Americans: the ping would get you killed Germans: actually we were never able to hear the ping Americans: nope, the ping got you killed. They’d know you were empty and pop up and shoot you Germans: it was coincidence, it was always too loud to hear th- Americans: THE PING GOT YA KILLED
This myth doesn't even come out of actual veterans' mouths. What they might tell you, though, is that if by some chance you did hear your buddy's ping next to you, you stopped shooting until he finished his reload.
Ive heard stories about American soldiers who while pinned down in buildings would throw spent clips to the floor to trick enemy soldiers into thinking they were empty. Not sure how true this story is, but it kinda makes sense.
The only time I could see this working is in a close quarter stealthy kind of mission... But if you're shooting all your rounds then you're probably not very good at stealth
+Sagrotan Not at all. With the amount of fire even a small patrol can exchange, and how loud that combat would be without earplugs, a little ping noise like that is going to be really hard to hear irl, much less act on in a non-suicidal way. You should watch some actual combat footage to get a sense of how much different it is than movies or games.
wars are fought at a distance not in the same room , infantry fight and act in groups so a ping means nothing , the whole ping is a post 60s bit of revisionists crap'
@@royalraptorgaming8501 Even then you are not clearing rooms alone. Just because you can hear a ping doesn’t mean its just Joe with a Garand, there could very well also be Bob over there with a Thompson or John right about there with an M1 Carbine.
@@dunadan7136 yeah, the circumstances for the ping to be a viable tactic or counter tactic are so slim, it would only be viable against a single opponent with the garand, and if you used the ping to trick your enemy , i hope the germans would be smart enough to know theres more than just 1 guy with a garand out there usually lol, so yes, as cool as the ping tactic sounds its just not viable, could it have happened to a lone GI who got clever? maybe, but whose to say that lone GI even survived.
@@royalraptorgaming8501 And then there’s the issue that even if the German has heard it, chances are that he has to leave his nice defensive position and exposing himself just to be able to get to you.
If you heard a ping, would you stake your life on a 1/3 chance against the enemy baiting you with an extra clip by banging it against their helmet and also be counting on the chance they're not also armed with a sidearm?
At which point the american would already be in cover, reloading. The ping is hard to hear over the report of the round unless the en bloc clip hits a hard surface anyway.
what were you not going to buy one in the off chance that someone heard you reloading ? I mean unless if you're planning on using it for home defense and in that case it only makes a bit of sense.
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Gabriel Gianni Nothing of the sort. After watching the video I just came to the conclusion that the Garand is bad ass and I should really get one :D
i would bet my biggest piggy bank that there is no way under any circumstances, with tons of shoot, planes, tanks, artillery, that no one would here that 'ping'
I feel like maybe a few German soldiers were killed because of hearing the ping. This would be because some situations only involved a few soldiers and that's why. Not as many as people really think but definitely a few.
damiion666 he has a video explaining how he doesn’t get it. It has to do with his hand pressing against the mechanism that is responsible for it (I don’t know the term, I don’t really do stuff with them) so when it closes his thumb is lifted out of the well from the force of the mechanism.
@@lsesternester3231 I didn't wish it on anyone, I said I kept waiting for it to happen. There is a difference between expecting something and being happy it didn't happen and wishing it would happen.
My father was a combat engineer from D-day to VE-day. I asked him about the “M1 ping.” He chuckled and said, “even if they heard my rifle ping, that didn’t mean the rest of my company was out of ammo.” He went on to mention a combat hardened soldier could pop those clips in less than a second.
to be fair, i believe Allied soldiers actually carried empty M1 Garand mags, for the sole purpose of tossing them on the ground. why? because my dear Watson, to the enemy, that sound is a magical sound that signifies your opponent is out of ammo. but what they don't know, is that their opponent actually has their crosshairs lined up on their LKP, so that when the sorry bastard peeks his head out of cover to fire; well.......it ain't pretty, all i'm going to say.
kromwell smith So you were there? That's how you know? It sounds like a cool and interesting theory. But it definitely would not work. Between the fog of war and all the firing of different weapons. Nobody would hear the sound of a mag hitting the floor. And it wasn't insurgent warfare like it is today. It wasn't a platoon of couple dozen guys going and engaging the enemy. It was full on large scale battles. Hundreds and hundreds of men all fighting. And it's not like they were always close to each other either. Combat isn't like video games and movies. Not even close.
kromwell smith dude, learn the difference between a magazine and a clip. maybe someone will take your video game battle experience seriously if you use the correct words!
You forget the Russians, even more famous than the Japanese of using that tactic. It is actually the best strategic move in some scenarios. Wouldn't want to be one though.
The Germans were able to hear it and they started adapting to the pattern of the pings to time their assault maneuvers. They still lost the war but the US Military was very aware of the ping problem and it was one of several reasons they started exploring a new standard rifle. The other reasons were a desire for lighter weight and the ability to hold more ammo
In my experience with firing the M1, I’ve almost never heard the ping myself. It happens almost simultaneously with the boom created by the 30.06… I would blame that on the hearing protection I wear, but I’m still able to hear most sounds fine. The only real time I could imagine a ping being heard in a realistic scenario is if your last round was a misfire and you had to cycle the bolt back manually. Because otherwise, the noise of the rifle firing drowns it out.
