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@@StumpyNubs for those of us shopping around for used gear, it would be great to know what blower we saw in the video to get a rough idea of CFM, etc. that this is moving.
That's basically what I was looking for .. some handholding to buy a blower, which when I type it out, seems a bit silly. But that was the intent of my question. Thank you both!
@@JeanPaulConnock same here. I'm running on a 6 gallon shop-vac with a hand-made dust separator made of 5 gallon buckets. The separator works great, but nowhere near enough CFM enough to even grab the stuff I'm trying to catch coming off my table saw or radial-arm saw. Some of us have to start with the blower and go from there.
That's a great how-to video. Another option to mounting a bag under the fikter is get another 5 gallon bucket screw-on lid and do the same operation, but mount it on the underside of the filter. It'll catch anything that blows by and can easily be unscrewed to empty. Another even better option is just do a single-stage to two stage conversion with an Oneida cyclone. I appreciate the great how-to content, so keep em coming, James!
Another vote for Oneida cyclones. I have a large one and barely anything gets by it. I have just a bag on my blower and probably should get a pleated filter, but honestly so very little gets past the cyclone the bag really doesn't accumulate much. Sure its a little expensive but it sure beats fighting with clogged filters and full bags.
Add a (draw through) cyclonic collector ahead of the blower stage. Only minimal stuff makes it into the fan or filter. And filter lasts a lot longer as most debris and even dust ends up in the can of the cyclone stage.
My husband and I really enjoy your channel. I wanted to bring a young woodworker to your attention. As of 9 months ago he was still in high school. He mostly uses joinery and is so talented. His name is Josh Wright and that is also the name of his channel. I think you will be impressed by him.
I would get get a pressure gauge to keep an eye on how full your filter is. The other thing to remember is with a finer filter it will fill faster, especially with fine dust creators like sanders. I've run an Oneida air cyclone for about 10 years with HEPA filters and have to replace them about every 5 years.
Really good suggestion as well as explanation why something like this is important. Small shops or hobbiest like myself get intimidated by "proper" dust collection. It can be real easy to spend time and money to install dust collection, but if you don't do it correctly, you may still end up breathing a lot of dust. that simple flashlight test convinced me this is worth checking out
Great video. My issue with running configurations like this is the fact the filter will fill with dust and clog. Best to separate out as much as possible before the filter. This setup works to capture dust, but the filter will clog up and need to be cleaned rather quickly.
Im running two 20" "simple deluxe" industrial fans that I bought on amazon. They claim to be 4650 cfm each on high. One of them on low moves more air than a box fan on high, and it runs quieter. Its been great for keeping fine dust out and getting fresh air in when I am staining or using finishes. Well worth ~$100
Great video thanks. A large bin with bigger bag sealed on can still work well as a means of more collection volume. The bin contains it and you dump it the same way as a little bag.
Brilliant use of available components. I've built a few professional systems over the years including a 200 HP beast for an aluminum oxide grit plant but when I started building my small shop unit the biggest challenge has been finding affordable components. You can bet my final filter will follow this design to the T.
I have been using canister filters for mobile extractors when students are sanding. We use a wide collection hood on a flexible hose. Recently I noticed that after not even a year dust coming off the outside of the filter when I used the agitator handle to shake off loose dust inside. I am not sure if this cloud of dust was from inside the filter or just from atmospheric dust settling on the outside. I decided to sheath the whole thing in a Hepa filter bag for a big drum vacuum. This has improved the situation. I do aim to replace the filter at some point, but at £150 a pop and after not so much use, that can wait a bit. Great video as always :)
Thanks for this video, as it answered some of my questions. I enjoy your videos and they are so well done, without loud music or unnecessary info. You have a way of explaining things so that there is no question of what we are to do to get excellent results.
great video and a very clear explanation, I will point out that on Wynn's website that particular filter is not intended for single stage use, its intended for 2 stage systems with a cyclone separator before the blower. they have a different model filter for single stage applications that has an extra filter layer on the inside to keep chips out of the filter pleats.
Any viewer who intends to machine wood on an ongoing basis needs to adopt this level of dust protection. Most of you wouldn't dream of taking up smoking but wood flour in your lungs is at least as dangerous. Worse, the damage you do now won't become fully apparent for many years Wynnn is a genuine leader in this field, one that actually provides the protection you pay for..
On my home-made shop dust collector, I had a similar door, in my case for rectangular filter insertion. I hinged it, and used a window sash lock on the opposite side that draws it tight into the weather stripping. Much faster access than using screws.
Im only running a rigid shopvac for now 😕 I made a dust cyclone following Chris Notap's video which helped a lot. I used 2" pvc pipe/fittings and put it on a rolling base bungeed to my vacuum. Its worked well for me, saves me from having to empty out the shop vac as often, and it keeps the filter unclogged longer. The filter only gets fine particles and the rest is caught in the cyclone. I have clear flex hose on most of my machines so I can plug the cyclone into whichever im using. Some of them are joined with a Y connector and blast gates to save time always dragging it to each machine.
I have the big harbor freight dust collector, the roll around, I forget the name, wood crafter dust collector and my first real dust collector I bought about 25-30 years ago from Delta. Plus a couple of shop vacs. The big one from harbor freight is located in the lumber storage room and piped to the shop on the suck side. With the blow side piped outside. The roll around, I think it's woodtec brand? Still has the bag and is hooked to the planner and to the jointer. The smallest collector is the delta and it's in a weather proof box on the outside of the shop next to the wall that has my woodcarving desk. It sucks through the wall and blows outside. We have 3 1/2 acres so the arrangement doesn't bother anyone. The planner and joiner are more shavings than dust. Plus I'm old and getting close to the end of the trail anyway...lol.. I also use a bucket cyclone for the shop vacs.
