The BEST Space Game NOBODY Cares About...
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- It's X4 Foundations... I know that this is not entirely true, but there are far less people caring about X4 Foundations than about Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen. And it breaks my heart because X4 Foundations is genuinely a better game.
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There's no game that allows you to build a shipyard on the border of two warring nations, have it sell to both and, with strong enough shielding, basically have it build a ship for one of the two factions (money up front), get it blown up the second it leaves the dockyard because it's a warzone and then harvest the wreck for raw resources to build more ships to sell. I literally am the world's top arms provider, selling to all factions while using that money to deal with the actual threat of the xenon.
Murica!
@@DavidMTheKrucifix 😂
yo that's an actual bug in the game... some mods fix this issue, and so factions at war won't buy from the same shipyard..
@@lordblazer "bug"
@@lordblazer but that is common even in real live :D
Yes, X4 deserves more attention. Calling it a 'game' though is wrong. Playing X4 is a lifestyle!
X4 Totally ROCKS.... I have been playing every day for almost a year.
yeah - great game, but I am still a huge fan of a SpaceBourne 2 - this game is getting to be what I want. Give it a year or two and it will be the one.
Don't get too hyped. It does look promising but so does every game ever. Be cautiously optimistic
I felt that one.
It takes quite a lot of time to get anywhere exciting in the game and it really suffers on repeat playthroughs in my opinion since you are doing the same things again and again it can get rather boring quickly. It's a great game don't get me wrong but I assume a lot of people avoid it since it takes quite a lot of time to get to the meat of the game and that is where you can constantly build big ships and run an economy so you can war it out with a faction
200 hours in and I'm still getting stomped by the Xenon and still have a ridiculous amount of things to do. X4 gives me a reason to get up at 6 everyday. Thanks X4.
Your happiest day will be when you have the resources to build your first Asgard... pair it up with a squadron of Osaka's and park it at the ring to a Xenon Station (I started in Getsu Fune but then used the squadron to dominate Savage Spur 2 which became my first full sector)... once you have that you start farming K's for scrap metal... its main guns eat them for breakfast and Osaka's can support it for even large invasion fleets for zero loss engagements.
Only downside is that even skilled captains aren't smart enough to efficiently fly Asgards against capital ships (they don't use the main guns for some reason) so you have to keep an eye on them and teleport over to deal with them personally (especially if they send 2 or 3 k's).
I've never been a fan of MMO's so have no idea how X4 stacks up against them... but I don't think they would fare well based on seeing how they try to monetize the hell out of everything. Can't imagine what they'd want you to pay for an Asgard class ship.
thats sad lol
You can’t get the Asgard cause it is military classified in a way in game, however you can get the blueprints for it to then build it for free at your own shipyard if you have all the parts.
two tricks to counter the Xenon. 1) get used to sending ships to help neighbors defend gates against Xenon incursions AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. If you can afford it, drop some temporary turrets. you need to because without your intervention the Xenon wins through pure persistence. 2) for long term protection, nothing beats a gate base. they are expensive and take a while to build, but it is simply the superior choice for long term protection.
if you are simply playing as you and your ship and not attempting to build up a fleet/company/empire, it is likely that you will be overwhelmed by the Xenon eventually, the non xenon empires simply can't withstand the constant harassment by the Xenon long term without help from the player.
i am at 1166 hours, i have the resources to stop the xenon and every time i plug one jumpgate the pour out of another, it is a wild ride if you get a high thread seed. xD
One of the best space games indeed.
X4 foundation is like mount and blade but in space
Okay... ive been trying to figure out what kind of game this is... and I think your description gives me a great idea! Thank you!
I literally just tought about this just before seeing your comment what the fuck 😂
yet it's unique in a lot of ways
I actually downloaded and started playing this game yesterday because of the Star wars mods, I tried to get into elite dangerous a few times but it always seemed like an insane grind to get going. So far in X4 while its a bit of a grind, being able to assemble (mining) fleets has been insane for me. Steep learning curve but, the fact that my pea brain duct taped 4 medium mining ships to perma export their ores for 70k per ship every few minutes is my greatest accomplishment.
Now the Froot Loops empire desires galactic dominance. If you want LOOPS, you gotta go through ME.
We all started with a few and eventually manage to build entire fleets with own sectors, have you found the crystals yet?
there are just separate tires of income, which gets you to an order of magnitude of income. (i've thought 267mil for L-shipyard is an insane grind, but it's really quite bearable)
- missions - gets you to 10ks of income
- trading with M ships as AI goods speculation - gets you to 100 thousands (and first mils)
- mining - gets you to 100 thousands (and first mils)
- your first mines (silicon) and trading your goods gets you to reliable milllions
- you first multi-product complex and trading from it with L ships gets you 10ns mils reiliable
- you full-scale warf + blueprints gets to first hundreds of mills
Can you still build Shield/Weapon/Rocket Factories in/near Sectors with NPC Equipment Docks to have an infinite amount of buyers?
Did that in older X Games (2 & 3 namely) because NPC Equipment Docks could buy an unlimited amount of any of those 😂
What Star Wars ships do you get?
I had problems getting into it, tried and gave up multiple times throughout the years. But a few months ago I stuck with it and now it is indeed my favorite open world space game, pretty much allowing you to do everything, from small scale freelancing to empire management.
A small problem I ran into however, once I learned how to build an empire, my second playthrough (which was supposed to be diffrent) started to feel very similar because I was doing the same meta. Later I realized that this is best played with some sort of limitations on yourself, just because you can do anything, doesn't mean you have to. So now I have one guy building an empire, one guy just being a business man, one guy really playing the pirate game, producing and smuggling illegal drugs and a guy with a small time mercenary company, with just a small fleet, one big freighter and a squadron of fighters, which feels like playing a diffrent game on a diffrent scale, like Battletech for example. That really keeps the game fresh. All I need now is ChatGPT integration for NPC dialogue and Im never going to stop playing this title :)
I need to try the mercenary fleet route.... the only issue I have with the game is that it forces you to do the PHQ playthrough..
