The Makita Dust Box is, in fact, meant to be used when you are unable to connect a shop vac to your saw. It is basically a superior version of a dust bag. And, yes, it is great at that for those who want another option. It's downside is that it's a clunky thing hanging off of an already long mitre saw, so tends to be unwieldy and just gets in the way. That's why I sold my Dust Box long before I sold the saw it was meant for. Cheers.
i've been using that six gallon Dewalt separator for a few months now, and it's perfect for my DIY garage workshop. Using it with miter and table saws, the 735 planer, router table, sanders. I use it for everything, was a solid purchase. Loaned it to neighbor that uses his own table saw frequently, and now he wants to buy his own.
for driling a hole in the wall - i use painters tape. Just stick a peace in kinda U shaped nest under the hole and most of the dust sticks to the tape. By mindfully pealing the tape off you can leave 99% of the dust on the tape.
I hadn't seen the boom arm before... will have to check that out. The best dust collector when you only have to make one or two holes in drywall: a folded post-it note. Gravity FTW!
For the drill dust collector, just use a paper envelope and a piece of blue tape. Open up the envelope and use the tape to attach it over or below the hole location. Then the drill dust falls into the envelope.
@@dgale1023 yup and lunch bags and blue tape works great. for smoke detectors i use the clear plastic package it comes in and drill through it.. makes a great dust catcher
My auto switches have an override switch to just turn it on. On-Off-Auto. Best of both worlds. They also support two tools each. I don't want a remote, I will just end up spending hours looking for the silly thing.
I use dust deputy 2.5s in my shop and they're amazing. One at my main shop vac setup, one at the CNC. Extremely efficient. I remember when dewalt launched their version, they also have a steel drum variant. Not a bad buy if you're looking for a plug and play solution. Not quite as efficient as the DD 2.5 though. I use both types of auto switches in my shop. I like the auto one for hand or table routing. The remote switch is handy to keep attached to the end of the vac hose (like the festool remote) for around the shop cleanup. I have the big milwaukee version of those wall dust vac attachments but really want a smaller one like you used in this video. They do the job very well. Previously I used the ol' tape a bag to the wall system and it worked well enough. That silicone boot thing is a gimmick; the bag method works just as well and is free. The mullet boom arm is convenient, but ultimately a gimmick for me. The same can be accomplished for far less money. Mullet in general is far overpriced for what they offer. They must think they're the festool of the dust collection world... At the drill press, loc line is a great option. I have the bosch version of that cen tec hose and it's been great, but the festool dust extractor was definitely one of the best upgrades I made for my shop. And yeah, a quality sander is a game changer. I first bought the ets ec 150/5 and then the rts 400. Amazing sanders, and an ro 90 is on my short list. Thanks for this video, excellent points made.
Hi Travis, i use a 4 pint plastic Milk Carton cut in half for my Indoor Drilling Holes, the bottom of the Carton i tape with Blue Masking Tape on the wall just under the hole to be drilled, and all the Dust settles in the Carton. As an added extra because the top part has a Funnel Shape that the Milk is poured from, this becomes ideal to use to top up your Glue Bottle so as to not spill it everywhere it works great, as long as whatever you want to pour into is slightly bigger than the neck of the Funnel, if you keep the Lid you can screw that back onto the Funnel then you can use that to fill a bit with Water or White Spirit to clean your Paint Brushes. The Cen-Tec Dust Hose with attached Fittings is great we have had that in the UK for a while now, you can buy more Hose Ends and Clips to add to the collection. Brilliant. Take Care and Stay Safe, Barry (UK) 👍
That Delmar is just a cheap knock off of a Dustopper. I use the Dustopper PRO with a 14-gallon drum and don't need anything else for dust collection. Just wheel it around with my vacuum. I get the vast majority of the dust collected before the filter, so no complaints here. That DeWalt is expensive!! My setup is half the cost with more collection space and efficiency.
A few comments: 1) the auto vacuum switch - my problem is that if I have to turn on the vacuum, I forget, thereby negating the whole point - hence the auto switch 2) the dust collection boom - WEN makes a '2.5" x 36" Flexible dust hose' (model DCA018) that appears like a normal ribbed hose, but when you bend it, it stays fixed where you bend it. It doesn't do everything that your boom does, but, for instance, I clamped one on my drill press, and I can position it right next to the bit when I'm drilling, and it stays there. It's much cheaper than the boom ($11.96.) 3) Sanding and dust extraction - I know everyone complains about how expensive Festool tools are, but something that many apparently don't know is that ALL Festool tools are designed around dust collection - perhaps even before anything else. This is because if you're a contractor, superior dust collection can save you a bunch of clean-up time especially if you're working indoors. Festool sanders have been leaving zero dust behind for years, and you don't have to buy a dedicated system in order to get what Festool already gives you on ALL their tools.
I had just purchased the DeWalt 10 gallon dust separator because my Dust Right of 10 years developed cracks in the lid So far, works great. 6 months of use will tell the real story. I also have number 6, great hose and connection system.
Totally agree on your point of "bigger is better." A true cyclone separator will outperform any of the versions that simply just spin the air at the top of the open-to-the-bottom canister/pale. You need to put a large one in front of your wall mounted Rockler. I looked at a smaller separator and a shop vac that I could move to the tool in use, but decided I was better off putting the time and money into running DWV piping in the shop that goes back to a Oneida Dust Deputy Cyclone XL in front of my Grizzly 1250 CFM. Never looked back. It works like a dream and catches 99% of everything before it makes it to the Grizzly dust collector... I almost never have to change its bag. Not having to move each time I use a different tool it is a huge improvement.
Dust catcher- just 3D print a nozzle for your hand vac- I use a Bosch 12v mini-vac, and use a nozzle that fits around the hole. See Thingiverse for the download. Vac connect- I standardized on the DeWalt Air-Lock system. You can easily make the tool end connectors out of waste pipe adapters, or just 3D print them. Best system on the market- locked on but can rotate.
I use the automatic vacuum device for my table saw, planer and jointer, for those devices it works fantastically; I can only see using it with a miter saw if the saw is enclosed or partially enclosed in a hood or something.
I have a shop vac based dust collection system in my small shop. I was originally using a dust topper from home Depot, and it works pretty well. Then my buddy gave me his dust deputy, and the improvement in performance is definitely noticeable.
