New Old Jointer/Planer: Kity 636
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I found a very good deal for a Kity 636 Jointer/Planer combination on eBay, to replace my current one. It has a wider cutter head (25 cm), a VERY powerful motor and an overall much better build quality.
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Enjoy the video!
Like a german friend always told me, If it's green and heavy, than it is a great machine.
Actualy its surprisingly lightweight.
A lot of very neat solutions to the problems you faced in this very interesting project!
Thanks John!
That's a great looking machine. I would never have the confidence to drop 400 euro on a secondhand purchase off ebay in case it turned out to be a dud.
I have the modern equivalent built in china but it still works well. Try not to lift it by the tables though. I made a set of handles for mine with two long wooden 'bars' that were screwed into the main body where the tables attach. You can then do the equivalent lift but without stressing the tables.
Looking up Kity 636 I found mention of it as a current model in a 1992 issue of American Woodworker. Your machine's styling looks older to me than that, but looks on industrial grade machines aren't a big concern to manufacturers, so don't give that much weight.
Nice machine, sweet build. Looks sharp.
Hello Kity!
Eine richtig schöne alte Maschine und ich mag es, wie durchdacht sie ist.
Deine upgrades sind wieder gut und funktionell.
Glückwunsch zur Anschaffung!
very clever .. and i love jointer planer but i dont have one.. hope some day i can get one.
Looks very similar to the old Inca 570. Built like a Swiss watch.
ممتاز عقليه ممتازه ولها كل تقدير واحترام ونرجو المزيد والمزيد من الفديوهات المفيده فى صيانت المكينات النجاره
I have an Inca jointer/planer that is amazingly similar to yours
Eine sehr schöne Maschine hast du da! Sehr kompakt und trotzdem sehr kräftig! Ich nutzte die gleiche Maschine wie du zuvor hattest. Die ist wirklich nicht der Hit, demnach kann ich den Wechsel sehr gut nachvollziehen 😄
Nicht der Hit, das ist aber noch sehr hübsch beschrieben :)
You are so brilliant I feel dumb when I watch your videos. :P
weird, I've just bought the exact same Kity 636 combo P/T of ebay. I'm in the process of looking for a 2 pole single phase 2hp motor. The cutter head subs at 7000 rpm, the pulley on the cutter is 50mm therefore you need a 150mmm pulley on the motor.
My motor has 2800rpm and a 120mm pulley. That speed work good. If you can, get a even more powerful motor, you won't regret.
Hello! The company that made this was bought by Scheppah. I think everyone has seen what "good quality" tools makes this company! Also in Germany another company, Elektra Bekum, that made stuff like this planner was bought by Metabo and the same happend. I dont think you could buy machines like this at hobby level. Now sheet metal and plastic is cheaper , lighter and easier to produce. And also the chinese only have to change the color or the stickers on them.
Hi. It's amazing all the staff that you do! I bought a Kity 5 sistem last year and I want to build the same (brilliant) table. Can you help me with some plans? Thank you!
Really liked your intro-gag! Nice machine you got there, but now I got a question - Which kind of surface finish did you use on the playwood on top of your cart? I'm watching other woodworker-channels on UA-cam too, but I'm always lost in the aisle in the local shop. As you're also German, I'd like to know wich product you used and if it is compatible with stain?
Thanks for your time!
It's a water based flooring varnish (also used for staircases). Got it from Hornbach. If you have a look at my Instagram profile, I posted a photo of that finish there.
Thank you for your quick response :)
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Hi Marius was passiert jetzt mit deiner alten abrichte verkaufts du die oder bleibt die erstmal bei dir ich suche nämlich schon lange nach eine Kombi Maschine
Nice job on improving your new jointer/planer. Looks like your shop is complete. Any plans to build some furniture?
What, complete? Not even close ;) But more than good enough for building something, next project has already started (kinda furniture)
great sense of humour!
Looks like a great machine Marius, compact enough for a small workshop but obviously higher quality than the consumer stuff.
What problems did you have with your previous planer? I've been looking at that model, the price is obviously attractive since I don't have a whole lot of use for one but occasionally do jobs where I'd really like one - hand planing large pieces can be a bit of a chore.
