Great video, we hope you'll enjoy the updates still to come as well. Polishing of the game is going to be a big part of our focus but we also have some more features planned for future updates.
AI is key. You must have in depth diplomatic options and choices. Treaties, strategic resources, etc Russia is able to get away with what it’s doing now because of her strategic resources and international treaties. Saudi Arabia has been able influence others far beyond its military capabilities because it has such leverage on strategic resources. If this game doesn’t at least attempt to capture this element then I’m afraid I won’t be purchasing.
Look its Stardock Games posting because they got positive feedback! Sorry but your game is very bad. Imagine making a 4x game where the only way to automove your massive number of ships is to also end your turn... You essentially made it so you spam end turn to move your ships which makes moving and scouting ... a joke... Horrible developers, horrible community manager and your studio is incapable of taking any criticism as you ban people for posting anything that isn't praising your game.
Honestly, Stellaris is janky. There are plenty of things I love about stellaris, but the AI is worthless, and the combat mechanics are terrible. It also has a serious case of late game boredom.
For me the boredom starts in the mid-game already. The only way I can play it is if I adjust the settings for faster research and earliest endgame date.
Stellaris is so much easier then Gal civ in my mind. Yes it complicated but the battles is garbage in a dumpsterfire and can you just hold out a while you will win.
You're bored playing a strategy game? Shocker. Stellaris isn't about the gameplay, it's mostly about how it borrows from real life theoretical things that are actually possible. It's about its authenticity, the fact you have complete freedom to do as you wish. And if you're getting bored at the half way point, just change your settings to be a quicker game. There's a mechanic in the game for people like you.
@@WhenDevilsDuel So you agree with me then? I think you mentally summarized my post as "I don't like the game because it's boring". That's not accurate, Stellaris is a deeply flawed game, one that I have some hundreds of hours playing. It has a great theme and style. But is it a great *game*? No, not really, it's gotten much better over the years for sure, but everything I said about it above is true, and you didn't refute any of it. Cid Meier once said "Games are a series of interesting decisions”. Early game Stellaris plays fairly well, however late game brings a lot of Stellaris's weak points to the front and turns them into real issues. The AI is incredibly boring to interact with and equally stupid from a tactical perspective, and even worse, it's not playing the same game you are, it cheats. Macro-management is poor leading to a lot of repetitive tasks, and the combat system is quite poor and exploitable despite a really quite interesting ship fitting system. You can't change settings and fix these issues. Making the end game "faster" doesn't change anything, nor would it actually be desirable. I really have little patience your mindless white-knights like you. Try to think a little more than "game bad / game good". A game can have some great qualities, and be enjoyable, while also acknowledging the glaring issues it has.
@@entelin 1. the ai is designed to roleplay - not meta spam. The ai plays in accordance with its civilizations category in every way save for weapon types. And with the not so recent ai changes they made it hard to pretend the ai isn't capable of wiping you out if you yourself don't play meta - thanks to people like you who want to complain about difficulty in a game that's largely about roleplay over strategy. 2. The combat mechanics are simple simulations for roleplay sake, and it'd be incredibly tedious if you actually had to engage with every fleet in every battle it participates in - and if you really want to, you can, the ai does technically but it's done imperfectly. Understandably so, considering the amount of code piled on top of code and amount of variations. 3. I already addressed this, but again, there's in game settings for people like you who get bored fast. 4. If only Meier actually made games by his own philosophy, nonetheless, irrelevant to the discussion, Mr. EA Awesome Button. It seems like you just don't like modern Stellaris as much as you think you do, it's just not your kinda game anymore. Especially if you don't like the government interactions which is literally the entire game. 5. Aside from my patience with someone who just tried insulting me, nothing I'm doing is indicative of a "white knight". Just because I don't agree with you, sigh 😔 how incredibly arrogant and stereotypical of you. Sorry I'm an independent opinionated individual with their free thoughts differing from your own tiny world perception, but you might come to learn one day that most of humanity is the same, might - I personally doubt that you're very intelligent. I don't think Stellaris is flawless, and it clearly has much more growth to go through if the devs are willing, I just don't agree with what you think is wrong with it. You didn't even mention invasions and instead have only brought up mechanics that have already been changed, like one of my previous points said, it just seems like you don't realize you don't like the game yet. Because everything you complained about it is, literally - not metaphorically speaking but literally - the entire game.
Stellaris has civs you created controlled by the AI. It has civs that are marauders, and sleeping giants. The galaxy is something some others have already fully explored. It has the khanate, L gates, and end game crisis. Yes, the graphics are less but a necessary element to something of this magnitude. I play with 1000 stars and have the most epic games. Stellaris starts the same, the numerous anomalies do eventually feel repetitive. (The dlcs help keep that fresh) and the decision making on that can also feel limited at times. It is just a tough game to beat and my vote is that it shouldn’t be beaten. GC3 should just be it’s own game that is fun for different reasons. There is room for both in my library.
Stellaris with mods hits different. Also you cant not just play stellaris with at least a few dlcs. I have all kinds of 40+ mods and literally can't turn back to iron mode.
Personally, your statement about it feeling deep but the dlc blah blah is why there is not room in my library for it. I have seen it on sale cheap and it's obvious to me it's just a dlc distribution platform... Yeah, I'm good. I dug around and picked up distant universe instead, which has some good mods as well. Man, I wonder how many similar games I have... Orion, sword of the stars, starsector, hegemonia, Ai wars... 🤔, I could actually go on much much longer... Yeah, I should maybe actually dig around and make an actually playlist.
