The series needs to be cancelled. 4 episodes in and plot is so slow. Dialogue is garbage and random bad shots. I could have made a better show than this snoozefest.
@@BZman7 well, you are right. The dialogues and story telling are pretty bad. But I think that there are enough viewers who actually enjoy ROP or think it´s at least tolerable. And it is Amazon´s prestige project. But the show runners should listen to the critics and at least fire their script writers. They did a terrible job. This wouldn´t be the first show with a not so great first season.
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This is a horrible show. Numenor men made to look like they were ready to do a Jan 6th, Galadriel is the polar opposite of what she is like in the books or the movies or animation. So so so tired of all the Boss lady BS. Didn't real Men show up until the 3rd age?
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I watched Heavy Spoilers for other shows, and I'm not a fan of his forced jokes and puns that he drives into our skulls with an iron hammer. It's just too much for me 🙄
Elrond found the passage by hearing the wind blowing through a gape. The words he spoke to unlock it were being said by Durin and Disas kids while he Elrond was questioning Disa about Durnins whereabouts. Great writing huh?
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No, that’s why they went to the Dwarves, for extra hands. The old dude told Eldron that he was in a hurry to finish the building by the Spring time, so of course they needed more help to do that. They are on a time line
There's no doubt the Eregion story line in this episode happens later on - after Elrond and Durin head out to Lindon (according to this episode) and the after the dwarves actually agree to work on Celebrimbor's new tower-forge - which may be an episode or two away... As for the "spot the Sauron" challenge, I agree that none of the characters we have seen thus far are Sauron. My sense is that Halbrand will end up Witch King, the Stranger is a Blue Wizard (one of them), and Adar is the last unaccounted-for (in the lore) son of Fëanor whose hand (the one covered by the gauntlet here) was burned by holding one of the Silmarils. We'll first see Sauron as Annatar - in the fairest of guises - before Season 1 is out and this will involve a timeline in which Celebrimbor is the first to meet him in person (i.e. before any of the Second Age scenes we've seen in the series thus far) since it's Sauron who's creating the urgency for the forge in Celebrimbor's mind.
It could be true. Maglor Feanorian could be Adar because Celegorm, Carathir and Curufin died in Doriath (Second Kinslaying), Amrod and Amras died in Sirion (Third Kinslaying) and Meadhros only have a left hand because his right hand was cut off by Fingon to get off a cliff (he cast himself in lava river after stealing one of the Silmaril's). Therefore Maglor would be the only one left.
@@cubablue602 Both of his hands are shown in episode 7 when Galadriel is interrogating (threatening) Adar in the barn. They both look scarred, but one does not seem burned as opposed to the other.
100% I LOVE the pacing!! People complain about characters never getting their time to develop and worlds not being constructed effectively but when a show does it right they say it's boring wtf
Great review bro!!! Love the heavy spoilers drop. That guy must live on Red Bull and 2 minute naps. He gets into the bane of that mine where durin is by reciting what the kids were saying. The kids were playing games and kept saying the lite rhyme.
No, they are all on the same time line. The old dude said he was in a hurry and needed to finish the building by spring. That is why they went to the dwarves, they needed the extra help.
@@debanydoombringer1385 Havent read the letters, I just know in Lotr they dont know how they multiply and in Silmarillion it's stated that orcs come originally from captured and tortured elves allegedly. Only makes sense they had female and male orcs work the mines for centuries, turning into orcs of both sexes and able to procreate. Dont like the Peter Jackson version of being made out of mud hehe
My theory on Adar is that since orcs were created by melkor taking and corrupting elves, maybe he was like one of the prototype ones and he wasnt fully transformed, so hes like half orc.
In the books Numenor fell because they imprisoned Sauron who corrupted them with his council (if i remember correctly). Who was captured by Numenorians and stirs things up with his council?
I think, based on that stupid "elves are taking our jerbs" scene (that is also lame metaphor for our immigration debate) that Halbrand is definitely Sauron. The oh so clever irony will be that a human destroys them instead of a guy playing an elf.
Galadriel managing to shove four Numenorean guards into her cell (without even using any magic at all, by the look of it) and then make her way to the King's Bedchamber - without being detected by anyone on the way - really was jaw-dropping.
The fire in the end is the volcano (mordor). Sauron has arrived…maybe even forged the one ring. If you look at the soundtrack, almost the last song on it is called „true creation requires sacrifice“ so it‘s either celebrimbor forging the rings or Sauron.
He can't have forged it yet. It's the last one after he learns from Celebrimbor by helping make all but the Elven rings. No rings are forged yet because Sauron has a hand, at the forge in their making unless they are going to completely break the lore.
"Like trying to compete with Heavy spoilers" I burst out laughing cos yes Paul doesn't sleep, he has a video out for EVERY show the second it airs. But I more a fan of yours cos your few breakdowns are detailed and you don't force yourself to like every show just to appeal to everyone like Paul does.
They're not different time lines, as an editor of book manuscripts the problem with this writing is lack of real continuity. They are jumping back and forth between the time lines but it's weak writing.
And putting 1600+ years into one storyline. So it's like the show Vikings that had to compress 300 years of history into less than 20-30 years of show line.
I suspect that Helbrand is Sauron. Because according to lore Sauron was captured and imprisoned in Numenor. He somehow (probably through his silver tongue) went from prisoner to advisor to the King. It was he who advised the King to then send a grand fleet to Valinor to attack the elves. Isildur and nine other ships of the faithful were the only ones who disobeyed and fled to Middle earth. As punishment, one of the valar (the one in charge of the seas) caused the tsunami which kills the entire fleet and ultimately destroys Numenor. Sauron's body was destroyed too, but his spirit survived. So either its Helbrand or the current Councillor who's name escapes me. I of course could be very wrong and maybe they haven't captured sauron yet. And perhaps Helbrand wears that pendant with the Kings sigil cuz he (sauron) killed the king and is impersonating him? I had concluded it wasn't him at first but then the way he spoke to Galadriele while they were imprisoned brought back my suspicion.
