I'm in Detroit, me and my entire family worked for the US auto manufacturers and would never consider buying an import...until lately. We are tired of paying $60,000 for outdated, poor-quality automobiles. I bought an American brand luxury SUV five years ago and have no plans to ever buy a new car again unless the prices drop dramatically. On the other hand, the Chinese offer affordable, stylish, high-tech automobiles and reasonable prices. In an effort to protect the American market the US government has imposed a ridiculous 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Our only hope for an affordable car here in America is if BYD buys the Chrysler group using the current factories to build cars here and avoid the import tariffs. If that doesn't happen, I'll be buying used cars from here on out. You mentioned the slow move toward EVs here in America. There is a huge push by the legacy US automakers to demonize EVs because of the tremendous profits in dealership repair costs. Additionally, I suspect that the petroleum industry is involved as well because in America we use (approximately) an astonishing 369 million gallons of gasoline _per day_ !
The Chrysler group is owned by Stellantis, I believe, and I'm not aware of them being interested in hiving off their US names or production. However, Stellantis recently acquired 20% of Leap Motor, and 50% of their export business. That might result in them selling the Leap Motor models in the USA. In many ways the C10 is an extremely boring mid sized SUV. However, it does have the greatest towing capacity in its class (1,5T), has a reasonable range (400km)... and is priced so low (€35K before subsidies) that I can forgive its lack of buttons. There again, at that price I don't mind having to use voice activation, because it is "mid sized" even by US standards (think VW Tiguan+ interior space).
As soon as the chinese government get control of Car manufacturing worldwide they will obviousally then increase prices .The chinese government have made it their objective to destroy Western manufacturing , they basically own the chinese car companies, none of these comapnies need to make a profit right now , their job is to take over the industry . Meanwhile they are sending democracy protesters in Hong Kong to prison for life , Yea ,so lets support the CCP !
hmmmmm......people were laughing at the Koreans in 90's, but you are correct, they certainly are not laughing now, but in the US, they are crying. I remember when the US tried to stop imports of Japanese cars and motorbikes in the 80's by imposing large tariffs against them. It didn't work then, and it sure as hell wont work now.
And I don't even get that there is one. Why build factories in the UK if they can build them on the continent and not have the shipping/customs hassle.
Many decades ago, (to the best of my recollection) an economist was commenting on the decline of manufacturing in the USA, he stated, “Japan will be making everything and we will be selling each other insurance”. Seems to becoming true in a global form.
US manufacturing value-added output now only represents about 14% of the global total. China now represents about 32% and climbing. China now has more than the US and EU combined, and that gap is growing by the day.
If we can use an all-China-made iPhone, TV, fridge, and every other electronic in our homes, I don't know what the problem with Chinese EVs being on our roads is.
Chinese EVs are very unsafe if you are unfortunately in an accident in a Chinese EV. Just check news of Chinese EV accidents in China. To be safe I'd rather be in a Fiat Panda than in a "luxury" Chinese NIO or BYD EV
@@satplm3011 the ccp oppresses others than the han chinese, they force people to concentration camps. That should be more than enough of a reason to boycot these chinese manufacturers.
I have got an MG4 Trophy and it’s a fabulous machine. Long range, quick charging, comfortable, very quick and handles really well. It’s also very practical and was affordable. No reason to miss out on better more affordable cars and absolutely no excuses for buying an ICE car these days!
Describing the GWM ORA as "cheap" when it starts at £32k in the UK demonstrates the problem. I'd love an EV but when the "cheap" cars are £32k i cannot afford. BTW the ORA in China is £11k
That's because in China they are heavily subsidized and discounted by brands so that people buy them. I also heard that people would trade-in their EVs like they trade-in their phones for newer ones every time there's a new version coming out etc. All in all, the EV market is over saturated there thats why they sell cheap and also they're trying to sell them outside of China to overcome the incoming decline of government support for local brands. I live in south east asia and there are 10 new Chinese brands that gets introduced this year and all of them just converted their LHD model to RHD in a hurry to introduce it to us, plus having fierce price competition with each other. It's quite a show to see, but I don't know how they'll survive in a long run.
The average price of a new car for the last ten years has been around £35k. The base Ora sits just below that mark. It's not expensive. It's also not the only EV in the world. So using it to support the old and totally false idea that EVs are generally too expensive is weak water. Firstly, as your own statement implies, if China were not caned with high tariffs they could sell the Ora in the UK much closer to the £11k price tag of China. Secondly you don't even need to look to China for cheap EVs in the UK. The Dacia Spring can be bought for under £15k new. It's about the third cheapest car you can get whether ICE or EV. The fact is that if you can't afford a £32k car then you can't afford most of the new ICE cars on the market either. And this is the tip of the iceberg. The fact is that EVs have passed the point where they will always be cheaper to make than an equivalent ICE car. Once certain dealers stop bumping up the prices falsely when they realise their more honest competitors are undercutting them we'll see prices fall again and again. Sub £20k EVs are here. Just a fact.
Chery just rolled the first car off a new assembly line yesterday as a jv with a Spanish company. That's why Spain no longer supports the tariffs. China will only build in countries who vote against the tariffs. Makes the EU fight one another.
Renault & friends are doing fine and most of the Stellantis brands aren't bad either despite their insistence of doing multi-powertrain platforms. BMW is doing okay and Mercedes has some tech up it's sleeve... It seems that only VW group is in the deep, though even they have a potential hit on their hands with Elroq.
Australian car industry is all but gone now, so they allow Chinese cars in. Wife drives an electric MG for work and she prefers it to all otherS on the fleet.
I found this to be a most bizarre take on tariffs and Brexit. Local (EU) experience shows BYD and the rest (or their national distributor) charge the highest price they believe the market will pay, typically pitched just below the price of any similar Tesla. Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, nothing to do with VAT or safety belt height, just extract the highest possible price. Where are these Chinese EVs in the teens of thousands you so ably report on from China? FCS profits from these brands exhibiting at your shows so I understand you can't challenge them, which is why I am here. Thanks for all your videos, here and on your own channel.
Isn't this the way all business is carried out -you charge what the market can bare. Also a country like China will not likely flood the market with cars if it means they will face higher and higher tariffs.We should also understand there is still a bias against Chinese cars similar to what the Japanese faced 60 years ago that will slow their uptake.
"Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, " Not true, the EU places tariffs on each automaker depending on how many uncompetitive practices the company employs. MG attract the highest tariffs, BYD somewhat lower. The EU only applies tariffs in relation to the uncompetitive practices employed, not on a national position. OTOH, the EU is considering placing blanket tariffs on Chinese products for other reasons, mostly political.
Our energy prices are horrendously high, that alone will most likely deter the likes of China or any other foreign manufacturer for that matter from choosing this country to establish a manufacturing base.
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Agreed. The proper gander from the west isn't even new. If you read about historical relations, you'd see that proper gander about China and other Asian countries was always a large focus of the US.
