Shelix Cutterhead Upgrade for my Kity 636 Jointer/Planer
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2018
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Installing this cutterhead was quite an adventure!
Video about testing and reviewing the cutterhead: • My Shelix Cutterhead R...
Video about the machine and its cart: • New Old Jointer/Planer...
I bought my cutter-head here: www.holbren.com/byrd-shelix-f...
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I won't!
I know, I'm a rebel 😉
Where did you get the belt?
Why is the sound so bad, usually you were spot on. Either cant hear anything or its blasting the windows out my office
Dismantling this type of machinery is very complicated, but when you know how to do your own maintenance is cheaper ... the only problem is if you perfer in the middle of so many parts. Congratulations on your skills.
I'm from Brazil and I follow him a long time.
Online, I just searched for Poly-V belts
Ambitious project. Hats off to your Dad pitching in.
Marius, absolutely fantastic work you two did bringing new life to the old machine! I’m sure you and your father enjoy working together! As a father myself, I know he is very proud of his son!
Wow! What persistence! All these issues and how you dealt with them are why we love watching you. Just clearly such a time consuming, intensive project but the end result, and the process of achieving it, are awesome.
Marius, a year from now, you will be loving this upgrade and will have forgotten the pain it was to upgrade. I went through a similar exercise with my Dewalt 735 a couple of years ago and I still feel good every time I use it. Trust me, you will be glad you did it later. Great video and excellent editing.
You have a wonderful dad indeed and he has a superb son. Happy Father’s Day on Sunday . Stay safe love watching your videos I have a hammer c331 with the extension table and dado cutter. Thanks for your help getting the blade off and putting on my dado cutter. I have the planer and thicknesses on my machine and just started to teach myself wood working having fun watching your videos you are so clever .
Incredible.
The old men that made that machine would rise up and shake your hand with respect, if they could, I'm sure! You took a used piece of history, and with the help of your father, brought it into the new millennium!
The fond memories you made with your Dad are worth the price of admission alone. Every time you use that machine, and run your fingers over that super-smooth finish the Shelix make, a part of you will remember those hours spent with your father... An incredible project! Kudos, for working through all the challenges.
Thanks for sharing this!
That is really great that your father was able to assist you with this project. Hey I would have loved to watch the turning of the part.
Hey Marius, thanks a lot for posting this vid. I recently inherited a kity 635 from my long since passed away dad. It had a broken bearing on the cutter head and I had no idea how to fix that. Your video gave me lots of good ideas on how to dismantle the 635 and change the bearing. I didn't expect to find anything you've on the subject but you gave me just what I needed. Thanks a lot man and keep up the good work!
I like the dedication to getting this done, and it's super cool you have a father (and the tools) to make those new pullies and roller!
Very well done! What a huge amount of work. Your jointer/planer is now perfect.
I have a kity 636 and this film is brilliant. I just spent two days levelling the bed to the spindle!! Thanks 👍
This was a fantastic video! As always, I laughed at your outtakes. I speak another language and find myself pausing to think of the correct technical words; you do this wonderfully. There was a considerable amount of effort required, but thank you for demonstrating that patience and ingenuity will succeed.
I have to give it to you chap - well done! Really, this is impressive for anyone let alone a younger man like you. Brilliant!
Good job. I have an old dewalt thickness planer that has old cutting blades that nick easily, this is exactly why I haven’t upgraded to the new cutters. You are incredibly knowledgeable in your woodworking skills for your age. Fast learner and good teacher combination I suspect. You make the middle aged guys on you tube look like bragging novices. Keep it up, I love your channel.
Wow that was a lot of work! In the long run, I'm sure you'll be happy with the results though! Regarding the press fit, that's how I used to install bearings in first (Rabbit) and second generation VW Golf rear drum brakes: We'd put the bearings in the freezer over night, and then heat the drums in the oven to 500F. The bearings would drop right in. No fuss, no muss.
Dear Marius, thank you for posting such an interesting video, although I am very much past the age when one can actually embark in these adventures, I enjoy watching IMMENSELY, moreover I find the cooperation with your dad very rewarding: father and son doing things together like good friends, is such a wonderful sight.