In the heat of battle, I don’t think you could hear a ping among the sounds of war with ringing ears during WW2, the Korean Conflict,nor the early days of Vietnam.
and in any battle there would be ceaseless gun fire coming from both sides. i doubt anyone would be able to hear the sound of a single rifle cartridge ejecting and hitting the ground over all of the chaos
@@appalachianexploration5714 That rifle round is a .30-06… It is indeed a powerful one. Much more powerful than the 5.56 used today. My Grandpa said the Germans didn’t care about the ping. Seeing as we are still trained to call out when we’re reloading in the military, it wasn’t ever an advantage.
the chances of hearing the ping of a m1 grand in the middle of battle is unlikely with artillery blowing up next to you and gun fire theirs no way you would be able to hear a small ping
Now if you are some of the last men alive on the battle field and all of the artilery men are dead which is unlikely, you may be able to but it's such a small chance
On top of that, some Americans would throw a clip to the ground just to lure out some peeks. It's not a very useful sound to hear even if you could hear it.
This is a nice episode with lots of jokes. I hope you can put more funny content in future videos! This video even shows that it's possible to have both funny and informative content at the same time
When you're in a fire fight, it's amazingly loud and your hearing is far more compromised than you think. Trust me, you're not hearing a lot of 'pings'. There's still a lot of these around in the third world and you really don't hear a pronounced ping.
From what I've heard, although it's unlikely German/Japanese soldiers would have heard the ping, American soldiers did try to use the pinging noise to draw out enemies, with varying degrees of success.
yes because we have actual ww2 veterans on youtube watching things that debunks a urban (war) myth. This is how things are. So unless you want a time machine your gonna have to deal with 2nd hand sources. This is part of war. This is like trying to disprove something thats happened in a midevil war because no one actually SAW the source.
I feel like you'd have to have a perfect set of conditions to use that as a tactic. It's gotta be damn near perfectly quiet, have good acoustics to carry the sound, have a hard surface to hit when it lands and to be within range to hear it. Add the noises of battle and there's just no way
Silly argument, Iove the sound. My Garand is patiently waiting for XYZ emergency. Bandoleer of loaded clips standing bye. No need to worry about magazine springs going weak. En Bloc Clips kick ass.
i love hearing about the stories of soldiers throwing the clips on the ground to get the enemy to charge. other stories consist of soldiers firing until empty the enemy advances just to have a second wave of soldiers fire upon them. just like the old minute men of the revolutionary war
@@jorge69696 What didnt you watch the video? In that unlikely scenario where one german is flanking the grand user who for some reason is there solo he can hear the ping from quite far away. Doesnt make it a real tactic even if you can hear it.
i fully agree with you... i own an m1 garand.....people think you cant load less than 8.....or even unload a partial clip... if the germans can hear my ping....i should be able to hear their bolt open..but not close... which i fucking cant....
I can't tell if you are agreeing with him or not lol You can partially load an enbloc clip whilst in the magazine. You can also close the bolt without engaging the shell. You can also eject the clip from the magazine at any given time. You do not have to fire until it pings. I carry my M1 to the CMP marksman competitions in Anniston, AL every year.
The strange thing is, originally, in Call of Duty, they did not omit this detail, it was a detail that got omitted later in the series for whatever bizarre reason.
What's the chances of the whole section 'pinging' at the same time? Someone in the section would be able to shoot at any given time. A complete nonsense.
Yup, A US infantry squad would have the SL and the squad corporal with thompsons, a BAR gunner, and like 7-8 riflemen. There is not a chance in hell EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is out of ammo. Also, apart from just general battle noise restricting your hearing, you the german would be fighting in a squad too. There'd be half a dozen riflemen banging away with their Kar98ks and a machinegunner letting it rip with a 34 or 42. No fucking way you'd hear any ping over that.
People that think this myth is true, i want you to get a few buddies. Go to an outdoor range all of you fire off a bunch of rounds WITHOUT ear pro! Then just try to have a conversation without screaming, let alone hearing a ping from a 100+ yards away.
Cade smith Thats not enough to permanently damage your hearing, I've fired rifles indoors without ear pro (I didn't want to believe me) and I didn't have permanent hearing loss. But if you're stupid enough to believe that myth then youre dumb to try something like that.
UnaSolida i still wouldn't take the risk, I've done the same and it jacked me up. But my hearing is bad anyways. I agree with you on the last point, I have a garand and if folks actually believe this they are imbeciles
Cade smith Agreed. I remember my grandfather told me about the Garand ping myth, he was in the pacific and he said it wasn't even something that was discussed. What about the guy with the Tompson or M1 carbine or the BAR in the same company firing? I guess they all have to run dry to for this supposed banzi charge.
The guys who said this have properly never even fired a M1. I have during a drill (in the late 80's). We were a squad equipped with M1 and we stood in foxholes. Suddenly we were attacked. I could hear partners M1 ping (he stood a meter from me) but I couldn't hear anything else - because of the battle noise! Like Bloke said.
The myth might have arisen from G.I.'S who were conscious of the ping and worried that it was giving away their position. Any aggressive enemy action at the time of a random GI reloading might have been interpreted as the enemy acting on the ping that only the scared witless GI was actually hearing.
Loved the video. You guys should keep it up with myths about weapons. Love this over myth busters! Funnier too, with the whole charge! I was sitting here cheering the charge, wanting to see if you'd make it.
Great video! I still hear this absurd Fudd lore being perpetuated from time to time. I wonder if the people who claim this myth is true have ever forgotten to wear their hearing protection on a shooting range, because no reasonable person who's heard how loud 20+ rifles going off non-stop for over 10 minutes would ever think the enemy could hear the ping in a gunfight. I made the mistake of forgetting my ear pro as a range safety officer earlier this year right after I made the range hot again. I was nearly deaf for about an hour. No freaking way would I have heard a ping.
that's ridiculous, have you ever been around multiple guns being fired, let alone without ear protection? you cant hear SHIT. also soldiers carry these things called "sidearms" in case they run out on their main gun and don't have time to reload.
While you two are at it, how about investigating the authenticity of the "funniest joke in the world" weapon. I hear that killed more Germans, than the garand clip trick.
