Here a hit on buying parts in chain , have Your supplier take a picture in the crate of what they send you Right before it ships. I have been dealing with China for 30 years.This helps a lot.
@@wobblysauce If you end of selling to any government agency in US or Canada you will need to supply chain cert for non conflict materials, etc. ISO9001 lead auditor
7:06 "That ain't goin anywhere" is a time honored tradition. I put a new handrail on the stairs for my mom a couple days ago and gave it the old "that ain't goin anywhere".
I love the aesthetics of a 50+ year old truck not only working faithfully for its first owner throughout his life but continuing to work on building the truck of the future.
@@Sohave (55 years from now) The year 2079. Trucker with muddy boots and canadian accent "So this old truck, she's a beauty ay. She was truck 2 of the first 5 Edison production trucks. The old Cat C9 got tired so we replaced her with one of them new 20 kilogram Mr Fusion generators. Produces 1.21 Jiga-watts. Plenty of room to spare. The batteries dont care where the power comes from. Still has the original wigwag. Used her to pickup the Anti Grav units for some robot hay bailers.
Wait. Hold the front door. Is that a concrete floor I see. You guys are legit now. Whats next, insulated walls and a solar roof. Next we are going to see you in mechanics overalls or even worse a blue plaid business suit.
Dang it. It was just the inspection station, not the tent at your parent’s house. When you upgrade to a concrete pad, get decadent and go with in floor heating. If you are going to lie on your back on the ground, might as well be comfy.
@@wild_lee_coyote actually, in floor heating would kinda make sense, it doesn't require closed doors and it heats the first 5 feet from the ground not the whole room
Terrace blocked us from moving there. We have an offer on a new shop but aren’t saying any details until it’s finalized. We only have until Nov 15th to raise the investment money though
In Germany we take the practice of securing our load seriously. A "that ain't goin nowhere" won't suffice. We instead have the time-honoured "wo soll's denn hin?" meaning "where is it gonna go?" prompting an affirmative response from a co-worker for confirmation of it not going anywhere.
If Edison can just double the production annually, then in 10 years Edison will be making 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512 vehicles. Like a penny doubled every day for a month.
Right! Being able to leverage debt is great, but it should be saved for practically guaranteed returns. Them avoiding it as much as possible and focusing on exploring the unknown gotchas seems very responsible to me.
I completely agree with your philosophy about planned obsolescence and serviceability, it makes so much more sense than keep buying new all the time. Love the front end of Topsy, great driver visibility out the cab and for the mirrors plus rugged fenders to stand on for any servicing of the motor.
This is one of the things that sets a dystopic future apart from a great and prosperous future. The more our life is filled with technology the more important it is that we continue to rule over the technology rather than become exploited by large cooperation's through the replacement and repair of said technology.
Many of us purchasing devices and machines would tend to agree with that. Business producing them for whatever reason all usually want to tow the line of not caring or making serviceability worse while denying that they're intentionally doing it. The only hope for Edison is for Chace to stay in control and keep that mandate after they get big. Actually changing the culture though is not a problem that can be handled by one man, or by one company, or by one competitor.
14:10 Wheel Slip; ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Retired Trucker here(Canadian) I used to ARGUE with companies i worked for about Traction Control a LOT(and turned it off for safety when I drove) as the ABS functionality on Semi's was WAY to slow to react most times in winter conditions. I could NOT apply the power/brakes where/when needed due to what your saying! BRILLIANT Deduction. DAM if there was ONLY a guy like you around in my driving days to point this out to some people back then!
The ABS on commercial trucks are now working great. The only downside I have seen is backing down an icy hill in winter, as the engine brake seems to get disrupted by a manually applied trailer brake and not engage. The traction control well….thank the gods we can still turn that off, but you are not able to turn off stability control,which seems to work ok and brakes the inside wheel on very aggressive driving around tight corners, but not slow you down enough to blow making an important hill. I operate off road daily and immediately turn off traction control as soon as the wheels hit gravel. The new ABS on slippery days make driving in traffic much easier, not letting an empty or lightly loaded trailer sliding into the other lane on braking and I can slam the brakes fully on to avoid critters which seem to have a aversion to jumping in front of me quite often.
I like the look, the aesthetic, of having the mirrors hang from the roof. However I understand the impracticality of having mirrors you can't see out of.
Yipee, parts are here! Now we can build some trucks! This is a historic moment the true story of EDISON MOTORS starts with the First truck for a customer - here it is! Well done guys, Rich loves a challenge and fitting than "wrong" axle, won't bother him just present different challenges. It is information about how and how not to fit it, but gives options for someone else who might want that setup! All failures are learning experiences, that is the way to learn how to! Great news, go for it. From UK.
Random suggestion for the electrical box : Consider putting some moisture absorbing material like those silica pouches that come in shipping packages. Maybe a little compartment that can be easily opened to swap the pouch out. Corrosion is a killer that can create connection points between parts that are not supposed to be connected. Especially on PCB boards that have components spaced too closely together
To add to this: make the box perfectly sealed and have those silica packets put in the box to wick any residual moisture from the air within the box. This would prevent the need to replace the packets.
@@trulyinfamous *Puts thermoelectric generator on engine to collect waste heat to run a pump that is sync with engine to pump exhaust through water to capture all CO2 to feed Algae to produce more fuel from* F electric..
@@MrQuick999 WTF it's not about CO2. It's about POWER and Toughness. Small turbo diesel engines burning Algae Bio Diesel driving the wheels is just weak, slow and fragile. Stick with a petrol engine as a generator.