I like the ship system of Gal Civ more than the Stellaris one, it would be perfect if they implement some kind of strategy option in the battle screen, like direct command of ships.
distant worlds 2 isnt HORRIBLE but it's got a lot of bugs in it that still make it largely unplayable for people that really want to take it seriously - good news is they ARE pretty actively working to to eliminate bugs and it shows with patches released pretty often so maybe a year from now the game will shine
This looks neat, can you clarify what you meant by hitting end turn too fast but also not like the amount of anomalies? I also agree the UI looks super ugly/mobile game tier
Yes, what I meant was I feel like there wasn’t really that much to do, so I felt like I was almost always hitting the end turn button without really having to manage much in between. I also felt like I encountered anomalies at an insane rate, so these massive windows would pop up all the time. For some reason I don’t have a problem with anomalies in Stellaris, but I just felt like they took up so much space here. Again, might be the UI that does it, I don’t really know.
bitching about the play area being crowded is a really stupid thing to do since what most gamers deplore more than anything is waiting several minutes between activity points and clicking the turn button is not quite as annoying. Ive taken a look at the game already myself and the most annoying thing I immediately encountered was the cluttered and overlappingly unreadable and indiscernible interface that was UNCHANGEABLE due to not even having resolution options - HUGE let down resulting in me immediately uninstalling the game for now
I prefer Stellaris for a lot of reasons but glad to see some competition gets us all better games but idk I at the same time dont think they should be compared really as I think the draws to both should be seperate as I dont think one should or can be quanitifed as better if they are both refined experiences. They shouldnt be in direct competition setting out to do one formula better they should be different. I want to see different creative choices in how you build a 4x space game and thus I think its not about how refined or "how better" the experience is, it is about what your preference for the mechanics and the how the solution of how to build a game like this appeals to you and you alone. As an example, I love space 4x strategy games like Stellaris or Distant Worlds but I go to both for different reasons as I like the way the problems in illustrating a space 4x game was tackled by each team and think they both got their own merits it just so happens my favorite is Stellaris. I think the same should be applied here not saying its better or trying to 1:1 compare but appricate it for what it brings in its own right
Recently discovered GalacCiv 3 a few weeks ago. Coming from stellaris I LOVE it. Stellaris feels too boring. Too big. Too micro-managey, too confusing. When something goes wrong with your economy or planets rebel in Stellaris, its game over. There are no tutorials for the game of any real worth as they continually are changing the underlying mechanics. And its mid game...I have seldom fallen asleep in front of a computer as much as I have with Stellaris as NOTHING is happening. The larger event screens and the different flavorful diplomatic screens of GC3 are a major step up from the tiny anomally and other screens of Stellaris. But we are all different and one mans food is anothers poison. I have sun so much real cash into stellaris I simply wish i could sell it or refund it all (good luck with steam allowing us to sell off games we no longer want)
Exactly this. Meanwhile i switched to Distant Worlds 2. A complex Beast of a Game...not the best Graphic but you dont have to Micro every Single Job/Pop. GalCiv..i tried it a few Times but cause i like more complexity it isnt my Game. But good to See that there is a Space-4X that is more easy so everyone could Explore the Galaxy.
I played gakacciv 3 and felt the exact opposite. Game felt SO boring compared to Stellaris. Took hours for something to actually happen, not to mention having to press end turn all the time.
I like stuff popping up all the time. I have both games and I can say that GC4 gives a CK3 feel. Stellaris feels more like its own kind of take to the point I don't have anything to compare it to. The scope and size next to the fact that I can run Stellaris on full sized maps absolutely no problem, but can't GC4. The pop ups can get a little annoying, but it seems enough different ones that each pop up feels like I need to read them. Where Stellaris feels like the same old pop ups when you do get them.
Of all the games (apart from the cocaine that has been 15 years of Eve online), I have the most in Stellaris. Yet I never like that combat there. Often seems that its just a race to get that big stack to win. GalCiv was a great game and if they can expand upon it and get a good AI, it could be a winner.
If you play Stellaris you should never play it without the mod “Amazing Space Battles” it changes the fleet composition and the way the fleets engage with each other. Along with incredible graphical changes. It looks and feels like a Hollywood space battle.
@@JB-ue6lf Appreciate the advice. I'll be sure to jot down that mod for a future playthrough. Is there any other mods you feel that are critical to improve the Stellaris experience? Thanks!
@@fruityoverlord9937 There are so many mods if I listed them your head would spin, but UI overhaul Dynamic is a MUST along with Amazing Space Battles. I promise it will change your experience with Stellaris. As far as that. The rest is really up to you. You can change the Stellaris universe to a Star Trek one. Star wars. Mass Effect. Eve Online. The sky is the limit. Although if you decide to to play with an Eve online mod. Use Eve Online Lost Galaxy. And yes you get most of the cool ships even Titans. Other than that have fun :)
Wow, they did a _gorgeous_ treatment to their canon races! It's _gameplay_ that matters though. So just _having_ canon races is a bit disappointing to me nowadays (compared with the freeform empire-building of Stellaris). GalCiv also has a long history of feeling like you're repetitively hitting next turn without any important decisions being made and I feel like the genre should be past that by now (Stellaris solves it through real-time play. TW:Warhammer 3 solves it by having tons of decisions so almost every turn will contain one or more meaningful decisions). I may still give it a try, because I'm always willing to try new strategy games (and because fixed non-customizable races doesn't totally kill it for me), but it just makes me aware how much opportunity there is to strategy game development. * I'd absolutely love a _fantasy strategy game_ where you customized your race to the degree you do in Stellaris * I also just want more _sci-fi strategy games_ in the same vein, with that emphasis on empire customization. * I even think _historic strategy games_ can benefit if you do it the right way -- people definitely want history to determine the guide rails (which means less customization at game start), but the core promise of a strategy game is "what if" history where you get to explore different decisions each country might make. So I could easily see governments and trade policies and diplomacy and unit choices being so deep and intricate that by mid-game it feels like your empire is _completely your own_ even if you started out the same way as every Greek player does.
To be fair though: You can have some dry patched in Stellaris, too where you have only few decisions to make in a couple of decades - but these are usually offset by moments of sheer overwhelming and at times, even terror.
@@Exodon2020 Well at launch and maybe for its first 1-2 years, that happened more often since Stellaris didn't have all its modern features and balance. (However bad one thinks current Stellaris balance is, it was much worse at launch.) That said, I"m not sure Galciv games _ever_ got balanced enough to remove this flow problem. I think it was just a permanent part of early Galciv gameplay. Then on top of that, fast-fowarding to get through dry patches just flows way smoother than hitting end turn a bunch (since in most turn-based games you have to wait a non-trivial amount of time for all the AI to take their turns).
Stellaris is cool. This game looks cool, but I'm still over here playing Sword of the Stars haha. It's not perfect, but it's my closest to 4x perfection.
