thing.

  • @richardjohnson5419
    @richardjohnson5419 4 роки тому

    from my experience there will always be people who like to own a watch that is untouched, but the vast majority would prefer to have one that looks and feels as good as it was intended to be.

  • @RogerSartet007
    @RogerSartet007 5 років тому +2

    Wow! That is impressive.

  • @NW-lj6oo
    @NW-lj6oo 2 роки тому

    The point about this is that it is restored rather than original condition. If restoring gets it to a new condition that is great in my view

  • @stevenmattson3164
    @stevenmattson3164 2 роки тому +1

    I’d imagine the cost of fully servicing a vintage watch plus replacing NOS parts, crystal, bezel, bezel insert, etc. PLUS a case overhaul by this guy would be extremely expensive and cut deep into the “watch flipper’s” bottom line. I’m all for this kind of repair. It’s no different than a bolts-up restoration of a vintage auto, motorcycle or airplane.

  • @Andrew-J316
    @Andrew-J316 4 роки тому

    All for the tech! Thanks for making us aware of it!

  • @lukewales5332
    @lukewales5332 Рік тому

    Hi, How much did that repair cost you?

  • @oompfent
    @oompfent 2 роки тому

    I agree with your stance on transparence and telling that the watch has been repaired.
    However, I wonder what would be the actual physical difference between a factory new watch and a watch that has been repaired by this technique to the point of looking new like this.
    The result is so incredible... Would we need a microscope or something ?

  • @alt0v14
    @alt0v14 5 років тому +1

    If personnaly you can't tell for sure was it refinished or not, what difference does it make personally for you? If you are watch collector,you can easyly spot any modifications, for everyone else refinishing doesn't mean something bad at all. But honest seller should warn their byers for such modifications.

  • @hoanglevu6116
    @hoanglevu6116 5 років тому

    As a reseller, I've encouter watches with this level of restoration before, mostly from watchmakers from Japan. They would inform you that the watch is "refinished". I've brought it to AD, and the staff there hardly told if the watches is NOS or used.
    Its a moral question if you tell the buyers about the status of your goods. In my case, I choose to tell them every details I know.

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому

      And that's the way it's supposed to be done 👍

  • @RideCamVids
    @RideCamVids 3 роки тому

    Its a great process that saves a lot of damaged cases and if you are honest and say it's been refinished then thats fine. When people are dishonest and misrepresent an item as new when its been refinished, then sadly its buyer beware.

  • @computeruser1626
    @computeruser1626 5 років тому +2

    Miracle!!!

  • @davidsonviray1403
    @davidsonviray1403 3 роки тому

    hi, may i ask because the caseback of my seiko 5 have a single deep scratch though it's not noticeable since it is on the caseback, do you think it can be repaired? and how much do you think it will cost? just wondering if you have any idea :)

  • @kevinkirkbride9062
    @kevinkirkbride9062 3 роки тому

    I don’t personally see a problem with the technology. I have seen people listing watch cases as NOS, but when you really look at it you can see dirt from use. This clearly should not happen. That being said, I love the idea of putting the watch back on new condition, but it is the responsibility of the owner/seller to be honest and state the the case has been reconditioned or restored.

  • @AnandSaprasert
    @AnandSaprasert 4 роки тому

    I'm in Thai, I want to know what brand and model I am going to open some repair shop in Thai.

  • @therealitybyjayrocco
    @therealitybyjayrocco 4 роки тому

    If you are saving a case. The restoration of the piece should be 1 known and 2 listed as restored. Saving any piece of history should be not just expected but also encouraged. The repair is quite expensive and like most care restorations you rarely recoup the money put in but you can. Personal I like patina. I never fill in an engraving EVER ENGRAVINGS ARE PART OF HISTORY and the history of the watch we as collectors should respect that individual personalization and presentation. I’m proud that I restore watches I’m saving history.

  • @pierremartin9048
    @pierremartin9048 3 роки тому

    Frigging great, common, this is a most excellent service.

  • @jonathanwelke
    @jonathanwelke 3 роки тому

    What is the price for a watch repair like this ???

  • @chronoboat11
    @chronoboat11 3 роки тому

    It is what it is!!! He is not trying to hide anything....

  • @masqueman01
    @masqueman01 5 років тому +2

    Dang... that is awesome.

  • @jorge31415927
    @jorge31415927 Рік тому

    This is a great thing for watchmaking

  • @samd.5203
    @samd.5203 5 років тому +1

    I love it and would do it. Like you said I can see where this can be abused.

  • @BoogurTWang
    @BoogurTWang 5 років тому +1

    If the integrity of th metal is not compromised then more power to him!

  • @silverghost4206
    @silverghost4206 2 роки тому

    I own 2 orient stars. An i adore them. I would treat them with the same love an respect an same level as a omega. But i do not own a omega. I am hoping one day i can. My point to this is, who would destroy a omega watch like that?. People like that do not deserve to own a watch such like that. Baffles my mind. The restoration came along very well, an id be happy with the outcome too.

  • @wojtekstach78
    @wojtekstach78 5 років тому +2

    eventual unfair deal would be made by unfair seller and NOT by this tallented magician, so he has no reason to feel wrong about it
    plus it is abig chance to restore watches that has no spre parts available anymore or they have sentimental value for the owner

  • @Guillermo_says
    @Guillermo_says 5 років тому

    I already want to contact your guy. Honestly i don't see a problem, but you guy could have a website with the serial number of the watches he has worked on, It would be cheap and really cool IMO

  • @bomberfire693
    @bomberfire693 4 роки тому

    do you change t shirt during videos?