BYD is already gaining in popularity in Norway with the HAN, SEAL 4x4 & Sealion 7 which are all starting to become a fairly common sight in my town atm. The smaller Dolphin is not something I've seen more than 2-3 times, even tho it's heavily promoted atm. Hongqi is not a rare sight either. Tho I say starting to become a common sight. It's ofc nowhere near Tesla sightings. Or the big 3 sellers atm with VW, Hyundai, and Toyota EVs that still sell way more in my hometown area. But they still are a common sight on the top 10 seller list
There is a Vauxhall factory in Luton that desperately needs saving. If a Chinese manufacturer needs a European factory now might be the time to make a move. It could save many of the jobs that will otherwise be lost.
Mind you, if the Chinese can continue to make their EVs super-cheap - no "EV premium" as there's no ICE version to protect - then there's the prospect that, even with tariffs, they still remain competitive with the "EV Premium" European cars, which are all aimed at the luxury end anyway. This channel has been (rightly) saying forever that what's needed is a cheap "people's EV". Not a luxury SUV super car, with a million electronic features and a ridiculous price tag. Just a simple EV that works well for a cheap price. If China responds to that call - which they can, because they've produced super-cheap EVs for their own markets - then they could still kick arse, even with all the tariffs applied on top.
The UK prices are what other cars already cost here. We pay much more for all cars. Maybe competition will bring down prices but I doubt it. I think the manufacturers all price high in the UK like a cartel.
I am PRO EV, just ordered my 2nd lease....BUT the government here in U.K will NEVER buy into this brilliant idea, why? because they dont really want to lose £70 million PER DAY on excise duty (which also has 20% V.A.T on top of that figure), all the talk of change towards EV is just lip service, it will NEVER happen. would you wipe out £70 million plus vat per day off the books if you were in charge? didnt think so.
Affordable is a relative concept and as most of these Chinese cars sell for £30k upwards, twice the price they are in China I don't consider them affordable. With the exception of MG I can count on one hand the number of Chinese made EVs I've seen in the North of Scotland. No if they were on sale for around £20k that would be affordable to most people
I’ve recently bought a high end electric assisted mountain bike. I’ve had it 8 days and now been told not to ride it because of battery cracking problems. This isn’t a cheap make of bike and the brand has lots of experience in this field but the fault is the design and make of the battery! The battery is made by a Chinese company that are also a big brand! Not a great exierience for me on my first taste of EV life!
@ I initially test drove one at Everything Electric London Excel earlier this year. Was a lot of fun but didn’t think I’d be buying one. Used prices are crazy right now though and we got one for a steal, test drove it last week and it was still just as fun.
That would be great. Even better, knowing that 100% of Paraguay's energy comes from renewable sources, making it cheaper than energy from fossil fuels.
Hmm ... Because nobody cares? Most people in UK are no longer interested in EVs in the private sector so why on earth would you suppose we'd be interested in a tiny country"s efforts to go all EV? EVs are on their way out in UK. Even the car manufacturers acknowledge this. Battery factories have not emerged as we were promised ... probably on the grounds the money men see little or no return in the short term. Their cash can earn more of a quick return elsewhere. EVs were but a stepping stone to electric vehicles powered by hydrogen. Lugging around an enormous battery which is expensive to repair or replace appears not to make economic sense to the insurance industry. It's the insurance industry who will decide on premiums and if said premiums become too expensive for car owners what do you suppose will happen then? Judging by the naive comments we read at times the main audience to this platform is juveniles who are "stats obsessed" or those who simply want the performance ... until it becomes obvious that using the performance imposes massive penalties on range. We are glibly told that batteries will last "forever" (excuse hyperbole) despite being fast charged and driven fast. Would suggest this platform continues to "flog a dead horse" because their income depends on ads dressed up as infomercials so to speak. Come on Robert for goodness sakes wake up and smell the hydrogen. If Robert and colleagues really supports "all electric cars" then probably a shrewd notion to address hydrogen fuel cell cars sooner rather than later.
@@t1n4444 - Still banging the hydrogen transport drum I see. Interetingly those pesky BEV sales worldwide and in the UK are still increasing. Hydrogen vehicles less so, it's not a real interest of purchasers or investors anymore. Nor of government spending, with none of the 11 projects projects with £2b support announced in budget being transport related. Indeed even in the hydrogen mobility halo segment of trucking the automakers are turning their back to hydrogen. As pointed out only a few days ago by the German Institue for Economic Research (DIW), who has called on goverments to focus investment support on battery powered freight transport. One can of course educate oneself about the true timescales, scale of effort and the multitude of external factors involved for hydrogen to start to become a glimmer of a serious proposition. Perhaps the two esteemed UK engineering societies whose recent joint report on the the timeline to reach Net Zero with hydrogen is a good start. As report states, working back from 2050 target to now, hydrogen faces substantial hurdles in many forms - investment, infrastructure, innovation, regulatory and end user acceptance. Even the more modest government 10GW mixed green/grey hydrogen target is noted as requiring substantial factors to be overcome to be realised by 2030. Private sales in the UK are of no interest anymore regardless of fuel-type, although BEVs are still doing better than ICEV still in this sector, this is because the price of all cars has gone up signifcantly and finance is still expensive except for leasing options (PCP or company car), which is how most people fund car purchases these days.
Just to be clear the UK will not follow the European Union in imposing tariffs on Chinese-made electric cars sold in the UK. The existing tariffs placed on all foreign goods sold in the UK still applies. This is one of the few "Brexit benefits" thus far.
The Chinese EV's are so much better than everything legacy auto can make. Even Ford CEO Jim Farley will tell you. GWM are in the same price range as legacy auto. Better go for BYD and Dongfeng for quality and affordability. The Seagul is way less than the Dongfeng Nammi Box, the Box wins hands down for price/range/quality.
This applies to ICE vehicles as well. Here in South Africa, we've been getting a lot of Chinese cars lately, and they're just so much better than the legacy automakers' offerings. Not just "better for the money". I mean they're way better in general. They just happen to be more affordable.
Stellantis behemoth, European branch of an American company that's never made a profit & Nissan a company bailed out by Renault that hate Renault a truly British brand by all means.
Did you not know that none of the major motor manufacturers in the UK are British? They are all owned by other countries including China. The London Taxi Cabs are Chinese. If you think other countries making all the cars is going to kill the car industry in Europe then you haven't been paying attention.
@@trevorberridge6079 i wouldn't be surprised if Britain biggest revenue from automotive industry is the boring design and safety and testing bit. Tech dev as well. Not making the things.
Ahh yes much like German & American brands using China as a cash cow for their cars with older generation engines and is China seeing the cost now? The Chinese car market was dominated for decades by VW and with that money Germany is going to exact a deadly deadly attack unlike any wet dream you imagine china will supposedly do in the future.
@@scwebb Not so weird, China is the world’s biggest car market by a country mile and one many western companies have made, and are still making, fortunes in. Not easy sanctioning yourself from that market.
China is in some ways doing the world a favor, effectively subsidizing global EV uptake, in some ways not. Widespread adoption is good, but straining the scaling of the industry elsewhere is not. Not for the world as a whole at least. Not for the global transition. And I don't see a goal where one country seeks to dominate the EV industry as a viable long or even medium term goal. It's not an industry that can be dominated, by anybody, for long. Too many ways to skin the cat. Any country could make their own EVs already, and the tech is only becoming more and more accessible. The more forceful an attempt to dominate, the more pushback.
