Heat treatment in-house. A metallurgical testing lab. thats top notch quality control. Vibratory stress relief.. top fuel funny cars, great episode. MADE IN AMERICA
When you’re sitting in the stands watching nitro cars shake the ground at 300+mph you don’t realize just how much economic activity is required to accomplish that. Here’s a peek into a factory that makes blocks for those engines. The expensive machinery required, the jobs created to make them and the jobs created to run them.
Any thoughts on the industry wide issue of TF blocks randomly pulling main studs out of the block? Apparently this has been going on for a few years. Is it time to move towards a different thread profile like buttress or acme / start of block thread chamfer profile / longer block thread length or something else? I wonder if some teams are over tightening the stud into the block pre stressing the threads.
I have been following P1 Manufacturing and Tom Bailey since day one. I think that if he had done this tour before, he would have succeeded with the SMX block deal. Badass Mazak CNC machines I love the video tour. It is very educational.
@@padron632 Steve Morris has the machine at his shop and is making blocks. The problem when it was at Bailie's shop and the one just before Steve's is they were trying to machine the block in just about one setup from the bell housing end and holding tight tolerances. You can't hang the block off of a rotating fixture and expect to hold dimensions. Steve's guy had one of the rotating fixtures removed and does the machining in 2 or 3 setups.
@@bobroberts2371 I know about Steve Morris, the best thing he did was change the Haas back to a 4 axis and finish the block in the 5 axis Centroid, and he is doing a very good project in house. He should hard-anodize all the billet main caps. I have seen that he has had problems with that in SML and, I think, in Cleetus SMX Block.
These gentlemen know their craft very well. As someone whom designs and manufactures weapon components, they shared a plethora of their TDP with laymen that few if any would ever be privy to without having to spend a long time in higher learning scenarios or taking a tour of their facility while them sharing information. Fastener material being one as well as the heat treat process gives insight into how difficult it is to manufacture components subjected to extreme loads and temperatures. In short, this was awesome and hopefully Steve can glean some insight from it as well. Happy Independence Day!
@@edwardwood3622 Eddie thinks he's important. Eddie is wrong. Eddie's mom is going to send him off to bed with no dinner for being on the internet without permission. Don't be like Eddie.
I'm a sucker for a good tour of how some of the big boys manufacture things and this was no disappointment. I loved the fact that they kept a good majority of the manufacturing in house. Quality is everything. It's refreshing to see some people still like making it here in the usa to keep quality up and not get to focused in profits like many vendors are doing now. The way he explained how important lubricating was with fastening was eye opening. I'll be lubricating my head studs and washers and nuts as they recommend from now on.
I love seeing where the material I used to help make winds/ wound up. I used to work in a steel mill making coils of stainless from 5.5 mm all the way up to 6" round. The 5.5 was for BBQ grills, and the 6" was for drill bits for offshore oil rig drills. We never really was told what everything in between was used for.
Man I am just drooling over the goody's love the science in that place , I miss doing things like this real old disabled vet automation is cool in that place , thank you Tom for bring us along .
Steve Morris recently aired a few episodes on assembling and dyno tuning a very special Hemi. The owner had every external part anidized. Steve had all sorts of electrical issues. Finally tracked down to the anodize coating provides very poor electrical conductivity. They had to grind thru that beautiful coating at every single electrical connection on the engine. BTW: My brother managed a big aluminum anodizing facility for many years. He said “hard anodizing” really refers to the thickness of the anodize coating. (Same with thing for hard chrome vs. show chrome. It’s the thickness of the chrome layer. Chrome all has the same hardness. BTW2: My brother’s plant had large anodizing tanks to treat 12 foot architectural panels and 30’ light poles like you see in a parking lot. They used to get small jobs in like cleats for sailboats. They charged significant $$$ for those little jobs, but the dirty little secret in the anodizing industry was they needed those little jobs to fill in the corners of the tanks and even out the electrical charge thruout the tank.
Fair to say top fuel isn’t going away anytime soon. Would like to hear the price tag on a TF block......with the price break for number of units factored in. P1 a monopoly in the making !
