Hypocritical Pastor Fired by Church He Founded | Ted Haggard Scandal Analysis
Вставка
- Опубліковано 1 сер 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Ted Haggard?
Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: / drgrande
Subscribe to the Bella Grande Media Podcast: / @bellagrandemedia
Dr. Grande’s book Harm Reduction:
www.amazon.com/Harm-Reduction...
Dr. Grande's book Psychology of Notorious Serial Killers: www.amazon.com/Psychology-Not...
Check out Dr. Grande’s merchandise at: teespring.com/stores/dr-grand...
References:
www.gq.com/story/pastor-ted-h...
www.scribd.com/read/235083301...
After years of serving in leadership I have learned: those who yell the loudest & preach the hardest are the guiltiest.
haha I found the same.
Add some congregational adoration, rich men on most church boards and BOOM.
Jimmy Swaggart
True
In normal Christian churches, nobody is yelling & screaming like the media stereotypes it.
Hypocrisy and deception are two key elements in the success of any mega-church pastor or TV evangelist. Other important factors are greed, holier-than-thou arrogance, and the ability to blather on for hours without saying anything of worth or significance. It also helps to have pitiless disdain for the suckers who will send you the money which will enable your lavish lifestyle. These shameless hucksters are "spiritual" in the same way most politicians are "honest." They are all about PROFITS, not prophets.
Telltale is a wonderful channel that keeps track of all these guys. Intelligent discussion. Very eye opening content.
You sound like you think you're so much better than they are
Yep, T.V. evangelist Paula White (Trump's "spiritual guide") is the perfect example of a pathetic huckster.
@@ericaveillette6388 Yes, Telltale is an excellent source for endless reminders that it is impossible to not get rich by being a loudmouthed, bible-banging hypocrite in America. This reality is so depressing that I can seldom watch full episodes of Telltale's excellent content.
I agree
I grew up in Colorado Springs and attended this church because most of my friends went. I Stopped attending mega churches afterwards. From my personal experiences, I believe Religious figures can be very hypocritical.
My experience keeps me out of mega churches too 😔
Majority are
Ya think? That's why I quit the catholic church. Never looked back. Now I belong to "The Church of Holy Roman Kindness," We all need a kinder world, the one the real Jesus talked about.
Lita C I agree with you 100%....many "religious figures" tend to have a double life and are in it for money.....That's why we need to fix our eyes in Jesus, and not in other human being!!!
I remember watching his encounter with Richard Dawkins, and thought that he was very arrogant. This was before the scandal
I did too and I thought he acted a bit more than creepy and more than a little crazy.
And I have found in my observations if life that arrogance is usually a defense response to actual insecurity. If a person as low IQ as Ted Haggard was to go against any high level scholar like that I would expect arrogance or fawning. Ted gave us arrogance. I just felt sorry for him even tho he acts out trying to be relevant. But his touching a minor -yikes-no sympathy for that.
dawkins? the hypocrite who makes people pay $400 for his "atheist seminars"? lol. he's just as bad as these televangelists.
@@bense7enreilly true
@@bense7enreilly Oh lord, what a wonderful example of a false equivalency. People gladly pay a one-time fee to listen to a famous scientist talk on a learned subject and by doing so, learn about the real world of Nature. Instead of filling their minds with superstitious nonsense and supernatural fears, their minds are filled with the wonder and beauty of science and the natural world. They therefore gain an insight into that which has so obviously advanced the human race from the dark times when the thoughts of man were choked by the ignorance and simple but incomplete answers offered by religion. I assume the great and famous Richard Dawkins does all right for himself financially, but he is not a filthy and sinfully rich man like these hypocritical "Christian Pastors" who's bloated money bags will never allow them to fit through the eye of a needle.
As a Colorado Springs resident, I can tell you the following, Haggard got caught with a male prostitute doing drugs. But prior to this, that New Life Church fired a lesbian security guard who took out a would be mass shooter on that church campus. They forgot about THAT. Haggard then took off for another state for a while, THEN he came back here, started the 'Red Barn Church' at his house on Ranch Road about 3 blocks away from New Life Church. I know this cause I used to drive past it all the time on my pest control route. He bought horses and riches which is interesting since he was shamed, where'd he get all that money? His wife made a book "Why I Stayed" We all know WHY she stayed, cause she's a leech and it's all about the money. She hasn't worked a real job in her entire life. As far as that house on Ranch Road, it's easily a million dollar home on Ranch Road/Voyager Parkway in Colorado Springs, CO. Now he has some 'church' out in Rockrimmon (a suburb of Colorado Springs, CO). He continues to be a scam artist. No-one here likes him and we are all appalled and embarrassed that he lives here.
I ended up doing the pest control for Brady Boyd, who took over and he and his family are super nice folks. I never went to that church though.
Thank you for your revealing information about Ted Haggard. I believe that he is lying about his Matthew, his sexual exploitation‘s with a massage therapist, and his credibility as a spiritual leader is ruined. I’m very grateful that you chimed in to educate those of us who would not know, that Ted is like other guys who tried to put up the front that they are one-way window in reality they are entirely another.
Interesting you said that she stayed married for the money. I have a UA-cam channel and all the men declare that women _divorce_ because of the money.
Either way, everyone always thinks it's the money.
Oh my, that's very far fetched.
The former security guard, Jeanne Assam, at New Life megachurch who heroically stopped a gunman at the Colorado Springs church in 2007 says she was asked to leave after announcing that she is gay.
To be fair, did his wife know he was Homosexual before they married?...also she gave birth to 5 children, it wouldn't be in the best interest for her to move out and work a job !!!. Having children limits Women financially and she needs to keep her children housed and secured . He's a creep, she must have been devastated to find out she invest her life with a Homosexual man !!!.