I really love your passion and vision of bringing back those values. I share that attitude and feel that the same approach needs to be brought to our entire society. It is better for people and better for the environment.
Wow. I’m so elated to see you guys are so much slower to getting trucks out to customers. Everything you’ve said since day one has made sense to me. Love to see it.
I think the biggest issue you will run into with the electronics, like the 3/4 in 1 is that the individual modules inside will change as your supplier redesigns their assembly. This is a common issue with CNC machines, you find out the VFD is no longer available and so you have to buy a whole new $$$$ VFD with perhaps a retrofit kit. It's because the upstream supplier no longer has part available. The only way to combat this is to create interchangeable modules and control the design spec for those interfaces yourself. If you design the physical and electrical layout for those modules, open source the design, then have your suppliers stick to that, then you have repairability and longevity. When you want to add new features, add another harness connector to the layout, but make the new modules backwards compatible.
I'm sure they are aware of the supplier problem but that is a down the road step. Way to much manpower needed to achieve that with the current team. I do think the open source design is a great idea as well.
On the serviceability of the 3 or 4 in 1. Having space in the box isn't a negative. It means you can use larger through hole & higher service rated components on the individual boards. Aside from having the space to work for those who aren't blessed with 20\20 vision. You're not building a race-car, it doesn't need to be SMD and micro devices. That would actually be against your philosophy. I can fit most of that box with a DMM, soldering iron and maybe a mag-glass. Not an oscilloscope and a re-flow station.
SMD with legs and larger than 0603 are quite easy to work with. Just need tweezers, solder wick, and a great temp controlled iron. I've pulled chips one lead at a time and populated 200-300 part boards in a day. Unfortunately a fewer and fewer parts are available through hole these days. And through-hole isn't always higher reliability. Better use of any extra space is indicator LED's. TONS of them, on every logic signal slow enough to see by eye. A Forrest of blinking lights dramatically speeds up trouble-shooting. Oh and a CYA connector is a life saver. It routes all the un-used pins on the micro-controller or other high value chips to one easy to connect spot. Great for debug signals and testing new features and fixes.
Imo SMD components with legs are EASIER to solder and desolder than THT components. Every time I have to work on old THT stuff Its 30min to 1h to desolder a component vs 5min for any SMD component. I use a cheap microscope on both SMD and THT because my vision is quite bad and I use hot air most of the time but you have to have decent quality tools for any job. I wouldn't pull apart an engine with only a pair of pliers (instead of a socket set) and I wouldn't fix try to fix a pcb with a $5 soldering iron.
A lot of microcontrollers and ICs simply don't get made in THT packages, and for good reason. Not only is it far better for automated assembly, it also saves weight and makes PCB design easier.
@@martylawson1638 "And through-hole isn't always higher reliability." This is especially true in any kind of high vibration environment like automotive. The lower the component mass and closer mounted to the board the better I've seen resistors crack from these kinds of environments and they're a b***h to track down. SMD for the win
Looking good guys. Building customer trucks is a huge step! I love the individual motor for each hub. Having that allows so many customization options. On the straps, two things Chase showed but didnt mention. Notice the extra length Chase created before inserting the strap in the winch, that is required to ensure you get a full 3 wraps around the rachet. Any less than 3 full wraps is not secured and can get you a ticket. The other note is the extra length folded into a pinch point is also a safety feature. If you look back and see a strap end flapping in the wind you know something has come loose.
I got to see topsy in person and shake chase's hand in my home town cambridge ontario at the omniflex event. ill never forget it. Hopefully one day soon i can call deboss garage to retrofit my pickup with e-axles.
Thank you for sharing that about the cinches! I am exactly the same way! I always put my load binders to the passenger side and so many people haven't ever even thought about it!
Great camera work again ! 😮 Loved the road run in ole Blue. Great news on the part arrivals. Time to build another AMAZING truck with new and improved designs 😊 Keep it up Edison 🎉 CEO Chase and team for the win 🏆 👍
Great video. A few questions/ideas. #1 For the tri axle setup could could set it up so when empty have the leading rear axle lift up of the ground. With no drive shafts to worry about it could be just setting up the programming to do it. #2 When the new pickip truck axles arrive will they have disc brakes instead of the current drum brakes. #3 What diesels will you be using. Can't wait to see the new trucks come together
That small truck axle should make a narrow track truck. Chevy made a very few in the late 80's. They were 1ton dulles but they fit under a standard width service body. That would be a great project
Glad to see progress, looking great. Hey Chase, you need to build some privacy walls around that company toilet. Or at the very least, hang some tarp! Someone may walk by when in use and end up with a nasty visual embedded in memory that they will never be able to erase LOL BTW thanks for the tips on the straps, I will certainly use them!
Hey I liked that shot of the frame rail load. Is a reverse \ load camera a standard feature? I mean as far as Canadian law it's a requirement for passenger vehicles, but having a load cam for flat decker's or reverse cam for vocational applications would be sick.
Thanks for the like.An inbuilt optional video input on one of the screens would be clutch. hdmi output backup cameras are 50$ cad. My 24’ outback has a roof mounted cam for the rear view mirror. I’ve used it so many times to keep and eye on my flat deck loads..
Down the road would love to see Chase build a Ford Ranger... old style compact... pickup. Can't get a small practical sized reliable pickup anymore. Perfect size for a lot of small jobbers and off-roaders.
@@logtolum sadly there is a lot more safety regulations to building a small compact truck than a big rig. That being said with the reduced emissions of a diesel electric truck I would love to see a small compact truck make a comeback.