@@lordblazer you really don't need to invest so much in the HQ, besides the teleportation research will help you a lot, but even then, you can skip the HQ construction for a long time.
As a very long time X player, I am happy to see it get credit now. With the latest update 6.+ this is as far as I know the first ever space game to get Carrier groups working correctly with supply fleets. Interceptors will intercept fighters and return for repais if needed, bombers/attackers will do actual attack runs and not just fly to X and sit still shooting, they will go in and out dodging turret fire and return to a supply ship dock if they take damage meaning proper fleet management is fully functional at last.
It's made the game so much better with the 6.0 patch I've gone and sunk another few hundred hours into it.
Unm, it's not an MMO.
@@AcheliusDecimus and so what
its an rpg@@AcheliusDecimus
Let's be honest though, I was there at the beginning and X4 had a rough launch and took years to get to it's current state. It's a great series and I'm getting into again with mods, but the rough launch definitely contributed to this game falling under peoples radar.
Playing it on and off since launch and it wasn't that bad by today's standards. Performanse was a kinda shitty and the AI turned into an idiot if you physically look at it, but overall I got a solid 50+ hours of gameplay even in 1.0.
It was less buggy then Rebirth on launch from what I remember. Plus its egosoft their games usually start a bit of a mess and then turn into masterpieces that get supported for years not only by them but the modding community.
Yeah, X4's launch was pretty bad.
Basically every single X game had the same issue with very buggy launches.. People who have played them for a long time will generally tell new players to not even touch a new X game for the first 2 years if you aren't a masochist.. But once they get it right, they really get it right.
I started my corporation in X: Beyond The Frontier, built it up in X-Tension, diversified in X2, had whole sectors in my grasp in X3, sold to both the Commonwealth and the Terran in X3TC... things started to get messy in X3AP and by the time X3FL came around and the Gates started shutting down I was really in trouble. Lost almost everything during X-Rebirth... But now it's X4F time, and my fortune is on the rise once again!
This sounds like an epic movie
Timeline of a honest Teladi. Nothing hurtsss more than losssing pofffitsss.
As a warning from my experience; I have started the X games multiple times and thrown up my hands with several false starts... only coming back months later, really figuring it out, and having my life sucked into a black hole for hundreds of hours.
I like that X4 has a lore and several books giving an initial background to the X4 universe. (the books were pretty good too).
Yeah, and it is pretty deep too and expansive, even going to high Kardashev civilizations and stuff like that
have been playing these games for around 15 years they have always floated under the radar its so nice to see multiple people finally spreading info about them they 100% deserve all the praise
Cept for X Rebirth.
Absolutely right you are ! With more than 1000 hours of gameplay I can honestly confirm that this game is the best and most complete spacesim. Except Star Citizen, I played all the competitors ( Elite, No man's sky, Eve online, Starfield, evochron etc...) and no one compare to this piece of art. And, very important, the developers are there , always backing the product, always creating news thing, always improving existing ones. The universe of the game is so "real" that you don't need a multiplayer mode.
The one and only flaw, for me, is the lack of planet management, for exploration and for business. That's it, all the rest is there. Grand game
I picked this up a couple of weeks ago for my Steam Deck, it's amazing! It's not really in the same camp as either SC or ED though... there's some overlap, but the management aspect, and single player only gameplay put it in a different league. It's more like a single player EVE where you fly your ship.
Do you need an Internet connection to play it?
I wish to someday just see a glimpse of X4.. i started with x3:reunion,played through extensions tc and ap,and just sneak peek into x rebirth..most time spent in x3tc with bunch of mods,vanilla and backstage scripts checkouts. It would be nice if there were possibilities to land on planets or at least have options to extend play to some levels,in example as in x3r driving through stations or asteroids and making missions. I reached point where i was in ancient gate complex (6gates in one huge machinery),which needed immersive amount of resources to make it work,so with script editor i made asteroids inside,made them stations to mine them,and assigned ships to constantly go buy n sell to gate station,also with ships buying from other stations and sell to this one,with 5 assigned Kha'ak destroyers to keep an eye in this same structure for enemy activities...there were good mods back there,and the developers made a good game to be able to make it all happen. Hail to Egosoft
The reason X4 isn't as popular and niche is because it's not for everyone. When people think of a spacesim they usually imagine controlling a starship, flying around a galaxy and engaging in exploration. Something Elite: Dangerous gets a lot more traction. X4 is almost like ... a 4X (no pun intended). It's about scale. It's about *empire building*. It has a lot of strategy elements in it. Not everyone is interested in space station building and fleet management. The similar game comes to mind (which is also claimed to be the best space sim by a lot of people) - Star Sector. And guess what, Star Sector is also a very niche games. These games do very well what they advertise, which is fleet and empire building. But majority of players are more interested in immersing themselves in the world by piloting their one ship, feeling alone in the cosmos and exploring the unknown. That's what propelled space sim genre to become a thing.
Very informative comment, and it makes a lot of sense actually. I think looking at the footage here and the description, it definitely does sound like a more visually immersive 4x, which is cool, but definitely not for everybody.
So if you are not into ship and station building, X4 is not really for you? If so, what would you recommend if you like the simulation/sandbox space aspect and space battles of course :)
@@gjdriessen1 It's hard to tell, there's no game that could fill that void as of now. Elite Dangerous did for some time but judging from their current situation it's not in a good state. Eventually, Star Citizen could be good but that's not even a game yet, I'd wait. There's No Man's Sky but if you don't enjoy the aesthetic it has you might not like it. If you can get behind a looter-shooter in space, I'd suggest you try Everspace 2 (you character IS the spaceship in that game. It's a different take on it, certainly more arcady and more shooter-like. Nothing like Elite dangerous would provide, for example). There are some interesting developments in the future. Starfield could be a good game, but judging from the Bethesda's trouble history I wouldn't get too excited about it either. Another interesting game is developed by one person is called SpaceBourne 2. But as it stands currently there's no golden middle for a game like that... there's always going to be a place for a good sandbox spacesim where you just get to pilot your own starship and just be a bounty hunter, or do some quests. All of them currently seem flawed or offer a different experience. If only we could get a game like Space Rangers except with 3d graphics. that'd be very cool
@@accretionist1 thanks mate for the elaborate answer. I might grab some of them on a sale. Spacebourne 2 looks really cool for an indie game.
