Cholesterol and Heart Disease: Why Has There Been So Much Controversy?
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2022
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Eggs might raise LDL when healthy vegans start eating them(compared to 0 dieatery choleseterol and people with healthy BMI), but that doesn't necessarily apply to all people. And there seems to be stuff in eggs that actually lowers inflamation markers in the some groups of people people with metabolic syndrome while not raising their LDL when compared to choline bitartate suplement if the results from the study below are valid. Small sample size but it's an interventional study unlike many of the observational studies that link egg consumption directly to heart disease and even cancer.
"Choline Intake as Supplement or as a Component of Eggs Increases Plasma Choline and Reduces Interleukin-6 without Modifying Plasma Cholesterol in Participants with Metabolic Syndrome 2020"
"In conclusion, three eggs/day did not increase biomarkers for CVD, specifically LDL cholesterol, in people with MetS. Moreover, eggs did not negatively affect any of the biomarkers of MetS, while improving the inflammatory marker IL-6. Eggs also improved HOMA-IR and decreased plasma insulin. Eggs are a good source of choline thus consumption of eggs enables individuals to achieve adequate intake of this nutrient. Therefore, whole eggs could be considered a healthful food choice for people with MetS."
Egg industry was funding the study, so they obviously had their motivation to show eggs in a positve light, but is the study itself flawed and the results questionable or is there actually the possibility that people that are already overweight and with metabolic syndrome, might even benefit from egg consumption at least until they get to a normal BMI?
My dad is a heart patient, in the hospital waiting on test results to determine whether the recommended angiogram followed by new stents should follow.
For breakfast they fed him eggs and sausage. I asked what the hell is that about? They told me that is the breakfast everyone receives unless we’d like him to be on a “heart healthy diet”. She asks me, “would that be better?” I say anything would be better than eggs and sausage. He is a heart patient wow. They’re recommending life threatening and kidney compromising procedures while feeding food that causes heart disease. Sorry but that is criminal if you ask me. Will be speaking with someone else there.
Should mention we’re in Canada. Not sure how hospital meals differ. But this is typical of hospitals here.
The hospital gave me eggs and bacon the morning after my stroke
The worse part is, hospitals would be saving TONS of money, if only they went plant-based. Oh wait, then they'd ACTUALLY SHOW that they're trying to be a HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, can't have that now. smh
Pretty sure the extra risk from those eggs n sausages are negligible sir and your protest just makes you seem like a lunatic
@@sam8922 You do realize that you're going against OVERHELMING research showing otherwise, but you're 'pretty sure'. Projection much? smh
@@ddpwe5269 such health conditions are caused by a lifetime of eating bad food in excess. The extra risk from a few more "bad" meals is effectively zero
Thank you for continuing to shine a spotlight on this topic. Where I believe most of the confusion comes from is that there are two schools of thought on this topics. School A: Dietary Cholesterol and Cholesterol in your body are the same thing (i.e. you eat high cholesterol foods, your cholesterol goes up), in other words, a direct linkage and School B: where it is viewed that dietary cholesterol, when consumed is esterified, and not directly consumed by the body, but goes through another pathway (as described in the below video).....assuming that metabolic pathway is "health" or results in appropriate cholesterol regulation...excess cholesterol is excreted...in others words, there is no direct linkage between high cholesterol consumption to high cholesterol levels in the blood....it probably goes without saying, an indirect relationship exists and, high cholesterol foods, generally negatively impact metabolic health, lead to poor cholesterol regulation in the body, and so on.... Would really love to hear your (Dr. Greger) throughs on Dr. Attias view on this...Thanks!
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This study was egg industry funded and with small sample size so might be questionable, but in it people that already had metabolic syndrome, didn't see their LDL increase when eating eggs compared to a choline suplement. Their metabolic markers didn't get worse and one inflamation marker actually improved: "Choline Intake as Supplement or as a Component of Eggs Increases Plasma Choline and Reduces Interleukin-6 without Modifying Plasma Cholesterol in Participants with Metabolic Syndrome (2020)"
OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE.......he's not be hyperbolic. He'll never respond to your comment anyways, gotta get him during a live-stream.
@@ddpwe5269 yeah, I hear you....let me know your thoughts on Attia's explanation of the Cholesterol pathway...just trying to square the two perspectives...
For the past year I have been reading up on the plant based diet. Diets suggested by Dr. Gregor and colleagues like T. Colin Cambell and Dr. Mcdougall. Within a couple weeks I felt younger, slept less, and had ridiculous energy. I did the research because many people close to me have passed with cancer, and cardio vascular disease. Sure I will admit that I love cheese and burgers, and I am also a foodie. If I go eat a large meat and cheese heavy sandwich I feel like crap all day. I have symptoms suggesting a heart related issue and when I eat fresh vegetables, cut out sugar and fat, I start to feel much better in days.