Also puts them ahead of the game if they make an AWD version, the circuitry and logic is already setup for one motor per wheel which is ideal for a front axle.
Years ago, some of us discussed the diesel/electric 18 wheeler. We talked about hub motors, each wheel had it's own electric motor. That would include the trailer wheels. Traction control would have been handled through regen, like you said, and if the trailer wheels could be manipulated correctly, it could prevent a jack knife accident. This has been an amazing journey watching you guys build these trucks!!
After watching the development of this company and its products over the past few years seeing everything come together like this is dang near enough to bring a tear to your eye. I really hope you get that new shop. Y'all are doin' great things and deserve a nice place to assemble those trucks.
So damn excited for this update. I work for KW Div on the Field Service side. My bucket list includes coming to visit you.and sit in Topsy! Keep up the great work!
Forklift or a yard crane/telehandler (see Cutting Edge Engineering's videos over in Queensland). Sealey and others do some small (and cheap) manual gantry cranes which would help a lot, but you can pickup a used telehandler fairly cheaply
@@miscbits6399 I love Cutting Edge Engineering’s channel! I watch every Friday morning while drinking my coffee before heading to work. Do the guys have enough room for a Telehandler? Looked kinda close quarters to me that’s why I said forklift…but something would be better than nothing.
To be honest, I got ridiculously excited for the shorter EAxle Especially when you mentioned it fitting in a LandCruiser I know I would absolutely love a set in my 07 FJ That’d be a dream come true
Im not a fan of electric stuff. But this application just makes sense. Trains have been doing it for ages, make energy with a diesel engine, cool engineering shit happens, turn and electric motor. The immense range of Diesel, but the insane torque of angry electrons. Also the zero BS design and focus on support. You truly are the spiritual successor to Pacific. Reminds me alot of a wheel loader company here in Sweden, they don't make the wildest loaders, they don't make fanciest loaders, and Volvos production numbers run circles around them in orders of magnitude. But they build them sturdy, they build them for the customer, and damn if they hold on to good designs. And much like Pacific the name of the rig tells you exactly what it is, L (think it stands for Loader) followed by a number designating weight.
Ideas!, 1. loose the mirroes...go Cams! 2. hey with the free wheeling tow mode jiggers, ypu could also use that to free wheel under light loads to gain efficiency but not having to spin the dead weight of a motor 3. with centre steering great for RH and LFD markets...
Great video, I watch em all! On the 1/2 ton axle, I really hate low mounted steering bar's. Can that be flipped to prevent bending on impact? I've hit a tree stump and bent it so bad the tow in blew my tires getting home.
Second time watching your video and I must say you guys are doing great, inspiring, truthful hard work, here is wishing you all the best and some more, off to watch another video.
That sounds like an amazing improvement in the design of the axle and it'll make the driving experience much better. The next big thing will be finding a way to design a modular battery pack so owners can bring their trucks back in after 10 years or so and the battery mounts and hookups are all in the same locations so you can quickly swap a battery pack out for a fresh one and send the old cells off for recycling. All batteries can be recycled, it's just with varying degrees of efficiency and waste byproduct, but you still get to reclaim the vast majority of the mineral resources from batteries and, much like aluminum recycling, it's still cheaper and more efficient than ore extraction. I'm not sure if you've already addressed it in other videos, but since you're dabbling in building your own cabs as well, I'd recommend using double-glazed glass with a UV blocking layer on the back side of the outer pane. It'll help prevent the sun from aging the driver so dramatically and reduce the risk of skin cancer. Maybe you could salvage the narrower than anticipated truck axle by EV-converting the Ford Ranger that you use as a company vehicle? It would still add to the cost, since you'd also need batteries, BCU, charging circuit, etc., but you'd at least have another demonstrator.
Edison will be the proper reset. Back to good value for money , longevity, right to repair..... You will undercut them all and they will have to come back to you to compete. Honour to the past owner ..... I am so proud of you guys.
This is AWESOME! I can't wait to see what you guys can do for medium duty pickups for welding, and pipeline rigs that can run off the generator and auxiliary plugs in the truck for grinders, lights, charging batteries for cordless tools, ect, ect, and I'm sure others can give them tons of ideas to make the ultimate outfit to fit any needs!
This semi axle would be perfect for a pintle trailer behind my M939, I just need to figure out how to mount them to a walking beam/trunnion design suspension. More than once I’ve driven my 40k lb truck hauling water down AZ washes with boulders that fully extend my walking beam suspension on the truck. As a result, when this truck fully converted to RV I want to pull a trailer than can assist in traction in those sketchy muddy times as well as assist in regen braking on the highway.
Might be overkill, but it would be nice to have a set of internal forks or some sort of pin to ensure the axles stay in tow mode, in case one of the tow mode motors fail, or you lose air pressure.
Good Day Gentlemen, in Lynden Washington there is a guy with about 15 or more Cabover and older trucks just sitting, some under cover that could use some electrified loven. Just off Meridian and Badger. Just letting you know. I love to see repurpossing of our natural long lasting materials.
There is something noble about a vehicle working hard and doing its job. Its living up to its purpose. When a vehicle gets crippled and parked out back, then its not living up to its potential. Man, I imagine there are thousands of class 5,6,7,8 trucks in fields out there that can be re-powered and get back to being the workhorses we need.
Couldn't really tell from the video, but you should consider getting the conformal coating on the electronics inside your 4-in-1. It's a rubberized coating that protects against the harmful environmental conditions i.e. moisture, static, vibration and contamination. Good luck and keep up the good work!