Thank you for helping out the insomniacs. It’s rough but at least I get to watch the new videos.
This case was priceless to atheists. At the height of his power, he was a total megalomaniac. He actually tells Richard Dawkins in an interview that, "One day you might be great, like me." It might be fun to do analyses of brilliant, successful people, but then again, it is always more interesting when things go wrong.
Richard Dawkins is a grade A knob job.
I can't believe after all these years that another church let this man into their congregation and that he has continued his behavior.
Seriously??????? You ever hear of the catholic church?? 🙄🤦♀️
Maybe THEY should have cared about him more as a human being. Did your church even try to win him back as the Bible says we should. It’s always easy to ignore passages isn’t it. I didn’t know the man but perhaps instead of lambasting and excommunicating he should have been asked to step back for a while and get therapy and deal with. these things in a mature. But believe me that’s a VERY RARE THING Churches love to blow things up which is very sad. SIN is usually dealt with,more SIN. That’s not right either!!!!!
Dorothy Win him back? Stand for nothing fall for anything.. ah he broke every moral code a minister could make but then again isn’t it the so called Religious that want to destroy our country are ignorant to the rule of separation of church and state? I’ve seen enough of church TV preachers adorn themselves lie about prophecy being from god when they are just grifters Gregg Locke who lies with things that are easy to fact check but it’s okay he’s allowed to lie for God? No if this is proof of God then there’s no god just grifters scaring people for the pennies in their pockets not happy with one Jet or even two no they need a fleet why does god need a plane. In the Torah the never have Jesus talking to Uber rich or powerful rabbis no you found him among the common as he was just a Jewish carpenter as those so called men of God are just grifters
@@marylawson5906 oh Schmidt!! OK I hear you. I was excommunicated by a real charmer 30 years ago. My husband and I dared to speak up in defence of a couple falsely accused of child abuse. Their adult children were so grateful to us but in the end we were the ones handed over to Satan for the destruction of our flesh. People can be so sick!!!!!!
They must be doing the same. It's anti-biblical.
You should have a future episode doing an analysis and psychological profile on the life of Alister Crowley!.. that's such a rabbit hole to go down though, it might have to be a two-part episode!
That would be a great video!
“It’s the end of the world as we know it” Should have played at his birth.
Don't stop there. Why not Anton LaVey or that evil witch that goes by the name of Pelosi.
Yes please dr Grande 👍
Please!
Very sad. I do not go to nor have I ever been a member of his church but it does show how we are all imperfect. However, if he abused a minor he should be charged. No one no matter who they are should be allowed to get away with that. It is very harmful and just keeps the abuse going
I thought the same thing about the minor
@@ember1794 Was it when he was a child too? I was confused.
@@zzzaaayyynnn I understood it so that he was accused of as an adult having touched a minor inappropriately, which would be qualified as abuse. Also, it sounded to me as if he might also have been abused as a child (which, sadly, wouldn't be unusual), but I'm not sure I got this right - thirdly it sounded as if he as a child/minor had a consensual(?) encounter with another child/minor (but I'm not sure I heard/interpreted everything correctly, English is not my first language)
The "church "........I mean the "business of grifting ".........he founded.
@@user-ic9qm8mb4t Sounds about true 😅
For a moment at first I thought this video was going to be about another hypocritical pastor of New Life Christian church in Indiana who was recently exposed for what he called an “affair” with a teenager (aka grooming) that he had for over 7 years. The pastor, John Lowe II, was called out in front of the congregation by this female, now an adult in her 30s, for misrepresenting this “relationship” as an affair instead of the predatory and inappropriate (if not criminal and abusive) nature of it since she was only 16 years old when he took her innocence away and continued to engage in this for many years after.
Alot of these guys have weird mindstates. They think that once a girls period starts she is a woman.
@@AllergicToMakeBelieve Whether one like religion or not I'd say its normal for humans to engage in it. Its a by product of having such a conceptual mind and gaps in knowledge. It is what it is.
What is it about religion that attracts such sick people?
@@LisaAnn777 I think it’s more about someone in power taking advantage of that power. It’s not exclusive to religious leaders…
@E R
It's not that weird when you think about it. It's a natural human tendency of seeking fairness in the unfair world. Our overlord has to be ultra powerful and all-knowing so he can push the bad people, right?
Interesting video, Dr.Grande. I don't know why, but I found his excuse that it was just 'a massage that went awry' hilarious. "Sure, happens all the time. Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket!" 🤣 Thanks, Dr G.! ❤️
I agree he is awesome. I have learned a great deal from him.
Pastor OOPsie!
I was Glad to see Pastor Buttmunch exposed a few years ago. His excuses were just too much!
@@strangemanmtd8350 What? Did you say he exposed himself? That is shocking! Pastor Buttmunch. 🤣
@@carolnahigian9518 lol Oopsie! Really, it happened by accident. He never had a massage before. He didn't know it wasn't supposed to go like that! 🙄
Look into the case of Martha Ann Johnson. She murdered all four of her children. She killed one each time her husband left her. You can do research in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Thanks for your hard work. Take care.
An apology tour cracked me up. Geez. Manipulators can come up with such bs & excuses. Great story again. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🧡
An apology tour! 🤣 Maybe it was his first massage, and he thought that was supposed to happen. 😵💫 Oop, there it is! 😄
@@LDiamondz 😁😅👋🙄💕💕
"A massage that went arwy" sounds way, way worse than owning up to seeking out an escort.
It wasn't Ted's fault.
It was his penis that led him astray.
That's what I thought. It sounds ridiculous. But funny.