Stellaris fan here, however by mid game I become so overwhelmed by my insistence on micromanaging that progress grinds to slowly to ever finish in a human lifetime. Played 100+ games, never finished. If Gal Civ 4 has radically less micro possible without robbing me of meaningful input into my development I would probably like it alot. Masters of Orion II from the 1990s was great because, by computing necessity I expect, it was simpler but provided players with substantial choices in development, including ship design & decisive tactical control. I don't know if the current computing capacity, complexity of programming and insistence on real- time play make such detailed human control impossible or if for some reason developers just aren't interested in that kind of human sovereignty... * Oh! Gal Civ 4 is turn based!? This might be good news...
@@CameronAB122 been waiting a long time for DW2 , despite the issues with the first on modern computers and the performance issues still one of the best space 4x games made .
I played this beta, and unless something has changed or been added, combat is still just clicking on "PLAY", and watching without input (which is why I could not stand the previous titles).
Played a lot of gal civ 2 over a decade ago. That game was lots of fun. Also played Stellaris and a few other space 4x games. At times mods not working with Stellaris was a little annoying. Been thinking about playing gc4 or maybe gc3. I'll decide in a few weeks.
I love gal civ and have so much nostalgia for it, but the day before Stellaris dropped was the last day for the rest of time that the king of scifi 4x was turn based. I'm really hoping more studios try to take them on by going harder at the things that Stellaris wins on usually by default, and games like the upcoming distant worlds 2 are very exciting, we should be pushing the line between game and simulation with the powerhouse computers everyone has on their desks now rather than just throwing all the money we can find at graphics, and I'm honestly hoping the idea of goods as objects that have to be moved on freighters between systems to run your economy becomes the industry standard in the coming decades. But no matter what happens, I'll continue to wait hopefully for Stellaris to be dethroned.
YES, I’d love for trade to be revamped with us actually having to do stuff rather than simply agreeing to some resource agreement that lasts x amount of turns.
@@AndysTake that would be awesome! The system I'm talking about runs even deeper than that though, like in DW2 coming up the minerals from your mining base have to actually be put on a freighter and shipped to your refineries, and from their to your factories. Fuel needs to be put on tankers to be taken across your empire to your starbases to be put on actual ships, the food from your agrarian world's needs to be shipped to your cities. In order to build your grand armada you actually need to get the insane amounts of base materiels for hulls and very refined expensive parts for the electronics from all across your empire to your shipyards. When done right it brings so much immersion and makes it so that pirates and actual supply line attacks are not only possible but painful, as well as merchant empires who can become the backbone of trading systems even when they're not involved in the deal itself. A bit heavy on the computer but I would love to see that become the industry standard, as it just brings so much immersion, to me at least!
@@preuenthegreat518 Sounds SO awesome! Trade is one of the most fun aspects of a game when it’s done well, as it’s something to always keep track of outside of war. Would love for it to be better implemented. I think it’s great in Imperator: Rome if you’ve ever played that, for example!
"was the last day for the rest of time that the king of scifi 4x was turn based" 🤣🤣🤣 I guess when Starcraft came around chess was doomed. You are comparing apples to oranges 😉
The issue with this game is it’s Civilization in space. The entire civilization style has ran its course well over a decade ago, which is why this game isn’t going to replace Stellaris. Stellaris is better because it isn’t based on the civilization formula. Instead, it tries to be its own thing and offer a unique experience from the competition, which is why it has seen as much success as it has.
"The entire civilization style has ran its course well over a decade ago" is utter nonsense. Civilization is doing better now than ever. There is plenty of room in the market for this GC4 to find its niche.
@@jyutzler, Civilization is fairly stagnant. Civ VI, for instance, is a bit rubbish compared to Civ V and Civ IV and is about as big of a DLC bait as Stellaris. However, the problem is the overall basis that is overdone. The civilization style of gameplay has been done to death and reached its peak back with Civ V. After that, it went downhill and was out-played by Paradox’s true grand strategy style.
@@MatthewChenault It's wonderful that you love what Paradox has done but there are plenty of people who (still) love the Civ franchise and find Civ VI far more enjoyable than previous entries in the franchise.
@@MatthewChenault I’m with you been playing civ since the first and it’s run it’s course and feels like flogging a dead horse now , not enough innovation it’s just a rehash with polish and a couple of shiny bits each new game .
It 's always been better then Stalleris. But that doesn't mean Stellaris isn't a good game. Both Stellaris and Galactic Civilization are the creme the la creme of 4X scifi strategy games.Being compared to either of them can only be considered as a compliment.
I liked the previous galcivs as well as master of orion, endless space and sins of a solar empire. Stellaris is really my least favorite of this genre because it kind of lacked charm and was too complex while not being very fun to learn the complexities, at least for me.
Galactic civ. hurts my eyes with their horrible size scale but i like the animations and details to the different alien species. I would like that in stellaris.
I do not feel to put this in comparison with stellaris, Stellaris is another league. This is more a competitor of endless space 2, that as stellaris and at the contrary of GCIV has a more serious graphic
Can't wait to get away from Paradox, and their "No you're not allowed to conquer the entire galaxy, you have to 'play tall' or we'll make you! Now pay us another 200+ bucks for all the parts we cut out of the initial game and rebranded as DLC, and don't worry, we'll be by in 6 months to change anything in the game you do like, so that it's unplayable." Seriously fuck Paradox, and bring on galciv 4!
@@TheAderwolf he much prefers to buy a game from a developer that doesn’t want to keep the title alive , paradox is amazing for supporting their games and keeping a dev team working on improving it .
It's not a game, but I am most excited for the next Stellaris expansion, Stellaris: Overlord. Specifically because of one type of structure, the Orbital Rings. The closest we could get to this before, was the Ringworld megastructure. So I am hyped to start surrounding my planets in these new orbital structures. Presumably they might have shipyard capabilities and the defensive structures should also discourage pirates.
And 3d alien portraits are cool but that also means its almost impossible for people to add new aliens to it . Like you have 10 aliens in this game but in stellaris I have 94 different portraits :))
Lol continually comparing micro aspects of the game to other games that our completely different. We all have to start from somewhere, but u need more experience.
galciv 3 netcode was horrible, would just crash people at certain dates even when you reload or completely restart maps. If they dont come with a proper multiplayer netcode then it wont beat stellaris
Just the fact that its turn based immediately puts this game below Stellaris. Stalleris gets 4x right because not only its well made, its also real time, I'm tired of pressing ''end turn'' button everytime. Destroys the atmosphere. Fuck turn based 4x.
