Climber is Charged After Partner Survives 1,000 Foot Fall | Jason Lance Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Jason Lance?
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I've met men like Lance: believes he's much better & more able than he actually is. Gets into trouble (often caused by that overconfidence); panics & starts bleating for help, then denies he was that scared, blames it on others etc. These people can be a real liability.
yeah just like hudson from aliens
Just as I about started to type a comment saying that sounds like my someone I know who you were describing, I realized that you have his exact same name. Not many Gavins out there..😄 threw me for a second.
@@Nobluffbuff Spooky! Well, hopefully I'm not the same as the Lance guy, either!
Strange, this seems to be a personality type, as I’ve met bumbling jerks like this too.
One of the good doctor's best! Ego meets rock. As an ex climber, I love it. Probably why I'm alive today. Respect the mountain, the abilities and the weather.
Even though my partners a and I were well prepared, we had turned around maybe 20 percent of the time due to situations we were not willing to insure. I.e. extreme weather, avalanche conditions etc. Recognizing when to turn around is a strong survival skill. I guess we learned it from too many rescues in mountain search and rescue.
“His hands are too large for the little keys.” I love your deadpan delivery.
There's been an unfortunate trend in inexperienced hikers using emergency rescue like a taxi service to get out of difficult (sometimes potentially dangerous but not life threatening) descents.
NH had to start charging people for abusing the system in the Presidential Range. Some people would call, simply because they didn't want to climb back down in bad weather.
It's extremely expensive to fly out, as well as dangerous. And every selfish call takes the rescue team away from being able to help someone else who is in actual danger for their life.
Some climbers see Denali/McKinley as an "easy" mountain. They see it as much lower than mountains in the Himalayas and even lower than the highest mountain in South America, Mt. Aconcagua, which can be hiked on its most accessible route. Climbers from South Korea have become notorious for being ill-prepared and expecting automatic rescue. I remember watching a documentary where substantial expenditures in years, money, and effort by a Spanish team were derailed by having to rescue a South Korean climber who was woefully unprepared in training and equipment.
People forget that the barometric pressure is lower than the equivalent altitude elsewhere because of its northern location. Also, somehow, they forget that Denali is in freaking Alaska! The highest mountain that close to the polar regions and the weather can be brutal.
@@jmchez -- CORRECT. | But, in the Hollywood Version of the U.S. in A.D. 2022, everybody can be everything and anything by cosplaying, and then calling the government for rescue from amateur mistakes; the mysteries of eternal adolescence.
Yikes…
These people are called by the anatomical part of a woman's body that Trump loves to grab.
Mariano: 💯% Truth!
This whole video was incredible, Dr. Grande! Wow!
I remember watching a documentary years ago about rescue teams, and how they spoke about how overly confident 'thrill seekers' not only put their own lives at incredible risk, but the people who have to gravely endanger their own lives to save them, and these aren't people who need to be rescued from a hurricane or some other tragedy, these are people who not only have reckless regard for their own life, but also the people who have to rescue them when they're hit with the reality of their own self importance being deeply humbled.
I loved when you said "I think the mountain is particularly dangerous for people with narcissistic traits, because it cannot be manipulated. The mountain does not have empathy. It is immune to deception, and it has no mercy."
So brilliantly said! ♡♡
I particularly liked your concluding thoughts about people with narcissistic traits being accustomed to get their way with people but being bested by a mountain which is impervious to manipulation or deception.
The description of the Denali climb reminded me of my walking to school in the Minnesota winters. It was the 1970s, we were bundled up like the Randy from Christmas Story pushed out of our warm houses to walk a mile through snow drifts over our heads and the bitter cold. No I never had the urge to climb a mountain. I achieved my goal, graduated from Elementary and went onto to Junior High on a bus!!! 🚌🚌🚌
I also had to walk with my younger sister nearly a mile to elemenrary school in all weather.
And if you wore a hat or toque on very cold days, in the high school years, you were called a wimp. Even Mt Everest with the wind doesn't get as cold as that cold North American plains weather.
3 miles uphill both ways
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I lived in Indiana until actually on my birthday we moved to Ohio but in Indiana we had to walk to school in my town Connersville Indiana and yep you bundled up scarves hats gloves boots big coats and sometimes we even walked home for lunch we had a hour and a half when I was in junior high school there 7th grade and sometimes we walked home for lunch just depends on what was going on in finances I guess but my boys won't even listen to my story they make fun because I tell them how far I had to walk and it was probably a mile maybe more I don't remember cuz I spend many years ago but snow can be three feet tall yeah that's not any fun 😁
Mine was the 1960s, I have no desire to climb 🧗♀️ a mountain 🏔.
Jason choked, got scared, made up a story, and tried to erase the evidence of this. He had no business on that climb and should have been banned for life.
Also put the rescuing team in danger.
Let’s not forget it’s freaking HAZARDOUS to land a rescue helo on the side of snowy mountain at nearly 20,000 feet. That’s not a trivial thing.
@@jusbus92gross. Bot.
I remember the video from a decade ago where a rescue helicopter had trouble with mountain wind, causing the blades to hit the ground. It crashed and rolled down the slope quite a ways. That made another group of people who needed to be rescued.
It is literally the hardest maneuver.
I thought the title implied that one person tried to kill their climbing partner?
Me too. Too close to clickbait for my taste.
I kept waiting for that
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Tyou
My Dad used to say some people have too much money for their own good.