Thanks for the tour Tom. it was super interesting to say the least. Most people think you pack a bunch of nitro into a 500 cubic inch piece of billet aluminum ,spin it to 9500 and go 300 mph. Not only does it require strong parts but a good tuner as well.. When the last time you adjusted your compression ratio as part of your tune? So yeah while they do produce a lot of what I call raw horsepower from the big blower and a garden hose supply of nitro, to win races, you need a lot of data, a good crew and a really good tuner.
@@604cuinkillah What I am sure of is that Steve will watch it and learn something from this particular video. I have learned a lot from Steve's videos. Thanks for the recommendation but I have been watching them for years.😄😄😄
Very interesting, Thanks so much for videoing this. I could listen to him talk about torque all day. I never thought about lubing the washer and nut/bolt base before. I think I have to redo all my stuff now - lol
Hearing from Clay Millican’s channel that Top Fuel and Funny Car nitro engines are blowing main caps on these blocks right and left as the studs are pulling out of the block. No known fix at this time but to cut back on power. 10,000 HP breaks everything.
The Tom Bailey interview on what it takes to handle maximum horsepower you done a good job Tom❤❤😮❤❤ way cool thanks for taking us along definitely a great watch
@stevenabear7326 what you're also starting to see in oe world is head bolt washers having teeth that dig into the head to prevent them from turning during torque. Different way of attacking the same issue.
My Aunt worked at a stamping place for a long time and she lost a finger in one of the stamping machines it was back in the early 70's when it happened I forget what they stamped there but they were big tall machines in they would make a big bang everytime it would stamp the steel parts.
I wouldnt say 7075 is more fragile, but definitely harder and more brittle than 6061. Most of my mfg was machining of 6061. Sometimes I did the tooling for and forming of aluminum. In most cases it would be 2024. Its much softer and more pliable. Doesn't stretch "tear" like 6061 would. Dayton Ohio, Tom. Thats where I did all my work.
Whew,, Tom made Mark a tad bit 'uncomfortable' as they were talking about the sleeves made by DART,, @3:37 Tom said "Well everybody used to use somebody else's blocks to,, so that didn't stop ya,,," Got a bit chilly before Mark says,, "Good point, maybe one day."
This was a superior video to the 'grab-ass', burnout, time-wasting B.S. that make up most of your videos. Sorry Tom, I actually enjoyed this one and please make more like. I would like to see the video on "I'm done with Haas" (and I hope Steve has better luck).
They don't make their own sleeves because Darton spent a fortune to R&D their sleeves (which are a product that's stood the test of time) and so to make as good a product would require a huge investment. Then they have to convince racers their sleeves are as good as Dartons, and prove it in the real world.
I just want to know why if you are going to let an aluminum rod engine sit for ling periods they recommend loosening the rod bolts but the same rods sit on a shelf with bolts torqued, is the loosening for the rod or bolts?
Heat treatment in-house. A metallurgical testing lab. thats top notch quality control. Vibratory stress relief.. top fuel funny cars, great episode. MADE IN AMERICA
Indeed! Fascinating to see what is done at the top end of the spectrum.
When you’re sitting in the stands watching nitro cars shake the ground at 300+mph you don’t realize just how much economic activity is required to accomplish that. Here’s a peek into a factory that makes blocks for those engines. The expensive machinery required, the jobs created to make them and the jobs created to run them.
And some want to tax " rich " people into oblivion causing these workers to lose their jobs. . .
Thank god jb is tired of poor people paying tax for rich people.
dt says hot rods should be banned. HE should be banned!
@bobroberts2371 the have nots think tax is somehow fairness. They are not thinking about how money is used.
Thanks for coming Tom! We had a blast!
Any thoughts on the industry wide issue of TF blocks randomly pulling main studs out of the block?
Apparently this has been going on for a few years. Is it time to move towards a different thread profile like buttress or acme / start of block thread chamfer profile / longer block thread length or something else? I wonder if some teams are over tightening the stud into the block pre stressing the threads.