Awesome testing! I came here from your collab video with Forgotten Weapons, and this is awesome. As for the actual "ping test", I think you did pretty good. You had optimal conditions (clear day, no one shooting at the runner with the intention of killing him, no gear, only one M1, etc.), and still there was practically not even a snowballs chance in Hell to take advantage of the clip flying. To tell the truth, I am a bit surprised that the ping could be heard so clearly to that distance (behind you car).
The only reason why we were instructed to slam the magazine of our Rk62s in FDF was because the magazines were old, and loose. So if you didn't do that there was the odd chance of feed malfunction. Don't think that any of use really believed that but we relished the Hollywood feel of tapping the mag. :P Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you got a viewer from this chap! The whole channel seems awesomesauce!
i gotta say the only people making the it would get you killed agurment must not have been thinking if it was that big of a factor allied forces with this rifle would have lost a helvalot more then they did. the other thing is charging when you hear somone reloading is stupid in war. i have a friend who was in the lebanon wars and he recounted a time he sat behind a rock for 12 hours cause the other guy had a rifle and he had a shortend ak. He miss counted the rounds fired at him after exchanging fire then had to wait or possibly be shot for standing, cause putting anything past the rock may get him killed. the other guy was allready dead. if that kind of fear when faced with a maybe the other guys faking feeling is the driving force on the battle feild that ping is not getting anyone up for a charge.
Yup. Accurate description. I too have a friend who's seen conflict and experienced a similar thing. The slightest chance that you've made a mistake and might get killed for it, is enough to keep most sane people heads-down for a long time... Depends on the situation of course, but if it's a stalemate / standoff, or sporadic fire, you sure as hell aren't gonna get up and risk it for no good reason.
US Marines in the Solomons campaign when they went from 1903s to M1s would fire 4 to 5 rounds and then call for ammo as if they had run out. The Japanese would then charge to find the Marines still had enough ammo to deal with the threat.
Their officers spoke English very often, a lot of which even had been studying abroad. It's not hard to teach his men to listen for certain words so I'd say it's possible.
i hope that is sarcasm.... for people who are text scarcam illiterate....yes, you can single, dual, triple, quad, penta, hexa, 7...or octo load an m1... you WIL NOT get m1 thumb..... the bolt only releases on 2 conditions... 1. the follower is at the bottem of the mag well. 2. you apply rearward pressure to the op-rod (like pulling back on a pistol slide after a reload over using the slide release) so.. if you load 7 into a clip....the clip will still have enough tension to hold the rounds in the clip (lower than 6 is when it starts to get really loose) now....its not going to be GI proof like a 8 round clip....if you bang a 7 or 6 clip around, it will spill the bullets. anyway...load 7 into clip....load clip into gun like normal. now...here is the tricky part.....the bolt will not auto-release....so you have to hold the bolt back, get the clip and rounds into the right position, and then let go of the bolt/op-rod it sounds harder than it is....takes about 5 seconds once you have done it a few times. and loading a 8 rounder takes about 3 seconds.....so 2 extra seconds....not gonna get you killed. and if you done belive me.... just say so. ill drive the 15 miles to town and grab my m1 garand, 7 rounds of 30-06, and upload a video for ya...
Bloke on the Range is correct about the "ping." Few would have ever heard it nor would it have mattered anyway with BAR's and Thompson submachine guns going on during a firefight. Mortar shells also land on troops during firefights too. Those are incredibly loud as are grenades and rifle grenades or artillery rounds landing nearby. Yet, I have criticisms of the Garand rifle that are probably hard to refute. The big advantage to the M1 Garand rifle was it was semiautomatic while most country's service rifles were bolt action. The Garand semiautomatic rifle was okay but it had bad flaws here they are in no particular order: 1. The cartridge was in .30-06 or 7.62x63mm. This cartridge was designed to pick off targets out to 1,000 meters. However, if you know anything about infantry combat 300 meters is a very long shot with most combat ranges at 200 meters or less. In urban areas or with tanks taking trenches or bunkers infantry combat was frequently at 100 meters or even 50 meters or less in many cases. My point is the .30-06 cartridge in WW2 wasted enormous amounts of powder. 2. The M1 Garand weighed 10 lbs and had a 24 inch barrel. Infantry soldiers sometimes get to carry all their equipment, backpacks, and weapon with ammo for 12 mile road marches or sometimes even longer. The 10 lbs Garand rifle was pretty tiring to carry for such a long distance along with all the other gear an infantry soldier has to carry that can weigh upwards of 60 lbs or more. The M1 Garand was much like carrying around a 2"x6" board that was heavy and bulky. The 100 rounds of .30-06 was also very heavy to carry too. 3. The M1 Garand was expensive to manufacture and it took a long development time. It took the US Army about six years to develop the Garand rifle. The U.S. had more money to throw at problems that other country's couldn't afford. Problems are easier to solve when you aren't poor like many Eastern European countries or poor like the Soviet Union was in WW2. So American extravagance should not necessarily be confused with better American thinking or planning. Although, it should be said a scale of economy was created with over five million M1 Garands produced during WW2. The concept of the M1 Garand was outstanding for its time. However, the Americans need an intermediate cartridge but we didn't have one. Imagine the M1 Garand in the Soviet 7.62x39mm with a detachable 20 round magazine? The British 7x43mm experimental round after WW2 would have also been ideal for a magazine version of the M1 Garand. The Garand rifle did very well in WW2. However, in Korea, the US Army needed a Garand rifle with an intermediate cartridge like the ones listed above. The Soviet 7.62x39mm round with a 20 round magazine on semiautomatic would have made the "new intermediate round" Garand a vastly superior rifle for infantry combat. The rifle could have been lightened considerably too with aluminum or other metals in the trigger housing with a shorter 20 inch or 18 inch barrel. The Korean was saw much fighting at 50 meters or less at night against the Soviet Ppsh-41 or Chinese Type 50 submachine gun that could spit out over 1,000 rounds per minute. The .30-06 caliber Garand rifle had serious limitations under these combat conditions. Many Western Union telegrams got sent back to bereaved families because of the limitations of the Garand rifle during the close quarters fighting of the Korea war. For the record, I was an American soldier for 20 years. I read voraciously about military history. It is important in these UA-cam videos to give a fair and balanced perspective of the M1 Garand rifle. The US Army needed an intermediate cartridge for the infantry. We should have adopted the British 7x43mm intermediate cartridge and perhaps the Belgian FN FAL chambered in 7x43mm for our service rifle. Many American lives could have been saved in Korea and in Vietnam later on with this type of intermediate cartridges. Soldiers could have carred more rounds. The platoon's .30 caliber machine guns could have provided good long range suppressive fire along with a couple sniper rifles for longer range engagement of targets out to 500 meters and beyond.