Your Dad is a brilliant man, and I totally agree with him. I wish the good Lord would bless me with that kind of cash!!
the airplane Beechcraft Bonanza is known as "The doctor killer." Be very wary of general aviation pilots. Huge ego's and many are only trained for VFR flight. They then get caught in IMC (clouds,fog,rain,snow) conditions, become spatially disoriented and crash into the ground/sea. It's what killed JFK Jr.
Alcoholics and addicts along with idiots who give money to people online they've never met. 🙄
It's called having "more money than brains".
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 what about you? What do you spend your money on? Useless services like cable TV or Spotify ?
Am i the only one who listens to Dr Grande before bed as a soothing voice of reason in the midst of a chaotic world? Sweet dreams fellow curious humans who love dry humor and crime analysis…
I do as well. Perfect voice to fall asleep with 😊
I listen to Dr. Grande at any point in the day when I need a soothing voice of reason...even if it's just my thoughts that are making me crazy!
Me too! Lurid tales usually disturb me, but Dr. G.’s soft voice lulls me right off to sleep.
Always! His videos are perfect for falling asleep. The pitch and cadence of his voice are very relaxing.
Every night before I go to sleep
Jason is the kind of climber that almost got me killed on Mt Rainier a few years back. From that point I stopped climbing with people either I or my climbing friends dont know.
I know I’m late but I want to hear that story!
You should’ve never started climbing with strangers. That’s a recipe for disaster.
I about peed my pants on the "It's funny how people look up the last leg to the summit and all of a sudden remember they left something plugged at the house." Hilariously true!
Always my iron too.
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The knobs on the gas kitchen stove or forgetting to lock the door.🤣
@@annann4786😅😅😮ípp
Someone probably has already said this, but I can't help myself - "mountain has no empathy, immune to deception, no mercy". Applause, Doctor
Nature certainly could care less about someone's BS, that's for sure.
You say "the mountain has no empathy". Are there are any caring, empathetic mountains out there, or are _all_ mountains cold, uncaring sociopaths like ^Denali? 😁
Like the highest point in Florida? 😊
@@itsallspent My friend lives in Florida, I'll need to ask him
I've seen Denali many times, from the air, the train, the highway and the park bus, but I will never forget that first time, from the train on the way from Anchorage to Fairbanks. No combination of adjectives is sufficient to describe the sheer size and magnificence. Even on a clear day it reveals itself in successive stages of increasing height, each one more brilliant and vast than the last, and you think each must be the final summit, then another higher ridge reveals itself. That was more than 40 years ago but the memory is bright as it was that first time. To this real backwoodsman, no cheechako, it is the height of hubris to climb it, and by the description provided, these folks had no buisness there at all.
Larry Buzbee --- But what about their vanities? Don't they have a right to pretend?
@@marianotorrespico2975 Sometimes vanities are destroyed in bonfires, sometimes in ice, apparently. Parlate l'Italiano? Se il caso, anch'io.
I think the other couple was perfectly capable of climbing Denali. Even the man who fell was very experienced - he simply got altitude sickness, which can happen to anyone climbing those heights. It was Jason Lance who was the unfortunate weak link, although the other couple probably should’ve insisted that Rawski turn when he first started exhibiting the signs of altitude sickness. Still - he was not their partner. I have no doubt what would’ve happened: Jason Lance would’ve refused to turn back, and left Adam Rawski with Wilson and Maynard.
I am a (mostly retired) mountain climber and couldn't agree more about the false summit's, they can be brutal if you aren't really good with a topo map and study where you are going first. I have seen many people be overcome by them, pushing with their last strength to reach goals that are not there and having to suddenly change plans. It is a mental focus of razor sharpness many challenging hikes/climbs require, I call it getting into the "zone", an almost Zen like trance with one step at a time. I am not sure if I have conveyed what I am trying to say but I am sure many might sort of understand what I am mean. Seeing Denali the way you described it is perfect though, lovely description!❤✌🏻
@@canterburytail2294 Please excuse in advance the following essay, but I think we may have taken similar paths, and having had a great deal of time to think about these things I'm in the mood to expound to a fellow traveller.
I've climbed a few, and hiked a bit too and in many different places, but my real deal, till my knees wore out, was solo unsupported long distance road cycling (and daily commuting to stay in shape). All such endurance 'sports' are in fact, at their core, exercises in mind over matter, or more accurately, will over mind over body.
First the body says it's too tired to go on and the mind overrules the body for a time. To do so the brain begins to shut down some ordinarily active regions to free up glucose for the hungry, tired muscles. This results in a literally altered state of conciousness that the practicioner comes to know and love. Lets call it Level 2, or second wind.
When some suite of neurotransmitters, hormones, nutrients, electrolytes and what have you are even further depleted, over or under saturated, oxidized etc. through further intense exertion we arrive at Level 3. This is where the will to go on can overrule the rational mind and either the rubber or your face meets the road/gravel/ice/reef depending on how adept you are.
This is also where, if properly managed and prepared for we endurofolk find the first signs of the "almost Zenlike" state you speak of. But I strongly disagree with your "almost" because in my experience when persued to Level 4 as described below, it is indistinguishable from what has been called by many names; satori, transcendance, Zen, Tao, etc.
The main differences between our physical practice and the spiritual path is that the penalties for failure while sitting in meditation, such as passing out into your tea cup are all out of proportion to fatally veering into traffic or falling off a mountain due to a momentary misjudgement or lapse of attention in our cases.
Endurofolk, by necessity, must remain intimately connected to the real world moment to moment so as to not die or mangle their actual real physical bodies while spirtual practitioners minds are free to wander in realms where ordinary physics do not apply, not to put too fine of a point on it. The escalating shut down of faculties like the capacity for coherent speech, stable posture etc, will provide ample warning to the initiate that your judgement and balance will fail next and it's past time to take a break and not make any further critical decisions except to retreat or call for help in necessity. That's Level 3 pro style.