When I'm drilling a one-off hole in (a vertical surface of) the house I use some blue tape and a sheet of paper to build a catch trough below the hole. If you've ever tried something like this by taping an edge to the wall curved to make a scoop shape, you know it only delays the mess until you try to remove the paper. The trick is to fold it lengthways about 1/4 of the way on both sides and then tuck a corner halfway down each side (like wrapping corners of a gift) so what you're left with is sort of like a corner brace that might reinforce a 2x4 butt joint (but lacking a crease at the corner). Tape one side to the wall and the mess will gather in the trough created by the other sagging side. This trick will also work for larger access holes, which I make circular because the repair job afterward is easier and comes out better.
I got an Oneida Air Systems Dust Deputy 2.5 cyclone separator last week and paired it with my Rigid shop vac. After cleaning a 6 month pile of sawdust from behind the table saw and vacuuming the rest of the shop floor including crumbling concrete, the shop vac is virtually empty and the filter only has a little dust on it! Never believed it would work so well. It is somewhat difficult to drag around so I may get the 32’ hose for that vac and park the thing in a corner. For what shop vac filters cost, and pain cleaning them this type of separator is a necessity!
Wicked video. Super helpful. For future ones throw a price up on the screen it would be helpful (I know you gave rough estimates of prices) just makes it easier to see the value. And I wish there was a way to USA and Canada links (without you having to post two separate links in your description) anyways loved the videos. Keep em coming so creative. I love woodworking but funny enough I bought a 3D printer and have been loving all of your 3D stuff. The fact you do woodworking videos is a solid bonus.
This is probably a silly question… The DeWalt vacuum with the cyclone separator on top…. Isn’t the purpose of a separator is to keep (most) of the dust/particles out of the vacuum??? Appears to me the separator empties directly into the vacuum (??)
BTW, that Dust Right separator, which would be a great buy if I were in the US, sells for 300 freakn Canadian dollars, which jokes aside, is waay more than the $120USD after conversation.
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My shop dust collection accessory mvps are the Drillnado for my drill press, it legitimately handles 100% of shavings. I also made an overhead dust collection/blade guard for my table saw that is incredible. You can’t use it for everything and definitely not with most sleds or jigs, but ripping plywood or mdf it gets practically everything
I have one of those bucket cyclones separators. I got it at Home Depot - it’s a small gadget that fits on top of the Home Depot bucket. I don’t know why you’re saying they’re not good because mine keeps all the dust and chunks out of the vacuum cleaner filter - except, of course, for the very fine particles which are filtered out by the HEPA filter in the vacuum. The only problem I see with them is that they need to be emptied more often than the larger units - of course. I have used mine now for over six months and the vacuum filter still looks almost new. Not sure where you are getting your information but the effectiveness of one of those bucket filters has been empirically demonstrated to be extremely effective (to my total satisfaction). As a matter fact, it’s really quite surprising how well it works. I would probably not recommend it for a high-volume commercial service because of the bucket’s capacity. I’ve only emptied mine once and it really didn’t need it - it was just a show somebody very well it works. ALSO - I do like the fact that you have separate units for separate workstations, such as saw and router etc. That’s really a good idea and would actually lend itself to using the bucket type even more.
The issue with the 5-gallon bucket lid style separators, such as the Dustopper, is the fine dust you mentioned. Yes, this fine dust is captured by the vacuum's filter. But, that means the filter will become clogged with the fine dust, reducing the vacuum's efficiency over time. The purpose of a dust separator is to prevent the vacuum's filter from becoming clogged, which the Dustopper doesn't do nearly as well as the Dust Deputy. This doesn't mean that a Dustopper isn't worthwhile. It will reduce the amount of fine dust that reaches the vacuum's filter, increasing the amount of time you can use the vacuum without needing to clean the filter. So, it helps. Just not as much as a true cyclone, such as the Dust Deputy. As our host said, the lid-style separators are best reserved for instances where space is factor. You'll just need to clean the filter more often. One last tip: Empty the dust collection bucket often. Never let it get more than 1/2 full. If you let it fill more than that, the fine dust won't have enough room to settle out of the vacuum's air flow and will be sucked up into the filter. That's true for both styles of separator!
I have auto vacuum switches for my table saw, and for my milling station, and for my band saw. All of those are constant-use (generally) when using them, vs. the miter saw that's used like 3 seconds at a time.
I wish I bought the anti static version of the Centech hose. I use it a lot but several times I’ve felt it generate a strong static field. Something worth considering.
For the dust extractor remote; in Canada some of the cheaper products are less available, so I got a couple of the “outdoor outlet switch”, they are often sold with Christmas lights/for block heaters and are usually $10-15, cheapest option I found and works great.
Never knew DeWalt made a dust separator. Gotta admit though you had me confused with your comment that it catches way more than the other style. I have the Dustopper on a Home Depot bucket and basically nothing makes it into my shop vacuum. Now if you run it to full yes it'll suck things up but that's user error tbh. Every option has to be emptied at some point. The only time I messed up is the first time I used my planer, I wasn't prepared for how much wood those things spew out and had to empty the bucket and vacuum when I noticed the sound of the vacuum change.
The silicone dust boot is just a fancy version of a spray paint cap or bottle cap, or literally any plastic cup that you don't care about. I've even used trimmed down styrofoam and red solo cups to to the same thing, especially overhead drilling. Just drill through the bottom of the cup, hold it against the surface and drill.
Where's #8? A 3D printed Shop Nation™ cylone dust separator you can add to a metal garbage can from Home Despot or other large vessels that attaches to a 4" shop dust collector (ie NOT a shopvac)? The Despot sells a bucket lid separator for 90 freakn dollars! Which to me seems like a rip off, plus it only works with 5G buckets. I want something I can add to a $20 metal trash can or a drum; that I'd pay $90 for not problem. Oh... and speaking of "good quality hose", I have that one! It fit perfectly with the stock Bosch dust port. It fit's ok, not great cause friction fit, with the SN™ after-market Bosch dust collector. I want the stock port adaptor!
You missed a huge mark by not including the Onieda Dust Deputy Low Pro separator in this vid. This is an outstanding product that works extremely well. I use 2 of them connected to Ridgid 4gal 5hp rectangle shaped auto detailing vacs. Check them out for your own curiosity. I'm still waiting on a dust attachment for my dewalt 10" miter saw too😁Taipan Woodworks
I've had a Dust Deputy for many years and have yet to change the bag in the shop vac that it's attached to. The vacuum hose and adapters look quite nice. This is something I continue to fight with but figured I might just have to deal with it. Perhaps not anymore.