That being said my personal experience has been successful, but I can understand the general public is very uneducated on proper diet and health regimen. Keep in mind that most doctors have about 4 credit hours of actual dietary study in medical school. Unless you are food scientist you must consider that is you are going to challenge the status quo be prepared to lose funding or tenure. We have all been taught to eat like we will live forever, never once considering you are what you eat. Depending on where you live look around, observe the way people look. Look at the department store and see the amount of shelves stocked for larger people. Read a book and write down how many calories you eat, and consider not attaching emotion to food. As soon as I mention to someone I work with for example that the lunch I am watching them eat has so much fat and calories, I can see they are depressed because of their obesity. We were all raised by someone that may not have realized the food we eat is bad for us. Not to mention that it is suggested that commercial farming is the #1 cause of global warming, not your SUV or 10mpg vehicle making your social status acceptable in suburbia.
I'm confused there are so many people in the comments that wouldn't consider Dr. Gregor or others like him doing what is the right thing to do, help and heal. If I told you this new burger joint has the best food you would consider going to check it out without question, but if I told you a plant based diet has a high probability of adding years to your life, reducing your chance of disease and many other life threatening ailments, It is met with near complete resistance.
My suggestion is go to the website Nutritionfacts.org, do some research before condemning the science.
You might like Dr Esselstyn’s book, Prevent And Reverse Heart Disease, if you haven’t heard of it already.
It’s basically like Dr Gregor’s recommendations, except in addition to the whole food plant based, no salt sugar and oil, there is also the recommendation to cut out nuts and avocados. To get rid of more saturated fat. Dr Fuhrman has some good books too.
Thank you Dr. Greger!
Only around 5% of dietary colesterol make It into your blood. The problem is not cholesterol, is oxidized cholesterol. This happens because or ROS due to high glucose and fat levels on the blood. Yes, the more cholesterol in the blood, the more cholesterol that can get oxidized and stick to the walls, but the cause is not cholesterol, is the oxidation of. That's why high vegetables in diet are so importan: fibre slows down the intake of fats and sugars, antioxidants remove ROS. Saturated fats are the problem because they increase the synthesis of cholesterol in our body. But this applies to all saturated fats. So you should avoid saturated fats, simple sugars and too much fatty acids in generals. While statines have failed to ingrese mouse longevity, other drugs that decrease sugar levels had increase longevity in mice. Take out white rice, bread, pasta and other simple sugars and you arleady good to go even with high LDL in your Blood.
Rice and pasta aren't simple sugars. But those are:
-Anhydrous dextrose
-Brown sugar
-Confectioners powdered sugar
-Corn syrup
-High-fructose corn syrup (HCFS)
-Honey
-Maple syrup
-Molasses
-Agave nectar
-Raw sugar
And yes, bread is pretty unhealthy if not whole grain.
@@PySnek White rice is basicly starch with a high glucemic index and no fiber. Pasta is another story but have a high glucemic index nontheless
@@Hansulfpasta has a glycemic Index of 50
What a cliffhanger !!! I can’t wait for the next episode!!!
Thanks Doc! ❤
Thanks for information
What about apoB? How does that fit into the blood test picture?
Thanks for this info
Tons of nutrition experts in these comments...who needs dr greger ?
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I swear laypeople have all become nutritionist, virologist and constitutional professors
@@larryc1616 the smart ones have, it's obvious you cannot rely on healthcare for profit anymore, you are less than a number now
Motivational Interviewing about diet might help. Seems to work for other health behaviors.
Thanks for this video. I have friends who are still doing keto, insisting dietary has nothing to do with serum cholesterol levels, and I fear for them. Their assertion that french fries (with ketchup, of course) count as two veggies makes me cringe.
Anyone eating potatoes and ketchup isn’t doing keto.
They can believe whatever they want if they're not getting their cholesterol checked.
Funnily enough fries with ketchup aren’t keto but could be vegan. Not plant based and far from whole food lol
I have heard of clean vegan keto being useful for those with seizures and certain cancers but even then preferably under the supervision of a physician.
Keto...... I am so fed up with people falling for it. So dangerous.
How do you explain the study that shows people who lives longer than the average has a higher cholesterol level on dying from a heart attack? Because if cholesterol causes heart attack, would the ones with higher levels die earlier?
Hi, @filipinovegaslife70! I'm not sure what specific study you are asking about, but higher cholesterol levels would not necessarily mean that people would die earlier. There are many factors that determine how long a person lives. The bottom line is that they died from heart attacks. With lower cholesterol levels, they might have lived even longer, and eventually died of something else. This does not disprove that cholesterol causes heart attacks. You can find everything on our site related to cholesterol here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/cholesterol/ I hope that helps!
-Christine Kestner, MS, CNS, LDN, MPH, NutritionFacts.org Health Support Volunteer
You are 100% correct. There is no correlation between cholesterol and heart disease. Don’t fall for the lies of Ansel Keys
There is still a lot of controversy about statins even though they are proven to reduce cardiovascular risks. There does remain conflicting information about saturated fat. I've read that eating full fat yogurt or milk is just as healthy as nonfat as there isn't a clear mortality advantage to the lowfat choice. So there does remain some uncertainty out there. Being someone with a proclivity to metabolic syndrome, my prevention method of choice is strenuous exercise. I have read that even someone with high risk factors for heart disease can substantially improve their odds by improving VO2 max.
Merry Christmas Dr. Greger. Thank you for everything you do. God bless you.
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I'm so happy we haven't seen the Dr. Gregor avatar in a long time.