@@LDiamondz Hi friend. Agreed! 🙄How are you? Been awhile...💐🌵💟💟🌞🫖🍭
@@zenawarrior7442 Hey Zena! 👋 Yeah, I've been dealing with family drama. My daughter's having major surgery soon. And my brother, Dick, well, he's kind of acting like one. 🤣 I've missed you, my friend. ❤ How have you been doing? What's new? 🥰💝💫💥👃☘️☘️💐💐
@@LDiamondz Hi! You're too funny! Your brother Dick is acting like one 🤣. Sorry tho as I know family can hurt, drain you. I got a transfer to AZ to be close to Mom w dementia which is sad. Otherwise a few other things dealing with. Great to hear from you too, missed you also!! 🧡🤗💚🤍🙌🦉🍀🌷💐🧋🌄
I think it's absolutely tragic for him to live the life that he lived. I wouldn't be surprised if he got into the ministry in an effort to fight off his feelings towards men.
Tragic? Evil through and through more like it. You comment as if he had no conscious awareness of the hurt he has caused others in his selfishness. People like him do untold damage to the fight for any equality and undermines attempts at positive activism. Him and all the closeted Republican reps, which is a lot of them.
Not an unusual dynamic imo.
I think it's complicated and there are many various factors. The fact that his fathered lured him to the college with an expensive car says alot about the manipulative and controlling ways of his father, and that the father valued money and prestige more than ethics and taught his son to do the same. Most sons want to please their fathers and feel they'll receive the love they crave as children by allowing their parents to control them, even at an older age. That could've maybe played into the homosexual tendencies, along with being molested by a man if that was true.
There are sooo many phony christian leaders
So true. I am myself a bisexual who only came out comparativly late in life and I do recognize some patterns. It's just so sad he was, is and probably never will be able to live his life to the fullest because he fully embraced the identification with the people who want him dead.
Which doesn't excuse him. It just adds to the poor choices he made in life.
EMDR was used in my sessions as I worked with my doctor to replace the deep-seeded negative belief systems I had developed from a childhood of physical and emotional abuse. I’m not approaching this from a scientific perspective, but rather from my own personal experience. I thought it was really effective and I remember having vivid dreams, which I was required to document for my next session, after an EMDR session. All I can say is my life has completely transformed from what I was, a self hating alcoholic, to someone who respects themself and is actually building a really fulfilling life at home, work, and in education. I think EMDR played a role in my transition from previous perceptions to how I view the world now.
I can to the comments to stick up for EMDR too! It was an absolute game changer for me when it came to processing trauma and reprogramming negative beliefs. It may not be for everyone, but for others it can be life changing.
Yes it is heavily supported by research.
@@kelseytalbott74 So well said! Psychodrama and EMDR helped me progress trauma in a really profound way (each in their own special way) (I have PTSD)
I have CPTSD and I think EMDR brought me a sense of calm. Hey, if it helps even a few people, it’s worth it. At least it’s a drug-free therapy.
Marcus.
Where do you go to get EMDR?
What would be really interesting is a video explaining why the DSM exempt many indicators of mental illness, if they are based on a religious belief.
Great idea for a video
I would love to see that, too. I find it interesting how people can hear the voice of God, say they feel God watch them 24 hours a day, and are sure they have no signs of paranoid schizophrenia.
Also, I am glad religious trauma syndrome is being discussed, even if not in diagnostic manuals.
LOL! Christians can believe in demons, angels, and miracles but shrinks still have to say they're perfectly normal! Hahahaha! I'm one of those Christians, BTW! ;)
I once worked with a patient who came to us seeking a diagnosis, turned out he was an ex Jehovah's witness who was looking for answers as to why he had believed such nonsense for so long. I really felt for him, he was trying to get the last 20 years of his life back.
I'm gonna guess, I Think possibly it can be viewed as discrimination.
Wow, I didn't realize that until reading this. What a Loophole!
Well deserved punishments for on-going hypocrisy
Having served in such churches while raising my son as a single parent, I have seen it all. This guy is a skilled orator and a very hard worker. He was erroneously "treated" by church leadership. I believe this is a typical policy, without any professional mental health practitioners involved. He is a very smart guy and would require a savvy male psychiatrist who is experienced in religious issues. Anyone less he would have no respect for and try to turn the tables on. I have worked with others like him, says all the right things but does not do the right things. I was psychologically abused by a pastor who spiritually and sexually abused two other women. His credentials were rescinded but no restitution of any kind was required, no involvement of police and no accountability to the three of us happened by the denomination he no longer pastors. He and his wife are free to continue their illegal and truly criminal behaviors to those whom he has hurt body, mind and spirit. Thank you for this excellent presentation.
File group lawsuits yourself! Do not let predators walk away to other Churches.
You should do one on Joel Osteen. He's the pastor who refused to open his megachurch for people during Hurricane Harvey.
AND his house is the size of most football stadiums. I watch him when down to LA on mom's tV. He's certainly got the "God's Children" moves, the ones in speech and debate competition that would always be in the finals, and say nothing. They could get up and read a phone book and have the judges sobbing. We as a speech group would refer to them as "God's Children". It didn't matter what they said: their "ethos" was dripping syrup.
I don't believe in hell, but I would like it to be real, just to see People like him doing his time there.
Just to clarify Joel Osteen has never to be any seminary. He inherited his father's church. He's a charlatan. He dupes people out their money. He's nothing more than a new age guru who throws in a couple of scriptures so he can call himself a pastor. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He eventually opened his church, but only after much backlash from the community. His excuses were shameful saying no one could get to church due to flooding or some such nonsense. I would also love to see Dr. Grande do an analysis of him. It would be quite fascinating.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki It just kills me when they ask for money, for a food bank, or this or that. I've gotten food from a church before and believe me the food was as moldy and slimy as they are.