He factor dustbox with his boomarm and drill attachment. Just a couple of days and the dust hose are back in action. In the meantime I'll have to do some sanding without external extraction.
Think I'll run out and buy a $500 sander, and $1100 dust extractor to clean up after my $13 TV dinner in my clean room. Personally a $13 microwave meal would never taste good. Boom arm looks good and I think could be made with PVC fittings with carriage bolts for locking.
I purchased the 3m sander and dust collector not too long ago, and like you, I was really surprised at there being little to no fist on my table. Really a great addition
I got the same sander when it first came out and loved it. Lasted about a year and started having issues. Just quits randomly and shuts down. Lots of complaints on their website for the same issue. Unfortunately I didn’t save the purchase info and am out $500. Ended up biting the bullet and got a Festool after that.
Thanks for the vacuum hose suggestion. I use the blue tub from a Rockler dust cyclone as my wood scrap bucket. It was that useless. I got a Dust Deputy from Oneida that works really well. However, I’d jump on that Dewalt unit in a heartbeat!
I would have actually liked for you to maybe discuss more on the mullet dust collector. If a system like that is more spacing saving and efficient than lets say a bucket with a cyclone on top of it? Great video and I definitely enjoyed your alternative to using a remote switch vs the automatic switch. I can't tell you how many times I feel bad about my vacuum turning on and off constantly.
I got the full Xtract system. The vac arrived with a major crack on the upper unit, so it had to be returned; 2 week setback. For such an expensive tool, 3M went super cheap on the packing, instructions and accessories. The sander itself (6" version) crapped out after about 10 hours of use. The electronic control simply wouldn't allow the unit to turn on. It is a widespread issue. They claim to have fixed the cause with more recent units, but no way to differentiate between "old" and "new" models, and IMO, they should have done a proactive recall / replacement for those stuck with the version 1 lemon models. I was offered a replacement or refund, but I've lost faith in 3M, so I got a refund and replaced with a Rotex. Cubiton / Xtract paper is awesome though
I bought one on Amazon made by IVAC which uses two circuits. It's worked well for me with no tripped breakers. I was really surprised there weren't more options like this.
I love the makita dust box....I don't have a makita mitre saw and for collecting dust it's rather poor....but look at It, it's brilliant. I could sit and watch that dust spinning through it for hours!
I have the Ivac that can be set onto 2 different lines or breakers I love that thing works great for corded track saws and sanders they are more expensive but well worth it
One issue with the wall-suction drill dust attachments is that the wall surface can be stained by the brick dust. The Festool 500483 D 27-BSD Drilling Dust Nozzle is different in that the chamber that suctions to the wall is separate from the part that surrounds the drill bit, minimising staining
I'm not getting, why no one of the woodworkers use a zigbee (or similar) switch+plug for the vacuum-power tool connection. You can command it via your phone, pc, laptop, tablet, remote switch and you can have booth ways to turn it on (and off), either delayed or remote controlled, or even mixed. I have that setup in my garage and it works smooth.
I do this, and one step further, i mounted window/door contact sensors to my blast gates to automate on/off, with a rule to ensure only one gate open at a time. Nothing else required, super simple setup.
The auto switches work really well for some applications though. I use a one with a cheap dedicated shop vac with my RO sander for example. Sure you can buy a high end vac that does it all but the vac I use was like 30€ and the switch was 20, you don't even get a high end hose for that price. I have another one with another dedicated vac on my oscillating sander too.
The iVac Automated Shop Vacuum Switch has both an automatic vacuum start and a manual start. It really works well. I use a magnetic hose connector mounted in my SCMS station. I can pull the hose from the miter saw and connect a hose to clean up the area. The manual-on of the iVac switch works really well. It's the best of both worlds.] If you use the remote (I have one on my DC) on multiple collectors, how do you tell it which one to turn on?
A youtuber from the UK uses the bottom of a plastic jug in place of the dust boot for your drill to drill holes in walls. He just painter tapes the jug to the wall it catches probably about the same as the accordion model shown in the video.
So I have the "good cyclone" but they won't seperate fine particulate like MDF dust. I was constantly having to clean the pleated filter. I gave up on it and went back to vac bags. I also had a massive industrial unit in my graphite shop which also loaded up the filter cartridges. It's not the lager chips and saw dust that causes the problem. I think to win against the micron sized dust you would need to suck it through a water vacuum, which would likely have its own maintenance issues.
Question - How much peak HP is required for a small dust collection system? For one of those a Rigid shop vac connected to a Cyclonic Dust Separator that sits on top of a bucket. I've seen most woodworking shops bring out the huge NXT 6.0 HP BUT do you really need all that HP. Plus I have read that hp maxes out around 1.5 HP when connected to standard 120 outlets (Is that true? I’m not sure).
Thanks for the information… you may have sold me on the anti static hose and adapter set.. I currently use the ridgid shop vac with a dust bag and heap filter (works great) but the hose the tickler flexi hose and adapters is cumbersome 🤔 thanks again
If I may suggest using the auto switch on the tablesaw instead of the miter saw. That is if you’re able to plug in a 110 tablesaw other things that it works well on would be a Planer or router table.
That Dewalt is nifty - had no idea they made those but at near 150 bucks it's not a great deal, and I'm too cheap for that. You can get the oneida dust deputy for less than 1/3 of the price. Although there is value in having an out of the box solution.
Do you still use the Wen dust extractor that was under the original table? Recommend it as an affordable upgrade over shop vacs or is it about the same?
You know what I love? When I'm on a job site and there's a guy using a Festool or Makita or Hilti Or whatever dust extractor so he can safely cut up the asbestos flooring and he's running the goddamn machine without bags! Every few seconds it slams the filters to clean them and a cloud of dust pops out. I pack up and go home.
Doesn’t the mullet boom arm reduce suction? It has basically 6 90 degrees elbows and interference inside the elbow with articulating mechanism. Any good dust collection system either eliminates 90’s or minimizes use. Not to mention the hookup for vacuum another hard 90. Definitely a gimmick!