If they follow the timeline Sauron should show up as Annatar bringing them the rings as gifts. He wasn’t captured until the battle afterwards where he became the high advisor in Numenor by his design
The scene where the Forge is getting constructed is obviously a sneak peak into the future which Elrond secured the Dwarves assistance and we gonna see why Durin doesn't get along with Celebrimbor as he says. We will see Durin going to Lindon and meet with Gil Galad and Celebrimbor
Hello, I am a Korean who likes RoP. I'm asking you a question as I watch episode 4. Miriel was able to become regent king because she had an anti-fairy political view unlike her father (King Tar-Palantir) (if not officially, at least officially). So in the drama, as of Episode 4, the crowd and politicians in Numenor are overwhelmingly anti-fairy. But at the end of Episode 4, once Miriel's speech (though of course it was great), the crowd volunteers for the army, and many politicians are in favor of the military expedition. I don't really understand this part. Was Miriel's speech so good that her speech turned the long-formed anti-fairy public opinion into pro-fairy public opinion? I wonder if there's anything I'm missing.
No, you're right. The Numenoreans are descendants of the Edain or High Men, the Men who first travelled towards the west of Middle Earth and helped in the war against Morgoth. Their first king, Elros (Elrond's twin brother), was also from two "special" family lines. So, the Numenoreans consider themselves to be better than the other Men, and even better than the Elves. They're not going to the expedition out of the kindness of their hearts, they're going as a superior (military) power to help the poor Southerners. (Imagine some of the "humanitarian wars" we have seen in real life.) If you remember during the 4th episode, Pharazon's speech was all about how they have no reason to fear the Elves because they're the most powerful and special.
@@rachreid8746 yes he is, but i think there is some interesting ways that the Prince of the kingdom of men could play a role in the future considering he has already show a gravitation towards the dark sword
Ha ha, but they did manage to avoid telling us anything truly meaningful. Has there ever been another show with so little narrative progress, although we have seen by now FOUR full hours of ROP. Did the script writers contract long covid, which may have damaged the parts of the brain, which is important for story telling and writing good dialogues?? There are only four hours left to develop the plot! But maybe they saved the really interesting and important story lines for the second season ;) Maybe the show runners are elves for whom one season is less than the blink of an eye lid.
I don't know how they expect to have 5 seasons with storytelling this bad, and a pace slower than your hungover bus driver. If it takes 3 years to get good, or more likely 6 years with the scale of it. It's it even with watching at that point?
I imagined the fall of Numeneor would take a lot of time. Slowly turning the city black and horrible. A huge church to Melkor. Looks like the nice white city is getting flushed?
It took roughly 1600 years from the forging of the rings till Numenor was destroyed. I imagine RoP will gather these 1600+ years into Season 1 and say it's few years or even months as most of the human characters in the show wasnt alive for another 1600 years when the rings were forged or when Sauron was captured by the elf-Numenor alliance.
@@beersmurff He wasn't captured by the alliance. He was destroyed by it and was unable to retake a solid form, hence the fire he appears as in the books. He's captured by Numenorens only and imprisoned by them, though I don't expect any of that to occur in this show.
@@debanydoombringer1385 Sorry i mixed things. First time he came in disguise yes. in 3262 SA however they did capture him and brought him to stand trial in Numenor, but they angered the gods by trying to sail to Aman and during the destruction of Numenor, he escaped back to ME.
The explosion of Mount Doom should be happening soon. That is why Mordor becomes a waste land of ash and Rock. Could be why you see everything covered in Ash
Makes perfect sense. That is what happens with volcanoes when they erupt; there is often a layer of ash they leave all around them. And Mt. Doom is a volcano.
@@erikabutler6893 Tidel wave is from the earthquake of the explosion? Also the intro seems to be very similar to seismic vibrations? Help us Erika Help Us!
@@SouthWestBadger It's a reference to an event mentioned in the appendices of RotK: After Numenor under Ar-Pharazon tries to conquer Valinor to obtain immortality, Eru Iluvatar (basically, God) makes the world round removing Valinor from the curvature of the earth, and sinks Numenor into the ocean. So basically, what you're seeing is the end of Numenor. Referencing what you see, remember that Numenor has seawalls surrounding it, so as Numenor sinks the water begins to pour in from the seawalls.
This series is different to what I thought it would end up like. But a good different. This series is actually fun so far, I'm enjoying the characters for the most part, even in its down times it keeps just that bit of intrigue.
@Something Something Oh, wow. That was the *sickest burn* bro. I get the joke. No one is allowed to like anything that you don't like and if they do that must mean they're a garbage eater. The wit.
Hope they are not doing wat i think. Queen & elendil & isildur leaves with galadriel. Leaving halbrand/sauron to corrupt pharazon leading to numenor's downfall. Can't have a woman be responsible for numenor falling right?
As Erika states, it was Ar-pharazon who finalized the downfall. He took the queen as wife and took control. And when I say finalized, it's because Sauron started the corruption 16-1700 years before the actual fall. But this series is compressing 16-1700 years of history into roughly few months or years.
When Galadriel wear the armor, her mind telling her "I'm Joan Of Arc, i have a message to Sauron, Yell now, Yell now....For the love of God." Ok that it, time to throw my TV out da Window.
I like how even the people who like the starting to lose faith. We tried to warn you long before. I recommend you cancel your prime until The Boys or Invincible comes back and go watch HOTD. At least so far HBO doesn't insult your intellect.
Love Miriel as a character. Cynthia Addis-Robinson has done what few in the series have: show a character with depth. She demonstrates the stress of aligning again with Elves all the while knowing that the conniving Pharazon is seeking her ultimate demise. Also Galadriel’s arrogance towards the Queen Regent illustrates the attitude of the races towards each other: distrust. Btw, love Ismael Cruz’ Arondir’s stoic hero and Sophia Nomvete’ Disa. My two favorite characters thus far. Also, didn’t realize that Lenny Henry portrays Saduc. Great choice. Love the channel.
