As an owner of a local mountain bike shop who constantly sets up bike suspension, I have to say these videos are VERY entertaining to watch. The comedy within takes the serious out and puts the fun back into setup. Good shit, Otter. Remember folks, "Good is Fine"
FYI. You don't want to bottom out in other than EXTREME cases. Bottoming out is not a goal - it is a consequence of a HUGE drop or equally huge FuckUp. Aslo - fast rebound = grip. There is ofc too fast if you also run a stiff airspring. Also - The more compression you run the fast rebound you can run and it will not buck on jumps and not dive in corners.
Hey thanks for comment friendly talk here. Are you experienced with these progressive fork types? Then kinda bend the rules. Example the DVO 38 has 5 clicks of LSC. The team there told me you don’t need much more than that or your doing something wrong. I would agree Personally I never clicked more than 5 clicks of lsc ever. Also considering range of the compression adjustment, never used much . I would except a fork to bottom out if you run it off a 5 foot huck to flat with heavy landing, like I did in video. Example Zeb and Super z , I don’t need to add hsc the fork stays super high in travel. Open your ideas on it for more information
@@OtterMTBtech I have have tried the Fox 38, Mezzer (37 but still) and a few rides on the Zeb Ultimate and I feel that the 38 rides low and the Zeb is not super plush (hence the buttercups "upgrade"). When it comes to my comment on LSC/rebound it is a setup question. If you want the plushest ride out there - it is not a setup you would like. but if you want a stable chassis and a LOT of grip - it is a great one. So for going fast for a rider that generates a lot of force - the setup works a charm. If you like plushness and dont mind the chassis rocking back and forth while in steeps, heavy on the brakes or going through compressions less high and low speed is for you. My take on suspension is that you want stability and, most of all, predictability so for me NOT using all the travel on a 5 foot to flat is a no brainer. I wouldnt want to have a bottom out when going 12 miles per hour (which is the vertical speed from a 5ft free fall). What happens when you hit something at speed? You fly through all the suspension and hit a wall of bottom out with a VERY compromised geometry and weight distribution. Predictable? Perhaps. Scenario you want to find yourself in when going fast? Most likely no.
38's market niche gets more and more crowded, thanks for reviewing this new, exciting stuff. BTW: What is the axle to crown distance for Super Z? Can't find it anywhere...
As an owner of a local mountain bike shop who constantly sets up bike suspension, I have to say these videos are VERY entertaining to watch. The comedy within takes the serious out and puts the fun back into setup. Good shit, Otter. Remember folks, "Good is Fine"
I bought the tusk shock pump awhile ago it's a bit pricey but it lived through a hell of a life, extremely satisfied...
Thanks to your videos, me and my friends now having best dialed suspensions. Big thank you from lithuanian riders 🤜🤛
Great to hear!
Love your videos and as a fellow Kenevo owner I am paying a lot of attention to your content.
Suntour coil and DvO 38 is best suspension I put on the bike, except the dual crown in downhill trails
@@OtterMTBtech Wow, thanks! That is just what I was looking for. You like the suntour over the bomber rear shock?
Coil for sure, but also grey area putting coil on the bike
Another excellent video! Cheers!
Thanks again!
FYI. You don't want to bottom out in other than EXTREME cases. Bottoming out is not a goal - it is a consequence of a HUGE drop or equally huge FuckUp.
Aslo - fast rebound = grip. There is ofc too fast if you also run a stiff airspring.
Also - The more compression you run the fast rebound you can run and it will not buck on jumps and not dive in corners.
Hey thanks for comment friendly talk here. Are you experienced with these progressive fork types?
Then kinda bend the rules. Example the DVO 38 has 5 clicks of LSC. The team there told me you don’t need much more than that or your doing something wrong.
I would agree
Personally I never clicked more than 5 clicks of lsc ever. Also considering range of the compression adjustment, never used much .
I would except a fork to bottom out if you run it off a 5 foot huck to flat with heavy landing, like I did in video.
Example Zeb and Super z , I don’t need to add hsc the fork stays super high in travel.
Open your ideas on it for more information
@@OtterMTBtech I have have tried the Fox 38, Mezzer (37 but still) and a few rides on the Zeb Ultimate and I feel that the 38 rides low and the Zeb is not super plush (hence the buttercups "upgrade").
When it comes to my comment on LSC/rebound it is a setup question. If you want the plushest ride out there - it is not a setup you would like. but if you want a stable chassis and a LOT of grip - it is a great one. So for going fast for a rider that generates a lot of force - the setup works a charm.
If you like plushness and dont mind the chassis rocking back and forth while in steeps, heavy on the brakes or going through compressions less high and low speed is for you.
My take on suspension is that you want stability and, most of all, predictability so for me NOT using all the travel on a 5 foot to flat is a no brainer.
I wouldnt want to have a bottom out when going 12 miles per hour (which is the vertical speed from a 5ft free fall). What happens when you hit something at speed? You fly through all the suspension and hit a wall of bottom out with a VERY compromised geometry and weight distribution.
Predictable? Perhaps.
Scenario you want to find yourself in when going fast? Most likely no.
You should review the new Bomber z1 36!
I’m digging on it now
38's market niche gets more and more crowded, thanks for reviewing this new, exciting stuff. BTW: What is the axle to crown distance for Super Z? Can't find it anywhere...
It’s 23.5 inches and the 38 is 23 1/4 inch
@@OtterMTBtech thanks a lot!
Is it just for the audience or why don't just use the Shockwiz?
My wiz broke from over use
Maybe it might be that not everyone has 350$ of spare cash laying around.
Can someone explain to me what a dead suspension fork is?
The big forks 38mm forks will pack down feel harsh aka dead
So you'd recommend no tokens in a bomber 58 as well?
I haven’t rode that air spring. So can’t say yes or no.
Is there going to be a coil version of this fork?
Definitely not from them, but aftermarket yes