Do as Bob did. Don't ever get rid of Topsy 1.0. I'd like to see a story 10 years from now. It's ups and downs, parts list, how reliable the first version ended up being. Versus the newest best version. You guys are doing an amazing job. You're keeping the interest how many drivers around the world. I'm on the prefers the older more reliable trucks.
I was really hoping to get one of these trucks and put an old KW sleeper on it, but I had to stop trucking (doctor’s orders). Can't wait to see how these trucks turn out!
love this man, this is the way R&D should be done! i really hope that this company will be the spark that helps to bring manufacturing back to North America. i gotta say i hate to see Chinese axles and motors on the truck but i understand that youre trying your best to make this thing happen and you had to go with the company that would work with you.. keep up the great work!!
They literally aren’t available for sale manufactured in North America. Even the North American companies all use China. The pickup axles are Dana axles, but still made in China. We need to bring innovation and manufacturing back here quick
So, just out of curiosity, what kind of fuel mileage are you seeing out of Topsy in these early days? I know that it was a fairly light load going to DeBoss, but I am particularly interested in that trip's mileage, as well as the log loads that you recently shared with us. I'm very excited to see you going on the next 2 trucks!!! Thank you for bringing us along for the ride!!! It's been a fun one thus far!
A lot of that crap is pushed by legislation (safety/enviro) which has been pushed by parts co lobbying to govs. The old k.i.s.s still makes total sense.
I'd like to see this :) It will eventually happen. I think that before this happens, Chase needs to do some runs on the highway with no training wheel backup support vehicles first. That will be a milestone all by itself.
Damn, I never thought I'd be excited about watching an axle delivery video at 8am on a Saturday morning, but here here we are.
Same! When you have innovation like this how can you not!?
WOW, Edison Motors has gone into Commercial Truck Production! That alone is a HUGE Leap for any Company to be coming out of R&D and into Production!
Monday morning for me LOL
@@arcticfox1402 yup
The first eaxle is "CDTL", CDTL is a leading supplier of epowertrain for CVs
Here a hit on buying parts in chain , have Your supplier take a picture in the crate of what they send you Right before it ships. I have been dealing with China for 30 years.This helps a lot.
Not just China... it is a good QC step.
@@wobblysauce If you end of selling to any government agency in US or Canada you will need to supply chain cert for non conflict materials, etc. ISO9001 lead auditor
We take photos of the inside of the box on everything we ship out of my work.
7:06 "That ain't goin anywhere" is a time honored tradition. I put a new handrail on the stairs for my mom a couple days ago and gave it the old "that ain't goin anywhere".
I love the aesthetics of a 50+ year old truck not only working faithfully for its first owner throughout his life but continuing to work on building the truck of the future.
Would have figured when they made this truck it would still be hauling parts for a new hybrid truck 55 years later
@@EdisonMotors Makes one think of what a Topsy would be used for half a century into the future.
Keep trucking and keep building you guys!
@@Sohave (55 years from now) The year 2079. Trucker with muddy boots and canadian accent "So this old truck, she's a beauty ay. She was truck 2 of the first 5 Edison production trucks. The old Cat C9 got tired so we replaced her with one of them new 20 kilogram Mr Fusion generators. Produces 1.21 Jiga-watts. Plenty of room to spare. The batteries dont care where the power comes from. Still has the original wigwag. Used her to pickup the Anti Grav units for some robot hay bailers.
@Sah-o5m 😂😂😂 yep thats the way
That's how I feel when I use my 1943 war vet lathe. I wonder if it's assemblers, now all dead, expected it to still be turning 83 years later.
Wait. Hold the front door. Is that a concrete floor I see. You guys are legit now. Whats next, insulated walls and a solar roof. Next we are going to see you in mechanics overalls or even worse a blue plaid business suit.
Dang it. It was just the inspection station, not the tent at your parent’s house. When you upgrade to a concrete pad, get decadent and go with in floor heating. If you are going to lie on your back on the ground, might as well be comfy.
@@wild_lee_coyote actually, in floor heating would kinda make sense, it doesn't require closed doors and it heats the first 5 feet from the ground not the whole room
We’re just borrowing Emcon’s shop because we’re out of room in our tent already
@@EdisonMotorsany plans to expand currently? (shop wise)
Terrace blocked us from moving there.
We have an offer on a new shop but aren’t saying any details until it’s finalized.
We only have until Nov 15th to raise the investment money though
I love how fast the driver came with the correction "03' like you were insulting his truck LOL.
In Germany we take the practice of securing our load seriously. A "that ain't goin nowhere" won't suffice.
We instead have the time-honoured "wo soll's denn hin?" meaning "where is it gonna go?" prompting an affirmative response from a co-worker for confirmation of it not going anywhere.
LOL! 😆
*laughs in maniacal german*
I wish MAHA believed in that. But besides that they're brake machines are MINT!!! 😂❤🎉
Peg for Governor!!!!
You’re scaling appropriately, you don’t want to get under too much debt and that’s smart as hell; I love watching your progress.
If Edison can just double the production annually, then in 10 years Edison will be making 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512 vehicles. Like a penny doubled every day for a month.
Right! Being able to leverage debt is great, but it should be saved for practically guaranteed returns. Them avoiding it as much as possible and focusing on exploring the unknown gotchas seems very responsible to me.
I completely agree with your philosophy about planned obsolescence and serviceability, it makes so much more sense than keep buying new all the time. Love the front end of Topsy, great driver visibility out the cab and for the mirrors plus rugged fenders to stand on for any servicing of the motor.
