I've met men like Lance: believes he's much better & more able than he actually is. Gets into trouble (often caused by that overconfidence); panics & starts bleating for help, then denies he was that scared, blames it on others etc. These people can be a real liability.
Just as I about started to type a comment saying that sounds like my someone I know who you were describing, I realized that you have his exact same name. Not many Gavins out there..😄 threw me for a second.
One of the good doctor's best! Ego meets rock. As an ex climber, I love it. Probably why I'm alive today. Respect the mountain, the abilities and the weather. Even though my partners a and I were well prepared, we had turned around maybe 20 percent of the time due to situations we were not willing to insure. I.e. extreme weather, avalanche conditions etc. Recognizing when to turn around is a strong survival skill. I guess we learned it from too many rescues in mountain search and rescue.
I know someone who would have made it to the top except she gave up her “summit day” to look after two climbers she didn’t know who were in physical danger, nursing them in their snow cave. Now that’s a hero. And that’s a successful climb.
Spending a day helping 2 people survive is much more impressive than getting to the very top of a mountain you’ve already climbed up most of the way. That is a very successful climb
Just to play devil's advocate, she was likely ready to give up, anyways, so when the opportunity arose to throw in the towel whilst saving face, looking like a hero and having a story to tell that makes her look compassionate and selfless, she took it.
She had more grit in physical, mental and emotional accomplishments than anyone I’ve ever met. Stories not for here. Denali incident entirely in keeping with what I know of her.
I remember the video from a decade ago where a rescue helicopter had trouble with mountain wind, causing the blades to hit the ground. It crashed and rolled down the slope quite a ways. That made another group of people who needed to be rescued.
In fact it’s almost maxing out turbine-engine helicopters. Hell I was inserted/extracted by helicopter into remote forests of northern Idaho working for the USFS where most mountain peaks are 8,500 ft or less and many times the flights were canceled due to less than ideal conditions. 25 mph wind gusts were enough to say not today. And most pilots were hardened Vietnam War vets back then. Folks have no idea how finicky helicopters are. I’m always amazed that the US President ever gets into one - much less fairly often on trips to Camp David.
There's been an unfortunate trend in inexperienced hikers using emergency rescue like a taxi service to get out of difficult (sometimes potentially dangerous but not life threatening) descents. NH had to start charging people for abusing the system in the Presidential Range. Some people would call, simply because they didn't want to climb back down in bad weather. It's extremely expensive to fly out, as well as dangerous. And every selfish call takes the rescue team away from being able to help someone else who is in actual danger for their life.
Some climbers see Denali/McKinley as an "easy" mountain. They see it as much lower than mountains in the Himalayas and even lower than the highest mountain in South America, Mt. Aconcagua, which can be hiked on its most accessible route. Climbers from South Korea have become notorious for being ill-prepared and expecting automatic rescue. I remember watching a documentary where substantial expenditures in years, money, and effort by a Spanish team were derailed by having to rescue a South Korean climber who was woefully unprepared in training and equipment. People forget that the barometric pressure is lower than the equivalent altitude elsewhere because of its northern location. Also, somehow, they forget that Denali is in freaking Alaska! The highest mountain that close to the polar regions and the weather can be brutal.
@@jmchez -- CORRECT. | But, in the Hollywood Version of the U.S. in A.D. 2022, everybody can be everything and anything by cosplaying, and then calling the government for rescue from amateur mistakes; the mysteries of eternal adolescence.
This whole video was incredible, Dr. Grande! Wow! I remember watching a documentary years ago about rescue teams, and how they spoke about how overly confident 'thrill seekers' not only put their own lives at incredible risk, but the people who have to gravely endanger their own lives to save them, and these aren't people who need to be rescued from a hurricane or some other tragedy, these are people who not only have reckless regard for their own life, but also the people who have to rescue them when they're hit with the reality of their own self importance being deeply humbled. I loved when you said "I think the mountain is particularly dangerous for people with narcissistic traits, because it cannot be manipulated. The mountain does not have empathy. It is immune to deception, and it has no mercy." So brilliantly said! ♡♡
The description of the Denali climb reminded me of my walking to school in the Minnesota winters. It was the 1970s, we were bundled up like the Randy from Christmas Story pushed out of our warm houses to walk a mile through snow drifts over our heads and the bitter cold. No I never had the urge to climb a mountain. I achieved my goal, graduated from Elementary and went onto to Junior High on a bus!!! 🚌🚌🚌
And if you wore a hat or toque on very cold days, in the high school years, you were called a wimp. Even Mt Everest with the wind doesn't get as cold as that cold North American plains weather.
😁😁😁😁 I lived in Indiana until actually on my birthday we moved to Ohio but in Indiana we had to walk to school in my town Connersville Indiana and yep you bundled up scarves hats gloves boots big coats and sometimes we even walked home for lunch we had a hour and a half when I was in junior high school there 7th grade and sometimes we walked home for lunch just depends on what was going on in finances I guess but my boys won't even listen to my story they make fun because I tell them how far I had to walk and it was probably a mile maybe more I don't remember cuz I spend many years ago but snow can be three feet tall yeah that's not any fun 😁
the airplane Beechcraft Bonanza is known as "The doctor killer." Be very wary of general aviation pilots. Huge ego's and many are only trained for VFR flight. They then get caught in IMC (clouds,fog,rain,snow) conditions, become spatially disoriented and crash into the ground/sea. It's what killed JFK Jr.
Am i the only one who listens to Dr Grande before bed as a soothing voice of reason in the midst of a chaotic world? Sweet dreams fellow curious humans who love dry humor and crime analysis…
I particularly liked your concluding thoughts about people with narcissistic traits being accustomed to get their way with people but being bested by a mountain which is impervious to manipulation or deception.
I've climbed Denali, and many other big peaks. I've seen this sort of thing increasingly this last decade or so, on mountains, while running the Grand Canyon, or at my home in the Tetons. People rely on their satellite devices and phones as a crutch. They not only expect, but DEMAND immediate assistance. If you're going to do this stuff you MUST go with the mindset that you are on your own, or stay home. Not too long ago that was the attraction of such activities. Personally, I would do anything to avoid a ride in a helicopter off the West Buttress. I felt far safer up there relying on my ice axe and crampons.
I grew up in a family of climbers and recently have started conquering a few peaks.. but where I noticed this spoiled "I'll just send for help" attitude the most is on the PCT (Pacific Crest trail for those who haven't decided to hike from Mexico to Canada). I did so, I prepared for months, my walls recovered in maps and even though I solo I was linked in distance and emergency phone ispf necessary with a group of guys hiking up from LA. I am female and rather short so I knew it was going to take me a very long time (5 months) but I would not have done so had I not been through hiking my entire life and in not been preparing for months beforehand both in health and research. Nowadays the PCT is a must for all social media influencers. They photographed their passes when they get them in the mail and they get a tattoo if they finish.. but in between it is an atrocious overpopulated Highway full of ill-informed beginner hikers. I don't know how many times I had to tell people if they rushed it and they twist their ankle and they're in a case where they can't get out of somewhere they're going to have to hike hike out on their own... possibly not true, obviously if a hiker is disabled with a leg injury rescue service would try to get to them. But I would say so because I was sick and tired I've seen people with this attitude of "well, I'm just going to push myself and if I injure myself emergency services will come scoop me up in a helicopter. A) not always the case and B) not necessary if you're prepared.
From what I've read , especially high altitude climbers when you go you know you're on your own . I just read the story of Reinhold messner and his brother on nanga parbat. Even after losing his brother high on the mountain Reinhold made his way down the mountain with severe frostbite and lost 7 toes. 6 days later he made into a local village and got help.
I about peed my pants on the "It's funny how people look up the last leg to the summit and all of a sudden remember they left something plugged at the house." Hilariously true!
You say "the mountain has no empathy". Are there are any caring, empathetic mountains out there, or are _all_ mountains cold, uncaring sociopaths like ^Denali? 😁
Jason choked, got scared, made up a story, and tried to erase the evidence of this. He had no business on that climb and should have been banned for life.
I've seen Denali many times, from the air, the train, the highway and the park bus, but I will never forget that first time, from the train on the way from Anchorage to Fairbanks. No combination of adjectives is sufficient to describe the sheer size and magnificence. Even on a clear day it reveals itself in successive stages of increasing height, each one more brilliant and vast than the last, and you think each must be the final summit, then another higher ridge reveals itself. That was more than 40 years ago but the memory is bright as it was that first time. To this real backwoodsman, no cheechako, it is the height of hubris to climb it, and by the description provided, these folks had no buisness there at all.
I think the other couple was perfectly capable of climbing Denali. Even the man who fell was very experienced - he simply got altitude sickness, which can happen to anyone climbing those heights. It was Jason Lance who was the unfortunate weak link, although the other couple probably should’ve insisted that Rawski turn when he first started exhibiting the signs of altitude sickness. Still - he was not their partner. I have no doubt what would’ve happened: Jason Lance would’ve refused to turn back, and left Adam Rawski with Wilson and Maynard.