  • @froquejr
    @froquejr 5 років тому +1

    awesome invention, and skill!

  • @richardtreem864
    @richardtreem864 3 роки тому

    Are you able to share the name of the restorer? Does he have a website?

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  3 роки тому +1

      The email is in the description

  • @enniogiordano9145
    @enniogiordano9145 5 років тому +4

    Astounding job, I'd definitely do that to a very damaged watch.

  • @erikroelinkcitizen2302
    @erikroelinkcitizen2302 5 років тому

    Yes good invention keeps the old best alive and sure Ik can juse it on my 1601 Rolex

  • @spikemotorcity1
    @spikemotorcity1 5 років тому +1

    Outstanding !

  • @Bobsbargainbasement
    @Bobsbargainbasement 5 років тому +2

    I would love to get his name and address if possible! I have a Seiko case back that has been butchered by a so called watchmaker because he couldn’t remove it he gouged the case back at 3 of the notches . 🙏

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      I'll ask him if he's willing to share his information and let you guys know

    • @Bobsbargainbasement
      @Bobsbargainbasement 5 років тому +1

      Watch Geek cool, thanks!

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      I've posted his email at the beginning of the comments section

  • @Joe-xo3xy
    @Joe-xo3xy 4 роки тому

    Hello there, how's it going? Hope you are keeping well?
    I just bumped into this video trying to research on laser welding.
    Is there anyway you can send me the contact details for the watch maker?
    Hope to hear from you soon and all the best.

  • @jayhoughton4174
    @jayhoughton4174 3 роки тому

    People restore watches all the time, using polywatch, or cape cod cloths, or a polish during servicing. This mechanism seems a much better way of restoring the integrity of the case.

  • @frankschroth4038
    @frankschroth4038 Рік тому

    Hello watch geek.
    I was wondering if Josip still in business?
    I wrote him a email if he could fix my omega case back , but he didn't respond.
    Does he speak English?
    Frank

  • @Analstrosen
    @Analstrosen 3 роки тому

    If someone really wanted to protect their investment in the 100k vintage piece market, they could perform forensic X-ray operations on it. I think everyone wins and there’s more services that can benefit from it, while keeping the market overall that much more competitive. In the sub 10k market, I don’t see why anyone would even care because the work is expensive, expect to pay a stack + -. More pieces could be brought back to life and have value added.

    • @Analstrosen
      @Analstrosen 3 роки тому

      There will be crappy work, like metal color being off, shouldn’t be hard to find with a loop and the right light. That should make the piece effectively half the value or less.

  • @chyrt
    @chyrt 5 років тому +1

    love the video, thank you

  • @johanmarais4179
    @johanmarais4179 5 років тому +2

    Brilliant!

  • @MrDudezProductionz
    @MrDudezProductionz 5 років тому

    Hey, sick Speedmaster! And that's some brilliant work. What would you say is a reasonable price for Speedmaster in that condition (before refinish) in USD? Not day/date either like your one because I'm assuming that one's more expensive because ofthe day/date/month complication.

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      I think the automatics are from $1500-2500 depending on the condition and whether it comes with papers or not

  • @samueljohnson4263
    @samueljohnson4263 3 роки тому

    I have no words
    Don’t know if it’s good or bad

  • @j.adanga9787
    @j.adanga9787 4 роки тому

    I think people are scum feeders if they will attack a person of this talent for doing what he is engaged for. What tremendous skill, that takes years of training and perfecting and a wonderful service and resource for us. What a reseller does with a restored watch is on that reseller, not the restorer. So in relation to your morality element, there is no indictment on the restorer.

  • @dreamst
    @dreamst 5 років тому +1

    Brilliant any chance of some contact info for Mr Fixit?

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      I'll ask him if he's willing to share his info

    • @WatchGeek
      @WatchGeek  5 років тому +1

      I have pinned his contact information in the comments

  • @dthompson722
    @dthompson722 2 роки тому

    You can send your watch back to Rolex and Rolex will change your Serial number Indicating that the case is not original. You'll pay out the Ying Yang monies or pay to have the case repaired. No one would any wiser but you. I have a Tudor watch that some one tried to change the look of and destroyed the case. I thought I would have find a used case on Ebay to replace the original case. This gives me a new option.

  • @deparoo
    @deparoo 5 років тому +2

    To restore old watches? Heck Yeah!
    But if I walked in a boutique and got sold this kind of watch, I'll be bitter and salty.

  • @ThomasLeonardSr
    @ThomasLeonardSr 4 роки тому

    Wow! For those of us who can't afford NOS, here's the answer.

  • @danilos767
    @danilos767 5 років тому +1

    Kralju...Nema Smeker ipol si ! :) Sve sam se pito kako lik izgleda...

  • @Iberian247
    @Iberian247 4 роки тому

    Definitely a good thing!

  • @weezl007
    @weezl007 3 роки тому

    Has a slight Christoph Waltz accent which is a big compliment :)

  • @magnumpunch
    @magnumpunch 3 роки тому

    Imagine this. Buy a super recent damaged watch (case). Send to official repair, just say TUDOR. They do "something" you don't exactly know and the watch comes back as new. You paid tons for the official repair. When you sell the watch would you be specific or just say "perfect conditions"?!

  • @fakenewsisthenews3542
    @fakenewsisthenews3542 Рік тому

    May we ask what did you pay for a job like yours?