For every new disruptive technology there will be one country or one business that will take the lead, it's only natural. Nokia with their mobile phones, Apple with smart phones now China with electric cars, its just the way things are, you need to sell stuff to survive, the Wolf is fed by his legs
What is the good of that Brexit freedom even if excercised if our economy and industry is totally screwed over by the brexitdisaster. It’s completely hypothetical to suggest there is any benefit at all
😂 Is it the same can be say for their price in European continent? And EU say the price is still too low, so they put Tariff on it. But, year, some body is making too much for that price. It is either BYD or the dealer.
@@林振华-t4v Usually its the dealer setting the price at as much as they think they can get away with. BYD should sell direct on line like Tesla at the right price, shift millions !
How can embracing Chinese EVs be a Brexit dividend? Here in Denmark, BYD, MG and even Hongqi are quite common. Xpeng especially seems to be making the Germans suffer quite a bit. Nothing to do with Brexit, just a registration tax that favors EVs and a lot of people that wont buy Teslas.
@@eden5260 It's incredible none of the manufacturers asked for it. The political establishment pushed it so legacy EU manufacturers can sink faster by losing the China market.
Apparently yes, but in this case it might not be a bad thing. We won't buy the Chinese EVs as we value our own lives more than "value for money". But the Chinese EVs will, if permitted to be sold, pressure other automakers to lower prices.
Elliot lives in China You will not find a single western "car journalist" as they call themselves in China that isn't a mouthpiece of the Chinese car industry
@@amoondream what are you talking about? Why would building a car in China mean that your life was at risk to drive it? List of cars currently built in China and exported to the UK include: Lotus Eletre, MINI Electric, MINI Aceman, BMW iX3, Mercedes EQC
😂There is not that many thing to break on EV. For the 2 times I need to claim warrenty on my model 3. I wont even want to send it back to service center if I can desable the error message.
You need to provide source. I just had a quick look and can find no significant evidence to support your opinion. Chinese quality and service generally praised. I suspect your opinion is more political than technical.
Yes snowflake so are European, American, japanese literally every damm cars. It took 100s of companies fighting it out and so many years of development for chinese companies to produce such good cars. And unlike AdolVsWagon, they never relied on billions of eu taxpayer money to save them from bankrupcy - which they have well deserved, so many times.
True but this literally just happened: The U.S. Department of Commerce has awarded Intel up to $7.86 billion in direct funding through the U.S. CHIPS and Science Act to advance Intel’s commercial The same I guess?
Tariffs aren’t ideal, but are the right thing to do to avoid total decimation of western capability to engineer and manufacture things. Blame ourselves if you like but when you’re tempted to throw tens of thousands of £€$ on one of these cars, think whether it benefits your country and people at all.
@jamesengland7461 yes. It provides a lifeline of some kind, which could make the difference between our native industry surviving this period of disruption or being lost forever.
If you can't afford to throw even more tens of thousands on top you have no choice but to go to these brands. The only people who to blame are the people that continually push up prices, whilst stagnating wages.
@@dna9838 or we could do what the chinese do and throw tax payer money at the problem either make or create new companies than can compete with the Chinese and not hide people patriotic and tarriffs.
This is actually one of the biggest Brexit downsides. If the UK was still in the European Union it could have swung the vote against these ridiculous tariffs for the entire EU.
What i glean from this is that all you need in china is bling and screens and the actually well made well driving cars don't sell. Really makes me worry that our future cars will be worse than the ones today. If you had all cars on a lift instead of a nice display you would see what cheap labour and cost pressure gets you. I was worried with BYD entering the market. Then i worked on and tested two of them, and i have no interest of doing it again. Polestar was great, i hope they dont die in the crossfire. Or maybe i am just a lone expert and normal people quietly eat it all up if the price is right and lie themselves to sleep over how great all that stuff is.
GWM ORA have only just managed to struggle past 1k cars sold in a year in the UK, and despite their massive spend sponsoring the EUROs etc BYD are at 0.3% market share. It will take them a far longer to build significant share in the UK than this film seems to suggest. None of them (except MG) have yet understood the marketing challenge. Until they do it will be a slow and difficult battle for them.
Do you really want to be cheerleader for China with their Uyghur internment camps, social credit system and ccp involvement in many China companies? If anything we should buy less from China and move our production out of China.
There are no internment camps, just regular prisons for criminals like every country on earth. Social credit system is a total fabrication just like your internment camps and its the CPC not ccp which is a propaganda name conjured up in Washington to capitalize on the anti Communist and anti Soviet (CCCP) propaganda which the western population have been indoctrinated with.
Given that social media is full of videos of Chinese EV fires in China, what assurance do we have that the OEMs will apply better QC to their export cars? Will MG be the exception? Also, will European buyers be able to disable data theft and upload to the CCP easily? I think I'll wait and see.
Man you need a car with tin foil hat included, you hardly see ICE fire recorded because it's 1+1=2 and people act like fires have never started from a short circuit or a lightning strike but woah petrol isn't flammable like the world isn't round.
Try getting your news from a reliable news sources, preferably several different ones. Social media will feed you with what you want to see. If you are anti EV you will see anti EV stuff, if you like kitchen appliances you will see kitchen appliance stuff, if you are a Trump supporter you will see Trump stuff, if you care about the climate you'll get climate stuff. Social media runs on algorithms that only care about levels of engagement ... if you look at it you will be fed more of it... doesn't matter what "it" is.
Is this really right time to become more dependent on China, a dictatorship with prisoner camps and people disappearing. I’ve worked plenty in China - love the Chinese people and their culture. But damn I do not think we should make ourselves even more dependent on them.
Wait until people realise that the batteries can't be repaired, and that many spare parts are unavailable in Europe.. meaning you have to wait for several months before they are shipped out, if they ever are.. oh. And there are hardly any qualified technicians.. to resume you're basically buying a disposable vehicle.
making it sound like it's a good thing, you don't have to dig deep to find ethical problems in china, such, and you want us to buy from a country where human rights are near no existent for those making these vehicles? no wonder why they are cheap, cost saved from slave labour mining materials in south africa for batteries down to the finished product, built to 'save the environment' yet people will own them for 5 years before moving onto the next 'eco vehicle', and sure it's near to impossible to buy something now days that hasn't got the reds hands on it - but we only got ourselves to blame
Unfortunately you don't have to dig deep to find ethical problems in most countries and in most multinational companies. I'm not sure that China is out of step with this!
Not a Brexit benefit. Some Chinese manufacturers are failing too (Nio in trouble) and while I welcome the cheaper ones I fear there maintainability will be a problem as happened to someone I know with a BYD: took months to get a basic part replaced.
I think your definition of "huge sucess" differs from reality.......China doesn't want to build factories elsewhere, they have huge import tariffs on car imports, so we should reciprocate and level the playing field.......
Not true. BYD is building plants in Hungary, Brazil and most probably Mexico. Their plants in Uzbekistan and Thailand are already up and running. They could build a few more in EU if not for their recent imposition of higher tariffs.
Most Chinese EVs use LFP batteries, which are not prone to doing so. Also they used to be shoddy, but easily match the build quality of legacy manufacturers now.
If you look around your home and your city, you will find Chinese is the only choice out there that most people can afford. Imagine if there are no Made in China at all, like no Chinese smartphone. All of us would have to pay a thousand dollars for an overpriced Iphone. Now do you see the big picture?