The ratios of Triglycerides, total cholesterol and HDL, as well as percentage of sdLDL are more reliable in predicting cardiac risk than just total cholesterol. Total cholesterol can be what you call "high", but as long as the ratios are good (high HDL, low triglycerides, low proportion of sdLDL) there is no need for concern.
As far as consuming cholesterol raising serum cholesterol, that is not the case for everyone.
I’m confused, how is chicken supposedly high in saturated fats when it’s a low fat meat. At least that’s what it says.
I hate to muddy the water any further. But Dr. Klaper says that having high cholesterol is meaningless if one is already on a well planned whole food plant based diet. He says cholesterol numbers are valid only for people on an average American diet of animal products (plus the obligatory excessive amounts of added salt, oil, and sugar). If Dr. Klaper is right, then heart disease is NOT as simple as having high cholesterol. So, is Dr. Klaper right?
he's not
@@thebetergede because you say so?
It is certainly a very controversial opinion. Perhaps what he means is that whole food vegan diet is a low inflammation diet and since some doctors believe that high cholesterol levels are not enough to cause CVD - only paired with inflammation markers out of the norm they become dangerous. Imho, it is hard to agree with such opinion since a strong correlation between CVD and cholesterol levels exists (dr. Esselstyn talks a lot about it backing his statements with statistics) and people genetically predisposed to extremely low levels of cholesterol have much lower risks of CVD than general population. Not to mention statin drugs, which have a lot of negative side effects but do lower cvd mortality by lowering cholesterol levels.
He sounds like a propagandist. We need less of that.
@@asdf9769 He’s not.
There are different types of LDL, the large buoyant type (not really harmful) and the very low density type (harmful). Should be taken into account as harmful oxidized cholesterol should be. Most cholesterol does not actually come from what you eat, your liver makes it.
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Love your videos - I've been WFPB 4 years - love it. I know that information can be spun to make anything sound plausible, but some carnivores out there sometimes profess things that sound - like - plausible. For example, a youtuber (BK), states that the reason why there is diabetes is not because the fat is not allowed in the cells, but the blood sugar content is high - Diabetes is too much blood sugar and not the fact that glucose can't enter the cell. He states that if consuming no sugars, starches of any kind, fat is not plugging up you cells, but the body is doing exactly what it is meant to do - cells are living off fat (ketones). It's hard to debate this when "we" say that glucose is not able to enter the cells, and they say that glucose is not supposed to enter "most" cells. (the little glucose that is needed for some cells is produced by the body). I think that it would be outstanding if you could enter into an online debate with this person. Oh and if you do, be prepared, all science out there is incorrect except for his science. I have to say some of his arguments sound "sound", but because I have researched WFPB for 10 years, I can pick up on the falsehoods he states, but there are many people out there who because they have not researched significantly, could possibly be misled by all the "spin-ery). I'd love to have you debate this person. I think that there are not enough debates out there anymore and the world and this platform would greatly benefit from such a debate. WHOSE WITH ME? Peace and love❤
Im with you :)
Me too. The energy produced by bodies burning fat is sub-par. It doesn't get enough glucose into brain cells. And all that crap about nuts being categorized the same way as animal fat boggles my mind. I eat a ton of healthy nuts every day and LDL is crazy low. My total cholesterol is 86. People criticize me for not eating meat. I also eat a ton of veggies, especially mushrooms which I always place outside in the sun gill side up before cooking(Vitamin D).
Cool idea, I never thought about mushroom and vitamin D after they were picked. It's so sad that so many people are being so misled. One can only hope that they will "come around" before it's to late. It is going to be interesting in the coming years to see what happens to all the WFPB advocates vs the Carnivore advocates over the coming years.@@donnazasgoat2274
Statins lower cholesterol but they don't improve mortality outcomes, how does that fit into the picture? Obviously cholesterol can form plaques but why does it form plaques sometimes and not other times?
Physionics has made biochemical videos about LDL
I think that bias can be also found on people/research/ willing to avoid animal based diets. I am just not sure that the only bias is found on those studies supported by egg or meat industries. Anyway, is not there a whole health/compassionate food industry also willing to make some profit? I am not against vegan or vegetarian diets, but I think we are still lacking neutral, not partialized research.
This is so confusing nowadays, for every research saying "A", there is another one saying "B".
insane how much conflicting info these pop up keto docs keep recycling
Conflicting?! You should grazing right now
Watch Dr Bergs what I eat in a day. It is worth it for the comedy value! He is so convincing if you came down on a ufo you would think he knew what he is talking about! He is a chiropractor! 🤣
@@thelvadam5269 the problem is that they appear to know what they're talking about by using scientific words, using diagrams and "teaching" although this is really just them presenting their own opinions rather than using the science. The reaskn why they've got so big is because, well, it's easy for people to fall for something when so many already have, they're all high fiving eachother whilst not understanding they're taking advice from a chiropractor who has dwindled everyone around him into creating a successful buisness built on deceit and dangerous misinformation. It's pretty saf actually, and i feel privelleged i've been there, tried keto, done that, and now onto the real stuff with plant based eating
It's just like the smoking issue, people don't want to hear bad things about their bad habits. In this case people have fallen for the big egg and big meat brainwashing.
Health care costs are out of control. Going vegan can save money, pain and suffering from disease.