I too do things with my sons as frequently as our routines allow, nothing pleases this crusty old codger more
I have been visiting your channel from time to time, with the greatest pleasure ALWAYS, since I like your way of DOING as much as your way of THINKING.
Allow me to express my appreciation for your skills and your general attitude and I am old fashioned enough to say what a great credit you are for your parents and others who have given you direction in you formative years.
Thank you again for these enthralling documentaries, they beat regular TV hands down. Auf wiedersehen.
Thanks a lot for these nice words!
Great video. I'd adjusted my Robland x31 combination woodworking machines planer thicknesser in the past. Even adjusting it took a long time. I'll not be upgrading the cutterhead any time soon! Loved all the lathework and tips you showed.
Wow, I don’t know what’s more impressive. The workmanship or the patience!?
A staggering amount of work. Really nice machine. Like the problem solving as you took things apart. It makes me love our 508mm Martin Joiner/Surfacer (German), with Tersa tooling.
I live in Amarillo Texas. And I love watching your videos. So impressed with your knowledge. Keep giving us videos.
LOL The mark of a good mechanic, extra parts. Excellent video.
So viel Können, so viele Kenntnisse, so viel Werkzeug, um das alles anzuwenden. Großartig.
Aber nichts zum schmieren :(
LOL! left over screws! That was funny!
Amazing work as always!
The upgrade must of been such a pain in the ass........BUT you must have learned something interesting, and i think viewers saw an amazing bit of work you and dad did making new parts and fixing the unit in general. I was riveted to the video to see how it was all going to turn out......your dad is amazing in his ability with the lathe....Such a well done job .... Kudos to you and dad ... thanks for showing this!
Great job. Great video. I look forward to when you have more time to produce more. Thanks for sharing.
Serious props for follow-through. When you found the roller problem, my stomach just rolled over and my heart sank. I've been there more times than I'd like on a frustrating project and it's just so dis-heartening. I don't know if you're that cheerful in real life, but you had good camera-face. :-) Stiff upper lip and all that. Also, thank your dad personally for me. Just turning the v-groove hub was a lot of work, then you had to bother him for the roller too. It was appreciated by a great many people as well as his son, I'm sure.
Very nice words
Indeed very nice words! I did off camera tests first, but actually stayed pretty calm when I noticed that big issue...
But my dad also really likes figuring out solutions to problems. There's nothing that can't be fixed!
'Stiff upper lip' - does that make Marius an honorary Brit? :)
It was intended just to get a cheap chuckle, but if you can find a Brit to give him honorary status, so much the better! I can only make him an honorary 'merican, and that position has been heavily devalued lately. ;-)
You have done a great job
Thank so much .
I learned a lot from this video.
I like your honesty of telling us the dark side of the the process, so I have got a clear picture of such upgrading and should we prepare for.
I think it's very important to tell the dark side ( or as some call it: the truth)
Claiming one of those screws in the cutter-head to be my contribution ;)
That machine is beautiful. I know it was not worth it in the end to upgrade but Im glad I got to see the process and how you worked through the challenges. This is exactly the type of project Patreon backing makes possible on UA-cam. There have been countless instances on many channels I follow where a project would not have happened without Patreon. This video and the trials and tribulations covered herein will help many people whether it be working on this machine specifically or on similar machines. Thank you Marius and Dad!
Thanks, but in my opinion the upgrade was totally worth it
@@MariusHornberger Oh okay. I guess I just figured it wasn't worth it because you said you wouldn't recommend doing this upgrade on this type of machine.
Amazing dedication, teamwork, and video.
Marius, I am glad I found this video. My Menz Shed recently traded up from a DeWalt thicknesser to a 15" MACMA thicknesser with helical head, and I am not happy with the finish as it gets similar marks on the timber. I don't think ours are made by the feed roller though as they are at an angle that follows the cutting head, but I'll watch this video again and see if I can work it out. Mean while I have ordered a Hafco thicknesser planer from Machinery House here in New Zealand, and I hope to get mine fully dialled in as I am the only person using and adjusting it.