It is absolutely terrible compared to GCIII. Pretty much same game with some features missing, and some things oversimplified. I played the IV for like 20 hours, but miss things from the III.
Galactica Civs is a great 4x game but sadly the map is just a rip off of master of orion reach for the stars and honestly better gfx doesnt mean best in genre. However that doesnt mean the game isnt good. But it's hard to compare to stellaris, being a grand strategy game and not just a 4x game.
they need to allow users to select what species are in galaxy, some of the creepy artwork for species is down right disgusting and creepy, and they chasing away potential custormers but not allowing species selection.
Galactic Civilization is okay, but it's very rudimentary and lacks the grand scale Stellaris have, as planets and ships are smaller in scale and the older entries really had all things riding on space stations for winning, as they are the ones that takes territory and gives you materials. Stellaris has faults but there is way more content and easy modding in that game, but Galactic Civilization is more simple and is also just as DLC heavy as Stellaris. Personally I have played both, but Stellaris is more fun with friends and it's more of a feel of a actual realistic game, as you can't just B-line the most powerful tech, well you still can if you know what you are doing but it's way harder to do than in Galactic Civilization, as there are clearly tech that is better to take each time. Also I have experienced many times that my play style in Stellaris was change during a game, as a new thing made something new possible, like going from a pacifist to warmonger because of a event or that my main species changed overtime to something else. It's more of a surprise each time I play. Remember the Worm loves you.
I did like Gal Civ 3 pretty good... Now that 4 is released, from what I have seen it is incomplete and needs a lot more features, and needs to be on Steam or anywhere else. As long as its only on Epic, I'll never buy it to even try it out... love Stellaris still though.
Politics, GC has always been a better game. Combat, ship design, and exploration, I prefer Stellaris. The thing that has always made Stellaris stronger for me, despite liking GC, is the writing. Events, Archaeology, the Leviathans, there is so much more to find than simply other empires in Stellaris. And GC galaxies have always felt empty, by comparison.
Not even close, very crappy game being sold in a very crappy store. None will remember this title like none remembers the last ones, will pass without pain or glory.
i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the visuals, it cant decide if it wants to be a mobile game or have features, its really bad and seems to be less interest then galciv 3, it feels like galciv3 (not to mention epic shit) and ai wars in terms of planet chains, other then that just menus its not interesting and ive played 100's of 4x for decades
Listing 4x games in order of complexity from beginner to expert would go something like: 1. Master of Orion (OG one or the modern remake) 2. Galactic Civilisations 3. Everything else (Endless Space, etc) 4. Stellaris 5. Distant Worlds 6. Aurora 4x So GalCiv is a good place to start as someone completely new to space 4x, to see if it's your cup of tea.
Great video, we hope you'll enjoy the updates still to come as well. Polishing of the game is going to be a big part of our focus but we also have some more features planned for future updates.
Thank you so much! And thank you for the opportunity to test your game, it was a pleasure! Best of luck!
Well damn.. so many good memories from gal civ 3,cant wait to play this
XD that alien is a literal four-eyes
AI is key. You must have in depth diplomatic options and choices. Treaties, strategic resources, etc
Russia is able to get away with what it’s doing now because of her strategic resources and international treaties. Saudi Arabia has been able influence others far beyond its military capabilities because it has such leverage on strategic resources.
If this game doesn’t at least attempt to capture this element then I’m afraid I won’t be purchasing.
Look its Stardock Games posting because they got positive feedback!
Sorry but your game is very bad.
Imagine making a 4x game where the only way to automove your massive number of ships is to also end your turn...
You essentially made it so you spam end turn to move your ships which makes moving and scouting ... a joke...
Horrible developers, horrible community manager and your studio is incapable of taking any criticism as you ban people for posting anything that isn't praising your game.
I used to play GalCiv2 was the best 4x game in it's time.
Honestly, Stellaris is janky. There are plenty of things I love about stellaris, but the AI is worthless, and the combat mechanics are terrible. It also has a serious case of late game boredom.
For me the boredom starts in the mid-game already. The only way I can play it is if I adjust the settings for faster research and earliest endgame date.
Stellaris is so much easier then Gal civ in my mind. Yes it complicated but the battles is garbage in a dumpsterfire and can you just hold out a while you will win.
You're bored playing a strategy game? Shocker.
Stellaris isn't about the gameplay, it's mostly about how it borrows from real life theoretical things that are actually possible. It's about its authenticity, the fact you have complete freedom to do as you wish. And if you're getting bored at the half way point, just change your settings to be a quicker game. There's a mechanic in the game for people like you.
@@WhenDevilsDuel So you agree with me then? I think you mentally summarized my post as "I don't like the game because it's boring". That's not accurate, Stellaris is a deeply flawed game, one that I have some hundreds of hours playing. It has a great theme and style. But is it a great *game*? No, not really, it's gotten much better over the years for sure, but everything I said about it above is true, and you didn't refute any of it.
Cid Meier once said "Games are a series of interesting decisions”. Early game Stellaris plays fairly well, however late game brings a lot of Stellaris's weak points to the front and turns them into real issues. The AI is incredibly boring to interact with and equally stupid from a tactical perspective, and even worse, it's not playing the same game you are, it cheats. Macro-management is poor leading to a lot of repetitive tasks, and the combat system is quite poor and exploitable despite a really quite interesting ship fitting system.
You can't change settings and fix these issues. Making the end game "faster" doesn't change anything, nor would it actually be desirable.
I really have little patience your mindless white-knights like you. Try to think a little more than "game bad / game good". A game can have some great qualities, and be enjoyable, while also acknowledging the glaring issues it has.
@@entelin 1. the ai is designed to roleplay - not meta spam. The ai plays in accordance with its civilizations category in every way save for weapon types. And with the not so recent ai changes they made it hard to pretend the ai isn't capable of wiping you out if you yourself don't play meta - thanks to people like you who want to complain about difficulty in a game that's largely about roleplay over strategy.