i love this video. it shows the sounds of the weapon at both close and relatively far proximity. really gives you a slight perspective on what it must have sounded like in a limited skirmish. (aside from the complete lack of other action).
But the History Channel said it's totally true, along with Shermans always bursting into flames and needing 5 to take out the Tiger tanks that they were constantly running into!
Panzerkampfwagen there was about 200 tigers on the western front they were rarely seen, as you know the Americans bombed them instead of fighting fairly
Hi I really enjoy your videos and bought Dunlap's "ordnance went up front" on your recommendation. That is proving a superb read and a treasured possession. However, Dunlap, who served in the Pacific, claims the ping was a disadvantage in island fighting with the Japanese thus: "Japs on Guadalcanal learned that the 'ping' of an ejecting M1 clip meant a momentarily empty rifle and American infantry died because of it. Aberdeen was in a slight furor for a while, trying to silence the noise, making plastic clips etc." Page 294, 1st paragraph.
There's a military term called *fire discipline* which is still used today with the higher cap 20-round (my 7.62X51 FAL) or 30-round Stanag M4/M16/AR15 mags. Even back in the day of the Flintlock it was understood that it's very seldom a great idea to have all our men holding empty weapons. Back then the term was *platoon fire* but a platoon was not a fixed number back then. The idea is to stagger the firing so that at any time at least a quarter of your compliment are loaded. Unlike the Americans who use threes today, the Brits worked in fours. Four squads to a platoon, 4 platoons to a company. Not sure if it's still like that. Basically, if everyone in the element's Garand goes "ping" at the same time, *they will get killed* because they are not trained soldiers.
The only ping you could really hear is when the clip touches the ground. By then, another clip would've been loaded into the chamber and be ready to fire in a split second.
Apparently there WAS a distinct noise that the Garand made which gave away the Garand armed rifleman but it wasn't the ping (US troops specifically said they liked the ping as it was a clear signal to reload) their problem was the safety catch which made a very loud click when pressed normally. This may not sound like a big deal but soldiers complained the enemy seemed to be able to hear the click and immediately responded to it. Particularly in the Korean War where small arms combat was at closer range for various reasons. This is all covered in the 1952 report titled "Use of Infantry Weapons and Equipment in Korea" by G. N. Donovan. pg 77.
@@HaNsWiDjAjA The specific example I heard was on patrols at night the risky move was known to be taken of carrying the M1 Garand loaded with the safety off!
I just think it's silly that people really think in the heat of battle, screams and groans all about, explosions left and right and sporadic bursts of gunfire - that you could hear anyone reloading a weapon.
Thank you. As someone with combat experience and a basic sense of logic, I knew that this rumor was clearly nonsense. And this was, as you said, just one guy. No other guys with rifles. No machine guns on either side. No mortars or artillery or screams and shouts or anything. And even with it stacked so heavily in favor of it working, it STILL didn't work.
Thanks for the "experiment" regarding the M1 ping. Interesting. I have an M1 (in the US) and it's a great rifle, although not nearly as pleasant to shoot as an AR-15 with it's minimal recoil...and expense. I hope you had fun making the video!
apart from isolated, high-intensity individual circumstances, your individual reload time is actualy rather inconsequential as a rifleman. if you're not operating a machine gun, firing your weapon at all can be inconsequential. from WW2 onwards, the single largest source of casualties has been artillery, not small arms. there's a reason why the US army calls artillery the king of battle -- the infantry is just its queen.
most fire fights are not close range enough to hear the ping not only that germans would not rush the unknown especially when there are more than one soldiers around a corner its a myth that probably worked once
As far as I know the Germans did not were ear protection and most of them would be a little deaf after firing round after round or being close to machine guns etc. I will tell you one sound they could hear is the kerchunk of the bolt closing after you reloaded. I stopped a jeep at around 50 feet one night by loading the M1. I liked the rifle. Trying to hit a target at 500 yards with a peep sight, is pretty hard. I was in an Honor Guard in the 1st infantry division and we used to twirl that rifle.. like your videos.
Place a decidable meter in front of the target and one behind the shooter; my hypothesis is that due to blue shift and red shift the sound will be louder for the target, which will negate the clip ejection noise.
Desert Ranger The Garand would use a D20 to hit like everything else. If anything the .30-06 cartridge would give it a solid D10 or D12 for damage. What you expect to happen to your D&D game world if you allow such an uber powerful boom stick into it, well.. not in my campaign. Even Ash only had a sawed off double barrel .12 Guage that retailed at S-Mart for about $119.95 when he fought the Army of Darkness. What in Middle Earth are you throwing at your player characters that they'd need a battle rifle?
