How To Troubleshoot an Escapement Problem
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video, we'll be discussing how to troubleshoot an escapement problem in a watch. This is a common issue that can be caused by a variety of problems, and we'll be able to help you fix it!
If you're having trouble with your watch, be sure to watch this video to learn how to diagnose and fix the escapement problem. We'll cover everything from diagnostics to fixing the issue yourself, so you can get your watch working again as soon as possible!
This ALLWYN 6139 has s serious problem in the escapement and I will walk you through the process of finding it.
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Wanted to watch this one first before I dive into the advanced palette stone adjustment video over on Patreon. Speaking of which, I am so happy your patrons list has gotten so long! The channel provides immeasurable value for beginners like me, and I'm really glad you're at least able to get something back for all the time, effort, and expense that goes into making these videos for us. Thanks Alex!
It definitely offsets some of the expense that goes into what I’m trying to do on the channel. Thank you for you support brother.
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Brilliant video and so clearly explained - it all makes sense now ! Thank you so much !
Thank you. This is just part of the troubleshooting process. There's much much more. I'll be covering more troubleshooting in upcoming videos.
The exit jewel must have been moved before the shellac had set. It is astonishing that such a small movement caused the effect it did. Mant thanks for this video. It has given me an idea about a problem Seiko 7006A that I am currently troubleshooting.
I suspect that someone in India had tried to repair it and wasn’t sure what to do.
What an excellent tutorial. Again, I'm sure you are watching me. At every stage you pre-empt my problems. I have a problem, you do a video. You advise and cajole on the learning progression. Thank you for passing on part of your knowledge.
LOL Ross. Glad it was useful
@@watchrepairtutorials Oh so useful. I do have a lot to practice to do before I attempt most of the content. However, as you point out, having the knowledge does help in the overall system of troubleshooting. A smashing course so far. Thank you
Best explanation of escapement troubleshooting I have seen thus far. Thank you Alex
I found this video fascinating, it did not answer the question I was looking for with a problem I have of dramatic positional error but I still learnt something.
With any 6### Seiko movement the lift angle is 54.5 so this would increase your amplitude on your TG 53 degrees is for the 70## movements. Still 230-240 is very good. In hobbyist land we tend to say on old Seiko movements that anything 200+ is good enough! I would be super impressed with 240 on any 6### movement I have worked on. Just shows I still have a lot to learn.
Hello Mike, I hope things are well with you.
Honestly, I don’t remember how I came up with 53 or if it was just an oversight. Usually when I’m working on a movement that I don’t know the lift angle. I calculate it, but in this case, I honestly can’t remember.
I think with the new main spring and a lot of additional work, I could get the amplitude up to 270 but this movement is it really worth it? In my opinion. Anyway, great to hear from you and thank you.
@@watchrepairtutorials 270 is still insanely good for these movements! You have free skills sir!
I’ve been a long time lurker of your channel but finally subscribed today realising I had not.
I going to give you a few shout outs too because what you are doing is brilliant and I think many of my subs if they have not already found your channel might like to know about what you are doing.
I am at a point of my Watch repair where I have plateau’d some jobs I am not sure how to do and some just don’t seem to have the confidence. I’ve now sought help from a local 56 year served professional who is going to help me push myself into the more detailed work. Actually quite excited.
I appreciate that Mike. Never hesitate to reach out if you need something.
Another great one, might explain an issue that was driving me crazy with one of my past projects I now have to revisit.
Thanks for giving me a light bulb moment wrt the relationship between pallet stones and fork angles
Glad to help Ben. The escapement is a fascinating mechanism for sure.
I learned a lot witch your detailed explanation an logic behind troubleshooting….I will call it analytical an diagnosis thinking method (ADTM). Great job !!! Living evidence of +35 years of experience. Master of masters.
I hope these videos help you in your learning process
I worked on one Molnija 3602 with a similar problem, and I have trouble to See exactly what happen between pallets fork and balance. Very few space to see due to bridges. Any tips ?
There are ways of testing the escapement even when you can’t see the parts clearly.
It’s available in my escapement inspection course.
The terminal curve on the hairspring looked pretty frightful. Did you work on that or am I imagining that issue?
Yeah, that movement just had a flat spiral balance spring with no regulator curve. Speaks to the quality of the movement low
Hi Alex, I'm having trouble troubleshooting an issue with my watch. The pallet fork needs to reach almost the center of the pins to release. I can see through the microscope that the pallet stone is somewhat deep into the escape teeth. I have a 6ms bit error. Thank you very much for your content its amazing!