2. The combat mechanics are simple simulations for roleplay sake, and it'd be incredibly tedious if you actually had to engage with every fleet in every battle it participates in - and if you really want to, you can, the ai does technically but it's done imperfectly. Understandably so, considering the amount of code piled on top of code and amount of variations.
3. I already addressed this, but again, there's in game settings for people like you who get bored fast.
4. If only Meier actually made games by his own philosophy, nonetheless, irrelevant to the discussion, Mr. EA Awesome Button. It seems like you just don't like modern Stellaris as much as you think you do, it's just not your kinda game anymore. Especially if you don't like the government interactions which is literally the entire game.
5. Aside from my patience with someone who just tried insulting me, nothing I'm doing is indicative of a "white knight". Just because I don't agree with you, sigh 😔 how incredibly arrogant and stereotypical of you. Sorry I'm an independent opinionated individual with their free thoughts differing from your own tiny world perception, but you might come to learn one day that most of humanity is the same, might - I personally doubt that you're very intelligent. I don't think Stellaris is flawless, and it clearly has much more growth to go through if the devs are willing, I just don't agree with what you think is wrong with it. You didn't even mention invasions and instead have only brought up mechanics that have already been changed, like one of my previous points said, it just seems like you don't realize you don't like the game yet. Because everything you complained about it is, literally - not metaphorically speaking but literally - the entire game.
Stellaris has civs you created controlled by the AI. It has civs that are marauders, and sleeping giants. The galaxy is something some others have already fully explored. It has the khanate, L gates, and end game crisis.
Yes, the graphics are less but a necessary element to something of this magnitude. I play with 1000 stars and have the most epic games.
Stellaris starts the same, the numerous anomalies do eventually feel repetitive. (The dlcs help keep that fresh) and the decision making on that can also feel limited at times. It is just a tough game to beat and my vote is that it shouldn’t be beaten.
GC3 should just be it’s own game that is fun for different reasons. There is room for both in my library.
Stellaris with mods hits different. Also you cant not just play stellaris with at least a few dlcs. I have all kinds of 40+ mods and literally can't turn back to iron mode.
@@maxtruong187 Stellaris with mods in nearly unbeatable IMO.
stellaris with 400 mods is the greatest strategy game ever made
It doesn't matter if it has all those things if those said things are as shallow as a pond.
Personally, your statement about it feeling deep but the dlc blah blah is why there is not room in my library for it. I have seen it on sale cheap and it's obvious to me it's just a dlc distribution platform... Yeah, I'm good. I dug around and picked up distant universe instead, which has some good mods as well. Man, I wonder how many similar games I have...
Orion, sword of the stars, starsector, hegemonia, Ai wars... 🤔, I could actually go on much much longer... Yeah, I should maybe actually dig around and make an actually playlist.
The only real end game crisis in stellaris for me is the lag. That's the real crisis.
I’m a sucker for space strategy games! This looks really great!
Love me some of that space too! :D
Great overview and some excellent points! Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure, and thanks for watching!
Great video as always, Andy!
Thank you so much, Georgi! :)
It will take alot to compete with Stellaris
And even more to compete with it's workshop page.
@Sanguine but I can still make Solar systems into attack crafts.
I like the ship system of Gal Civ more than the Stellaris one, it would be perfect if they implement some kind of strategy option in the battle screen, like direct command of ships.
I hope they still let us make our own civilization with custom icons we can upload.
Distant Worlds 2 is coming soon, and it's already my favorite space 4X.
distant worlds 2 isnt HORRIBLE but it's got a lot of bugs in it that still make it largely unplayable for people that really want to take it seriously - good news is they ARE pretty actively working to to eliminate bugs and it shows with patches released pretty often so maybe a year from now the game will shine
@@unknownuserbutnotabuser No...not any longer.
I played it a lot of ,actually on Harsh...and found no Gamebreaking Bugs since the last Patch
This looks neat, can you clarify what you meant by hitting end turn too fast but also not like the amount of anomalies? I also agree the UI looks super ugly/mobile game tier
Yes, what I meant was I feel like there wasn’t really that much to do, so I felt like I was almost always hitting the end turn button without really having to manage much in between. I also felt like I encountered anomalies at an insane rate, so these massive windows would pop up all the time. For some reason I don’t have a problem with anomalies in Stellaris, but I just felt like they took up so much space here. Again, might be the UI that does it, I don’t really know.
The Star Wars fallen Empire mod is absolutely fantastic. It’s a full conversion of the game
for stellaris?
Played all 3 , GalCiv < endless space< stelllaris < my expectations
bitching about the play area being crowded is a really stupid thing to do since what most gamers deplore more than anything is waiting several minutes between activity points and clicking the turn button is not quite as annoying. Ive taken a look at the game already myself and the most annoying thing I immediately encountered was the cluttered and overlappingly unreadable and indiscernible interface that was UNCHANGEABLE due to not even having resolution options - HUGE let down resulting in me immediately uninstalling the game for now
Damn, a fourth version. These guys can't stop. That's great though, I've always enjoyed their series but felt it needed to be a bit more in depth.
It looks pretty, but unfortunately Distant worlds 2 is coming out in March so... GalCiv will have no chance to shy.
My wallet cant handle this, im sticking with Stellaris=/
You can never go wrong with Stellaris ;)
I prefer Stellaris for a lot of reasons but glad to see some competition gets us all better games but idk I at the same time dont think they should be compared really as I think the draws to both should be seperate as I dont think one should or can be quanitifed as better if they are both refined experiences. They shouldnt be in direct competition setting out to do one formula better they should be different. I want to see different creative choices in how you build a 4x space game and thus I think its not about how refined or "how better" the experience is, it is about what your preference for the mechanics and the how the solution of how to build a game like this appeals to you and you alone. As an example, I love space 4x strategy games like Stellaris or Distant Worlds but I go to both for different reasons as I like the way the problems in illustrating a space 4x game was tackled by each team and think they both got their own merits it just so happens my favorite is Stellaris. I think the same should be applied here not saying its better or trying to 1:1 compare but appricate it for what it brings in its own right
This was an insightful read, you clearly have a passion for the genre.