But I tell you what my friend, and I'm pretty sure you know this, when done right and safely savored in your resting gear of choice at end of day, refueled, profoundly relaxed and properly, ah, remediated, we reach Level 4. I cannot imagine a finer state of being, elevated in mind and body, simultaneously present and absent, knowing that you have approached and thereby honored the exertions of our ancient ancestors' mighty, initially naked prowess on the long, fraught journey from Olduvai to here and now.
As a percentage of the total 'first world' population, very few people ever in their lives achieve that Level 3&4 thing that dogged everone's heels, honed their bodies and senses, inspired our souls and sharpened up the gene pool for the vast majority of the last 250k, or 3.5 billion years, depending on your choice of zero.
Most now spend their entire adult lives entirely in service to a giant soul sucking machine exactly because it enables them to completely avoid coming close enough to Level 2 to know it even exists except perhaps when fighting the crowds for a new I phone or dwindling supply of toilet paper. Meanwhile the requirements and risks of going further are, to coin a phrase "Incontheivable!".
More apropos of the OP here, and to summarize; add together altitude, exhaustion, fear, bad attitude, bad weather, selfie culture, overconfidence and inexperience with Level 3 altered conciousness and the outcome is entirely and predictably unfortunate for all concerned. If you mean to climb Denali, of all places, you had better go for the right reasons and with all your faculties, both physical and moral, well accounted for. Mountains are alive too, like Wizards, so we are told, they are subtle and often quick to anger.
“I think they’re aware they’d rather remain alive.” I love your dry humor!
I’ll never understand how climbing a huge mountain in the freezing cold weather amounts to fun for some people.
@Jimmy from Philly That's what I was going to say lol
@@frankG335 Great summary of challenges in life.
@A.S No thanks. Looks absolutely miserable.
I know.. and the peeps who climb up to wear they need oxygen... it looks like hell 😂😂😂🤣
Maybe they think if Sylvester Stallone could do it in Cliffhanger, they can too.
I love the ending of this, where the narcissist and the mountain clash! You're a great thinker, and a very clever writer as well.
I've climbed Denali, and many other big peaks. I've seen this sort of thing increasingly this last decade or so, on mountains, while running the Grand Canyon, or at my home in the Tetons.
People rely on their satellite devices and phones as a crutch. They not only expect, but DEMAND immediate assistance.
If you're going to do this stuff you MUST go with the mindset that you are on your own, or stay home. Not too long ago that was the attraction of such activities.
Personally, I would do anything to avoid a ride in a helicopter off the West Buttress. I felt far safer up there relying on my ice axe and crampons.
Well said.
I grew up in a family of climbers and recently have started conquering a few peaks.. but where I noticed this spoiled "I'll just send for help" attitude the most is on the PCT (Pacific Crest trail for those who haven't decided to hike from Mexico to Canada).
I did so, I prepared for months, my walls recovered in maps and even though I solo I was linked in distance and emergency phone ispf necessary with a group of guys hiking up from LA. I am female and rather short so I knew it was going to take me a very long time (5 months) but I would not have done so had I not been through hiking my entire life and in not been preparing for months beforehand both in health and research.
Nowadays the PCT is a must for all social media influencers. They photographed their passes when they get them in the mail and they get a tattoo if they finish.. but in between it is an atrocious overpopulated Highway full of ill-informed beginner hikers.
I don't know how many times I had to tell people if they rushed it and they twist their ankle and they're in a case where they can't get out of somewhere they're going to have to hike hike out on their own... possibly not true, obviously if a hiker is disabled with a leg injury rescue service would try to get to them. But I would say so because I was sick and tired I've seen people with this attitude of "well, I'm just going to push myself and if I injure myself emergency services will come scoop me up in a helicopter. A) not always the case and B) not necessary if you're prepared.
Makes a lot of sense to me. 🏔️🏂❄️🏔️🏂🌨️🗻🏔️❄️🏞️
From what I've read , especially high altitude climbers when you go you know you're on your own . I just read the story of Reinhold messner and his brother on nanga parbat. Even after losing his brother high on the mountain Reinhold made his way down the mountain with severe frostbite and lost 7 toes. 6 days later he made into a local village and got help.
Your so kool!!!
I have always thought that situations like this occur more frequently that most people believe. Thanks Dr. Grande for putting the spotlight on it.
We have cases of that kind all the time in Austria. Even a 20 meter hill can kill you, if you just fall from it “the right way”. And I think our time, where everybody, be it advertisement or social media, vies for your attention, amplifies narcissistic tendencies. The mountains however do not care how many followers on Instagram they have, they _are._ And a certain kind of people just doesn't get it. And then they are surprised to no end when the Alpine rescue services charge them for the cost of the rescue. It is bad, really bad.
Brilliant analysis, as usual! Living in a state where outdoor activities such as hiking and climbing are abundant, the news of unprepared, underequipped, and reckless participants is heard often! The cost of the rescues, and the danger faced by the rescuers, is very high. I had never considered the narcissistic angle before in these cases, and think you are spot on. Ego, entitlement, magical thinking- all exacerbate the potential problems. Of course, sometimes even the best prepared folks have accidents or sudden health crises. And the rescuers are truly heroes!! Thank you for another enlightening and entertaining case!! ❤
At least no one died in this case. Im pretty sure Dr. Grande covered the case with the couple, their baby and their dog, who went out for a hike unprepared and they all died.