@@kamsunleong6648 I fully understand 'the big picture' but I still refuse to support a dictator directly. Call me hypocritical all you want but I still want to support local businesses first and formost even if parts come from such countries. Further, it's only become this way because we have let it in the pursuit of ever increasing profit margins. Prices of products closer to home would not have been as high as you make them out to be if that higher percent profit margins was not pursued allllll the time. Then there are the ethical reasons for supporting a dictator.
We don't need to buy the Chinese EVs. At least I won't, as I value our own lives more than "value for money". But the Chinese EVs will, if permitted to be sold here, pressure other automakers to lower prices.
I have driven electric cars from China, a Tesla Y and a MG4. Good quality but bad vibes. I wish I didn't need to but not much else at the time. Therefore I'm glad that the EU et al are ramping up production of alternative cars. Why? The Chinese are fighting a hybrid war with the UK, EU and America but the public doesn't know it. They are destroying communication cables in the Baltic, lining up Taiwan for 2027/28 invasion, supporting Russia in a war, harassing shipping in Asia, destroyed satellites in orbit against protocols and dumping products to destroy our industries. This is especially in cars. I'm gladdened that tariffs will start. However we need to wean ourselves off all Chinese products to protect our security, trade and freedoms. IE: to say things about anyone there without fear of reprisal. Wake up.
@@kdbsuff9625 this may be the dumbest post I will see all day. Holy crap, old man. Stop with the projecting. The westerners are the warmongers. China's last war was 1978. JFC, please don't tell me you had a bunch of kids to pass this ignorance on to.
Chinese Cars Have Arrived - And It's Just The Beginning! Next are Armoured personel carriers, tanks, jetplanes and after all is settled and all the fires are extinguished Xi Jinping would give a speech on a square 😁
China does not have the warmongering imperialist mindset which is present in the western oligarchies so there is no chance of your delusions happening.
I'm in Detroit, me and my entire family worked for the US auto manufacturers and would never consider buying an import...until lately. We are tired of paying $60,000 for outdated, poor-quality automobiles. I bought an American brand luxury SUV five years ago and have no plans to ever buy a new car again unless the prices drop dramatically. On the other hand, the Chinese offer affordable, stylish, high-tech automobiles and reasonable prices. In an effort to protect the American market the US government has imposed a ridiculous 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Our only hope for an affordable car here in America is if BYD buys the Chrysler group using the current factories to build cars here and avoid the import tariffs. If that doesn't happen, I'll be buying used cars from here on out.
You mentioned the slow move toward EVs here in America. There is a huge push by the legacy US automakers to demonize EVs because of the tremendous profits in dealership repair costs. Additionally, I suspect that the petroleum industry is involved as well because in America we use (approximately) an astonishing 369 million gallons of gasoline _per day_ !
The Chrysler group is owned by Stellantis, I believe, and I'm not aware of them being interested in hiving off their US names or production.
However, Stellantis recently acquired 20% of Leap Motor, and 50% of their export business. That might result in them selling the Leap Motor models in the USA.
In many ways the C10 is an extremely boring mid sized SUV. However, it does have the greatest towing capacity in its class (1,5T), has a reasonable range (400km)... and is priced so low (€35K before subsidies) that I can forgive its lack of buttons. There again, at that price I don't mind having to use voice activation, because it is "mid sized" even by US standards (think VW Tiguan+ interior space).
Cubans are still driving classic vehicles of the 50s but some upgrades to EV from China lately 😊
True, american made cars are shit
You wanna work at BYD or the Shanghai Tesla plant for $19k a year, with 36 hours of overtime a month? Have fun.
As soon as the chinese government get control of Car manufacturing worldwide they will obviousally then increase prices .The chinese government have made it their objective to destroy Western manufacturing , they basically own the chinese car companies, none of these comapnies need to make a profit right now , their job is to take over the industry .
Meanwhile they are sending democracy protesters in Hong Kong to prison for life , Yea ,so lets support the CCP !
I bought a BYD Seal in Australia, this is the best car I have ever driven in my life.
I don't want to drive an ICE car anymore.
Remember people laughing at the Japanese in the sixties?
Remember people laughing at the Koreans in the seventies.
They're not laughing now.
hmmmmm......people were laughing at the Koreans in 90's, but you are correct, they certainly are not laughing now, but in the US, they are crying. I remember when the US tried to stop imports of Japanese cars and motorbikes in the 80's by imposing large tariffs against them. It didn't work then, and it sure as hell wont work now.
Only taken 9 years for someone to find a benefit of Brexit😂
And I don't even get that there is one. Why build factories in the UK if they can build them on the continent and not have the shipping/customs hassle.
As I've said elsewhere it's actually a benefit of the failure of Brexit. So they're still looking. 🤣
It started on day 1, guess you’re still watching the BBC, maybe get out a little more.
@jasonmugridge NO-ONE has come up with a benefit. Some like Rees-Mogg have even admitted there aren't any.
@@jasonmugridge Lets see a list please; we'll wait.
Many decades ago, (to the best of my recollection) an economist was commenting on the decline of manufacturing in the USA, he stated, “Japan will be making everything and we will be selling each other insurance”. Seems to becoming true in a global form.
US manufacturing value-added output now only represents about 14% of the global total. China now represents about 32% and climbing. China now has more than the US and EU combined, and that gap is growing by the day.
If we can use an all-China-made iPhone, TV, fridge, and every other electronic in our homes, I don't know what the problem with Chinese EVs being on our roads is.
Absolutely! Spot on - in my opinion!
thata very different. Those are designed by chinese company backed by ccp
@lscangus wtf wrong with ccp are you anti chinese?? Are you anti with different people different religion different political systems
Chinese EVs are very unsafe if you are unfortunately in an accident in a Chinese EV. Just check news of Chinese EV accidents in China. To be safe
I'd rather be in a Fiat Panda than in a "luxury" Chinese NIO or BYD EV
@@satplm3011 the ccp oppresses others than the han chinese, they force people to concentration camps. That should be more than enough of a reason to boycot these chinese manufacturers.
I have got an MG4 Trophy and it’s a fabulous machine. Long range, quick charging, comfortable, very quick and handles really well. It’s also very practical and was affordable. No reason to miss out on better more affordable cars and absolutely no excuses for buying an ICE car these days!
I see more and more models from BYDs on the road here in the EU. Tariffs won't stop anything.
Tariffs have done wonders for the Chinese, it’s forced their companies to innovate, the CCP must be over the moon.
Describing the GWM ORA as "cheap" when it starts at £32k in the UK demonstrates the problem.
I'd love an EV but when the "cheap" cars are £32k i cannot afford.
BTW the ORA in China is £11k
That's because in China they are heavily subsidized and discounted by brands so that people buy them. I also heard that people would trade-in their EVs like they trade-in their phones for newer ones every time there's a new version coming out etc.
All in all, the EV market is over saturated there thats why they sell cheap and also they're trying to sell them outside of China to overcome the incoming decline of government support for local brands.
I live in south east asia and there are 10 new Chinese brands that gets introduced this year and all of them just converted their LHD model to RHD in a hurry to introduce it to us, plus having fierce price competition with each other. It's quite a show to see, but I don't know how they'll survive in a long run.