I haven't really attached myself to Arondir yet... or Bronwyn... I think they needed a flashback seen of how they fell for each other during lazier times or something. There was a little when she gives him the seeds and such but I just don't understand why she and he care about each other so much haha. Still I agree... Miriel, Pharazon and Elendil, even Isildur are all interesting characters now.. So are Elrond, Disa and Durin. Interesting arcs going on with Numenor and Dwarves/Elves. Getting better plot wise...
@@fayis4everlove let me guess… you are a screenplay writer lol 😂 I am really sure you are sitting in your couch… people complain about something that probably have no ability to say how they are going to so fix it
There are only three kinds of people who would say they like anything about this show: woke activists who judge a show only from the number of race swaps in it, teenage morons who would swallow up any piece of crap as long as it's flashy enough and wouldn't tell a Marvel cash grab from the original Star Wars trilogy, and someone taking money from Amazon to pretend he likes this pile of crap. Which group are you a part of?
He is... he grew up or knew the same place Arondir was from they talk about it. He is an elf. Either corrupted by someone else or he decided to corrupt himself. It fits Tolkien lore. That kind of thing happened.
@@Persephone_Personified Not true. Evil elves exist in Tolkien lore. Technically they get kicked out of the club when they go baddie but they are still the same race. Just corrupted.
The Nazgul are from the 9 rings given to human men. The Dwarves get 7, but they only make them greedy and don't put them under Sauron's control as he'd hoped.
Great breakdown, we like the connections to the LOTR. We can’t wait to see Sauron, the making of the actual “Rings of Power”. We learned of the three Elvin Ring-bearers in the movies, Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf.Also looking forward to seeing the Seven Dwarf Lords and the Nine Kings who eventually become the Ringwraiths. Therefore, could Halbrand be one these Kings that is eventually corrupted by Sauron, after he creates the “One Ring” (in secret). Could Halbrand eventually become the Witch King?? We’re good if it’s he is not though. Basically, we’re totally liking this series very much however, we’re very biased of course, because we live in New Zealand. Lets all take care and, lets all be kind, I’m sure that’s what Professor JRR TOLKIEN (R.I.P) would want everyone to do. Pomarie (Good night) from NZ
As a non native English speaker, I don't know what book did you read. Pure nonsense. Stop preaching that this is what Tolkien would have wanted. You know nothing about Tolkien. He rejected modernity and his paradigma. This is just pure modernism and politics.
First off, my spelling stinks so I may be typing these names incorrectly! My apologies up front. Second, this is just an opinion, I’m not an expert like this guy is. Sometimes I just see things a different way. Ok, here goes: Isn’t Strider (Aragon) from LOTR movies, Isildor’s heir? Doesn’t the very first Fellowship movie show The King of Gondor and his son Isildor fight and destroy Sauron? That’s how he got the ring of power. It was also said the Numenor people had longer lives than common men, in the Extended edition of The Two Towers. So I think Adar already planted the idea of the rings before this series started, probably during the battle to destroy Morgath is how he received his injury to his face. That may be why he said something about the elves hiding a part of their history. I bet the furnace is going to be the same as the one shown in the Hobbit/Smaug movie. Or very similar to it. I think the stranger is a wizard (blue wizard) that begins the order of wizards like Gandalf is in.
Sauron, disgused as an Elf who is extremely attractive and is very nice, gets Celebrimbor to create the rings by claiming to want to learn and challenging his skill. Sauron imbues them as he helps create them. He then forges the One Ring in the fires of Mordor. Isildor is the king of Gondor and it's his father, Elendil (spelling), and Gil-Galad with him when he cuts Sauron's finger off. His father is king of both Gondor and Arnor, ruled by his brother. That's the role Aragorn fills. Numenorens were blessed by Eru (god) for helping in the war against Morgoth with being like Elves, just not immortal. They did live for hundreds of years. It was also founded by Eros, Elrond's brother who chose to live as his human half while Elrond chose to live an Elven life. Aragorn is also a descendant of Eros (as is Isildor) which means he's got Elven ancestry. Edit: All of that is from Tolkien's books and much of it doesn't appear to be in the show.
@@debanydoombringer1385 Aah! I thought it was Elrond who was with them when they cut off Sauron’s fingers. But the movies probably changed several things around and I bet the show is doing something like that too. I will check out the books more, I’ve heard them referenced not only in this video but in others as well. I’m really digging the new series, it gets the imagination fired up and gives people like me a better glimpse into the Tolkien world that I had such a hard time reading in the actual book series. I had to read parts of The Hobbit twice to get the gist of certain “scenes”, but considering I was only 12 the first time I tried getting into it, it was a little too complex for my age.🤗🤭
Ray Harryhausen. Magnificent! Wonderful humble genius. One man: 50s, 60s, 70,s cinematic magic. All one man: if it was spectacular, it was Ray Harrhausen.. Creations the pathos of which could make an audience weep. All on a shoestring budget. Stupid billion dollar Rings of power could have learned from him; but are unable - because Ray Harryhausen was an old white heterosexual man who put entertainment and audience first!
I reluctantly started watching this series and I like it better than I thought I would despite the many nay sayers. However, there seems to be a dearth of magic. I thought Elves were suppose to be magical entities and so far I have seen very little if any magic by them. The only thing that denotes them being elves is their ears. I laughed out load when the reviewer said Jayze had more rings than he had seen in this show. Hilarious. Where is the magic?
My favorite part is when Galadriel picked up Thor’s hammer while holding Captain America’s shield. Then John Wick said, “she’s worthy” while she battled Thanos for the infinity stones.
All that city stuff is boring as hell!!! The mines is mid the boy with the sword and the orcs is the best part. I'm just not feeling this show the movies had me hooked hopefully next week episode is better.
No Nazgul are Elves. They are all men. Sauron had made 9 rings he gave to men, 7 to Dwarves, and Celebrimbor created the 3 for the Elves without Sauron's knowledge.