I am a (mostly retired) mountain climber and couldn't agree more about the false summit's, they can be brutal if you aren't really good with a topo map and study where you are going first. I have seen many people be overcome by them, pushing with their last strength to reach goals that are not there and having to suddenly change plans. It is a mental focus of razor sharpness many challenging hikes/climbs require, I call it getting into the "zone", an almost Zen like trance with one step at a time. I am not sure if I have conveyed what I am trying to say but I am sure many might sort of understand what I am mean. Seeing Denali the way you described it is perfect though, lovely description!❤✌🏻
@@canterburytail2294 Please excuse in advance the following essay, but I think we may have taken similar paths, and having had a great deal of time to think about these things I'm in the mood to expound to a fellow traveller. I've climbed a few, and hiked a bit too and in many different places, but my real deal, till my knees wore out, was solo unsupported long distance road cycling (and daily commuting to stay in shape). All such endurance 'sports' are in fact, at their core, exercises in mind over matter, or more accurately, will over mind over body. First the body says it's too tired to go on and the mind overrules the body for a time. To do so the brain begins to shut down some ordinarily active regions to free up glucose for the hungry, tired muscles. This results in a literally altered state of conciousness that the practicioner comes to know and love. Lets call it Level 2, or second wind. When some suite of neurotransmitters, hormones, nutrients, electrolytes and what have you are even further depleted, over or under saturated, oxidized etc. through further intense exertion we arrive at Level 3. This is where the will to go on can overrule the rational mind and either the rubber or your face meets the road/gravel/ice/reef depending on how adept you are. This is also where, if properly managed and prepared for we endurofolk find the first signs of the "almost Zenlike" state you speak of. But I strongly disagree with your "almost" because in my experience when persued to Level 4 as described below, it is indistinguishable from what has been called by many names; satori, transcendance, Zen, Tao, etc. The main differences between our physical practice and the spiritual path is that the penalties for failure while sitting in meditation, such as passing out into your tea cup are all out of proportion to fatally veering into traffic or falling off a mountain due to a momentary misjudgement or lapse of attention in our cases. Endurofolk, by necessity, must remain intimately connected to the real world moment to moment so as to not die or mangle their actual real physical bodies while spirtual practitioners minds are free to wander in realms where ordinary physics do not apply, not to put too fine of a point on it. The escalating shut down of faculties like the capacity for coherent speech, stable posture etc, will provide ample warning to the initiate that your judgement and balance will fail next and it's past time to take a break and not make any further critical decisions except to retreat or call for help in necessity. That's Level 3 pro style. But I tell you what my friend, and I'm pretty sure you know this, when done right and safely savored in your resting gear of choice at end of day, refueled, profoundly relaxed and properly, ah, remediated, we reach Level 4. I cannot imagine a finer state of being, elevated in mind and body, simultaneously present and absent, knowing that you have approached and thereby honored the exertions of our ancient ancestors' mighty, initially naked prowess on the long, fraught journey from Olduvai to here and now. As a percentage of the total 'first world' population, very few people ever in their lives achieve that Level 3&4 thing that dogged everone's heels, honed their bodies and senses, inspired our souls and sharpened up the gene pool for the vast majority of the last 250k, or 3.5 billion years, depending on your choice of zero. Most now spend their entire adult lives entirely in service to a giant soul sucking machine exactly because it enables them to completely avoid coming close enough to Level 2 to know it even exists except perhaps when fighting the crowds for a new I phone or dwindling supply of toilet paper. Meanwhile the requirements and risks of going further are, to coin a phrase "Incontheivable!". More apropos of the OP here, and to summarize; add together altitude, exhaustion, fear, bad attitude, bad weather, selfie culture, overconfidence and inexperience with Level 3 altered conciousness and the outcome is entirely and predictably unfortunate for all concerned. If you mean to climb Denali, of all places, you had better go for the right reasons and with all your faculties, both physical and moral, well accounted for. Mountains are alive too, like Wizards, so we are told, they are subtle and often quick to anger.
Jason is the kind of climber that almost got me killed on Mt Rainier a few years back. From that point I stopped climbing with people either I or my climbing friends dont know.
I've binged nearly all of your videos within a couple weeks. Thank you for uploading so often, these are some of the most entertaining analysis videos I've come across.
Yes, l love your videos too, Dr Grande. In fact l prefer the more recent ones where your comedy is the main feature...Looking back at earlier ones, you tended to be more psychoanalytical and used your term 'OCEAN' a lot. Personally l like your poker face humour bits much better. Thank you for making my day every day in my holidays!!
We have cases of that kind all the time in Austria. Even a 20 meter hill can kill you, if you just fall from it “the right way”. And I think our time, where everybody, be it advertisement or social media, vies for your attention, amplifies narcissistic tendencies. The mountains however do not care how many followers on Instagram they have, they _are._ And a certain kind of people just doesn't get it. And then they are surprised to no end when the Alpine rescue services charge them for the cost of the rescue. It is bad, really bad.
I was asked to be a wilderness first responder at Denali. It is solely run by the US Army and used as a training post whilst they also bring in outside contractors (like I would have been since I have never served) It's one of only less than a handful of mountains in the US this service is provided solely by the military and its contractors alone. This makes what he did even more egregious even though it should be equally as bad with civilian only reacue ops. Taking resources or putting them in harm's way is a gross mistep and being that I also work in the medical field I'm actually shocked he was allowed to keep his medical license after something like this. It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal but it most certainly was.
Both professions require a somewhat oversized personal confidence level. Perhaps that served neither one of them well with Denali's might. It's always a good idea to remain humble where Mother Nature is boss.
These people, and many others like those who attempt Mt. Everest, might have money and access to the sport, but they are either Darwin Award recipients or as in this case highly qualified candidates. I have no sympathy for them.
@@mikelobrien you don't 'buy into' alpine climbing like in art or race car driving. The climbing community is very humble and get theirs ego checked all the time. Fakers don't make it very long (or high) in that sport.
Good analysis Doc. As a lover of mountain hiking most of my life, I've often said that hiking is a perfect analog for life. Mt climbing is that on steroids. It exposes people for what they are, both the good and the bad. The mountain is uncaring, impartial and without pity. It's the perfect place for men and women to learn the truth about themselves.
They’ll only learn the truth if they’re open to self criticism. It sounds like Jason (and possibly others) just dug in his Egoic heals even more, after being exposed. Self realization is a huge pill to swallow; most people just choke on it.
@@canileaveitblank1476 A person can realize something about themselves without making a public admission about it. Can't say that happened in this case but I suspect it did.
Yeah, I went on a hike a few months ago with some friends. It is normally a 2.5 to 3 hour hike up fairly steep track to get to an elevation where snow and ice is forming on the mountain and then a 3 hour descent. It took me 5+ hours to reach the lookout and I was physically spent and absolutely exhausted. I knew I was unfit but didn't realise exactly how unfit I was.
@@TheTruthKiwi Fortunately your misjudgment didn't cost you your life. I had several experiences in the mountains when I was young and foolish that should've ended me but didn't. I suppose that same fearless foolishness enabled me to survive. Yep, I think it did.
Brilliant analysis, as usual! Living in a state where outdoor activities such as hiking and climbing are abundant, the news of unprepared, underequipped, and reckless participants is heard often! The cost of the rescues, and the danger faced by the rescuers, is very high. I had never considered the narcissistic angle before in these cases, and think you are spot on. Ego, entitlement, magical thinking- all exacerbate the potential problems. Of course, sometimes even the best prepared folks have accidents or sudden health crises. And the rescuers are truly heroes!! Thank you for another enlightening and entertaining case!! ❤
At least no one died in this case. Im pretty sure Dr. Grande covered the case with the couple, their baby and their dog, who went out for a hike unprepared and they all died.
As I think about it, it applies to all types of situations. The drunk driver or distracted driver who hits someone or the driver who chooses not to put on a seatbelt and ends up projecting through the windshield. The morbidly obese person who requires 4 people to lift / turn them in the hospital bed. The list goes on. We really lack personal accountability and community - we are all connected but we act like we're not. Thank goodness there are first responders who want to help us despite our selfish ways!
@@jenm6977 Yes my RN ER busband is crippled for life from pushing a gurney with a very obese man late at night...it completely wrecked his ankle amnd he did not have medical coverage because he was an independent contract worker. He has been on a cane with an almost constant limp ever since. Like many men he jist bear it ...he isnt a complainer.We moved out of the USA soon after and he cannot even use Medicare but we do have a happier and better quañity of lofe here.
@@latinaalma1947I’ve heard of that being an issue before from someone. It must be somewhat common. Hopefully your husband can recover as much as possible.
“His intestines were making frequent visits to the complaint department” surprised me into an lol (during fairly serious work on health demographics :) Thank you for your levity and another great video.
Beautifully said, Doc. I especially loved the bit about suddenly remembering leaving something on the stove, or having left the iron on - code for "I just realized I'd like to keep living". 😂😂🤣🤣
I've climbed with someone like that. Maddening. He'd suddenly realise he brought the wrong shoes. Mountaineering does reveal the true character of a person.
I've been around a while and have seen some people in your line of work talk bad about what you do here. There may be some information I am not privy to but you should be able to use your free time and education any way you see fit. This channel is a good addition to the true crime family and often, if not always, you have some useful insight to help people understand what may be going on in these situations. You are entertaining people and giving a perspective from a professional angle that a lot of people appreciate. You are never malicious and even your tame dry jokes are never out of bounds. You don't hurt anyone and may have even helped a few along the way. Keep up the good work and don't listen to the gatekeepers that think this type of thing is below their station or you are giving info that they think should not be freely handed out. I can't afford to donate so I figured at least this comment may carry some value. Cheers!
Love the variety of your work. You give such a wide selection of human behaviour. I learn something new with each case. Keep up the good work. Take care.
Really like your sense of humour…very difficult with the subject matter! Your jokes and puns are funny,gentle never cruel.I’m from the UK home of Ricky Gervais.Thanks for your vids.
His jokes are subtle enough that they can be brushed off as bad phrasing or witty commentary, but funny enough to lighten up a serious subject. Dr. Grande is also a comedian, not just a psychiatrist.