I have been following P1 Manufacturing and Tom Bailey since day one. I think that if he had done this tour before, he would have succeeded with the SMX block deal. Badass Mazak CNC machines I love the video tour. It is very educational.
@@padron632 Steve Morris has the machine at his shop and is making blocks.
The problem when it was at Bailie's shop and the one just before Steve's is they were trying to machine the block in just about one setup from the bell housing end and holding tight tolerances.
You can't hang the block off of a rotating fixture and expect to hold dimensions. Steve's guy had one of the rotating fixtures removed and does the machining in 2 or 3 setups.
@@bobroberts2371 I know about Steve Morris, the best thing he did was change the Haas back to a 4 axis and finish the block in the 5 axis Centroid, and he is doing a very good project in house. He should hard-anodize all the billet main caps. I have seen that he has had problems with that in SML and, I think, in Cleetus SMX Block.
Haven't seen a manufacturer this thorough in ages. Believe it or not quality matters!
Thank you so much for mentioning about NOT putting fastener lube on the bottom of the washer. So many “engine builders” say it doesn’t matter.
These gentlemen know their craft very well. As someone whom designs and manufactures weapon components, they shared a plethora of their TDP with laymen that few if any would ever be privy to without having to spend a long time in higher learning scenarios or taking a tour of their facility while them sharing information. Fastener material being one as well as the heat treat process gives insight into how difficult it is to manufacture components subjected to extreme loads and temperatures. In short, this was awesome and hopefully Steve can glean some insight from it as well. Happy Independence Day!
@@strykerentllc bs you are just a kid.
@@edwardwood3622 Eddie thinks he's important. Eddie is wrong. Eddie's mom is going to send him off to bed with no dinner for being on the internet without permission. Don't be like Eddie.
I'm a sucker for a good tour of how some of the big boys manufacture things and this was no disappointment. I loved the fact that they kept a good majority of the manufacturing in house. Quality is everything. It's refreshing to see some people still like making it here in the usa to keep quality up and not get to focused in profits like many vendors are doing now. The way he explained how important lubricating was with fastening was eye opening. I'll be lubricating my head studs and washers and nuts as they recommend from now on.
You have to focus on profits or you won't be a business.
I love seeing where the material I used to help make winds/ wound up. I used to work in a steel mill making coils of stainless from 5.5 mm all the way up to 6" round. The 5.5 was for BBQ grills, and the 6" was for drill bits for offshore oil rig drills. We never really was told what everything in between was used for.
Man I love to see American manufacturing.
Absolutely fantastic, love seeing these high end manufacturing facilities right here in the USA. Great tour, Tom, thanks
Interesting talk on torquing and lubrication. Thanks for the vid.
Love your interest level. Respect for the men willing to do this work.
Man I am just drooling over the goody's love the science in that place , I miss doing things like this real old disabled vet automation is cool in that place , thank you Tom for bring us along .
Steve Morris recently aired a few episodes on assembling and dyno tuning a very special Hemi. The owner had every external part anidized. Steve had all sorts of electrical issues. Finally tracked down to the anodize coating provides very poor electrical conductivity. They had to grind thru that beautiful coating at every single electrical connection on the engine.
BTW: My brother managed a big aluminum anodizing facility for many years. He said “hard anodizing” really refers to the thickness of the anodize coating. (Same with thing for hard chrome vs. show chrome. It’s the thickness of the chrome layer. Chrome all has the same hardness.
BTW2: My brother’s plant had large anodizing tanks to treat 12 foot architectural panels and 30’ light poles like you see in a parking lot. They used to get small jobs in like cleats for sailboats. They charged significant $$$ for those little jobs, but the dirty little secret in the anodizing industry was they needed those little jobs to fill in the corners of the tanks and even out the electrical charge thruout the tank.
Thanks Tom! I learned some things today!
Finally some clear cut guidelines on the proper torque process.
Yup, very good advice and knowlege sharing. Hats off to these guys.
I worked it a factory very similar to this. Back shops and all. We were building LearJets.
Teasers....Love it ! Great Job Tom
Those blocks are a piece of art.
