Fox Float DPS 140mm with a firmer retuned damper because I'm 220lbs. I'm really glad you brought out tuning a shock. I don't think most heavy riders realize they can have the shock retuned. It makes a huge difference. The upgrade is worth it!
I love the performance of the X2 but don't like that both of the shocks that I've owned started squelching after a few months. And they're really complicated to service, so you need to send them out. I like to do my own maintenance so I decided to go with DVO.
I run the fox x2 and love it, but am eager to move to the dhx2 soon. Would you guys do a comparison video on the dhx2 2020 and the roxshoxs coil? That would help me with my search
Not sure about the internal differences of the Super Deluxe vs. the Super Deluxe Coil, but if they're as similar as the Float X2 and DHX2, the DHX2 and Super Deluxe Coil should have more or less the same differences as shown in the video, besides the air spring differences of course.
Agree with your assessment. I do find the X2 to offer better pedaling support in the open mode. One of the better things about the Rockshox is that is easier to perform some basic maintenance at home, which makes it more affordable to own.
I would also like to add that as a very light rider I have had experiences where more fine-tuning on a shock would be very beneficial to my riding. I have also heard this from multiple other very light riders. This might be something you want to take into account.
@@hannes6114 about 140 with gear, but since I’m tall I ride larger frame bikes. The downhill bike I rode for a while had a shock with compression adjustment that I could only utilize the bottom 2 clicks of, since it came tuned for a larger rider.
I'm about 56 kg or 123 lbs and I've done some research on this and it seems quite correct. I can only ride my Deluxe Select+ at the fastest rebound, same for my Recon fork. I would like to have a couple more clicks to go faster, ie, the fastest rebound being faster than currently. Also, I use low pressures but I had to seg my sag at no more than 25% because I was bottoming it out a lot with more intense riding, and I feel suspension bobs a lot on pedalling as well. It may as well be the kinematics of the Polygon Siskiu D7, but I am currently looking forward to doing a custom tune on shock and fork to see if it improves.
Exactly. I mean like... tracktiony, poppy, consistend, complient, supportive, progresive, linier, responsive, stable, squishy, firm. Just tell me was it good or nah damn it.
Haha many people won't, however every time we make a more simplified comparison video then we get a million comments asking us why we don't get more into the techy nerdy side of the components. So it's tough to keep everyone happy but we try our best! 😎
I rode Fox suspension on a 2011 GT Sensor 1.0 for years and never had to touch it...no oil or air leaks, it just worked. My 2020 Revel Rascal came with Rockshox and it's been nothing but a PITA. The fork leaked oil in the first few months, had to have my LBS fix it, and now the "deluxe" shock is leaking air. I have to refill it every time I ride, and during the ride! Haven't even had the bike for a year. I'm 55 years old, not a downhill balls to the wall enduro rider. I'm switching to Fox and getting rid of this Rockshox crap. Love the Rascal, great bike!
The new tune on the super deluxe on the new 5010 is amazing. Both are great shocks though. Most people dont bother with tuning their shocks to fit their bikes and riding style/weight. If you already have a shock try having it properly serviced and tuned first before you buy a new one.
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 why dentist? do dentists make a lot of money in the US? I've lived in several countries and mostly they make an average income, and sometimes they are even below average. to be honest, it is not too hard to do dentistry, i have a few friends that are dentists, it's like craftsmanship
@@ricardog4459 in Canada dentists make on average 140k a year (i live in canada) in US it's around 180k a year (on average again of course) Dentists get more free time then normal doctors so that's why we say dentist They have the most free time with the most money made on average so people say they're dentists when they have really nice bikes even though they just ride for fun
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 ah I see. wow that's crazy money for something not thaaat hard to do or learn. not saying it is peanuts, but it's by no means rocket science. here in europe you pay around 80e for first visit, maybe 40-60 on a yearly check. In latin america it's half that or even less. but usually people pay that money themselves, there is no insurance for it. that's why it's not that expensive, otherwise people would only pay emergencies lol in any case, i think most guys can take a summer/winter job, save money 1 or 2 years, and buy quite a nice bike. Personally, I bought the frame new, and I am planning to buy all the components second handed. i did the reckoning and it's much cheaper. people sell the parts they upgrade for less than half here, and in very good state. but you need to be veeery patient, i hope i can finish the bike in a year... lol
I didn’t find setup of the X2 very difficult. Maxed out the air volume spacers because my bike has a regressive leverage curve, set the pressure to give me roughly 20% sag then set high/low speed compression/rebound knobs within the suggested range. Set high-speed rebound at the top of the suggested range (slower rebound) for jumping. Worked great for me and it was a huge performance improvement.
I have a '20 Scout with a '20 X2 and after months of not being able to get the suspension feeling good, I decided to just try setting the HSC and LSC fully opened and then fully closed. I noticed no difference at all. This also coincides with not noticing any difference with the climb switch. I sent it in to Fox who determined there was a problem with the shock and replaced both the compression and rebound circuits. When I got the shock back I noticed that the rebound had way more adjustability to it, but the compression feels the same, no difference from fully opened to fully closed. I contacted fox again and they said they put it on the dyno and determined the compression was fixed and noticed a difference in the settings. Im kind of at a loss here bc no matter what changes I make the shock feels mushly and seems to blow through its travel. For all the X2 owners at there - have you ever tried going from fully opened to fully closed and if so, can you tell a difference? Im trying to determine if this is by design or the shock is still actually bad
Ouch. Yes even a few clicks makes a massive difference with rebound. For LSC it would make a huge difference in traction and feel. Sounds like your sag point may not be dialed? Have you tried adding the orange volume reducers in the shock? You can probably do it with the shock installed on the bike.