Thanks
You are running out of room! I have trouble working in a one car garage, you seem to have half that space and accomplish a lot!
Motor is a beast....doesn't even flinch when put the wide side through.
Oh yeah, I love it.
The motor looks a lot like it is actually a re-purposed direct drive table saw motor (note the extra flat construction & how the mounting flange goes away to the side and rear - that's to increase the effective cut depth - and all standard industrial motors have a nameplate). Probably leaning more towards the 4 kW (5 1/2 HP) mark. Very nice setup!
Pscht, neue Drehe sah man ja schon auf Instagram. Soll die deine Drechselbank komplett ersetzen?
nein
thank you now i know what you've been up to
Way cool machine!! Your videos are awesome!!
Great video. You make me jealous, even your old jointer/planer was better quality than the one I'm using, and this thing is a beast. And it's so quiet. For some reason, mine can be heard from about 200m down the street when it's working hard. I would have been a bit interested to know how the height adjustment mechanism works. Sounds like a chain?
It's quiet because I always lower the volume of my tools in the videos, more enjoyable to watch. And yes, the table has four threaded rods in each corner, connected with a chain
10:00 your dust collection stop is in the way of sliding... just saying. good job with upgrades anyway :D
Hi
Great videos. I have the same machine. But it definitely needs a deep cleaning and fine tuning...
Still happy with yours ? Take care !😉
yes, it does a good job.
Really nice work in adding your own "extras". Simple but clever designs!
Hello Marius!.Thank you for the informative video.I will try to buy the same machine.Please let me know the size and weight of machine without motor.Good luck in your business.
Nice machine.
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zur "neuen" Maschine!!! Wie immer ein tolles und informatives Video. Profi-Werkzeug für einen professionellen Woodworker! Immer wieder interessant und schön anzusehen welche tollen Ergebnisse Du bei all deinen Sachen/Projekten erzielst.
Ich glaube ich würde deine Videos sogar vom Anfang bis zum Ende schauen wenn sie eine Stunde lang währen :) 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Do they not sell Crescent wrenches in Europe? Gee whiz, I've got an adjustable wrench within easy reach in my KITCHEN. And easily six within reach of my table saw. :D
I’ve got the same machine and I am really happy with it!! It’s probably been built in the seventies... a question for you: how do you know if the blades screws are tighten enough?? I whish I could know how much I need to tighten, ideally with a torque wrench.... I you have any suggestion, Please let me know. Thanks
I don't really know. But I'd say you can tighten them as hard as you can by hand with the normal size wrench. Not really a good measurement, but you should not be able to break anything through that.
That’s already an indication, thanks a lot!
How did you adjust the tables? I have the same achine and I just didn't get things right.
how do you have the time and patience for setting up a machine. very impressive tune up
I have the opportunity to buy this old jointer with the matching table saw for about 300€. Would you say that’s a good deal?
Kitty is well known manufacturer.
Definitely it's better than woodstar.
Hope ut serve you well.
Cabanaz I wouldn't buy it for my shop that's 100% I have al SCM mashines. But for his situation (lack of space) is quite upgrade.
Hallo Marius, klasse Video!
Bin nun auch an eine 635 gekommen. Leider mit Motor auf der Seite.
Angefixt von deinen Baukünsten will ich den Motor auch gerne unter die Maschine "verbannen"...
Könntest Du mir bitte mitteilen wo man den größeren Flachriemen bekommt? Müsste so 1000mm lang sein, oder?
Beste Grüße
Wolfgang
Marius you just keep up with the good work you do.
Man i remember buying my first cheap planer/thickness not so long ago..It felt like i have 10 employees already:-)
You will have great times with that machine. They were made in France, most of them were made on the simple idea to use one single motor to power many machines. They were also manufacturing bigger machines with their own motor. I own a 20 yo table saw of this brand (a Kity 619) and a planer/jointer Kity 637. Both a awesome machine very reliable. I bought my saw for 400€ with 6 blades (up to 270/300mm blades just work fine), a rear outfeed table, a side table to rip up to 1000m wide sheets, and a cross cut sled with a 1200mm bar. The planer is quite similar, the tables are 260mm wide, 1200mm long, and can joint up to 250mm. I add a digital scale on it to ease reading the thickness I'm aiming for. Enjoy.
