Moto Guzzi V85 TT 850 Honest Review
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2022
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This is my review of the 2022+ Moto Guzzi V85 TT in Evocative Graphics version. A bike full of contradictions and with an interesting set of pros and cons.
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Have been riding all kind of bikes for the past 40 years, on track, off road, American, German, Japanese… have had it for 11000 km and have never experienced the on/off effect you highlight, nor the flaws of the drive shaft or gear box, mine has an amazing chassis /suspensions, and I come from a GS 1200 LC, and a buttery gear box in all gears, first included. I still have an RT1150 and it rightfully feels like a bike from 20 years ago compared to this amazing Guzzi, probably the most easy and balanced and satisfying bike I have ever owned. Unless you look for rocket power which I dont, pleasure wise, for me, unbeatable.
I own a V85TT as well and agree with your comment 100%. It’s been a great bike overall since day 1.
My 2022 V85 displays none of the faults mentioned in this video. It is possibly the nicest bike I've had since I started riding in 1972! The bike in this video must have been in dire need of some attention.
Hey fellas looking at a long trip from the U.k. to Portugal and onwards Been looking at this bike for some time what do you think
As always been told to go the Honda route but for F....k sake how boring is that ?? Any advice more than welcome Cheers
Sorry any ladies input more than welcome !!
@@allanhughes7859 The V85TT is ideal for a long trip. Supremely comfy, and with a huge tank range meaning far fewer fuel stops. My 2022 TT Travel is super smooth at 70mph It just eats up the miles! Buffeting is an issue. but is not bad enough for me to mess about with after market screens. After owning 5 previous Guzzis' I would not hesitate in taking a big trip on one. Join the family! You won't regret it!
@@TheMickvee thanks for that I think you have convinced me If all goes wrong you wi8ll be hearing from me again L.O.L seriously thanks for taking the time to reply much appreciated Allan.
Must be one of the best motorcycle reviews I've ever watched.
And yup, I just bought one. That's why I'm here.
Thanks, I'm happy that you like it and I hope that you're already enjoying your bike to the fullest!
Thanks for the review. Putting the Guzzi on SPORT mode sharpens/fixes throttle response. This is my 5th bike and my second Guzzi. No, its not perfect but is a great package. Im no longer "boy racer" . The bike has good power and torque. and handles very well. Obviously not a high performance sled. Kind of a neoclassic. Thanks for your opinions. No sarcasm intended.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective. I do agree that if one doesn't have the need of experiencing a jet fighter-like acceleration, then a calm bike like V85 TT should not be overlooked. Especially because of how easy to handle it is and how well-balanced they've managed to make it. Cheers!
Another excellent review & witty commentary. "Nothing to Prove" also did a great review on this bike (2021 V85TT with the added options). I'm in the market for a adventure bike and like a lot of things about the V85TT but it doesn't hit a home run, but more like a second base hit...lol. Thanks again for all your great video's & stay safe!
Thanks for sharing. The name of that channel sounds encouraging and I already found his review. I'll watch hoping for a really "nothing to prove" attitude. I hope my observations are useful to you and all the best during this exciting journey of looking for the best adventure bike. All the best!
Very competent review. Thanx from Germany!
excellent review!!!
Thanks!
I want this bike!
Really great review! I've an Interceptor 650 at the moment.. highway cruising at 110-120 kph comfortable.. how does that compare to the TT850 which looks a stunning bike?
I love my v85TT. So many useful features and so easy to work on myself. It's not the fastest bike but fast enough. It's like the small SUV of bikes that can do most everything. Super comfortable as well. I would have liked a quick shifter and it to be lighter, but aside from that it's a perfect bike. Best adventure/street bike in my opinion for the money.
It is definitely a lot of bike for the money. I'd still give it a second place among adventure bikes for value behind the Suzuki V-Strom 1000+
Thank you for the review BUT I have a Euro 5 2021 year and none of the stuff that you're describing is happening, It is perfectly balanced and handles great. As far as losing your balance at low speeds.....I never had anything like this happen however, I'm not a beginner rider.
Buy yourself a Yomama, more like what you're looking for. The Guzzi is a work of art.
Looks like you haven't watched the video since you're referring to balancing and handling. Or perhaps you didn't get the throttle delay part in relation to opening and closing it at lower gears. Watch it again. Maybe it was my accent or too shaky of a video.