Thought the same. He nailed it. Alot of the time, experienced mountaineers, extreme skiers etc are unassuming, calculated and don't do it for bragging rights but like the internal challenge. Usually very low key.
Dr. Grande, thank you for the analysis, it’s as usual packed with plenty humor… “when the narcissists try to manipulate the mountain, they run into a rock” 😂😭😭
3:42 I always remember that you are actually a comedian in therapist clothing. I don't know how you maintain such an even deadpan tone with such good jokes; but Leslie Nielson would be proud.
I really like your take in the end on narcissism vs the mountain. As Richard Feynman said "You can’t fool nature" but I never though about it from that specific perspective.
People get into trouble all the time in NH Mt. Washington. A mountaineer quoted in boston globe after a recent climber death caught in bad weather said he was still alive in his hobby because he knew when to turn back. I never forgot that advice.
Used to live in Boston and would hike in the area. It would infuriate me when I would hear stories of experienced people taking their inexperienced friends up there and then getting them killed. Charges of manslaughter would be appropriate.
I think you did a great job of pointing out all the possible reasons this unfortunate incident happened, Dr. Grande. Big egos and lack of respect for nature are always a bad mix. I've spent a little time hiking the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and too many people get injured as a result of their own stupidity and lack of preparedness.
The ease with with some people confuse "determination to do whatever you want at any cost" with some sort of positive character trait is frightening. As though all you have to do is "not be scared to believe X" and somehow X will become true?
Yea that was "cute" on the Dox part, but you don't know what communications Ahole with the radio deleted or what else he did to sabotage the climb. Would you, if you had the chance, climb with Mr. Knowit All Text Delete-or?
The talk at the very end of the video about the mountain being too much for a narcissist was excellent. One of the best descriptions I have ever heard of how narcissists take to survive.
My daughter worked on a fishing boat in Anchorage for seven years. It’s dangerous! (But pays really well) Thank you for this educational vid, Dr Grande!
The Acute Mountain Sickness that Adam was experiencing - any experienced climber will tell you - when that is happening - It Is Time To Descend. Any and all climbing should only be done at the pace of the slowest climber. But if that climber is ill - all should descend - if going as a group. The ego of the climber who attempted the summit alone is common in mountain climbing - and usually creates deadly results. No ropes descending The Audubon area was another huge error. Judgment on the mountain changes with lack of oxygen. So, decision making is skewed. There is significant expense in requesting a helicopter rescue in these circumstances. Deleting the messages may have been a way to avoid the responsibility of payment for the rescue. It is an incorrect assumption that each person is responsible for themselves when climbing a mountain. Although this "team' was a bit thrown together - each is responsible for all. Your final thought about the mountain is amazingly correct. The mountain itself decides who will summit and who will not. Especially a Sacred Summit - Like Denali.
I have been in a texting relationship for some time now with the Abominable Snowman and you are now telling me his fingers are too big to type? I have been hoaxed ? Am devastated. Idiots shouldnt climb mountains.
My biggest fear is that I'll climb a mountain (Denali, Everest, whatevs) and remember my plugged-in coffee maker right as I'm nearing the summit. That's why I don't climb mountains.
Terrific metaphors used in describing the natural, majestic attitude of a mountain and how that contrasts with narcissism characteristics. A shinning moment for you.
i admire their humility. every encounter is it's own context, and just because he could climb everest on that day doesn't mean he could climb mckinley in this one. you have to be able to analyze your abilities and the conditions honestly, every time.
Hey Dr. G, thanks for the video-an early birthday present for me! 🥳 My nephew’s middle name is McKinley after this mountain. Great point about mountains and nature being immovable-an important reminder for all, especially narcissistic outdoorsmen! 😀👍
Thank you Todd, for talking about this issue, these cracy narcissists do not care about anything, they do not care about the rescuers and the families left behind
Good afternoon Dr Grande , it's the 1st August in Australia , so it's my birthday today, but I would like to turn it around and say thank you for your uploads , they never fail too make make many day. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
At first, I thought this was going to be a case of attempted murder. I thought someone was pushed and survived. I'm glad I was wrong. I don't understand Jason's actions at all. As a teenager my parents decided to climb Mt. Whitney as a family. I think it's over 14,000 feet. We didn't use ropes we hiked the trail. Halfway up hikers pitch tents and spend the night at Mirror Lake. Where cute Golden Marmots can be seen peaking their heads out of holes. At some point on the trail we ran into three brawny looking women. They were the strongest looking women I'd ever seen. Not only were they super tall but they were large boned with calves the size of basketballs and they were wearing heavy duty hiking boots. When they saw me and my sister they scoffed at us. We were model thin and were wearing light weight sneakers that weren't even suitable for the hike. They looked at us with scorn and laughter and said, "You'll never make it. This is our third attempt and we didn't make it, again. You don't have a chance." They laughed at us and headed back down off the mountain. We continued the hike in spite of their prediction of doom and we ended up making it clear to the top of the mountain. There's an empty cabin at the very top and the view is spectacular. Then we hiked back down to Mirror Lake and spent the night again before hiking back down the next morning. It wasn't an easy hike but we made it and my theory is this >>> Because we were light weight and our shoes were too, I feel it made it easier for us to make it to the top. If we had been wearing mega boots like them, we might have been too weighted down to make it too. lol
@@Gullsz Actually, there was a lot of wild thunder and lightning at the very top by the cabin, but I don't remember any rain, if there was rain it was light, and for some reason I can't remember how close or far off in the distance the lightning was. I just remember seeing lightning against pinkish-purple mountains off in the distance. On the hike on the way up there was fresh untouched snow along the sides of the trail in certain places, (my sister and I actually ate some) but the trail itself wasn't affected by snow. I can't remember what time of year we went but it was basically warm and sunny, and knowing my father, he would have chosen a time of year that was favorable to the climb. There were quite a few tents at Mirror Lake so there were other hikers in various stages of the climb as well. I would say if a person is in good health and they are fairly young the climb is not impossible to achieve.
Very interesting analysis, especially your final comments on narcissism. I'm guessing there's more empathy amongst the rescue crews. They must still be brave and confident to go into those conditions to retrieve people in danger, but a full rescue team of narcissists and sociopaths? "Not my problem!" _sips hot chocolate from the comfort of base camp_
There's a list of job that attract narcissist an sociopaths, that don't become killers. Surgeon is one of them,you don't have to care about people to save them, it the attention they get for being a "savior" is what they get off on.
@@vawest2052 my career was in the healthcare field. Definitely narcissistic personality attraction to some of the roles in that profession. Scary culture.
@@llkellenba I second that for sure. As a lay person I've had two different health professionals go off on me. Once I was describing to A Dr. friend someone who had a woo woo alternative and I was indicating that there needs to be balance between personal assessments and when to garner advise from a professional using common sense. This woman went off on me even tho I was on her side. Sometimes I think they are accustomed to being head honcho and you're not allowed an opinion. I also think they are so invested with time and money into their careers that they are blinded. With a nurse practitioner friend I described some really poor health care I had received.... an outright mis-diagnoses that would have been devastating for me had I not been pro active about lab results. It was truly cuckoo leading up to this as well. I understand time constraints they are under. This friend was just practically frothing bc I couldn't possibly be correct even tho a second opinion clearly confirmed my suspicions. I can see this is a career where ego, expertise and intimate authority in people lives can attract some bizarre narcisistic bedside manner. That said I have rarely sought out medical attention even tho i most definitely appreciate its necessity. The few times I've needed medical assistance it's has been a mixed bag of really good and really questionable.
You’re subtle humor is a riot. Along with your manner of tone and facial expressions is like the perfect level of nerd comedian. I love your vids and keep it up!
Dr. Grande, please consider covering the bizarre disappearance of 9 year old Asha Degree. It's such a creepy, haunting case. I'd love to hear your analysis on why a happy 9 year old would run away in the middle of the night during a freezing cold rainstorm.
It is brilliant how you talked about narcissism as a safety issue. I’ve always believed that takes a narcissist to think that they have to climb a mountain not that everyone is a narcissist, but I think a high percentage are.
In the UK these idiots set out walking in remote areas in bad weather wearing flip flops and shorts, fully expecting to get rescued for free. The mountain rescue organisations are volunteers BUT the paramedic ambulances and helicopters are paid for by taxpayers. Time these people were made to take out extreme sports insurance. I understand that in france a mayor is so sick of these idiots that you have to pay a bond of €15,000 to climb the local peak, being used for either rescue or funeral.
Altitude and extreme conditions will expose all your strong and weak points whether you want to or not. Be prepared to discover who you really are and what you are made of.
I liked the comment about Adams digestive system making contact with the complaints dept. Who climbs a mountain with rumbling guts ! So glad he survived the fall though.
I’m dying. 😂 “maybe it was the abominal snowman but that’s ridiculous his fingers are too big for those small keys”. The fact that he delivers this line in the same quiet, even tone made it so much funnier. Laughing so hard I can’t breathe. Good one
14:39 I love how a mountain can accurately be described with human characteristics, because it’s very accurate. A mountain is a powerful, beautiful, amazing, and absolutely terrifying thing.
Last trip to Denali, the weather was beautiful so we spent awhile flying around the mountain. It’s usually not possible to have visibility like we had that day. It was amazing. Truly a beautiful monster. climbers were there that day, busily trying to summit .
I wasn't familiar with this case but found it quite interesting. As always, you bring great clarity to a messy and confusing situation. I love your channel! Thanks again Dr. Grande!!