General Patton called the M1 "the greatest implement of war ever invented." It won WWII. It was used in Korea, and was only replaced by the M14 (a variation of the M1) in Vietnam. The freakin' rifle is ergonically superb. Easy to shoot. And the 30-06 round will take any game in the lower 48. Nothing to sneeze at. Who cares about the ping? The asshole you're shooting at will be dead or have his head down when it pings. Superb rifle.
@@Jebu911 how at all is it an oversite or a bad thing. Its a reminder to reload cos when your in combat sometimes you forget how many shots you fired. It was the pretty loud safety catch that was its one tiny drawback as it could sometimes ruon ambuses
@@keyboardmamma wouldnt ruin an ambush because you would probably shoot first reload later. The fact that the clip just flies off in random direction isnt a good design. Its clear the gun wasnt perfect design considering some inexperienced soldiers lost their thumbs while reloading the thing because of the bolt.
@@Jebu911 i said the safety catch had the chance to ruin an ambush did you even read my reply. The safety catch is quite loud and so when you disengage it as you wouldn't just have it off until you made sure you were aiming at the enemy it would make a very audible clack. If you've got a whole squad disengaging their safeties in the span of 10 seconds when the enemy are probably actively listening for signs of the enemy and aren't being deafend by gunfire it could possible alert the enemy to a potential ambush. Of course it might be too late but it could still sometimes give them some warning which may just save them. Please read before you reply cos i certainly didn't say the ping from reloading would cause an ambush to be ruined
So its sad to you that japans banzai charges proved a failure in the long run against American forces? Care to explain, or should I just make an assumption?
I will offer some first hand insight from my father who was a combat infantryman with the 168th Regiment 34th Division and fought from Tunisia to north of Rome. He used a M1 through north Africa and then with promotion went to a Thompson. Generally being a man of few words his first response was "Bullsh*t". When pressed for details he said this was never an issue. Not once. Not ever. Pure movie and internet hype. If you want to talk about what an infantryman feared you need to discuss 88s and MG 42s. Thank you for again disproving this nonsense.
Fun fact more like "gun fact" get it ? Hahahahaha American soldiers was once bang the clip / round holder against there helmets so I it sound like that American fired all of his rounds but he didn't
in WW3, soldiers with m1+2=3 grand used to bang their guns on their dick to taunt the incoming nukes trust me. I played called of dooty. part of a true toy story
Not confirming or denying here, but what does the manual have to do with imitating an empty gun? That's battlefield inginuity not a bonified way to use the firearm.
Great video, enjoy anything about the M1 Garand. I have a Sprinfield Armory M1 that I bought from the Civilian Marksmanship Program here in the US. The receiver was manufactured in June of 1944 and she still shoots like a champ! Everyone on the firing line always stops shooting to hear the ping.
I once met a WWII veteran who told me that one night in Guadalcanal they were bouncing those M1 cartridges off their helmets to trick the Japanese to come out of cover.
0hn0haha Thats cuz 1) Americans reproduce much larger families than Russians meaning more people are linked to the same grandparents and 2) Russian soldiers were silenced after the war to avoid letting the world know of their own war crimes.
I highly doubt that this is true and if it is I doubt even more that it worked. It's a rather stupid idea when you think about it. You would not want to give away your position in a firefight first of all. Secondly it's rather unlikely that the Japanese or anyone else for that matter noticed the pinging sound while hundreds of feet away. Thirdly why would you poke your head up at the sound of the least deadly of your enemy's 4 common weapon systems being empty? Even if their Garands are all empty for 3-5 seconds why would you risk getting shot by BARs, Thompsons, and M1919A6s just for a chance to catch one or even a few riflemen empty when they are supported by machine gunners?
***** now THAT would be something to see. but sadly, i think they banged their clips on their helmets. after all, the clip does make more noise. and it puts you in less danger than thwacking yourself upside the dome with your own rifle to get the enemy's attention. XD
Bill Nye The Russian Spy i gotta wonder how stupid you've got to be to think you'll kill your enemy doing that though. but then again, soldiers that dumb were probably shot immediately, if there were any.
Is it the M1 Garand that had a habit of catching/cutting fingers when you loaded those clips because it would automatically close the clip cover (not sure of the name of that top part that shuts). In your video you seem to do it manually after loading the clip in, not sure if that's a option or maybe a later improved version. Or I am just completely wrong.
Yega "garand thumb" is what happens if the weapon doesn't fully lock back the bolt before putting in a new clip. The bolt slams forward as soon as the new clip is inserted and will usually chew up your hand. Had it happen to me once and it hurt like hell. I thought I was going to lose the thumbnail for a while.
David Ure I knew it was something like that. Bloke on the Range, maybe it applies to a certain version of the M1? Not sure if there have been a number of improvements, maybe the early models had this fault. Either way, I'd love to fire a M1 :)
When I insert my en-block into my M1, I slide my thumb along the slide/firing pin assembly so that when it does "catch" and start to slide forward, my thumb is already there to stop it. Also keep in mind that most soldiers wore gloves (for the most part) while in WW2, so their hands wouldn't get all abused from things like this.
I think this may have been plausible in some rare instances in the pacific theater where the fighting became extremely close and personal. In "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge he describes the intense nights at Peleliu and Okinawa where the enemy could be in the foxhole just a few feet away without them knowing. The 3 variables here being 1.) The enemy is very close 2.) It's very dark and difficult to see 3.) The element of surprise is in play, allowing the enemy to wait for the ping and storm the foxhole... Plausible? Sure. Common? I think definitely not. This can be related to another reason why many troops in the pacific would keep pistols, because they're handy at night and discrete.