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Regarding the throttle response I haven't had the experience that you've got. However, NO, I don't like the fly by wire especially off road. I understand they are using it because of cruise control but it cannot be modulated like a traditional double cable throttle.
Here's a minus that we can add to the list. The Euro 5 emissions have made the bike run rough. Of course, this can be fixed with mapping or Power commander but it is a hassle. Unfortunately, air cooled engines are very hard to make them comply to the new emissions standards and the climate communists will never stop pushing for even stricter numbers. This is nothing new, it has been going on for at least 25 years and counting. Ride safely, take care.
I was thinking the same Ted. I've had my 22 Guardia D'Onore for only four months and broken in pretty well with almost 3000 miles on her. I use sport setting mainly, rain and off-road when needed and I don't have that throttle lag mentioned in the review. The gear box is a bit clanky, though hasn't missed any gear selections. It feels durable. It's easy to maneuver at slow speed and a dream to ride in the twisties here in Colorado. I love the bike. After 20 years on Harley's and dirt bikes, the V85TT is by far my favorite.
@@eddiealvarez4482 Wait till you really fall in love with it....Guzzis have this effect on people.
Yupp sounds like my v85! And I still love it!
I test rode a 2019 model and experienced the dead spot in the throttle as mentioned around 6:00. Thank you for bringing this up! This is the only review on UA-cam that I have come across that mentions it.
The bike I rode was part of a demo-day, so I wondered if there was something wrong with it from a previous ride/rider. I mentioned it to the folks running the demo, and they blipped the throttle in neutral and kind of shrugged it off.
My current bike is cable operated and extremely sensitive, so I was starting to think it was me. I REALLY like v85, but I don’t think I could live with the bike until that’s resolved.
In neutral it feels totally fine - so when you rev the bike. I also tried it under different circumstances and it was noticeable when riding at lower gears, so when in gear and when the bike's the most sensitive to throttle.
Thanks a ton for sharing that as I feel it's really important and it bothered me. Most comments are of course from owners shouting that "their mum is the best" (I'd be doing the same likely) and no such things exist but this can cause new owners who haven't tested the bike enough, disappointed. Making Moto Guzzi hear about it can help as they can fix it if they know that we can feel it.
Warning ights for "gear-up" are set to a lower RPM during the break-in period. (5200 RPM). You can set it at any RPM via the dashboard menu.
what does it look like when a second person rides in the back including two suitcases? is the power too low or does it not make much difference with a second person?
I own the same bike, and experienced the same fueling issues. I added a Mistral v-twin boost module and fueling and low end torque improved greatly. I have experienced no transmission problems.
Interesting, interesting - thanks for sharing that.
I have first version MG V85TT 2019. It is well balanced and relaxing motorcycle. The truly strong side of this bike is a style, and performance in twisty back roads - mounting passes. Man, people on the streets are constantly turning their heads to watch me. Such a unicorn and unique looking bike, like no others. I have no issues for now regarding reliability. Changed the exhaust, stock is bad. And off-road capability is so underrated. In tarmac roads it works like a diesel machine. Offroad regime completely changed the bike . Last week I conquered Abano Pass in Georgia. One of the most challenging gravel roads in the Europe, and this machine was reborn in my eyes there. Yes, on pavement roads it is s little boring, but I'm looking forward to V100 TT Adventure in the near future.
And the quality of the production materials is on a remarkable level. Not like the plastic Japanese bikes.
And one more thing, the throttle response is really not so great because of the ride-by-wire, but the vibrating and shaky engine give the motorcycle a character and a soul.
Thank you for showing another perspective - it's much appreciated to see a real owner's point of view. I think that it can be considered pretty unique. Much respect to the balancing, agility in corners, control and a whole idea of putting a driveshaft there. And yeah, ride-by-wire might need refining in the future by Moto Guzzi. I'd be very interested to check what the outcome would be then. All the best with your V85 TT!
Can you compare the v85 with the vstrom 850 de if possible ?
I honestly cannot agree the complaints in this review. I sugest anyone interested in this bike should take one for a long test ride and you will probably be quite surprised as i was.
Of course it's best to try the bike on your own. Not sure though what you're not agreeing with. "Complaints" means nothing.