This is one of the things that sets a dystopic future apart from a great and prosperous future. The more our life is filled with technology the more important it is that we continue to rule over the technology rather than become exploited by large cooperation's through the replacement and repair of said technology.
Many of us purchasing devices and machines would tend to agree with that. Business producing them for whatever reason all usually want to tow the line of not caring or making serviceability worse while denying that they're intentionally doing it. The only hope for Edison is for Chace to stay in control and keep that mandate after they get big. Actually changing the culture though is not a problem that can be handled by one man, or by one company, or by one competitor.
That’s a nice 03 ranger that you get driven around in by your personal driver
Exactly. I get chauffeured in the back now. CEO privilege right there
@@EdisonMotors Seems like you already got a donor truck for those ranger sized axles!
14:10 Wheel Slip; ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Retired Trucker here(Canadian) I used to ARGUE with companies i worked for about Traction Control a LOT(and turned it off for safety when I drove) as the ABS functionality on Semi's was WAY to slow to react most times in winter conditions. I could NOT apply the power/brakes where/when needed due to what your saying! BRILLIANT Deduction. DAM if there was ONLY a guy like you around in my driving days to point this out to some people back then!
The ABS on commercial trucks are now working great.
The only downside I have seen is backing down an icy hill in winter, as the engine brake seems to get disrupted by a manually applied trailer brake and not engage.
The traction control well….thank the gods we can still turn that off, but you are not able to turn off stability control,which seems to work ok and brakes the inside wheel on very aggressive driving around tight corners, but not slow you down enough to blow making an important hill.
I operate off road daily and immediately turn off traction control as soon as the wheels hit gravel.
The new ABS on slippery days make driving in traffic much easier, not letting an empty or lightly loaded trailer sliding into the other lane on braking and I can slam the brakes fully on to avoid critters which seem to have a aversion to jumping in front of me quite often.
Doood - you're building trucks for customers! SOOO AWESOME!
It’s a huge step. Actually building a customer trucks is huge
Shout out to all the Bobs out there keeping it real.
Every good dude needs a good "Bob"
2:40 accidentally revealed the CEO's luxury personal bathroom accomodations in the background there.
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We talking about the tire?
@@Crazy_stuff1377 no there's a toilet back there
I like the look, the aesthetic, of having the mirrors hang from the roof. However I understand the impracticality of having mirrors you can't see out of.
Tizz a thing of beauty. It gets better and better. Amazing what a truck driver can do with sharp crayons. Congratulations !!!!🍾🎊🎉
As a tow man I have to say thanks for getting a tow mode. That is absolutely incredible
Yipee, parts are here! Now we can build some trucks! This is a historic moment the true story of EDISON MOTORS starts with the First truck for a customer - here it is! Well done guys, Rich loves a challenge and fitting than "wrong" axle, won't bother him just present different challenges. It is information about how and how not to fit it, but gives options for someone else who might want that setup! All failures are learning experiences, that is the way to learn how to! Great news, go for it. From UK.
Why ?
It’s a huge step to actually build a customers truck
Random suggestion for the electrical box : Consider putting some moisture absorbing material like those silica pouches that come in shipping packages. Maybe a little compartment that can be easily opened to swap the pouch out.
Corrosion is a killer that can create connection points between parts that are not supposed to be connected. Especially on PCB boards that have components spaced too closely together
To add to this: make the box perfectly sealed and have those silica packets put in the box to wick any residual moisture from the air within the box. This would prevent the need to replace the packets.
@17:46 ELECTRIC FORD RANGER LETS GOOOO
Why electric? A Ford ranger can nearly run on farts in the tank.
@@MrQuick999But... Electric Ford Ranger.
@@trulyinfamous *Puts thermoelectric generator on engine to collect waste heat to run a pump that is sync with engine to pump exhaust through water to capture all CO2 to feed Algae to produce more fuel from* F electric..
@@MrQuick999 WTF it's not about CO2. It's about POWER and Toughness. Small turbo diesel engines burning Algae Bio Diesel driving the wheels is just weak, slow and fragile. Stick with a petrol engine as a generator.
@@Neojhun Crude for normal engines is naturally processed Algae. "Weak" They're ordering parts from China, stfu defect.
I really love your passion and vision of bringing back those values. I share that attitude and feel that the same approach needs to be brought to our entire society. It is better for people and better for the environment.
Wow. I’m so elated to see you guys are so much slower to getting trucks out to customers. Everything you’ve said since day one has made sense to me. Love to see it.
this is a very exiting process to watch... gret to see small scale development thrive like this
Camera team putting in the work to make the videos look like Edgar Wright movies. We see you!
I think the biggest issue you will run into with the electronics, like the 3/4 in 1 is that the individual modules inside will change as your supplier redesigns their assembly. This is a common issue with CNC machines, you find out the VFD is no longer available and so you have to buy a whole new $$$$ VFD with perhaps a retrofit kit. It's because the upstream supplier no longer has part available. The only way to combat this is to create interchangeable modules and control the design spec for those interfaces yourself. If you design the physical and electrical layout for those modules, open source the design, then have your suppliers stick to that, then you have repairability and longevity. When you want to add new features, add another harness connector to the layout, but make the new modules backwards compatible.
I'm sure they are aware of the supplier problem but that is a down the road step. Way to much manpower needed to achieve that with the current team. I do think the open source design is a great idea as well.
I'm excited for you guys! Can't wait to see these things everywhere!!