As I think about it, it applies to all types of situations. The drunk driver or distracted driver who hits someone or the driver who chooses not to put on a seatbelt and ends up projecting through the windshield. The morbidly obese person who requires 4 people to lift / turn them in the hospital bed. The list goes on. We really lack personal accountability and community - we are all connected but we act like we're not. Thank goodness there are first responders who want to help us despite our selfish ways!
@@jenm6977 Yes my RN ER busband is crippled for life from pushing a gurney with a very obese man late at night...it completely wrecked his ankle amnd he did not have medical coverage because he was an independent contract worker. He has been on a cane with an almost constant limp ever since. Like many men he jist bear it ...he isnt a complainer.We moved out of the USA soon after and he cannot even use Medicare but we do have a happier and better quañity of lofe here.
@@latinaalma1947I’ve heard of that being an issue before from someone. It must be somewhat common. Hopefully your husband can recover as much as possible.
@@PenskePC17 Thank you.
Dr. Grande, your dry humor is priceless😂 I truly enjoy your segments, as your analysis are insightful, and well thought out.
3:28 - 3:46 😊
Good analysis Doc. As a lover of mountain hiking most of my life, I've often said that hiking is a perfect analog for life. Mt climbing is that on steroids. It exposes people for what they are, both the good and the bad. The mountain is uncaring, impartial and without pity. It's the perfect place for men and women to learn the truth about themselves.
They’ll only learn the truth if they’re open to self criticism. It sounds like Jason (and possibly others) just dug in his Egoic heals even more, after being exposed.
Self realization is a huge pill to swallow; most people just choke on it.
@@canileaveitblank1476 A person can realize something about themselves without making a public admission about it. Can't say that happened in this case but I suspect it did.
Yeah, I went on a hike a few months ago with some friends. It is normally a 2.5 to 3 hour hike up fairly steep track to get to an elevation where snow and ice is forming on the mountain and then a 3 hour descent. It took me 5+ hours to reach the lookout and I was physically spent and absolutely exhausted. I knew I was unfit but didn't realise exactly how unfit I was.
Have you ever read Julius Evola? Meditation on the peaks” is fantastic
@@TheTruthKiwi Fortunately your misjudgment didn't cost you your life. I had several experiences in the mountains when I was young and foolish that should've ended me but didn't. I suppose that same fearless foolishness enabled me to survive. Yep, I think it did.
I always prefer the Big Picture…which includes seeing the mountain from a distance.
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Me too haha
Same sense of humor as the doctor, I see.
oh my goodness i love your username!
I like the way you think.
I get nervous stepping up to the second rung on a ladder.
3:42 I always remember that you are actually a comedian in therapist clothing.
I don't know how you maintain such an even deadpan tone with such good jokes; but Leslie Nielson would be proud.
I was asked to be a wilderness first responder at Denali. It is solely run by the US Army and used as a training post whilst they also bring in outside contractors (like I would have been since I have never served)
It's one of only less than a handful of mountains in the US this service is provided solely by the military and its contractors alone. This makes what he did even more egregious even though it should be equally as bad with civilian only reacue ops. Taking resources or putting them in harm's way is a gross mistep and being that I also work in the medical field I'm actually shocked he was allowed to keep his medical license after something like this. It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal but it most certainly was.
I know someone who would have made it to the top except she gave up her “summit day” to look after two climbers she didn’t know who were in physical danger, nursing them in their snow cave. Now that’s a hero. And that’s a successful climb.
Exactly
Well said!
Spending a day helping 2 people survive is much more impressive than getting to the very top of a mountain you’ve already climbed up most of the way. That is a very successful climb
Just to play devil's advocate, she was likely ready to give up, anyways, so when the opportunity arose to throw in the towel whilst saving face, looking like a hero and having a story to tell that makes her look compassionate and selfless, she took it.
She had more grit in physical, mental and emotional accomplishments than anyone I’ve ever met. Stories not for here. Denali incident entirely in keeping with what I know of her.
As a climber, I can say you did a great job of summarizing some of the toxic behaviors amongst mountaineers. Well done here
Such a great point. Nature is a great equalizer and a mirror to ourselves. It is truly indifferent.
Thought the same. He nailed it. Alot of the time, experienced mountaineers, extreme skiers etc are unassuming, calculated and don't do it for bragging rights but like the internal challenge. Usually very low key.
“His intestines were making frequent visits to the complaint department” surprised me into an lol (during fairly serious work on health demographics :) Thank you for your levity and another great video.
I too appreciate the subtle yet descriptive wit. Grande strikes again!!
Health demographics? That sounds seriously racist
That cannot be easy in this environment.....
Really like your sense of humour…very difficult with the subject matter! Your jokes and puns are funny,gentle never cruel.I’m from the UK home of Ricky Gervais.Thanks for your vids.
His jokes are subtle enough that they can be brushed off as bad phrasing or witty commentary, but funny enough to lighten up a serious subject. Dr. Grande is also a comedian, not just a psychiatrist.
I love the 2 seasons of the " The Office" with Gervais ! So funny
Your sense of humor is fantastic! The snippets of light hearted comedy never take away from the learning, in fact they add to it :)
You mention an executive, then a radiologist. These people are able to buy their way into a dangerous sport where there's no coach to stop them.
That's ridiculous
Both professions require a somewhat oversized personal confidence level. Perhaps that served neither one of them well with Denali's might. It's always a good idea to remain humble where Mother Nature is boss.
These people, and many others like those who attempt Mt. Everest, might have money and access to the sport, but they are either Darwin Award recipients or as in this case highly qualified candidates. I have no sympathy for them.