My heart started racing when I pictured the helicopter hovering on skids to rescue the climber...human beings are fearless at times. Thanks Doc. Love you 🐈🐾❤️
I wonder if anyone has ever studied the effect of lack of oxygen on negative cognitive traits. 14k feet and up. Would thin air / low pressure exacerbate, reduce, or have no effect on such traits. How do our brains triage a lack of oxygen. Evenly, or do certain parts of our brains take a greater hit than others to prioritize the more life-perserving parts. Could someone not normally narcissistic start to become so due to altitude sickness? Do we even associate a part of the brain w/narcissism? Obviously a dangerous situation can bring out a person's true colours, and not always for the better. But might a dangerous situation also add some colour where there was none before in a situation like this where low oxygen/pressure might alter, if only temporarily, the brain? Mountain climbing has been around forever, so I would like to think there have been a lot of low oxygen/pressure studies. A quick search shows a lot of known physical symptoms, but how about cognitive? I see confusion come up, 'psychotic behavior', disorientation, hallucinations, memory loss. So I don't know, maybe no one's really studied if it can affect things like narcissism.
What an odd thought, why would it affect a persons personality in such a weirdly specific way? I'm not expert, but i sure am tired of everyone and their mother calling everyone else a narcissist.
It's an interesting question, but from a slightly different angle to what you're thinking. There are many studies about oxygen deprivation but they are done by the _aviation & space industry..._ they need to know how long pilots can function at different altitudes if there's a sudden decompression in the aircraft. Military pilots spend time in decompression chambers during training so they learn how to recognise the symptoms of oxygen deprivation & know when to reach for their air supply. But as many of these studies are commissioned by the military, certain personality traits have already been screened out somewhat.. for example, I'd imagine someone with full narcissistic personality disorder wouldn't make it past military intake as they would not accept the rigid structure & taking orders. But it's important to remember that diagnosing narcissistic traits requires _observation of a combination of behaviours over a long period of time,_ so it's not something as readily measurable in a research study like your visual acuity, or ability to calculate, or your language comprehension.
@@inconnu4961 If you've ever been around a true narcissist you'll realize it's not peddling or bs. They ruin lives, have no remorse...our society is full of them in different forms, and it's in the DSM. Why do you think it's such bs?
You need to watch Everest: The Death Zone. It has David Breashears and Ed Viesturs. They do Psychometric testing at different levels of the mountain for cognitive abilities. You can see their performance deteriorate as they head up the mountain. One of their climbing partners almost dies. Viesturs is a legend in mountain climbing and was interviewed by Charlie Rose. Rose asked him why he was so successful at climbing the world's tallest peaks. He stated he's extremely cautious and is not afraid to turn back, even a couple hundred feet from the summit. Great video, very educational. Narrated by Jodie Foster. Check out the Gamoff Bag!
@@zenawarrior7442 He probably is sick of the explosion of channels and so called "experts" who "diagnose" anyone they come into contact with and have a negative experience of with NPD. UA-cam and other platforms are full of them. It's become the label du jour for people to use against their ex, their MIL, their boss, anyone they've had issues with. NPD is not that common and its not for lay people to diagnose. Some ppl have personality traits that make them horrible to be around whilst maintaining a good side to others. That doesn't necessarily make them narcissists or have full blown NPD. It definitely became a trend and its tiresome. So yeah, that's why ppl call BS on it.
That last quip about narcissists and mountains was very very well done and so true. I’ve seen other videos of mountain climbers that have no business being up at Everest or k2 and going along because it’s something they can hang on their wall to show how great they are or they can bring it up at every dinner party/work convo. You can fool people but you can’t fool Mother Nature.
When I was young, I lived in Colorado Springs. I was born and raised in Detroit, I knew nothing of the mountains, or climbing. My friend talked me into climbing Kissing Camels Rock. No problem going up, big problem with gravity coming down. At that time the national guard came out and got you. And even then, which was the '70s, it was $250 to pluck your happy ass up. They didn't use the helicopter, one of the guys helped me down. Embarrassing part was, I was also in the national guard, so while I didn't have to pay the $250, I paid by getting razzed by everyone in my company the rest of my time in Colorado. Point being, I didn't do it cuz I was some entitled brat. I didn't know any better.
On a day visit to Garden of the God's Park I saw a person above a climbing partner holding the rope. Later I saw a guy headed to the first aid station with his skin damaged, the climber aparently had slid , 30 feet, from his position across the face of the vertical sandstone.
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your Videos. I have this thought in my head that if something happens to me, your depiction of me would not be really good. I have made some bigger mistakes in my life so far and i didn't really do anything cool or impressive or just what I want to do yet. So I kind of use your videos as motivation or reminder to trying to overcome my problems and improve my behaviour and decisions and do good stuff :) But yes that's just a thought I wanted to get out. I hope when my life is over people will remember me in a good way eventhough I made mistakes. So yes thank you for your Videos, i really enjoy your scientific analysis style. It's not as dramatic as other true crime channels do it and it makes learning about all these tragedies easier.
You are so good at narrating things, it makes me feel like I am right there with these people. Scaring me half to death because this is something I would not do, but yeah, you actually put me up there with them while you told their story. That is a true gift you have, to be able to do that. One of your many blessings for sure. 🙏❤️
“His hands are too large for the little keys.” I love your deadpan delivery.
I've met men like Lance: believes he's much better & more able than he actually is. Gets into trouble (often caused by that overconfidence); panics & starts bleating for help, then denies he was that scared, blames it on others etc. These people can be a real liability.
yeah just like hudson from aliens
Just as I about started to type a comment saying that sounds like my someone I know who you were describing, I realized that you have his exact same name. Not many Gavins out there..😄 threw me for a second.
@@Nobluffbuff Spooky! Well, hopefully I'm not the same as the Lance guy, either!
Strange, this seems to be a personality type, as I’ve met bumbling jerks like this too.
One of the good doctor's best! Ego meets rock. As an ex climber, I love it. Probably why I'm alive today. Respect the mountain, the abilities and the weather.
Even though my partners a and I were well prepared, we had turned around maybe 20 percent of the time due to situations we were not willing to insure. I.e. extreme weather, avalanche conditions etc. Recognizing when to turn around is a strong survival skill. I guess we learned it from too many rescues in mountain search and rescue.
I know someone who would have made it to the top except she gave up her “summit day” to look after two climbers she didn’t know who were in physical danger, nursing them in their snow cave. Now that’s a hero. And that’s a successful climb.
Exactly
Well said!
Spending a day helping 2 people survive is much more impressive than getting to the very top of a mountain you’ve already climbed up most of the way. That is a very successful climb
Just to play devil's advocate, she was likely ready to give up, anyways, so when the opportunity arose to throw in the towel whilst saving face, looking like a hero and having a story to tell that makes her look compassionate and selfless, she took it.
She had more grit in physical, mental and emotional accomplishments than anyone I’ve ever met. Stories not for here. Denali incident entirely in keeping with what I know of her.
Let’s not forget it’s freaking HAZARDOUS to land a rescue helo on the side of snowy mountain at nearly 20,000 feet. That’s not a trivial thing.
@@J_Klutchgross. Bot.
I remember the video from a decade ago where a rescue helicopter had trouble with mountain wind, causing the blades to hit the ground. It crashed and rolled down the slope quite a ways. That made another group of people who needed to be rescued.
It is literally the hardest maneuver.
In fact it’s almost maxing out turbine-engine helicopters. Hell I was inserted/extracted by helicopter into remote forests of northern Idaho working for the USFS where most mountain peaks are 8,500 ft or less and many times the flights were canceled due to less than ideal conditions. 25 mph wind gusts were enough to say not today. And most pilots were hardened Vietnam War vets back then. Folks have no idea how finicky helicopters are. I’m always amazed that the US President ever gets into one - much less fairly often on trips to Camp David.
Nah it's a skill problem, if you can't do it maybe you shouldn't by flying a MOUNTAIN RESUCE.
There's been an unfortunate trend in inexperienced hikers using emergency rescue like a taxi service to get out of difficult (sometimes potentially dangerous but not life threatening) descents.
NH had to start charging people for abusing the system in the Presidential Range. Some people would call, simply because they didn't want to climb back down in bad weather.
It's extremely expensive to fly out, as well as dangerous. And every selfish call takes the rescue team away from being able to help someone else who is in actual danger for their life.
Some climbers see Denali/McKinley as an "easy" mountain. They see it as much lower than mountains in the Himalayas and even lower than the highest mountain in South America, Mt. Aconcagua, which can be hiked on its most accessible route. Climbers from South Korea have become notorious for being ill-prepared and expecting automatic rescue. I remember watching a documentary where substantial expenditures in years, money, and effort by a Spanish team were derailed by having to rescue a South Korean climber who was woefully unprepared in training and equipment.
People forget that the barometric pressure is lower than the equivalent altitude elsewhere because of its northern location. Also, somehow, they forget that Denali is in freaking Alaska! The highest mountain that close to the polar regions and the weather can be brutal.
@@jmchez -- CORRECT. | But, in the Hollywood Version of the U.S. in A.D. 2022, everybody can be everything and anything by cosplaying, and then calling the government for rescue from amateur mistakes; the mysteries of eternal adolescence.
Yikes…
These people are called by the anatomical part of a woman's body that Trump loves to grab.
Mariano: 💯% Truth!
This whole video was incredible, Dr. Grande! Wow!
I remember watching a documentary years ago about rescue teams, and how they spoke about how overly confident 'thrill seekers' not only put their own lives at incredible risk, but the people who have to gravely endanger their own lives to save them, and these aren't people who need to be rescued from a hurricane or some other tragedy, these are people who not only have reckless regard for their own life, but also the people who have to rescue them when they're hit with the reality of their own self importance being deeply humbled.