@@gjdriessen1 It's only station building that gets squirrly. Not doing at least the PHQ means missing out on research and some missions and its rewards, but you can do it. However, station building is a lot like lego/sticklebricks and isn't as difficult as you think it is. No, the real problem is if you can't throw away 20 hours of game, 20 real wall time hours, as just a learning exercise, a learning that can put 100 hours in to get to mid game or still learning late game. If you can't afford it, then like, say, Fortnite, you can't afford the time it takes from your life, you have other things to do and only one life to do it in.
People either love or hate this game. Waited until 6.00 hotfix 3 until I played it the first time.
My *mixed* 7/10 experience so far:
+++free to 'do whatever you want' sandbox
++ships look nice
++epic scale
++considering the small dev team it is an impressive game and I completely understand why they have to cut corners
+improved controls and UI over previous games
+Tutorials for basics, however still have to look up most things online
+long playtime, lots of things to do
+story
+GOG or Steam release, no account/online only/copy protection bulls**t (6:04)
+modern Vulkan 3D graphic API (probably needed for performance reasons)
-music is meh (some does not fit very well and is to generic)
-generic universe look (previous X-series games had much cooler sector graphics / skybox)
-stations / landing zones feel generic, cold and lifeless
-savefiles are compressed XML - an ineffective String-format - flexible, cheap & fast to develop with, but results in slooow long save/load times & large save files for the enduser
--AI is dumb
--performance is bad even on high end PCs you will drop below 60fps, no CPU right now is fast enough to handle a big complex late game universe with smooth framerate
---Still buggy, expected better for a 6.00 version, had teleporting 'Xenon I' ships multiple times, placing Laser towers near a factions station to defend it from enemies made it hostile because they (apparently accidentally!?) hit the station
Played all previous games. So far had the most fun with X2 The Thread. But that's simple to outdated for todays - only 4:3 aspect ratio support.
One thing you didn't seem to mention that I think plays a big role is replayability. The game has some degree of random generation, "seeds" for every new game if you like to call them that. Which makes every new game, even if you have already experienced all the plots and so on, a different experience and a challenge. Let me give you example of two campaigns I've had in the last 2 months of playing:
Campaign 1: In this campaign I almost immediately had the xenon (AI murder machine "race") launch an incursion on one of the central systems in the galaxy. Now, that system is always a hot spot to some degree but it was bad this time around. REALLY BAD. How bad exactly? Well... Xenon constructed a defence station and a SHIPYARD right next to the jump gates to those systems, they literally blockaded the ENTIRE trade of the commonwealth factions before I could do anything about it. Result? Material shortages everywhere, factions unable to produce ships fast enough to defend themselves against xenon and losing ground everywhere, northern Split provinces almost getting wiped out entirely. So, what do I do? I decided to migrate to Terran Territory and cozy up to them. Terrans have their own in-house economy so they were unaffected. I decided to use this and essentially started to build my station in their space, with an aim to massively bolster their economy and, eventually, be able to produce my own ships. How did this campaign end? Terrans Protectorate became the very saviors and protectors they believed themselves to be, they had a MASSIVE military force and went to war with xenon everywhere they could, thanks to my own stations propping up their economy massively. I kept everybody alive by selling them my own ships, becoming a billionaire in the process. It was a story of how one Teladi's greed and endless pursuits of profit literally saved the whole galaxy from evil AI overlords.
Campaign 2: Xenon caused problems in the same system, but they were the usual ones and the economy overall held okay. It was pretty uneventful to be honest, no major happenings until I spotted a curiosity about 20-ish hours into my game. I spotted an Asgard with about half it's hitpoints flying through Argon space. Huh, now you don't see that every day, earlier I spotted a Terran fleet hanging around that system I mentioned earlier (HAT choice I for anybody wondering), not sure why they were there but they are probably the reason why the economy did not collapse, I saw a couple of Xenon destroyers when I was flying by so I assume it was literally a lone Asgard trying to return to it's own space. Now for those who do not know, Asgard is literally one of the most powerful ships in the game, it's a siege Battleship that can take on a whole fleet on it's own and melt stations on it's own. And some of you probably know where I am going with this: a Terran ship flying through Argon space, Argon's don't like Terrans to put it mildly, so I immediately decided on a crazy plan to board this thing. It took me two whole hours of constantly blowing up it's engines and nibbling at the shield (I literally bought new ships on the fly just so I could actually do it) and a razor thin boarding mission but I GOT IT. I had a fully equipped Asgard about 20 hours into the game. Now, a smart choice is to sail it to a shipyard, sell the equipment and then the hull itself for so much money that it will give you a huge headstart into your own station economy. But that's too boring, what I decided to do instead is to fly to Argons with my brand new Terran Battleship and tell them I will do any of their Xenon missions if they pay me well. So I took literally every single war mission that involved destroying xenon stations and off I went! With just that one Asgard I managed to clear basically all the xenon in the top regions and completely neuter them. In the process I made enough money to buy myself a carrier with a squadron of fighter bombers, and 2 destroyers to help with the station bombardment. With no player economy at all. I wonder how surprised Yaki will be once I finally roll into their system and free them from their plight without even being asked to do so by our boy Dal Busta.
This is why this game is so amazing. It's a sandbox that gives you so many tools to play with and so many variables that the possibilities for interesting games are practically endless.
it’s literally what he said in the beginning
They must have really improved the economy when you can buy new warships 20h into the game.
This emmergent gameplay moments that makes X4 the best space sim ever!
@@molybdaen11 if you know the game, you know how to exploited... X4 allows you to gain MILLIONS just in the first hour of gameplay if you know to do it.
And yes, you can have massive warships at the begining too, if you know how to play the game.