Mike S. My sag is within the acceptable range that Transition lists. I’ve tried at the bottom end and the top end of the range too. no change in compression. It’s always the same no matter fully open or closed
atom631 Sounds broke to me. HSC should help with bottom out support, but most often bottom out control is done through spacers in the shock. Just load them up if they aren’t already. Honestly though you probably are on to something. If I turn the compression dials all the way it completely changes the feel of the shock and is immediately noticeable. Good luck
Tyler Wolstenholme you have a 2020 X2? There has to be something wrong with my shock. I’ve let a few people do the test on it any everyone agrees. But fox is saying there’s nothing wrong
I think the Meg Neg can is genius and a great tool to have available. I over-forked my bike and the Meg Neg helped get the rear have a softer initial stroke to balance the front changes. I would love a rockshox shock that omits the lockout for HSC adjustment. Rockshox has spoilt us with easy to use HSC on their fork cartridges and now it’s time to give us that on the rear of the bike. The deluxe rebound adjustments could use a few more clicks range. Perhaps 10-12 instead of the 7 clicks that mine has. I like that your review does point out how useful the Meg Neg can be changing the spring curve and midstroke support: a key advantage. Great videos guys! I watch all of them! Having said that, I have always lusted after the Fox X2 the most!
Either would be sick! Currently running 2018 Superdeluxe RC3 and absolutely love the shock. Feels like it’s 100% dailed after trying a few different volume spacer and pressure combos. Settled on 190psi with a 2.5 gnardog spacer. (6’3”, I weigh 185-190) felt like it was the best happy medium for both small bump/grip and pop/support but .....you know only the X2 can be 100%...... 🤣
I have the super deluxe (not ultimate) with the meg neg. I hated that shock at first, but the meg neg made such a difference that I actually enjoy how the shock feels now.
@@trailladymtb7700 very easy to install, although I didn't have a press to push out the bushings, a soft mallet hammer worked good for me. Had to remove the bushing in the lower to allow the air can to be removed.
dude your reviews are awesome and really well done! you missed nothing! Would sooo love to see you do your thing on that transition bike in the video! ;)
MY21-23 did have durability issues which have since been fixed with a big revision in MY24 and MY25 shocks. The MY24/25 shocks have been incredibly reliable 🤘
I really dig the videos. Always so informative. Have you done a video on how to install a larger Meg Neg can on the Rock Shox and what riders can benefit from it? That DaVinci is sweet. You always have nice bikes. Thanks for the detailed video. Happy Trails!
Right now I have a Super Deluxe Select+ and I'm pretty sure at 245 riding weight im outside the compression tune. Im thinking about grabbing a take-off Float X2 from an ebike or something to get a firmer compression tune and more adjustability.
Just take the time to learn suspension. Know what HSR,LSR,HSC,LSC and sag does. Keep a log book with all your settings and location, then write in a brief description of your ride as soon as your finished. You’ll be amazed at how much of a difference it makes when you actually know what your suspension is doing and how to correct it vs guessing.
I think it's kinda weird that nobody ever talks about maintanance of these things. A full service on a RockShox shock is super easy and you can get all the replacements parts, while with Fox you're having a hard time getting them. Furthermore RS replacement seals etc. i a third of the price when compared to fox. Im Riding a super deluxe simply because I can do a full service in no time just with a couple of tools, that i have in the back of my car. With Fox you almost always have to send it in - These days you're lucky if you get it back within 6 weeks.
I would have to go with the X2 nothing wrong with Rock Shox but l have found in the past RS seem to blow through the travel far to quick were as the Fox kit seems to over a lot more support
couldnt agree more with the conclusion. i currently have the super deluxe with the megneg installed in my 2021 enduro and it feels great but not that 100% amazing feeling of a float x2. considering an upgrade but it really isnt much between em!
Even before watching the review, Rochshox FOR SURE. The X2 has a known flaw that lets air mix with oil at a very early stage, sometimes with as little as a month or less of use. Fox is finally repairing some under warranty but for the longest, they would not admit fault. This is like the RockShox Reverb seat post, nothing but a glorified paper weight.
Mine has cavitation too. Have you got written proof of waft fox gas said? My local are saying it’s just wear n tear and I needed a service anyway so would be nice to have some office documentation to show them
Sweet vid Mike. Would have been interesting to see you talk about serviceability. X2 requires the damper to be disassembled to do a 50 hour air can service(send it in to fox/shop) where this is not the case with a DPX2 or super deluxe.
I have the super deluxe on the DH commencal furious and it rides almost like a coil but the weight is nice. I did upgrade to the megneg and that really helped the ramp up. I do wish I could adjust the spacers trail side though like the x2.
I completely agree. It would be nice to see reviews of other vendors besides the big boys. Lots of small companies with great products but lack the marketing budget to compensate internet influencers. The DVO Topaz is a great rear shock. Also, how about 1UpUSA as the best bike rack but because they are 100% consumer direct, no bike shop of online store will promote them.
John Panozzo dude what an amazing point about 1up. Also he should do ride formula suspension also. I recently just signed with DVO suspension and I’m enjoying every moment of it!
I actually had this dilemma a while back and went with the Super Deluxe because of the cost. I don't regret that decision because (as a very average rider) I don't think I would notice the difference. I'd say the X2 is only for pro's or extremely keen amateurs who want the best thing out there, but most normal people looking for a high end shock will be very satisfied with the Super Deluxe.
I've had 4 Fox x2 and it's very good and had one Rockshox and its ok works ok if your not a fiddler for people don't understand how to get the best out of the suspension.
My 2 cents. If your buying a new shock get the float x2 (unless it’s just too far out of budget) as it can become any shock and it’s damping curves can be tuned to whatever you like. If your bike came with an X2 then your already good to go. The third scenario is the one I don’t understand is people who’s bikes come with the Super Deluxe and they don’t like it then go and buy a Float X2. There are some traits in the super deluxe that just can not be externally tuned out such as it’s digressive compression damping curve and this is where you send it to people like Vorsprung and now it is tuned as your shock for you and what your after. This is a much cheaper option and the end result is very good.
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air or coil. I run the coil version when I'm riding in southern Utah, and the air version when riding in northern Utah. Mainly just to save weight.
Went to rock shock on my new bike because Fox wasn’t available due to covid, and now I don’t think I will be going back. The Sid ultimate is like a magic carpet ride.
I’m probably in the category that likes to set up quickly with less mucking about , probably why I favour super deluxe with megneg, 2 or 3 rides and I’ve got it running sweet
Ivgot both.. On the dh canyon the fox.. On the yt decoy the ultimate. And I like both. And it is all true what he said! Fox sometimes complicated till u found ur set up.. Rs so easy smooth, poppy and good
I got a factory X2 on my second hand ripmo frame, REALLY not looking forward to tuning it, only had rockshox till now and apart from the reliability issues ive enjoyed the easy setup and adjustments.