Recently discovered GalacCiv 3 a few weeks ago. Coming from stellaris I LOVE it. Stellaris feels too boring. Too big. Too micro-managey, too confusing. When something goes wrong with your economy or planets rebel in Stellaris, its game over. There are no tutorials for the game of any real worth as they continually are changing the underlying mechanics. And its mid game...I have seldom fallen asleep in front of a computer as much as I have with Stellaris as NOTHING is happening. The larger event screens and the different flavorful diplomatic screens of GC3 are a major step up from the tiny anomally and other screens of Stellaris. But we are all different and one mans food is anothers poison. I have sun so much real cash into stellaris I simply wish i could sell it or refund it all (good luck with steam allowing us to sell off games we no longer want)
exactly
Exactly this.
Meanwhile i switched to Distant Worlds 2. A complex Beast of a Game...not the best Graphic but you dont have to Micro every Single Job/Pop.
GalCiv..i tried it a few Times but cause i like more complexity it isnt my Game.
But good to See that there is a Space-4X that is more easy so everyone could Explore the Galaxy.
I played gakacciv 3 and felt the exact opposite. Game felt SO boring compared to Stellaris. Took hours for something to actually happen, not to mention having to press end turn all the time.
I like stuff popping up all the time. I have both games and I can say that GC4 gives a CK3 feel. Stellaris feels more like its own kind of take to the point I don't have anything to compare it to. The scope and size next to the fact that I can run Stellaris on full sized maps absolutely no problem, but can't GC4. The pop ups can get a little annoying, but it seems enough different ones that each pop up feels like I need to read them. Where Stellaris feels like the same old pop ups when you do get them.
As far campaign map goes this is how future Total War WH40K should look
I hope I'll still be able to make my own custom civilization and ships from scratch
You can definitely customize stuff a lot! :D
Do not forget about the best part of Stellaris, The mods.
True!
if you think it is too crowded, change galaxy setting to uncommon or rare number of planets
Of all the games (apart from the cocaine that has been 15 years of Eve online), I have the most in Stellaris. Yet I never like that combat there. Often seems that its just a race to get that big stack to win. GalCiv was a great game and if they can expand upon it and get a good AI, it could be a winner.
It's Total War Rome 2 in space😂😂
If you play Stellaris you should never play it without the mod “Amazing Space Battles” it changes the fleet composition and the way the fleets engage with each other. Along with incredible graphical changes. It looks and feels like a Hollywood space battle.
@@JB-ue6lf Appreciate the advice. I'll be sure to jot down that mod for a future playthrough. Is there any other mods you feel that are critical to improve the Stellaris experience? Thanks!
@@fruityoverlord9937 There are so many mods if I listed them your head would spin, but UI overhaul Dynamic is a MUST along with Amazing Space Battles. I promise it will change your experience with Stellaris. As far as that. The rest is really up to you. You can change the Stellaris universe to a Star Trek one. Star wars. Mass Effect. Eve Online. The sky is the limit. Although if you decide to to play with an Eve online mod. Use Eve Online Lost Galaxy. And yes you get most of the cool ships even Titans. Other than that have fun :)
@@JB-ue6lf Cool thanks for the info! :) I'll be sure to hit up those two main mods.
i'm still waiting for imperium galactica 3
I love the events being big pop ups
Wow, they did a _gorgeous_ treatment to their canon races! It's _gameplay_ that matters though. So just _having_ canon races is a bit disappointing to me nowadays (compared with the freeform empire-building of Stellaris). GalCiv also has a long history of feeling like you're repetitively hitting next turn without any important decisions being made and I feel like the genre should be past that by now (Stellaris solves it through real-time play. TW:Warhammer 3 solves it by having tons of decisions so almost every turn will contain one or more meaningful decisions).
I may still give it a try, because I'm always willing to try new strategy games (and because fixed non-customizable races doesn't totally kill it for me), but it just makes me aware how much opportunity there is to strategy game development.
* I'd absolutely love a _fantasy strategy game_ where you customized your race to the degree you do in Stellaris
* I also just want more _sci-fi strategy games_ in the same vein, with that emphasis on empire customization.
* I even think _historic strategy games_ can benefit if you do it the right way -- people definitely want history to determine the guide rails (which means less customization at game start), but the core promise of a strategy game is "what if" history where you get to explore different decisions each country might make. So I could easily see governments and trade policies and diplomacy and unit choices being so deep and intricate that by mid-game it feels like your empire is _completely your own_ even if you started out the same way as every Greek player does.
To be fair though: You can have some dry patched in Stellaris, too where you have only few decisions to make in a couple of decades - but these are usually offset by moments of sheer overwhelming and at times, even terror.
@@Exodon2020 Well at launch and maybe for its first 1-2 years, that happened more often since Stellaris didn't have all its modern features and balance. (However bad one thinks current Stellaris balance is, it was much worse at launch.) That said, I"m not sure Galciv games _ever_ got balanced enough to remove this flow problem. I think it was just a permanent part of early Galciv gameplay. Then on top of that, fast-fowarding to get through dry patches just flows way smoother than hitting end turn a bunch (since in most turn-based games you have to wait a non-trivial amount of time for all the AI to take their turns).
Stellaris is cool. This game looks cool, but I'm still over here playing Sword of the Stars haha. It's not perfect, but it's my closest to 4x perfection.
Stellaris fan here, however by mid game I become so overwhelmed by my insistence on micromanaging that progress grinds to slowly to ever finish in a human lifetime. Played 100+ games, never finished. If Gal Civ 4 has radically less micro possible without robbing me of meaningful input into my development I would probably like it alot. Masters of Orion II from the 1990s was great because, by computing necessity I expect, it was simpler but provided players with substantial choices in development, including ship design & decisive tactical control. I don't know if the current computing capacity, complexity of programming and insistence on real- time play make such detailed human control impossible or if for some reason developers just aren't interested in that kind of human sovereignty...
* Oh! Gal Civ 4 is turn based!? This might be good news...
My biggest issue with Stellaris (Even with mods) is the unrealistic scale of the systems and in this game, it's even worse.
what do you mean? you dont like ship the size of suns? XD
Same
Now that ive played paradox, i really hate turns
Honestly, I kinda feel the same way, especially in certain games
@@AndysTake wait for Distant Worlds 2 then in March!!
@@CameronAB122 been waiting a long time for DW2 , despite the issues with the first on modern computers and the performance issues still one of the best space 4x games made .