I wonder this all the time. Even on these big UA-cam woodworking channels they have their dust collectors in their shops. Why not move them out of the shop or at least vent them out?
I always love your videos, but this one is special: I just bought a Harbor Freight dust collector with the intention of stealing the blower for a better setup. Now I know exactly what I want my setup to look like! Thank you, man! You've saved me a lot of trial, errors, and headaches.
Which one did you get? Their central machinery 70gal 2hp dust collector appears to be the best performance to price point, but im not a huge fan of CM in general. Apples to apples though, 2hp (inflated?) for $230 is cheaper than other budget brands 1hp models...
Just looking at your shop it's clear that the extra filtration is making a huge difference. It's so clean on your shelves, it almost looks like a store display
I think if you have a steady stream of fresh air in the workspace blowing out of the shop ( as suggested in the mining literature) this will deal with fine dust escaping the filter and you don’t have to do all this. If that kind of airflow is not practical ( winter) your process seems like a good option. Nice video Frank
I made a Pentz cyclone out of thick aluminum sheet metal (basically the clearvue design), and the impeller is a used Torvit 18" that I got on used on eBay. It's 5 horsepower, and a beast. I have a bin for the dust and the chips, but the fine dust isn't sent through a filter, it's ported right outside... that set up works great for me. Sure, it sucks the heat out in the winter, but my shop is a hobby and not a business, so I'm not running my collector all day, and my gas powered heater warms the garage right back up fairly quickly.
I have two identical "four bag," three horse dust collectors. Once has canister filters and the other has after-market bags. Even without test equipment, you can note a big difference in air draw between the two. The one with canisters is running through a Super Dust Deputy, but still does a bit better than the bag unit.
I’ve been using a Wynn Environmental 13F230NANO MERV 15 Flanged 34" filter for over a year now. I did my first clean out and it was really filthy with fine dust. I bang in the sides of the big can filter to shake loose dust into the catch bucket but I would call that a futile exercise. There’s just a lot of dust in the filter. I removed the filter and took it outside where I blew it out with an air compressor along a lot of banging on the sides to shake the dust loose for over an hour until I was satisfied that it was clean and mostly I was give out. I do have a dust separator in front of the Wynn filter which helps with the bigger chips and such.
I made my filter with a Wynn filter and used gamma seal kits at the top and bottom. Instead of using a bag I just use a 5 gal. bucket at the bottom. Much easier to take off and on.
Another option. I upgraded my original Delta cloth bag with a 1 micron bag from American Fabric Filter in 2003. They supplied a large diameter top bag and an impermeable cotton canvas bottom bag. The top bag is suspended from the ceiling joists by loops in my basement. Empty bottom bag when full. It was the best move I made in years. Sorry, I don’t have the receipt with the cost. I couldn’t be more pleased. A simple upgrade if you want to stick with a cloth bag. It does take some use to build an inner layer of dust to reach maximum filtration.
I've had a dust collection system for years. I thought the cloth filter captured most of the dust. I finished modifying my system today to add a filter based on your video. The amount of dust collected by the filter is a significant improvement. My lungs thank you for making this video.
I see somebody mentioned doing a remote extractor for a small shop. I was going to say similar, a good thing I read the comments. Even if the shop is not small it is a good idea. A friend has his shop in what was a detached two-car garage at a house he bought a couple years ago and he built enclosures off of the back wall. We'd talked about this long ago. One is built at one end of the back wall and houses his dust collector and the other one is a good 20' from the other at the other end of the back wall and houses his air compressor. No airborne dust in the shop from his dust collector and the exhaust stirring up the air and the air compressor encloser has sound deadening foam in it...he recently bought a MUCH quieter compressor, you can't hear it at all in the shop. Both add-ons are accessible outside. I'm sending him the link for this video, even with the remote extractor he may want to do this filter set-up.
Great video. I like your approach to the dust problem. I have looked at the filter from your links and couldn’t find the micron size of particles it filtered. But your flashlight test looked good visually. Thanks again for the video.
IF your dust collector bags don't seal well, you may be able to use the self adhesive foam gasket material used between campers and pickup beds. My "properly sized" bags always had spots where dust formed on the outside of the collector at different places. Adding the 2" wide gasket material to the metal of the collector went a long ways to cranking up the seal on any bag to collector connection.
Without a doubt these filters are a drastic upgrade and so much better than the bag. Absolutely not debating that at all. The upgrade made is 100% worth it. However I have found the bag filters are designed to get better the more they’re used. I know the Wynn filters will absolutely beat the bag every time, but I’d like to see a well used bag filter vs the Wynn.
Filter bags do rely upon a crust of dust to improve filtration, but that only further restricts airflow. And even then the level of filtration isn't great, and they still pump clouds of dust into the air.
wow what a great video on the way to improve dust collecting, i have been having problems with collecting cedar dust with a bag system. i will be imediately changing to the filter system, thank you for this great video
Another great video, good timing as I’m currently trying to design a dust extractor/collector for my garage workshop. I live in Chesterfield, Derbyshire in England and over here, the availability and cost of the system components is not as good as it is for you in America. I’m going to start with a shop vac with a cyclone separator but plan to build a larger dust collection system later this year but still want to use a larger Cyclone. Thanks for your inspiration. Myke
Wow. This is an excellent video. I am an avid fan, and as I have finally moved into my small shop, I especially appreciate these vids made from r my situation. I was worried about the size of dust collector I needed and now I am not. Thank you so much.
My workshop ain't a showroom, and I produce a lot of fine dust, so I efficient dust extractor is a must. It's the most used machine in the shop. But anyway woodworkers always tend to go for the cheaper ones, a couple weeks later add this add that to make it more efficient.