@@mariafernandaaristizabal1012 hi. Do you believe in heaven?
My ex had born again parents that tried to rehab gay men. They thought they were doing God's work, but didn't do their job as parents to watch their sons around these men. Their piety left a horrible toll.
@Cassandra R. Your comment confused me at first. Thought about it, and wondered if maybe you were confused. There a very old ugly myth about gay men. It is 100% wrong and dangerous.Some fear gay men because they might be another name for a pedophile.Any man or woman sexually attracted to children is a pedophile.The term -Gay men- are sexually attracted to adult males. Lesbian woman are sexually attracted to adult females only. Just wanted to clarify an ugly myth.
Yes this is traumatizing for those poor guys.
If the men abused your ex as a child ,they were " paedophiles " these are anyone sexually attracted to small children.
"Gay " people are attracted to the adult same sex.
Hope that helps your confusion.
You seem confused about all gay men being advantageous, grooming weasels. Maybe word your comment differently next time cos the generalization you suggested ain't your friend here. And I'm being nice. But yeah I guess his parents got what they deserved for the lives of gay men they wrecked. Pretty sure the bible says something about that. More than once
@@allinaday9882 lmao how is it a "myth" if its true? You are wilfully blind.
I am so fortunate to live in Canada! We banned conversion therapy earlier this year, and it was a unanimous vote in the house. It’s universally detrimental.
If an adult wants to have conversion therapy (either way, to become gay or straight etc) you have an actual law to stop them from making that choice with their own mind, will and cognition??
@@theasianjaywalker4455 yes and they should. It's literally classified as abuse. There's nothing scientific or medical backing any of these conversion camps.
@@Tyler-hk4wo You need to think about what you're reveling in though. Codified into law and ultimately enforced at gunpoint, Canadian government people can control what thinking a free adult citizen can or cannot choose.
Seriously, you really have to think about what you're applauding.
You also have to get very concerned about who decides what thinking choices you make will be 'wrongthink' or allowed by government.
Think about that but now put a right-wing conservative government into the position of government.
What thoughts will they make illegal or illegal for you.
imagine its you.
I'd have to say, if a grown adult is having problems with what they decided is unhelpful heterosexual desires and decides on their own they wish to seek counseling or coaching to 'convert' the heterosexual thoughts and become strictly homosexual then, whether we like it or not, that adult can choose to have those thoughts.
You say "NO and GOOD they are banned from it!" really?
@@theasianjaywalker4455 yes for the same reason any abuse is considered illegal. Beliefs don't matter. If you're abusing anyone whether the person is groomed into it or not it's still considered abuse. This has nothing to do with political identity. If someone consents to abuse it doesn't matter it's still abuse. Don't make an issue political that doesn't need to be. Have you actually looked into abuse stories of kids and adults who have gone through these conversion camps? Check that out and come back to me and see if you have the same opinion or if it triggers some empathy in you.
@@Tyler-hk4wo yes, i understand you want to say you are full of the holy empathy but you keep saying "abuse" as if youre talking about psychologists doing it to unwilling adults who cant escape it. This is asking you about adult gays who decide to think and engage in techniques. Duly noted you DO NOT accept the old concept of "whatever 2 adults decide to do in the privacy of their own home is nobody elses business and especially not the government". Now what else can we proudly ban and call abuse? Any suggestions?
I really hope your comments here regarding EMDR therapy won't discourage people who are struggling with trauma, grief, anxiety etc.. to look into the therapy. I did EMDR with a trained counselor 14 yrs ago and if nothing else it stopped the terrible nightmares that were ruining my sleep. I believe that it did a lot more than just that, I have been much more emotionally stable and I stopped self-harm after that time.
So, please, if needed, look into EMDR and find a trained, experienced counselor.
Well said! I also found it to be very helpful, the eye-movement does make a change (I have PTSD)!
EMDR helped more with my nearly life-long generalized anxiety disorder than any talking- based counseling and therapies ever did, and in months instead of years. There was an incident i felt deep guilt over for about five years that disappeared in one EMDR session, and i have always been able to think of that incident ever since without the guilt.
EMDR was life saving for me. I too hope this doesn’t discourage anyone from trying.
I so agree!! EMDR is a very well developed, researched and beneficial healing protocol for trauma.
Thanks for saying this. I haven't tried it yet but it's on my horizon as I am thinking of using that to enhance my Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I think the book "The Body Keeps the Score" is a proponent for EMDR.
I'm afraid I have to disagree that EMDR has the unnecessary component of eye movement. I'm not sure if the mechanism actually does anything to process memories. Still, it is helpful to give an individual with trauma something innocuous to direct their attention toward as they work. It prevents lapses into safety behaviors and prevents the pt from reading perceived nonverbals of the therapist. As you know, most people with trauma are eager to accommodate the other individual by reading body language and altering their thoughts and behaviors for a better-perceived outcome. I have found that EMDR is a great fit for someone more prone to heightened emotions and hypervigilance.
As someone with CPTSD, I have found that EMDR helps but it isn't the miracle, cure all that some claim. I couldn't do the eye movement component without getting distracted (thanks hypervigilance & ADHD) so my therapist uses little buzzers (I forget the technical term for them).
I agree with you - the eye movement isn't unnecessary and made all the difference (I have PTSD)
Same..it really helped in my case as well. But Dr.Grande says such things more often. Everything has 2 be proven it seems. Well there are enough cases..including you guys..that it helps.