The difficult of X4 is mostly on the learning curve, once you have, i don't know, more than 1000 hours the game begining becomes a joke of how easy it is to play the game. This doesn't mean the economy is broken, not at all, the economy works as intended, BUT you can exploited with the right hacks and cuts.
Even IRL you can exploit the system to hork for you if you are smart why would be any different in a game with such complex economy that is completely based on player imput and AI output?
@@efxnews4776 I played all parts except Albion (and barely touched Rebirth because lack of gravitar).
So far there had been some missions which enabled you to buy better components, some money or rare ships.
But nothing so early in the game.
After 30h I barely had enough grinded for a proper first factory, and that was with hours trying to capture pirate orinokos.
You can't just gloss over the fact that ED and SC have persistent online worlds and X4 is single player. Being single player makes it insanely easier to implement more complex gameplay systems. It's not a coincidence that ED lacks this and SC is trying but is taking 20 years to make lol. Plus, there's still nothing that even comes close to the actual space flight and ship "feel" in ED - I've always looked at ED as primarily a space *flight* simulator and it's still the absolute best at that, I don't even think there's another game that I would consider a valid competitor in that regard and I absolutely love it's modular equipment system for it's ships. And calling Eve online, although it holds a special place in my heart, a space sim is kind of a joke, you literally click to move your ship. Don't get me wrong, I love all of these games except for SC because I refuse to play it until it's in somewhat of a finished state, and I agree with your sentiment as far as how awesome X4 is in it's own right but I think all the comparisons or trashing one game vs. another is just unfair. I love 'em all for their strengths and don't mind any of their weaknesses, except for how shallow ED becomes after you really get deeper into it. It is a shame really that ED doesn't have more variety of time consuming shit to do in it and a more complex economy. I really wish a game that was Eve but with ED's ship and spaceflight systems existed, I'd never stop playing it.
X4 is the clear winner when it comes to a sandbox space game. If the next game opens up to planetary landings and ground combat, it could very well be the best. X4 has a very strong foundation to build upon for the next game.
Citizen already does that
@@yannickbamona1164 - Citizen isn't an actual game, but more like a tech demo. There are a number of good things, but it is unfinished and more like a playground right now.
@@parawill7074 True and totally agree , it is actually what the MMO part of the game will be.
when I say Citizen it encompass everything the game is and will, and the reason why the game seems to not move on is because most of the effort is put on the single player part which is call Squadron 42 which itself will be divided in 3 part, 1rst one is pretty much finished just a bit of polish left to do, then the 2 other solo parts before Star Citizen the Multiplayer part will be done and the Squadron 42 games are like a prelude or an introduction into the universe and lore of Star Citizen.
So believe me they are actively working on the game and when they said since 2013 that it was the most ambitious game ever to be made they weren't kidding.
ua-cam.com/video/IDtjzLzs7V8/v-deo.html Take your time, check for urself and tell me what u think about the tech demo 😅
It better then No man Sky, Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous put together. I enjoy star citizen when I have friends to play with. Though I still find X4 the far superior game. Going from Rags to Riches. Then building an empire the world has never seen. Destroying enemy factions. Taking over their zones. Colonizing planets. It like the list of things goes on on what you do in that game. With the best part. It single player. Sure I wish I could have a co-op mode but still it better then the open pvp of Elite Dangers and Star Citizens. ((Yes I know Elite Dangerous has solo and co-op but Elite is also Elite is so empty.))
REEEEE Elite is an beautiful game and the best cockpit simulator imo. PVP can be exilerating, even if you are just running for your life (like me) from a much more experienced pilot. Problem is so many players avoid PVP encounters by just playing the game offline anyway 🤷♂ and its a grind to get good....a longggg grind.
Been playing this game for the past few months , incredible game and incredible devs with a solid and clear vision.
not sure they are incredible..... but they do good work. i wish the missions were better done and not so buggy..... and it was easier to find blue prints etc. in game encyclopedia be nice. i know they kinda have that if u click on more info but its not useful for finding certain bps etc. it can def use work. but its also best first person space game i played. it has nearly everything. and does most of it really well.
When I started X4, I was overwhemled. So much to do, which WORKS!
Yes, im coming from SC.
And best part in X: the economy is amazingly working!
In x4, you will start out as a space figther sim, but by mid game, you will play it like an rts, occassionally hopping into your player ship to run plot quests ...or shoot some xenon. I have yet to reach end game, which i expect to be actually churning out my own fleets, and managing the supply chain of stations and economy ships to fuel my war factories, and let loose my armada on my enemies. But that will be another hundred hours of game play or more.
end game is straight up terraforming missions... ignore them.. seriously they're a waste of time.. though if you do it, it does have influence within the universe, but mostly like small frekaing changes... It ain't worth the time and resources.. it's an insane grind that makes no sense for why the devs put it there.
I actually dropped Star Citizen for X4.
Ive been playing this game since its release, I went thru hell with all the bugs and stuff that was wrong with it. But just like you said, for a while now this game has just being perfect. I love starting new playthroughs every new DLC. And I truly love how the world is always a bit different every time. I still remember when the Xenon conquered the whole gate system in one of my saves, the only safe place was the Terran space, and that was starting to fail too.
you convinced me and now my game net worth went from 10,000C to 200,000,000C since I got a new mega station creating 10,000 hull parts/hr
Just started playing the game, and I can already say I had much more fun than from both the other games combined. I get it, it might not be as appealing to kids nowadays because the graphics are a bit outdated, and so might be some of the systems - but god damn, this game is just a masterpiece. It seriously needs more coverage so more people hear about it, and the devs get more money for improvements.
SC and ED fan here: X4 is an *excellent* game from what I've seen, haven't played it myself, as I already have either SC, ED to scratch most of those space-y urges. Though it won't appeal to all of the SC or ED fanbase, it'll appeal to a lot of them.
The biggest draw SC that it's explicitly *multiplayer*. The people that love it, love it for that reason in particular most of the time. It'd take an X-series MMO with ground/FPS combat and planetary landing to really fill SC's niche completely
Elite... Elite has a vibe to it, mostly. And a VR mode, but I believe at least one of the X-series does as well, but I don't know about X4. That and just sheer *scale*.