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Great video Have been wondering what the time line is on your dust boot for the Dw715 is? Waiting patiently for that one. I have tried many options, and your 's seems to be the best I've found. I too, like having a single vacuum fob to start and stop my vac. Too much starting and stopping a vac will wear it out prematurely.
My shop/garage only has 8’ ceilings, so I just put some bicycle hooks in the ceiling and run my shop vac hose up there to have it drop down on my work (instead of a boom arm)
I want to thank you for this video. I am struggling with dust connectors. The DeWalt cyclone vacuum would be perfect for my tiny workspace. I just bought Rockers quick connect kit but I am new to all this and was wondering how to get the hose on the connectors it's like wrestling with an alligator.
I have both the Dust Deputy and the DeWalt. The DeWalt is far superior to the dust deputy. The dust deputy captures about 50% and the DeWalt is probably around 90%. Amazingly the cost is nearly identical even though the dust deputy didn't come with a bucket. DeWalt is a great value and it's highly effective.
Be nice if the boom arm didn't have so many 90 degree bends. You end up losing a lot of airflow and velocity and would need a very good vacuum to compensate for it. A boom to position a hose would be more efficient.
my question to you is my shop vac has a low capacity if I were to use the wet vac a wet filter could I use a dust collector as an addtional storage in case of a flooded baseement thoughts please thank you
1:09 I've been running the Dustopper version of this since early 2021, paired vertically with a Rigid vac on a mobile cart. The amount of fine dust that I have to knock out of my vac filter is brutal though... But at least it's not going into my lungs (much). 3:06 I have an older 10" Makita mitre saw. No idea what model it is, but I picked it up in 2010. It collects dust on a top shelf in the garage... MIGHT come in handy down the road for in-home installations (among other things, I build cat room wall features). I really love my 12" Makita mitre saw though, but she won't be going mobile. It didn't come with the laser guide, which I didn't need anyway (I am capable of lining up a blade to a mark). But a friend of mine has a different brand that just has a regular white LED light that shines directly down on the top of the blade, creating a shadow where the blade would cut the material. I like THAT feature, and I might even figure out a way to make that work on my saw. There appears to be a rubber port at the top that would probably house the laser on that version. Looking forward to getting your dust collection adapter when available! The one that came with this saw is GOOD, but can be improved. You can definitely tell when I forget to turn on dust collection before a cut. 3:55 That wouldn't be practical for a mitre saw that's fixed into a mitre station. I'm happy with just running a hose to it.. 12:08 Ah, the coveted non-pneumatic 3M sander... I remember when they first came out, and Stumpy Nubs made a video about it using one that was lent to him by 3M (I think). Apparently they're a game changer. Or to piss off my friends' ex-wife (who hates the term), a show stopper. lol
Rigid makes bags to fit a lot/all of their shop vacs. Adding one, it'll do light duty since it'll only be trapping the finer dust that makes it past your Dustopper. Grab a pack of pool filter socks from the local pool store or the AMZ, and never have to shake out that filter again!
Curious about the Mullet Boom Arm so will do some research on that. Would have liked to have seen some real world use with table saw, router, and other applications. Been using the remote switch for a few years, don't see the need for the auto on/off vac/tool combo. Plus, wouldn't that be a lot of amps running through a single box and circuit, possibly 20 - 25 amps? A few of these are just plain gimmicky, and I can't see the justification for the 3M Xtract, apparently just a single tool orbital sander plus another shop vac. I already have and use a variety of electric hand sanders that come with a variety of dust ports. I just hook up a smaller hose and run that into a generic shop vac and - no dust! Otherwise as for 3M, they make the best abrasives. Tip for anyone doing manual hand sanding, look into the 3M "Stikit." Entails a plastic handheld sander, 2-1/2 or 3-1/4 in. width, with built in magazine for sandpaper rolls available in 80 all the way up to 440 (I believe) grits with a slightly sticky side. No messing around changing out individual sheets, when you need new sandpaper, just pull on the roll and go. I discovered this some 20 years ago and it takes care of 95 percent of my hand sanding applications. Unfortunately, 3M applies the "Stikit" label to a myriad of their products, but look for the red sander magazine type. It has a white felt bottom, and the sandpaper rolls are tough, excellent abrasives. And the red sanders have the best ergonomics, easy to hold and easy on your hands unlike the old rubber and wood blocks.
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You really threw away that perfect chance to say "Good Buys vs Goodbyes"?
Thought the same thing. 😂
The Makita Dust Box is, in fact, meant to be used when you are unable to connect a shop vac to your saw. It is basically a superior version of a dust bag. And, yes, it is great at that for those who want another option. It's downside is that it's a clunky thing hanging off of an already long mitre saw, so tends to be unwieldy and just gets in the way. That's why I sold my Dust Box long before I sold the saw it was meant for. Cheers.
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i've been using that six gallon Dewalt separator for a few months now, and it's perfect for my DIY garage workshop. Using it with miter and table saws, the 735 planer, router table, sanders. I use it for everything, was a solid purchase. Loaned it to neighbor that uses his own table saw frequently, and now he wants to buy his own.
for driling a hole in the wall - i use painters tape. Just stick a peace in kinda U shaped nest under the hole and most of the dust sticks to the tape. By mindfully pealing the tape off you can leave 99% of the dust on the tape.
I hadn't seen the boom arm before... will have to check that out.
The best dust collector when you only have to make one or two holes in drywall: a folded post-it note. Gravity FTW!
For the drill dust collector, just use a paper envelope and a piece of blue tape. Open up the envelope and use the tape to attach it over or below the hole location. Then the drill dust falls into the envelope.
Yep we did that at work perfect
@@dgale1023 yup and lunch bags and blue tape works great. for smoke detectors i use the clear plastic package it comes in and drill through it.. makes a great dust catcher
lick it closed, and then mail it to your favourite fiend.
My auto switches have an override switch to just turn it on. On-Off-Auto. Best of both worlds. They also support two tools each. I don't want a remote, I will just end up spending hours looking for the silly thing.
I use dust deputy 2.5s in my shop and they're amazing. One at my main shop vac setup, one at the CNC. Extremely efficient.
I remember when dewalt launched their version, they also have a steel drum variant. Not a bad buy if you're looking for a plug and play solution. Not quite as efficient as the DD 2.5 though.