Lower your chance of high blood pressure, heart disease and cancer by going vegan. Hospitals, doctors offices and schools should be places where good nutrition is taught and provided not places that contribute to disease and obesity. It is crazy the hospitals are feeding people the very food that caused the heart disease, high blood pressure or cancer that they are treating. Every person in the hospital should receive some nutrition education before being released. Every doctor visit should be an opportunity to educate patients about how food choices impacts their health outcomes. The fact that doctors do not get nutrition training as part of their training makes no sense. Medicare and Medicaid should require nutrition education as part of patient care. Focus should be on food choices.
Not just vegan but whole food vegan.
My husband eats almost nothing but the top high cholesterol foods yet last time his cholesterol was measured it was normal. How is this even possible? Does he digest cholesterol better? He doesn't eat after about 4 pm though because he'll get sick. I can't get him to stop. I told him he could get rid of his acne by quitting dairy and he did stop adding milk to his coffee, but that doesn't help when you're still eating cheese and pastries!
He said in the video at 1:18 about so called "normal"
That's the thing, it's not normal. The reason why is very concerning. Because so many people in a lot of countries have high levels of chol, doctors wrongly assume that's the baseline average levels and then call it "healthy".
Just like how most people don't meet their RDI of fibre according to the USDA, yet any doctor will think otherwise and be bewildered why their low carb patients are having bowel problems.
It's the same here. The docs were right, he probably had "normal" levels, he just doesn't have healthy levels. The two things are different.
And yet I am vegan for almost 9 years and my cholesterol is garbage 😂
I agree with you guys. Actually, last time my husband's was measured it was a bit lower than the normal dividing line. But I can't convince him to eat a plant-based diet if his doctor tells him he's fine and although a dozen years older than me, he's stronger and apparently healthier than I am. Of course there's the acne which he's had for over 50 years and the night sickness, which has stopped since he stopped eating dinner at his friends' house. Nurse practioner suggested fatty liver disease but doctor came in and said that he's fine.
My cholesterol was creeping up too but I realized that the processed foods that I sometimes ate had oil and even cholesterol in them. "Vegan" does not mean healthy and in fact can be very unhealthy.
2/3 of all the cholesterol is produced by the body itself. Just 1/3 comes from food. Maybe he's just producing a low amount.
Maybe it´s a consequence, not a direct cause. The cause is overeating, though undermoving also helps a great deal. CVD is a thing of the people that eat too much, not of the people that eat much too little (with the possible exception of heavy ultraprocessed eaters).
Wow I hope you don’t make decisions off your gut feeling often… I’d hate to be lost in the woods with you.
Why don't we look at the Glycocalyx Structure that sits on top of the Endothelial cells. If we stop the leaking, we would not have to worry about LDL
Would it be possible to do a video on how animal fat stores pesticides? Or the high concentrations of lead (and other toxins) found in organic bone broths? Truly appreciate all your hard work--thank you!
Beared suits you
My doctor warned me about my high cholesterol (just in normal for EU standards but much higher than it should be). I am 36, active, healthy bmi, vegan for 9 years (this week anniversary lol). The reason is simple: saturated fat, oils, pastry & high added sugar diet. Time to really sit down before arteriosclerosis and CVD totally destroys me (predisposed). Have higher blood pressure too(diastolic 82 permanently) I am literally in the same trap you all are in USA but just riding my vegan junkyard instead of SAD. Funnily enough I have all information here and yet I am dumb. One kale leaf doesn’t save me from beyond burger with fancy vegan cheese and yummy vegan mayonnaise.
There's just one way: Whole food without refined sugar, very low amount of oil. No alcohol, no smoking.
But I need fish and chicken. I can't stand tofu, beans or lentils. It's disgusting after a while and I have to fart non stop and everything's bloated.
@@PySnek Learn to cook it. And your gut will get used to more fibers, which is very important for your health.
One needs to know if they are hypo or hyper cholesterol absorbers. If in doubt then assume you are a hyper absorber and focus on reduction in the diet.
I'm never going to be comfortable with that "smell your breath up close introduction thing". Some body had to say it. Long time fan and follower, just commenting on style.
Glycated hemoglobin is also important, even if the cholesterol is normal.
Can you provide any research that shows cholesterol actually causes ACVD? Most of what you show proves that LDL is necessary but not sufficient. For example, people with familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) are more likely to get ACVD, but not all, only 30% or so. Why is that? If LDL was causal they should all get it. Low LDL genetic mutations show an absence of ACVD, so you can certainly conclude that LDL is necessary, I agree with that. But sufficient? Show me. My understanding is that inflammation and/or oxidation required too. Note also that most studies on FH are done in western countries, where lifestyle interacts with the high LDL. Does anyone have access to FH studies in native populations who are not sedentary? Or who do not consume sugar?
Water is causel linked to death by drowning and still most people don’t die because of it even if they consume it
Not sure about all "facts" in this video. The "Cholesterol controversy is over" paper, hereby cited is from 1989!!!!!!! Most arguments hereby seen are from mid 80s. I am not an expert but i do know that some bleeding edge research on the topic, differs on most statements in this video.
It would be very illuminating if cited papers where available in video description.