If neither of the above appeals to you, know, X4's a great alternative!
Fun fact, the first game to be called "X" (also a space game, but I don't *think* it shares the same universe) was on the Game Boy, made by Argonaut, and would ultimately lead to Star Fox...
Bethesda should have taken advice from the X universe games to make a succesful space rpg game because as Starfield stands right now it hasn't accomplished it.
The reason X4 is not more popular, is very simple: the learning curve of this game is not a learning curve, it's a learning cliff. It's just like with all those complex grand strategy games, it's just too overwhelming for majority of the players so they just quit. But just like with those games too, if you manage to actually devote the time and energy required to properly learn and understand the game, there is no other game like this. The game has so much content and so much depth that you can spend hundreds of hours here and not see the bottom of the barrel yet.
it's VERY FUNNY when in recent Boron expansion there is build-in tutorial "how to manage missions and multi-part missions". gees, wish it was from the start. Just when I struggled with HAT plot and multi-part various guild missions.
I don't know about that the bottom can be seen the moment you get to building stations and expanding the empire and before that is busy mission and rep grinding and after it's just fighting and managing an empire . It's cool don't get me wrong but it suffers a lot on repeat playthroughs since most of the time you are doing the same things and it gets repetitive rather quick
it's not a learning cliff.. all the information is present within the game itself... What I did was chose a playstyle that was easy and straight up, get familiar with it then take my time learning all the other systems and how things work.. it takes time, but once you learn it. it's fun, well the process of learning and discovering is fun too.
I think the main reason is it's not the same audience. People looking for a multiplayer space game aren't going to be considering a single player space game even if it is admittedly a very good game.
@@Assassin5671000only if you choose to do that. It's a sandbox, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, or even have to.
If you can't impose limitations on yourself and go the same route every game, thats on you.
I think what draws people to Star Citizen and Elite (including me) is the Coop/Multiplayer aspect and exploring/landing on planets. From the looks of it X4 foundations dooesn't offer this yet?
X4 multiplayer elements are almost non-existent... theres something called ventures wich you can send ships to venture online, but you don't participate on this, but if you use mods, it wont work.
But i see some folks complaining about that, and i must say this, i don't think this game would work very well as a multiplayer, besides, if you want this sort of game you should play Eve.
No, but the scale with it's AI living their lives and running everything independently of the player somewhat makes up for that, and helps X3/X4 pull off the vision that Star Citizen has as a living universe far better than either of those other two games.
What draws a lot to "Solo" for Elite and entirely away from Star Citizen is other players griefing players.
I knew this over a year ago. X4 is all I play. I gave up on all the others.
There was a big uptick in the player count over the holidays when it was on sale. It's daily peak doubled over the last month and I've noticed it being mentioned a lot of reddit and other sites when people ask for space games latley.
Played X2, skipped X3.. blown away by X4. It is a proper PC game, complex, deep and great. Over a hundred hours in and still learning, still so much to do, so many reasons to create larger fleets, more factories and explore.
X3:TC and :AP are both great.
bad bland generic ship designs breaks it for me. i'd love to jump into all these sims, sc elite dangerous, x series, and everything else but their ships are amateurish. they look like what you find on a fridge. my only hope is homeworld 3. also infinity has cool ship designs, but that game has no single player campaign.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 X4 Ships are not generic at all, but they are like Star Citizens ships more realistic, the scope of the ships are really getting to you if you can get out of them and stand below them, that changes the ship designs alot tho
Even as someone who wholeheartedly enjoys StarCitizen, X4 Foundations is probably my favorite space sandbox games ever and you're one of very few people who even bother to mention how fucking awesome the mods are for this game. I've been a fan of this series since X3 Reunion and I've always maintained it's the most underrated franchise, period. Granted, the UI is pretty clunky and a little on the dated side and there might be a bit of a steep learning curve for new players to get to grips with everything but once you do, it's so rewarding and such a unique gameplay experience.
The only other single player experience that probably comes close, is Stellaris though it is technically a different genre. Top notch video!
Really like X4, biggest problem with it is lack of viable game if we ignore the empire building part. I want a little more Wing Commander Privateer.
You should try the Craddle of Humanity dlc... you don't even worry about the whole building empire once you start as a terran pilot...
Then play WC or Privateer.
For X4 to become more popular with youtube gamers, I think they should implement a multiplayer option. Co-op gameplay in multiplayer games seems to become more and more popular with streamers. I don’t think they should run a “community server”, just give players the option to run their own servers. And X5 better have planetary landing 😏
Ditto. Multi-player / Co-op would make it perfect.
Jumpgate options to other servers = a metaverse.
They are thinking about it. Thing is: Net code is hard. Small team, no multiplayer experience.
Making it coop would remove SETA and Pause, as well as requiring it to be entirely rebuilt, @@BoltRM
170-ish hours in and I'm finally getting around to building a massive fleet of ships to take on my enemies.. I've yet to find any game breaking bugs apart from occasionally ending up in an asteroid (easily remedied by just teleporting around).. if you guys think of this as minecraft in space, you won't be disappointed.. get out there and make your own story.. the game is amazing
The asteroid problem can be solved by simply shot at will tactic... it will take some time, but nothing that will bore you forever.
Elite and Star Citizen devs constantly making a mess with every update and always making its playerbase mad
Meanwhile the X franchise sits quietly in a corner, bothering no one and doing its own thing
needed a review to know if that game was for me, and i want to say this is the best review of the game on youtube i saw
clear and precise to the point!