This doesn't even feel Tolkien-esque. Where's the wonder, mystery, magic, poetic dialogue, and banter? All we got is a cheap series, quality-wise 🥱. The pacing is waaaaay too slow and the characters are meh.
Great breakdown as always. By this episode, I am starting to feel the series is losing momentum, largely because of the excellent pacing set by LOTR but also dragged down by a poor set of supporting cast. The series is being carried by Galadriel and Arundir (and possibly Elendil) but when the others came on screen, the energy and tension fizzled out. In comparison, the cast in House of the Dragon are significantly much better quality although the pacing there is also starting to suffer. Elrond is such a key character and could have been better casted.
The show rests on Galadriel shoulders but my god does she do a poor job at caring it… Her character is extremely unlikable and just a nuisance. This show is not good by any means, not even as something seperate from LOtR
I'm sorry but this version of Galadriel (Elrond too 😭) is kind of boring, she lacks the conviction, grace, and charisma that "Peter's Galadriel" had. The rest of the casts are pretty as well, except the halflings (I love that plot more, there's a lot of mystery. Plus the girl and her best friend are funny). Just in general the pacing of this series is waaaay too slow and there's no banter or even a sense of wonder 🥲
@@Grandmas_Favorite My goodness she's the total opposite of Peter Jackson's LoTR Galadriel. I know that she's supposed to be young and free spirited in this timeline, but why such drastic changes to her personality and character? Why is she always tight lipped with her jaw clenched and shoulders squared? Where's the graceful, wise (I know wisdom comes with age but she's not exactly young in this timeline, she's like around a thousand years old), charismatic Galadriel that we know and love?
Nah i think House if the dragon is kinda weak they’re just trying to replicate the first few series of GOT from what ive seen not very original.I actually think Galadriel an the reliance on her is a weakness i much prefer seeing Elrond and the dwarfs, they’re building up many characters an myths at the moment so we have to be patient
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 I agree HOTD is losing steam as we approach the midway point; no way near the intensity and pacing of GOT. Hopefully the 2nd half will be better, with new lead actors coming in.
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The series needs to be cancelled. 4 episodes in and plot is so slow. Dialogue is garbage and random bad shots. I could have made a better show than this snoozefest.
Sure 👌 whatever keeps your pee brain calm
@@BZman7 well, you are right. The dialogues and story telling are pretty bad. But I think that there are enough viewers who actually enjoy ROP or think it´s at least tolerable. And it is Amazon´s prestige project. But the show runners should listen to the critics and at least fire their script writers. They did a terrible job. This wouldn´t be the first show with a not so great first season.
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This is a horrible show. Numenor men made to look like they were ready to do a Jan 6th, Galadriel is the polar opposite of what she is like in the books or the movies or animation. So so so tired of all the Boss lady BS. Didn't real Men show up until the 3rd age?
"Like trying to compete with Heavy Spoilers" 😂. I came here straight from there. Love Paul, but you do a great job too, Good sir.👍
I'm always back and forth between Think Story and Heavy Spoilers but I can say, undoubtedly, that I watch 100% of what our guy here makes and then Heavy Spoilers comes on when I'm just dumb desperate and scrolling.
Ditto
100% agree, Think Story is the go-to
I watched Heavy Spoilers for other shows, and I'm not a fan of his forced jokes and puns that he drives into our skulls with an iron hammer. It's just too much for me 🙄
So… Benjen Stark moved to Middle Earth after the Night King and Whit Walkers were defeated, and decided to lead an army of Orcs 🤔🤣
"I'd like to speak to the manager" had me fucking dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh she's giving off major karen vibes. What did Amazon do to lady galadriel, we got a two dimensional stoic elf with zero grace, wisdom and charisma 🥲
Elrond found the passage by hearing the wind blowing through a gape. The words he spoke to unlock it were being said by Durin and Disas kids while he Elrond was questioning Disa about Durnins whereabouts. Great writing huh?
why was he wandering around dwarf caves anyway? And why wouldn't the dwarves have secrets from him? And nice teleporting back and forth from moria.
No horrendous writing like the rest of this trash
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No, that’s why they went to the Dwarves, for extra hands. The old dude told Eldron that he was in a hurry to finish the building by the Spring time, so of course they needed more help to do that. They are on a time line
Elrond gets the knocking code from the knocking game Durin's kids were playing.
Correction: It was the "Hall of Lore" not "Hall of Laws"
wow nice pickup. Everyone missed that
@@saudielbamber4227 had the subtitles on. Made it easier.
This show is dope I don’t get the hate.
There's no doubt the Eregion story line in this episode happens later on - after Elrond and Durin head out to Lindon (according to this episode) and the after the dwarves actually agree to work on Celebrimbor's new tower-forge - which may be an episode or two away...
As for the "spot the Sauron" challenge, I agree that none of the characters we have seen thus far are Sauron. My sense is that Halbrand will end up Witch King, the Stranger is a Blue Wizard (one of them), and Adar is the last unaccounted-for (in the lore) son of Fëanor whose hand (the one covered by the gauntlet here) was burned by holding one of the Silmarils.
We'll first see Sauron as Annatar - in the fairest of guises - before Season 1 is out and this will involve a timeline in which Celebrimbor is the first to meet him in person (i.e. before any of the Second Age scenes we've seen in the series thus far) since it's Sauron who's creating the urgency for the forge in Celebrimbor's mind.
lol
It could be true. Maglor Feanorian could be Adar because Celegorm, Carathir and Curufin died in Doriath (Second Kinslaying), Amrod and Amras died in Sirion (Third Kinslaying) and Meadhros only have a left hand because his right hand was cut off by Fingon to get off a cliff (he cast himself in lava river after stealing one of the Silmaril's). Therefore Maglor would be the only one left.
@@cubablue602 Both of his hands are shown in episode 7 when Galadriel is interrogating (threatening) Adar in the barn. They both look scarred, but one does not seem burned as opposed to the other.