I use both types of auto switches in my shop. I like the auto one for hand or table routing. The remote switch is handy to keep attached to the end of the vac hose (like the festool remote) for around the shop cleanup.
I have the big milwaukee version of those wall dust vac attachments but really want a smaller one like you used in this video. They do the job very well. Previously I used the ol' tape a bag to the wall system and it worked well enough. That silicone boot thing is a gimmick; the bag method works just as well and is free.
The mullet boom arm is convenient, but ultimately a gimmick for me. The same can be accomplished for far less money. Mullet in general is far overpriced for what they offer. They must think they're the festool of the dust collection world... At the drill press, loc line is a great option.
I have the bosch version of that cen tec hose and it's been great, but the festool dust extractor was definitely one of the best upgrades I made for my shop. And yeah, a quality sander is a game changer. I first bought the ets ec 150/5 and then the rts 400. Amazing sanders, and an ro 90 is on my short list.
Thanks for this video, excellent points made.
Hi Travis, i use a 4 pint plastic Milk Carton cut in half for my Indoor Drilling Holes, the bottom of the Carton i tape with Blue Masking Tape on the wall just under the hole to be drilled, and all the Dust settles in the Carton. As an added extra because the top part has a Funnel Shape that the Milk is poured from, this becomes ideal to use to top up your Glue Bottle so as to not spill it everywhere it works great, as long as whatever you want to pour into is slightly bigger than the neck of the Funnel, if you keep the Lid you can screw that back onto the Funnel then you can use that to fill a bit with Water or White Spirit to clean your Paint Brushes.
The Cen-Tec Dust Hose with attached Fittings is great we have had that in the UK for a while now, you can buy more Hose Ends and Clips to add to the collection. Brilliant.
Take Care and Stay Safe,
Barry (UK) 👍
That is the cleanest workshop that I have ever seen !
Do you ever build stuff ?
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That Delmar is just a cheap knock off of a Dustopper. I use the Dustopper PRO with a 14-gallon drum and don't need anything else for dust collection. Just wheel it around with my vacuum. I get the vast majority of the dust collected before the filter, so no complaints here. That DeWalt is expensive!! My setup is half the cost with more collection space and efficiency.
A few comments: 1) the auto vacuum switch - my problem is that if I have to turn on the vacuum, I forget, thereby negating the whole point - hence the auto switch 2) the dust collection boom - WEN makes a '2.5" x 36" Flexible dust hose' (model DCA018) that appears like a normal ribbed hose, but when you bend it, it stays fixed where you bend it. It doesn't do everything that your boom does, but, for instance, I clamped one on my drill press, and I can position it right next to the bit when I'm drilling, and it stays there. It's much cheaper than the boom ($11.96.) 3) Sanding and dust extraction - I know everyone complains about how expensive Festool tools are, but something that many apparently don't know is that ALL Festool tools are designed around dust collection - perhaps even before anything else. This is because if you're a contractor, superior dust collection can save you a bunch of clean-up time especially if you're working indoors. Festool sanders have been leaving zero dust behind for years, and you don't have to buy a dedicated system in order to get what Festool already gives you on ALL their tools.
I had just purchased the DeWalt 10 gallon dust separator because my Dust Right of 10 years developed cracks in the lid So far, works great. 6 months of use will tell the real story. I also have number 6, great hose and connection system.
Totally agree on your point of "bigger is better." A true cyclone separator will outperform any of the versions that simply just spin the air at the top of the open-to-the-bottom canister/pale. You need to put a large one in front of your wall mounted Rockler.
I looked at a smaller separator and a shop vac that I could move to the tool in use, but decided I was better off putting the time and money into running DWV piping in the shop that goes back to a Oneida Dust Deputy Cyclone XL in front of my Grizzly 1250 CFM. Never looked back. It works like a dream and catches 99% of everything before it makes it to the Grizzly dust collector... I almost never have to change its bag. Not having to move each time I use a different tool it is a huge improvement.
Dust catcher- just 3D print a nozzle for your hand vac- I use a Bosch 12v mini-vac, and use a nozzle that fits around the hole. See Thingiverse for the download.
Vac connect- I standardized on the DeWalt Air-Lock system. You can easily make the tool end connectors out of waste pipe adapters, or just 3D print them. Best system on the market- locked on but can rotate.
I use the automatic vacuum device for my table saw, planer and jointer, for those devices it works fantastically; I can only see using it with a miter saw if the saw is enclosed or partially enclosed in a hood or something.
I prefer the auto switch. If it kills my vacuum, I'll buy a new one. The convenience and reduced noise while measuring is worth it for me.
I have a shop vac based dust collection system in my small shop. I was originally using a dust topper from home Depot, and it works pretty well. Then my buddy gave me his dust deputy, and the improvement in performance is definitely noticeable.
I have my vacuum on a cheap 15$ remote works like a champ
For catching dust when drilling holes, my goto is a folded over index card and painters tape.
When I'm drilling a one-off hole in (a vertical surface of) the house I use some blue tape and a sheet of paper to build a catch trough below the hole. If you've ever tried something like this by taping an edge to the wall curved to make a scoop shape, you know it only delays the mess until you try to remove the paper. The trick is to fold it lengthways about 1/4 of the way on both sides and then tuck a corner halfway down each side (like wrapping corners of a gift) so what you're left with is sort of like a corner brace that might reinforce a 2x4 butt joint (but lacking a crease at the corner). Tape one side to the wall and the mess will gather in the trough created by the other sagging side.
This trick will also work for larger access holes, which I make circular because the repair job afterward is easier and comes out better.
I got an Oneida Air Systems Dust Deputy 2.5 cyclone separator last week and paired it with my Rigid shop vac. After cleaning a 6 month pile of sawdust from behind the table saw and vacuuming the rest of the shop floor including crumbling concrete, the shop vac is virtually empty and the filter only has a little dust on it! Never believed it would work so well. It is somewhat difficult to drag around so I may get the 32’ hose for that vac and park the thing in a corner. For what shop vac filters cost, and pain cleaning them this type of separator is a necessity!
Wicked video. Super helpful. For future ones throw a price up on the screen it would be helpful (I know you gave rough estimates of prices) just makes it easier to see the value. And I wish there was a way to USA and Canada links (without you having to post two separate links in your description) anyways loved the videos. Keep em coming so creative. I love woodworking but funny enough I bought a 3D printer and have been loving all of your 3D stuff. The fact you do woodworking videos is a solid bonus.