I played this beta, and unless something has changed or been added, combat is still just clicking on "PLAY", and watching without input (which is why I could not stand the previous titles).
In stellaris you can literaly become a god so it will be hard to judge
but i wait the final release of GCIV to see, and hope for a stellaris 2 ^^
Are civil wars and espionage a thing? Is there a dynamic economy?
Played a lot of gal civ 2 over a decade ago. That game was lots of fun. Also played Stellaris and a few other space 4x games. At times mods not working with Stellaris was a little annoying. Been thinking about playing gc4 or maybe gc3. I'll decide in a few weeks.
One is RTS one is Turn-Based
this gives you the the guardian of the galaxy feeling
good work👣
Thank you! :D
0:28 that looks like coruscant
so the 2 million dollar question.... GC4 or GC3?
I dont think this game can beat stellaris. But I will definitely play this game as I like space colonization game.
I hope you’ll enjoy it when you get your hands on it :)
@@AndysTake yes I will give it a try and enjoy it. Thanks.
I'm gonna pass. I keep waiting for stellaris to get old but I have so many more race types and origins to try.
Im rely looking forward to this :) currently my main sci-fi game is Stellaris with about 900 hours
Almost 5000 hrs in love Stellaris
@@UglyJaguar impressive! :)
I love gal civ and have so much nostalgia for it, but the day before Stellaris dropped was the last day for the rest of time that the king of scifi 4x was turn based. I'm really hoping more studios try to take them on by going harder at the things that Stellaris wins on usually by default, and games like the upcoming distant worlds 2 are very exciting, we should be pushing the line between game and simulation with the powerhouse computers everyone has on their desks now rather than just throwing all the money we can find at graphics, and I'm honestly hoping the idea of goods as objects that have to be moved on freighters between systems to run your economy becomes the industry standard in the coming decades. But no matter what happens, I'll continue to wait hopefully for Stellaris to be dethroned.
YES, I’d love for trade to be revamped with us actually having to do stuff rather than simply agreeing to some resource agreement that lasts x amount of turns.
@@AndysTake that would be awesome! The system I'm talking about runs even deeper than that though, like in DW2 coming up the minerals from your mining base have to actually be put on a freighter and shipped to your refineries, and from their to your factories. Fuel needs to be put on tankers to be taken across your empire to your starbases to be put on actual ships, the food from your agrarian world's needs to be shipped to your cities. In order to build your grand armada you actually need to get the insane amounts of base materiels for hulls and very refined expensive parts for the electronics from all across your empire to your shipyards. When done right it brings so much immersion and makes it so that pirates and actual supply line attacks are not only possible but painful, as well as merchant empires who can become the backbone of trading systems even when they're not involved in the deal itself. A bit heavy on the computer but I would love to see that become the industry standard, as it just brings so much immersion, to me at least!
@@preuenthegreat518 Sounds SO awesome! Trade is one of the most fun aspects of a game when it’s done well, as it’s something to always keep track of outside of war. Would love for it to be better implemented. I think it’s great in Imperator: Rome if you’ve ever played that, for example!
"was the last day for the rest of time that the king of scifi 4x was turn based" 🤣🤣🤣 I guess when Starcraft came around chess was doomed. You are comparing apples to oranges 😉
Looks like "Endless Space 2" to me.
The issue with this game is it’s Civilization in space. The entire civilization style has ran its course well over a decade ago, which is why this game isn’t going to replace Stellaris.
Stellaris is better because it isn’t based on the civilization formula. Instead, it tries to be its own thing and offer a unique experience from the competition, which is why it has seen as much success as it has.
"The entire civilization style has ran its course well over a decade ago" is utter nonsense. Civilization is doing better now than ever. There is plenty of room in the market for this GC4 to find its niche.
@@jyutzler, Civilization is fairly stagnant. Civ VI, for instance, is a bit rubbish compared to Civ V and Civ IV and is about as big of a DLC bait as Stellaris. However, the problem is the overall basis that is overdone.
The civilization style of gameplay has been done to death and reached its peak back with Civ V. After that, it went downhill and was out-played by Paradox’s true grand strategy style.
@@MatthewChenault It's wonderful that you love what Paradox has done but there are plenty of people who (still) love the Civ franchise and find Civ VI far more enjoyable than previous entries in the franchise.
@@MatthewChenault I’m with you been playing civ since the first and it’s run it’s course and feels like flogging a dead horse now , not enough innovation it’s just a rehash with polish and a couple of shiny bits each new game .
It 's always been better then Stalleris. But that doesn't mean Stellaris isn't a good game. Both Stellaris and Galactic Civilization are the creme the la creme of 4X scifi strategy games.Being compared to either of them can only be considered as a compliment.
What about Endless Space 2?
Good video
I liked the previous galcivs as well as master of orion, endless space and sins of a solar empire. Stellaris is really my least favorite of this genre because it kind of lacked charm and was too complex while not being very fun to learn the complexities, at least for me.
Better than Stellaris? Ha. No.
Galactic civ. hurts my eyes with their horrible size scale but i like the animations and details to the different alien species. I would like that in stellaris.
Will it have workshop support?
I do not feel to put this in comparison with stellaris, Stellaris is another league. This is more a competitor of endless space 2, that as stellaris and at the contrary of GCIV has a more serious graphic
Saw Gerrera: lies, deception, everyday more lies !!!! Stellaris is the way to go!!
This went Epic exclusive? If so, that isn't a good sign.
I'll keep playing Stellaris, I really don't like how galactic civ looks
what about Distant World 2?
Can't wait to get away from Paradox, and their "No you're not allowed to conquer the entire galaxy, you have to 'play tall' or we'll make you! Now pay us another 200+ bucks for all the parts we cut out of the initial game and rebranded as DLC, and don't worry, we'll be by in 6 months to change anything in the game you do like, so that it's unplayable."
Seriously fuck Paradox, and bring on galciv 4!
I am getting my Nicoll-Dyson Beam ready. You should run away and fast.
you seem like a person that rly dislikes change. im confused as to why you would touch any paradox game at all?
Eh just go through gray markets and buy dlcs for 2€ per.