The average price of a new car for the last ten years has been around £35k. The base Ora sits just below that mark. It's not expensive. It's also not the only EV in the world. So using it to support the old and totally false idea that EVs are generally too expensive is weak water. Firstly, as your own statement implies, if China were not caned with high tariffs they could sell the Ora in the UK much closer to the £11k price tag of China. Secondly you don't even need to look to China for cheap EVs in the UK. The Dacia Spring can be bought for under £15k new. It's about the third cheapest car you can get whether ICE or EV. The fact is that if you can't afford a £32k car then you can't afford most of the new ICE cars on the market either. And this is the tip of the iceberg. The fact is that EVs have passed the point where they will always be cheaper to make than an equivalent ICE car. Once certain dealers stop bumping up the prices falsely when they realise their more honest competitors are undercutting them we'll see prices fall again and again. Sub £20k EVs are here. Just a fact.
VW ID3 £12,000 in China and still not selling well enough because of all the local competition.
@@HNRichard heavy subsidy my ass, 2024 Toyota Corolla cost £9k in China brand new, I don’t think they subsidize Toyota.
@@trevorberridge6079 They already are! I just bought a pre-reg Nissan Leaf (74 plate) for 18K, very nice car!
Britain needs to embrace having Chinese EV factories in the UK.
Chery just rolled the first car off a new assembly line yesterday as a jv with a Spanish company. That's why Spain no longer supports the tariffs. China will only build in countries who vote against the tariffs. Makes the EU fight one another.
China has been doing that and taking advantage of the broken EU for a long time
Beginning of the end for European car industry
If so, then they only have themselves to blame. China has been building up to this point, in plain sight, for at least 15 years.
Nonsense
Renault & friends are doing fine and most of the Stellantis brands aren't bad either despite their insistence of doing multi-powertrain platforms. BMW is doing okay and Mercedes has some tech up it's sleeve... It seems that only VW group is in the deep, though even they have a potential hit on their hands with Elroq.
it is like the European mobile phone and electronic industry.
@@229andymon and they all partnered with them
Australian car industry is all but gone now, so they allow Chinese cars in. Wife drives an electric MG for work and she prefers it to all otherS on the fleet.
I found this to be a most bizarre take on tariffs and Brexit. Local (EU) experience shows BYD and the rest (or their national distributor) charge the highest price they believe the market will pay, typically pitched just below the price of any similar Tesla. Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, nothing to do with VAT or safety belt height, just extract the highest possible price. Where are these Chinese EVs in the teens of thousands you so ably report on from China? FCS profits from these brands exhibiting at your shows so I understand you can't challenge them, which is why I am here. Thanks for all your videos, here and on your own channel.
Many car brands have boycotted FCS in the past because they DON'T curry favour.
Isn't this the way all business is carried out -you charge what the market can bare.
Also a country like China will not likely flood the market with cars if it means they will face higher and higher tariffs.We should also understand there is still a bias against Chinese cars similar to what the Japanese faced 60 years ago that will slow their uptake.
"Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, "
Not true, the EU places tariffs on each automaker depending on how many uncompetitive practices the company employs. MG attract the highest tariffs, BYD somewhat lower. The EU only applies tariffs in relation to the uncompetitive practices employed, not on a national position. OTOH, the EU is considering placing blanket tariffs on Chinese products for other reasons, mostly political.
Our energy prices are horrendously high, that alone will most likely deter the likes of China or any other foreign manufacturer for that matter from choosing this country to establish a manufacturing base.
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Ok Xi!
Agreed. The proper gander from the west isn't even new. If you read about historical relations, you'd see that proper gander about China and other Asian countries was always a large focus of the US.
Nice bot
BYD is already gaining in popularity in Norway with the HAN, SEAL 4x4 & Sealion 7 which are all starting to become a fairly common sight in my town atm. The smaller Dolphin is not something I've seen more than 2-3 times, even tho it's heavily promoted atm. Hongqi is not a rare sight either. Tho I say starting to become a common sight. It's ofc nowhere near Tesla sightings. Or the big 3 sellers atm with VW, Hyundai, and Toyota EVs that still sell way more in my hometown area. But they still are a common sight on the top 10 seller list
It is all about who leads in battery technology... Seems it is increasingly no longer about who has the most efficient and reliable ICE engine...
There is a Vauxhall factory in Luton that desperately needs saving. If a Chinese manufacturer needs a European factory now might be the time to make a move. It could save many of the jobs that will otherwise be lost.
Mind you, if the Chinese can continue to make their EVs super-cheap - no "EV premium" as there's no ICE version to protect - then there's the prospect that, even with tariffs, they still remain competitive with the "EV Premium" European cars, which are all aimed at the luxury end anyway.
This channel has been (rightly) saying forever that what's needed is a cheap "people's EV". Not a luxury SUV super car, with a million electronic features and a ridiculous price tag. Just a simple EV that works well for a cheap price.
If China responds to that call - which they can, because they've produced super-cheap EVs for their own markets - then they could still kick arse, even with all the tariffs applied on top.
War against affordable EVs and clean sustainable energy.
Stop saying affordable about 30k plus cars. Ora funky Cat is three times the price in the UK than in China it is not affordable or value for money!
The UK prices are what other cars already cost here. We pay much more for all cars. Maybe competition will bring down prices but I doubt it. I think the manufacturers all price high in the UK like a cartel.
The base Ora is CHEAPER than the average car price in the UK. Just a fact.
@@RichardHilditchsupply and demand, enough competition and prices will start to come down.
But even so, Chinese cars are still accused of being cheap, showing how greedy manufacturers from other countries are?
Does the ORA support Apple CarPlay yet?
I am PRO EV, just ordered my 2nd lease....BUT the government here in U.K will NEVER buy into this brilliant idea, why? because they dont really want to lose £70 million PER DAY on excise duty (which also has 20% V.A.T on top of that figure), all the talk of change towards EV is just lip service, it will NEVER happen. would you wipe out £70 million plus vat per day off the books if you were in charge? didnt think so.
Affordable is a relative concept and as most of these Chinese cars sell for £30k upwards, twice the price they are in China I don't consider them affordable. With the exception of MG I can count on one hand the number of Chinese made EVs I've seen in the North of Scotland. No if they were on sale for around £20k that would be affordable to most people
@@grahamcastle8189 If you see Teslas, they’ll have been made in China.
Without tariffs, most Chinese EV would sell at 15k-25k price range with all the upgrade gadgets you’d have to pay 10k with legacy brands.
Err Toyota Corolla starts at £30k?
I’ve recently bought a high end electric assisted mountain bike. I’ve had it 8 days and now been told not to ride it because of battery cracking problems. This isn’t a cheap make of bike and the brand has lots of experience in this field but the fault is the design and make of the battery!
The battery is made by a Chinese company that are also a big brand!
Not a great exierience for me on my first taste of EV life!
Just bought a used Funky Cat. Picking up tomorrow.
Get back funky cat!
Let us know how it is
I was looking at the funky cat i think its really cool looking. Will be doing a test drive next week
@ I initially test drove one at Everything Electric London Excel earlier this year. Was a lot of fun but didn’t think I’d be buying one. Used prices are crazy right now though and we got one for a steal, test drove it last week and it was still just as fun.