This is probably a silly question…
The DeWalt vacuum with the cyclone separator on top….
Isn’t the purpose of a separator is to keep (most) of the dust/particles out of the vacuum???
Appears to me the separator empties directly into the vacuum (??)
BTW, that Dust Right separator, which would be a great buy if I were in the US, sells for 300 freakn Canadian dollars, which jokes aside, is waay more than the $120USD after conversation.
The Makita Dust Box deep dive was awesome. Thanks for taking the time. I still love Makita.
Gimmick for the non vac dust collector for drywall holes. Just use a envelope taped up with painters tape below the hole location.
The quality sander and dust extractor at the end...That was me as well to the letter. Absolutely night and day for me as well.
If you want a boom arm, buy an Impact photography boom arm and a tool balancer. For around 100-125 bucks you have the perfect sanding/bench arm.
Factor meals are fantastic for anyone thinking about trying them. I’m 3 weeks in and every single one has been delicious. I got them so I can make something quick instead of grubhubbing takeout on the nights I don’t feel like cooking. I also work from home and got tired of the same sandwich for lunch every day so I eat a factor meal instead.
My shop dust collection accessory mvps are the Drillnado for my drill press, it legitimately handles 100% of shavings. I also made an overhead dust collection/blade guard for my table saw that is incredible. You can’t use it for everything and definitely not with most sleds or jigs, but ripping plywood or mdf it gets practically everything
I have one of those bucket cyclones separators. I got it at Home Depot - it’s a small gadget that fits on top of the Home Depot bucket. I don’t know why you’re saying they’re not good because mine keeps all the dust and chunks out of the vacuum cleaner filter - except, of course, for the very fine particles which are filtered out by the HEPA filter in the vacuum. The only problem I see with them is that they need to be emptied more often than the larger units - of course. I have used mine now for over six months and the vacuum filter still looks almost new. Not sure where you are getting your information but the effectiveness of one of those bucket filters has been empirically demonstrated to be extremely effective (to my total satisfaction). As a matter fact, it’s really quite surprising how well it works. I would probably not recommend it for a high-volume commercial service because of the bucket’s capacity. I’ve only emptied mine once and it really didn’t need it - it was just a show somebody very well it works.
ALSO - I do like the fact that you have separate units for separate workstations, such as saw and router etc. That’s really a good idea and would actually lend itself to using the bucket type even more.
The issue with the 5-gallon bucket lid style separators, such as the Dustopper, is the fine dust you mentioned. Yes, this fine dust is captured by the vacuum's filter. But, that means the filter will become clogged with the fine dust, reducing the vacuum's efficiency over time. The purpose of a dust separator is to prevent the vacuum's filter from becoming clogged, which the Dustopper doesn't do nearly as well as the Dust Deputy.
This doesn't mean that a Dustopper isn't worthwhile. It will reduce the amount of fine dust that reaches the vacuum's filter, increasing the amount of time you can use the vacuum without needing to clean the filter. So, it helps. Just not as much as a true cyclone, such as the Dust Deputy. As our host said, the lid-style separators are best reserved for instances where space is factor. You'll just need to clean the filter more often.
One last tip: Empty the dust collection bucket often. Never let it get more than 1/2 full. If you let it fill more than that, the fine dust won't have enough room to settle out of the vacuum's air flow and will be sucked up into the filter. That's true for both styles of separator!
Install the bag that came with the vac, problem solved at no extra cost, no?
I have auto vacuum switches for my table saw, and for my milling station, and for my band saw. All of those are constant-use (generally) when using them, vs. the miter saw that's used like 3 seconds at a time.
I run those switches as well for years without any problems. I use the IVac one with 2 power sources otherwise you can burn out your motors.
I wish I bought the anti static version of the Centech hose. I use it a lot but several times I’ve felt it generate a strong static field. Something worth considering.
For the dust extractor remote; in Canada some of the cheaper products are less available, so I got a couple of the “outdoor outlet switch”, they are often sold with Christmas lights/for block heaters and are usually $10-15, cheapest option I found and works great.
Never knew DeWalt made a dust separator. Gotta admit though you had me confused with your comment that it catches way more than the other style. I have the Dustopper on a Home Depot bucket and basically nothing makes it into my shop vacuum. Now if you run it to full yes it'll suck things up but that's user error tbh. Every option has to be emptied at some point. The only time I messed up is the first time I used my planer, I wasn't prepared for how much wood those things spew out and had to empty the bucket and vacuum when I noticed the sound of the vacuum change.
I like the sound of your dust collector/separator better than all these expensive ones!!!!
The silicone dust boot is just a fancy version of a spray paint cap or bottle cap, or literally any plastic cup that you don't care about.
I've even used trimmed down styrofoam and red solo cups to to the same thing, especially overhead drilling.
Just drill through the bottom of the cup, hold it against the surface and drill.
Where's #8? A 3D printed Shop Nation™ cylone dust separator you can add to a metal garbage can from Home Despot or other large vessels that attaches to a 4" shop dust collector (ie NOT a shopvac)? The Despot sells a bucket lid separator for 90 freakn dollars! Which to me seems like a rip off, plus it only works with 5G buckets. I want something I can add to a $20 metal trash can or a drum; that I'd pay $90 for not problem. Oh... and speaking of "good quality hose", I have that one! It fit perfectly with the stock Bosch dust port. It fit's ok, not great cause friction fit, with the SN™ after-market Bosch dust collector. I want the stock port adaptor!
You missed a huge mark by not including the Onieda Dust Deputy Low Pro separator in this vid. This is an outstanding product that works extremely well. I use 2 of them connected to Ridgid 4gal 5hp rectangle shaped auto detailing vacs. Check them out for your own curiosity. I'm still waiting on a dust attachment for my dewalt 10" miter saw too😁Taipan Woodworks
A lot of good info , but I was really hoping you would shed some light on the dust collection for like the DeWalt planer
I've had a Dust Deputy for many years and have yet to change the bag in the shop vac that it's attached to. The vacuum hose and adapters look quite nice. This is something I continue to fight with but figured I might just have to deal with it. Perhaps not anymore.
7:23 for one hole just use a scoop, hold it against the wall under your drill.