Of course the hitler utes. Particularly the elite 38th pie finders. The war would have gone very differently if they hadn't lost poor Joachim on June 17... :(
Americans: the ping would get you killed
Germans: actually we were never able to hear the ping
Americans: nope, the ping got you killed. They’d know you were empty and pop up and shoot you
Germans: it was coincidence, it was always too loud to hear th-
Americans: THE PING GOT YA KILLED
This basically wins the M1 Garand "PING" Intartubes. For all time! :D
not smart americans like i am
This myth doesn't even come out of actual veterans' mouths. What they might tell you, though, is that if by some chance you did hear your buddy's ping next to you, you stopped shooting until he finished his reload.
Ive heard stories about American soldiers who while pinned down in buildings would throw spent clips to the floor to trick enemy soldiers into thinking they were empty. Not sure how true this story is, but it kinda makes sense.
The most realistic part of this comment is the Germans speak perfect english.
This myth dies as soon as you fire a gun without ear protection
This.
What I can't hear you over the dull roar in my ears from the other 7 Garands firing
Maap!
Maap!
Oh hah hah, make fun of the guy with tinnitus!
Maap Maap!
Many WW2 and WW1 infantrymen did not have ear protection.
The ringing IS intense.
When everyone's shooting, hearing a little thing like this is probably never going to happen.
BawdSpeellar if you did here it you likely wouldn't have time to even begin to react
Hearing anything isent going to happen, most people where functionally deft for 3 days after a fight.
The only time I could see this working is in a close quarter stealthy kind of mission... But if you're shooting all your rounds then you're probably not very good at stealth
+Sagrotan Not at all. With the amount of fire even a small patrol can exchange, and how loud that combat would be without earplugs, a little ping noise like that is going to be really hard to hear irl, much less act on in a non-suicidal way. You should watch some actual combat footage to get a sense of how much different it is than movies or games.
lol
It's not a video game dipshit there's no stealth
In a stealthy mission the Brits had loads of weapons suited for that, they wouldn't go in with a full powered battle rifle...
Nobody will notice if there's no one left to notice.
wars are fought at a distance not in the same room , infantry fight and act in groups so a ping means nothing , the whole ping is a post 60s bit of revisionists crap'
ever hear of urban warfare XD
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Even then you are not clearing rooms alone. Just because you can hear a ping doesn’t mean its just Joe with a Garand, there could very well also be Bob over there with a Thompson or John right about there with an M1 Carbine.
@@dunadan7136 yeah, the circumstances for the ping to be a viable tactic or counter tactic are so slim, it would only be viable against a single opponent with the garand, and if you used the ping to trick your enemy , i hope the germans would be smart enough to know theres more than just 1 guy with a garand out there usually lol, so yes, as cool as the ping tactic sounds its just not viable, could it have happened to a lone GI who got clever? maybe, but whose to say that lone GI even survived.
@@royalraptorgaming8501
And then there’s the issue that even if the German has heard it, chances are that he has to leave his nice defensive position and exposing himself just to be able to get to you.
If you heard a ping, would you stake your life on a 1/3 chance against the enemy baiting you with an extra clip by banging it against their helmet and also be counting on the chance they're not also armed with a sidearm?
In Japan, you charge them regardless of ammo.
What makes you think you could even hear the ping? did you even watch the video? you can't hear it.
Perhaps zig zagging is the answer. Of course remember to zig and not zag first.
I think only officers carried pistols tho
@@jorge69696 Did you watch the video you can hear it easily in that unrealistic scenario where only one guy is shooting.
I have never heard of the Germans charging after the ping, only peaking their heads up to fire.
At which point the american would already be in cover, reloading.
The ping is hard to hear over the report of the round unless the en bloc clip hits a hard surface anyway.
Madra I have heard of Japanese doing it but not the Germans.
Try... Impossible. .30-06 will deafen you at any distance where you could hear the ping anyway, you won't hear it even after the gun stops going off.
Never heard a Japanese guy called ping. North Koreans however..
Mulan pls
Well you convinced me... of buying a M1 Garand :D
what were you not going to buy one in the off chance that someone heard you reloading ? I mean unless if you're planning on using it for home defense and in that case it only makes a bit of sense.
Gabriel Gianni Nothing of the sort. After watching the video I just came to the conclusion that the Garand is bad ass and I should really get one :D
Hagge Bänke
***** I will cherish mine whenever I get the funds to buy one ❤️
+Strange Faction - Totally agreed!
i would bet my biggest piggy bank that there is no way under any circumstances, with tons of shoot, planes, tanks, artillery, that no one would here that 'ping'
it's distinctiveness would only really be heard by the operators at medium range... but if it was real close maybe
I feel like maybe a few German soldiers were killed because of hearing the ping. This would be because some situations only involved a few soldiers and that's why. Not as many as people really think but definitely a few.
I completely agree I I've played thousands of hours of call of duty and I'm sure by judging your comment you have too, so I know what its like in ww2.
+Pyro Thunder that's great.. it's almost like your joking. you have an idea, but you don't know.
Pyro Thunder that's like saying I've played guitar hero so I've been a Rockstar
I kept waiting for a garand thumb to happen.
Jim Henline Clearly, you’ve never had it happen to you. A decent person wouldn’t wish it on anyone, unless said person was a serious asshole.
I wanted to see a GT as well
damiion666 he has a video explaining how he doesn’t get it. It has to do with his hand pressing against the mechanism that is responsible for it (I don’t know the term, I don’t really do stuff with them) so when it closes his thumb is lifted out of the well from the force of the mechanism.
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I didn't wish it on anyone, I said I kept waiting for it to happen.
There is a difference between expecting something and being happy it didn't happen and wishing it would happen.
Lsester Nester dude he said waiting
My father was a combat engineer from D-day to VE-day. I asked him about the “M1 ping.” He chuckled and said, “even if they heard my rifle ping, that didn’t mean the rest of my company was out of ammo.” He went on to mention a combat hardened soldier could pop those clips in less than a second.