I’ve always liked the K coating on high end Fox. It allows you to clearly see the stroke section for cleaning and maintenance/wear. Great enthusiastic review thanks. Doc
Had RS for all my bikes until I recently switched over to Fox. Has over 60 hours of riding yet no stiction. RS tends to decrease in performance after 20 hours of ride time. FOX ALL DAY!!!
Dnm rcp2 would still be a better value imo. A nice entry level coil shock that doesnt require that finicky maintenance and still offers decent performance. With both compression and rebound adjustments (aside from swapping the coil ofc)
Always love your videos Mike. Eagerly awaiting and order from you guys, which again, were parts you had that no one else did. How you liking that Devinci?
Haha thanks for your order! We're doing our best to keep the shelves stocked with all the goodies during this craziness. I love the Devinci! It does everything very well and it's been my favorite bike of the past several years for sure.
How big is the difference to Float DPS? (Other than 2x price tag) Sometimes it feels the slightly lower end models are better for some beginners. One compression knob and one rebound knob.
The Dps is meant for trail riding and it comes in shorter travel and has less compression and rebound adjustability while the X2 is made for enduro or downhill riding so it comes in longer travel versions and it is more tunable with 16 clicks of low speed compression and rebound and 8 clicks of high speed compression and rebound. The X2 is better for big hits and rough trails
I went from a DPS to and X2 on a 160mm travel bike. And I think that's where people will feel the difference. On a shorter travel bike, maybe not so much. The X2 was instantly much more supple and smooth, and of course, can take a hit.
Some people love the fox look and coating. Thats the reason to lose cash for coolness, they think. So more money payed will let em ride better ^^ my winner since years is the performance of my super deluxe 3 positions shock!
That's what I was thinking too. But the vivid air has never got any attention and it seems like even rockshox has forgot that it exists... Older style stickers, never went through any revisions from 2017 when it came out... It would be nice if they renewed it with new technologies and maybe a new name. (Super DHluxe?)
I have the Rockshok Deluxe on my Santa Cruz Hightower 2021, but I’m putting the Meg neg on it as soon as I get it. Also thinking of purchasing the cascade assembly linkage. What do you think of this linkage; have you tried it? And do you sell it?
Santa Cruz spend millions on R@D on there suspension alone, putting that thing on it would probably just give you more travel and thats it! If you want that little extra travel IMHO go for it, but for me that explanation from Cascade about what there linkage can do for you and your bike, is worth as much as their explanation of what does not do ... Did my home work and just decided to go megneg, I am putting one on as I write this. In a nut shell, my 2 cent opinion is that, it is wiser to upgrade my shock than spend $350 (shipped cascade) for a linkage that may or may not do anything for me.
Wrong choice my friend. You don't need a meg-neg for the Float X2 as it already has negative volume spacers you can adjust the beginning of the stroke with. The SD is also an outdated design and an utter POS.
My brand new Fox X2 failed after one ride, so RockShox all the way. Fox promised me a 4 day turnaround and have now had the shock for 6 weeks. Every time I call, I just get the same line... we are waiting for parts and have no update. Fox keeps releasing this shock even though this is a known issue.
Hey Andrew, really sorry to hear about that! Please know that it's not super common for something like this to happen, and also it could happen to any shock. Dealing with service or warranty can always take a while in the Spring and Summer since everyone's hoping to get their suspension serviced for the season. Right now is even crazier because companies physically can't get parts for certain things. All in all, that's no fun for riders to deal with, but they're definitely trying their best. There are currently no known/recurring issues with the X2 that we know of. This is our #1 best selling shock, and most of us at the shop ride it on our personal bikes. If it's made by humans it can't be perfect, and issues do pop up here and there with all products from both the bike industry and all others. Feel free to shoot us an email to sales@thelostco.com to let us know what's going out with Fox's long wait time to fix your shop and we'll try to figure out any way we can help speed things up! No guarantees, but it's worth a shot!
@@TheLostCo Thank you, I appreciate it. When I went by my local bike shop here in Seattle they told me that they are seeing a lot of these shocks with the same issue being returned for warranty claims.
I have a hard time with your justification that you couldn't change the shim stack in your shop because the kits weren't available (to modify the SDU hsc). Rockshox publishes their shim stack configurations. If you can get someone to fit a new shim stack kit, you could probably get the same person to look at the tune you wanted and replace a few shims (sourced from a hardware store or some spares). It seems like a vague justification to bump up the X2 vs the SDU.
That's all true! However, having to do custom work to a brand new shock that you just purchased isn't as streamlined as just purchasing a shock with every adjustment done externally. Shops that can swap shim stacks are very few and far between.This means 99.9% of riders will need to ship their shock somewhere, wait while it gets worked on, have it shipped back, and spend money for shipping, parts and labor. And even after that's all said and done, you can't adjust high and low speed compression if desired without doing the entire process over again. *_Again, both awesome shocks with pros and cons._* Our overall review of each shock doesn't really having us majorly favoring one over the other, and we don't really say that we just flat out recommend the X2 over the SDU. We did share that we believe that the SDU is an amazing shock for most riders, and the X2 just helps push things to the next level since the tuning is just much more accessible from the external knobs. The choice is then in the hands of the rider depending on what they're looking for.
The shocks cost more than my current bike. For a dual suspension trail bike, I think a Fox Float DPS would be fine. If I was buying an Enduro or downhill bike, I'd look at your shocks.
There is going to be a perfect weight where the shims are spot on in the Rockshox but i doubt it is for you or you wouldn't have given the fox a 10% better score , i wonder what weight they designed for ?
The Rockshox vs Fox debate is the same as Sram vs Shimano; eventually all comes to personal taste... I would say go for the X2 if you really feel that you need that bit extra performance and you're sure you will notice that little difference. Otherwise, for set & forget, go with the Rockshox.