Like you say In the 1980's that was the same time that health expert Dr. Walter Willett admitted he told his patients to use shortening and margarine since it had no cholesterol or animal fat. What he forgot to tell people is that those 2 were made with partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil which was loaded with artificial industrial trans fats that cause heart disease. The FDA removed trans fats from the USA diet but not meat, eggs, fish or dairy. This is why they say doctor mistakes are the 3rd leading cause of death.
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Nah. Selective data. Can't take this seriously.
Yeah...well how do you lower ldl....i lowered my total cholesterol from 145 to 113 by low fat pb eating...but ldl remained at 70.
As far as I know, having an LDL at 70 is considered low and heart healthy. So good job, friend!
LDL of 70 mg/dl is actually a good score.
@@deshn21 well heart disease runs in my family...it needs to be around 50...but i dont want a statin. Thanks for your response though.
@@betzib8021 are you following Dr. Esselstyn’s Plant Perfect diet?
70 LDL is heart attack proof below 100.
I got rid of my glasses with diet and fasting. And the Bates method. And Dr Lorraine Days' Eye See CD.
This Dr is still on bad diet then? Lol
@@Mike_44 A good diet may not solve every problem for every person in every case. That includes Dr Greger and his glasses.
You must be trolling right meow. . .
@@jnnx lol
@@MindVersusMisery or rather the diet is aiding the body in addressing a complication, solving the problem and not the diet itself directly doing it. for any issues a diet itself directly solves, it's pretty universal.
And Dr. Berg, just released a video highlighting the harm due to low cholesterol.
Wonder where he gets that information from and the confidence with which he spreads that information.
Every cell in your body needs cholesterol so it is obvious that low cholesterol would be harmful. Dietary cholesterol plays only a small part in maintaining cholesterol levels, and you body if functioning correctly makes exactly the amount it needs and dumps any excess into the small intestines. ua-cam.com/video/GkWMDnTyxfo/v-deo.html
There's a study which has involved thousands of people, controlled, not the 🐂💩 of Ancel Keys, over 15 years long. Those with high cholesterol (an essential substance necessary for healing and reproducing new cells) lived in average 6 years more with less mental problems.
Doesn't matter whatever berg puts out, it was shown a long time ago he's had brands dump money into his pockets. Wouldn't put it past him to still engage in such things.
Our livers literally produce all of the cholesterol we need. You can get zero from diet, and still have healthy levels and won't drop below them.
Berg probably looking at strving people/vgans with liver problems, ignoring the fact they aren't a healthy example, and connecting that to why we should still get it from diet and no worry about unhealthy levels.
He gets it from many reliable studies.
yeah, most keto / clownivore doctors either completely make shit up without providing any sources (maybe an unverifiable anecdote, lol) or they use extremely poor evidence where it's also obvious they didn't go beyond the title or skimming the "conclusions" section
to me FH was the straw that broke the camel's back and ofc now the low carbers are trying to pretend it's not ApoB that causes CVD in FH but abnormal clotting.
Was dis video coordinated wit *dr berg* ?
What do You think?
@@betzib8021
Yes
Ehh. High cholesterol in the presence of health arterial walls is not likely to cause atherosclerosis. There has to be some injury to the arterial wall. If you infuse LDL into healthy mice to create a high LDL state would you get plaquing? Would be an interesting experiment.
I guess the problem is that a mice just doesn't live long enough to see plaquing like we do in human bodies. Nobody has a heart attack in their teens because of high LDL.
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Scientific consensus is not science. WE WANT MECHANISM.
I prefer carbs but evidence was never really clear when you have so many opinions instead of data and facts.
My Dr has told me that diet does NOT affect my Cholesterol.
@Han Boetes This is true for many people, and I'm one of them. Eating more or less cholesterol does not change my cholesterol levels. It's genetic.
Spoiler, it does.
Thank you as always Doc, you're saving lives.💚🥬
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Anyone have the link to the follow up video ? Edit:
Found it ua-cam.com/video/-C4OHOcptiE/v-deo.html
I can't see the purpose of the "we'll find out next" gimmick. IMO you are doing a disservice to the audience. People who are interested in a subject will sit through a longer video. All this does is make us more likely to miss the follow up video and less likely to share an incomplete one.
Wow a disservice for posting free videos… great point.
This is absurd. Then why is it that the longest-lived people have a total cholesterol between 210 and 239?
Under 150 is best?? Show me proof of this. Show me the longest-living people that have cholesterol under 150?
You are spreading false information. Actually under 150 is bad for longevity, DOC.
I listen to you and I'll die prematurely
There are no long lived healthy populations or cultures anywhere including Okinawa centenarians that have total cholesterol levels under 150 mg/dL.
@@beepbeepnj2658, that's precisely my point. However, this doctor claims in this video that we should get our total cholesterol under 150. But can't and did not show that this number will extend my healthy longevity.
ApoB is the best measure for cardiovascular disease, not LDL, as he claims
The answer is easy. Under age 50 total cholesterol should be under 200. That’s means you’re healthy with low inflammation and your won 20 years of live. Over 50 your cholesterol should be over 200 which predicts a long live because it inhibits cancer and other diseases.
@@Claude_van Hey Cosmo, I am fully aware of this. But someone would actually need to explain this to this doctor here.