Having spent a career in the environmental filtration of liquids and gases I would suggest that you might want to revisit the bag option. You will find that once a sufficient coating of particulate matter lodges in the interstices of the bag fabric (a 'pre-coat') that the penetration of fines is reduced logarithmically. Additionally, a layer of table saw dust would be a more effective 'precoat' than sanding fines, as the coarser layer would effectively provide a more built-up surface area rather than a thin impermeable filtering layer. Industry typically uses bag houses for particle capture with a periodic gentle shaking restore cfm. My own experience has been up to 10,000x removal rates.
What you say does not carry over to woodworking as you think it does. Dust removal rates are only half the equation. Yes, a crust of dust inside a bag filter helps close up the pores and provide finer filtration that the clean bag would. But not anywhere near as fine and consistent as a high-grade pleated filter. And even if it did, the bag simply does not have enough surface area to encourage optimal airflow. The less air that can escape the filter, the less that can be pulled in. (By the way, that was a used bag filter with an inner crust that was pumping out all that dust at the beginning.)
Long, long age I worked at home demonstration (was supposed to be SELLING, but that never happened) of the Filter Queen brand of vacuum cleaners. We used a bright light to show no dust exiting our vacuum cleaner and all the dust exiting the homeowner's vacuum. Not a trick, we had a woven filter cone placed on a cone shaped inlet to the motor, and the air inlet and cone combination caused a rotary flow around the cone which kept the filter surface clean.
What a coincidence. I grew up with a Filter Queen vacuum. Thing was a monstrosity compared to today's vacuums. Big ass canister thing connected to a long hose and the vacuum wand. My parents had to have gotten 30 years out of that thing.
This is a great suggestion, for interior applications, but sure sure of expense for filters! Simpler mount the system on the out side the shop on the side of your building or shed, then breath easy and less noise in your shop and save your money! Ps do the same for your vacuum and air pumps !!!!!
Hola! 🖐Yet another very informative and educational video. Lots of info packed into a short presentation. The DIY options you present here are genius. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Pretty interesting indeed, James! Thanks! 😃 For now I'm running everything on a bucket, a cyclone separator and a vacuum cleaner, everything in a small kart. But some day I'm definitely going to upgrade it! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@Stumpy Nubs - thanks for sharing, these hepa filters will help protect you and your family those fine particles which will really make quality of life poor as you get older. I've used these in different forms for heavy metals, powder paint & phenolic dust so keep up the good 👍 content and promoting good working practices, safety & making it look good 🙂👍
Great content. It's good to see a nice conversion. I would highly recommend that you include a cyclone dust separator prior to the dust going into your expensive filter. Adding a cyclone separator will prolong the life of your expensive pleated filter by 5-20 times.
"Adding a cyclone separator will prolong the life of your expensive pleated filter by 5-20 times..." - That's not true at all. You can easily clean the filters over and over again. The cyclone may reduce the frequency of cleaning, but not extend the life. And the cyclone will definitely reduce your airflow on a small system like this.
@@StumpyNubs on further thought, you are right. A small system needs all the air flow it can get and likely will not be used enough to wear out the filter. I was thinking more about my system which is much larger and not at all comparable. Thanks again for the great content.
I vented my cyclone outside, so the shop stays clean. Do have a canister that I use only on the coldest days of winter. Have a blast gate to shut off the flow to outside.
I have a suggestion for an additional improvement. Add another screw on bucket lid to the bottom of your filter just like you did in the top (with the center cut out) . Then you can just screw a clear or at least, a translucent 5 gallon bucket to the bottom of the filter instead of clamping a plastic bag to it. It is a lot more convenient to empty the dust out, And a lot faster.
Good video, but you show the Wynn filter being used with the dust collector without a cyclone in front of it. Wynn expressly states on their website for the 13F230NANO filter that a cyclone MUST be used with it. From Wynn: "Note, this filter is designed to be used with Cyclone and Hybrid systems only. For Single-Stage dust collecters please choose one of the 35-series filters."
@@StumpyNubs Then they should update their website. The flanged filter you link above clearly states it is NOT intended for use in single stage (non cyclone) dust collectors. Won't this filter clog up very fast if used with a single stage dust collector?
@@rfguy8499 The only difference I am aware of between this filter and the canister they sell for putting directly on single stage dust collectors is the shape. I believe they are speaking of the style, meaning this narrow filter will not fit on a single stage dust collector without significant adaptation.
If I use this filter with the harbor freight 2np with the Oneida 4 inch cyclone before the filter does this filter have enough media to let the larger 2hp motor work effectively. I’m going for a smaller footprint and the filter diameter is smaller.
Always great info, James. I'm currently dealing with a shop-vac and Home Depot's DusTopper in our garage. We plan on moving to a new home and having a dedicated shop area where I can get some better dust collection going. I'll keep this in mind when that time comes.
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to check mine but suspect it’ll be the same result given I haven’t made any changes. Looks like the same model dust collector too.
A 3d printer would be a useful addition to anyone doing these diameter to diameter connections as long as the air doesn’t run > 120 Fahrenheit. The filter itself may be too big for most “prosumer” printers (12”x12”) but that 5” to 4” adapter would be 5 minutes in cad, 3 hours of passive printing, and $5 of TPU - a flexible filament.
Hey Stumpy, ever thought about adding a bucket on the bottom of the filter similar to how you did on the top? Especially if you have a 2-stage system w/ a cyclone, the bucket shouldn't get much dust. Screwing/unscrewing the bottom bucket seems a lot more practical than finagling with a bag and clamps. Curious to know your thoughts.