By the sound of it, the escapement needs to be adjusted. It’s a long process more than I can answer here but if you’re interested, I did make a couple videos on how to inspect and adjust the escapement which is available on my Patreon page. There are links in the description, and they about me page of my channel
Hi Sir Alex, thank you for sharing this informative videos i play all vidoes one by one to added me technaque for repair my Watch and thank you for Tips before end of videos. from Philippines
That's very wise. Learn and practice, Learn then practice. There is not enough practicing going on. Everyone learning watch repair should have several movements that they use for practicing on. You definitely don't want to practice on grandpa's Rolex. If you know what I mean..
@@watchrepairtutorials Thank you Sir, Alex ur Advice...
Your description of these problems are exceptional. You save me a lot of time reading my 30 books on watchmaking
Thank you for the compliment JD. I hope it helps.
Hola mi amigo saludos , nuevamente felicitando y dejando mi comentario quisiera hacerte una pregunta dónde puedo ver una lista de los movimientos originales y sus copias para tener una mejor guía al tratar con ellos gracias espero tu respuesta
No existe tal lista. Los movimientos modernos tienen hojas técnicas que se pueden buscar en Google. Los movimientos más antiguos no tenían fichas técnicas, solo lista de piezas.
That picture on your UA-cam site dose not look like you I was like who is that guy lol😅
Its a Cartoon version I guess.
Wonderful Alex, thanks for sharing buddy, another great lesson to add to my arsenal
Glad you enjoyed it Ralfy. Every little bit helps
Love your videos! watched one where you suggested Molykote DX paste as an alternative to Moebus grease. Can you confirm where it will be used? Thanks in advance
anywhere grease is used with the exception of the barrel. So keyless, motions works, things like that.
How many drops of 9015 go in how much hexane? to make home made v106? hard as heck re- find the bonus hack
As always thanks in advance!
@@craigcampo5921 Here you go.
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Alex I watch your videos all the time! Your comtent has helped me along soooo much! I now posess the ability to tear down, clean, lube and regulate a wayxh and its all thanks to you!
Im an IT manager by trade. This os a aode hig for me and a hobby. Woth your help I am a happier pwrson woth sich an enjoyable hobby. Watch making made me feel alive again for the forst time aince covid started.
Keep up the good work! If you ever need IT help ide be happy to assist.
Thank you my friend. There’s no greater satisfaction that helping someone to learn how to get better.
@@watchrepairtutorials Alex you have a program for more in depth teaching right? Can you link it for me?
@@tobiasdecker884 Here you go man,
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Hi Alex can you tell me the best method for polishing the oilers etc please?.
I use a rotary tool with a hard felt pad charged with Polinum Then you just touch the tip of the oiler to the spinning pad. It doesn't take much.
Thanks Alex
Alex, love the video. Thanks for educating the watch community..
Always! Than you my friend
Thank you Alex. Great video. How does the jewel become that far out of adjustment or was it just bad QC from the factory? Thanks again
Not at all. Someone was fiddling around in there and didn’t understand what they were trying to do. Thanks John
Your detailed, practical explanations are invaluable! You'd be proud of me. I managed to get the entire practice ST36 disassembled, cleaned, reassembled and lubricated, albeit with 1800 and molykote. But I've learned a ton already, thanks to you! I don't do patreon, I just don't like that such a chunk goes to them, but if you have a paypal or a venmo I'd be happy to send you something. The lessons are certainly valuable to me, and I'm taking it seriously. Again, thank you!
Yea man, I love hearing these stories. This is the type of feedback that makes me smile and feel like I'm getting something done.
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Hey Alex, another fantastic video. Your content continues to be some of the most informative out there so thank you.
Is there any chance you have a tutorial on crystal/crystal gasket sizing in your future videos? I always seem to have trouble determining the proper crystal/gasket sizing combination (especially when a watch you get has a broken/missing crystal) and was wondering if you have any tips.
Coming soon Al
Excellent video. Thanks Alex.
I appreciate you checking out all my work
Given you’re in the States, you should be asleep!
Is that green device on top of your wooden tool box made by Mauser? And what do you use it for?
I think I have one just like it.
I think you are talking about the stand I use to hold my digital micrometer. No its a cheap Chinese one.
Your methods and direct approach are commendable! Pointing out all the time what our skills limitations could or should be and the implications they can bring on talking upon certain jobs, that’s priceless! Love the way you recommend what and which tools or movements we can use for specific levels/steps of our learning curve is something I really haven’t seen on any other channel, as they seen more interested in showing off their own skills instead. This is also clear by the way you mostly teach during videos and visual examples come AFTER explained but mostly you develop a rapport and interaction with US to assure we absorb the core of the subject! Thank you!