Look on Ebay to fing in UK very low priced jointer blades, I found a pair of 260mm knives for around 20€. A french e shop may also help you to find parts for these old ladies..
Last month I bought a version of your old planer... It's powerful enough but the safety pad that came with it sucked. Ended up pushing it through with my hands and chopping the end of my fingertip off. Sad times.
Safety should be the primary use when using these machines and not the finished wood. I even use push sticks with the band saw.
All it takes is one slip and a bad accident can happen. Stay safe.
I wish we had household 3 phase here :(
Yeah, you need an expensive converter to run 3-phase stuff here unless you are in an industrial location.
Building a rotary phase converter isn't that complicated.
Mainly you need a large three phase motor and some capacitors.
If you live somewhere close to France and are able to understand some French you might want to start a search on leboncoin.fr. This is a really popular site in France to sell and buy second hand stuff. And as Kity is of French origin (as postet below) your chances are pretty good to find a 636 there.
Great fun to watch your videos, Marius and to see the progress you are doing in filmmaking!
Nice video Marius. Looks like a great condition for 20yrs old. Did you have 3 phase power already or get it installed for this machine.
I hope you are keeping well by the way. You have been quite quiet.
What switch did you use for the motor. I have a 3 phase 5hp motor and I want to find the cheapest starter for it.
This one: www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01M8IXBL0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You can make a lot of sauerkraut with that machine .
The sawzall is cute little toy we use for repairs only and a 7 1/4 "circular saw to cut material up .
sawzall wins because it's battery powered. Quicker than pulling out the circular saw.
Quieter, too, and it doesn't throw the sawdust as vigorously.
I just bought a Ridgid Circ saw that uses the same 18v battery as my other tools. I was worried that it would not have the power to deal with serious cutting. It's like using a lightsaber! Honest to god, I'm almost 50 years old and I'm so stupidly happy with this thing I practically want to sleep with it at night. I used to dread dragging out my old corded CS and now I find reasons to use it.
Marius, it's been a few years since you posted this. Is this machine worth buying now for around £400? I'm a bit nervous about spares. Are you managing?
I think it's still worth it. So far I didn't need any spare parts. But make sure everything is complete and in a very good condition
@@MariusHornberger Thanks Marius. I missed out - waited too long. This is the item I was looking at: www.gumtree.com/p/power-tool-combo-kits/kity-wood-combination-machine.-including-planer-thicknesser-saw-bench-and-spindle-moulder.-/1354114892
Very nice joiner/planer, but that blade guard seems like a pretty useless accessory. Considering you're at least borderline genius, I bet you could make a better blade guard system for it. Maybe one which swings to the side like most jointers have.
Marius,
Your designs and builds are quite uniquely intuitive and fun to watch. The extend of your knowledge and abilities is quite impressive and far above your age. Your knowledge of mechanical engineering and industrial design is really remarkable. You must be a mechanical engineer.
Impressive videos and productions... Kudos!
Thank you for the great sense of humor that you have and for these shows.
I liked the disappearing-reappearing bit (lathe).
All the best.
Thanks man!
Wonderful buy, lucky you. I hope you have many years of use from it. And I am not jealous.....I'm not...really I am not,,,,Okay yes I am
5:14 9/10 form
Hey Marius. How is the thickness planing quality on this machine? Are you getting much snipe/tearout? I am currently looking at one in good condition. Your video makes it very appealing!
u cant believe me but, i found this sets (plannar, mosture, table saw, router) in turkey, in a smallshop. nowadays, im trying to forcing him for sell.. :)
Edit: He did not sell those to me :(
einfach nur faszinierend. Danke für die Einblicke in eine Abricht-Dickenhobelmaschine. Ich bewundere deine Fähigkeiten.
Hello, I just bought a kity 636 and the planing plate tilts 2 millimeters to the right, do you know if this plate is adjustable and how? thanks in advance.
Excellent! My old 636 has started to not want to feed the timber while thicknessing, can you suggest what I need to look at? Thanks.
I had a similar machine when I first started woodworking. It was an 8" (200 mm) jointer planer by Jet. Your's looks to be of higher quality than mine, but the dust collection set was always EXTREMELY annoying and I replaced it after a year.