Would be very interesting to get your review on the Honda x-adv 750, so if you have some time would be awesome 🍻
I've got to say that this might be the challenge. However, you're among a few who have mentioned this bike so it makes me wonder. Maybe if one treats it as a kind of an unusual creation like for example Yamaha Niken, then it could be an adventure to try it!
An holistic review that could prevent a potential buyer from purchasing or encourage an hesitant buyer to go for it. Will done. Thanks. I have ridden chain driven bikes for years. I fed up with chain maintenance so purchased a used GS in 2015. Shaft drive is a real luxury whether you do long distance riding ör commutes. I have recently sold the old GS and looking for a new bike. V85's coolest feature that appeals to me is its shaft system. But your critics on throtle response make me think twice. We will se...
Definitely try it then! If you don't ride a lot in super tight spaces (where it is actually brilliant thanks to great balance), then there's likely not much to be worried about in terms of throttle control.
I used to have an 800gs with about 80-85hp and it weighed much less. I have to confess, there were enough moments when I wanted just a bit more power for my own safety. Not much, just a bit more. Even the 90hp of the bonneville feels like a massive improvement.
I think I know exactly what you mean. What's interesting is that having ridden a not much more powerful V-Strom 1000 for years (approx. 100 HP), that bike never felt like not having enough power. The thing is about how, how much, and when that power is delivered. On an F800GS - and 850 too - I always wish that they had more power myself. But hey, then the answer is: R1250GS.
@@VToldsMotoShow the vstrom’s engine is fantastic. Perfect engine for street riding. I now only consider commuter bikes in that horsepower and torque range like KTM 890, Africa Twin 1000/1100, or Ducati 950. Waiting for BMW to finally deliver the 21” rninet models.
I wonder if issue with low throttle is due to factory issue or abusive use by testers? Would you recommend any alternatives to that bike?
I wonder that too but I’ve always used my personal bikes just like the ones belonging to dealers so I would assume that they’re really much abused. I feel that Ducati DesertX may have similar features and could be worth trying as an alternative.
@@VToldsMotoShow thanks man. Would you share which dealer you test it ? It appears i might be not far away , and i wish to compare your experience with my own feelings.
great review! Love the v85 for its uniqueness
btw.. what chair is that? it looks super comfy!
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. The chair is amazing indeed and likely there's nothing more comfy than this particular model. It's an electric 7G11 from Power Seats here: www.powerseats.eu
Fun review, dziękuję :-) I have a 2020 bike which has none of the fuelling issues you experienced. I wonder if they've cocked it up a bit in the search for Euro5 compliance?🤔 Regarding the gears - it is an agricultural gearbox, but it sounds to me like your press bike had been used and abused, especially with the way the front brake was - that's not normal! They can be quite sensitive to clutch cable adjustment so that might have been the issue there. As you discovered - they are NOT bikes for people who want to ride aggressively everywhere - look elsewhere if that's your idea of fun. They are much better suited to a long ride chuffing along at more sensible speeds. Finally, yes the switch gear is... unique... let's say. And I have been caught out when I accidentally knocked that bloody kill switch too 😅 cześć.
Cześć! Thanks for the input and I also wonder if the gearbox was acting up because the bike had been ridden really harshly before. I guess we will never know but on the other hand it might be exactly as you say - it's not a bike to be ridden to its limits at all times. The more I ride, the more I feel that every bike has its preferences and having a type of rider on top of it, who doesn't match the bike's character, simply won't work for both - the bike and the rider. The only one who can adapt is the rider :). I like the way you described the bike in the comment. It felt like reading about a person - I enjoyed that. All the best and cześć!
I think scoring can be subjective, if your ideas are fair and practical then they will work. So I have no problem.
You felt the sideways handlebar "slap" correctly. This is the result of the acceleratiing forces within a transverse mounted engine, any model, any brand. Therefore all Guzzi's have this behavior.
Very, very possible! Good point!
It’s actually a longitudinal mounted engine. At least in car lingo it is. The crankshaft arrangement is what determine this. Exaggerate the number of cilinders-at least for this engine-in an imaginative representation just to get the gist of it. A V12 engine. The non-balanced forces on a longitudinal engine are what’s spread transversely. But yes, they can be equalized like in the LC BMW engines.