Max preasure! You missed this aspect. I had both these shocks. Problem of Fox is that has max 250psi and I was riding with 240, which dramatically decreases intervals between service, in my case I had to pay for complete service 3x per year!!! That was the reason why I boght RS which has max at 325, so having 240 inside again was absokutelly easy and I do regular 1 service per year only 🙂 I have 98kg. For riders around 100kg or more is Fox totally useless! And one more point, RS has 3 level positions, open, mid, close, whi is better that Fox too 😉
Thanks for the comment! There's probably 5 more points we could have compared, and max pressure is one of them. However, the video would have been about 40 minutes long and we really wanted to touch on the main points. In regards to the 3-position switch, that it not on the Super Deluxe Ultimate, only the Super Deluxe RC3 which is not available aftermarket like the Ultimate model.
@@TheLostCo OK, maybe not accesible in the US/Canada, but it´s possible to buy a separate Super Deluxe RC3 in Europe, like I did. However, the max preasure is quite important information, because this makes FOX completelly useless for heavy riders - definitelly dealbraker. Anyway it works fine for riders up to 85, max 90kg, for anybody above, I recommend RS.
Is it possible to do this sort of comparison with coil shocks or just the coils? Specially with those progressive coils from MRP or Cane Creek. I really want one but there are no videos comparing either one of them.
i have 2 fullsus bikes with rearshock of fox x2 and super deluxe with megneg.. my favorite is RS with megneg without tokens and zero band is perfect to me...
What's your weight and riding style? I have RS Deluxe Select with MegNeg and 68kg and still adjusting to find the best setup for traction and occasionally medium jumps
@@U9LyKwaN that's what i really like, no more bottomout, no more pedal bob, it climbs better.. i almost want to buy fox coil shock before but when i tried megneg i changed my mind..
Thanks a lot for the feedback bro. I really was thinking to get the Float X2 but don't wanna spend that much if I can have a similar feeling from a much cheaper setup. Besides, I'm not that good at telling whether a certain shock is really good or else 😅
For confidence setting up suspension both brands have really extensive guides on shock set up on their website that gets the shocks and forks feeling alright but try changing one nobb at a time and run the same trail to feel the difference and slowly tune it to what feels best to you Also fox suspension is kinda a pain to service compared to rockshox especially when it comes to shocks
Does anyone else think it's kinda weird that these two shocks are even being compared together? Fox X2 really stands out for long travel bikes. Yeah if you need/want a poppy bike, it's not the best option, go with something with smaller air can, but it's the most coil-like shock on the market with all the tuning and weight benefits of an air shock
These two shocks are being compared because these are the "enduro" shocks from each brand. We wish RockShox would make a highly adjustable, large volume rear shock, but right now they do build/market the Super Deluxe Ultimate the same way that Fox does with their X2. After this video was made, RockShox released the Float X which is very similar to the Super Deluxe Ultimate in design and adjustability, but still, RockShox just has the Super Deluxe Ultimate which is their "enduro" shock.
I'm 280lbs and a fox customer service rep recommended the 2022 Float X2, I'd like to ask then would the Super Deluxe Ultimate work as well for my weight? I'm using a 2021 GT Sensor sport.
*_Which shock would you run? And why?_*
Fox Float DPS 140mm with a firmer retuned damper because I'm 220lbs. I'm really glad you brought out tuning a shock. I don't think most heavy riders realize they can have the shock retuned. It makes a huge difference. The upgrade is worth it!
I love the performance of the X2 but don't like that both of the shocks that I've owned started squelching after a few months. And they're really complicated to service, so you need to send them out. I like to do my own maintenance so I decided to go with DVO.
I run the fox x2 and love it, but am eager to move to the dhx2 soon. Would you guys do a comparison video on the dhx2 2020 and the roxshoxs coil? That would help me with my search
I have the super deluxe select and I love it, I don't fine tune my shock much though
@@ShredReadyFilms same
Watching this at .5 or .25 speed is hilarious. The guy sounds hammered lol
holy shit, i just did this and its hilarious HAHAHA
Hahahaha
How high are you
LOL did it ... .25 is too slow but .5 sounds perfect ... And yes I'm high. Off with though!
Edit: *work ... told you i was high
If you want to take this to the next level, watch Bob Ross at 1.5x speed for a while. He talks like a normal person but his paintbrush goes nuts!
I don't even have a rear shock. why am I watching this lol
Sean shocking😂
Because you poor
Same feels bad😅
Same
Same here
Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil?
Not sure about the internal differences of the Super Deluxe vs. the Super Deluxe Coil, but if they're as similar as the Float X2 and DHX2, the DHX2 and Super Deluxe Coil should have more or less the same differences as shown in the video, besides the air spring differences of course.
“Fox absorbs and Rockshox just bounces around” -Remy
@@EthanAdey Remy Gauvin or Metailler?
@@wumbobo different one, my friend with 51 subscribers
Agree with your assessment. I do find the X2 to offer better pedaling support in the open mode. One of the better things about the Rockshox is that is easier to perform some basic maintenance at home, which makes it more affordable to own.
You almost sounded like a biker Linus for a second there...
Love the fact I watch bike shocks so much even tho I only ride hardtails lol, but l’ll rather choose coil version of the fox float x2
I would also like to add that as a very light rider I have had experiences where more fine-tuning on a shock would be very beneficial to my riding. I have also heard this from multiple other very light riders. This might be something you want to take into account.
what weight are we talking about?
@@hannes6114 about 140 with gear, but since I’m tall I ride larger frame bikes. The downhill bike I rode for a while had a shock with compression adjustment that I could only utilize the bottom 2 clicks of, since it came tuned for a larger rider.
Ok, thanks
I'm about 56 kg or 123 lbs and I've done some research on this and it seems quite correct. I can only ride my Deluxe Select+ at the fastest rebound, same for my Recon fork. I would like to have a couple more clicks to go faster, ie, the fastest rebound being faster than currently. Also, I use low pressures but I had to seg my sag at no more than 25% because I was bottoming it out a lot with more intense riding, and I feel suspension bobs a lot on pedalling as well. It may as well be the kinematics of the Polygon Siskiu D7, but I am currently looking forward to doing a custom tune on shock and fork to see if it improves.
That's really helpful! Thanks
I think 97% of these people won’t even feel a difference like u do
Exactly. I mean like... tracktiony, poppy, consistend, complient, supportive, progresive, linier, responsive, stable, squishy, firm. Just tell me was it good or nah damn it.