@@user-ic1lo9wh5f...it may be ridiculous, but sometimes the truth is ridiculous.
@@mikelobrien you don't 'buy into' alpine climbing like in art or race car driving. The climbing community is very humble and get theirs ego checked all the time. Fakers don't make it very long (or high) in that sport.
Dr. Grande, thank you for the analysis, it’s as usual packed with plenty humor… “when the narcissists try to manipulate the mountain, they run into a rock” 😂😭😭
Love the variety of your work. You give such a wide selection of human behaviour. I learn something new with each case. Keep up the good work. Take care.
My biggest fear is that I'll climb a mountain (Denali, Everest, whatevs) and remember my plugged-in coffee maker right as I'm nearing the summit. That's why I don't climb mountains.
I love it when our OCD keeps us safe!! Yay!!🎉😂
@@Isabella66Gracen that's all it took for you to come to the conclusion that she has OCD?
As for you, have you been diagnosed with OCD?
Wise of you.
This is the best and most complete Denali story I've ever heard
People get into trouble all the time in NH Mt. Washington. A mountaineer quoted in boston globe after a recent climber death caught in bad weather said he was still alive in his hobby because he knew when to turn back. I never forgot that advice.
Used to live in Boston and would hike in the area. It would infuriate me when I would hear stories of experienced people taking their inexperienced friends up there and then getting them killed. Charges of manslaughter would be appropriate.
A horse will drop dead, trying. A mule will use his brain, and will refuse.
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There are times when stubbornness can be a gift.
“They wanted it to be a surprise rescue.” 😂
Yea that was "cute" on the Dox part, but you don't know what communications Ahole with the radio deleted or what else he did to sabotage the climb. Would you, if you had the chance, climb with Mr. Knowit All Text Delete-or?
Bob ! You tha man !
I’m going to go climb this *huge* mountain ….”Nope.. I just remembered I want to stay alive”…LOL😂
I've been around a while and have seen some people in your line of work talk bad about what you do here. There may be some information I am not privy to but you should be able to use your free time and education any way you see fit.
This channel is a good addition to the true crime family and often, if not always, you have some useful insight to help people understand what may be going on in these situations. You are entertaining people and giving a perspective from a professional angle that a lot of people appreciate. You are never malicious and even your tame dry jokes are never out of bounds.
You don't hurt anyone and may have even helped a few along the way. Keep up the good work and don't listen to the gatekeepers that think this type of thing is below their station or you are giving info that they think should not be freely handed out. I can't afford to donate so I figured at least this comment may carry some value. Cheers!
I don't like walking up the incline in my backyard
I abandoned my climb of Denali. I was very efficient in my decision and began and abandoned at 1,260 feet.
My daughter worked on a fishing boat in Anchorage for seven years. It’s dangerous! (But pays really well) Thank you for this educational vid, Dr Grande!
That last quip about narcissists and mountains was very very well done and so true. I’ve seen other videos of mountain climbers that have no business being up at Everest or k2 and going along because it’s something they can hang on their wall to show how great they are or they can bring it up at every dinner party/work convo. You can fool people but you can’t fool Mother Nature.
"This is ridiculous. His fingers are too large for those little keys..."☃️🤣🤣☃️
I really liked your thoughts on narcissists and mountains :)
The Acute Mountain Sickness that Adam was experiencing - any experienced climber will tell you - when that is happening - It Is Time To Descend. Any and all climbing should only be done at the pace of the slowest climber. But if that climber is ill - all should descend - if going as a group. The ego of the climber who attempted the summit alone is common in mountain climbing - and usually creates deadly results. No ropes descending The Audubon area was another huge error. Judgment on the mountain changes with lack of oxygen. So, decision making is skewed.
There is significant expense in requesting a helicopter rescue in these circumstances. Deleting the messages may have been a way to avoid the responsibility of payment for the rescue.
It is an incorrect assumption that each person is responsible for themselves when climbing a mountain. Although this "team' was a bit thrown together - each is responsible for all.
Your final thought about the mountain is amazingly correct. The mountain itself decides who will summit and who will not. Especially a Sacred Summit - Like Denali.
I really like your take in the end on narcissism vs the mountain.
As Richard Feynman said "You can’t fool nature" but I never though about it from that specific perspective.
The ease with with some people confuse "determination to do whatever you want at any cost" with some sort of positive character trait is frightening. As though all you have to do is "not be scared to believe X" and somehow X will become true?
I think you did a great job of pointing out all the possible reasons this unfortunate incident happened, Dr. Grande. Big egos and lack of respect for nature are always a bad mix. I've spent a little time hiking the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and too many people get injured as a result of their own stupidity and lack of preparedness.
Surprising to hear Jason is prior service. All service members know when you go out, you're on your own. He really had a sense of entitlement.
I'd bet he was lying abt that, as well.
there's plenty of duds in the military
Rich Person's Entitlement Syndrome. That's what I call it. And I have seen it first hand.
Just because one has wealth, doesn't mean they have class.
This guys so calm it’s unnerving.
This expedition is rough. Just getting there is difficult. We had a guy with our group with an everest and k2 summit that turned back.
i admire their humility. every encounter is it's own context, and just because he could climb everest on that day doesn't mean he could climb mckinley in this one. you have to be able to analyze your abilities and the conditions honestly, every time.
In the UK these idiots set out walking in remote areas in bad weather wearing flip flops and shorts, fully expecting to get rescued for free. The mountain rescue organisations are volunteers BUT the paramedic ambulances and helicopters are paid for by taxpayers. Time these people were made to take out extreme sports insurance. I understand that in france a mayor is so sick of these idiots that you have to pay a bond of €15,000 to climb the local peak, being used for either rescue or funeral.