Maybe you're roling the throttle too far forward instead of letting it go. It has the function to stop the cruise control if you roll it forward a centimeter further than zero. It will probably happen if you're not yet used to the bike and have too much tension in your hands.
Thanks for pointing that out and I'm not sure I was doing that. My riding style is always the same on every bike but still - had I known it before, perhaps I'd pay more attention to this behavior being triggered this way. I've got to say that it would be a bit weird to have such an effect and in the end of the day it anyway makes controlling the throttle at the lowest RPM pretty challenging.
Do ruchu włączamy się z chodnika? Nieźle się tam bawicie :)
Shengel, krwiopijco ;). Miał być motocykl Adventure? To jest Adventure!
@@VToldsMotoShow No dobrze, niech będzie Adventure. Urban Adventure :)
For me 9/10... Italia forza🇮🇹😎👍
I'm glad you like it! It can be a rewarding bike if used where it feels best.
kupiłbyś MG 85TT jeszcze raz??
To nie moja maszyna - wypożyczyłem ją od dealera. Ale osobiście nie kupiłbym nawet za pierwszym razem, bo to nie mój styl. Motocykl jest bardzo nieszablonowy, a ja wolę „najwiecej”, „najszybciej” i „najwygodniej” i te oraz inne punkty spełniają mi inne motocykle z klasy Adventure - tylko tej wyższej, bo powyżej 1000cc.
Sounds like you had some bad luck with that specific bike using the gearbox.
Mine V85TT switches gears perfectly, I come from driving mostly Yamaha’s (in mine opinion best gearboxes) and I do not feel Motoguzzi did a worse job.
I also don’t agree with the other points.
I really like the bike, please if you’re interested in this motorcycle make a test drive!
Sure, it might've been that specific unit as it was the only one that I've ridden. It was an official Moto Guzzi demo motorcycle (so not just a dealer's), so I'd be expecting it to be in a mint condition. You don't have to agree with anything if you've got a different point of view or simply own the bike - this is obvious then and that's how all of us work. Good advice is for everyone to test the bike themselves. Then it makes sense to pay attention to the mentioned areas.
Must’ve been built on a Friday going into Monday and then Luigi’sLunch was getting cold if you give it some time the engine breaks in and it is significantly more power
Just buy one 2022 but i have a clear windshield why? Thanks
It may depend on a version of a bike - they come in different color schemes and some other things I believe follow. Perhaps a windshield too.
Really good review. I love the transverse, style and shaft. Unfortunately, not enough to counter all the negatives.
Ride one. I bought one 2 months ago and love it. Most owners love them.
would not take any notice of this showoff...Go and ride one yourself.
I'm glad you like the vid - thanks for feedback. It really usually is down to weighing the pros and cons and what matters the most to every single one of us. Cheers!
I don’t own a V85TT but I’m for sure considering to get one. Looking into the future I would guess that Guzzi will release a V100TT and that will have a single swing arm. Look at rhe newly beautiful V100 Mandello and you will understand why I’m stating this. 🤩
Today I drive a Ducati Panigale V2 which is givng me real throttle pleasure. 🤪👌
Althoug I would like to have access to dirt roads as well which we have a lot of here in Sweden. And simply…the V85TT is just 😍
Dude this is the reason why I have 6 bikes in the garage....LOL. By the way, I will also buy the V100
V100TT? I did not see that coming. I'm in.
@@terrellgarren7125 Yes, very soon. Water cooled, great horsepower, a work of art. It will be sport touring, more like short distance touring I suppose.
@@tedmarakas2626 But the V100 is the sport tourer. I would expect the TT to be a big ADV?
@@terrellgarren7125 Well, yes, the V100 Mandello is replacing the Norge or the Griso and the V85TT replacing the Stelvio.
However, the Stelvio was a much bigger and heavier bike therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if MOTO GUZZI comes up with another Adventure machine to replace it. The V85TT is a middle weight and most people don't want a huge bike like a BMW GS or the Harley Panamerica. A middle weight bike is more agile for urban streets, easier to live with and reasonably good for long distance, too. Hey, if there was a bike on this world that could do everything....I wouldn't have six bikes in my garage....even though I like many bikes in the garage. hehehe
Seems like you had A LOT more issues with your V85 then I have with mine. Not everyone is a fragile as you seem to be. Ticklish feet, throttle problems, inability to shift, loud gearbox?