I absolutely love my DeWalt Cyclone Separator. I neglected it long enough to become completely full and still had almost nothing in the shop vac. 🙂
He factor dustbox with his boomarm and drill attachment. Just a couple of days and the dust hose are back in action. In the meantime I'll have to do some sanding without external extraction.
Think I'll run out and buy a $500 sander, and $1100 dust extractor to clean up after my $13 TV dinner in my clean room. Personally a $13 microwave meal would never taste good. Boom arm looks good and I think could be made with PVC fittings with carriage bolts for locking.
for the single drills, an open envelope masking taped below it is my go to solution
I purchased the 3m sander and dust collector not too long ago, and like you, I was really surprised at there being little to no fist on my table. Really a great addition
I got the same sander when it first came out and loved it. Lasted about a year and started having issues. Just quits randomly and shuts down. Lots of complaints on their website for the same issue. Unfortunately I didn’t save the purchase info and am out $500. Ended up biting the bullet and got a Festool after that.
Thanks for the vacuum hose suggestion.
I use the blue tub from a Rockler dust cyclone as my wood scrap bucket. It was that useless. I got a Dust Deputy from Oneida that works really well. However, I’d jump on that Dewalt unit in a heartbeat!
I would have actually liked for you to maybe discuss more on the mullet dust collector. If a system like that is more spacing saving and efficient than lets say a bucket with a cyclone on top of it? Great video and I definitely enjoyed your alternative to using a remote switch vs the automatic switch. I can't tell you how many times I feel bad about my vacuum turning on and off constantly.
I got the full Xtract system. The vac arrived with a major crack on the upper unit, so it had to be returned; 2 week setback. For such an expensive tool, 3M went super cheap on the packing, instructions and accessories.
The sander itself (6" version) crapped out after about 10 hours of use. The electronic control simply wouldn't allow the unit to turn on. It is a widespread issue. They claim to have fixed the cause with more recent units, but no way to differentiate between "old" and "new" models, and IMO, they should have done a proactive recall / replacement for those stuck with the version 1 lemon models. I was offered a replacement or refund, but I've lost faith in 3M, so I got a refund and replaced with a Rotex.
Cubiton / Xtract paper is awesome though
Auto switch is good for Piller drills sanders and power planer but agree on the on off remote
My problem with the auto vac switch is I need to keep my vacuum and miter saw on different circuits or it will pop the breaker.
The auto switch is specifically meant to prevent that. The start up amps is usually what trips it
I bought one on Amazon made by IVAC which uses two circuits. It's worked well for me with no tripped breakers. I was really surprised there weren't more options like this.
I love the makita dust box....I don't have a makita mitre saw and for collecting dust it's rather poor....but look at It, it's brilliant. I could sit and watch that dust spinning through it for hours!
I have the Ivac that can be set onto 2 different lines or breakers I love that thing works great for corded track saws and sanders they are more expensive but well worth it
The wife’s cordless Dustbuster works great if your just drilling a handful of holes in the drywall to hang pictures and stuff.
For one or two holes I use a post it note.
I'm surprised you weren't printing your own solution
Hmm, that toilet plunger doohickey for catching drilling dust may come in handy! And that mullet third hand looks solid! Thanks, quite a useful video.
Incredibly Beautiful...
The automatic vacuum works great on a table saw.
Also perfect for a wood lathe
One issue with the wall-suction drill dust attachments is that the wall surface can be stained by the brick dust.
The Festool 500483 D 27-BSD Drilling Dust Nozzle is different in that the chamber that suctions to the wall is separate from the part that surrounds the drill bit, minimising staining
I'm not getting, why no one of the woodworkers use a zigbee (or similar) switch+plug for the vacuum-power tool connection. You can command it via your phone, pc, laptop, tablet, remote switch and you can have booth ways to turn it on (and off), either delayed or remote controlled, or even mixed. I have that setup in my garage and it works smooth.
I do this, and one step further, i mounted window/door contact sensors to my blast gates to automate on/off, with a rule to ensure only one gate open at a time. Nothing else required, super simple setup.
The auto switches work really well for some applications though. I use a one with a cheap dedicated shop vac with my RO sander for example. Sure you can buy a high end vac that does it all but the vac I use was like 30€ and the switch was 20, you don't even get a high end hose for that price. I have another one with another dedicated vac on my oscillating sander too.
The iVac Automated Shop Vacuum Switch has both an automatic vacuum start and a manual start. It really works well. I use a magnetic hose connector mounted in my SCMS station. I can pull the hose from the miter saw and connect a hose to clean up the area. The manual-on of the iVac switch works really well. It's the best of both worlds.]
If you use the remote (I have one on my DC) on multiple collectors, how do you tell it which one to turn on?
A youtuber from the UK uses the bottom of a plastic jug in place of the dust boot for your drill to drill holes in walls. He just painter tapes the jug to the wall it catches probably about the same as the accordion model shown in the video.
So I have the "good cyclone" but they won't seperate fine particulate like MDF dust. I was constantly having to clean the pleated filter. I gave up on it and went back to vac bags. I also had a massive industrial unit in my graphite shop which also loaded up the filter cartridges. It's not the lager chips and saw dust that causes the problem. I think to win against the micron sized dust you would need to suck it through a water vacuum, which would likely have its own maintenance issues.
Question - How much peak HP is required for a small dust collection system? For one of those a Rigid shop vac connected to a Cyclonic Dust Separator that sits on top of a bucket. I've seen most woodworking shops bring out the huge NXT 6.0 HP BUT do you really need all that HP. Plus I have read that hp maxes out around 1.5 HP when connected to standard 120 outlets (Is that true? I’m not sure).
I believe the air flow you had when testing the Makita dust box was a few orders of magnitude. Retest with a lower velocity?
Lighting is 💯
Thank you for so much information so well presented with a nice bit of clowning.
#4 wall dust....I just tape an envelope to the wall under the hole
Thanks for the information… you may have sold me on the anti static hose and adapter set.. I currently use the ridgid shop vac with a dust bag and heap filter (works great) but the hose the tickler flexi hose and adapters is cumbersome 🤔 thanks again
11:21 that’s why i keep hoses when i toss dead vacuum cleaners
Thanks for the info, Travis!!
If I may suggest using the auto switch on the tablesaw instead of the miter saw. That is if you’re able to plug in a 110 tablesaw other things that it works well on would be a Planer or router table.