Hey Dr. G, thanks for the video-an early birthday present for me! 🥳 My nephew’s middle name is McKinley after this mountain. Great point about mountains and nature being immovable-an important reminder for all, especially narcissistic outdoorsmen! 😀👍
Good afternoon Dr Grande , it's the 1st August in Australia , so it's my birthday today, but I would like to turn it around and say thank you for your uploads , they never fail too make make many day. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
Happy birthday I've got 40-ish minutes till the 1st but hope you have a great birthday
It’s my birthday too so happy birthday, birthday twin! Hope you have a wonderful day! 🥳🥳
Happy birthday 🎂❤hope you are having a lovely day!❤🎂
Happy Birthday to you!
Happy Birthday Cotton.
The talk at the very end of the video about the mountain being too much for a narcissist was excellent. One of the best descriptions I have ever heard of how narcissists take to survive.
I marvel at how you can make me laugh about a serious case - several times - and when I least expect it. Well done, as always.
Jason sounds like a real piece of work. I’m glad he was charged.
Dr Grande is the man love his takes on these cases 😂
Jason probably behaves like this in all his relationships, both professional and private.He didnt know anything about any of these people, had just met them, but still tried to control them and the situation. We all know that type.
At first, I thought this was going to be a case of attempted murder. I thought someone was pushed and survived. I'm glad I was wrong. I don't understand Jason's actions at all. As a teenager my parents decided to climb Mt. Whitney as a family. I think it's over 14,000 feet. We didn't use ropes we hiked the trail. Halfway up hikers pitch tents and spend the night at Mirror Lake. Where cute Golden Marmots can be seen peaking their heads out of holes. At some point on the trail we ran into three brawny looking women. They were the strongest looking women I'd ever seen. Not only were they super tall but they were large boned with calves the size of basketballs and they were wearing heavy duty hiking boots. When they saw me and my sister they scoffed at us. We were model thin and were wearing light weight sneakers that weren't even suitable for the hike. They looked at us with scorn and laughter and said, "You'll never make it. This is our third attempt and we didn't make it, again. You don't have a chance." They laughed at us and headed back down off the mountain.
We continued the hike in spite of their prediction of doom and we ended up making it clear to the top of the mountain. There's an empty cabin at the very top and the view is spectacular. Then we hiked back down to Mirror Lake and spent the night again before hiking back down the next morning. It wasn't an easy hike but we made it and my theory is this >>> Because we were light weight and our shoes were too, I feel it made it easier for us to make it to the top. If we had been wearing mega boots like them, we might have been too weighted down to make it too. lol
Light of ego too. Well done
you were lucky with the weather
@@Gullsz Actually, there was a lot of wild thunder and lightning at the very top by the cabin, but I don't remember any rain, if there was rain it was light, and for some reason I can't remember how close or far off in the distance the lightning was. I just remember seeing lightning against pinkish-purple mountains off in the distance. On the hike on the way up there was fresh untouched snow along the sides of the trail in certain places, (my sister and I actually ate some) but the trail itself wasn't affected by snow. I can't remember what time of year we went but it was basically warm and sunny, and knowing my father, he would have chosen a time of year that was favorable to the climb. There were quite a few tents at Mirror Lake so there were other hikers in various stages of the climb as well. I would say if a person is in good health and they are fairly young the climb is not impossible to achieve.
Strength to weight ratio. You must be very strong and lithe
@@CristinaAcosta I was rather lithe but I wouldn't say strong:-)
I have been in a texting relationship for some time now with the Abominable Snowman and you are now telling me his fingers are too big to type? I have been hoaxed ? Am devastated. Idiots shouldnt climb mountains.
Very interesting analysis, especially your final comments on narcissism. I'm guessing there's more empathy amongst the rescue crews. They must still be brave and confident to go into those conditions to retrieve people in danger, but a full rescue team of narcissists and sociopaths? "Not my problem!" _sips hot chocolate from the comfort of base camp_
There's a list of job that attract narcissist an sociopaths, that don't become killers. Surgeon is one of them,you don't have to care about people to save them, it the attention they get for being a "savior" is what they get off on.
@@vawest2052 This explains why religious clergy are on the top 10 list of careers that attract narcs, along with surgeons Etc.
@@vawest2052 my career was in the healthcare field. Definitely narcissistic personality attraction to some of the roles in that profession. Scary culture.
@@llkellenba I second that for sure. As a lay person I've had two different health professionals go off on me. Once I was describing to A Dr. friend someone who had a woo woo alternative and I was indicating that there needs to be balance between personal assessments and when to garner advise from a professional using common sense. This woman went off on me even tho I was on her side. Sometimes I think they are accustomed to being head honcho and you're not allowed an opinion. I also think they are so invested with time and money into their careers that they are blinded. With a nurse practitioner friend I described some really poor health care I had received.... an outright mis-diagnoses that would have been devastating for me had I not been pro active about lab results. It was truly cuckoo leading up to this as well. I understand time constraints they are under. This friend was just practically frothing bc I couldn't possibly be correct even tho a second opinion clearly confirmed my suspicions. I can see this is a career where ego, expertise and intimate authority in people lives can attract some bizarre narcisistic bedside manner. That said I have rarely sought out medical attention even tho i most definitely appreciate its necessity. The few times I've needed medical assistance it's has been a mixed bag of really good and really questionable.