Had to cry for weeks after riding it. This one is meant only for tough guys feeling no pain nor emotion. It isn't my bike but Moto Guzzi's official demo bike in the country.
I have a Guzzi, it sounds to me that this fella needs a totally different bike. We are talking Labrador when he needs a greyhound. He does not need a throttle, an on/off switch would do.
Certainly it's a spot on diagnosis.
Well you clearly weren't paid by Moto Guzzi to do this review! lol I like the concept of this bike, but clearly the execution isn't quite there...for the failure to change gears, maybe just needs a gear lever adjustment (like if its slightly too low this could happen).
Guzzi gearboxs need bedding in. Mine at 2500 miles is sweet now. I suspect user error in this review.
@@therealunclevanya Sure, he clearly never changed gears before in a motorcycle... USER ERROR xD
I did push it really hard at least once when it didn't want to engage and it felt like it was just dead stuck and not willing to move even a millimeter further.
@Uncle Vanya, I'll just assume that the mention of a user error in this review is an invitation to trolling and not a serious statement.
I did about 8000km within 3 months with my 2022 V85TT and I canˋt agree to what you told about throttle response, foot rest vibrations and the gear box - I simply do not have the described problems on my Guzzi.
…but it has been the same with my last yearˋs BMW R 1250 RT: Watching your review, I felt you are talking about a completely different bike…😕
You can see when the bike starts pulling while rolling the throttle in the video, so this part is out of question or subjective approach - it just was there. One may like it or not and we may discuss this part. I wasn't too much into it. Similar story with the gears even though the camera is not showing the movement of the lever but after having ridden dozens of motorcycles, I do notice the differences between them. Sometimes gears don't want to engage properly but here it was happening very often, so my conclusion is that it simply doesn't work well enough. Or at least not when ridden the way I was riding it - especially during the aggressive parts :). Otherwise it was mostly fine. I hope that this explanation helps. Cheers!
@@VToldsMotoShow No problem, maybe even with actual manufactoring-methods there are differences between the bikes …
@@VToldsMotoShow At this point when everyone tells you they never experienced that it's obvious you had a malfunction on this specific bike. I had a similar experience on a joyride 200evo, I also thought it was because of the poor quality of these scooters, but then I went to a different maintenance garage and after a few dozen kilometers I realized the problem disappeared. To be honest I still don't know if the problem was mechanical or if it actually was me, because I was used to ride adv bikes and the riding position is very different, so maybe I changed something progressively in my riding style that made the bike stable
Cheers!
Thanks for the review of this Guzzi.
The problem is that despite Italy, where a bike like this is seen. Very few places I suppose. And that fact is a lot of negative points in my opinion. It’s very relevant for me to choose a bike of a Brand that is well represented in the place we are going to ride. And more important if we plan to do long trips with it, because in case of a problem happens we can easily receive the technical assistance that we need.
This is not too much of an adventure spirit, I know . But a lot of us, we buy an adventure bike because they are shaped to be great all around bikes and not to do so much hard off-road trails, I think.
Never have ridden this Guzzi and I might try doing just that to get the feeling of it, but I’m not inclined for it as I prioritize powerful bikes. They can be heavy but they must have power enough in order to eliminate its weight. I prefer large bikes to nimble ones. In a near future I’ll try the Husqvarna 901 Norden, the KTM 1290 Adventure R and the BMW R nine T, this last, just because I never did it and everybody says it is a pleasure to ride.
This is, as usual on your channel, a very honest review and I complement that you stick loyal to that. Rock on 🤙🤙
Hi, thanks for sharing these thoughts. I've got to admit that once I saw R nineT, I wished for an explanation and well, it was great. And actually, I think I could confirm that R nineT is really fun to ride. It's something different, stylish and this I personally could consider retro. With Moto Guzzi, I also think that it's pretty niche and rare. Like Benelli and even Aprilia. There are some advantages and some disadvantages to that. In an adventure category, your point of view says it all as trust matters at least a bit more than in most other categories. I'd also say: definitely try a KTM if you can. Not for the trust definitely, but sometimes the X factor can overpower anything else. All the best!
so Guzzi's just making 3 models now?
Yup, it seems so. I see: V85 TT, V7 and V9 on the website.