I like the seagul
It looks great, only issues IMO are lack of split rear seats and rear window wiper, hope European/UK have them.
No one MENTIONS selling EV'S TO Paraguay, that's an untapped market
Do they have the infrastructure for EV
That would be great. Even better, knowing that 100% of Paraguay's energy comes from renewable sources, making it cheaper than energy from fossil fuels.
Hmm ... Because nobody cares?
Most people in UK are no longer interested in EVs in the private sector so why on earth would you suppose we'd be interested in a tiny country"s efforts to go all EV?
EVs are on their way out in UK. Even the car manufacturers acknowledge this.
Battery factories have not emerged as we were promised ... probably on the grounds the money men see little or no return in the short term.
Their cash can earn more of a quick return elsewhere.
EVs were but a stepping stone to electric vehicles powered by hydrogen.
Lugging around an enormous battery which is expensive to repair or replace appears not to make economic sense to the insurance industry.
It's the insurance industry who will decide on premiums and if said premiums become too expensive for car owners what do you suppose will happen then?
Judging by the naive comments we read at times the main audience to this platform is juveniles who are "stats obsessed" or those who simply want the performance ... until it becomes obvious that using the performance imposes massive penalties on range.
We are glibly told that batteries will last "forever" (excuse hyperbole) despite being fast charged and driven fast.
Would suggest this platform continues to "flog a dead horse" because their income depends on ads dressed up as infomercials so to speak.
Come on Robert for goodness sakes wake up and smell the hydrogen.
If Robert and colleagues really supports "all electric cars" then probably a shrewd notion to address hydrogen fuel cell cars sooner rather than later.
@@t1n4444 - Still banging the hydrogen transport drum I see. Interetingly those pesky BEV sales worldwide and in the UK are still increasing. Hydrogen vehicles less so, it's not a real interest of purchasers or investors anymore. Nor of government spending, with none of the 11 projects projects with £2b support announced in budget being transport related.
Indeed even in the hydrogen mobility halo segment of trucking the automakers are turning their back to hydrogen. As pointed out only a few days ago by the German Institue for Economic Research (DIW), who has called on goverments to focus investment support on battery powered freight transport.
One can of course educate oneself about the true timescales, scale of effort and the multitude of external factors involved for hydrogen to start to become a glimmer of a serious proposition.
Perhaps the two esteemed UK engineering societies whose recent joint report on the the timeline to reach Net Zero with hydrogen is a good start.
As report states, working back from 2050 target to now, hydrogen faces substantial hurdles in many forms - investment, infrastructure, innovation, regulatory and end user acceptance.
Even the more modest government 10GW mixed green/grey hydrogen target is noted as requiring substantial factors to be overcome to be realised by 2030.
Private sales in the UK are of no interest anymore regardless of fuel-type, although BEVs are still doing better than ICEV still in this sector, this is because the price of all cars has gone up signifcantly and finance is still expensive except for leasing options (PCP or company car), which is how most people fund car purchases these days.
@@t1n4444love it, glad someone still has a sense of humour these days 😂😂😂
Just to be clear the UK will not follow the European Union in imposing tariffs on Chinese-made electric cars sold in the UK. The existing tariffs placed on all foreign goods sold in the UK still applies. This is one of the few "Brexit benefits" thus far.
The Chinese EV's are so much better than everything legacy auto can make. Even Ford CEO Jim Farley will tell you.
GWM are in the same price range as legacy auto.
Better go for BYD and Dongfeng for quality and affordability.
The Seagul is way less than the Dongfeng Nammi Box, the Box wins hands down for price/range/quality.
This applies to ICE vehicles as well. Here in South Africa, we've been getting a lot of Chinese cars lately, and they're just so much better than the legacy automakers' offerings. Not just "better for the money". I mean they're way better in general. They just happen to be more affordable.
love that final comment ...'we need to embrace change rather than fighting it'.......absolutely.
lol, that's not what is happening in America with the new election ;)
Where are the greatest British car brands - Vauxhall, Ford, Nissan?
Stellantis behemoth, European branch of an American company that's never made a profit & Nissan a company bailed out by Renault that hate Renault a truly British brand by all means.
@@Kennon959 Nissan is about to go belly up after Renault pull the plug. They've miss the Hybrid and EV train.
Since when was Nissan a British car brand? Their headquarters are in Yokohama, Japan.
@@NickFoster It's satire, none of them are British, only one which ever was is Vauxhall, but ceased to be 99 years ago.
@@Steven-vo4ee I apologise, I've read soooo many stupid anti-ev comments on news items today I didn't recognise sarcasm without a /s
China car manufacturing is really getting to show the EU that was sleeping on them for too long
Why is the uk putting tariffs on the Chinese cars? Could be a brexit benefit , it's not like the uk makes anything anyway 😂
It is hard to believe that US and China fight. But it is the European Union get torn apart. 😂
Are you to practice your English?
What is this nonsense you wrote
@@eden5260which part you dont understand. I will try to explain. 😂
@@eden5260Dude. It's really not difficult to understand what he's saying.
@@eden5260CCP are on to you now 😂
When nobody in Europe has a job who will buy all these wonderful cars?
Did you not know that none of the major motor manufacturers in the UK are British? They are all owned by other countries including China. The London Taxi Cabs are Chinese. If you think other countries making all the cars is going to kill the car industry in Europe then you haven't been paying attention.
They should have thought of that in the first place. Paying off all our debts with inflation was always going to end in tears.
The robots that employ us of course !
@@trevorberridge6079 i wouldn't be surprised if Britain biggest revenue from automotive industry is the boring design and safety and testing bit. Tech dev as well. Not making the things.
@@jasonmugridge You don't pay off debts with inflation, you make the debt look smaller.
Thanks
Yep China sucking in all that foreign exchange it will cost us dearly in the not to distant future. VW already paying the price
Learn difference between too and to
It is an open Market
@@Asad-2166 Europe or China?
@@patshiels5429 be should stop making crappy cars.
Ahh yes much like German & American brands using China as a cash cow for their cars with older generation engines and is China seeing the cost now? The Chinese car market was dominated for decades by VW and with that money Germany is going to exact a deadly deadly attack unlike any wet dream you imagine china will supposedly do in the future.
I have the MG4 and now can get mine new at 26.5K and it is the top of the range ... never mind what second hand is now and no regrets at all
Second hand, lets do what the spin doctors do and call it Pre-loved !
@@stevenbarrett7648 Looking for new parents to adopt it.
Are Chinese EVs the first brexit benefit?
EU have anti Chinese car tariffs, we don't have to align to protect German manufacturing.....
Germany actually voted against tarrifs on Chinese EV. I think EU will turn around. only the US will be isolated islands of gas guzzling pickup trucks.
Weirdly the German automotive industry would rather the EU weren’t aligning to protect their manufacturing 🙄
@@scwebb Not so weird, China is the world’s biggest car market by a country mile and one many western companies have made, and are still making, fortunes in.
Not easy sanctioning yourself from that market.
@@229andymon foreign brands market share is absolutely crashing in China. Their hay day of massive profits in China is over.
@@Lewis_Standing Yup, and they sat watching that train come down the line.
The only automobile I ever want to buy is a Chinese EV. Too bad I live in the United States of America instead of the People's Republic of China.