I loved when you said "I think the mountain is particularly dangerous for people with narcissistic traits, because it cannot be manipulated. The mountain does not have empathy. It is immune to deception, and it has no mercy."
So brilliantly said! ♡♡
The description of the Denali climb reminded me of my walking to school in the Minnesota winters. It was the 1970s, we were bundled up like the Randy from Christmas Story pushed out of our warm houses to walk a mile through snow drifts over our heads and the bitter cold. No I never had the urge to climb a mountain. I achieved my goal, graduated from Elementary and went onto to Junior High on a bus!!! 🚌🚌🚌
I also had to walk with my younger sister nearly a mile to elemenrary school in all weather.
And if you wore a hat or toque on very cold days, in the high school years, you were called a wimp. Even Mt Everest with the wind doesn't get as cold as that cold North American plains weather.
3 miles uphill both ways
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I lived in Indiana until actually on my birthday we moved to Ohio but in Indiana we had to walk to school in my town Connersville Indiana and yep you bundled up scarves hats gloves boots big coats and sometimes we even walked home for lunch we had a hour and a half when I was in junior high school there 7th grade and sometimes we walked home for lunch just depends on what was going on in finances I guess but my boys won't even listen to my story they make fun because I tell them how far I had to walk and it was probably a mile maybe more I don't remember cuz I spend many years ago but snow can be three feet tall yeah that's not any fun 😁
Mine was the 1960s, I have no desire to climb 🧗♀️ a mountain 🏔.
"When... a narcissistic mountaineer... attempts to manipulate the mountain, they run into a rock." What a way with words you have, Dr. Grande!
...or their partner does!
@@lisaevon8274 My favorite comment
My Dad used to say some people have too much money for their own good.
Your Dad is a brilliant man, and I totally agree with him. I wish the good Lord would bless me with that kind of cash!!
the airplane Beechcraft Bonanza is known as "The doctor killer." Be very wary of general aviation pilots. Huge ego's and many are only trained for VFR flight. They then get caught in IMC (clouds,fog,rain,snow) conditions, become spatially disoriented and crash into the ground/sea. It's what killed JFK Jr.
Alcoholics and addicts along with idiots who give money to people online they've never met. 🙄
It's called having "more money than brains".
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 what about you? What do you spend your money on? Useless services like cable TV or Spotify ?
Am i the only one who listens to Dr Grande before bed as a soothing voice of reason in the midst of a chaotic world? Sweet dreams fellow curious humans who love dry humor and crime analysis…
I do as well. Perfect voice to fall asleep with 😊
I listen to Dr. Grande at any point in the day when I need a soothing voice of reason...even if it's just my thoughts that are making me crazy!
Me too! Lurid tales usually disturb me, but Dr. G.’s soft voice lulls me right off to sleep.
Always! His videos are perfect for falling asleep. The pitch and cadence of his voice are very relaxing.
Every night before I go to sleep
I particularly liked your concluding thoughts about people with narcissistic traits being accustomed to get their way with people but being bested by a mountain which is impervious to manipulation or deception.
I've climbed Denali, and many other big peaks. I've seen this sort of thing increasingly this last decade or so, on mountains, while running the Grand Canyon, or at my home in the Tetons.
People rely on their satellite devices and phones as a crutch. They not only expect, but DEMAND immediate assistance.
If you're going to do this stuff you MUST go with the mindset that you are on your own, or stay home. Not too long ago that was the attraction of such activities.
Personally, I would do anything to avoid a ride in a helicopter off the West Buttress. I felt far safer up there relying on my ice axe and crampons.
Well said.
I grew up in a family of climbers and recently have started conquering a few peaks.. but where I noticed this spoiled "I'll just send for help" attitude the most is on the PCT (Pacific Crest trail for those who haven't decided to hike from Mexico to Canada).
I did so, I prepared for months, my walls recovered in maps and even though I solo I was linked in distance and emergency phone ispf necessary with a group of guys hiking up from LA. I am female and rather short so I knew it was going to take me a very long time (5 months) but I would not have done so had I not been through hiking my entire life and in not been preparing for months beforehand both in health and research.
Nowadays the PCT is a must for all social media influencers. They photographed their passes when they get them in the mail and they get a tattoo if they finish.. but in between it is an atrocious overpopulated Highway full of ill-informed beginner hikers.
I don't know how many times I had to tell people if they rushed it and they twist their ankle and they're in a case where they can't get out of somewhere they're going to have to hike hike out on their own... possibly not true, obviously if a hiker is disabled with a leg injury rescue service would try to get to them. But I would say so because I was sick and tired I've seen people with this attitude of "well, I'm just going to push myself and if I injure myself emergency services will come scoop me up in a helicopter. A) not always the case and B) not necessary if you're prepared.
Makes a lot of sense to me. 🏔️🏂❄️🏔️🏂🌨️🗻🏔️❄️🏞️
From what I've read , especially high altitude climbers when you go you know you're on your own . I just read the story of Reinhold messner and his brother on nanga parbat. Even after losing his brother high on the mountain Reinhold made his way down the mountain with severe frostbite and lost 7 toes. 6 days later he made into a local village and got help.
Your so kool!!!
I about peed my pants on the "It's funny how people look up the last leg to the summit and all of a sudden remember they left something plugged at the house." Hilariously true!
Always my iron too.
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The knobs on the gas kitchen stove or forgetting to lock the door.🤣
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Someone probably has already said this, but I can't help myself - "mountain has no empathy, immune to deception, no mercy". Applause, Doctor
Nature certainly could care less about someone's BS, that's for sure.
You say "the mountain has no empathy". Are there are any caring, empathetic mountains out there, or are _all_ mountains cold, uncaring sociopaths like ^Denali? 😁
Like the highest point in Florida? 😊
@@itsallspent My friend lives in Florida, I'll need to ask him
Jason choked, got scared, made up a story, and tried to erase the evidence of this. He had no business on that climb and should have been banned for life.
Also put the rescuing team in danger.
Yep. That’s pretty much it. Reckless behavior at its finest
I've seen Denali many times, from the air, the train, the highway and the park bus, but I will never forget that first time, from the train on the way from Anchorage to Fairbanks. No combination of adjectives is sufficient to describe the sheer size and magnificence. Even on a clear day it reveals itself in successive stages of increasing height, each one more brilliant and vast than the last, and you think each must be the final summit, then another higher ridge reveals itself. That was more than 40 years ago but the memory is bright as it was that first time. To this real backwoodsman, no cheechako, it is the height of hubris to climb it, and by the description provided, these folks had no buisness there at all.
Larry Buzbee --- But what about their vanities? Don't they have a right to pretend?
@@marianotorrespico2975 Sometimes vanities are destroyed in bonfires, sometimes in ice, apparently. Parlate l'Italiano? Se il caso, anch'io.
I think the other couple was perfectly capable of climbing Denali. Even the man who fell was very experienced - he simply got altitude sickness, which can happen to anyone climbing those heights. It was Jason Lance who was the unfortunate weak link, although the other couple probably should’ve insisted that Rawski turn when he first started exhibiting the signs of altitude sickness. Still - he was not their partner. I have no doubt what would’ve happened: Jason Lance would’ve refused to turn back, and left Adam Rawski with Wilson and Maynard.
I am a (mostly retired) mountain climber and couldn't agree more about the false summit's, they can be brutal if you aren't really good with a topo map and study where you are going first. I have seen many people be overcome by them, pushing with their last strength to reach goals that are not there and having to suddenly change plans. It is a mental focus of razor sharpness many challenging hikes/climbs require, I call it getting into the "zone", an almost Zen like trance with one step at a time. I am not sure if I have conveyed what I am trying to say but I am sure many might sort of understand what I am mean. Seeing Denali the way you described it is perfect though, lovely description!❤✌🏻
@@canterburytail2294 Please excuse in advance the following essay, but I think we may have taken similar paths, and having had a great deal of time to think about these things I'm in the mood to expound to a fellow traveller.
I've climbed a few, and hiked a bit too and in many different places, but my real deal, till my knees wore out, was solo unsupported long distance road cycling (and daily commuting to stay in shape). All such endurance 'sports' are in fact, at their core, exercises in mind over matter, or more accurately, will over mind over body.
First the body says it's too tired to go on and the mind overrules the body for a time. To do so the brain begins to shut down some ordinarily active regions to free up glucose for the hungry, tired muscles. This results in a literally altered state of conciousness that the practicioner comes to know and love. Lets call it Level 2, or second wind.
When some suite of neurotransmitters, hormones, nutrients, electrolytes and what have you are even further depleted, over or under saturated, oxidized etc. through further intense exertion we arrive at Level 3. This is where the will to go on can overrule the rational mind and either the rubber or your face meets the road/gravel/ice/reef depending on how adept you are.
This is also where, if properly managed and prepared for we endurofolk find the first signs of the "almost Zenlike" state you speak of. But I strongly disagree with your "almost" because in my experience when persued to Level 4 as described below, it is indistinguishable from what has been called by many names; satori, transcendance, Zen, Tao, etc.
The main differences between our physical practice and the spiritual path is that the penalties for failure while sitting in meditation, such as passing out into your tea cup are all out of proportion to fatally veering into traffic or falling off a mountain due to a momentary misjudgement or lapse of attention in our cases.
Endurofolk, by necessity, must remain intimately connected to the real world moment to moment so as to not die or mangle their actual real physical bodies while spirtual practitioners minds are free to wander in realms where ordinary physics do not apply, not to put too fine of a point on it. The escalating shut down of faculties like the capacity for coherent speech, stable posture etc, will provide ample warning to the initiate that your judgement and balance will fail next and it's past time to take a break and not make any further critical decisions except to retreat or call for help in necessity. That's Level 3 pro style.