Love videos like this. Been working in the machine industry for decades and the technology still amazes me 💪
Yes great tour and they know their stuff was very interesting about torque and yeild on bolts well done Tom
Awesome video! Thanks for taking us along. More content like this please and with machines running if allowed.
Amazing! Love American craftsmanship & manufacturing. Thanks for taking us along Tom.
Fascinating stuff! Thanx Tom. The toilet bowl match up was a bit crass.
What a great video. Spent a couple of decades doing setup and programming on Mazak lathes.
Fair to say top fuel isn’t going away anytime soon. Would like to hear the price tag on a TF block......with the price break for number of units factored in.
P1 a monopoly in the making !
Really cool visit. Who ever would’ve known about lubricating only the top of the washer and the bottom of the nut.
😮
Tom doing another great visit! Add Darton sleeves to the places to tour too!
Big thanks for sharing this video. Very much appreciated all of it .
Thanks for the tour Tom. it was super interesting to say the least. Most people think you pack a bunch of nitro into a 500 cubic inch piece of billet aluminum ,spin it to 9500 and go 300 mph. Not only does it require strong parts but a good tuner as well.. When the last time you adjusted your compression ratio as part of your tune? So yeah while they do produce a lot of what I call raw horsepower from the big blower and a garden hose supply of nitro, to win races, you need a lot of data, a good crew and a really good tuner.
Steve Morris Engines must watch this video.
Not really😄😄 You should watch some of Steve's videos, you'd learn something
You should watch some of Steve's videos
@@604cuinkillah What I am sure of is that Steve will watch it and learn something from this particular video. I have learned a lot from Steve's videos. Thanks for the recommendation but I have been watching them for years.😄😄😄
Really interesting tour 👍
Thanks for sharing.
In my biz career, I got to tour a lot of plants. It was a highlight of my day. Thanks for the tour.
Very interesting, Thanks so much for videoing this. I could listen to him talk about torque all day. I never thought about lubing the washer and nut/bolt base before. I think I have to redo all my stuff now - lol
I wonder if sweat is close enough?
Very Cool Tom thanks for Sharing, now that’s a fortress of a Place 😳😎👍🏼🏁
Love the Science without the nerd explanation, so much easier to grasp.The Bailelolgy works for my brain.
I always lube bolt heads before torking, makes a big difference
Hearing from Clay Millican’s channel that Top Fuel and Funny Car nitro engines are blowing main caps on these blocks right and left as the studs are pulling out of the block. No known fix at this time but to cut back on power. 10,000 HP breaks everything.
Amazing craftsmanship and design, detail, wonderful that they let us in to watch
The Tom Bailey interview on what it takes to handle maximum horsepower you done a good job Tom❤❤😮❤❤ way cool thanks for taking us along definitely a great watch
I love videos like this, thanks and Happy 4TH to everyone
Happy 4th to you too!
The size of that one machine is insane !😮
Notice how the good shops are spotlessly clean? Right here in the USA! Aerospace QA at the highest level.
That place is awesome !
Good information. I've always lubed both sides of the washer and the threads. Guess I'll need to change that.
Thanks Tom for the tour really cool have a great 4th July guys 🏁💪🏼🇺🇸
Love watching indepth shopwork like this :D
That was cool Tom thanks
damn impressive operation!! wow
Now that was very interesting and informative ! Many thanks.
That really was a very interesting video, I could spend all week in there. Thanks Tom!
How interesting and what a clean shop.
Hey Tom, It's Called Planetary Science! The Study of Planets!☄️🌞🌙
Hey Tom, Didn't Steve Morris Build You An Engine a While Back?🤑🤔
All these machines are making money!
The world needs more tips from the real experts. The half-lubed washer thing makes SO much sense.
Did you see the Hemi Cleetus got for his Eagle build it's going to be a beast
Super interesting video!!! Happy 4th everybody!!
I bet their maintenance dept. Makes some good money. Lots of precision repair work for those machines
thanks for sharing Tom!
You got to keep the rockers rocking and in your case it's not listening to the perfect stranger
The first five minutes is my dream shop.