I think Adar might be one of the elves who were taken and tortured to become the Orcs, hence his compassion with them, they ae his people.
he is the nicest guy in the show. G-lad is sauron.
nah , taken and tortured, and became the lord of orcs ?? , lol
I didn't notice until the end of the episode that they didn't show the "little people".....didn't miss them
Gosh I loved this episode. Feels like it’s starting to really find it’s pace.
100% I LOVE the pacing!! People complain about characters never getting their time to develop and worlds not being constructed effectively but when a show does it right they say it's boring wtf
Great review bro!!! Love the heavy spoilers drop. That guy must live on Red Bull and 2 minute naps. He gets into the bane of that mine where durin is by reciting what the kids were saying. The kids were playing games and kept saying the lite rhyme.
No, they are all on the same time line. The old dude said he was in a hurry and needed to finish the building by spring. That is why they went to the dwarves, they needed the extra help.
I like this channel far, FAR more than heavy spoilers. Thank you for doing it the way you do and not forcing cringey humor.
My theory is Adar fathered all of the orcs. The way he looked when he had to put down the dying orc. Seemed like he cared a lot.
well that would go against Tolkiens lore. Orcs were created through the breaking and maiming of elves.
@@MrNebelschatten Originally yes. Later on orcs multiply by unknown means according to the books.
@@beersmurff In his letters he said of course there are female orcs. Meaning they breed like everything else.
adar is the only sympathetic character in the show
@@debanydoombringer1385 Havent read the letters, I just know in Lotr they dont know how they multiply and in Silmarillion it's stated that orcs come originally from captured and tortured elves allegedly. Only makes sense they had female and male orcs work the mines for centuries, turning into orcs of both sexes and able to procreate. Dont like the Peter Jackson version of being made out of mud hehe
My theory on Adar is that since orcs were created by melkor taking and corrupting elves, maybe he was like one of the prototype ones and he wasnt fully transformed, so hes like half orc.
an immortal orc. man that's a nightmare
In the books Numenor fell because they imprisoned Sauron who corrupted them with his council (if i remember correctly).
Who was captured by Numenorians and stirs things up with his council?
Just like what ROP is doing to the works of Tolkien.
Galadriel...and Halbrand...
Psst. It’s Halbrand. 🤔🥳
Gal... the angry elf.
I think, based on that stupid "elves are taking our jerbs" scene (that is also lame metaphor for our immigration debate) that Halbrand is definitely Sauron. The oh so clever irony will be that a human destroys them instead of a guy playing an elf.
@@emin5488 that is funny...Mila Finch!!!
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The elf sang the song , and tapped out the rhythm, that the daughters of the dwarf were singing
Galadriel managing to shove four Numenorean guards into her cell (without even using any magic at all, by the look of it) and then make her way to the King's Bedchamber - without being detected by anyone on the way - really was jaw-dropping.
Jaw dropping..?
No.
Just ... oh no 🤦🏽♀️
Wow cant believe you caught so many nuggets from the trailers! Feels like I've seen the entire season
Just finished it, and its one of the better episodes so far
You do the beat videos. Appreciate your work. Thanx
The fire in the end is the volcano (mordor). Sauron has arrived…maybe even forged the one ring.
If you look at the soundtrack, almost the last song on it is called „true creation requires sacrifice“ so it‘s either celebrimbor forging the rings or Sauron.
He can't have forged it yet. It's the last one after he learns from Celebrimbor by helping make all but the Elven rings. No rings are forged yet because Sauron has a hand, at the forge in their making unless they are going to completely break the lore.
The Queen and Chancellor mentioned his noble heritage in Episode 3
The screenshot is so similar to HotD characters i literally clicked without realizing it was LOTR characters
"Like trying to compete with Heavy spoilers"
I burst out laughing cos yes Paul doesn't sleep, he has a video out for EVERY show the second it airs. But I more a fan of yours cos your few breakdowns are detailed and you don't force yourself to like every show just to appeal to everyone like Paul does.
Lmao the elves and heavy spoilers joke was hilarious 😂 love both channels
Love you and Heavy Spoilers! The first two channels I go to everyday ❤
Awesome explaining thanks thanks man appreciate you
1:35 😂😂😂😂😂 You guys are the best
They're not different time lines, as an editor of book manuscripts the problem with this writing is lack of real continuity. They are jumping back and forth between the time lines but it's weak writing.
And putting 1600+ years into one storyline. So it's like the show Vikings that had to compress 300 years of history into less than 20-30 years of show line.
I suspect that Helbrand is Sauron. Because according to lore Sauron was captured and imprisoned in Numenor. He somehow (probably through his silver tongue) went from prisoner to advisor to the King. It was he who advised the King to then send a grand fleet to Valinor to attack the elves. Isildur and nine other ships of the faithful were the only ones who disobeyed and fled to Middle earth. As punishment, one of the valar (the one in charge of the seas) caused the tsunami which kills the entire fleet and ultimately destroys Numenor. Sauron's body was destroyed too, but his spirit survived. So either its Helbrand or the current Councillor who's name escapes me. I of course could be very wrong and maybe they haven't captured sauron yet. And perhaps Helbrand wears that pendant with the Kings sigil cuz he (sauron) killed the king and is impersonating him? I had concluded it wasn't him at first but then the way he spoke to Galadriele while they were imprisoned brought back my suspicion.
If they follow the timeline Sauron should show up as Annatar bringing them the rings as gifts. He wasn’t captured until the battle afterwards where he became the high advisor in Numenor by his design
Well. That was an episode of a show. With actors and sets and a story.
The story part is debatable. The actors, too.
The intro segment was lit 💥
The scene where the Forge is getting constructed is obviously a sneak peak into the future which Elrond secured the Dwarves assistance and we gonna see why Durin doesn't get along with Celebrimbor as he says. We will see Durin going to Lindon and meet with Gil Galad and Celebrimbor
Hello, I am a Korean who likes RoP. I'm asking you a question as I watch episode 4. Miriel was able to become regent king because she had an anti-fairy political view unlike her father (King Tar-Palantir) (if not officially, at least officially). So in the drama, as of Episode 4, the crowd and politicians in Numenor are overwhelmingly anti-fairy. But at the end of Episode 4, once Miriel's speech (though of course it was great), the crowd volunteers for the army, and many politicians are in favor of the military expedition. I don't really understand this part. Was Miriel's speech so good that her speech turned the long-formed anti-fairy public opinion into pro-fairy public opinion? I wonder if there's anything I'm missing.