It's one of my fav games. A little problem for me is kinda long travelling time and fps death in lategame but it's still awesome
the scale of the gameplay is what sets the game apart in my mind. you play and play and play you work your way up to better ships. you finally manage to get a ship which actually needs multiple crew members in order to function correctly, and you are feeling like a king. about that time the scale of the game really starts to hit home. you've done all this playing, struggling to be able to purchase such a fine ship, and you haven't even really begun the game yet. the game doesn't TRULY start until you build your first station, and have trading/mining ships earning you money passively. then you build a second station, then a third, etc... NOW you're in the game, and it just keeps opening up bigger and bigger. eventually you will build the capability of manufacturing your own ships, became a major economic force in the universe, then an Empire taking control of entire Sectors. X4 is one of those games that will just chew up vast amounts of time. you aren't going to be doing all this in short amount of time. building an Empire takes planning, smarts, logistical awareness, strategic competence, and most of all patience, lots and lots of patience.
"There is a game that has a giant open world which allows you to do literally anything you want to, the way you want, and where you can still achieve all of the things you want doing these things, and it's not broken and it's not buggy, and it simply works, and you know what game I'm talking about," Eve Online.
Not going to deny that...
This is the only game i've ever played that moves smoothly between First Person Space shooter with you participating in large scale battles and dog fighting, and RTS where there are definitely 4x elements at play and do it without requiring an online connection. It may not be perfect at either, but it is still pretty darn good at both.
The thrilling moments right before you arrive to a battlefield, prepare your fleet for combat, then left the bridge and go to your personal combat ship in the hangar, and just wait until the AI launch the attack you prepared, then you start to scraping...
NOTHING in any space game i played beat this!
I completely agree with you on your points about X4 and I like your humor.
Game has came a long way since first game. It is very unique and the potential is unbelievable. The devs are smaller team and there are a lot of problems with fleet AI. Ships tangle up trying to zoom in on the same spot attacking a station. However being “foundation” game hopefully takes a new direction to redesign many of the old and cumbersome mechanics. Overall it’s not bad and the game is far more enjoyable when you learn to mod the game stats. Ship HP, shield regen, weapon properties. Not everyday you get to own a carrier commanding an entire fleet.
Sounds like a single-player version of EVE Online?
@@billywashere6965 yep! That's actually one of the two ways i describe it to people. The other example i use is "Mount and Blade in Space"
Why cant I walk around my station I just spent billions on
ngl, I don't see how comparing two MMOs to a singleplayer game makes any sense at all? it's not that this game is better or worse than ED/Star Citizen, it's just a completely different game, it's like comparing Minecraft Survivalmode to Fortnite Battleroyale
When you add Eve Online to the discourse, ED/SC look like single player games with limited co-op. So it's all relative.
To be fair the X-series have always been, Space capitalism: The game
I used to play X4 years ago, move to Elite both old and new, now looks like I will be going back to x4...
Same here, thanks for the reminder
X4 is pretty great. I ran a very successful spaceweed station/business where I grew the spaceweed and smuggled it into restricted areas for high prices.
There is another hidden gem in this category: Starsector, formally known as Starfarer. It’s only in 2D but these are the best 15 bucks I‘ve ever spent. I got over 2000 hours in it, and it’s only developed by four people for over 10 years now.
ill be the one to say X4 is just kenshi in space
comments saying mount and blade in space i get it but THIS, now this game makes sense to me ITS SPACE KENSHI!!!!
@ethanbryan6321 love you for saying that ❤️❤️
@@Nyxson just wisht i could be an armless legless nugget in space haha
The real difference between X4Foundations and Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous is that X4Foundations is a single player game and not an MMO. You play X4Foundations by yourself. You play Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous with other people. That's actually a HUGE difference. You need to compare X4Foundations to like games such as Squadron 42 or Stellaris. Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous compare to EVE Online, not X4Foundations.
really?!... You are not comparing it with SC because of the multiplayer, but comparing it with Squadron 42, the game that doesn't exist and Stellaris... a GRAND STRATEGY GAME?!
I am done.... Good day to you sir...
@@Nyxson By far the hardest part both technically,financially and time wise is networking in multiplayer games. It can take up to 75% of a games production budget. Making a single player game without networking is EONS easier then with it. I wont even get into the complexity of physicalised items or physic's grids. This is not rocket science, it's literally basic knowledge. So yes, comparing X4 [a great game] to something like SC is..... dumb.
You forgot the best named aliens, the Kha'AK.
Teleporting HQ death fleets
Solo Eve online through the DeadAir mod collection
And, oh yh it has PvEvP multiplayer through the multiverse beta
I heard someone mistook X4 for a 4x game and honestly... it kinda is in later game, if you, like me, want it to be.
An epic franchise. About time it received the recognition it deserves 👍🏾
I love this game to death, put like 400 hours into it the first 3 weeks I got it (yeah.. I know..) but in the interest of fairness it has to be said that the game is so fucking buggy, and I mean littered with bugs, that it can frustrate the shit out of you. Since KE 6.0 launched, literally all my ships are fusing together and spiral uncontrollably whenever I move in system it's so annoying I actually stopped playing until they fix it.
Update: They fixed it, along with tons of stuff. I'm into it again.
with literal thousands of hours into the X series, these games are absolute gems.
There is quite a lot of bug mostly physics and collision detection, UI is a unintuitive mess. Control as well. can’t get enough of it though. If you like stellaris, kenshi, elite dangerous and avorion… wished EVE online had an offline version? definitely a game for you.
Ive been playing X4 since 2020 and OMG i love it! Ive played Starfield and Elite Dangerous but none of them really felt "alive" just bland and empty- sure its new and has cool graphics and what not but it never had much life or content to do- it was so repetitive. . . But with X4 there is LIFE, your choices ACTUALLY mater- You are literally in CONTROL rather than following what the game tells you- you have to go out and physically build from the ground up. In ED you can only do do much((mine, trade and fight)). X4: Build an empire to set your mark in the galaxy, Build a fleet of ships to help defend or to conquer your enemies and defend your allies. MINE, you have to go out and mine resources to build said fleets and stations- Finance your stations and help fund them for the work you want done. . And so mucb more. The game is probably one of the most immersive space RTX/sandbox sim ive ever played and A BONUS its FIRST PERSON! Its honestly amazing... I hope it blows up with players one day :)
I remember being amazed when i played x3 for the first time that nobody was talking about it. It had everything i wanted at the time and was great. Cant wait to get x4
I would put Starsector right there next to X4. They basically do the same thing just in different ways and styles.