Edison, thank you. I am just paying forward some things I learned from all the great watchmakers i worked with.
Great video Alex. Did you have to file the Guard Pin as it was touching the crescent of the Safety Roller? Love your work!!
No, the lack of slide in the exit stone was causing the fault. Once that was corrected the guard pin moved away from the roller
Fantastic video, thanks Alex. I’ll check out the advanced vids you mention as well. The way way you explain and deliver the knowledge is a talent in itself
Hey Keve, thank you so much. I am kinda finding my voice and getting a little more comfortable talking to a camera.
Informative , logical and well presented. Thank you
You are welcome!
Wow! Very technical stuff. Thanks for posting!
Thanks as always Walther. 👍
Great video, thanks. I wish I had the skills needed to make the adjustments that this diagnostic so clearly explains :)
Thanks JAy,
Its not hard. It just takes practice, magnification and the ability to measure it.
Very interesting, a couple of new checks to add to my routine! What did you do to increase the distance between the guard pin and the safety roller? Thanks
I moved the exit stone out so the tooth sat on the stone the same distance as the entry side.
Great video again! Adjusting pallet stones is a bit above my pay grade but i would love a video on how to polish cases and other parts.
Great suggestion Olof,> I have some polishing videos in the que
Always informative. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
This is an awesome video, I will be back many times to review this information.
Thank you D. I am working soon another troubleshooting video and plan on doing many more.
Bedankt
je bent welkom vriend
Great photography and video for demonstration.
Many thanks Nathan
A stunning video, one I will watch more than a few times.
Glad to hear that Jon. Keep at it. The escapement is the money in watchmaking and being able to work on it is what keeps a movement out of the non running box.😊
Again, a very informative video. Thank you!
My pleasure my man. Always great to hear from you in the comments.
Thanks for another great video!! I learned a lot.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome thanks
Thank you my friend
@@watchrepairtutorials could i ask, is it an option when the hair spring is held with a pin to move the hair spring in or out to correct the beat error as an alternative to moving the collet? Thx
Still no notification from u-tube. Found this one by accident. Thank you, Alex, great lesson.
Are you talking about the Notification Bell? You are not getting a notification?
@@watchrepairtutorials I have the bell on, but it does not notify me when new videos are out. I have to go to your page to see if there is a new video out.
@@kyproset Sorry My friend, I don't know how to fix that
What is the cause of the 9.9ms error? :(😢
Are you asking what can cause a beat error or 9.9 ms? What type of movement is it?
@@watchrepairtutorialsWhere can I find your pallet repair parts? Thank you!
@@watchrepairtutorialsIt's an Orient Automatic machine. When I adjust my hair in and out many times, it causes an error. I don't know how to fix it :(
@@LeGiaWatchService which parts specifically?
@@watchrepairtutorials hairspring and balance wheel
Good timing with the video Alex. I just bought a weishi 1900.
Very nice. Don’t let it hurt your feelings, OK ✅
@@watchrepairtutorials ha ha i took your advice and let it run for at least 30 seconds before i even look at the graph.
@@bolgerguide Give it 1 minute before . I usually wait until 6 rates have cycled
Wow! Another very interesting video Alex. A plea from me though is please don’t go down the “shorts “ route. I don’t understand UA-cam with their obsession to turn all channels into TikTok channels. Sorry I can’t support on patreon, only on a small military pension here and any spare pennies go to watchmaking tools and such.
I am just seeing if I can get some additional exposure and maybe grown a little.
It’s just clips from the regular video I released and I will not be making them on their own.
Thanks for responding Alex, not hitting you sir at all. I appreciate what you’re doing. I know that on forums I am on your channel is cited often by myself and many others, you will get the growth, I am sure.
@@tomholloway7566 You can't really teach anything on a short as far as watch repair is concerned. It' all marking. Thanks Tom, I appreciate you and your feedback
@@watchrepairtutorials one thing, Alex, and maybe you already did this, but in the short be sure you put a link to the full video in both the description and in a pinned comment. Converting is hard, but if the short is compelling as a teaser, it should get some traffic pushed to the main video.
@@soundmindtv2911 Wow I didn't know that so thank you.
Leaving aside the amplitude of the balance wheel, which can be solved with a new spring. The result is really good, there are no stray tics, stability in various positions. Making a translation of a Spanish proverb: "You are handsome and with money, what else do you want, honey?"
I love it man.
Just remember Sergi, There are a lot of things starting from the mainspring barrel through the power train wheels that can also cause loss of amplitude. A new mainspring will certainly help, but that's not always the case.
And thank you.
is this video slowed down?
nevermind it was my settings
I just talk slow