"anti-fairy" xD hahahah. I love that. I guess elves and fairies are similar.
I was wondering that myself.
No, you're right. The Numenoreans are descendants of the Edain or High Men, the Men who first travelled towards the west of Middle Earth and helped in the war against Morgoth. Their first king, Elros (Elrond's twin brother), was also from two "special" family lines. So, the Numenoreans consider themselves to be better than the other Men, and even better than the Elves. They're not going to the expedition out of the kindness of their hearts, they're going as a superior (military) power to help the poor Southerners. (Imagine some of the "humanitarian wars" we have seen in real life.) If you remember during the 4th episode, Pharazon's speech was all about how they have no reason to fear the Elves because they're the most powerful and special.
In Numenor are the records kept at the Hall of Laws or is it Hall of Lore?
No bullshit, no begging for likes straight to the plot.. good video
I wonder if theo isnt maybe the bustard son of halbrand and braunwin......perhaps knocking her up before fleeing
That kid is so annoying
@@rachreid8746 yes he is, but i think there is some interesting ways that the Prince of the kingdom of men could play a role in the future considering he has already show a gravitation towards the dark sword
Bro your breakdowns are the best 🏆💯❤️🔥
This episode came dangerously close to moving the plot forward in a meaningful way!
Ha ha, but they did manage to avoid telling us anything truly meaningful. Has there ever been another show with so little narrative progress, although we have seen by now FOUR full hours of ROP. Did the script writers contract long covid, which may have damaged the parts of the brain, which is important for story telling and writing good dialogues?? There are only four hours left to develop the plot! But maybe they saved the really interesting and important story lines for the second season ;) Maybe the show runners are elves for whom one season is less than the blink of an eye lid.
Hahahah
I don't know how they expect to have 5 seasons with storytelling this bad, and a pace slower than your hungover bus driver. If it takes 3 years to get good, or more likely 6 years with the scale of it. It's it even with watching at that point?
I am really exited for episode 5. I wanna know who’s the next manager that Galadriel needs to speak to 🧐
I imagined the fall of Numeneor would take a lot of time. Slowly turning the city black and horrible. A huge church to Melkor. Looks like the nice white city is getting flushed?
Or that's what they want you to think
It took roughly 1600 years from the forging of the rings till Numenor was destroyed. I imagine RoP will gather these 1600+ years into Season 1 and say it's few years or even months as most of the human characters in the show wasnt alive for another 1600 years when the rings were forged or when Sauron was captured by the elf-Numenor alliance.
@@beersmurff He wasn't captured by the alliance. He was destroyed by it and was unable to retake a solid form, hence the fire he appears as in the books. He's captured by Numenorens only and imprisoned by them, though I don't expect any of that to occur in this show.
@@Ween1776 That's according to Tolkien. It's a section in the Silmarillion.
@@debanydoombringer1385 Sorry i mixed things. First time he came in disguise yes. in 3262 SA however they did capture him and brought him to stand trial in Numenor, but they angered the gods by trying to sail to Aman and during the destruction of Numenor, he escaped back to ME.
The explosion of Mount Doom should be happening soon. That is why Mordor becomes a waste land of ash and Rock. Could be why you see everything covered in Ash
Makes perfect sense. That is what happens with volcanoes when they erupt; there is often a layer of ash they leave all around them. And Mt. Doom is a volcano.
@@erikabutler6893 Tidel wave is from the earthquake of the explosion? Also the intro seems to be very similar to seismic vibrations? Help us Erika Help Us!
@@SouthWestBadger It's a reference to an event mentioned in the appendices of RotK: After Numenor under Ar-Pharazon tries to conquer Valinor to obtain immortality, Eru Iluvatar (basically, God) makes the world round removing Valinor from the curvature of the earth, and sinks Numenor into the ocean.
So basically, what you're seeing is the end of Numenor. Referencing what you see, remember that Numenor has seawalls surrounding it, so as Numenor sinks the water begins to pour in from the seawalls.
@@erikabutler6893 WE HAVE TO WARN THEM!
The amour piece is the tree guards face isn’t it?
Elrond knows the riddle because he overheard the dwarve kids chanting it
It‘s still stupid
I think that this is the slowest moving show I've ever tried desperately to enjoy
You are much better then heavy spoilers
My money is a Blarog is the reason for the ashes and explosion in the south lands
This series is different to what I thought it would end up like. But a good different. This series is actually fun so far, I'm enjoying the characters for the most part, even in its down times it keeps just that bit of intrigue.
@Something Something Oh, wow. That was the *sickest burn* bro. I get the joke. No one is allowed to like anything that you don't like and if they do that must mean they're a garbage eater. The wit.
Hope they are not doing wat i think.
Queen & elendil & isildur leaves with galadriel. Leaving halbrand/sauron to corrupt pharazon leading to numenor's downfall.
Can't have a woman be responsible for numenor falling right?
It never was a woman who was responsible. It was Ar-Pharazon and his followers, along with Sauron.
As Erika states, it was Ar-pharazon who finalized the downfall. He took the queen as wife and took control. And when I say finalized, it's because Sauron started the corruption 16-1700 years before the actual fall. But this series is compressing 16-1700 years of history into roughly few months or years.
@@beersmurff More than that because that's it's fall from the forging of the rings which hasn't happened yet and won't this season.
When Galadriel wear the armor, her mind telling her "I'm Joan Of Arc, i have a message to Sauron, Yell now, Yell now....For the love of God."
Ok that it, time to throw my TV out da Window.
I'll be the first to say it....... I hope Sauron is hot 💀
How can you compete with heavy spoilers when you are so much better. And cover more things I watch.