I admire your skill and tenacity.
Your dad's lathe work is beautiful.
Props to your dad for seeing this through. Holy crap. No way my dad would stay long enough to even watch the video haha.
this is a great video thanks for being so informative and thorough
more vids like this will illuminate the world too encourage perfection and better performance from our machines good job bro!!!!!
The press fit you mentioned is actually known as an interference fit. Great video. I installed the Shelix head in my DeWalt 735 planer and it was not nearly as involved as your upgrade.
Super Projekt, die Idee mit dem Ofen und dem Kältespray ist genial
Fantastic.......loved the milling as well.
Was all set to order one for my Kity 637 until you mentioned the price........ astronomical!
I'll just stick to the old style cutter heads :)
Patience, patience you have it my friend. Dropping screws does not warrant an out take, it is a normal part of life.
Ja Super.
Habe mich schon lange gefragt ob sich ein alter Hobel so verbessern lässt.
Beide Daumen hoch..👍👍
Ich kann es nicht glauben, das du das gemacht hast 😊💪
Top Video und so eine gute Idee
Thanks for sharing. I came to your conclusion about the upgrade about half way through. cool upgrade though. I hope is lasts as long as you are expecting...
Yeah, Marius. Your machine appeared to be very difficult to work on. I also replaced the cutter head on my jointer with the Shelix head, and while it was not a walk in the park, it was much less trouble than you had. Mine was a Delta jointer, and it took about four hours total, working by myself, using only a gear puller and a few hand tools. Setting up was also much easier, since I didn't have to remove the infeed and outfeed tables. You and your dad did an excellent job, one that most people could not have attempted.
His machine was so much harder because it's such a good machine, and also dual purpose.
Marius, that was one brilliant video. Thank young pup! 100%
Money well spent..............but what an incredible pain. I was getting frustrated just watching.
Way to fight through to the end. Special thanks to your dad for helping.
wow great work to you and your father as well whole lot of technical talent you have in your family. I don't have a jointer but I do have a planner and am thinking about switch to this type of head unit. hope mine isn't as difficult lol.
Impressive build and solid advice at the end of it.
nice to see dad helping out ,
Thank you Marius, for saving me from upgrading my Kity planer/thicknesser combo. I'll go with a new spiral head machine instead, when that time comes. :-)
Very good and informative video, thou!
Very interesting video. I recently took my machine apart to replace the infeed and outfeed rollers and I considered upgrading to an shelix head in the process. I'm sure it produces a wonderful cut but the head would have been more expensive than my machine so I didn't feel I could really justify it. I took the compromise position of just buying some straight carbide knives, they last like carbine but are cheap like HSS (they are about 3 times the price but last easily 3 times longer).
That was a LOT of work but well worth the effort. You will really enjoy that Shelix spiral cutter head much more than that old straight cutter head.
Very impressive !
I really appreciate how you work, thanks again for your movieS.
great job Marius (and Dad lol) well talked through and recommendation about the expensive upgrade (buy another lol)
The cut quality I get with my jointer and planer made me think it was not worth the effort you put into this one. Then I see you say that at the end of the video so I don't feel like a a-hole saying it lol. That being said I still enjoyed the video and the monumental work you put it in and that you didn't give up! Great work as always. Thank you!
I have an old Swiss made Inca 570 jointer/planner that looks very much like your Kity. It is very quiet and smooth like a Swiss watch. It has the Tersa blade system which makes blade changes super quick and easy. A tap or two against a wood block and the blades slide out. Slide in the new blades and turn the machine on and they are set perfectly every time. As the replacement blades are two-sided and only about $12 US a set, I think I will take your advice and Not upgrade. Thanks. Great video. You are tenacious.
Großartige Arbeit. Was ein Aufwand. Aber scheint sich ja gelohnt zu haben.
I have a drum sander with a similar table-raising mechanism... the key is to cut a big hole in the stand under the unit. Then you can poke your head/arm in there to make adjustments. I really want to put my drum sander on a cart with drawers but if i ever had to make an adjustment, I'd have to do what you describe. No thanks! So, it stays on its open stand!