On the serviceability of the 3 or 4 in 1. Having space in the box isn't a negative. It means you can use larger through hole & higher service rated components on the individual boards. Aside from having the space to work for those who aren't blessed with 20\20 vision. You're not building a race-car, it doesn't need to be SMD and micro devices. That would actually be against your philosophy. I can fit most of that box with a DMM, soldering iron and maybe a mag-glass. Not an oscilloscope and a re-flow station.
SMD with legs and larger than 0603 are quite easy to work with. Just need tweezers, solder wick, and a great temp controlled iron. I've pulled chips one lead at a time and populated 200-300 part boards in a day. Unfortunately a fewer and fewer parts are available through hole these days. And through-hole isn't always higher reliability.
Better use of any extra space is indicator LED's. TONS of them, on every logic signal slow enough to see by eye. A Forrest of blinking lights dramatically speeds up trouble-shooting. Oh and a CYA connector is a life saver. It routes all the un-used pins on the micro-controller or other high value chips to one easy to connect spot. Great for debug signals and testing new features and fixes.
Imo SMD components with legs are EASIER to solder and desolder than THT components. Every time I have to work on old THT stuff Its 30min to 1h to desolder a component vs 5min for any SMD component.
I use a cheap microscope on both SMD and THT because my vision is quite bad and I use hot air most of the time but you have to have decent quality tools for any job. I wouldn't pull apart an engine with only a pair of pliers (instead of a socket set) and I wouldn't fix try to fix a pcb with a $5 soldering iron.
A lot of microcontrollers and ICs simply don't get made in THT packages, and for good reason. Not only is it far better for automated assembly, it also saves weight and makes PCB design easier.
@@martylawson1638 "And through-hole isn't always higher reliability." This is especially true in any kind of high vibration environment like automotive. The lower the component mass and closer mounted to the board the better
I've seen resistors crack from these kinds of environments and they're a b***h to track down. SMD for the win
I would love an in-depth video on the generator AC motor and the 4-in-1 :D
Looking good guys. Building customer trucks is a huge step!
I love the individual motor for each hub. Having that allows so many customization options.
On the straps, two things Chase showed but didnt mention. Notice the extra length Chase created before inserting the strap in the winch, that is required to ensure you get a full 3 wraps around the rachet. Any less than 3 full wraps is not secured and can get you a ticket.
The other note is the extra length folded into a pinch point is also a safety feature. If you look back and see a strap end flapping in the wind you know something has come loose.
I got to see topsy in person and shake chase's hand in my home town cambridge ontario at the omniflex event. ill never forget it. Hopefully one day soon i can call deboss garage to retrofit my pickup with e-axles.
I want Topsy and the Ram-Re-Charger to go on a vacation tour across the USA with stops every few days. Help get the word out.
Thank you for sharing that about the cinches! I am exactly the same way! I always put my load binders to the passenger side and so many people haven't ever even thought about it!
Great camera work again ! 😮 Loved the road run in ole Blue. Great news on the part arrivals.
Time to build another AMAZING truck with new and improved designs 😊
Keep it up Edison 🎉
CEO Chase and team for the win 🏆
👍
Great video. A few questions/ideas.
#1 For the tri axle setup could could set it up so when empty have the leading rear axle lift up of the ground. With no drive shafts to worry about it could be just setting up the programming to do it.
#2 When the new pickip truck axles arrive will they have disc brakes instead of the current drum brakes.
#3 What diesels will you be using.
Can't wait to see the new trucks come together
You should do a video with Sparks Motors.... That would be a great Promo for you.
"03!" "... 03, sooory." lmao. He set you straight quick, didn't he? :) :)
That small truck axle should make a narrow track truck. Chevy made a very few in the late 80's. They were 1ton dulles but they fit under a standard width service body.
That would be a great project
I still love that the prototype had the most brutal setup.
If it survives, the production surely will. And will be comfortable too
Glad to see progress, looking great. Hey Chase, you need to build some privacy walls around that company toilet. Or at the very least, hang some tarp! Someone may walk by when in use and end up with a nasty visual embedded in memory that they will never be able to erase LOL BTW thanks for the tips on the straps, I will certainly use them!
I love what you are doing, ignore the haters. You are awesome! Keep up the good work! From New Brunswick!
Hey I liked that shot of the frame rail load. Is a reverse \ load camera a standard feature? I mean as far as Canadian law it's a requirement for passenger vehicles, but having a load cam for flat decker's or reverse cam for vocational applications would be sick.
It’s not a law here, I just threw a GoPro up in the headache rack.
-Theron
It is a nice Modcon.
Thanks for the like.An inbuilt optional video input on one of the screens would be clutch. hdmi output backup cameras are 50$ cad. My 24’ outback has a roof mounted cam for the rear view mirror. I’ve used it so many times to keep and eye on my flat deck loads..
Chase dunking on other CEOs by riding in a Ford FUCKIN' Ranger!
Yeah, who needs a private jet when you have Ray’s 2004 Ford Ranger
Down the road would love to see Chase build a Ford Ranger... old style compact... pickup. Can't get a small practical sized reliable pickup anymore. Perfect size for a lot of small jobbers and off-roaders.
@@logtolum sadly there is a lot more safety regulations to building a small compact truck than a big rig. That being said with the reduced emissions of a diesel electric truck I would love to see a small compact truck make a comeback.
Cue the Ford fuckin ranger song
Also Chase: Gee, I dunno how we ended up with this Ranger axle… Guess that's on me… 😅
I want your diesel electric kit for my truck excursion so damn bad!
I always liked the 1 motor per wheel approach. These trucks are gonna be really nice in low-traction conditions.