Dr. Grande, please consider covering the bizarre disappearance of 9 year old Asha Degree. It's such a creepy, haunting case. I'd love to hear your analysis on why a happy 9 year old would run away in the middle of the night during a freezing cold rainstorm.
Interesting. I second that.
I've asked him several times but so far no response. Fingers crossed he sees your post and covers her disappearance.
@@BunnySlippers82 I learned about Asha years and years ago and to this day it's one of the most unsettling disappearances I've ever heard.
@@rosenbaum75 I completely agree. It's deeply upsetting and the more you find out about it, the more questions you have.
This one never stops bothering me. The Mitrice Richardson really bugs me too, just so many unanswered questions.
Jason was the Karen of Mt.Denali. 🤣
lol good one
naw he's just the typical w boy 🤡😂😆
@user-pg1cm6br7q whatever myths you've created in your mind are irrelevant lol.
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr That applies to everyone. 🤣
The comment about narcissists being unable to manipulate the mountain was excellent. That is what I wonder on almost daily bases - how is it that some people always succeed without having to face reality? In my line of work reality is often literally a matter of life and death of other human beings, yet many are able to always circumvent the costs of not facing it. I guess they use other people as shields and weapons to protect themselves. This would only end when most of us stand as a rock. Unfortunately, that almost never happens…
Such a good point that you can feel free to risk your own life, but don’t think you have the right to risk someone else’s who has to come save you from yourself.
Grande's consistency ensures nobody can accuse bruh of fallin off.
He doesn't even need a satellite messenger device cuz he'd never fall a thousand feet
It is brilliant how you talked about narcissism as a safety issue. I’ve always believed that takes a narcissist to think that they have to climb a mountain not that everyone is a narcissist, but I think a high percentage are.
I love learning from your different videos. Stories I have never heard. Wonderful depth and learning about the mountain. Blessings ❤
When I was young, I lived in Colorado Springs. I was born and raised in Detroit, I knew nothing of the mountains, or climbing. My friend talked me into climbing Kissing Camels Rock. No problem going up, big problem with gravity coming down. At that time the national guard came out and got you. And even then, which was the '70s, it was $250 to pluck your happy ass up. They didn't use the helicopter, one of the guys helped me down. Embarrassing part was, I was also in the national guard, so while I didn't have to pay the $250, I paid by getting razzed by everyone in my company the rest of my time in Colorado. Point being, I didn't do it cuz I was some entitled brat. I didn't know any better.
On a day visit to Garden of the God's Park I saw a person above a climbing partner holding the rope.
Later I saw a guy headed to the first aid station with his skin damaged, the climber aparently had slid , 30 feet, from his position across the face of the vertical sandstone.
Altitude and extreme conditions will expose all your strong and weak points whether you want to or not. Be prepared to discover who you really are and what you are made of.
Really great analysis, Dr. Grande. Loved what you said about the mountain being very dangerous for narcissists. So spot on!
Thank you Todd, for talking about this issue, these cracy narcissists do not care about anything, they do not care about the rescuers and the families left behind
Terrific metaphors used in describing the natural, majestic attitude of a mountain and how that contrasts with narcissism characteristics. A shinning moment for you.
14:39 I love how a mountain can accurately be described with human characteristics, because it’s very accurate. A mountain is a powerful, beautiful, amazing, and absolutely terrifying thing.
You’re subtle humor is a riot. Along with your manner of tone and facial expressions is like the perfect level of nerd comedian. I love your vids and keep it up!
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your Videos. I have this thought in my head that if something happens to me, your depiction of me would not be really good. I have made some bigger mistakes in my life so far and i didn't really do anything cool or impressive or just what I want to do yet. So I kind of use your videos as motivation or reminder to trying to overcome my problems and improve my behaviour and decisions and do good stuff :) But yes that's just a thought I wanted to get out. I hope when my life is over people will remember me in a good way eventhough I made mistakes.
So yes thank you for your Videos, i really enjoy your scientific analysis style. It's not as dramatic as other true crime channels do it and it makes learning about all these tragedies easier.
love your humour, thanks for this story. Cheers Rosemary Perth Western Australia (71 yrs)
Very interesting ending: why narcissistic people succeed with emphatic people, but not with rocks. Be like a rock I take away from this :-)
I love your back handed humor! Keep iot up. You are also very insightful. A good teacher to!
I mostly agree with your assessment but would give Grant Wilson and Sarah Maynard credit for good decision making and reasonable actions. Climbing carries risk, some of which cannot be completely prepared for, especially variable weather and avalanche, icefall and rockfall. Non-climbers often fail to recognize this and judge climbers too harshly as a consequence. I have enough mountaineering experience to understand the dynamics involved.
Why erase the data?
@@TheRealBatCave because the "data eraser" propably pushed his buddy off the Autobahn. Nothing slows ya down and keeps you from the summit like a fellow hiker with diarrhea. Because in the end, mountaineering is not a team sport.