But I tell you what my friend, and I'm pretty sure you know this, when done right and safely savored in your resting gear of choice at end of day, refueled, profoundly relaxed and properly, ah, remediated, we reach Level 4. I cannot imagine a finer state of being, elevated in mind and body, simultaneously present and absent, knowing that you have approached and thereby honored the exertions of our ancient ancestors' mighty, initially naked prowess on the long, fraught journey from Olduvai to here and now.
As a percentage of the total 'first world' population, very few people ever in their lives achieve that Level 3&4 thing that dogged everone's heels, honed their bodies and senses, inspired our souls and sharpened up the gene pool for the vast majority of the last 250k, or 3.5 billion years, depending on your choice of zero.
Most now spend their entire adult lives entirely in service to a giant soul sucking machine exactly because it enables them to completely avoid coming close enough to Level 2 to know it even exists except perhaps when fighting the crowds for a new I phone or dwindling supply of toilet paper. Meanwhile the requirements and risks of going further are, to coin a phrase "Incontheivable!".
More apropos of the OP here, and to summarize; add together altitude, exhaustion, fear, bad attitude, bad weather, selfie culture, overconfidence and inexperience with Level 3 altered conciousness and the outcome is entirely and predictably unfortunate for all concerned. If you mean to climb Denali, of all places, you had better go for the right reasons and with all your faculties, both physical and moral, well accounted for. Mountains are alive too, like Wizards, so we are told, they are subtle and often quick to anger.
Jason is the kind of climber that almost got me killed on Mt Rainier a few years back. From that point I stopped climbing with people either I or my climbing friends dont know.
I know I’m late but I want to hear that story!
You should’ve never started climbing with strangers. That’s a recipe for disaster.
I love the ending of this, where the narcissist and the mountain clash! You're a great thinker, and a very clever writer as well.
I’m going to go climb this *huge* mountain ….”Nope.. I just remembered I want to stay alive”…LOL😂
I've binged nearly all of your videos within a couple weeks. Thank you for uploading so often, these are some of the most entertaining analysis videos I've come across.
Been there. His content is so good. And so much. It's sad when you have watched all of it because at least I always want more. lol.
I know! I've only recently found this guy. I had no idea people were so complicated. This one was interesting. I enjoyed this one.
Hopefully more like learning vice entertainment as he is a doctor who is trying to educate!
Yes, l love your videos too, Dr Grande. In fact l prefer the more recent ones where your comedy is the main feature...Looking back at earlier ones, you tended to be more psychoanalytical and used your term 'OCEAN' a lot. Personally l like your poker face humour bits much better. Thank you for making my day every day in my holidays!!
Dr. Grande, your dry humor is priceless😂 I truly enjoy your segments, as your analysis are insightful, and well thought out.
3:28 - 3:46 😊
I have always thought that situations like this occur more frequently that most people believe. Thanks Dr. Grande for putting the spotlight on it.
We have cases of that kind all the time in Austria. Even a 20 meter hill can kill you, if you just fall from it “the right way”. And I think our time, where everybody, be it advertisement or social media, vies for your attention, amplifies narcissistic tendencies. The mountains however do not care how many followers on Instagram they have, they _are._ And a certain kind of people just doesn't get it. And then they are surprised to no end when the Alpine rescue services charge them for the cost of the rescue. It is bad, really bad.
I always prefer the Big Picture…which includes seeing the mountain from a distance.
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Me too haha
Same sense of humor as the doctor, I see.
oh my goodness i love your username!
I like the way you think.
I get nervous stepping up to the second rung on a ladder.
I was asked to be a wilderness first responder at Denali. It is solely run by the US Army and used as a training post whilst they also bring in outside contractors (like I would have been since I have never served)
It's one of only less than a handful of mountains in the US this service is provided solely by the military and its contractors alone. This makes what he did even more egregious even though it should be equally as bad with civilian only reacue ops. Taking resources or putting them in harm's way is a gross mistep and being that I also work in the medical field I'm actually shocked he was allowed to keep his medical license after something like this. It doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal but it most certainly was.
Your sense of humor is fantastic! The snippets of light hearted comedy never take away from the learning, in fact they add to it :)
“I think they’re aware they’d rather remain alive.” I love your dry humor!
You mention an executive, then a radiologist. These people are able to buy their way into a dangerous sport where there's no coach to stop them.
That's ridiculous
Both professions require a somewhat oversized personal confidence level. Perhaps that served neither one of them well with Denali's might. It's always a good idea to remain humble where Mother Nature is boss.
These people, and many others like those who attempt Mt. Everest, might have money and access to the sport, but they are either Darwin Award recipients or as in this case highly qualified candidates. I have no sympathy for them.
@@user-ic1lo9wh5f...it may be ridiculous, but sometimes the truth is ridiculous.
@@mikelobrien you don't 'buy into' alpine climbing like in art or race car driving. The climbing community is very humble and get theirs ego checked all the time. Fakers don't make it very long (or high) in that sport.
Good analysis Doc. As a lover of mountain hiking most of my life, I've often said that hiking is a perfect analog for life. Mt climbing is that on steroids. It exposes people for what they are, both the good and the bad. The mountain is uncaring, impartial and without pity. It's the perfect place for men and women to learn the truth about themselves.
They’ll only learn the truth if they’re open to self criticism. It sounds like Jason (and possibly others) just dug in his Egoic heals even more, after being exposed.
Self realization is a huge pill to swallow; most people just choke on it.
@@canileaveitblank1476 A person can realize something about themselves without making a public admission about it. Can't say that happened in this case but I suspect it did.
Yeah, I went on a hike a few months ago with some friends. It is normally a 2.5 to 3 hour hike up fairly steep track to get to an elevation where snow and ice is forming on the mountain and then a 3 hour descent. It took me 5+ hours to reach the lookout and I was physically spent and absolutely exhausted. I knew I was unfit but didn't realise exactly how unfit I was.
Have you ever read Julius Evola? Meditation on the peaks” is fantastic
@@TheTruthKiwi Fortunately your misjudgment didn't cost you your life. I had several experiences in the mountains when I was young and foolish that should've ended me but didn't. I suppose that same fearless foolishness enabled me to survive. Yep, I think it did.
Brilliant analysis, as usual! Living in a state where outdoor activities such as hiking and climbing are abundant, the news of unprepared, underequipped, and reckless participants is heard often! The cost of the rescues, and the danger faced by the rescuers, is very high. I had never considered the narcissistic angle before in these cases, and think you are spot on. Ego, entitlement, magical thinking- all exacerbate the potential problems. Of course, sometimes even the best prepared folks have accidents or sudden health crises. And the rescuers are truly heroes!! Thank you for another enlightening and entertaining case!! ❤
At least no one died in this case. Im pretty sure Dr. Grande covered the case with the couple, their baby and their dog, who went out for a hike unprepared and they all died.
As I think about it, it applies to all types of situations. The drunk driver or distracted driver who hits someone or the driver who chooses not to put on a seatbelt and ends up projecting through the windshield. The morbidly obese person who requires 4 people to lift / turn them in the hospital bed. The list goes on. We really lack personal accountability and community - we are all connected but we act like we're not. Thank goodness there are first responders who want to help us despite our selfish ways!
@@jenm6977 Yes my RN ER busband is crippled for life from pushing a gurney with a very obese man late at night...it completely wrecked his ankle amnd he did not have medical coverage because he was an independent contract worker. He has been on a cane with an almost constant limp ever since. Like many men he jist bear it ...he isnt a complainer.We moved out of the USA soon after and he cannot even use Medicare but we do have a happier and better quañity of lofe here.
@@latinaalma1947I’ve heard of that being an issue before from someone. It must be somewhat common. Hopefully your husband can recover as much as possible.
@@PenskePC17 Thank you.
I’ll never understand how climbing a huge mountain in the freezing cold weather amounts to fun for some people.
@Jimmy from Philly That's what I was going to say lol
@@frankG335 Great summary of challenges in life.
@A.S No thanks. Looks absolutely miserable.
I know.. and the peeps who climb up to wear they need oxygen... it looks like hell 😂😂😂🤣
Maybe they think if Sylvester Stallone could do it in Cliffhanger, they can too.
“His intestines were making frequent visits to the complaint department” surprised me into an lol (during fairly serious work on health demographics :) Thank you for your levity and another great video.
I too appreciate the subtle yet descriptive wit. Grande strikes again!!
Health demographics? That sounds seriously racist
That cannot be easy in this environment.....
Beautifully said, Doc. I especially loved the bit about suddenly remembering leaving something on the stove, or having left the iron on - code for "I just realized I'd like to keep living". 😂😂🤣🤣
I've climbed with someone like that. Maddening. He'd suddenly realise he brought the wrong shoes. Mountaineering does reveal the true character of a person.
I've been around a while and have seen some people in your line of work talk bad about what you do here. There may be some information I am not privy to but you should be able to use your free time and education any way you see fit.
This channel is a good addition to the true crime family and often, if not always, you have some useful insight to help people understand what may be going on in these situations. You are entertaining people and giving a perspective from a professional angle that a lot of people appreciate. You are never malicious and even your tame dry jokes are never out of bounds.
You don't hurt anyone and may have even helped a few along the way. Keep up the good work and don't listen to the gatekeepers that think this type of thing is below their station or you are giving info that they think should not be freely handed out. I can't afford to donate so I figured at least this comment may carry some value. Cheers!
Love the variety of your work. You give such a wide selection of human behaviour. I learn something new with each case. Keep up the good work. Take care.