Also puts them ahead of the game if they make an AWD version, the circuitry and logic is already setup for one motor per wheel which is ideal for a front axle.
Years ago, some of us discussed the diesel/electric 18 wheeler. We talked about hub motors, each wheel had it's own electric motor. That would include the trailer wheels. Traction control would have been handled through regen, like you said, and if the trailer wheels could be manipulated correctly, it could prevent a jack knife accident.
This has been an amazing journey watching you guys build these trucks!!
I really admire your grit. bootstrapping this without perfect facilities and equipment is a testament to your ingenuity and passion.
After watching the development of this company and its products over the past few years seeing everything come together like this is dang near enough to bring a tear to your eye. I really hope you get that new shop. Y'all are doin' great things and deserve a nice place to assemble those trucks.
So damn excited for this update.
I work for KW Div on the Field Service side.
My bucket list includes coming to visit you.and sit in Topsy!
Keep up the great work!
7:13 180 degree twist in every strap on each side
good stuff
I love your rants! So much passion and so correct.
Someone send this man a forklift! Keep pushing fellas, can't wait to see what y'all can do! Also it would be wild to see a Land Cruiser build.
I don't have a way to give 10 thumbs up. So 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Forklift or a yard crane/telehandler (see Cutting Edge Engineering's videos over in Queensland). Sealey and others do some small (and cheap) manual gantry cranes which would help a lot, but you can pickup a used telehandler fairly cheaply
@@miscbits6399 I love Cutting Edge Engineering’s channel! I watch every Friday morning while drinking my coffee before heading to work. Do the guys have enough room for a Telehandler? Looked kinda close quarters to me that’s why I said forklift…but something would be better than nothing.
To be honest, I got ridiculously excited for the shorter EAxle
Especially when you mentioned it fitting in a LandCruiser
I know I would absolutely love a set in my 07 FJ
That’d be a dream come true
honestly seeing topsy hauling the beginnings of her 2 sisters is brilliant i love it,
Skid plates on an elecric axle just makes me smile, Chase and the guys staying true to the heavy equipment mentality
Drove through Merritt yesterday and say a prayer for Edison Motors. BC boys makin’ it happen!!
Tell ya truth Chace, your grass roots business model is awesome 👌 this is the way an Official Ceo should travel.....
Honestly: Our country would be a lot better if more CEO’s were willing to ride in the back of a Ford Ranger
@@EdisonMotorsnot to mention our Prime Minister!
Im not a fan of electric stuff.
But this application just makes sense. Trains have been doing it for ages, make energy with a diesel engine, cool engineering shit happens, turn and electric motor.
The immense range of Diesel, but the insane torque of angry electrons. Also the zero BS design and focus on support.
You truly are the spiritual successor to Pacific.
Reminds me alot of a wheel loader company here in Sweden, they don't make the wildest loaders, they don't make fanciest loaders, and Volvos production numbers run circles around them in orders of magnitude. But they build them sturdy, they build them for the customer, and damn if they hold on to good designs.
And much like Pacific the name of the rig tells you exactly what it is, L (think it stands for Loader) followed by a number designating weight.
I love the credit you guys freely give where it's due, it's so clear how much of a collaboration this has to be
WOW Like The New Axles With 2 Moter's.
I truly get excited for you. If I were younger and beginning a trucking career, I'd find away to drive one of your future trucks. Best of luck
I have a full sized school bus that I live in... if you want to do something with that old model of e-axle...
Great to see the progress gents!
This electric axle thing, gives me an idea for something I would love to build.
Putting a twist in the load straps... that's confirmation that the driver knows what he's doing!
Why is that? I've never heard of this.
@@MrTravisDeeth It keeps the straps from vibrating in the wind.
@@tempestmkiv I thought twisting them reduced their load bearing capability?
@@Dappersworth It will if you twist too much but a half twist is all that's needed.
I love the passion this guy has, straight forward explains, etc.
Ideas!,
1. loose the mirroes...go Cams!
2. hey with the free wheeling tow mode jiggers, ypu could also use that to free wheel under light loads to gain efficiency but not having to spin the dead weight of a motor
3. with centre steering great for RH and LFD markets...
This gives me so much hope for the future! What an awesome company!
You better make that tow mode switch impossible to accidentally trigger while driving
That is the sickest electric axel I’ve ever seen 🤘🇨🇦🤘 so badass gents
25:42 short strapping. Somehow i didn't know about this until 10 yrs after i started trucking
Great video, I watch em all! On the 1/2 ton axle, I really hate low mounted steering bar's. Can that be flipped to prevent bending on impact?
I've hit a tree stump and bent it so bad the tow in blew my tires getting home.
We’re changing the pickup truck axle design now to be more like the semi truck’s axle
Second time watching your video and I must say you guys are doing great, inspiring, truthful hard work, here is wishing you all the best and some more, off to watch another video.
That sounds like an amazing improvement in the design of the axle and it'll make the driving experience much better. The next big thing will be finding a way to design a modular battery pack so owners can bring their trucks back in after 10 years or so and the battery mounts and hookups are all in the same locations so you can quickly swap a battery pack out for a fresh one and send the old cells off for recycling. All batteries can be recycled, it's just with varying degrees of efficiency and waste byproduct, but you still get to reclaim the vast majority of the mineral resources from batteries and, much like aluminum recycling, it's still cheaper and more efficient than ore extraction.
I'm not sure if you've already addressed it in other videos, but since you're dabbling in building your own cabs as well, I'd recommend using double-glazed glass with a UV blocking layer on the back side of the outer pane. It'll help prevent the sun from aging the driver so dramatically and reduce the risk of skin cancer.