Forget filters get a cyclonic collector - better yet, build one. I’ve been using one for a couple years and the dust bag on my workshop vac system barely has a trace of dust in it… after 2 years of use. The cyclone separator is more than 99% efficient and you can just install it inline with your vac system.
Thank you very much for this video. I do wish it was broken down to cover all the fine details as well. I have very few shop tools at present kn a 6x10 foot shop which only has a single bench mounted along one 8 foot section on the left wall. No room for power tools to be mounted at all limiting me very much in how much I can accomplish. I am using the space for both hand and Drexel carving projects, your filter tips may allow me to be a bit safer breathing wise so Thank you.
wow. this is the best video I've seen on small shop dust - and I don't even know your vacuum. This is awesome and I'll be sharing with my dad who needs to up his shop dust collection game! Thanks for sharing so many great tips and tricks from your experience in your shop. I'm a happy subscriber and look forward to your great content. Thanks for sharing and please keep it up!
I’d put the whole thing inside a box (with a plexiglass window to monitor the insides) that was vented to the outside (clothes dryer ducting & fittings would work for this purpose).
That box could potentially add a lot of friction loss to the duct system. According to the Manual D worksheet, an abrubt increase in cross-sectional area is equivalent to ~40ft of duct and an abrubt decrease in cross-sectional area is equivalent to ~25ft of duct. Since the transitions are close to each other and the holes on either end are somewhat similarly sized, I'd guess that the actual pressure drop is less than that. If manufacturers of cheaper dust collectors actually published the external static pressure (pressure losses due to duct/fittings/filters/etc) at which their blowers achieve the advertised CFM, you could even calculate how to get the same performance by eliminating the box and using a smaller filter!
Personally think you should check out creating a cyclonic type filter. You may have seen the things that go on a shop vac .It spins out the solids before they reach your actual filter. Check out Donaldson filtration , they make filters for heavy equipment and explain the premise. Any craftsman such as yourself that goes through a lot of material needs more than a shop vac etc. You could probably have one 3d printed from a fellow youtuber.
He's done several videos on cyclone separators, ducting and dust collection in general and they are well worth searching for. I think he's even got a playlist on the channel home page. You Tube algorithms award immediacy however, so while there are dozens of old videos packed with valuable information on filters, cyclones, gamma seal post filter debris canisters, airflow considerations, ducting, and every other thing you need to know, they are buried in the search results if they are more than a few months old. UA-cam pretty much assumes that any video produced before last year was made in the dark ages.
Couple suggestions, never size your pipe down if you have a 4.9” connection get 5 or 6 in duct, don’t size down to 4 inch. Use another Gamma seal on the bottom of the filter and put a 5 gal bucket on the bottom instead of a plastic bag. Get a decent cyclone on the front end of your fan/blower.(again size the cyclone based on the blower duct) and you will only get a small amount of very fine dust in your collection bag/bucket. Line the plenum with scrap carpet, it will cut the blower noise down.
Couple responses: Sizing down the blower outlet does not create a bottleneck in this case because just inches away is the inlet, which is already a bottleneck at 4-inches.... Putting a cyclone in front of a small blower like this will kill your airflow. Cyclone separators require more power than a blower of this size is capable of... Noise reduction at the plenum box is pointless in this case, as well, with the blower making the bulk of the noise just a couple feet away.
That’s really nice, great video! But dang, those filters are pricey, and I thought RV canister filters were expensive. Anyone know of a place to get more budget friendly filters?
Dust collection begins at the tool (table saw in my shop). Sooz maybe you can dive deep into the total collection of the dust created by the tool (table saw). My Laguna is a fine working machine except that the cabinet becomes a sawdust hopper. They dropped the ball here ... i think and I'm deep into the 'FIX'!
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Sorry if I've missed it, but could you share the type of blower that you use in this video? Thanks!
@@JeanPaulConnock It works with any blower. If you have a question about your blower, I recommend contacting the filter company through their website.
@@StumpyNubs for those of us shopping around for used gear, it would be great to know what blower we saw in the video to get a rough idea of CFM, etc. that this is moving.
That's basically what I was looking for .. some handholding to buy a blower, which when I type it out, seems a bit silly. But that was the intent of my question. Thank you both!
@@JeanPaulConnock same here. I'm running on a 6 gallon shop-vac with a hand-made dust separator made of 5 gallon buckets. The separator works great, but nowhere near enough CFM enough to even grab the stuff I'm trying to catch coming off my table saw or radial-arm saw. Some of us have to start with the blower and go from there.
Just as expected - something new learned today. It's never a waste of time watching your content. Thank you for sharing.
You only get one set of lungs. Spending some $ and time to protect them makes extremely good sense (!) Thanks for another valuable vid on safety.
That's a great how-to video. Another option to mounting a bag under the fikter is get another 5 gallon bucket screw-on lid and do the same operation, but mount it on the underside of the filter. It'll catch anything that blows by and can easily be unscrewed to empty. Another even better option is just do a single-stage to two stage conversion with an Oneida cyclone. I appreciate the great how-to content, so keep em coming, James!
Another vote for Oneida cyclones. I have a large one and barely anything gets by it. I have just a bag on my blower and probably should get a pleated filter, but honestly so very little gets past the cyclone the bag really doesn't accumulate much. Sure its a little expensive but it sure beats fighting with clogged filters and full bags.
Add a (draw through) cyclonic collector ahead of the blower stage. Only minimal stuff makes it into the fan or filter. And filter lasts a lot longer as most debris and even dust ends up in the can of the cyclone stage.
Sccrolled down to look for this comment. :) I felt my wallet thinning out seeing dust fall directly into that large, and I assume expensive, filter.
The contact cement tip was great! I’ve got a decent single stage setup and positioning that bag is the pits!