I like how even the people who like the starting to lose faith. We tried to warn you long before. I recommend you cancel your prime until The Boys or Invincible comes back and go watch HOTD. At least so far HBO doesn't insult your intellect.
I feel like in a past life I was a Elf….I’m joking I love your break down ❤❤❤
Love Miriel as a character. Cynthia Addis-Robinson has done what few in the series have: show a character with depth. She demonstrates the stress of aligning again with Elves all the while knowing that the conniving Pharazon is seeking her ultimate demise. Also Galadriel’s arrogance towards the Queen Regent illustrates the attitude of the races towards each other: distrust. Btw, love Ismael Cruz’ Arondir’s stoic hero and Sophia Nomvete’ Disa. My two favorite characters thus far. Also, didn’t realize that Lenny Henry portrays Saduc. Great choice. Love the channel.
I haven't really attached myself to Arondir yet... or Bronwyn... I think they needed a flashback seen of how they fell for each other during lazier times or something. There was a little when she gives him the seeds and such but I just don't understand why she and he care about each other so much haha. Still I agree... Miriel, Pharazon and Elendil, even Isildur are all interesting characters now.. So are Elrond, Disa and Durin. Interesting arcs going on with Numenor and Dwarves/Elves. Getting better plot wise...
Uncle benjen became sauron🤣🤣🤣
Your video quality is so much higher than heavy spoilers and most of his video time is just his shitty puns...
I liked the heavy spoilers shoutout
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Haha, hey now…
I watch YOUR Recaps first FYI…!!!
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The actress who plays Gal is one note as hell.
I think the stranger is Annatar.
Thanks for this detailed breakdown! I think this new episode was great. Things seem to be escalating with each ep. Cant wait for the next one!
wow, u think it was good? jeez.. that's sad.
@@fayis4everlove let me guess… you are a screenplay writer lol 😂 I am really sure you are sitting in your couch… people complain about something that probably have no ability to say how they are going to so fix it
There are only three kinds of people who would say they like anything about this show: woke activists who judge a show only from the number of race swaps in it, teenage morons who would swallow up any piece of crap as long as it's flashy enough and wouldn't tell a Marvel cash grab from the original Star Wars trilogy, and someone taking money from Amazon to pretend he likes this pile of crap.
Which group are you a part of?
I liked this episode the most so far in terms of the progress of the story. Although the story writing comes cheap in some cases.
I liked it when she Ra said I have the power and then Darth Vader said I'm you father to her than she that's impossible.
good jokes my man!
Don't you think Adar is an Elf? Considering his pointy ears?
He is... but elves aren’t evil.
It makes NO SENSE
@@Persephone_Personified orcs were originally corrupted elves though. He seemed corrupted some how.
He is... he grew up or knew the same place Arondir was from they talk about it. He is an elf. Either corrupted by someone else or he decided to corrupt himself. It fits Tolkien lore. That kind of thing happened.
@@Persephone_Personified Not true. Evil elves exist in Tolkien lore. Technically they get kicked out of the club when they go baddie but they are still the same race. Just corrupted.
@@benjaminroe311ify your explanation makes sense
Dwarf King's crown looks pretty Nazgul. Adar = Witch King
The Nazgul are from the 9 rings given to human men. The Dwarves get 7, but they only make them greedy and don't put them under Sauron's control as he'd hoped.
I prefer your recaps to Heavy Spoilers 😁
When Elrond opened the hidden door I was like ?.?
We want episode 5 breakdown
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It’s like trying to compete with heavy spoilers 🤣😂🤣
Told you it was Mithril :)
Great breakdown, we like the connections to the LOTR. We can’t wait to see Sauron, the making of the actual “Rings of Power”. We learned of the three Elvin Ring-bearers in the movies, Galadriel, Elrond and Gandalf.Also looking forward to seeing the Seven Dwarf Lords and the Nine Kings who eventually become the Ringwraiths. Therefore, could Halbrand be one these Kings that is eventually corrupted by Sauron, after he creates the “One Ring” (in secret). Could Halbrand eventually become the Witch King?? We’re good if it’s he is not though. Basically, we’re totally liking this series very much however, we’re very biased of course, because we live in New Zealand. Lets all take care and, lets all be kind, I’m sure that’s what Professor JRR TOLKIEN (R.I.P) would want everyone to do. Pomarie (Good night) from NZ
The connection with LOTR? How? They break the canon with the palantir: the stones are not used to see the future
Gandalf is an elf?
@@yassienE4935 exactly what I was thinking🤔🤔! And he had a ring of power that was never seen or mentioned in the hobbit or LOTR movies.
@@lsubesteva It was written in the books but he is no elf!!!! And ecry other thing in the series is crap
As a non native English speaker, I don't know what book did you read. Pure nonsense. Stop preaching that this is what Tolkien would have wanted. You know nothing about Tolkien. He rejected modernity and his paradigma. This is just pure modernism and politics.
Since I have no idea who heavy spoiler is and I'm subbed to u, maybe not give him free advertising
You'll always be my favourite....Paul be dammed 😄
8:22 that was the rythme the dwarf kids were singing
First off, my spelling stinks so I may be typing these names incorrectly! My apologies up front. Second, this is just an opinion, I’m not an expert like this guy is. Sometimes I just see things a different way. Ok, here goes:
Isn’t Strider (Aragon) from LOTR movies, Isildor’s heir? Doesn’t the very first Fellowship movie show The King of Gondor and his son Isildor fight and destroy Sauron? That’s how he got the ring of power. It was also said the Numenor people had longer lives than common men, in the Extended edition of The Two Towers. So I think Adar already planted the idea of the rings before this series started, probably during the battle to destroy Morgath is how he received his injury to his face. That may be why he said something about the elves hiding a part of their history. I bet the furnace is going to be the same as the one shown in the Hobbit/Smaug movie. Or very similar to it. I think the stranger is a wizard (blue wizard) that begins the order of wizards like Gandalf is in.