Sehr gut Marius, toll wenn man die Möglichkeiten hat. Sauber, weiter so.
This is what every woodworker discovers after their machines start wearing out. First comes the metal lathe, then the mill, then you're an amateur machinist who can woodwork with the best of them.
Awesome work on the upgrade! 👍👊
This is incredible. I think what I love more is the dedication to the end goal. You didn't need a V-belt but you put all that effort in. More people need this attitude! Well, no doubt the incentive is partially that you're producing high quality content as a result, but I like to imagine you would go to these lengths regardless of the camera.
Can I ask, how long did it take to get your custom cutter head? - Oh sorry, your video addresses this (4 months for anyone reading).
Just so you know, you can order from byrd directly and can do a custom cutterhead order, possibly would have been quicker.
well done man, lot of work but worth it. your videos are very helpful and tnx for that.
I have to try out this Pressfit at something like this, I just need to get a planer, the Shelix, and a good turning machine :D
Great video and great update!
AMAZING! So much work! Kudos
Ah, the simple joys of woodworking.
Leftover parts on a working machine are proof you improved on the design.
I was getting worried about your woodworking background right until i saw the clamps! :o)
Very cool video. Love all the details. :) And doing the test with the top off was super safe...if you were far away from it like you were. So it is all good for me. :)
Metal worker now Marius cool, nice vid lot of working but I bet the satisfaction of the machine working like you want is justifcation TFS "thanks for sharing" regards G :)
Excellent video Marius! I will become a patreon supporter for you.
Excellent work mr Marius.I like it.
On the INCA 560 J/P, the cutterhead is independent of the yokes that carry the feed rollers, and can be removed without disturbing them. When KITY copied it, obviously they took a shortcut by tying them all together.
Pulling the cutterhead on the INCA is a 1 hour job.
Marius, you are amazing. So is your Dad.
Kudos 👏to your design change on Diamond knurling for feed roller.., It is weak in design to straight vee grooves which is causing marks on wood finish.
You are wise beyond your years young man
It’s seems you put a lots of effort into it but it’s looks like you enjoying well worth it great job
been looking intoo that type of drum before , good thing about it is if you nick one line of blades you dont have to regrind all of them
the only bad thing that was noticed by someone is that because the blades are in a spiral they allways have resistance angainst the wood its planing (you can hear it when running it as it isnt a vibrating sound but a more constand tone)
that does mean the motor driving the planer is under a more constand torque and hasnt got a chance to regain speed if the motor is too weak , i dont think youre machine will giove you problem as it seems to be a quality machine but the lesser brands might need to have a stronger motor installed
You can cut aluminum very easily on a table saw with a carbide blade. No need to use a hack saw.
I've pressed out wheel bearings in cars using a similar setup to the one used at 2:45.
What a great job! And the perseverence of doing it. Kity made really good machines but you transformed yours into a great little gem.
Congratulations!
I want to replace the cutterhead pulley on my kity 635( a very similar model to yours)with one that accepts a poly V belt for the very same reasons that you did. I won't change the cutterhead itself though… quite expensive.I would like to know what belt did you use(profile type and number of ribs)
Brilliant and well done dad
Great work!!
Hi! I'm a beginner for woodwork, can you recommend me where can i buy the shelix cutterhead, thanks.
Seems like you opened Pandora's Box there ... and closed it successfully. Great job.
that is a really nice planer/jointer. i wish i could find one of those in the U.S. and going with the shelix cutterhead is a fantastic decision. no more aligning the knives and no more bad knives just because of one nick....simply move the four sided knife to an unused one. it should be quieter as well and no more clogged dust collector hoses. i am going to say it again....i wish i could find one of those machines. you can tell it is made really well.....nothing like the newer machines. what is it...40 years old? 50 years old? take care...
@Todd Bushcrafter, not 100% sure but i believe they were made in the 80s - or perhaps were stopped being made in the 80s!? I have seen other Kity636 machines advertised, all with 80s years.
roller coaster ride from start to end
Sind die holzschrauben von den alten räder?