That Dewalt is nifty - had no idea they made those but at near 150 bucks it's not a great deal, and I'm too cheap for that. You can get the oneida dust deputy for less than 1/3 of the price. Although there is value in having an out of the box solution.
You da Man, I love watching your video's they are always so informative.
Are you planning on making dust collection accessories for the Makita sliding miter saws similar to the Bosch miter saw?
Do you still use the Wen dust extractor that was under the original table? Recommend it as an affordable upgrade over shop vacs or is it about the same?
You know what I love?
When I'm on a job site and there's a guy using a Festool or Makita or Hilti Or whatever dust extractor so he can safely cut up the asbestos flooring and he's running the goddamn machine without bags! Every few seconds it slams the filters to clean them and a cloud of dust pops out.
I pack up and go home.
I’ll be looking for the Dewalt cyclone in Oz!
Doesn’t the mullet boom arm reduce suction? It has basically 6 90 degrees elbows and interference inside the elbow with articulating mechanism. Any good dust collection system either eliminates 90’s or minimizes use. Not to mention the hookup for vacuum another hard 90. Definitely a gimmick!
Sorry just curious, this guy said the adapter doesn't fit.... I wonder where he could make a custom adapter for the sake of testing.....
drill dust is probobly made for an sds application lmao. one hole and you still need it
…GREAT presentation and format…solid content…totally works because of the trust in your brand established over years…please keep this up…it’s a winner…😊
Great video Have been wondering what the time line is on your dust boot for the Dw715 is? Waiting patiently for that one. I have tried many options, and your 's seems to be the best I've found. I too, like having a single vacuum fob to start and stop my vac. Too much starting and stopping a vac will wear it out prematurely.
My shop/garage only has 8’ ceilings, so I just put some bicycle hooks in the ceiling and run my shop vac hose up there to have it drop down on my work (instead of a boom arm)
I want to thank you for this video. I am struggling with dust connectors. The DeWalt cyclone vacuum would be perfect for my tiny workspace. I just bought Rockers quick connect kit but I am new to all this and was wondering how to get the hose on the connectors it's like wrestling with an alligator.
Great video as always Travis so many great tips got the 3M sander and it’s amazing trying to save up to get the dust extractor to go with it.
I have both the Dust Deputy and the DeWalt. The DeWalt is far superior to the dust deputy. The dust deputy captures about 50% and the DeWalt is probably around 90%. Amazingly the cost is nearly identical even though the dust deputy didn't come with a bucket. DeWalt is a great value and it's highly effective.
Be nice if the boom arm didn't have so many 90 degree bends. You end up losing a lot of airflow and velocity and would need a very good vacuum to compensate for it. A boom to position a hose would be more efficient.
my question to you is my shop vac has a low capacity if I were to use the wet vac a wet filter could I use a dust collector as an addtional storage in case of a flooded baseement thoughts please thank you
Go one step further with the Cen-Tec system and 3D print adaptors to fit each machinr
1:09 I've been running the Dustopper version of this since early 2021, paired vertically with a Rigid vac on a mobile cart. The amount of fine dust that I have to knock out of my vac filter is brutal though... But at least it's not going into my lungs (much).
3:06 I have an older 10" Makita mitre saw. No idea what model it is, but I picked it up in 2010. It collects dust on a top shelf in the garage... MIGHT come in handy down the road for in-home installations (among other things, I build cat room wall features). I really love my 12" Makita mitre saw though, but she won't be going mobile. It didn't come with the laser guide, which I didn't need anyway (I am capable of lining up a blade to a mark). But a friend of mine has a different brand that just has a regular white LED light that shines directly down on the top of the blade, creating a shadow where the blade would cut the material. I like THAT feature, and I might even figure out a way to make that work on my saw. There appears to be a rubber port at the top that would probably house the laser on that version. Looking forward to getting your dust collection adapter when available! The one that came with this saw is GOOD, but can be improved. You can definitely tell when I forget to turn on dust collection before a cut.
3:55 That wouldn't be practical for a mitre saw that's fixed into a mitre station. I'm happy with just running a hose to it..
12:08 Ah, the coveted non-pneumatic 3M sander... I remember when they first came out, and Stumpy Nubs made a video about it using one that was lent to him by 3M (I think). Apparently they're a game changer. Or to piss off my friends' ex-wife (who hates the term), a show stopper. lol
Rigid makes bags to fit a lot/all of their shop vacs. Adding one, it'll do light duty since it'll only be trapping the finer dust that makes it past your Dustopper. Grab a pack of pool filter socks from the local pool store or the AMZ, and never have to shake out that filter again!
Only open to the US. I get it, but 'bummer'! Ah well, good luck to those of you who can enter, and great video, very informative.
There is no way this is a genuine reply.
Does the dewalt separator fit in the versatile workbench or is it too tall still with the casters off?
Curious about the Mullet Boom Arm so will do some research on that. Would have liked to have seen some real world use with table saw, router, and other applications.
Been using the remote switch for a few years, don't see the need for the auto on/off vac/tool combo. Plus, wouldn't that be a lot of amps running through a single box and circuit, possibly 20 - 25 amps?
A few of these are just plain gimmicky, and I can't see the justification for the 3M Xtract, apparently just a single tool orbital sander plus another shop vac. I already have and use a variety of electric hand sanders that come with a variety of dust ports. I just hook up a smaller hose and run that into a generic shop vac and - no dust!
Otherwise as for 3M, they make the best abrasives. Tip for anyone doing manual hand sanding, look into the 3M "Stikit." Entails a plastic handheld sander, 2-1/2 or 3-1/4 in. width, with built in magazine for sandpaper rolls available in 80 all the way up to 440 (I believe) grits with a slightly sticky side. No messing around changing out individual sheets, when you need new sandpaper, just pull on the roll and go. I discovered this some 20 years ago and it takes care of 95 percent of my hand sanding applications. Unfortunately, 3M applies the "Stikit" label to a myriad of their products, but look for the red sander magazine type. It has a white felt bottom, and the sandpaper rolls are tough, excellent abrasives. And the red sanders have the best ergonomics, easy to hold and easy on your hands unlike the old rubber and wood blocks.
1:13 ouch :( when the plastic got pushed in
Bought your DeWalt dust collector while back from Etsy. Still waiting for it to come though.