@@VToldsMotoShow it would seem their days are numbered but easily explained by the horrible looking designs they're presenting. they need to study what Triumph has done.
They also have the new mandello 1000 coming soon, totaly new engine and frame and everything !
Try a moto guzzi stelvio after 2011 build 8V 1200 type, to compare with a gs or a african twin... and u dont c a lot of them because its a small and old plant. Each bike is totaly manufactored in mandello de lario. I think its under 10000 bikes a year they produce. And the other thing, a guzzi isnt just a bike, its more community of riders with a feel for history. Go to mandello de lario once in september, u will c guzzisti from all over the world allways having a great party for 3 days. Every year. Any other manufactorer same size, so much fans?
I believe that there's more to the brand. Sort of like with Harley-Davidson I guess. This is hard to judge objectively. It I were to look at the brand, I'd be impressed with KTM and BMW and nothing else, but I realize that it's not that helpful in actually judging the bike. And I personally tend to not care about the community etc. so much and in the end it doesn't benefit me as much as it could. But I get the idea that you mean and it's cool that there's such a community for Moto Guzzi too.
superman :D
Flying high!
If it’s so bad why do you Owen one???
I assume you meant "own". If so then I'm here to explain that I don't. And for the record - I don't own any of the competitors.
dude, adjust your throttle slack, it's too big.
Thanks for the hint, it's a good direction, however here the issue is different as there's already resistance, nothing is loose, you keep opening it more while nothing happens. I believe there's some ride-by-wire issue here likely.
100% agree with the description above. I’ve experienced it as well and it’s a very unnerving feeling to open the throttle, feel resistance, and nothing happen with the motor.
🤣🤣.....Nice review - to begin with !! But this 🏍 is not just a bike. It is a work of ART. For my taste the desing = 10/10 ! No - not every art is for everyones' taste, so if some don't like it - respect. Well - if you taka a look at the "Guardia D'onore" version, you'll know what I mean - that is by far ( again - to MY taste ) THE PRETTIEST bike on the 🌎 - hands down ‼‼ If I could place a bike in my living room - that would be the one ( if I could, actually, buy it 🤔🤔).
Then - it is also for people who can't, or maybe don't want to spend alllllot of 💰💰on an madly expensive Harley/Indian/OCC chopper, but still, want something special. These Guzzies even tend to, literally, loose screws ( bolts ), but those who buy them DON'T CARE ‼‼😃😃
Gotta say, it looks awesome. I have a 2021 Adventure and the thing is a work of art. None of the other bikes look as good. 1250GS?
Ugly, KTM adventure?Nah, Yamaha and Honda? They don't even look like motorcycles rather something from out of space. The Guzzi's are damn gorgeous. I also have a V9 bobber.
Hey, yeah, perspective is everything when it comes to design or engine sound. Totally agreed and this cannot be objectively judged. Only "democracy" and voting could tell us more. I'm glad that you're very much into the V85 TT and that's really cool. I wish there was a perfect bike for every single one of us. Between us - I haven't found my perfect bike yet myself, so I'm happy for you. There may be two that I like the most but I see their flaws too. All the best!
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By the way, I rode the Yamaha parallel twin that everybody raves about. It is nice.....but nah.....it was gutless. That's the direct competition for the V85TT. Of course it is less expensive, great sound, nice components.
I've found that you don't need a lot of HP to enjoy a motorcycle unless you're on the race track. It is all about how you deliver the power, especially when it comes to adventure motorcycles. The Yamaha 800 doesn't have the torque at low end like the V-twins. The entire bike was fine, nothing wrong with it, however, an engine like that would be more appropriate for a street bike. Again, opinions.....everybody looks for something different, everybody has a different taste. Cheers. ride safely.
The hummer disappeared 😔
A temporary service thing. But it's back again!
No offence but you should take some lessons in order to learn how two ride a motorcycle at low speeds. I remeber that you have mentioned the same problem when you have reviewed the V Strom saying that it's not stable at low speeds. You mentioned at that moment that when you say low speed you mean 40 km/h. I told you it means much less than this. You NEVER completely close the throtle when you are doing manoeuvres at such a low speed you had in the moment you almost touched that car's mirror. You lost the balance because you lost the friction between the transmition and the throtle. On the other hand the fact that you're not able to ride slow is easily to be noticed between 6:21 and 6: 29. The speed was much too high when you rode between the lanes and those cars were moving very low. In this kind of situation a very small stearing manoeuvre made by a driver may be very dangerous.