Did you try setting the infeed table to get a deeper depth of cut before making a new roller?
Great video! I have a smaller just got a kity planer thicknesser which is part of the K5 Combi. I'm about to renovate so tested it yesterday. I'm getting the same marks as you did which is caused by the infeed roller. I cannot machine a replacement and I dread to think how much a custom one would cost do you have any other ideas what I could do as surely it wasn't like this from new?
It was very cool watching you and your dad work together to rebuild and improve the machine. I’m always impressed by your ability to find solutions to problems or to create something rather than buy something. You and your dad did a great job!
Just curious.... what part of Germany are you from?
Ron
Really cool modifications 👍👌😀
Marius well done, I wonder why the indeed roller caused this problem post fitting when it didn't before.
hi marius, ich besitze eine 637 und hatte mir lange überlegt das update vorzunehmen, es jedoch wieder verworfen weil es sich einfach nicht lohnt. stattdessen werde ich mir halt einen zylinderschleifer anschaffen oder besser bauen. das prinzip kann man ja von der kitty übernehmen. danke für's zeigen! 👍
The Perfect Setup for a Machine...
I have installed a lot of helical carbide cutterheads in jointers and planers. I strongly recommend that you check torque on all the carbide cutter bolts after 1 week of use and again after 1 month of use. I always find a few bolts that need to be tightened more. G.
Good tip, I'll do that. The instructions didn't tell anything about the torque and 15Nm as suggested from a table seemed a bit much. I used 9Nm torque. Would you say I'm in the correct range with that?
Marius, I have used click type torque wrenches with some success but you should call Byrd and get a torque spec from them directly. Your 9Nm setting still seems a little high to me. Byrd says, "When we assemble the SHELIX we torque the inserts down to about 40-45 (5.08 Nm) inch pounds. If you don't have access to a torque wrench, a good hand tightening will do the trick no problem." When I don't have access to an inch pound torque wrench I hand tighten using a Torx tip in a screw driver handle to "it hurts my hand" tight. Oddly when I use the torque wrench I break looks more carbides than I do when I use a hand driver. I hate breaking carbides!
Saustarke Arbeit! Und diese Geduld. Ein Wunder, daß es für die Kitty überhaupt diese Trommel gab. Und ja, ich geb dir Recht, ich hätte das auch nicht investiert.
Was mich besonders gefreut hat, war der Trick mit der Temperaturdifferenz. Daß das noch jemand kennt! Wir haben in den 70er Jahren so die Führungsbolzen von Zylinderköpfen in den Motorblock wieder eingelassen. Wir haben die Bolzen allerdings über Nacht in ein Gefrierfach gepackt :-)
Beste Grüße aus dem Schwabenland auc an deinen hilfreichen Herrn Vater. Ich beneide ihn um die Drehmaschine.
PS: Mit der segmentierten Welle braucht die Maschine etwas weniger elektrische Leistung für die gleiche Hobelleistung.
Das hat mich auch gewundert. Ich hab einfach spaßeshalber mal "Kity 636 shelix" in Google eingegeben und dann war das der erste Treffer. Das mit der Temperaturdehnung haben wir auch im Maschinenbaustudium gelernt und es wird ja auch heutzutage noch oft verwendet (spannfutter z.B.)
PS: Es ist zur Hälfte auch meine Drehmaschine;)
Ok, dann beneide ich euch beide ;-)
Wie marius schon sagte, ist so eine Schrumpffassung bei uns "Metallmenschen" was recht häufiges, aber sowas simples dass so nützlich ist,ist schon sehr interessant.
Rarely have I seen anything as German as seeing a father and son spend some quality time behind a lathe
Where the screws leftover from changing out the caster wheels on the base?
A simple, straightforward upgrade /s
Marius, what is the lenght of a small belt? I have bought the same machine and the small belt is worn out. Somewhere i've found that the belt is 710x6 but mesuring my damaged belt iz was 720... so what is the correct leinght? TY...