Great to see USA manufacturing!
Amazing Tom. Thanks
Fascinating thanks
Very interesting , especially the part of oil on a washer and torque , Ive been doing it wrong for over 50 years !! What a factory !!
@stevenabear7326 what you're also starting to see in oe world is head bolt washers having teeth that dig into the head to prevent them from turning during torque. Different way of attacking the same issue.
First cleetus and now you getting into the hemis.
Maybe Steve needs to get into the game
Steve just did a hemi marine application, that was hard anodized to protect against rust.
Thats Mark from Edelbrock..
I knew I recognized him from somewhere!
Wow that's like a billion dollars in capital and machines, impressive
Like Amazon doing fasteners
My Aunt worked at a stamping place for a long time and she lost a finger in one of the stamping machines it was back in the early 70's when it happened I forget what they stamped there but they were big tall machines in they would make a big bang everytime it would stamp the steel parts.
@@79tazman ,,, what town did she work in ,,, ?
The start up cost for a business like this must be insane. It would be years before you turned a profit.
It's funny because it's usually 60 year old guys doing it. Graveyard cars comes to mind. Without a key man takeover strategy it is scary
visa card loll
Just the machine costs alone would scare you let alone the tooling inside each machine costs
I wouldnt say 7075 is more fragile, but definitely harder and more brittle than 6061. Most of my mfg was machining of 6061. Sometimes I did the tooling for and forming of aluminum. In most cases it would be 2024. Its much softer and more pliable. Doesn't stretch "tear" like 6061 would. Dayton Ohio, Tom. Thats where I did all my work.
little things that make stuff stay together
Who doesn't like machines that have it's own built in steps that you walk up and makes small parts.
Very interesting thank you
I need to come to America and do a drag and drive I’m not arsed about the time just to complete one would be an experience and a holiday all in one 😁
I can only imagine the investment needed for a shop like this 😮.
Whew,, Tom made Mark a tad bit 'uncomfortable' as they were talking about the sleeves made by DART,, @3:37 Tom said "Well everybody used to use somebody else's blocks to,, so that didn't stop ya,,," Got a bit chilly before Mark says,, "Good point, maybe one day."
True quality
That was cool tom thanks
I got my new shirts today Saturday @ 50% off Thanks Tom Bailey!!!
I learned about heat treat and then cryo. Cool
This was a superior video to the 'grab-ass', burnout, time-wasting B.S. that make up most of your videos. Sorry Tom, I actually enjoyed this one and please make more like.
I would like to see the video on "I'm done with Haas" (and I hope Steve has better luck).
Well after turning bolt for years you can tell a good PC of hardware .class a treads are so nice
Is this dude related to Doug Cook from Motion ?
Same voice for sure!!!
Maaaaaaaaaaaannn!!!! They have some capital invested in that place!
They don't make their own sleeves because Darton spent a fortune to R&D their sleeves (which are a product that's stood the test of time) and so to make as good a product would require a huge investment. Then they have to convince racers their sleeves are as good as Dartons, and prove it in the real world.
Interesting show! How many of those billet blocks do the racers buy at one time? Must be close to a half dozen or more.
They got a point
Very interesting 👌
Thank you.
Super informative and educational video, but who makes the table, and where do I buy one?
Cleetus went hemi!! I guess that's where its at. Isn't Pontiac in a dodge family??
Beautiful shop. Too bad I'm retired.
I just want to know why if you are going to let an aluminum rod engine sit for ling periods they recommend loosening the rod bolts but the same rods sit on a shelf with bolts torqued, is the loosening for the rod or bolts?
Hey Tom Bailey, how interesting. Thank you.
Made with MAZAK milling machines right outta Florence KY. 1 million dollars you can make your own blocks per machine
don't expect Tom to explain Stem Cell research. lol
So it looks like Mark Campbell has left the Edelbrock Group.
He did for good reason.
@@ALLGODSDIE Dang sounds like more to the story care to fill in
Gonna run that engine in my manual street car. 😂 Should be fine right?
Top notch business. Unless I missed it, I'm surprised they don't make rods.