Well, I'm not sure how to respond to that, especially that we're clearly coming from two different 'worlds' - one where it's clearly not allowed to filter traffic, and the other one where it is. I live in Europe and aside from maybe, but just maybe, Germany, I'm not aware of any country where filtering would be illegal and not practiced. You're clearly from somewhere else and hence could never experience what we experience daily. There's no term of "speed was much too high when you rode between the lanes (...)" as it totally doesn't make sense to judge. I rode - so clearly the speed wasn't too high". We're riding between cars all our lives here and that's why it may be key how a certain bike feels at low speeds. Check out how people ride in Asia - I could write the same sentence about every rider out there: that they ride too fast between each other and too close. But that's the reality there, end of story. This Moto Guzzi does great in terms of agility and ease of handling but it's got a ride-by-wire throttle issue. V-Strom is not as properly balanced, it's more top-heavy and cannot keep a perfectly straight trajectory at low speeds. I've had a V-Strom 1000 for over 10 years and ridden in through all those places thousands of times, so I've got a feeling that I might have some point of reference here. No need to believe my words - check other videos where I feature that V-Strom. Still having warm thoughts about it tough but it was just not as good as possible at low speeds. It hurts to say and I'll do everything to avoid saying that as I had it and still loved it, but that's how it is and knowing how hard it is to make financially significant purchase decisions, I'm fully dedicated to raw reviews and not giving a cr*p about hurting the feelings of owners as taking that into account will result in biased and untrue reviews. I'm not paid by anyone, so I don't have to please them and believe that it's the only fair way of speaking up publicly. Thanks for the insights and I hope that you can see my point of view and notice the sense in what filtering traffic is about in places like Europe.
@@VToldsMotoShowI didn't say anything about how legal or not legal filtering is. But thanks a lot for answering anyway!
It's not a gs....
It's not a super moto...
It's not a sport touring....
It's not that kind of bike.
It's a let's enjoy the ride and if along the the road turns a bit shitty, I got you.
I'm not doing the Dakar, I'm not doing a moto gp,
But in the real world, our world, I got you.
That's a TT.
You want a track bike buy a track bike.
You want an off road bike, buy an off road bike.
You want something with a ton of unusable horsepower, buy accordingly.
If you want something that can get any capable rider through just about anything that the road can chuck at you.....
Without a shit ton of up grades or a huge price tag....
Then get a mid sized adventure.
And if you don't want to deal with chains,
Get a guzzi.
That's my choice, 1 litre of the same oil is enough to change the motor, transmission and finial drive in one shot.
And while everyone else is cleaning and oiling their chains...
I'm not.
Sorry, the thing with the throttle at 6:10 is not a problem of the Guzzi. It is a problem of the driver. This maneuver was not very smart. This could have happened with any other bike in this situation. And if you were used to this typical motor-movement, you wouldn´t have started this maneuver.
Nevertheless, this is a very informative video.
I believe that the throttle thing is this particular model's thing. So far I've ridden all large adventure bikes within the category and this is the only one with such behavior. This to me means that it's purely a bike thing. The manoeuvre was clearly too confident but it happens in everyday riding and since the bike feels so light and nimble, it encourages the rider to push the boundaries further and further. Here it backfired consistently afterwards, which was surprising to me. Cheers!
I have to say I kinda agree but in fairness to the reviewer I think he admitted this in the review, that he go a little over-confident too quickly on a bike he just go onto. I have a V85TT and I do agree at low speeds and low revs the responsiveness does feel a little muted coming from other bikes, but to me these are individual characteristics of lots of bikes that you need a couple of days riding to adjust. Having ridden the bike for a few months now I would not even notice this low speed throttle characteristic. Having owned about 12 different bikes from 250 - 1200 CC and currently also riding a CRF1000, I do agree with others that the V85TT is one of the most enjoyable with best handling and no issues with the gearbox. BTW, whatever about the discussion on the legalities of filtering in different jurisdictions, I think at 5:42, pretty much everywhere, leaving the road and riding across a footpath at a pedestrian crossing, could land you with a ticket, :-). And I'm not saying I have never done something like that, I'm just saying, :-). Honestly almost colliding with a car just after that can only be the riders fault. Regardless of what bike you are riding, over confidence too quickly can easily land you in trouble. On the plus side the reviewer showed some skill displayed in saving it so well done on that front! I do wonder if that bad experience at the beginning of the video may have subconsciously soured the bike for the reviewer and amplified every little niggle after that, I might have reacted similarly.