I think that I am going to make a video and expose his dangerous misinformation. He speaks in absolutes as if his words are gospel.
Trying to convince people of this, they just won't have it. Their attachment to certain foods causes a serious case of cognitive bias.
This guy is talking completely different than 100 of the others.
I find the argument about what our ancestors ate irrelevant. Evolution doesn't care what your diet is as long as it sustains you until you get to reproduce twice and you protect your children long enough so they can too. So, as long as our ancestors lived past 40 evolution would have ticked along happily. I think there is enough evidence that all of our ancestors ate meat. I am more concerned with 'health span' into my 80s and 90s. This is where the Whole plant based diet is very important. Who cares what our ancestors ate it doesn't change the facts that plant based diets improve 'health span'.
Our ancestors died at 35 years. No wonder they didn't have a heart attack.
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Dr. Greger is the King of Cliffhangers. 🙂
My first step towards a carnivore diet was the vegan diet :) When your health fails remember to try eating only animal products for about a month and see if your health improves.
Your health will fail on a vegan diet if you eat a NON HEALTHY type. Your health will improve when going back to animal products .. .on a temporary basis. You might feel great while inside your body is accumulating damage.
Says every donut and french fry eating ex-vegan….
Hello. 63yo here thriving on WFPB diet for over 40 years.
Hate the suspense
The same as why the carnivore craze won't end. People believe what they want.
Carnivore craze? Did u pause to think over your comment. Carnivore is literally saving lives and you think people are crazy for doing something that makes them feel better
@kobbystrong9103 your comment is carnivore craze
@@kobbystrong9103 yes ,sure they might feel better because their body is in a keto state ,keep that diet 15 years and come back to tell us
There is a vascular surgeon in my hospital that tells his patients to go keto! I'm a physician a told him he will have plenty of redo stents to do, which he didn't like to hear.
Evolution tho, culture tho, taste tho, we need cholesterol tho, nutrient density tho, id10t tho
The liver and intestines make 80% of the cholesterol the body needs. The other 20% needed by the body can be provided by plant sources of cholesterol.
@@rozchristopherson648 Plant don't contain cholesterol. And the liver and intenstines make 100 % of the cholesterol the body needs.
@@MindVersusMisery Plants do contain cholesterol. You have not done your research. Approximately 85% of cholesterol for the body is produced by the liver. The intestines also contribute to total cholesterol requirements. Exact levels are determined genetically. Some people produce slightly less, some slightly more. One source of cholesterol in plants is found in certain plant oils such as Palm Oil, Coconut Oil, and Cottonseed Oil.
@@rozchristopherson648 Finally someone know the facts. ua-cam.com/video/GkWMDnTyxfo/v-deo.html
@@SkyRiver1 Thank you for this video.
After I removed all animal products from my diet, my cholesterol shot up. Go figure.
Because you started to eat many trans fat foods. Try a WFPB diet instead or just avoid coconut/trans fats.
Cool story bro
Watch Dr Bergs what I eat in a day.
It is worth it for the comedy value! He is so convincing if you came down on a ufo you would think he actually knew what he is talking about! He is a chiropractor! 🤣
Did you decide it might be a good idea to get a proper fit when you wear a face mask? Pandemic beards may be one of the stupidest ideas of recent years. And that's really saying something.
Liver makes cholesterol lol if you don't eat enough your liver will make more
Gonna grab me a Ribeye
"Does eating cholesterol actually raise blood cholesterol?" You just spent 5 minutes showing studies proving it does.
Oddly enough the Maasai had very low cholesterol levels of around 140 mg/dL on a mostly animal based diet. And people with gum disease have much higher rates of heart attack no matter what diet they are consuming. What foods cause dental disease? Think about it.
Low cholesterol maybe, but extensive atherosclerosis. It turns out that on autopsy they had extensive plaque in their arteries. I will post a link.
Lol heart disease normally strikes people in their 50’s the Maasai don’t live long enough to die of heart attack.
LDL is what reall matters, not total cholesterol lvl.
@@HealthAndHomestead What was their age at autopsy and what did they actually die of accidents, contaminated water, cholera or from low cholesterol levels?
@@Julottt The Maasai had low LDL cholesterol levels and spent a lifetime of being super fit with a BMI of 19-21 and consuming no junk food.
Because LDL cholesterol doesn’t cause heart attacks, APO-B does and LDL is just a marker for APO-B.
Yes but the larger point I think is people need not worry about all the subfractions. If they simply focus on diets that lower LDL, they effectively lower risk.
Cholesterol causes the bleed, that causes the clot, that causes the heart attack.
@@Joseph1NJ This is not true. Dietary cholesterol is not responsible for most serum cholesterol
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@@SkyRiver1 Did you not watch that video? I saw this when it came out. Watch it again, especially at the end. You've misinterpreted what he said.
@@Joseph1NJ He obviously said exactly what I paraphrased, in fact he said it more than once, but given time I will watch it again. As far as I can tell it is the best explanation I have come across.