Really like your sense of humour…very difficult with the subject matter! Your jokes and puns are funny,gentle never cruel.I’m from the UK home of Ricky Gervais.Thanks for your vids.
His jokes are subtle enough that they can be brushed off as bad phrasing or witty commentary, but funny enough to lighten up a serious subject. Dr. Grande is also a comedian, not just a psychiatrist.
I love the 2 seasons of the " The Office" with Gervais ! So funny
As a climber, I can say you did a great job of summarizing some of the toxic behaviors amongst mountaineers. Well done here
Such a great point. Nature is a great equalizer and a mirror to ourselves. It is truly indifferent.
Thought the same. He nailed it. Alot of the time, experienced mountaineers, extreme skiers etc are unassuming, calculated and don't do it for bragging rights but like the internal challenge. Usually very low key.
Dr. Grande, thank you for the analysis, it’s as usual packed with plenty humor… “when the narcissists try to manipulate the mountain, they run into a rock” 😂😭😭
3:42 I always remember that you are actually a comedian in therapist clothing.
I don't know how you maintain such an even deadpan tone with such good jokes; but Leslie Nielson would be proud.
I thought the title implied that one person tried to kill their climbing partner?
Me too. Too close to clickbait for my taste.
I kept waiting for that
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This is the best and most complete Denali story I've ever heard
I really like your take in the end on narcissism vs the mountain.
As Richard Feynman said "You can’t fool nature" but I never though about it from that specific perspective.
People get into trouble all the time in NH Mt. Washington. A mountaineer quoted in boston globe after a recent climber death caught in bad weather said he was still alive in his hobby because he knew when to turn back. I never forgot that advice.
Used to live in Boston and would hike in the area. It would infuriate me when I would hear stories of experienced people taking their inexperienced friends up there and then getting them killed. Charges of manslaughter would be appropriate.
A horse will drop dead, trying. A mule will use his brain, and will refuse.
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There are times when stubbornness can be a gift.
I think you did a great job of pointing out all the possible reasons this unfortunate incident happened, Dr. Grande. Big egos and lack of respect for nature are always a bad mix. I've spent a little time hiking the White Mountains of New Hampshire, and too many people get injured as a result of their own stupidity and lack of preparedness.
The ease with with some people confuse "determination to do whatever you want at any cost" with some sort of positive character trait is frightening. As though all you have to do is "not be scared to believe X" and somehow X will become true?
Surprising to hear Jason is prior service. All service members know when you go out, you're on your own. He really had a sense of entitlement.
I'd bet he was lying abt that, as well.
there's plenty of duds in the military
“They wanted it to be a surprise rescue.” 😂
Yea that was "cute" on the Dox part, but you don't know what communications Ahole with the radio deleted or what else he did to sabotage the climb. Would you, if you had the chance, climb with Mr. Knowit All Text Delete-or?
Bob ! You tha man !
The talk at the very end of the video about the mountain being too much for a narcissist was excellent. One of the best descriptions I have ever heard of how narcissists take to survive.
I really liked your thoughts on narcissists and mountains :)
My daughter worked on a fishing boat in Anchorage for seven years. It’s dangerous! (But pays really well) Thank you for this educational vid, Dr Grande!
I marvel at how you can make me laugh about a serious case - several times - and when I least expect it. Well done, as always.
I abandoned my climb of Denali. I was very efficient in my decision and began and abandoned at 1,260 feet.
Really great analysis, Dr. Grande. Loved what you said about the mountain being very dangerous for narcissists. So spot on!
The Acute Mountain Sickness that Adam was experiencing - any experienced climber will tell you - when that is happening - It Is Time To Descend. Any and all climbing should only be done at the pace of the slowest climber. But if that climber is ill - all should descend - if going as a group. The ego of the climber who attempted the summit alone is common in mountain climbing - and usually creates deadly results. No ropes descending The Audubon area was another huge error. Judgment on the mountain changes with lack of oxygen. So, decision making is skewed.
There is significant expense in requesting a helicopter rescue in these circumstances. Deleting the messages may have been a way to avoid the responsibility of payment for the rescue.
It is an incorrect assumption that each person is responsible for themselves when climbing a mountain. Although this "team' was a bit thrown together - each is responsible for all.
Your final thought about the mountain is amazingly correct. The mountain itself decides who will summit and who will not. Especially a Sacred Summit - Like Denali.
I love your back handed humor! Keep iot up. You are also very insightful. A good teacher to!
I have been in a texting relationship for some time now with the Abominable Snowman and you are now telling me his fingers are too big to type? I have been hoaxed ? Am devastated. Idiots shouldnt climb mountains.
I enjoy how you find a way to bring in your sense of humor.
My biggest fear is that I'll climb a mountain (Denali, Everest, whatevs) and remember my plugged-in coffee maker right as I'm nearing the summit. That's why I don't climb mountains.
I love it when our OCD keeps us safe!! Yay!!🎉😂
@@Isabella66Gracen that's all it took for you to come to the conclusion that she has OCD?
As for you, have you been diagnosed with OCD?
Wise of you.
Terrific metaphors used in describing the natural, majestic attitude of a mountain and how that contrasts with narcissism characteristics. A shinning moment for you.
This expedition is rough. Just getting there is difficult. We had a guy with our group with an everest and k2 summit that turned back.
i admire their humility. every encounter is it's own context, and just because he could climb everest on that day doesn't mean he could climb mckinley in this one. you have to be able to analyze your abilities and the conditions honestly, every time.
Rich Person's Entitlement Syndrome. That's what I call it. And I have seen it first hand.
Just because one has wealth, doesn't mean they have class.
Hey Dr. G, thanks for the video-an early birthday present for me! 🥳 My nephew’s middle name is McKinley after this mountain. Great point about mountains and nature being immovable-an important reminder for all, especially narcissistic outdoorsmen! 😀👍
Thanks!
Good morning, Dr. Grande!❤️
Thank you Todd, for talking about this issue, these cracy narcissists do not care about anything, they do not care about the rescuers and the families left behind
Good afternoon Dr Grande , it's the 1st August in Australia , so it's my birthday today, but I would like to turn it around and say thank you for your uploads , they never fail too make make many day. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.
Happy birthday I've got 40-ish minutes till the 1st but hope you have a great birthday
It’s my birthday too so happy birthday, birthday twin! Hope you have a wonderful day! 🥳🥳
Happy birthday 🎂❤hope you are having a lovely day!❤🎂
Happy Birthday to you!
Happy Birthday Cotton.
At first, I thought this was going to be a case of attempted murder. I thought someone was pushed and survived. I'm glad I was wrong. I don't understand Jason's actions at all. As a teenager my parents decided to climb Mt. Whitney as a family. I think it's over 14,000 feet. We didn't use ropes we hiked the trail. Halfway up hikers pitch tents and spend the night at Mirror Lake. Where cute Golden Marmots can be seen peaking their heads out of holes. At some point on the trail we ran into three brawny looking women. They were the strongest looking women I'd ever seen. Not only were they super tall but they were large boned with calves the size of basketballs and they were wearing heavy duty hiking boots. When they saw me and my sister they scoffed at us. We were model thin and were wearing light weight sneakers that weren't even suitable for the hike. They looked at us with scorn and laughter and said, "You'll never make it. This is our third attempt and we didn't make it, again. You don't have a chance." They laughed at us and headed back down off the mountain.
We continued the hike in spite of their prediction of doom and we ended up making it clear to the top of the mountain. There's an empty cabin at the very top and the view is spectacular. Then we hiked back down to Mirror Lake and spent the night again before hiking back down the next morning. It wasn't an easy hike but we made it and my theory is this >>> Because we were light weight and our shoes were too, I feel it made it easier for us to make it to the top. If we had been wearing mega boots like them, we might have been too weighted down to make it too. lol
Light of ego too. Well done
you were lucky with the weather
@@Gullsz Actually, there was a lot of wild thunder and lightning at the very top by the cabin, but I don't remember any rain, if there was rain it was light, and for some reason I can't remember how close or far off in the distance the lightning was. I just remember seeing lightning against pinkish-purple mountains off in the distance. On the hike on the way up there was fresh untouched snow along the sides of the trail in certain places, (my sister and I actually ate some) but the trail itself wasn't affected by snow. I can't remember what time of year we went but it was basically warm and sunny, and knowing my father, he would have chosen a time of year that was favorable to the climb. There were quite a few tents at Mirror Lake so there were other hikers in various stages of the climb as well. I would say if a person is in good health and they are fairly young the climb is not impossible to achieve.
Strength to weight ratio. You must be very strong and lithe
@@CristinaAcosta I was rather lithe but I wouldn't say strong:-)
14:50 the mental imagery analogizing the mountain is well put, and a nice touch. Thanks
Very interesting analysis, especially your final comments on narcissism. I'm guessing there's more empathy amongst the rescue crews. They must still be brave and confident to go into those conditions to retrieve people in danger, but a full rescue team of narcissists and sociopaths? "Not my problem!" _sips hot chocolate from the comfort of base camp_
There's a list of job that attract narcissist an sociopaths, that don't become killers. Surgeon is one of them,you don't have to care about people to save them, it the attention they get for being a "savior" is what they get off on.
@@vawest2052 This explains why religious clergy are on the top 10 list of careers that attract narcs, along with surgeons Etc.
@@vawest2052 my career was in the healthcare field. Definitely narcissistic personality attraction to some of the roles in that profession. Scary culture.