Maybe you could salvage the narrower than anticipated truck axle by EV-converting the Ford Ranger that you use as a company vehicle? It would still add to the cost, since you'd also need batteries, BCU, charging circuit, etc., but you'd at least have another demonstrator.
You guys are kicking ass and I'm here for it! Really looking forward to further build videos! Cheers!
You could put one of those axles on the traliers if weight lets you and use as a trailer brake also help push thru mud holes
Edison will be the proper reset. Back to good value for money , longevity, right to repair..... You will undercut them all and they will have to come back to you to compete.
Honour to the past owner ..... I am so proud of you guys.
Best thing ever is seeing Topsy helping build out the company
You inspire me to want to go out and make stuff the way it used to be, to start some sort of Canadian-sensible-quality revolution…
This is AWESOME! I can't wait to see what you guys can do for medium duty pickups for welding, and pipeline rigs that can run off the generator and auxiliary plugs in the truck for grinders, lights, charging batteries for cordless tools, ect, ect, and I'm sure others can give them tons of ideas to make the ultimate outfit to fit any needs!
You guys are killing it. I can't wait to get my pick-up kit. I've been talking to anyone who will listen about the conversion.
Congratulations guys. Youve been bustin your asses to get here and its really coming together 🎉
This semi axle would be perfect for a pintle trailer behind my M939, I just need to figure out how to mount them to a walking beam/trunnion design suspension. More than once I’ve driven my 40k lb truck hauling water down AZ washes with boulders that fully extend my walking beam suspension on the truck. As a result, when this truck fully converted to RV I want to pull a trailer than can assist in traction in those sketchy muddy times as well as assist in regen braking on the highway.
18:28 like maybe an ‘02 Ranger? I’m sure you can find one of those pretty close by.
Might be overkill, but it would be nice to have a set of internal forks or some sort of pin to ensure the axles stay in tow mode, in case one of the tow mode motors fail, or you lose air pressure.
Good Day Gentlemen, in Lynden Washington there is a guy with about 15 or more Cabover and older trucks just sitting, some under cover that could use some electrified loven. Just off Meridian and Badger. Just letting you know. I love to see repurpossing of our natural long lasting materials.
There is something noble about a vehicle working hard and doing its job. Its living up to its purpose. When a vehicle gets crippled and parked out back, then its not living up to its potential. Man, I imagine there are thousands of class 5,6,7,8 trucks in fields out there that can be re-powered and get back to being the workhorses we need.
Really cool that you keep bobs truck going
Couldn't really tell from the video, but you should consider getting the conformal coating on the electronics inside your 4-in-1. It's a rubberized coating that protects against the harmful environmental conditions i.e. moisture, static, vibration and contamination. Good luck and keep up the good work!
Do as Bob did. Don't ever get rid of Topsy 1.0. I'd like to see a story 10 years from now. It's ups and downs, parts list, how reliable the first version ended up being. Versus the newest best version. You guys are doing an amazing job. You're keeping the interest how many drivers around the world. I'm on the prefers the older more reliable trucks.
03 Ranger? My Goodness the frivolous spending.😊
Tongue planted firmly in cheek ;)
What a passion and excitement you have for trucking,
😊
This is going to be an amazing year to watch you guys. Well done, says a proud Canadian.
I was really hoping to get one of these trucks and put an old KW sleeper on it, but I had to stop trucking (doctor’s orders). Can't wait to see how these trucks turn out!
love this man, this is the way R&D should be done! i really hope that this company will be the spark that helps to bring manufacturing back to North America. i gotta say i hate to see Chinese axles and motors on the truck but i understand that youre trying your best to make this thing happen and you had to go with the company that would work with you.. keep up the great work!!
They literally aren’t available for sale manufactured in North America.
Even the North American companies all use China. The pickup axles are Dana axles, but still made in China. We need to bring innovation and manufacturing back here quick
@@EdisonMotors USA/CAN needs a law like "30% of everything used here, is made here. Not assembled here". For national security.
So, just out of curiosity, what kind of fuel mileage are you seeing out of Topsy in these early days? I know that it was a fairly light load going to DeBoss, but I am particularly interested in that trip's mileage, as well as the log loads that you recently shared with us. I'm very excited to see you going on the next 2 trucks!!! Thank you for bringing us along for the ride!!! It's been a fun one thus far!
If you are not present in Cna the moment the factory is shipping out your order, expect any misalignment surprises
Totally agree with you on the owner operator repairer concept. Farming is fighting the same fight against JD.
A lot of that crap is pushed by legislation (safety/enviro) which has been pushed by parts co lobbying to govs.
The old k.i.s.s still makes total sense.
I'd recommend getting a large pole barn. They are inexpensive, go up quickly, and can be as large as you need.
They can’t hold up cranes , it’s probably better to wait for a proper building
Good luck, brother
More Forward thinkers like you and somebody will manufacture that axle in the States.
I’ll take that short axle for my Durango! You would have to see it but its project worthy and a great field to get into!
So cool that Topsy is being used as a workhorse for real-world testing!
Next step, loan it to truck driver for a month to haul logs?
I'd like to see this :) It will eventually happen. I think that before this happens, Chase needs to do some runs on the highway with no training wheel backup support vehicles first. That will be a milestone all by itself.
Sweet to see Topsy...the prototype... helping build production trucks!!! Don't think any other manufacturers can say they've done that 😂
I wanna help you build it!! I used to build conventional trucks, this looks GREAT to be a part of!!