99.99%
97% of what that guy feels is emotional. The rest is what's actually measurable.
Haha many people won't, however every time we make a more simplified comparison video then we get a million comments asking us why we don't get more into the techy nerdy side of the components. So it's tough to keep everyone happy but we try our best! 😎
I do, I hate it when highest end suspension don't come with high speed ajustments, it's ridiculous super deluxe only has low speed compression.
I rode Fox suspension on a 2011 GT Sensor 1.0 for years and never had to touch it...no oil or air leaks, it just worked. My 2020 Revel Rascal came with Rockshox and it's been nothing but a PITA. The fork leaked oil in the first few months, had to have my LBS fix it, and now the "deluxe" shock is leaking air. I have to refill it every time I ride, and during the ride! Haven't even had the bike for a year. I'm 55 years old, not a downhill balls to the wall enduro rider. I'm switching to Fox and getting rid of this Rockshox crap. Love the Rascal, great bike!
I already have the Float X2 of my Pivot Mach6 for my bike park runs and I love it.
The new tune on the super deluxe on the new 5010 is amazing. Both are great shocks though. Most people dont bother with tuning their shocks to fit their bikes and riding style/weight. If you already have a shock try having it properly serviced and tuned first before you buy a new one.
Got my 5010 a month ago and I can confirm. That pop he was talking about is game changing
I dunno what tune means tbh. You set your damper to the trail wheteher its a downhill track or a blue trail, you set it differently.
Rockshox is a clear winner cause of the price
Yeah but fox has more adjustments
I'm staying with rockshox tho
Or ohlins if i was a dentist
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 why dentist? do dentists make a lot of money in the US? I've lived in several countries and mostly they make an average income, and sometimes they are even below average. to be honest, it is not too hard to do dentistry, i have a few friends that are dentists, it's like craftsmanship
@@ricardog4459 in Canada dentists make on average 140k a year (i live in canada) in US it's around 180k a year (on average again of course)
Dentists get more free time then normal doctors so that's why we say dentist
They have the most free time with the most money made on average so people say they're dentists when they have really nice bikes even though they just ride for fun
@@thelongestnameinthecomment9677 ah I see. wow that's crazy money for something not thaaat hard to do or learn. not saying it is peanuts, but it's by no means rocket science. here in europe you pay around 80e for first visit, maybe 40-60 on a yearly check. In latin america it's half that or even less.
but usually people pay that money themselves, there is no insurance for it. that's why it's not that expensive, otherwise people would only pay emergencies lol
in any case, i think most guys can take a summer/winter job, save money 1 or 2 years, and buy quite a nice bike.
Personally, I bought the frame new, and I am planning to buy all the components second handed. i did the reckoning and it's much cheaper. people sell the parts they upgrade for less than half here, and in very good state. but you need to be veeery patient, i hope i can finish the bike in a year... lol
I didn’t find setup of the X2 very difficult. Maxed out the air volume spacers because my bike has a regressive leverage curve, set the pressure to give me roughly 20% sag then set high/low speed compression/rebound knobs within the suggested range. Set high-speed rebound at the top of the suggested range (slower rebound) for jumping. Worked great for me and it was a huge performance improvement.
My SB150 frame came with the X2. I can’t wait to build it and rip on it!!
I have a '20 Scout with a '20 X2 and after months of not being able to get the suspension feeling good, I decided to just try setting the HSC and LSC fully opened and then fully closed. I noticed no difference at all. This also coincides with not noticing any difference with the climb switch. I sent it in to Fox who determined there was a problem with the shock and replaced both the compression and rebound circuits. When I got the shock back I noticed that the rebound had way more adjustability to it, but the compression feels the same, no difference from fully opened to fully closed. I contacted fox again and they said they put it on the dyno and determined the compression was fixed and noticed a difference in the settings. Im kind of at a loss here bc no matter what changes I make the shock feels mushly and seems to blow through its travel. For all the X2 owners at there - have you ever tried going from fully opened to fully closed and if so, can you tell a difference? Im trying to determine if this is by design or the shock is still actually bad
Ouch. Yes even a few clicks makes a massive difference with rebound. For LSC it would make a huge difference in traction and feel. Sounds like your sag point may not be dialed? Have you tried adding the orange volume reducers in the shock? You can probably do it with the shock installed on the bike.
Mike S. My sag is within the acceptable range that Transition lists. I’ve tried at the bottom end and the top end of the range too. no change in compression. It’s always the same no matter fully open or closed
atom631 Sounds broke to me. HSC should help with bottom out support, but most often bottom out control is done through spacers in the shock. Just load them up if they aren’t already. Honestly though you probably are on to something. If I turn the compression dials all the way it completely changes the feel of the shock and is immediately noticeable. Good luck
There is a huge difference between compression open and closed. Even between fully open and half closed I could notice a huge difference with mine
Tyler Wolstenholme you have a 2020 X2?
There has to be something wrong with my shock. I’ve let a few people do the test on it any everyone agrees. But fox is saying there’s nothing wrong
I think the Meg Neg can is genius and a great tool to have available. I over-forked my bike and the Meg Neg helped get the rear have a softer initial stroke to balance the front changes.
I would love a rockshox shock that omits the lockout for HSC adjustment. Rockshox has spoilt us with easy to use HSC on their fork cartridges and now it’s time to give us that on the rear of the bike. The deluxe rebound adjustments could use a few more clicks range. Perhaps 10-12 instead of the 7 clicks that mine has.
I like that your review does point out how useful the Meg Neg can be changing the spring curve and midstroke support: a key advantage. Great videos guys! I watch all of them!
Having said that, I have always lusted after the Fox X2 the most!
Agreed, we're crossing our fingers that RockShox brings out a super adjustable shock sometime soon!!
Comparison videos that actually help people make a decision 😍😍😍
Either would be sick! Currently running 2018 Superdeluxe RC3 and absolutely love the shock. Feels like it’s 100% dailed after trying a few different volume spacer and pressure combos. Settled on 190psi with a 2.5 gnardog spacer. (6’3”, I weigh 185-190) felt like it was the best happy medium for both small bump/grip and pop/support but .....you know only the X2 can be 100%...... 🤣
Love my marzocchi hard to imagine an air fork after falling in love with a coil
Yeah if a coil works for your riding/bike there's zero reason to ever go back. I use my enduro for a variety of applications so rely on adjustability.