My husband and I really enjoy your channel. I wanted to bring a young woodworker to your attention. As of 9 months ago he was still in high school. He mostly uses joinery and is so talented. His name is Josh Wright and that is also the name of his channel. I think you will be impressed by him.
I have watched so very many of your videos, but this one really makes me appreciate your great common sense and engineering skills.
I would get get a pressure gauge to keep an eye on how full your filter is. The other thing to remember is with a finer filter it will fill faster, especially with fine dust creators like sanders. I've run an Oneida air cyclone for about 10 years with HEPA filters and have to replace them about every 5 years.
I like a small clear vinyl hose with a u-shape and colored water for a pressure indicator.
Really good suggestion as well as explanation why something like this is important. Small shops or hobbiest like myself get intimidated by "proper" dust collection. It can be real easy to spend time and money to install dust collection, but if you don't do it correctly, you may still end up breathing a lot of dust. that simple flashlight test convinced me this is worth checking out
Great video. My issue with running configurations like this is the fact the filter will fill with dust and clog. Best to separate out as much as possible before the filter. This setup works to capture dust, but the filter will clog up and need to be cleaned rather quickly.
Im running two 20" "simple deluxe" industrial fans that I bought on amazon. They claim to be 4650 cfm each on high. One of them on low moves more air than a box fan on high, and it runs quieter. Its been great for keeping fine dust out and getting fresh air in when I am staining or using finishes. Well worth ~$100
Great video thanks.
A large bin with bigger bag sealed on can still work well as a means of more collection volume. The bin contains it and you dump it the same way as a little bag.
Brilliant use of available components. I've built a few professional systems over the years including a 200 HP beast for an aluminum oxide grit plant but when I started building my small shop unit the biggest challenge has been finding affordable components. You can bet my final filter will follow this design to the T.
I have been using canister filters for mobile extractors when students are sanding. We use a wide collection hood on a flexible hose. Recently I noticed that after not even a year dust coming off the outside of the filter when I used the agitator handle to shake off loose dust inside. I am not sure if this cloud of dust was from inside the filter or just from atmospheric dust settling on the outside. I decided to sheath the whole thing in a Hepa filter bag for a big drum vacuum. This has improved the situation. I do aim to replace the filter at some point, but at £150 a pop and after not so much use, that can wait a bit. Great video as always :)
Thanks for this video, as it answered some of my questions. I enjoy your videos and they are so well done, without loud music or unnecessary info. You have a way of explaining things so that there is no question of what we are to do to get excellent results.
great video and a very clear explanation, I will point out that on Wynn's website that particular filter is not intended for single stage use, its intended for 2 stage systems with a cyclone separator before the blower. they have a different model filter for single stage applications that has an extra filter layer on the inside to keep chips out of the filter pleats.
Any viewer who intends to machine wood on an ongoing basis needs to adopt this level of dust protection. Most of you wouldn't dream of taking up smoking but wood flour in your lungs is at least as dangerous. Worse, the damage you do now won't become fully apparent for many years Wynnn is a genuine leader in this field, one that actually provides the protection you pay for..
I am amazed at how you figured out how to connect all those components.
On my home-made shop dust collector, I had a similar door, in my case for rectangular filter insertion. I hinged it, and used a window sash lock on the opposite side that draws it tight into the weather stripping. Much faster access than using screws.
Im only running a rigid shopvac for now 😕 I made a dust cyclone following Chris Notap's video which helped a lot. I used 2" pvc pipe/fittings and put it on a rolling base bungeed to my vacuum. Its worked well for me, saves me from having to empty out the shop vac as often, and it keeps the filter unclogged longer. The filter only gets fine particles and the rest is caught in the cyclone. I have clear flex hose on most of my machines so I can plug the cyclone into whichever im using. Some of them are joined with a Y connector and blast gates to save time always dragging it to each machine.
I have the big harbor freight dust collector, the roll around, I forget the name, wood crafter dust collector and my first real dust collector I bought about 25-30 years ago from Delta. Plus a couple of shop vacs. The big one from harbor freight is located in the lumber storage room and piped to the shop on the suck side. With the blow side piped outside. The roll around, I think it's woodtec brand? Still has the bag and is hooked to the planner and to the jointer. The smallest collector is the delta and it's in a weather proof box on the outside of the shop next to the wall that has my woodcarving desk. It sucks through the wall and blows outside. We have 3 1/2 acres so the arrangement doesn't bother anyone. The planner and joiner are more shavings than dust. Plus I'm old and getting close to the end of the trail anyway...lol.. I also use a bucket cyclone for the shop vacs.
I wonder this all the time. Even on these big UA-cam woodworking channels they have their dust collectors in their shops. Why not move them out of the shop or at least vent them out?
I always love your videos, but this one is special: I just bought a Harbor Freight dust collector with the intention of stealing the blower for a better setup. Now I know exactly what I want my setup to look like! Thank you, man! You've saved me a lot of trial, errors, and headaches.
Which one did you get? Their central machinery 70gal 2hp dust collector appears to be the best performance to price point, but im not a huge fan of CM in general. Apples to apples though, 2hp (inflated?) for $230 is cheaper than other budget brands 1hp models...
Just looking at your shop it's clear that the extra filtration is making a huge difference. It's so clean on your shelves, it almost looks like a store display
I think if you have a steady stream of fresh air in the workspace blowing out of the shop ( as suggested in the mining literature) this will deal with fine dust escaping the filter and you don’t have to do all this.
If that kind of airflow is not practical ( winter) your process seems like a good option.
Nice video
Frank
That will certainly improve air quality in the shop. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.