This is a really good point: EMDR seems to help individuals with trauma to tolerate and integrate the exposure. Without the eye movement component, many find the exposure piece of the treatment too distressing to continue. It might very well be that the part of EMDR that helps is the "structured" activity of moving eyes. The research that has been done does call into question the original theory of WHY EMDR works, but too many people (esp. people who have not had to go to therapy for THEIR OWN TRAUMA TREATMENT) say that because the theory was disproven, EMDR is disproven. There's too many people who say EMDR was the key for their trauma healing after all these years for a responsible observer of treatment efficacy to ignore, imo. It needs to be looked into further.
Thanks for saying this. I haven't tried it yet but it's on my horizon as I am thinking of using that to enhance my Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I think the book "The Body Keeps the Score" is a proponent for EMDR.
What surprises me more is the non-forgivess of his church on his sins.
Should have been more honest. Forgiveness and confession go hand in hand!
Religion and hypocrisy go hand in hand.
I have found that the more religious one is, the more judgmental and even xenophobic they are.
Churches run on egos and low self-esteem, not on living out Jesus' teachings on love, compassion, acceptance and forgiveness.
And he's gay? Foggettabout it!
Church-goers can't forgive that- they have low self-esteem they need to boost by judging people! They DREAM of pinatas as good as this to bash!
And he should be put where he belongs.... he should be in prison or should become a Catholic Priest.
Everyone loves a scapegoat... Even better if they're alive.
What?? He's a criminal. There's no "forgiveness " in law.
He looks like Stiffler in the American Pie movies.
I always press “like” before I listen to you, Dr Grande and here, as always, you never disappoint 👍
Thank you🌱
I get alerts for twitter and once in a while I'll be able to click on a link within seconds of it's creation. Everytime there are not only hundreds of likes but dozens of comments.
Even while understanding that there's no "right" or wrong way.. it makes me want to puke. What's the point, time trials? Or is the point to show just how worthless a viewers input can be?
Case in point: "I always press “like” before I listen". You just took a worthless jesture and accentuated it's pointlessness.
Seriously.. are you his Mother, publiscist or bookie? This race your obviously involved in.. what's the prize?
@@ronaldblythe7559 😂
You’re kidding, right?
@@ronaldblythe7559 haha, so true. Some of these youtube personalities develop a following that's just as cult like as Ted Haggard's followers. "Press like before I listen" ... makes no logical sense and renders the like feature useless.
@@ronaldblythe7559 I still press like on my phone before I listen here. Sorry, kiddo. I’m 75 and can always change my “like” if I want to. I don’t have a computer and I’m lucky at my age to even know how to use the internet. Gripe all you want, I’m NEVER disappointed when Dr Grande reviews anything here. He’s exceptionally intelligent and always does a masterful job. xo
@@Schiffon I can't argue with that. Take care :)
Having a salary of $200,000 and not being able to make ends meet isn’t “bad with money”, or “poor planning”, it’s GREEDY.
After taxes 130000 and 10% to the church. And they have a big family.
@@dirtymikentheboys5817 I grew up in a massive family that had an income of little more than 1/10th of that money. I don't know what circumstances you came from, but it's a nice little bubble to think that $130,000 isn't enough to sustain even the largest of families.
I have had EMDR therapy and it helped me immensely. I had traditional therapy for awhile when my dr suggested it. She had been trained in it during the Oklahoma City Bombing aftermath.
I’m still aware of what happened to me and can see it clearly, but I no longer panic and fall apart about it.
It’s like my brain figured out where that needed to go.
After that talk therapy was way more productive.
Not for everyone I’m sure and may work best on life and death type trauma. Idk.
I had EMDR and Brainspotting and it changed my life. I was sceptical going in as I had been having therapy for over 20 years and nothing seemed to help. If it works for you it is amazing.
I have my first session on Saturday, I tried everything else, I pray this works 🙏
Angry much?
What is EMDR
@@LisaAnn777
It’s the form of therapy that Dr Grande said the preacher in this video used to “cure” himself from being attracted to men.
The therapy is used for ptsd, Dr Grande is not a fan of it though.
I just told my experience with it.
I suspect Hager went into ministry to help combat his inner demons, but could only appear pious and devout. Walking one's talk is never easy--especially for God's ministers.
He went into ministry for the money and the cover of "get out of free jail card" for his various unchristion activites.
@@user-ic9qm8mb4t Meh, Even though I'm slightly more likely to believe Michael over here, really neither of you can be sure your right. Also, Michael said "I suspect" where as you just stated his motivations, as thought you could possibly know for sure.
I'm not trying to defend the preacher, I'm just sayin.........
in retrospect, that college his father bribed him to attend was probably the worst decision
At 19 God convinced me that He'd made me gay. I'd had no idea that I was. Still I got sucked into a fundamentalist cult for years. The people and some pastors were sweet and sincere. But they were convinced that the cult leader was God's only spokesman. Christianity was just a performance based, "egg and sperm" male supremacist, heterosexual religion. I left reluctantly in '83 feeling defeated. It took decades to dismantle my self hatred.Thank God life slowly got better. Later I renewed my relationship with Christ but not to churches. In the early 2000s court records revealed the grossly immoral lifestyle of the by then dead leader. Naivety can trap you inside a dystopian thought prison.
"I renewed my relationship with Christ but not to churches." The world would be a much better place if more people did this. So many people who are doing evil think that they're serving God when really they are serving their church (setting their church up as the golden calf). Christ has brought so much good to the world. Churches (for the most part) have brought so much evil. I commend you.
@@Bman86674 I do attend and support a gay affirming church congregation. Christianity has to be lived out in community not isolation. But I refuse to buy into church culture, traditions and insularity. The minister is surprised how much I know about real church history and biblical doctrine. I pray, study the bible and practice Christ's inclusive love.