Now in love with air - I guess it is all good
Great video! I mean, what can I say..., Both shocks and thier comparable forks won the EWS Multiple times. They're both great 🤘
I have the super deluxe (not ultimate) with the meg neg. I hated that shock at first, but the meg neg made such a difference that I actually enjoy how the shock feels now.
Do you mind me asking... Was it hard to swap out the can?
Megneg even made my normal deluxe feel good under the weight of a levo. Not hard to fit at all either.
@@trailladymtb7700 very easy to install, although I didn't have a press to push out the bushings, a soft mallet hammer worked good for me. Had to remove the bushing in the lower to allow the air can to be removed.
How about a video with more details on the MegNeg & bikes suited for it?
dude your reviews are awesome and really well done! you missed nothing! Would sooo love to see you do your thing on that transition bike in the video! ;)
The last few float x2 iterations have been blowing out for so many people it’s crazy
MY21-23 did have durability issues which have since been fixed with a big revision in MY24 and MY25 shocks. The MY24/25 shocks have been incredibly reliable 🤘
I really dig the videos. Always so informative. Have you done a video on how to install a larger Meg Neg can on the Rock Shox and what riders can benefit from it? That DaVinci is sweet. You always have nice bikes. Thanks for the detailed video. Happy Trails!
Excellent review. It really covered all the bases
Right now I have a Super Deluxe Select+ and I'm pretty sure at 245 riding weight im outside the compression tune. Im thinking about grabbing a take-off Float X2 from an ebike or something to get a firmer compression tune and more adjustability.
i was actually interested in buying a shock until I heard the price and then I had to have a conversation with my wallet and agreed to not buy a shock
get a marzocchi bomber cr coil. they sooo good and cheap
Just take the time to learn suspension. Know what HSR,LSR,HSC,LSC and sag does. Keep a log book with all your settings and location, then write in a brief description of your ride as soon as your finished. You’ll be amazed at how much of a difference it makes when you actually know what your suspension is doing and how to correct it vs guessing.
would be rad is you showed us your settings for both shocks , for your weight and riding area.. another rad video anyways !!!
I think it's kinda weird that nobody ever talks about maintanance of these things.
A full service on a RockShox shock is super easy and you can get all the replacements parts, while with Fox you're having a hard time getting them. Furthermore RS replacement seals etc. i a third of the price when compared to fox.
Im Riding a super deluxe simply because I can do a full service in no time just with a couple of tools, that i have in the back of my car.
With Fox you almost always have to send it in - These days you're lucky if you get it back within 6 weeks.
I would have to go with the X2 nothing wrong with Rock Shox but l have found in the past RS seem to blow through the travel far to quick were as the Fox kit seems to over a lot more support
couldnt agree more with the conclusion. i currently have the super deluxe with the megneg installed in my 2021 enduro and it feels great but not that 100% amazing feeling of a float x2. considering an upgrade but it really isnt much between em!
Fox love the look of it and obviously want that %100 perfect for racing
Which is best for heavy rider? Thanks!
Even before watching the review, Rochshox FOR SURE. The X2 has a known flaw that lets air mix with oil at a very early stage, sometimes with as little as a month or less of use. Fox is finally repairing some under warranty but for the longest, they would not admit fault. This is like the RockShox Reverb seat post, nothing but a glorified paper weight.
Mine has cavitation too. Have you got written proof of waft fox gas said? My local are saying it’s just wear n tear and I needed a service anyway so would be nice to have some office documentation to show them
I LOVE my x2
Literally just bought a used Rockshox Super Deluxe Select+
How do you like it? I just did the same. Upgraded from the Fox DPS Float.
@@marklopez5267 I honestly have no idea. I don't pay attention enough and ride the same trails enough to tell lol
Sweet vid Mike. Would have been interesting to see you talk about serviceability. X2 requires the damper to be disassembled to do a 50 hour air can service(send it in to fox/shop) where this is not the case with a DPX2 or super deluxe.
I had the super deluxe with a MegNeg on my old bike and wasn’t the biggest fan. I have a factory X2 on my current bike and it’s dope!
I think a comparison of the dpx2 and super deluxe is a more fair comparison
I have the super deluxe on the DH commencal furious and it rides almost like a coil but the weight is nice. I did upgrade to the megneg and that really helped the ramp up. I do wish I could adjust the spacers trail side though like the x2.
Could you also talk about DVO suspension?
I completely agree. It would be nice to see reviews of other vendors besides the big boys. Lots of small companies with great products but lack the marketing budget to compensate internet influencers. The DVO Topaz is a great rear shock. Also, how about 1UpUSA as the best bike rack but because they are 100% consumer direct, no bike shop of online store will promote them.
John Panozzo dude what an amazing point about 1up. Also he should do ride formula suspension also. I recently just signed with DVO suspension and I’m enjoying every moment of it!
@@TCENDURO but every review you see the “big boys” almost always come out on top. And no I don’t think reviewers get paid off by the big boys either.
You need to talk about serviceability. The X2 is shocking for cost, and frequency. The 25% extra price bl9ws out quick
I actually had this dilemma a while back and went with the Super Deluxe because of the cost. I don't regret that decision because (as a very average rider) I don't think I would notice the difference. I'd say the X2 is only for pro's or extremely keen amateurs who want the best thing out there, but most normal people looking for a high end shock will be very satisfied with the Super Deluxe.
I've had 4 Fox x2 and it's very good and had one Rockshox and its ok works ok if your not a fiddler for people don't understand how to get the best out of the suspension.
Good Review!! RS is less complicated to setup for sure...
Can I get a LOST Tshirt?
I like being able to work on my stuff at home so rockshox
My 2 cents. If your buying a new shock get the float x2 (unless it’s just too far out of budget) as it can become any shock and it’s damping curves can be tuned to whatever you like. If your bike came with an X2 then your already good to go. The third scenario is the one I don’t understand is people who’s bikes come with the Super Deluxe and they don’t like it then go and buy a Float X2. There are some traits in the super deluxe that just can not be externally tuned out such as it’s digressive compression damping curve and this is where you send it to people like Vorsprung and now it is tuned as your shock for you and what your after. This is a much cheaper option and the end result is very good.