Sauron, disgused as an Elf who is extremely attractive and is very nice, gets Celebrimbor to create the rings by claiming to want to learn and challenging his skill. Sauron imbues them as he helps create them. He then forges the One Ring in the fires of Mordor. Isildor is the king of Gondor and it's his father, Elendil (spelling), and Gil-Galad with him when he cuts Sauron's finger off. His father is king of both Gondor and Arnor, ruled by his brother. That's the role Aragorn fills. Numenorens were blessed by Eru (god) for helping in the war against Morgoth with being like Elves, just not immortal. They did live for hundreds of years. It was also founded by Eros, Elrond's brother who chose to live as his human half while Elrond chose to live an Elven life. Aragorn is also a descendant of Eros (as is Isildor) which means he's got Elven ancestry.
Edit: All of that is from Tolkien's books and much of it doesn't appear to be in the show.
@@debanydoombringer1385 Aah! I thought it was Elrond who was with them when they cut off Sauron’s fingers. But the movies probably changed several things around and I bet the show is doing something like that too. I will check out the books more, I’ve heard them referenced not only in this video but in others as well. I’m really digging the new series, it gets the imagination fired up and gives people like me a better glimpse into the Tolkien world that I had such a hard time reading in the actual book series. I had to read parts of The Hobbit twice to get the gist of certain “scenes”, but considering I was only 12 the first time I tried getting into it, it was a little too complex for my age.🤗🤭
Ray Harryhausen.
Magnificent!
Wonderful humble genius.
One man: 50s, 60s, 70,s cinematic magic.
All one man: if it was spectacular, it was Ray Harrhausen..
Creations the pathos of which could make an audience weep.
All on a shoestring budget.
Stupid billion dollar Rings of power could have learned from him; but are unable - because Ray Harryhausen was an old white heterosexual man who put entertainment and audience first!
I really liked this episode
That scene where she's on mars is probably the ship exploding, I base this off nothing.
The ship exploded in the middle of the harbor. Galadriel is on land in the middle of the village in the trailer shot.
@@scubadawgy The perfect decoy.
I reluctantly started watching this series and I like it better than I thought I would despite the many nay sayers. However, there seems to be a dearth of magic. I thought Elves were suppose to be magical entities and so far I have seen very little if any magic by them. The only thing that denotes them being elves is their ears. I laughed out load when the reviewer said Jayze had more rings than he had seen in this show. Hilarious. Where is the magic?
Adar just a creation of the producers. He‘s not in the books. He‘s a corrupted elf who will probably end as Angmar the Witchking or nothing
Or the lost brother of Feanor, which is actually mentioned in the books, but without a name.
My favorite part is when Galadriel picked up Thor’s hammer while holding Captain America’s shield. Then John Wick said, “she’s worthy” while she battled Thanos for the infinity stones.
I never understood comments like these. Is this supposed to be funny?🧍
My favorite part is when you get a job, get a life, become a real man, and lose some weight
@@Terry_Bell Lol, triggered.
@@__Oku__ Very funny. 👍🏻
@@__Oku__ Must be an incel thing. The real joke is what they have between their legs 😂 no wonder why no woman takes them seriously🥲
04:19 He is Vladimir Putin of Middle-earth
The timeline in this show is either a mess or at least confusing as hell.
All that city stuff is boring as hell!!! The mines is mid the boy with the sword and the orcs is the best part. I'm just not feeling this show the movies had me hooked hopefully next week episode is better.
I might sound like a nerd but I can't stand the way he pronounces Ilsildor it's EEL SEAL DOOR not IS ILL DOOR
Adar = Witch King
No Nazgul are Elves. They are all men. Sauron had made 9 rings he gave to men, 7 to Dwarves, and Celebrimbor created the 3 for the Elves without Sauron's knowledge.
It's Hall of Lore, not Hall of Laws
Are there any black orcs or is that not allowed?
Saying it again on every breakdown channel of this show.....Theo is going to be the witch king
fate: the winx saga season 2 please!!!
Overall so far this thing is Tolkien-esque at its best & rather insulting to the detailed literature mythos Tolkien left us...
This doesn't even feel Tolkien-esque. Where's the wonder, mystery, magic, poetic dialogue, and banter? All we got is a cheap series, quality-wise 🥱. The pacing is waaaaay too slow and the characters are meh.
Great breakdown as always. By this episode, I am starting to feel the series is losing momentum, largely because of the excellent pacing set by LOTR but also dragged down by a poor set of supporting cast. The series is being carried by Galadriel and Arundir (and possibly Elendil) but when the others came on screen, the energy and tension fizzled out. In comparison, the cast in House of the Dragon are significantly much better quality although the pacing there is also starting to suffer. Elrond is such a key character and could have been better casted.
The show rests on Galadriel shoulders but my god does she do a poor job at caring it… Her character is extremely unlikable and just a nuisance. This show is not good by any means, not even as something seperate from LOtR
I'm sorry but this version of Galadriel (Elrond too 😭) is kind of boring, she lacks the conviction, grace, and charisma that "Peter's Galadriel" had. The rest of the casts are pretty as well, except the halflings (I love that plot more, there's a lot of mystery. Plus the girl and her best friend are funny). Just in general the pacing of this series is waaaay too slow and there's no banter or even a sense of wonder 🥲
@@Grandmas_Favorite My goodness she's the total opposite of Peter Jackson's LoTR Galadriel. I know that she's supposed to be young and free spirited in this timeline, but why such drastic changes to her personality and character? Why is she always tight lipped with her jaw clenched and shoulders squared? Where's the graceful, wise (I know wisdom comes with age but she's not exactly young in this timeline, she's like around a thousand years old), charismatic Galadriel that we know and love?
Nah i think House if the dragon is kinda weak they’re just trying to replicate the first few series of GOT from what ive seen not very original.I actually think Galadriel an the reliance on her is a weakness i much prefer seeing Elrond and the dwarfs, they’re building up many characters an myths at the moment so we have to be patient
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 I agree HOTD is losing steam as we approach the midway point; no way near the intensity and pacing of GOT. Hopefully the 2nd half will be better, with new lead actors coming in.