@@barendkamperman1471 I'm glad you found a place you like and that it's working for you. That's great! I strongly disagree that Christianity HAS to be lived out in community (by that I'm assuming you mean church right - not just the community at large). It's my belief that the "don't be a lone ranger Christian" doctrine has caused more harm in our world than most any other false doctrine. It's obvious why churches promote this false teaching. It makes them seem like they are part of the Gospel (which they are not) and it makes people think that they need the church to be close to God and perform His work well (which they most certainly do not). The church echo chamber is what promotes this idea ... just my 2 cents. With that said, I'm glad that place is working out for you. Sounds like a good fit. Good luck and God bless.
Dr. Grande, you sure choose your times like I do - like in the middle of the night. I always set my videos for midnight.
Where are you, I'm in UK, it's 7 am here
@@janefrost1856 - 🇺🇸 The United States of America, baby! 🇺🇸
@@CarrietheCritic Hi, hope you're well
I forgot to add I'm also a British 🇬🇧 descent!
@@CarrietheCritic hope you manage to get some sleep
You were very respectful in the way you approached this situation.
There are many religious leaders in all denominations and faiths that fool others into giving them money and power. It is frustrating to see so many people losing their lives and money in such scams.
Ugh! I remember him from Richard Dawkins documentary. I think it was “The Root of All Evil”. Dawkins went to that church in Colorado and tried to interview him. His arrogance and hypocrisy were on full display during the short scene. Haggard threw Dawkins’ crew in a hostile manner once he was faced with rational questions. He was not a victim of anything. He lived in a cage he built for himself and was miserable. Because he was miserable he used his influence to deny happiness to others. He is a villain.
I interviewed Ted Haggard on my radio program. He's been open to discuss his case publicly.
Did he suck, lick and stroke the microphone? Did you have difficulty pulling it out of his butt?
It doesn’t seem like the discussions have given him much insight
Of course he has, in my opinion he's the sort of human who will do anything for money.
@@marianhunt8899 so would I. This is America. We make money. Duh!
@@robbpowell194 Yes. Ted Haggard on You Tube just posted a response to some news article about him as of 7/31/2022. I don't know anything about it or have much interest in it.
I love that he’ll always be known as the namesake of the Haggard’s Law phenomenon.
“Started his Pontiac fueled journey.” THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED THIS MORNING 😂
From Canada...and a nite owl...thanks for posting late 👍
Right On Time 🧙♂️👍
Just live in the tree of gay, this is crazy that people are still living in denial like this in 2022… 🤦🏼♀️💀
Being a Christian and being gay is simple, don't act on your perversion. You don't have to have sex. Smh.
@@joeking433 - Being a worthless not christian in any way ignorant facts-averse homophobe is simple . Just hate for no good or sane reason . SMH .
how many people said 'who?" after every time he said mike jones
Mike who?!
@@VELK0N MIKE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONES
🤣
I actually found EMDR helpful - the eye-movement and connection of different brain areas (not sure how to describe it, English is not my first language) did make a difference. I appreciate very much the Doc being tolerant about sexual orientation. Bravo! The thing worrying me is that Ted is supposed to have touched a minor inappropriately - is it true? How much of a minor was the guy (16? 20, almost 21?), was it 'consensual' (yeah, I know, as a minor he can't legally consent) - so is Ted an abuser who flew under the radar? That would be worrying and not acceptable to me. Also he is cheating on his wife/partner, which is disgusting
cheating is kind of normal though. Idk that society agrees with you
@@hardtakeoff Cheating is common but socially unacceptable. Op is correct.
@@Zelda_Kitty No, cheating behind someone's back is not considered a positive attribute in any society I've ever heard of, but non-monogamy is a different story.
From someone who has been obsessed with true crime and psychology for the last 25 years with only a secondary level education. In highly appreciate your channel Dr Grande.. Thank you :)
I am so glad I watched today!!! I have PTSD and numerous therapists have insisted that EMDR would help me. It didn't. I thought I was a failure and that just added to things. After a while, I gave up the frustration and made up my own way of dealing with my issues. I identified my triggers and created a way of dealing with the issues before I actually had to face those situations. Basically, I was doing what you have just said. Thank you!!!!!
yeah emdr is trash
EMDR will help you and you are not a failure, your therapist may not be experienced at using EMDR for your particular kind of trauma. Please look into it with someone who uses it along with IFS!
@@harrietthespy2119 not all therapy works for everyone. My partner can't do the movement in EMDR he has sensory issues
EMDR results weren't impressive. The therapist doing it was robotic and cold. I don't think that's a good fit for severely traumatized people. Sorry it wasn't so wonderful as so many people describe. A trained monkey could have uttered an empathic grunt now and then. The therapist who did mine--6 mos.--was cold, not clinical, just robot-like. I have cPTSD, also trained o be a therapist but the PTSD got so bad, I couldn't concentrate enough to finish the license. I would love to hear more of your experience.
My dad went to his church for many years. Never would have guessed he was involved in the things he was.
OMG so did mine! I live in St. Louis so I didn't experience much of New Life but Ted was charismatic and winning and made you feel like you could do anything. Like so many others we were stunned when the news came out, and at first we thought, oh this person has an axe to grind, but as it became apparent that it was all too true we were in a state of disbelief. We got through it but for my dad it was really hard. I guess that's why the Bible tells us not to follow man. They'll let you down every time because they're human.
“A massage that went awry” sounds like a wardrobe malfunction.
Another gem from our lovely Dr Grande
Been looking forward to these late night treats! Thanks Dr.G :)
I can't think of Colorado Springs without being reminded of Ted.
It's deeper than hypocrisy. It's like living in Terror when you consciously repress who you are. Good call Dr.Grande!
and Im sure is what made him in part do drugs to. You are right though it's deeper than hypocrisy. In some instances it's just eveil as well.
Thank you for your generous attitude toward the pastor and keen insight into his personal struggles.