I made a Pentz cyclone out of thick aluminum sheet metal (basically the clearvue design), and the impeller is a used Torvit 18" that I got on used on eBay. It's 5 horsepower, and a beast. I have a bin for the dust and the chips, but the fine dust isn't sent through a filter, it's ported right outside... that set up works great for me. Sure, it sucks the heat out in the winter, but my shop is a hobby and not a business, so I'm not running my collector all day, and my gas powered heater warms the garage right back up fairly quickly.
I have two identical "four bag," three horse dust collectors. Once has canister filters and the other has after-market bags. Even without test equipment, you can note a big difference in air draw between the two. The one with canisters is running through a Super Dust Deputy, but still does a bit better than the bag unit.
first the video on square nails and now this informative and complete ,thankyou.
I never stop learning from you, James! I have been wanting to upgrade from a shop vac for years. This is what I needed to make the plunge.
I’ve been using a Wynn Environmental 13F230NANO MERV 15 Flanged 34" filter for over a year now. I did my first clean out and it was really filthy with fine dust. I bang in the sides of the big can filter to shake loose dust into the catch bucket but I would call that a futile exercise. There’s just a lot of dust in the filter. I removed the filter and took it outside where I blew it out with an air compressor along a lot of banging on the sides to shake the dust loose for over an hour until I was satisfied that it was clean and mostly I was give out. I do have a dust separator in front of the Wynn filter which helps with the bigger chips and such.
The air should be blown from the outside. ua-cam.com/video/zuf1G2n4ldc/v-deo.html
@@StumpyNubsThat’s what I did. It’s just a long process with only a 20 gallon air compressor.
I made my filter with a Wynn filter and used gamma seal kits at the top and bottom. Instead of using a bag I just use a 5 gal. bucket at the bottom. Much easier to take off and on.
Another option. I upgraded my original Delta cloth bag with a 1 micron bag from American Fabric Filter in 2003. They supplied a large diameter top bag and an impermeable cotton canvas bottom bag. The top bag is suspended from the ceiling joists by loops in my basement. Empty bottom bag when full. It was the best move I made in years. Sorry, I don’t have the receipt with the cost. I couldn’t be more pleased. A simple upgrade if you want to stick with a cloth bag. It does take some use to build an inner layer of dust to reach maximum filtration.
I have always found your videos very informative and excellently presented. Thank you for them.
I've had a dust collection system for years. I thought the cloth filter captured most of the dust. I finished modifying my system today to add a filter based on your video. The amount of dust collected by the filter is a significant improvement. My lungs thank you for making this video.
I see somebody mentioned doing a remote extractor for a small shop. I was going to say similar, a good thing I read the comments. Even if the shop is not small it is a good idea. A friend has his shop in what was a detached two-car garage at a house he bought a couple years ago and he built enclosures off of the back wall. We'd talked about this long ago. One is built at one end of the back wall and houses his dust collector and the other one is a good 20' from the other at the other end of the back wall and houses his air compressor. No airborne dust in the shop from his dust collector and the exhaust stirring up the air and the air compressor encloser has sound deadening foam in it...he recently bought a MUCH quieter compressor, you can't hear it at all in the shop. Both add-ons are accessible outside. I'm sending him the link for this video, even with the remote extractor he may want to do this filter set-up.
Very well done on the use of the 5 gallon bucket! Never would have thought to use one of those.
Thanks so much for your very informative design, parts and assembly of the dust collection system.
I like big filters and I cannot lie.
Great video. I'm building a small shop, and this modification will be an excellent way to keep it clean.
Great video. I like your approach to the dust problem. I have looked at the filter from your links and couldn’t find the micron size of particles it filtered. But your flashlight test looked good visually. Thanks again for the video.
Stumpy Nubs is the Super Hero of wood working
IF your dust collector bags don't seal well, you may be able to use the self adhesive foam gasket material used between campers and pickup beds. My "properly sized" bags always had spots where dust formed on the outside of the collector at different places. Adding the 2" wide gasket material to the metal of the collector went a long ways to cranking up the seal on any bag to collector connection.
Without a doubt these filters are a drastic upgrade and so much better than the bag. Absolutely not debating that at all. The upgrade made is 100% worth it. However I have found the bag filters are designed to get better the more they’re used. I know the Wynn filters will absolutely beat the bag every time, but I’d like to see a well used bag filter vs the Wynn.
Filter bags do rely upon a crust of dust to improve filtration, but that only further restricts airflow. And even then the level of filtration isn't great, and they still pump clouds of dust into the air.
I like big canister filters and I cannot lie, sounds like a song I once heard.
wow what a great video on the way to improve dust collecting, i have been having problems with collecting cedar dust with a bag system. i will be imediately changing to the filter system, thank you for this great video
Great video, just the right amount of detail and narration.
Another great video, good timing as I’m currently trying to design a dust extractor/collector for my garage workshop. I live in Chesterfield, Derbyshire in England and over here, the availability and cost of the system components is not as good as it is for you in America.
I’m going to start with a shop vac with a cyclone separator but plan to build a larger dust collection system later this year but still want to use a larger Cyclone.
Thanks for your inspiration.
Myke
Wow. This is an excellent video. I am an avid fan, and as I have finally moved into my small shop, I especially appreciate these vids made from r my situation. I was worried about the size of dust collector I needed and now I am not. Thank you so much.
My workshop ain't a showroom, and I produce a lot of fine dust, so I efficient dust extractor is a must.
It's the most used machine in the shop.
But anyway woodworkers always tend to go for the cheaper ones, a couple weeks later add this add that to make it more efficient.
Having spent a career in the environmental filtration of liquids and gases I would suggest that you might want to revisit the bag option. You will find that once a sufficient coating of particulate matter lodges in the interstices of the bag fabric (a 'pre-coat') that the penetration of fines is reduced logarithmically. Additionally, a layer of table saw dust would be a more effective 'precoat' than sanding fines, as the coarser layer would effectively provide a more built-up surface area rather than a thin impermeable filtering layer. Industry typically uses bag houses for particle capture with a periodic gentle shaking restore cfm. My own experience has been up to 10,000x removal rates.