China is in some ways doing the world a favor, effectively subsidizing global EV uptake, in some ways not. Widespread adoption is good, but straining the scaling of the industry elsewhere is not. Not for the world as a whole at least. Not for the global transition. And I don't see a goal where one country seeks to dominate the EV industry as a viable long or even medium term goal.
It's not an industry that can be dominated, by anybody, for long. Too many ways to skin the cat. Any country could make their own EVs already, and the tech is only becoming more and more accessible. The more forceful an attempt to dominate, the more pushback.
For every new disruptive technology there will be one country or one business that will take the lead, it's only natural. Nokia with their mobile phones, Apple with smart phones now China with electric cars, its just the way things are, you need to sell stuff to survive, the Wolf is fed by his legs
What is the good of that Brexit freedom even if excercised if our economy and industry is totally screwed over by the brexitdisaster. It’s completely hypothetical to suggest there is any benefit at all
Discount cars that have an inbuilt energy source that doesn’t need imported oil. Well that’s a win on top of a win for the British economy.
I want to try the Yangwang - it looks really cool , very strong
It’s amazing
BYD's UK prices are grossly inflated. I refuse to even consider them on principle.
😂 Is it the same can be say for their price in European continent? And EU say the price is still too low, so they put Tariff on it. But, year, some body is making too much for that price. It is either BYD or the dealer.
True . Look at the prices in Australia.
@@林振华-t4v Usually its the dealer setting the price at as much as they think they can get away with. BYD should sell direct on line like Tesla at the right price, shift millions !
Ya well Jaguar has just pulled up their knickers.
How can embracing Chinese EVs be a Brexit dividend? Here in Denmark, BYD, MG and even Hongqi are quite common. Xpeng especially seems to be making the Germans suffer quite a bit. Nothing to do with Brexit, just a registration tax that favors EVs and a lot of people that wont buy Teslas.
If the EU votes for the tariffs you are going to pay them . Is it hard to understand?
@@eden5260 It's incredible none of the manufacturers asked for it. The political establishment pushed it so legacy EU manufacturers can sink faster by losing the China market.
What is vertical integration?
It means they make all the components themselves. BYD makes their own batteries, glass, air filter, etc. they even have their own shipping companies.
Is this video sponsored by .... China???
Yes.
I was paid about 2 trillion USD.
Apparently yes, but in this case it might not be a bad thing. We won't buy the Chinese EVs as we value our own lives more than "value for money". But the Chinese EVs will, if permitted to be sold, pressure other automakers to lower prices.
Elliot lives in China
You will not find a single western "car journalist" as they call themselves in China that isn't a mouthpiece of the Chinese car industry
@@amoondreamsome of the safest cars recently tested by EURO NCAP are Chinese cars.
@@amoondream what are you talking about? Why would building a car in China mean that your life was at risk to drive it? List of cars currently built in China and exported to the UK include: Lotus Eletre, MINI Electric, MINI Aceman, BMW iX3, Mercedes EQC
Warranties, reliability - these are so critical to me. MG came plumb last in recent surveys - I'm now steering clear of buying them.
😂There is not that many thing to break on EV. For the 2 times I need to claim warrenty on my model 3. I wont even want to send it back to service center if I can desable the error message.
You need to provide source. I just had a quick look and can find no significant evidence to support your opinion. Chinese quality and service generally praised. I suspect your opinion is more political than technical.
So Brexit was about getting Chinese cars to UK without annoying byrocrats in Brussels? 😂
4:43 And this position is called "Mama Maggie’s just dropped the soap in the shower in front of Uncle John.
Your handlers in the US would never let you
Right when I believed your content couldn’t get better, you take it higher.
Wouldn't touch a Chinese EV with a bargepole
I don't like MG their interiors are cheap as hell, the ora funky cat looks and feels good mostly though. And BYD are good other than the atto
Plagiarism I know, but I like the quote: “That is why restaurants have menus”
I have a Chinese made Tesla model 3
Me too, and I specifically wanted a chinese made over American made. USA is making worst quality when it comes to cars.
@@jessetuomi9588also airplanes. The only quality still Americans make are bombs
I'm sure Musk will use your money well.
Not.
With blade battery?
@@chp9450 It's a CATL prismatic battery.
why you are not mentioning that the Chinese cars are government subsidized and that's the reason why they're so cheap?
Lol
Who cares? The oil industry has been subsidized for decades.
What difference would that make? Why can't other governments do the same ?
Yes snowflake so are European, American, japanese literally every damm cars. It took 100s of companies fighting it out and so many years of development for chinese companies to produce such good cars. And unlike AdolVsWagon, they never relied on billions of eu taxpayer money to save them from bankrupcy - which they have well deserved, so many times.
True but this literally just happened:
The U.S. Department of Commerce has awarded Intel up to $7.86 billion in direct funding through the U.S. CHIPS and Science Act to advance Intel’s commercial
The same I guess?
no thank you.
Thank you for the input, famboy
Backward fear mongers
@@i6power30 yup, the Tesla fanboys are the worst.
Tariffs aren’t ideal, but are the right thing to do to avoid total decimation of western capability to engineer and manufacture things. Blame ourselves if you like but when you’re tempted to throw tens of thousands of £€$ on one of these cars, think whether it benefits your country and people at all.
Does buying a homemade car from a company that is way behind and overpriced really benefit your home country?
@jamesengland7461 yes. It provides a lifeline of some kind, which could make the difference between our native industry surviving this period of disruption or being lost forever.
If you can't afford to throw even more tens of thousands on top you have no choice but to go to these brands.
The only people who to blame are the people that continually push up prices, whilst stagnating wages.
@@dna9838 or we could do what the chinese do and throw tax payer money at the problem either make or create new companies than can compete with the Chinese and not hide people patriotic and tarriffs.
So you’ll be buying a new Nokia for your next phone…
GAC Aion
Ill buy a Chinese EV over (f)elon musk anyday.....
This is actually one of the biggest Brexit downsides. If the UK was still in the European Union it could have swung the vote against these ridiculous tariffs for the entire EU.
Will never buy Chinese cars
What i glean from this is that all you need in china is bling and screens and the actually well made well driving cars don't sell.
Really makes me worry that our future cars will be worse than the ones today.
If you had all cars on a lift instead of a nice display you would see what cheap labour and cost pressure gets you.
I was worried with BYD entering the market. Then i worked on and tested two of them, and i have no interest of doing it again. Polestar was great, i hope they dont die in the crossfire.
Or maybe i am just a lone expert and normal people quietly eat it all up if the price is right and lie themselves to sleep over how great all that stuff is.
GWM ORA have only just managed to struggle past 1k cars sold in a year in the UK, and despite their massive spend sponsoring the EUROs etc BYD are at 0.3% market share. It will take them a far longer to build significant share in the UK than this film seems to suggest. None of them (except MG) have yet understood the marketing challenge. Until they do it will be a slow and difficult battle for them.
Yeh I opted out of the ora cat because they're still using NCM batteries.
Do you really want to be cheerleader for China with their Uyghur internment camps, social credit system and ccp involvement in many China companies? If anything we should buy less from China and move our production out of China.
Elliot is not allowed to talk about this as he is based in China and it would mean big trouble for him.