Hi, Dr. Grande! 🌵🌵Thank you for the upload and I wish you a great week☺️
Oh yeah...here in Colorado Springs he was known. New Life Church pretty big here. Always wondered what happened to him. Thanks for your update. I wonder what he did with all that money?
Haggard was interviewed in a documentary by Richard Dawkins, this was before he got into trouble the first time, he was SO arrogant & slimey, he was such a jerk to Richard, it was unbelievable how contrite he was AFTER he got caught though
What I find most disturbing from a Biblical standpoint is when the accusations came out, instead of being like "hey guys, I did something extremely wrong and I am ashamed, I now am going to step down from this position" he doubled down and acted like it was not as serious as it was. In short, for churches that follow the Biblical model of pastoral duties, he is no longer fit for service as a pastor. Not saying he can not maintain other roles but that is a huge breach of his duties.
That aside, I saw the HBO docu and what I saw was an insecure man who lived off the fact he was popular and had a following, and that never sat well with me. I never really got into his doctrinal teachings but I would not be surprised if there were some major things I would call red flags there too.
Thank you for the excellent video as always, Dr. Grande! I really appreciated the explanation of EMDR. Your explanation really clarified why it didn't work for me!
As a pastor myself I’ve noticed that stories of fallen pastors are a particularly rich source of schadenfreude for lots of folks. That’s why it works well as click bait. I wonder, however, if failing to meet the high standards you have set for yourself and others is really worse than not having high standards to begin with?
If you can't meet the standards you set for yourself what makes you think you have any business setting others up for failure?
Living by real standards is better than failing at imaginary high standards.
The dishonesty involved in maintaining the illusion of so called high standards in public when you know you are not putting in the effort you demand of others is something that will always be entertaining to watch unravel.
No one is taking any pleasure in this. As Christians, we are disgusted with hypocritical religious leaders. Jesus was disgusted with hypocritical religious leaders (see Mathew chapter 23). You, however, seem to be supportive of the hypocritical religious leaders. It's interesting when "pastors" make statements that are exactly the opposite of Jesus' statements. Why would this be? Could it be because they know that Jesus is talking about them in Matt 23. Could it be that they are doing the same thing. Why would a "Christian" pastor's opinion be the opposite of Jesus'... something to think about. Also, if you think that expecting a church leader to not be a hypocrite, thief, adulterer, child molester, and liar are "high" standards then I would love to know what "low" standards are to you. You seem to have pretty low standards if you believe this. Much lower than even the general public.
Hey Dr. Grande💖 Thank you for the new video. I most definitely wasn't expecting to get an alert for one of your videos right now, although I'm extremely thankful it did. Thanks for everything you do. Much love💞
A rare case of a pathological liar and consistent grifter who actually got what they deserved, and lives to endure the punishment, which doesn't happen often. People seem to posit his circumstances as tragic, as if he was an unwilling participant, or even a victim of happenstance or confusion but he is evil through and through. He had conscious awareness of the hurt he has caused others in his selfishness and he participated in this for decades, and further to that continued to do so even after being caught out. People like him do untold damage to the fight for any equality. and undermine any attempts at positive activism.
This man is only as evil as the perverts that make school children look at drag queens.
Unfortunately it sounds like he’s back to his scammy ways, running his own church and somehow living in a mansion again, if the comment above from @Hmmn M is true.
EMDR is a very real treatment for many people. Consider doing your homework on this and speak of the results to veterans and many others with trauma……
Dr Grande, you’re so brilliant and interesting. This was a great upload. Thank you!
Thanks for the analysis, Dr. Grande!
Hello, Dr. Grande. It's been a while since I commented. Thank you for such a concise explanation of EMDR. The non-profit I work for got on the EMDR bandwagon in early 2020. They were sending anybody and everybody to training/certification that cared to take advantage of the OVERLY expensive seminars. My direct observation of cases using EMDR show about a 40% success rate but a deeper, QA study, found about 20% of those successes were due to other factors: sobriety, successful lifestyle changes, proper diagnosing, etc. About the only thing it has encouraged me to do as a clinician is find 1-2 CLEVER additions, to, say, CBT, like CBT-JK, publish a paper and hit TED Talks, I always enjoy your analysis of topics, especially modalities that are not as advertised.
Love the video, gotta mention… lateral eye movements have been verified to calm the amygdala. I think there are 4 papers (2 on human studies) on this?
How many times does this have to happen before we quit believing these guys and quit giving them our money. Go buy a homeless man lunch! These guys make me sick😝
Love you anx your content and sense of humor! You are also so thorough covering each story.🙏❤️
Power attracts the corruptible. Be wary of all who seek it.
Another excellent expose and analysis! Sadly, mankind builds cathedrals and temple's, creates holidays and traditions, while all is asked of them is to love God and one's fellow man, as set forth (measured), by the standards as represented in the Ten Commandments. Money should never factor into this. (Matthew 7:7-8)
You're a real Christian. Unlike the charlatan such as Ted.
Religion is man’s imperfect way of relating to God. Jesus Christ is God’s Perfect Way of relating to man. However,
“Loving one’s fellow man“ is taken too literally today by some who claim to follow Christ. The self-centered desire for lust, power and control over others is the debased root of all depraved demonic and human sexualities and politics.
@@mjschumaker I agree!
@@marianhunt8899 Thank you Marian...When reading I check not only the Greek, but Hebrew and Aramaic because much can be lost in the translation. Even the names, such as Yosef and Yeshua have a Hebrew root meaning.
I do not believe his denial about not using meth. I do not believe his assertion that he did not become sexual with his massage therapist.
Ted is lying.
A very instructive history of a life gone awry. Thanks Dr. Grande.