I do thank the reviewer for his honest opinion and review, it has generated a healthy and lively discussion and I always appreciate another point of view even if my experience with the bike has so far been very positive and different. It has also been said a couple of times, maybe this bike was badly prepared. That Moto Guzzi might do this does not surprise me, their after sales and service network can leave a lot to be desired, they often get poor reviews on this front. That front brake lever definitely looks VERY dodgy, on my bike there is 5-6cm gap between the lever and bar after the brake bites. On the review bike the lever is touching the bar, this is not a good indication about how the bike's condition might be in general. Press bikes can take a lot of abuse, this could also help explain the poor impression that the reviewer had.
I mentioned it in another comment here, but I test rode a v85 back in ‘19 and it too had a very pronounced dead-spot in the throttle take-up. Very unnerving, and made the bike untrustworthy when you had to be precise with the throttle.
My current bike is cable operated and super sensitive, so the problem with the v85 felt all the worse.
I wonder if it’s a semi-common problem, because it doesn’t seem to be widespread behavior. Way back when I ran google searches for the issue because I really liked the bike.. but came up empty.
I wouldn't say this is an honest review. I would say this is your opinion with a bias toward high performance motorcycles. Not everyone wants a high performance motorcycle.
It cannot be honest if it's not personal. Then it's a data sheet. It's biased if it's influenced by something that's unfair. If I owned a competing bike or was paid by Moto Guzzi or a competitor, then yes, it would be biased. But I'm not paid by anybody and I don't posses a competitor to this Moto Guzzi.
Not everyone wants a slow motorcycle either. Honesty means that one's saying what they're really thinking, so I guess it's time to get back to basic definitions of words before using them. Peace.
@@homeexplorers3153 , the V85TT is not a slow motorcycle. I have a 12 hp Van Van 200 and it is capable of riding with traffic in town. It runs out of steam on steep hills and speeds above 55. The V85TT is what it is. The only air cooled shaft drive comfortable motorcycle capable of riding fun and pleasure. It will never be a V4 multistrada, so you can't compare it to one
Proszę po polsku, lub chociaż napisy po naszemu 😉
A to da się zrobić z automatycznym tłumaczeniem UA-cam. Trzeba pod filmem kliknąć ikonę "CC", później zębatkę obok niej oznaczającą ustawienia, wybrać opcję drugą od dołu z automatycznym tłumaczeniem, w menu, które się wyświetla kliknąć automatyczne tłumaczenie i wybrać język polski. Wtedy napisy są wyświetlane po tłumaczeniu systemu ze słuchu. Rozwiązanie jest ciekawe! :)
@@VToldsMotoShow dziękuję u mnie na tel. nie było pl dopiero na laptopie. Pozdrawiam
So what your saying is it’s a pile of 💩 and buy a GS instead
Apples and Pears, a fully specced GS is north of £20k nearly double the cost
@@therealunclevanya Here in the US it is more than double the money if you go for the GSA.
Yes but the GSA is a more reliable bike with more dealerships around the world than the Moto,. The GSA TE come in at £18k add triple black alarm and yes it come to just under £20K, but that bike will last much longer to
@@petewatson9866 Got to say, they are great. Also different kind of ride. I like the GSA, I rode one a 2018 and it was like the Swiss army of bikes. However, it is very fat and costs twice as much. If I had the space I'm own one of each. The BMW F88ST is a commuter and I don't really like it.
@@petewatson9866 nonsense, Guzzis are pretty reliable and many old ones still thumping around the World.
Those who think this bike is great, clearly have never ridden the Generation 3 Yamaha MT09SP
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Completely different bikes. It’s like comparing it to a Honda Goldwing.
The V85TT is indeed a GREAT bike.
I also feel that it may be too much off in terms of different category, purpose and a whole idea. I wouldn't necessarily call MT09 and adventure or even an adventure-inspired motorcycle.
Sorry can't even look at the MT09, eye bleach 😁