What you say does not carry over to woodworking as you think it does. Dust removal rates are only half the equation. Yes, a crust of dust inside a bag filter helps close up the pores and provide finer filtration that the clean bag would. But not anywhere near as fine and consistent as a high-grade pleated filter. And even if it did, the bag simply does not have enough surface area to encourage optimal airflow. The less air that can escape the filter, the less that can be pulled in. (By the way, that was a used bag filter with an inner crust that was pumping out all that dust at the beginning.)
Long, long age I worked at home demonstration (was supposed to be SELLING, but that never happened) of the Filter Queen brand of vacuum cleaners. We used a bright light to show no dust exiting our vacuum cleaner and all the dust exiting the homeowner's vacuum. Not a trick, we had a woven filter cone placed on a cone shaped inlet to the motor, and the air inlet and cone combination caused a rotary flow around the cone which kept the filter surface clean.
What a coincidence. I grew up with a Filter Queen vacuum. Thing was a monstrosity compared to today's vacuums. Big ass canister thing connected to a long hose and the vacuum wand. My parents had to have gotten 30 years out of that thing.
This is a great suggestion, for interior applications, but sure sure of expense for filters!
Simpler mount the system on the out side the shop on the side of your building or shed, then breath easy and less noise in your shop and save your money! Ps do the same for your vacuum and air pumps !!!!!
Hola! 🖐Yet another very informative and educational video. Lots of info packed into a short presentation. The DIY options you present here are genius. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
Pretty interesting indeed, James! Thanks! 😃
For now I'm running everything on a bucket, a cyclone separator and a vacuum cleaner, everything in a small kart. But some day I'm definitely going to upgrade it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I like big canisters I cannot lie!
That sounded better in my head...
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@Stumpy Nubs - thanks for sharing, these hepa filters will help protect you and your family those fine particles which will really make quality of life poor as you get older. I've used these in different forms for heavy metals, powder paint & phenolic dust so keep up the good 👍 content and promoting good working practices, safety & making it look good 🙂👍
Great content. It's good to see a nice conversion.
I would highly recommend that you include a cyclone dust separator prior to the dust going into your expensive filter. Adding a cyclone separator will prolong the life of your expensive pleated filter by 5-20 times.
"Adding a cyclone separator will prolong the life of your expensive pleated filter by 5-20 times..." - That's not true at all. You can easily clean the filters over and over again. The cyclone may reduce the frequency of cleaning, but not extend the life. And the cyclone will definitely reduce your airflow on a small system like this.
@@StumpyNubs on further thought, you are right. A small system needs all the air flow it can get and likely will not be used enough to wear out the filter.
I was thinking more about my system which is much larger and not at all comparable.
Thanks again for the great content.
I put mine on the outside of the wall in a small shed. It's much quieter too.
I vented my cyclone outside, so the shop stays clean. Do have a canister that I use only on the coldest days of winter. Have a blast gate to shut off the flow to outside.
Excellent video. Makes me really want a dust collector system to add this filter to. I will put this to use in my shop for sure. Thank you!
What you did with the gamma seal for the top can be done at the bottom as well to replace the dust bag with a bucket.
This channel doesn't make a single bad video,been subd for years and years!
I have a suggestion for an additional improvement. Add another screw on bucket lid to the bottom of your filter just like you did in the top (with the center cut out) . Then you can just screw a clear or at least, a translucent 5 gallon bucket to the bottom of the filter instead of clamping a plastic bag to it. It is a lot more convenient to empty the dust out, And a lot faster.
That's a sweet canister filter!
Good video, but you show the Wynn filter being used with the dust collector without a cyclone in front of it. Wynn expressly states on their website for the 13F230NANO filter that a cyclone MUST be used with it. From Wynn: "Note, this filter is designed to be used with Cyclone and Hybrid systems only. For Single-Stage dust collecters please choose one of the 35-series filters."
Wynn commissioned this video and requested it be used exactly as I used it. Maybe ask them what they mean by that.
@@StumpyNubs Then they should update their website. The flanged filter you link above clearly states it is NOT intended for use in single stage (non cyclone) dust collectors. Won't this filter clog up very fast if used with a single stage dust collector?
@@rfguy8499 The only difference I am aware of between this filter and the canister they sell for putting directly on single stage dust collectors is the shape. I believe they are speaking of the style, meaning this narrow filter will not fit on a single stage dust collector without significant adaptation.
If I use this filter with the harbor freight 2np with the Oneida 4 inch cyclone before the filter does this filter have enough media to let the larger 2hp motor work effectively. I’m going for a smaller footprint and the filter diameter is smaller.
@@tkoebb I believe so, but I would ask the manufacturer. They have a contact link on their website.
I love your channel. All your videos are consistent, pragmatic and well detailed.
Keep up the good work, you're great.
Always great info, James. I'm currently dealing with a shop-vac and Home Depot's DusTopper in our garage. We plan on moving to a new home and having a dedicated shop area where I can get some better dust collection going. I'll keep this in mind when that time comes.
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to check mine but suspect it’ll be the same result given I haven’t made any changes. Looks like the same model dust collector too.
A 3d printer would be a useful addition to anyone doing these diameter to diameter connections as long as the air doesn’t run > 120 Fahrenheit.
The filter itself may be too big for most “prosumer” printers (12”x12”) but that 5” to 4” adapter would be 5 minutes in cad, 3 hours of passive printing, and $5 of TPU - a flexible filament.