Why should the amount of cholesterol in the blood determine whether or not atherosclerosis takes place? A cholesterol level of 210 is considered high. Let's say you lower it by a third to 140. So what? Why wouldn't that still provide plenty of cholesterol to feed the plaques? Think about the reasoning involved. It is that plaque formation is a numbers game, that if you get your cholesterol low enough, that the pathological depositing of cholesterol into arterial walls won't happen, even though cholesterol is still amply present. The implication is that it's the concentration of cholesterol in the blood that determines the whole process. But, that is surely not true. I do blood tests on people who are fasting, and cholesterol rises precipitously on a fast Total cholesterol can easily rise above 300! And yet very positive changes take place during fasting, including the reversal of heart disease. I've seen some amazing things in my day, such as a person with intermittent claudication who could barely walk without getting leg pain being able to walk normally after two weeks of fasting. So, that improvement, that reversal of pathology happens while blood cholesterol is sky high! We need to be smarter than this. This is very much caveman thinking. Instead of "fire bad" it's "cholesterol bad."
i think you misunderstood the video, it is food causing cholesterol that is harmful. not cholesterol in it self.
@@sudd3660 No, you are mistaken. The message is that cholesterol itself is harmful. And that's why billions of dollars are spent every year to lower it with drugs. It is very clear that Dr. Greger believes that cholesterol, itself, is harmful
@@sudd3660 there are evidences that some people do not experience an increase in LDL through food. A high LDL is a high LDL regardless through food or fasting. The main point is that does high LDL "the true cause" of CHD/CVD?
“Clearly shows a plant based diet was the traditional diet of our distant ancestors” 🤣🤣🤡 made me crack UP! Apparently they haven’t talked to a single anthropologist or seen a cave painting before coming to that conclusion…
Plant-based. That doesn’t exclude meat dummy. Get your facts straight before trolling.
@@pearljam_1 First of all Merry Christmas! Secondly, the diets of our ancestors were definitely not “plant based” the majority of calories had to come from fatty meat or they would literally starve to death. Traditional plants were very fiberous with very little starch or sugar available for digestion. Everything in the supermarket today has been cross-bred and genetically modified to be non toxic and energy dense. Go out in nature and try to survive without eating mostly animals. It’s impossible. You’ve been misled as to what the wild truly is like.
There is controversy because the saturated-fat-loving low-carbers want to believe that the high cholesterol caused by the foods they love is not going to kill them.
R.I.P. Joe Rogan
All this dancing around of low carb, paleo and keto people saying eating lots of saturated fats is ok and high cholesterol is not a factor of heart disease is just pathetic.
Why do people use statins when niacin is way better???
Also treats anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, ADHD with the correct doses and makes you live longer! Plus it is cheap.
Well worth researching.
Could you do a video on that please Dr Gregor?
Thankyou for all that you do!!!! 🙏💚
And what foods are highest in Niacin that will prevent all those problems you listed?
@@StanDupp6371 Look at the work of Andrew Saul and Abram Hoffer who won a nobel prize for his work and lived to 93.
You have to take quite large doses for it to work, it is orthomolecular medicine. People take up to 3 grams for Schizophrenia.
You have to look into what dosage is right for you. Some practitioners prescribe up to 8 grams and there was a case of a lady who took 30!
There is a book called niacin the real story and a website called doctor yourself with plenty of information on it.
All I can say is I worked up to 500mg a night and it crushed my manic bipolar symptoms. Lots of scientific evidence and anecdotal reports.
Merck tried to undermine niacin for good reason. It lowers bad cholesterol and raises good better than statins. They tried to make out it causes liver damage but it was the drug they added to it to stop the flushing in a study they did. I mean who woukd trust Merck anyway!
You will get what they call a niacin flush the first few times you use it in doses above 50mg, but its a small price to pay for the positive benefits. This goes away and some people actually enjoy the flush.
(You have to use the flush variety for the benefit.)
@@StanDupp6371 Mushrooms are one of the best vegetable sources of niacin, providing 2.5 mg per cup. Nowhere near enough for therapeutic benefits.
@@bbybeatboxx Mushrooms are fungi not a vegetable.
@@StanDupp6371 I thought you asked what foods.
Six years in vegan diet don't get me wrong I love it I did it for healthy reasons in those years my total cholesterol was 129
HDL 27
LDL 88
Triglyceride 77.
I did exercise and consuming walnuts, almonds, brasil nuts, pistachios, pumpkin seeds etc my cholesterol was the same.
In April this year I switched overnight to carnivor and I feel great after six months my total cholesterol 225
HDL 86
LDL 160
Triglyceride 34.
Explain my Hdl and Triglyceride.
Commiserations, you poor fool.
Vegan is not a diet. Veganism is a ethical stance against the unnecessary exploitation and murder of animals.
@@thegratefulsteve Call it the way you want it. Plant base perhaps my motivation was explained in comparison with the title of the video
You have very low floating fats (trig) in your blood because your LDL and HDL are so high. They are the shuttles that move the fats. It's not a mystery. The trigs are riding on the LDL and HDL.
But it's about ratios these days, not raw numbers. If your LDLs are the big buoyant ones, you have no risk of heart disease anyway. Inflammation is the problem. Even high LDL is not a problem if you have low to no inflammation. And that's usually caused by processed crappy carbs.
Your biggest threat is not likely to be heart disease, it'll be colon cancer. Enjoy your steaks!