@@llkellenba I second that for sure. As a lay person I've had two different health professionals go off on me. Once I was describing to A Dr. friend someone who had a woo woo alternative and I was indicating that there needs to be balance between personal assessments and when to garner advise from a professional using common sense. This woman went off on me even tho I was on her side. Sometimes I think they are accustomed to being head honcho and you're not allowed an opinion. I also think they are so invested with time and money into their careers that they are blinded. With a nurse practitioner friend I described some really poor health care I had received.... an outright mis-diagnoses that would have been devastating for me had I not been pro active about lab results. It was truly cuckoo leading up to this as well. I understand time constraints they are under. This friend was just practically frothing bc I couldn't possibly be correct even tho a second opinion clearly confirmed my suspicions. I can see this is a career where ego, expertise and intimate authority in people lives can attract some bizarre narcisistic bedside manner. That said I have rarely sought out medical attention even tho i most definitely appreciate its necessity. The few times I've needed medical assistance it's has been a mixed bag of really good and really questionable.
You’re subtle humor is a riot. Along with your manner of tone and facial expressions is like the perfect level of nerd comedian. I love your vids and keep it up!
Dr. Grande, please consider covering the bizarre disappearance of 9 year old Asha Degree. It's such a creepy, haunting case. I'd love to hear your analysis on why a happy 9 year old would run away in the middle of the night during a freezing cold rainstorm.
Interesting. I second that.
I've asked him several times but so far no response. Fingers crossed he sees your post and covers her disappearance.
@@BunnySlippers82 I learned about Asha years and years ago and to this day it's one of the most unsettling disappearances I've ever heard.
@@rosenbaum75 I completely agree. It's deeply upsetting and the more you find out about it, the more questions you have.
This one never stops bothering me. The Mitrice Richardson really bugs me too, just so many unanswered questions.
This guys so calm it’s unnerving.
Dr Grande is the man love his takes on these cases 😂
It is brilliant how you talked about narcissism as a safety issue. I’ve always believed that takes a narcissist to think that they have to climb a mountain not that everyone is a narcissist, but I think a high percentage are.
In the UK these idiots set out walking in remote areas in bad weather wearing flip flops and shorts, fully expecting to get rescued for free. The mountain rescue organisations are volunteers BUT the paramedic ambulances and helicopters are paid for by taxpayers. Time these people were made to take out extreme sports insurance. I understand that in france a mayor is so sick of these idiots that you have to pay a bond of €15,000 to climb the local peak, being used for either rescue or funeral.
You're sarcasm is hilarious !
Altitude and extreme conditions will expose all your strong and weak points whether you want to or not. Be prepared to discover who you really are and what you are made of.
I love your deadpan delivery of jokes.
I don't like walking up the incline in my backyard
I liked the comment about Adams digestive system making contact with the complaints dept. Who climbs a mountain with rumbling guts ! So glad he survived the fall though.
I love learning from your different videos. Stories I have never heard. Wonderful depth and learning about the mountain. Blessings ❤
I’m dying. 😂 “maybe it was the abominal snowman but that’s ridiculous his fingers are too big for those small keys”. The fact that he delivers this line in the same quiet, even tone made it so much funnier. Laughing so hard I can’t breathe. Good one
14:39 I love how a mountain can accurately be described with human characteristics, because it’s very accurate. A mountain is a powerful, beautiful, amazing, and absolutely terrifying thing.
Last trip to Denali, the weather was beautiful so we spent awhile flying around the mountain. It’s usually not possible to have visibility like we had that day. It was amazing. Truly a beautiful monster. climbers were there that day, busily trying to summit .
I wasn't familiar with this case but found it quite interesting. As always, you bring great clarity to a messy and confusing situation. I love your channel! Thanks again Dr. Grande!!
Your abdominal snowman joke was dry toast but with jelly and butter on it. 😂😂I low key chuckled for 2 min
"They wonder if they left something plugged in at their house". That made me laugh out loud. :)
My heart started racing when I pictured the helicopter hovering on skids to rescue the climber...human beings are fearless at times. Thanks Doc. Love you 🐈🐾❤️
I wonder if anyone has ever studied the effect of lack of oxygen on negative cognitive traits. 14k feet and up. Would thin air / low pressure exacerbate, reduce, or have no effect on such traits. How do our brains triage a lack of oxygen. Evenly, or do certain parts of our brains take a greater hit than others to prioritize the more life-perserving parts. Could someone not normally narcissistic start to become so due to altitude sickness? Do we even associate a part of the brain w/narcissism? Obviously a dangerous situation can bring out a person's true colours, and not always for the better. But might a dangerous situation also add some colour where there was none before in a situation like this where low oxygen/pressure might alter, if only temporarily, the brain? Mountain climbing has been around forever, so I would like to think there have been a lot of low oxygen/pressure studies. A quick search shows a lot of known physical symptoms, but how about cognitive? I see confusion come up, 'psychotic behavior', disorientation, hallucinations, memory loss. So I don't know, maybe no one's really studied if it can affect things like narcissism.
What an odd thought, why would it affect a persons personality in such a weirdly specific way? I'm not expert, but i sure am tired of everyone and their mother calling everyone else a narcissist.
It's an interesting question, but from a slightly different angle to what you're thinking. There are many studies about oxygen deprivation but they are done by the _aviation & space industry..._ they need to know how long pilots can function at different altitudes if there's a sudden decompression in the aircraft. Military pilots spend time in decompression chambers during training so they learn how to recognise the symptoms of oxygen deprivation & know when to reach for their air supply.
But as many of these studies are commissioned by the military, certain personality traits have already been screened out somewhat.. for example, I'd imagine someone with full narcissistic personality disorder wouldn't make it past military intake as they would not accept the rigid structure & taking orders.
But it's important to remember that diagnosing narcissistic traits requires _observation of a combination of behaviours over a long period of time,_ so it's not something as readily measurable in a research study like your visual acuity, or ability to calculate, or your language comprehension.
@@inconnu4961 If you've ever been around a true narcissist you'll realize it's not peddling or bs. They ruin lives, have no remorse...our society is full of them in different forms, and it's in the DSM. Why do you think it's such bs?
You need to watch Everest: The Death Zone. It has David Breashears and Ed Viesturs. They do Psychometric testing at different levels of the mountain for cognitive abilities. You can see their performance deteriorate as they head up the mountain. One of their climbing partners almost dies. Viesturs is a legend in mountain climbing and was interviewed by Charlie Rose. Rose asked him why he was so successful at climbing the world's tallest peaks. He stated he's extremely cautious and is not afraid to turn back, even a couple hundred feet from the summit. Great video, very educational. Narrated by Jodie Foster. Check out the Gamoff Bag!
@@zenawarrior7442 He probably is sick of the explosion of channels and so called "experts" who "diagnose" anyone they come into contact with and have a negative experience of with NPD.
UA-cam and other platforms are full of them. It's become the label du jour for people to use against their ex, their MIL, their boss, anyone they've had issues with.
NPD is not that common and its not for lay people to diagnose. Some ppl have personality traits that make them horrible to be around whilst maintaining a good side to others. That doesn't necessarily make them narcissists or have full blown NPD.
It definitely became a trend and its tiresome.
So yeah, that's why ppl call BS on it.
Grande's consistency ensures nobody can accuse bruh of fallin off.
He doesn't even need a satellite messenger device cuz he'd never fall a thousand feet
That last quip about narcissists and mountains was very very well done and so true. I’ve seen other videos of mountain climbers that have no business being up at Everest or k2 and going along because it’s something they can hang on their wall to show how great they are or they can bring it up at every dinner party/work convo. You can fool people but you can’t fool Mother Nature.
You're the best mental health content creator on UA-cam. Love your videos. Keep it up Dr. G
"This is ridiculous. His fingers are too large for those little keys..."☃️🤣🤣☃️
Thanks for working late Doc.
Insomnia has it’s rewards!
When I was young, I lived in Colorado Springs. I was born and raised in Detroit, I knew nothing of the mountains, or climbing. My friend talked me into climbing Kissing Camels Rock. No problem going up, big problem with gravity coming down. At that time the national guard came out and got you. And even then, which was the '70s, it was $250 to pluck your happy ass up. They didn't use the helicopter, one of the guys helped me down. Embarrassing part was, I was also in the national guard, so while I didn't have to pay the $250, I paid by getting razzed by everyone in my company the rest of my time in Colorado. Point being, I didn't do it cuz I was some entitled brat. I didn't know any better.
On a day visit to Garden of the God's Park I saw a person above a climbing partner holding the rope.
Later I saw a guy headed to the first aid station with his skin damaged, the climber aparently had slid , 30 feet, from his position across the face of the vertical sandstone.
This Gentleman's deadpan humour is amazing 🤩.. really enjoying these videos 👍😉
Jason sounds like a real piece of work. I’m glad he was charged.
love your humour, thanks for this story. Cheers Rosemary Perth Western Australia (71 yrs)
Hello Dr. Grande, thank you for your Videos. I have this thought in my head that if something happens to me, your depiction of me would not be really good. I have made some bigger mistakes in my life so far and i didn't really do anything cool or impressive or just what I want to do yet. So I kind of use your videos as motivation or reminder to trying to overcome my problems and improve my behaviour and decisions and do good stuff :) But yes that's just a thought I wanted to get out. I hope when my life is over people will remember me in a good way eventhough I made mistakes.
So yes thank you for your Videos, i really enjoy your scientific analysis style. It's not as dramatic as other true crime channels do it and it makes learning about all these tragedies easier.
You are so good at narrating things, it makes me feel like I am right there with these people. Scaring me half to death because this is something I would not do, but yeah, you actually put me up there with them while you told their story. That is a true gift you have, to be able to do that. One of your many blessings for sure. 🙏❤️
I love your humour. You say everything with a straight face. I love it. Also, would you do the James Bulger case?
Loved your closing argument!! Love the message to narcissistics !!