My only real problem with X4 (but its a big one) is that planets dont exist in the game except as pretty pictures in your skybox, you cant land on them, you cant orbit them, you cant interact with them in any meaningful way. Sorry but planets not existing is pretty much unforgivable in a modern space game. Other than that the game is awesome.
Well, you can interact with them, there are planetary terraforming mechanics but only in a late game
@@Nyxson That's what I meant by saying "in any meaningful way" I really dont consider the terraforming to be meaningful planetary interaction. Don't get me wrong, I love X4, but relegating planetary "interaction" to a picture in a skybox or numbers in a spreadsheet is the game's one *true* huge omission that they never fixed. Maybe with X5?
The planets are actually 3D objects, you "can" get closer to them, if you have a very fast ship, point it at the planet, and let it fly for many many hours. Get too close and you will spontaneously and unceremoniously explode though, you can't land on them.
@@michaelbennett7561 Yes, if I had to precisely define the term "no meaningful interaction with planets", what you just wrote would pretty much be it. If X4 ever fixes this *massive* problem it would become the perfect space game.
Planets would just be stations with a different skybox. What you REALLY mean is "it isn't Star Citizen".
I’ve wanted this game for a long while but the one thing that has held me back is the lack of the “first person shooter bs”. I get it, people who play sims look down on FPS games, but I want to manage a space empire while ALSO boarding enemy ships and fighting with a plasma rifle in my hands. Without that I just get bored with the grind a bit. That’s like playing Mount and Blade but you don’t get to fight in any battles. It would be fun for a while but then get old quickly for me.
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X is THE premier space-sim series. There are no others like it. I played X3 TC and AP avidly, waited for the bugs to get sorted in X4, and it's an amazing addition.
Noobs: All you need is to work up to 1mil credits, buy an M class trade ship (Mercury Vanguard ftw), and start earning passive income.
But yes, you can build space station production facilities, assign dozens of mining and trading ships to each station, send patrol fleets anywhere, dock fighter squads on your carriers, step into one of your fighters and take off, board and capture enemy ships, build shipyards... it does everything except planetary and fps combat.
It's on sale right now so I'm thinking of buying in. X4 has been on my radar since I first heard about the game. I've heard people say it's like Mount and Blade or Kenshi in space, those are 2 of my favorite games. I never got into it because it seems so complex and the learning curve seems insane, but you know what? *FUCK IT, I'M IN.*
I have purchased the complete DLC game addons and feel like I've barely scratched the surface with my play throughs. There really is something for everyone, including the ability (with skill and a lot of luck) to hijack hostile ships after they've destroyed yours, okay I did that just the once but it was hilarious the other times I was vacuumed paste very quickly.
The lack of planets does nothing to detract from the rest of the content. In fact it would only serve as a distraction from the beauty that is space itself.
Pinging and hunting down secured lock boxes is possibly the most fun you can have outside of a mission or personal empire building. You may always choose to build up the infrastructure for other empire(s) instead of creating your own.
There are options and I don't think Egosoft are completely done with it as yet.
The fact it's single player, off line and ready to go is the most appealing. The downside is the AI. And the flight model to some extent. It's similar to Elite Dangerous but it's weird. I can't explain it sorry.
My best playthrough has been as a pirate (go figure!) other times I've left bereft, broke and aimless. I haven't tried a lot of the starting stages but all of the content you buy is available to experience you just may not get the initial introduction and setting, which is fair enough.
I've also spent money on Star Citizen & ED Odyssey. X4 represents the greatest value so far, even if I have clocked more hours in Elite Dangerous those hours were mostly wasted with the grind.
X4 is fairly easy to mod/cheat too which I would urge you to try for yourself AFTER you've put a fair amount of time in to the base game. It's useful to do when starting a free roam for a unique experience.
Have fun.
as Star Citizen active Player, X4 is just a better Game
As a registered level 4 dev on devnet for over a decade now, I have to admit I may be biased but then again, maybe not... EGOSOFT is the best of the best.
Finally someone saying what I've been thinking (about X4 foundations)...
The others may eventually become better, one day.....perhaps. Right now though X4 is where it is at, it has depth, tons of content, delivers on its promises (and many of those made by the other two) and actually works right now.
I hope Elite and Citizens will eventually become all they have promised, it's good to be hopefully. But if you want something fantastic in the genre right now, today, X4 it the realistic option.
I think X4 deserves more recognition, but I dont see the point of comparing star citizen which is a multi-player game where you can land on planet and is also fully based on players community. Dont get me wrong star citizen is bugged as hell and X4 is great and very enjoyable, I just believe they are not comparable since X4 is a solo game only about space while star citizen is only multi-player at the moment and is more than a space game.
Great review of the game. I've come to X4 from Elite Dangerous. I've started with the Young Gun scenario as I like the idea of just spawning in and being able to do exactly what I want without having to follow any guided story. I have a lot to learn, but I am enjoying it.
I just got this game today, it was on sale on STEAM for only $19 (normally $50) Its very pretty and detailed too. Ill see how it goes!
X4 is a single-player game in a world where gamers use their gaming time as their social time. Games like these need to be multiplayer, where someone in a player's group can host a server or an all-out MMO. The best space games are those that are multiplayer with the ability to play solo for those that wish to but can still chat with their player friends in the game. With technology the way it is going and people's social life, for the most part, shifting to online friends, it's in the best interest of game developers to keep that in mind.
It's also a good idea to be very cautious of games from Egosoft, they've royally shafted fan in the past with shoddy releases. Seems like they've spent 5 years trying to finish this game after release, but if Hello Games can manage it then maybe Egosoft can.
Games like these don't need to be mutliplayer because it's "a world where games use their gaming time as their social time with others" and so there are plenty of games to do that, and changing X to be multiplayer is a cost that merely makes them an also ran.