Cane Creek Double Barrel Air or coil. I run the coil version when I'm riding in southern Utah, and the air version when riding in northern Utah. Mainly just to save weight.
Went to rock shock on my new bike because Fox wasn’t available due to covid, and now I don’t think I will be going back. The Sid ultimate is like a magic carpet ride.
I’m probably in the category that likes to set up quickly with less mucking about , probably why I favour super deluxe with megneg, 2 or 3 rides and I’ve got it running sweet
Fox x2 = possibly the most unreliable rear shock ever
Ivgot both.. On the dh canyon the fox.. On the yt decoy the ultimate. And I like both. And it is all true what he said! Fox sometimes complicated till u found ur set up.. Rs so easy smooth, poppy and good
I got a factory X2 on my second hand ripmo frame, REALLY not looking forward to tuning it, only had rockshox till now and apart from the reliability issues ive enjoyed the easy setup and adjustments.
SDU tune on my Tallboy 4 feels great
I’ve always liked the K coating on high end Fox. It allows you to clearly see the stroke section for cleaning and maintenance/wear. Great enthusiastic review thanks. Doc
Had RS for all my bikes until I recently switched over to Fox. Has over 60 hours of riding yet no stiction. RS tends to decrease in performance after 20 hours of ride time. FOX ALL DAY!!!
Dnm rcp2 would still be a better value imo. A nice entry level coil shock that doesnt require that finicky maintenance and still offers decent performance. With both compression and rebound adjustments (aside from swapping the coil ofc)
Always love your videos Mike. Eagerly awaiting and order from you guys, which again, were parts you had that no one else did. How you liking that Devinci?
Haha thanks for your order! We're doing our best to keep the shelves stocked with all the goodies during this craziness. I love the Devinci! It does everything very well and it's been my favorite bike of the past several years for sure.
After owning & riding both I prefer the x2
Fantastic review brotha! Well done!....
I run Factory 38's and Factory X2. Best I have ever ridden.
Heck yea man that's some top of the line suspension! Keep it feeling buttery smooth out there 😎
How big is the difference to Float DPS? (Other than 2x price tag)
Sometimes it feels the slightly lower end models are better for some beginners. One compression knob and one rebound knob.
The Dps is meant for trail riding and it comes in shorter travel and has less compression and rebound adjustability while the X2 is made for enduro or downhill riding so it comes in longer travel versions and it is more tunable with 16 clicks of low speed compression and rebound and 8 clicks of high speed compression and rebound. The X2 is better for big hits and rough trails
I went from a DPS to and X2 on a 160mm travel bike. And I think that's where people will feel the difference. On a shorter travel bike, maybe not so much. The X2 was instantly much more supple and smooth, and of course, can take a hit.
What I’m getting is a remedy 8 which comes with the super delux and I think I’ll stick with it after watch this video
Great video, very informative :)
Can you do a review of the cane creek DB kitsuma air rear shock?🤘🏼
Some people love the fox look and coating. Thats the reason to lose cash for coolness, they think. So more money payed will let em ride better ^^ my winner since years is the performance of my super deluxe 3 positions shock!
Isn't this the wrong comparison? I would have thought the X2 should be compared against the Vivid Air.
That's what I was thinking too. But the vivid air has never got any attention and it seems like even rockshox has forgot that it exists... Older style stickers, never went through any revisions from 2017 when it came out... It would be nice if they renewed it with new technologies and maybe a new name. (Super DHluxe?)
Im pretty sure this shock died when people started riding Enduro and DH bikes became extinct.
Do a comparison on the Fox float dhx2 vs rockshox super deluxe coil as well! Or maybe individual reviews of each?
Why is the trunnion x2 wider than the non trunnion
I have the Rockshok Deluxe on my Santa Cruz Hightower 2021, but I’m putting the Meg neg on it as soon as I get it. Also thinking of purchasing the cascade assembly linkage. What do you think of this linkage; have you tried it? And do you sell it?
Santa Cruz spend millions on R@D on there suspension alone, putting that thing on it would probably just give you more travel and thats it! If you want that little extra travel IMHO go for it, but for me that explanation from Cascade about what there linkage can do for you and your bike, is worth as much as their explanation of what does not do ...
Did my home work and just decided to go megneg, I am putting one on as I write this.
In a nut shell, my 2 cent opinion is that, it is wiser to upgrade my shock than spend $350 (shipped cascade) for a linkage that may or may not do anything for me.
super deluxe with megneg..
Wrong choice my friend. You don't need a meg-neg for the Float X2 as it already has negative volume spacers you can adjust the beginning of the stroke with. The SD is also an outdated design and an utter POS.
Which damper is better suited for heavy people (approx. 120kg)?
Could you compare the fox dhx2 and Rockshox super deluxe coil one day?
Same
Same story with coil as with air. Ultimate adjustability vs. Easier setup/user serviceability
@@caderidenour642 yes but i'd like to have some basic impression of it how it feels, if it is a good option besides the dhx2
Hey Mike, how does the Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil compare to the DHX2?
And now with the RC2T the Rockshox offers High Speed dial and HBO built in.
Yep yep! The new RockShox SDU shocks make it even harder to compare the shocks. Dang it! haha
-Mike
My brand new Fox X2 failed after one ride, so RockShox all the way. Fox promised me a 4 day turnaround and have now had the shock for 6 weeks. Every time I call, I just get the same line... we are waiting for parts and have no update. Fox keeps releasing this shock even though this is a known issue.
Hey Andrew, really sorry to hear about that! Please know that it's not super common for something like this to happen, and also it could happen to any shock. Dealing with service or warranty can always take a while in the Spring and Summer since everyone's hoping to get their suspension serviced for the season. Right now is even crazier because companies physically can't get parts for certain things. All in all, that's no fun for riders to deal with, but they're definitely trying their best.
There are currently no known/recurring issues with the X2 that we know of. This is our #1 best selling shock, and most of us at the shop ride it on our personal bikes. If it's made by humans it can't be perfect, and issues do pop up here and there with all products from both the bike industry and all others. Feel free to shoot us an email to sales@thelostco.com to let us know what's going out with Fox's long wait time to fix your shop and we'll try to figure out any way we can help speed things up! No guarantees, but it's worth a shot!