@@TheAderwolf he much prefers to buy a game from a developer that doesn’t want to keep the title alive , paradox is amazing for supporting their games and keeping a dev team working on improving it .
@@bormos3 can you elaborate pls ?
No battles my man
Where can you get the game? I looked on Steam and it's it isn't on there, only Galactic Civilizations III is on steam..
i dont think a turn base game can dethrone stellaris
Its like trying to dethrone chess with Starcraft 2.
It's not a game, but I am most excited for the next Stellaris expansion, Stellaris: Overlord. Specifically because of one type of structure, the Orbital Rings. The closest we could get to this before, was the Ringworld megastructure. So I am hyped to start surrounding my planets in these new orbital structures. Presumably they might have shipyard capabilities and the defensive structures should also discourage pirates.
question any new son knights of honor soverign release ? i hope it releases soon
Nothing I’ve heard of :/
Games whit ..Turns ... that i have to ckick all the time ,make me not wanting to by a game.
I mean cool but stellaris has 90 gb worth of content :)) I have 2600 hours in stellaris and I still have content to touch so
And 3d alien portraits are cool but that also means its almost impossible for people to add new aliens to it . Like you have 10 aliens in this game but in stellaris I have 94 different portraits :))
Stellaris is king.
That maps massive
Yes it’s absolutely huge!
Вы это сравниваете со Стелларисом? Даже странно. Тут же даже расы не настраиваются)))
Такая шутка, да?
uhm no.. bro i have 450 hours in stellaris and I still have content to go trough . stellaris with 300 mods is the greatest strategy game ever
Lol continually comparing micro aspects of the game to other games that our completely different. We all have to start from somewhere, but u need more experience.
They’re valid comparisons, so idk what you’re talking about, really. How much experience does one need to have opinions, in your experience…?
Distant Worlds 1 --->> Sins of a solar empire -> Stellaris -> Distant worlds 2 -->>> Galactiv civ 3 --> Gal civ 4 ...just sayin'
We'll see if it can be a Stellaris killer... that's an extremely high bar for me
Same for me!
I hated the hyper lanes only gameplay from Stellaris. Missed how it was with different travel methods.
Distant Worlds 2 looks much better than Stellaris and Gal Civ 4
galciv 3 netcode was horrible, would just crash people at certain dates even when you reload or completely restart maps. If they dont come with a proper multiplayer netcode then it wont beat stellaris
Eh I still feel like Stellaris is better but I might give it a try
Just the fact that its turn based immediately puts this game below Stellaris. Stalleris gets 4x right because not only its well made, its also real time, I'm tired of pressing ''end turn'' button everytime. Destroys the atmosphere. Fuck turn based 4x.
Has no yt reviewer played previous games? Common....
It is absolutely terrible compared to GCIII. Pretty much same game with some features missing, and some things oversimplified. I played the IV for like 20 hours, but miss things from the III.
Stellaris is not a 4x it is a Grand real time strategy that you can pause.
Yes, but it still has the resource management and diplomacy systems of nearly every 4X games, only difference is the real time system.
@@AndysTake it is all good I was feeling trollie.
Galactica Civs is a great 4x game but sadly the map is just a rip off of master of orion reach for the stars and honestly better gfx doesnt mean best in genre. However that doesnt mean the game isnt good. But it's hard to compare to stellaris, being a grand strategy game and not just a 4x game.
Too much things, too tiny and too annoying, Stellaris it’s simple and beautiful you can’t beat that
they need to allow users to select what species are in galaxy, some of the creepy artwork for species is down right disgusting and creepy, and they chasing away potential custormers but not allowing species selection.
is this coming to consoles as well?
Won't buy it because of this stupid exclusivity deal. It's anti-consumer.
This game looks great, but it lost me at turn based. I am 100% sure it will be loved, and I hope it succeeds.
Not comparable at all
The problem is accessibility. Most people have a console, and so there will be a large customer base that will only be able to play Stellaris.
Galactic Civilization is okay, but it's very rudimentary and lacks the grand scale Stellaris have, as planets and ships are smaller in scale and the older entries really had all things riding on space stations for winning, as they are the ones that takes territory and gives you materials.
Stellaris has faults but there is way more content and easy modding in that game, but Galactic Civilization is more simple and is also just as DLC heavy as Stellaris. Personally I have played both, but Stellaris is more fun with friends and it's more of a feel of a actual realistic game, as you can't just B-line the most powerful tech, well you still can if you know what you are doing but it's way harder to do than in Galactic Civilization, as there are clearly tech that is better to take each time.
Also I have experienced many times that my play style in Stellaris was change during a game, as a new thing made something new possible, like going from a pacifist to warmonger because of a event or that my main species changed overtime to something else. It's more of a surprise each time I play. Remember the Worm loves you.
I did like Gal Civ 3 pretty good... Now that 4 is released, from what I have seen it is incomplete and needs a lot more features, and needs to be on Steam or anywhere else. As long as its only on Epic, I'll never buy it to even try it out... love Stellaris still though.
No.
Politics, GC has always been a better game. Combat, ship design, and exploration, I prefer Stellaris.
The thing that has always made Stellaris stronger for me, despite liking GC, is the writing. Events, Archaeology, the Leviathans, there is so much more to find than simply other empires in Stellaris. And GC galaxies have always felt empty, by comparison.
Not even close, very crappy game being sold in a very crappy store. None will remember this title like none remembers the last ones, will pass without pain or glory.
i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the visuals, it cant decide if it wants to be a mobile game or have features, its really bad and seems to be less interest then galciv 3, it feels like galciv3 (not to mention epic shit) and ai wars in terms of planet chains, other then that just menus
its not interesting and ive played 100's of 4x for decades
Listing 4x games in order of complexity from beginner to expert would go something like:
1. Master of Orion (OG one or the modern remake)
2. Galactic Civilisations
3. Everything else (Endless Space, etc)
4. Stellaris
5. Distant Worlds
6. Aurora 4x
So GalCiv is a good place to start as someone completely new to space 4x, to see if it's your cup of tea.
Stellaris should be 2 or 3, it's not even remotely complex or deep, just big
@@ric1194 Stellaris is extremely hard to learn how to play for the 4x beginners
spoiler....nope. never was even a conversation between which game is better. It is and always has been Stellaris. it's the GOAT