There are no internment camps, just regular prisons for criminals like every country on earth. Social credit system is a total fabrication just like your internment camps and its the CPC not ccp which is a propaganda name conjured up in Washington to capitalize on the anti Communist and anti Soviet (CCCP) propaganda which the western population have been indoctrinated with.
Never ask VW if they are producing with uyghur camps. It is not only chinese brands that use the cheap labor.
Not sure if any of that was true.
Still waiting for evidence regarding the uygurs. And governments also have shares on european brands.
BYD or MG have got everything… BUT efficiency 😂 their EVs are in 3-3.5 miles/kWh annual average.
Lot a security risk. The cars take you biometrics and track your movement and send that right back to Xi JinPing
That's true . Then they harvest your body parts like they do to the Muslims
and?
As opposed to Google?
yeah President Xi is really interested in Jimmy's trips to Tescos.😂
@@AyeAye-o8t they might find out about my Jaffa cake addiction
As a UK channel, why is this video referring to tarriffs? Brexit is protecting us from the French-led EU tarriffs at present and long may that remain.
Given that social media is full of videos of Chinese EV fires in China, what assurance do we have that the OEMs will apply better QC to their export cars? Will MG be the exception? Also, will European buyers be able to disable data theft and upload to the CCP easily? I think I'll wait and see.
Social media is full of crap.
Man you need a car with tin foil hat included, you hardly see ICE fire recorded because it's 1+1=2 and people act like fires have never started from a short circuit or a lightning strike but woah petrol isn't flammable like the world isn't round.
good on ya for getting all your news from social media LOL
Try getting your news from a reliable news sources, preferably several different ones. Social media will feed you with what you want to see. If you are anti EV you will see anti EV stuff, if you like kitchen appliances you will see kitchen appliance stuff, if you are a Trump supporter you will see Trump stuff, if you care about the climate you'll get climate stuff. Social media runs on algorithms that only care about levels of engagement ... if you look at it you will be fed more of it... doesn't matter what "it" is.
Fires are almost all on plug in hybrids not BEVs.
Is this really right time to become more dependent on China, a dictatorship with prisoner camps and people disappearing.
I’ve worked plenty in China - love the Chinese people and their culture. But damn I do not think we should make ourselves even more dependent on them.
Better China than Elon, I guess. I reckon EU manufacturers will be fine, though...
Wait until people realise that the batteries can't be repaired, and that many spare parts are unavailable in Europe.. meaning you have to wait for several months before they are shipped out, if they ever are.. oh. And there are hardly any qualified technicians.. to resume you're basically buying a disposable vehicle.
All vehicles are disposable. You keep it for 30 years and they will be worth peanuts.
GWM Europe gave up and Chinese electric vehicles in lower price ranges cost up to 2.5 times the price in China. So I lost all hope.😥
only racists dislike chinese cars
making it sound like it's a good thing, you don't have to dig deep to find ethical problems in china, such, and you want us to buy from a country where human rights are near no existent for those making these vehicles? no wonder why they are cheap, cost saved from slave labour mining materials in south africa for batteries down to the finished product, built to 'save the environment' yet people will own them for 5 years before moving onto the next 'eco vehicle', and sure it's near to impossible to buy something now days that hasn't got the reds hands on it - but we only got ourselves to blame
Unfortunately you don't have to dig deep to find ethical problems in most countries and in most multinational companies. I'm not sure that China is out of step with this!
Not a Brexit benefit. Some Chinese manufacturers are failing too (Nio in trouble) and while I welcome the cheaper ones I fear there maintainability will be a problem as happened to someone I know with a BYD: took months to get a basic part replaced.
There are news that BYD will acquire NIO
I think your definition of "huge sucess" differs from reality.......China doesn't want to build factories elsewhere, they have huge import tariffs on car imports, so we should reciprocate and level the playing field.......
Not true. BYD is building plants in Hungary, Brazil and most probably Mexico. Their plants in Uzbekistan and Thailand are already up and running. They could build a few more in EU if not for their recent imposition of higher tariffs.
@@kamsunleong6648 Screwing a kit car together that's made in china isn't the same as building a car locally.
Here comes the shoddy self-combusting shite
That's BMW 5 series diesels
(According to UK Police.... That's why they dumped them.... Google it)
Most Chinese EVs use LFP batteries, which are not prone to doing so.
Also they used to be shoddy, but easily match the build quality of legacy manufacturers now.
@@Steven-vo4ee And here I was thinking the parent was talking about the standard of UA-cam posters... :p
Someone have been watching racist propaganda channels like captain apartheid.
Here comes the shoddy commentator.
Good or bad buying chinese would be a last choice if at all!
If you look around your home and your city, you will find Chinese is the only choice out there that most people can afford. Imagine if there are no Made in China at all, like no Chinese smartphone. All of us would have to pay a thousand dollars for an overpriced Iphone. Now do you see the big picture?
You should thank them for making all these necessities affordable for both Europeans and Americans.
@@kamsunleong6648 I fully understand 'the big picture' but I still refuse to support a dictator directly. Call me hypocritical all you want but I still want to support local businesses first and formost even if parts come from such countries. Further, it's only become this way because we have let it in the pursuit of ever increasing profit margins. Prices of products closer to home would not have been as high as you make them out to be if that higher percent profit margins was not pursued allllll the time. Then there are the ethical reasons for supporting a dictator.
This video is sponsored by the brown envelope department of BYD ( Burn Your Driveway)
Since when was MG Chinese? I thought it was only Chinese owned? MG is a British brand? Are we saying jaguar and landrover are Indian now?
We don't need to buy the Chinese EVs. At least I won't, as I value our own lives more than "value for money".
But the Chinese EVs will, if permitted to be sold here, pressure other automakers to lower prices.
I have driven electric cars from China, a Tesla Y and a MG4. Good quality but bad vibes.
I wish I didn't need to but not much else at the time.
Therefore I'm glad that the EU et al are ramping up production of alternative cars.
Why?
The Chinese are fighting a hybrid war with the UK, EU and America but the public doesn't know it. They are destroying communication cables in the Baltic, lining up Taiwan for 2027/28 invasion, supporting Russia in a war, harassing shipping in Asia, destroyed satellites in orbit against protocols and dumping products to destroy our industries. This is especially in cars.
I'm gladdened that tariffs will start.
However we need to wean ourselves off all Chinese products to protect our security, trade and freedoms. IE: to say things about anyone there without fear of reprisal.
Wake up.
@@kdbsuff9625 this may be the dumbest post I will see all day. Holy crap, old man. Stop with the projecting. The westerners are the warmongers. China's last war was 1978. JFC, please don't tell me you had a bunch of kids to pass this ignorance on to.
As supposed to the French which still has colonies in Africa? Or USA which has invaded 13 countries in the last 70 years?
@elmouto3883 yeah, that guy is crazy
Chinese Eevee's are like excellent cheap Chinese toys painted with lead paint, seems like a great deal until things go bad
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@@Teapode 🥱😴. Being a coward is no way to go thru life
China does not have the warmongering imperialist mindset which is present in the western oligarchies so there is no chance of your delusions happening.
@@Teapode that's crazy, old timer. Get out of the house. Stop watching the news.
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Is that a euphemism?