@@TheLostCo Thank you, I appreciate it. When I went by my local bike shop here in Seattle they told me that they are seeing a lot of these shocks with the same issue being returned for warranty claims.
Black X2 without extra adjustments👍
I have a hard time with your justification that you couldn't change the shim stack in your shop because the kits weren't available (to modify the SDU hsc). Rockshox publishes their shim stack configurations. If you can get someone to fit a new shim stack kit, you could probably get the same person to look at the tune you wanted and replace a few shims (sourced from a hardware store or some spares).
It seems like a vague justification to bump up the X2 vs the SDU.
That's all true! However, having to do custom work to a brand new shock that you just purchased isn't as streamlined as just purchasing a shock with every adjustment done externally. Shops that can swap shim stacks are very few and far between.This means 99.9% of riders will need to ship their shock somewhere, wait while it gets worked on, have it shipped back, and spend money for shipping, parts and labor. And even after that's all said and done, you can't adjust high and low speed compression if desired without doing the entire process over again.
*_Again, both awesome shocks with pros and cons._* Our overall review of each shock doesn't really having us majorly favoring one over the other, and we don't really say that we just flat out recommend the X2 over the SDU. We did share that we believe that the SDU is an amazing shock for most riders, and the X2 just helps push things to the next level since the tuning is just much more accessible from the external knobs. The choice is then in the hands of the rider depending on what they're looking for.
The shocks cost more than my current bike.
For a dual suspension trail bike, I think a Fox Float DPS would be fine. If I was buying an Enduro or downhill bike, I'd look at your shocks.
There is going to be a perfect weight where the shims are spot on in the Rockshox but i doubt it is for you or you wouldn't have given the fox a 10% better score , i wonder what weight they designed for ?
I run the rockshox and i love it.
The Rockshox vs Fox debate is the same as Sram vs Shimano; eventually all comes to personal taste...
I would say go for the X2 if you really feel that you need that bit extra performance and you're sure you will notice that little difference. Otherwise, for set & forget, go with the Rockshox.
Max preasure! You missed this aspect. I had both these shocks. Problem of Fox is that has max 250psi and I was riding with 240, which dramatically decreases intervals between service, in my case I had to pay for complete service 3x per year!!! That was the reason why I boght RS which has max at 325, so having 240 inside again was absokutelly easy and I do regular 1 service per year only 🙂 I have 98kg. For riders around 100kg or more is Fox totally useless! And one more point, RS has 3 level positions, open, mid, close, whi is better that Fox too 😉
Thanks for the comment! There's probably 5 more points we could have compared, and max pressure is one of them. However, the video would have been about 40 minutes long and we really wanted to touch on the main points.
In regards to the 3-position switch, that it not on the Super Deluxe Ultimate, only the Super Deluxe RC3 which is not available aftermarket like the Ultimate model.
@@TheLostCo OK, maybe not accesible in the US/Canada, but it´s possible to buy a separate Super Deluxe RC3 in Europe, like I did. However, the max preasure is quite important information, because this makes FOX completelly useless for heavy riders - definitelly dealbraker. Anyway it works fine for riders up to 85, max 90kg, for anybody above, I recommend RS.
Is it possible to do this sort of comparison with coil shocks or just the coils?
Specially with those progressive coils from MRP or Cane Creek.
I really want one but there are no videos comparing either one of them.
i have 2 fullsus bikes with rearshock of fox x2 and super deluxe with megneg.. my favorite is RS with megneg without tokens and zero band is perfect to me...
What's your weight and riding style? I have RS Deluxe Select with MegNeg and 68kg and still adjusting to find the best setup for traction and occasionally medium jumps
@@U9LyKwaN im 74kg, i've tried all setup but my most favorite is no tokens and no band setup with my santa cruz nomad 4..
Thanks I guess I will give it a try. Do u ever bottom out? I'm using it on my Bronson V3. We're Syndicate yeahh 🤙🏻
@@U9LyKwaN that's what i really like, no more bottomout, no more pedal bob, it climbs better.. i almost want to buy fox coil shock before but when i tried megneg i changed my mind..
Thanks a lot for the feedback bro. I really was thinking to get the Float X2 but don't wanna spend that much if I can have a similar feeling from a much cheaper setup. Besides, I'm not that good at telling whether a certain shock is really good or else 😅
Super deluxe ultimate any day
Cool stuff, what font did you use for FOX?
They’re both rad but I like the poppier nature of the RS.
For confidence setting up suspension both brands have really extensive guides on shock set up on their website that gets the shocks and forks feeling alright but try changing one nobb at a time and run the same trail to feel the difference and slowly tune it to what feels best to you
Also fox suspension is kinda a pain to service compared to rockshox especially when it comes to shocks
True that! If you just move slowly and adjust one knob at a time you'll get to a great set up eventually. -Tor
I got a cheap air shock and that broke so I got the super deluxe ultimate for just 170€
Great vid as always.... love them😎. Can you do the same for the coil equivalents ??? Thanks and keep on.
I guess I need the fox float because I want "my rear end to feel 100% perfect" 😂
Rockshox Super Deluxe LLC1 and LL1 what is the difference ?
Does anyone else think it's kinda weird that these two shocks are even being compared together? Fox X2 really stands out for long travel bikes. Yeah if you need/want a poppy bike, it's not the best option, go with something with smaller air can, but it's the most coil-like shock on the market with all the tuning and weight benefits of an air shock
These two shocks are being compared because these are the "enduro" shocks from each brand. We wish RockShox would make a highly adjustable, large volume rear shock, but right now they do build/market the Super Deluxe Ultimate the same way that Fox does with their X2. After this video was made, RockShox released the Float X which is very similar to the Super Deluxe Ultimate in design and adjustability, but still, RockShox just has the Super Deluxe Ultimate which is their "enduro" shock.
still using old cane creek from 2013....way beyond my capabilities....
what you think about Rock Shox Super Deluxe Select, DebonAir?
I'm 280lbs and a fox customer service rep recommended the 2022 Float X2, I'd like to ask then would the Super Deluxe Ultimate work as well for my weight? I'm using a 2021 GT Sensor sport.