I am a bit surprised to hear you bought that machine for 400 E.... I bought a Makita 2030N for 400 USD. Much bigger machine with a 5' jointer bed. Are tools in Europe just a lot more expensive than the US?
its an economy of scale thing US tool market is a lot larger more tools sold= lower price's
also we have been depleting our forests for a lot longer so wood costs more the deals are out there just got to look for em though
Slightly off topic, but could you tell how that router set up is? That's amazing.
Nice build by the way 🤘
Hi Marius, I have the same model but no dust collector attachment. If you still have it could you send some photos of the attachments as I would like to try to make one? Thanks.
cool video
I have the same machine, mine also has a horizontal drill/panel saw and molder that you can activate by changing belts (they are separate machines mounted on a table with only one motor).
She works really great, it's nice to see that there are more people who have this brand.
I believe it’s a brand from the Scheppach group.
How well does the molder perform? That's the only other machine that could be useful in my shop (once it's big enough to allow for that)
It performs pretty well for such small one because it has a 1.5hp motor(3 HP in your case) the downside is that is only has a 15mm (or 16mm I can check that for you) but with the right spacing rings I use molders that need a shaft size up to 30mm. it has a really nice adjusting system for the molder height.one other great feature is
that is has a slot in the table to use the sled from a table saw, so you can cut counter profiled tenons. If you want to I can take some pictures during the weekend, or if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
bart b hi m8 I have just bought same thing.and have to put it all back together due to transportation lol .You have to twist the belt to operate boulder don't you.?
Dear, I bought one myself and plan to restore it verry soon.
Do you have any plans available for the belt guard ?
Thanks a lot for your answers
Hi. Marcus i want ask what RPM has your cutting head. I also have kity but 635 and need to set correct drum speed on new pulley. I check at kity manual and there is motor pulley 125mm dia, drum pulley 50mm dia, and motor speed 3000RPM. I check and it gives 7200RPM at this set. But on my original kity cutting head write 7000RPM MAX. And what speed u have ?
BTW
I also upgrade to knurl feed roller and multi v-groove belt
My cutterhead speed is about that rpm.
You have-3 phase power in your home?
Mrjacksmp Ohio
Many people in Europe have 3-phase. Including me (Sweden)
+Mrjacksmp Ohio
Three phase is not common but people can get a three phase supply in some european countries but it is not standard.
Hello i would like to ask.Is it any better thanthe small thickness planer you had before?
Yes, in every way better
@@MariusHornberger maybe i should get one too....i have one like theone you had....but it leaves marks and not the most accurate machine in the word...
if it is old, big, green and heavy it is good machinery
kity is good planer, i had that exact planer
Buona sera, Marius - Tu hai una 635 0 636 da vendere o conosci qualcuno che vuole venderla? Io sono in Italia. Grazie
What is cutting diameter of this kity 636 drum ?
Congrats on the new jointer, and thank you for the walk through on its features and your upgrades.
Hi Marius. Is it 3d printed the height limiter for the thicknesser? If that's the case, could you please share the STL file on your thingiverse page? Thanks in advance.
Now I feel bad, I just bought similar jointer you've had before getting a new one. Well...I'll wait for more subs then :)
Thanks for another awesome video Marius!
Beautiful work. Well done! Please get some proper push blocks for passing boards over the jointer head. You have a long future in wood working and need your hands intact.
Ohh! A Kity 636 in Germany?! (fun fact: Kity is now owned by Scheppach)
Such a lovely machine, it would break my heart if I had to sell mine...
That motor is huge! :o It must be twice the weight of the 636! lol
Your “new” planer/jointer appears very much reminiscent of the old-and discontinued-Swiss Inca tools. They were well engineered. There appears to some subtle and not so subtle differences. After some for 40 years I sold the Inca tools and bought a Felder 531 Pro. Excellent combo tool, but there are times that I miss the Inca tools. Well made, light and easy to move around the shop-and the country.
Hi Marius, your jointer is in a very good shape. I just bought a 636 for 100 EUR (in really bad condition off course and a few missing parts). Could you tell me what the length/dimension of the small belt is, please?