Nice job, i think this game gets overlooked constantly and i cant think of any reason beyond the learning curve is a little tough but not impossible. I think some of the control choices they made are a little unorthidox but so what? The real thing is that there is a large segment of gamers who arent interested in complexity and depth and they stick to games that cater to the lowest denominator, if you get my drift. I would wager that fans of the x series are also fans of paradox GS games and other ultra deep games like space engineers ect. Idk maybe its a matter of not having the paitence to sit down and suck at something for a little bit untill you figure it out. Anyway,great work. I look forward to more content
I watched this video out of the blue a few weeks ago. I had never heard of the X series of games before this... somehow?!
I am now a proud and happy owner of X4 foundations. This game is amazing, and I've only cracked the surface.
Thank you so much for making this video!! ❤
Try x3tc and addons. Its more primitive(10 years, you know) but have much more potential to disconnect you from real world for few weeks :)
Although this game is amazing, I can't bring my friends along with me. I don't get to build those moments in x4. For that reason, I don't believe comparing this to ED or SC is fair
I will vouch for the game. It's pretty great. My favorite part is building a large fleet and going to battle with my enemies.
I'll always be a ED player at heart. It just has the best combat of the space games I have played.
X4 is a little wonky in that regard.
However, X4 is a great game in its own right and should have a place in every space lovers library.
Really underhyped title.
Good taste bro. With Kingdom End the game is pretty much complete!
Yep, Boron ships are too beautiful to not have them in game
@@Nyxson sadly not as effective for the end game. They are a killer for fighters but capital on capital or station is weak :( they need to up the destoryer
Yeah they did an amazing job of those Boron ships, the devs are really to be commended.
I really like X4 with its expansions. But it does have its little problems, although they have improved it a lot. More than a space game, it is a space war simulation where obtaining resources and managing them is crucial to survival. Yes, you can do as you said just buy some ships and sail around trading or mining, but after 20 to 200 hours of play things get complicated that if you didn't have a strategy to create an empire and defend it you don't survive the AI that it invades all races and is modifying the economy in such a way that it is not even worth running away.
For all its flaws, the X series has been my go-to space sim since its second installation.
It's good but it's highly subjective to say it's "better" than other games. I don't get why people think they have to only play or like one game in a genre, play them all if you want there's nothing wrong with that.
I've got about 120hrs in, bought it and all the dlc on sale on green man so I got a good deal. I thought I'd like it because of it being hybrid rts and some first person stuff to visualize the world you are in rather than look at a huge map and mouse click all day. At first it was, but the horrible flight model feel and the whole travel mode and than gates/highways/accelerators, I mean seriously design a model that works for all travel distances........it just wore on me. I'm a flight sim guy so this feeling is probably not what everyone else experiences with the game.
There is no perfect space ship game and that makes me sad. But X4 is still the best one.
Uhm. X4 is very, very different from those others. I play Elite for 8 years, but I also really like X4, but play it for completely different reasons. :D
And yes, X4 needs to be promoted a lot more. I played X games before, so I kinda knew what to expect, but many newcomers see the graphics and are immediately put off because it _is_ pretty outdated. But given what X4 offers you, from mission running on your own to owning stations, fleets and empires, that's really just a minor thing. You can command and control everything you own in this game. Got a fetch quest? delegate it to an npc pilot fetching and delivering the stuff for you while you do something else... Build a factory and have your minions supply it with resources and sell your stuff automatically... Things like that. X4 is a simulation on an epic scale, from EVA to space empire.
fuck yeah, thank you man, cause thats exactly how I felt about SC and ED, I have played both... SC killed my brain with bugs and ED was so grindy and complicated that even after 500 hours I gave up. Only thing is X4 graphics look old
I have had my eye on this game for sometime, but I rarely like to buy a game I haven't watched a few good videos on first, and finding a decent youtuber for X4 is a bit challenging, (at least a series that's current/up-to-date). I may give this another look.
Give captain Collins a go. He has some really concise how-to videos.
Agreed
Avorion is a similar game to X4, but without the ship and station interiors. It does, however, allow you to build all of your ships and stations exactly how you want, using a scalable voxel system.
Egosoft's "X" series of games have gone from good (X2 in 1999.), to really, really good with the release of "X4" in October 2018.
There isn't a game I know where the sheer variety of ships that the player can actually fly is so huge.
From a small scout with just the pilot and maybe a co-pilot to the massive battleships with hundreds of people on board and enough firepower to almost take out a whole system. And if you add to this the fantastic modding community and the ships they can provide, then the list of flyable ships becomes enormous.
And if you don't want to follow the story, then don't. You start with a small fighter, maybe you have a cargo ship too, and then it's totally up to you what and where you want to goto.
I've got well over 500 hours into X4, but I've done the whole series so I dread to think the amount of days I've put into it and the times I've restarted these games just to see what would happen if I tried it a different way.
And don't get me started on building stations. Anything and everything is possible to build and if you've got the talent, which I certainly do not have, then you can build stations that can leave you in awe of their design.
I`ve tried Elite for a short time but got back to X4 (>1000h atm) and same on X3. X4 DLCs are great also. You need to try this is you like single-player space sandbox. There is a light multiplayer implementation but not essential, only for extra activities. PLUS there are tons of MODs. Have fun!
Sounds super nice, the only problem i have with it is that it has no multiplayer
That's also the best part, as you can play at your own pace.
How's performance? I've mentioned the game to a friend several times in the past and he always reminds me that it runs on an old engine that only uses a single core on your CPU, so it's anyways sub-60 frames.
Gonna have to hit you guys with a little cold water. X4 really boils down to staring at a map for 10 hours and waiting for your stations/ships to make you money so you can buy more ships and build up your station/s. By the time you get enough money, the end game lag will make you quit because managing your 10 destroyers and 2 carries becomes a nightmare. Great concept, but execution isnt great. Also yes, it has AI issues
Love the game, the only thing that ruins it for me is no land exploration.
Different starts, different playstyles, different situations, the best single player space sim.
the problem here is you are comparing a standalone single player game with MMOs. which is like comparing an apple to a pizza.