@KJ6EAD I've been climbing and mountaineering a long time too. I really wanted to feel as you do, but when you really take a deep honest look here, you just can't give them credit for that. They are good people, no doubt, but they did not really use good decision making and make reasonable choices. First, they never should have teamed up with this guy. They did not show competent vetting skills to recognize he wasn't a good choice. Then when they started to feel uncomfortable with him, they still didn't do the responsible thing and cut their losses and decend. On top of that, Adam was already ill long before his unfortunate accident, yet they all continued on. As for when they finally did decide to decend, it's not clear whether or not they had the correct equipment (rope), but we know it wasn't used. So they either didn't even have it at all, which would be a hugely unprepared thing, or they outright chose not to use it, which is also a bad decision. They obviously kept wanting to do the right thing but repeatedly demonstrated in several different instances that they did not actually have the experience, maturity, and confidence to do it. I think they realized they wouldn't make it, just the two of them, and thought their chances would be better if they teamed up with others. But it really started falling apart from there. They should have listened to their gut intuition, decended, regrouped, planned more and possibly gone again with a couple more climbers they knew and trusted. But instead they got caught up in the moment and allowed themselves to be lead into a very dangerous situation by this guy. I know they must have been terrified throughout this ordeal when they kept getting further and further in over their head. Maybe that's why they didn't take the time to rope up on the decent because at that point they finally mustered the courage to get off the mountain and away from Jason and probably in the midst of their trauma, the effects of the mountain and getting weaker just wanted to get down as fast as possible for this nightmare to end. I feel for them; I think they definitely learned their lesson, and I would even partner with them, but I can't honestly tell myself that they made good decisions here unfortunately.
14:50 the mental imagery analogizing the mountain is well put, and a nice touch. Thanks
After getting out of a relationship with a text book abusive narcissist ...
I have become a ⛰.
Love you, Dr G! 💜
It's the most dangerous time. I hope you got a protective order (if you think it might help) and erase him. Move of you can. Change you number, get another job if you suspect he might come kill you.
Not worth it. They'll show up MONTHS if not years after you dump them!
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 He's dead...
(I didn't do it). 😉
I’m dying. 😂 “maybe it was the abominal snowman but that’s ridiculous his fingers are too big for those small keys”. The fact that he delivers this line in the same quiet, even tone made it so much funnier. Laughing so hard I can’t breathe. Good one
I wasn't familiar with this case but found it quite interesting. As always, you bring great clarity to a messy and confusing situation. I love your channel! Thanks again Dr. Grande!!
Tks Dr! Sometimes I laugh so hard at your quips, that I miss the subsequent sentences which are important details of the case. I have to go back! Complaint Department 😂
Making that call for rescue is dangerous. Its a problem at altitude already, but really personally I know plenty of people that have done this. Theres no shame, even if you do everything right you can get hurt or killed. But you pay for that chopper. Its not like the military, wed take rescues there seriously. But never having to foot the bill. Helo extraction on the civilian side starts at 5 digits. Your fault or not. So better make sure it justified.
Isn't that their job? Don't tax payers already pay their salaries and for the equipment, choppers, etc.? What else are they doing when not rescuing? Isn't that what they train for?
@@rickyretardo6367 many are volunteers.
I enjoy how you find a way to bring in your sense of humor.
I live in Hawaii and it happens all the time here. People are too lazy to climb back out or will miss their ✈️ home. So they call 911 for help faking an injury. Of course, medics are refused and their limp leg is miraculously healed once they leave the heli.
Huge waste of resources that ties up our first responders.
My heart started racing when I pictured the helicopter hovering on skids to rescue the climber...human beings are fearless at times. Thanks Doc. Love you 🐈🐾❤️
What looks bad is erasing data or attempting to. Yes trauma can effect judgement but I think the deeper part is that he got rid of data. Thank you 🤔❤🇺🇸
I think he was trying to erase his shame.
@@micheleparker3780 Could be.🤔❤🇺🇸
Affect, not effect.
You're the best mental health content creator on UA-cam. Love your videos. Keep it up Dr. G
I’d never heard of this case before. Thankyou for sharing it.
Superb explanation of situation! and amusing:) Thank you Dr. Grande
Hi. I identify as a long distance hiker. They were experienced and level-headed enough to know to turn back. Elevation and how it effects the body can be fickle. Even the most experienced make miscalculations especially bogged down by effects of altitude. Weather and timing/pace, snow conditions, etc influences decision making. I could imagine this scenario where the climbers needed to hunker down emotionally and physically to make it to their destination after being drained by the rescue event and having spent much more time than anticipated in the elements... that possibly could have been misread as symptomatic of hypothermia. That said, the person in question did have a history of false alarms and/ or overreacting and, yes, he should be reprimanded, banned from Denali, and charged for putting SAR needlessly at risk. However, nomatter whose personal locator beacon PLB or spot devise, if he has permission to use it, he should be allowed to continue with it until he's off the mountain and turn it over at that time. There could be a liability risk for someone crying wolf then getting into real trouble. I presently carry insurance for 500k for SAR and a Garmin mini with an SOS button... but I don't take those kinds of risks either.
Perfect
It all holds up perfectly fine until he deleted those messages from the device. At that point he was clearly in illegal territory. Whether or not he had permission from the owner to use the device was never divulged so he may have been holding onto something that he had no right to hold onto. In any case he had been given a lawful order to hand it over and he failed to do so that is breaking the law plain and simple. Deleting messages from the device just further shows his questionable motives in holding onto the device.
@@pjschmid2251 yes the story becomes muddled with emotion so its hard to know what was up with that guy. Surely he was covering his behind....SAR is notoriously expensive, like a nestegg so he was probably freaking out about that too. Come to think of it, its probably enough that he's hiking the rest of the way with someone else who has a PLB of some sort. I have hiked with a small group and a shared device.
@@pjschmid2251 somehow this came up again.... just one last point. One ultimately can't really delete anything. These devices are run on a subscription and relay to a HQ that then transmits info to local SAR. There is a log of activity ... even tho it's suspicious that he tried.
@@janefreeman995 that’s probably why he got caught but the point is that he tried which is what makes him look guilty.
Loved your closing argument!! Love the message to narcissistics !!
Love your videos and dry humor,
Dr. Grande. You are very wise. ☺