Thank you for review....I have found similar machine, just a little bit older and I have got a circular saw to...all for 400€....top. If it's not a problem,in what part of Germany you live?
Your old jointer/planer looked like something out of a Little Tykes toy set, but this newer one looks like a great option if someone is short on space! Good width, too (25 cm = 10")! I think an 8" is the biggest I've seen with a benchtop model before I saw this one! In fact, this is probably as good of a benchtop model as I've seen...most of the other ones I've seen look like buyer's traps: cheap to buy but ultimately a waste of money.
Increíble máquina, enhorabuena, saludos desde España
Really nice & creative job of upgrading and setting it up. I was wondering what the advantages over that previous Chinese machine you had are? I see some: blade width 25cm vs. ~20cm (15?), seems to be you feel the Kity is more powerful...did the Chinese machine struggle with full width boards?, table is a little longer so could keep workpieces from tipping, fence looks somewhat sturdier but you had to fix the squareness, it can plane larger pieces underneath?, gears inside are mostly metal whereas I guess the Chinese one are all plastic? and it has the dual speed if you move the belt on the pulley. But both have aluminum/light tables, both have somewhat similar means (various knobs) of adjusting the configuration. What look like disadvantages to me are the external motor and belt takes space and the motor requires special mounting and looks complex and overall the whole set up is larger and heavier.
All of that said, was the Chinese machine that much worse? I mean, was the end result ok, a square and smooth piece of wood? Is the difference more in terms of pleasure-to-work-with than the results? What was the main reasons you decided to switch machines?
Hey the official Kitty motor's only go up to 2 horse power, it feels like more due to it being three phase motor's wich have way more torque, compared to single phase motors. Great Little machine I just bought a combination Table with the 635 included.
just bought a Kity 636 £50 or 60 Euro, working wish it had some of the add on bits but its great for the job I have was worried I might not get a manual for it but your Video tells me all I need to know. I like to comment it its Green and heavy its good!
Oh, dear, now there's going to be a run on eBay and elsewhere to find and snap up those old Kity 636 machines. I can kiss goodbye any chance of snagging one cheap. Marius, you should do commercials because now you've made me (and others, no doubt) want to buy one of those.
I bought an inca machine, similar. The stand is 2x4’s screwed together and it weeble wobbles like crazy. Your stand looks way more solid. I think I’ll copy that.
Since i have an almost same kind/type of machine that i really want to use but i've messed up the ac motor, and it need a replacement ac motor.
May i know the specific and details about the motor that you've mount on your machine please?
Thankyou so much.
By the way good work.
👍👍👍
Picked up a complete Kity 636 for 300 euro's were i was very very lucky! It also has the original frame under it. It was from the son of the 1e owner :) eager to get it to use but first have to fit some weels under it :)
You are really cute. Love your work!
What you didn't built one? What would Uncle Mattias say about that? :-D
Hi there! I got a kity 636 also but the tables are sagging in the middle, maybe due to be carried around by the table ends. Do you know how to setup the tables in order to make them co-planar?
I showed that seetup a little bit in the cutterhead upgrade video
Very talented young man, thanks for the post
Just bought one of these today 50 GB Pounds !! Boy was that a lucky find. I remember these when they were first made and I was jealous of those who could afford them.
Hi might be a silly question but what is the machine you used to cut your box joints and tenons
I hope you can help me I have just purchased a Kity joiner planer shaper, mine is not the same as yours. I can't find any information on them. Where can I go to learn about them and purchase needed parts?
I'm sorry, but I have no idea.
I got a similar machine and decided to fix it, do you know if there should be some kind of bushing betweek the plastic wheel tat moves with the large wheel (the one with holes) and the metal of the machine??
I can get one for 200€ should i get it? The condition is ok one belt and the dustcollection is missing. Yeah and it MUST be cleaned.
Marius, can you please provide the make and model of the planer / jointer you just replaced? thank you.
Do you know anything about the motor? The logo looks distinctively Russian or East European.
My old school had a big Kity planer/Jointer, it sounded like this: MMMMWMMMMMMM
I loved that sound :)
Im from Kuwait and l have 5 machines same it still new but old stock .. l can ship worldwide
Nice work Marius. What camera are you using .... still the one you just received. Later