But...but Bloke....the movies........
the games...
to be fair, i believe Allied soldiers actually carried empty M1 Garand mags, for the sole purpose of tossing them on the ground.
why? because my dear Watson, to the enemy, that sound is a magical sound that signifies your opponent is out of ammo.
but what they don't know, is that their opponent actually has their crosshairs lined up on their LKP, so that when the sorry bastard peeks his head out of cover to fire;
well.......it ain't pretty, all i'm going to say.
kromwell smith Yes. I came here to say the same thing. This is exactly what the allied troops did.
kromwell smith
So you were there? That's how you know? It sounds like a cool and interesting theory. But it definitely would not work. Between the fog of war and all the firing of different weapons. Nobody would hear the sound of a mag hitting the floor. And it wasn't insurgent warfare like it is today. It wasn't a platoon of couple dozen guys going and engaging the enemy. It was full on large scale battles. Hundreds and hundreds of men all fighting. And it's not like they were always close to each other either. Combat isn't like video games and movies. Not even close.
kromwell smith dude, learn the difference between a magazine and a clip. maybe someone will take your video game battle experience seriously if you use the correct words!
I don't recall Germans charging in WW2. Surely, they knew much better than to run across an open field or whatever of the like.
Yeah definitely not the Germans. The Japanese for sure though.
You forget the Russians, even more famous than the Japanese of using that tactic. It is actually the best strategic move in some scenarios. Wouldn't want to be one though.
Yeah. Basically suffocating the Germans under mass piles of poor Russian men. Well it sure worked lol.
***** exactly.
QuickPhase yep. The Japanese banzai charge was used as a last ditch effort, because they believed it was better to die in combat than be captured.
Now if the Germans were to get one of the big acoustic sound amplifiers from WWI, they might be able to hear it.
You’re funny
The Germans were able to hear it and they started adapting to the pattern of the pings to time their assault maneuvers. They still lost the war but the US Military was very aware of the ping problem and it was one of several reasons they started exploring a new standard rifle. The other reasons were a desire for lighter weight and the ability to hold more ammo
@@youtubecommenter37 lmao you're even funnier 🤣
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@@youtubecommenter37 wow🤦🏻♂️😒😑
In my experience with firing the M1, I’ve almost never heard the ping myself. It happens almost simultaneously with the boom created by the 30.06… I would blame that on the hearing protection I wear, but I’m still able to hear most sounds fine. The only real time I could imagine a ping being heard in a realistic scenario is if your last round was a misfire and you had to cycle the bolt back manually. Because otherwise, the noise of the rifle firing drowns it out.
In the heat of battle, I don’t think you could hear a ping among the sounds of war with ringing ears during WW2, the Korean Conflict,nor the early days of Vietnam.
The M1 Garand is a great rifle! Especially for the time!
did u just sexually harassed that rifle?!?!
Did you just assume its gender?
dtester Hugh - Mungus
Hugh Mungus Hugh Mungus what?
Hugh Mungus Cartridge!
I grew up on this story, but it never made sense due to the dirt, snow, and grass. Thanks for settling that once and for all.
John Koeberlein not saying that it happend but they did fight in cities and towns quite
and in any battle there would be ceaseless gun fire coming from both sides. i doubt anyone would be able to hear the sound of a single rifle cartridge ejecting and hitting the ground over all of the chaos
I doubt the enemy could hear it with both sides having ringing ears from high powered rifle fire.
Not high powered rifles....
@@appalachianexploration5714 That rifle round is a .30-06… It is indeed a powerful one. Much more powerful than the 5.56 used today. My Grandpa said the Germans didn’t care about the ping. Seeing as we are still trained to call out when we’re reloading in the military, it wasn’t ever an advantage.
the chances of hearing the ping of a m1 grand in the middle of battle is unlikely with artillery blowing up next to you and gun fire theirs no way you would be able to hear a small ping
GRIZZLY GRIZZ unless you were in a concrete bunker and you were defending it but even then shots would still be too loud
Steven Ming exactly how the he'll are you going to hear a tiny ping at the roar of gun fire and artillery
Now if you are some of the last men alive on the battle field and all of the artilery men are dead which is unlikely, you may be able to but it's such a small chance
Steven Ming very true but those terms are so unlikely
GRIZZLY GRIZZ
I think you proved it.
Thank you for confirming a point I've been making for years. Also enjoyed the D&D type references (+1d20 to hearing).
On top of that, some Americans would throw a clip to the ground just to lure out some peeks. It's not a very useful sound to hear even if you could hear it.
I've read accounts online that gave mixed results.
This is a nice episode with lots of jokes. I hope you can put more funny content in future videos! This video even shows that it's possible to have both funny and informative content at the same time
When you're in a fire fight, it's amazingly loud and your hearing is far more compromised than you think. Trust me, you're not hearing a lot of 'pings'. There's still a lot of these around in the third world and you really don't hear a pronounced ping.
From what I've heard, although it's unlikely German/Japanese soldiers would have heard the ping, American soldiers did try to use the pinging noise to draw out enemies, with varying degrees of success.
Heard or actually saw a real source for? The former is meaningless.
TotalMetalJacket I've heard that too
TotalMetalJacket its true I learned it at a gun range on boy scouts campout
Heard heard heard.
Okay now who saw a real source for?
yes because we have actual ww2 veterans on youtube watching things that debunks a urban (war) myth.
This is how things are. So unless you want a time machine your gonna have to deal with 2nd hand sources. This is part of war. This is like trying to disprove something thats happened in a midevil war because no one actually SAW the source.
I feel like you'd have to have a perfect set of conditions to use that as a tactic. It's gotta be damn near perfectly quiet, have good acoustics to carry the sound, have a hard surface to hit when it lands and to be within range to hear it. Add the noises of battle and there's just no way
Myth
Looks like you could use those +2 gloves of dexterity.