It's no surprise that someone accepting $138k as a salary to be a pastor would have many other moral downfalls.
Can’t sleep crew?!?
Present. 🤗
Pre-sent
Here!
Present my friend. 👍
@@SquadJuiced so funny that really crossed my mind lol
Hi Dr. G!
I really love your content. Maybe you could do a video on the Cherish Periwinkle case too? It was really shocking and heartbreaking but I think it would make for an interesting video.
Yes I agree I would love Dr. Grande's take on that horrific case as well. The man who killed her is an absolute monster. And the recordings of him in the jail talking about minors and then specifically Cherish... I have never ever heard a perpetrator talk so freely about their crime and utterly despicable sexual desires. It turned my stomach to hear that. And cherish's mother is a... piece of work I guess you can say. I'm not sure she's all there. I highly suspect she was on drugs and that clouded her judgement. Dr. Grande's analysis of both of them would be interesting.
@@Lilboozibert i couldn't find one when I looked but I'll look again.
Great job 👏🏼 excellent concepts and a dash of dry humor!!
Very interesting! Thank you, Dr grande
I love your channel
I'd be interested in a review of Dr. Eugene Scott - he had some odd shows on late night TV.
I tend to skip the analyses of murders etc, but stuff on celebrities, scandals and white collar crimes I always like to watch.
Thank you Dr. Grande, I appreciate you doing these Videos. Your explanations are understandable. Sonia from California
I watched the documentary and one thing that confused me was the church told him he couldn't live in Colorado? How can a church tell someone what state they can't live in? Maybe we do live in a theocracy after all. Also that "church" isn't very Christian, I mean Haggard had children, how can a church kick an entire family out of a state? Very confused.
If they excommunicate a parent the whole family is excommunicated. That’s how it works. No it’s not nice.
A little anecdote, everyone I have ever met who “talked smiled” in their regular conversations with me was a complete fraud and creep. I never met Haggard, but one look at him and it’s clear the dysfunction runs deep. Where the fcuk did they learn to do that?
It’s their own insecurity. My brother in law does it too. He was a rich farmer who loves money and popularity more than the Lord.
Great analysis Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️
Thanks for doing videos like this one!
A church with a “multi million dollar campus” tells me he was preaching to tickle peoples ears and wallets. Makes me appreciate even more my pastor who preaches in a rented warehouse to a congregation of a few dozen while wearing jeans and worn out sneakers. I couldn’t find the Spirit and Word of God until I stopped looking in those big churches.
Being poor or rich is not a mark of spirituality. I've grown long tired of poverty loving Christians as much as health and wealth Christian prosperity pimps. Neither camp is good. I hate jeans and sneakers too.
God is low budget
Maybe like Groucho Marx, Ted didn’t want to be a member of any club that would have him.
I agree
lol. Love this comment, Catherine! Grouch Marx was hilarious! 🤣
Always interesting.
Thank you.
Peace 💕🇺🇲
His wife must possess an incredible capacity for forgiveness.
I’m so embarrassed for this man just listening to your flat affect description of his scammery and nonsense. I really feel
Bad for his wife who obvs has chosen to just bury her head in the sand and keep her blinders on.
Please don't feel bad for the wife. It's a strange sort of fantasy among some crowds that these churches are all male dominated. I came out of the world of fundamentalist Christians, and I can say for sure that the abuse is a team effort among the sexes. In every church I have ever experienced there is an inner circle of older women who are all up in everyone's business and know about every bit of abuse down to the golden children in church daycare who don't get in trouble for hitting. On the outside they are innocence and ignorance, but church ladies have many ugly faces.
I think the wife was aweare of this from the biggining
@@glorybloggerm1147 Cesar's wife: "I will ACT the part"........in order to not have to work and keep getting all the gravy, .......for doing nothing. Lots of women are like this, even today after half a century of equality work.
Haggard's taken more balls to the chin than Yogi Berra. Used more drugs than Mike "My Pillow" Lindell....😜
Kool analysis Dr G!!!
Blown away that he's still married.
I recall in 2012 Ted called a Colorado Springs neighbor basically telling the disabled sailor that he was missed - so, come on back to the flock. The neighbor was very impressed that Ted was missing him...the guy was excited to go back to Ted's church. I had to lol and call BS telling the vet to think really hard about why he was called by Ted.
just amazing that they continue to be able to get so many that don't see through this BS.
Why did Ted want him back....?
I went to a church called New Life when I was a teen, over 30 years ago, here in Australia. It was super weird, but I had a friend who was super in to it.
Did you get saved?
@@dirtymikentheboys5817 no
Excellent analysis!
I respect you as you mostly give good intelligent analysis, you deserve all who follows you
Amazing the impact that “pastors” have, considering there is only one mention of them in the bible, and it is in a list of other helpers named for the church. Modern Evangelicalism is not found in the bible…. Unless you want to compare it to the Pharisees of the time.
No such thing as Sr. Pastors or any instructions by the followers of Jesus to take over government or stir up things over dislike of current government.
People of the book? Nope. People of the pastor, more like.
It's all over the world, evil that is.
Organized religion preying on the weak and needy and desperate? As a recovering catholic, here's my surprised face: 😐
The One Eyed Farmers are Everywhere, Religion and Politics
@@theunclejesusshow8260 Intruiging...please elaborate. 🤔
@@theunclejesusshow8260 Nevermind, I just subbed. 😊
@@empressoftheknownuniverse I explained the basics in my last video, a few hours ago. You'll see it.
The thumbnail is an eye👁
Perfect timing. I'm stuck at the train track. Might as well watch UA-cam. Thankfully it's Dr. Grande to the rescue... 👏 👏
Excellent insight Dr Grande on his lessons being hypocrisy and deception!