Hey Stumpy, ever thought about adding a bucket on the bottom of the filter similar to how you did on the top? Especially if you have a 2-stage system w/ a cyclone, the bucket shouldn't get much dust. Screwing/unscrewing the bottom bucket seems a lot more practical than finagling with a bag and clamps. Curious to know your thoughts.
I love those gamma seal lids.
Forget filters get a cyclonic collector - better yet, build one. I’ve been using one for a couple years and the dust bag on my workshop vac system barely has a trace of dust in it… after 2 years of use. The cyclone separator is more than 99% efficient and you can just install it inline with your vac system.
Such a wonderful upgrade for dust collection. Thank you for sharing
Incredible design and tutorial!
Thank you very much for this video. I do wish it was broken down to cover all the fine details as well. I have very few shop tools at present kn a 6x10 foot shop which only has a single bench mounted along one 8 foot section on the left wall. No room for power tools to be mounted at all limiting me very much in how much I can accomplish. I am using the space for both hand and Drexel carving projects, your filter tips may allow me to be a bit safer breathing wise so Thank you.
Very informative, great video. How would you incorporate a cyclone with this set up?
I always get so much good information from your videos. Thanks!
wow. this is the best video I've seen on small shop dust - and I don't even know your vacuum. This is awesome and I'll be sharing with my dad who needs to up his shop dust collection game! Thanks for sharing so many great tips and tricks from your experience in your shop. I'm a happy subscriber and look forward to your great content. Thanks for sharing and please keep it up!
Thanks for the great video James 👍 You are a great teacher.
I like big canister filters and I can not lie....
You don't hear a lot of Sir Mixalot references these days...
Nice, helpful video. Will incorporate this system into my shop. Very much appreciated!!
I’d put the whole thing inside a box (with a plexiglass window to monitor the insides) that was vented to the outside (clothes dryer ducting & fittings would work for this purpose).
Excellent work James.
That box could potentially add a lot of friction loss to the duct system. According to the Manual D worksheet, an abrubt increase in cross-sectional area is equivalent to ~40ft of duct and an abrubt decrease in cross-sectional area is equivalent to ~25ft of duct. Since the transitions are close to each other and the holes on either end are somewhat similarly sized, I'd guess that the actual pressure drop is less than that.
If manufacturers of cheaper dust collectors actually published the external static pressure (pressure losses due to duct/fittings/filters/etc) at which their blowers achieve the advertised CFM, you could even calculate how to get the same performance by eliminating the box and using a smaller filter!
We can sit here and debate it on paper, or I can just build one and tell you it works :)
How about a video on what you can do with sawdust. Ways to keep it out of the landfill.
Very good video, I all ways hated the fine dust in my basement. But $225 for the filter is out of my price range.
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Always look forward to your content James. Thank you so much for this one that I will definitely be using in the near future!
Love your work mate, I'm learning a lot about setting up a workshop and not doing myself a mischief with the tools :)
Personally think you should check out creating a cyclonic type filter. You may have seen the things that go on a shop vac .It spins out the solids before they reach your actual filter. Check out Donaldson filtration , they make filters for heavy equipment and explain the premise. Any craftsman such as yourself that goes through a lot of material needs more than a shop vac etc. You could probably have one 3d printed from a fellow youtuber.
I think this video was aimed at an economical solution for a small home shop
@@jack5402 Yeah those cyclonic things are cheap and can be adapted easily .
He's done several videos on cyclone separators, ducting and dust collection in general and they are well worth searching for. I think he's even got a playlist on the channel home page. You Tube algorithms award immediacy however, so while there are dozens of old videos packed with valuable information on filters, cyclones, gamma seal post filter debris canisters, airflow considerations, ducting, and every other thing you need to know, they are buried in the search results if they are more than a few months old. UA-cam pretty much assumes that any video produced before last year was made in the dark ages.
@@christopherdahle9985 Cool thank you sir !
That makes a lot of sense!!! I didn't think about it!!!! Thank You!!!!! 👊🤔👍😎😃
If you needed to remove the filter more easily install studs and use wing nuts. That wood be cool.
Excellent work! Thank you.
Couple suggestions, never size your pipe down if you have a 4.9” connection get 5 or 6 in duct, don’t size down to 4 inch. Use another Gamma seal on the bottom of the filter and put a 5 gal bucket on the bottom instead of a plastic bag. Get a decent cyclone on the front end of your fan/blower.(again size the cyclone based on the blower duct) and you will only get a small amount of very fine dust in your collection bag/bucket. Line the plenum with scrap carpet, it will cut the blower noise down.
Couple responses: Sizing down the blower outlet does not create a bottleneck in this case because just inches away is the inlet, which is already a bottleneck at 4-inches.... Putting a cyclone in front of a small blower like this will kill your airflow. Cyclone separators require more power than a blower of this size is capable of... Noise reduction at the plenum box is pointless in this case, as well, with the blower making the bulk of the noise just a couple feet away.
Great video, I want to something similar with my Harbor Freight extractor. Where did you find the coupling for the intake side? Thanks
That’s really nice, great video! But dang, those filters are pricey, and I thought RV canister filters were expensive. Anyone know of a place to get more budget friendly filters?
Excellent idea. Could you also use a cyclone before the filter to lessen the particles getting into the filter/bag assembly?
You could if you wanted to. But cyclones reduce overall airflow, so you may lose some suction.
Dust collection begins at the tool (table saw in my shop). Sooz maybe you can dive deep into the total collection of the dust created by the tool (table saw). My Laguna is a fine working machine except that the cabinet becomes a sawdust hopper. They dropped the ball here ... i think and I'm deep into the 'FIX'!
I dont even have a dust collector in my shop as i do all my work on the driveway....but damn....im thinking i might do this