None of this numbers are good. Switch back and save your life. Only a fool could eat carn when ALL the data shows it’s a joke at best
That is not the scientific consensus by any stretch.
It’s not?
This clown is completely misleading and misdirecting people. First he mentions nothing about how the studies are conducted. Second, he doesn't diffentiate between native ldl and oxidized/glycated ldl( oxidized ldl is the problem and that comes from inflammation from sugar , seed oils, mouth breathing etc. (anything that causes inflammation) Third, vitamin k2 which is found in animal products has a direct relationship with lowering calcium in blood vessels. Calcium in blood vessels causes calcification. As little as 10 micrograms of k2 has a 9% reduction in calcification. Don't be swayed by plant based propaganda. Also we've been eating meat for over a million years. Why has it only recently caused problems?
As recently as the 1900s a chicken might feed a family of 4 for a whole week. So we actually ate very little meat in the grand scheme of things despite what we're led to believe.
@Lynn Ritchie With all due respect, what does that have to do with misleading people about heart disease? Heart disease is caused by chronic inflammation, cellular stress, chronic dehydration and chronic cellular acidity. That's it. Not cholesterol. But if you want to believe inept observational studies where they give someone a questionnaire and ask them what they ate, that's your business. I'm going to eat what was put on this planet: Meat, animal products and fruits and vegetables.
Ketogenic shyte must be banned.
Gfo! Really?! 🤣🤣🤣 plant choppers
All diets besides a high carb whole foods plant based one should not be allowed
This is another video where the ignorant is “educating” the uninformed
Everything is easy: before of vege era(oils, margarine, etc) , heart problems and obesity were an extremely rare. Go back to golden era, the one with a lot of animal products!
Eat your eggs. The more the better.
Well, if I had a high cholesterol before and went WFPB to under 150, having removed all animal products........nahhh, it can't be the animal products I removed =P
The controversy is still not over. Every other day a new study comes out declaring that cholesterol is good for you and it's best to eat meat, eggs and dairy.
well, those people are not normal, just look at them. same as trump voters, or that liver king.
show some character discernment please.
@@sudd3660 I am a vegan trump voter, so just stop :)
Animal products are profitable, and karma..
It’s well understood in lipidology that dietary cholesterol has nearly no effect on serum cholesterol unless you have rare and specific genetic disorders. The forthcoming propaganda to the contrary will be cherry picked low quality studies provided without proper context, as always.
That's interesting. I've been looking for an extra source of nutrition info besides nutritionfacts, to be able to better fact check. Do you have a source that you like?
My god...what school of lipidology did YOU go to. That statement is hilarious! I can drive my cholesterol up or down by 30 points at will...just by managing saturated fat intake. It changes dramatcally in just a few weeks. Other people do this too. Maybe you attended lipidology classes on another planet.
@@lucbrinkman9709 Here ya go:
The effect of dietary cholesterol on blood cholesterol & individual variability | Dr. Tom Dayspring
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The cause is saturated fat, high cholesterol and TMAO from animal protein.
absolutely....just like firemen cause fires. riiiight.....
Luckily, I avoided the jabs...
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I don't have them either but there is nothing wrong with them
Those poor eskimos who eat just whale blubber… wait, they live longer than most in the US.
No, they dont live longer.
I dont know if this info is true but probably If they could eat vegetables instead of animal fat they would live even longer. There are a mount of others risk factors for desases.
What are the average life expectancies of Inuits and Americans?
No, no they don’t. Same for Nordic and Scandinavian countries who USED TO eat high fat diets.
_Life expectancy was substantially and consistently shorter for First Nations, Métis and Inuit household populations compared with the non-Indigenous household population across all time periods. In 2011, life expectancy at age 1 for the male household population was 72.5 years for First Nations, 76.9 years for Métis, 70.0 years for Inuit and 81.4 years for non-Indigenous people. Among the female household population, life expectancy at age 1 was 77.7 years for First Nations, 82.3 years for Métis, 76.1 years for Inuit and 87.3 for non-Indigenous people._
- Life expectancy of First Nations, Métis and Inuit household populations in Canada, Michael Tjepkema, Tracey Bushnik and Evelyne Bougie
Draw your conclusions. If that's not enough, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the average lifespan for men in the United States is about 76 years, and for women it is about 81 years. The average lifespan for indigenous people in the United States is about 74 years for men and 78 years for women.
What now, Mr. whale-blubber-lover?
you know what would have been nice is if the good doctor would have explained the actual mechanics of HOW cholesterol caused the heart disease instead of citing quotes post conclusions.
He can't explain it because cholesterol does not cause cardiovascular disease.
@@LisaCulton you vs scientific studies. Tough choice….
@@pearljam_1I mean lets be real we can't just swallow whats handed to us just because some studies say so. we still need to be critical. Im actually a fan of Dr. Gregor been following him for years now because Im 100% plant based. But I have to question WHY when going to all that trouble to cite the studies that are all in line with the same conclusion that not even a cursory explanation of the direct causal link between cholesterol and heart disease.
@@redpillpusher it’s not just “some studies”. It’s literally thousands, spanning decades - showing causality.
@@pearljam_1 can you point me to a single random controlled study showing causality?