Definitely earned +6 Respect from me.
God, that is a beautiful rifle.
Silly argument, Iove the sound.
My Garand is patiently waiting for XYZ emergency. Bandoleer of loaded clips standing bye.
No need to worry about magazine springs going weak. En Bloc Clips kick ass.
i love hearing about the stories of soldiers throwing the clips on the ground to get the enemy to charge. other stories consist of soldiers firing until empty the enemy advances just to have a second wave of soldiers fire upon them. just like the old minute men of the revolutionary war
Did you even watch the video? no one can hear the damn pings. Why are there so many comments about that fucking myth? was the test not enough?
@@jorge69696 What didnt you watch the video? In that unlikely scenario where one german is flanking the grand user who for some reason is there solo he can hear the ping from quite far away. Doesnt make it a real tactic even if you can hear it.
i fully agree with you...
i own an m1 garand.....people think you cant load less than 8.....or even unload a partial clip...
if the germans can hear my ping....i should be able to hear their bolt open..but not close...
which i fucking cant....
"people think you cant load less than 8.....or even unload a partial clip"
Kids are so surprised when I explain them that this isn't Call of Duty...
Orszag kids have no fucking clue guns work in the real world.
I can't tell if you are agreeing with him or not lol You can partially load an enbloc clip whilst in the magazine. You can also close the bolt without engaging the shell. You can also eject the clip from the magazine at any given time. You do not have to fire until it pings. I carry my M1 to the CMP marksman competitions in Anniston, AL every year.
The strange thing is, originally, in Call of Duty, they did not omit this detail, it was a detail that got omitted later in the series for whatever bizarre reason.
What's the chances of the whole section 'pinging' at the same time? Someone in the section would be able to shoot at any given time. A complete nonsense.
And remember, Garand-users move in groups of 10-12. That makes it even MORE nonsense.
TheSkammander Enjoys image of COD fan boy lying 30 yards away with 11 bullet wounds
Add in the BAR gunner and the SL with a Thompson or Carbine. and it just wouldn't make a difference.
Yup, A US infantry squad would have the SL and the squad corporal with thompsons, a BAR gunner, and like 7-8 riflemen. There is not a chance in hell EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is out of ammo. Also, apart from just general battle noise restricting your hearing, you the german would be fighting in a squad too. There'd be half a dozen riflemen banging away with their Kar98ks and a machinegunner letting it rip with a 34 or 42. No fucking way you'd hear any ping over that.
Makro Perhaps just the whine of soul crushing regret. Very similar to what a barrage of 155mm shells sound like.
People that think this myth is true, i want you to get a few buddies. Go to an outdoor range all of you fire off a bunch of rounds WITHOUT ear pro! Then just try to have a conversation without screaming, let alone hearing a ping from a 100+ yards away.
UnaSolida I don't recommend this. Don't lose your hearing trying to prove a point.
Cade smith Thats not enough to permanently damage your hearing, I've fired rifles indoors without ear pro (I didn't want to believe me) and I didn't have permanent hearing loss. But if you're stupid enough to believe that myth then youre dumb to try something like that.
UnaSolida i still wouldn't take the risk, I've done the same and it jacked me up. But my hearing is bad anyways. I agree with you on the last point, I have a garand and if folks actually believe this they are imbeciles
Cade smith Agreed. I remember my grandfather told me about the Garand ping myth, he was in the pacific and he said it wasn't even something that was discussed. What about the guy with the Tompson or M1 carbine or the BAR in the same company firing? I guess they all have to run dry to for this supposed banzi charge.
Sagrotan Well...looks like we have a winner.
Guarantee nobody who obsesses over the ping has ever fired a Garand. You can hardly hear it irl
The guys who said this have properly never even fired a M1. I have during a drill (in the late 80's). We were a squad equipped with M1 and we stood in foxholes. Suddenly we were attacked. I could hear partners M1 ping (he stood a meter from me) but I couldn't hear anything else - because of the battle noise! Like Bloke said.
The myth might have arisen from G.I.'S who were conscious of the ping and worried that it was giving away their position. Any aggressive enemy action at the time of a random GI reloading might have been interpreted as the enemy acting on the ping that only the scared witless GI was actually hearing.
Andrew Webster Good, realistic comment.
Loved the video. You guys should keep it up with myths about weapons. Love this over myth busters! Funnier too, with the whole charge! I was sitting here cheering the charge, wanting to see if you'd make it.
Great video! I still hear this absurd Fudd lore being perpetuated from time to time.
I wonder if the people who claim this myth is true have ever forgotten to wear their hearing protection on a shooting range, because no reasonable person who's heard how loud 20+ rifles going off non-stop for over 10 minutes would ever think the enemy could hear the ping in a gunfight.
I made the mistake of forgetting my ear pro as a range safety officer earlier this year right after I made the range hot again. I was nearly deaf for about an hour. No freaking way would I have heard a ping.
A pocket full of spare clips to toss would have been an interesting tactic.
Håkon The Bastard yes they did
no they didn't, fuck off.
theres no evidence of that happening, Max...let alone actual proof...its all campfire stories told by those who werent there
that's ridiculous, have you ever been around multiple guns being fired, let alone without ear protection? you cant hear SHIT. also soldiers carry these things called "sidearms" in case they run out on their main gun and don't have time to reload.
well officers and some NCOs only had pistols in WWII
3:18 I think that would make a funny GIF (no disrespect to Bloke).
I restarted it in the way a gif would be for like 30 seconds at the same time, you're genius hahaha
I wish there had been a scene in Saving Private Ryan where someone's Grand clip had popped back out on Omaha Beach and they'd made that noise.
Not to mention, if more than one person is firing the same weapon -- you're never going to know if one or both are out.
While you two are at it, how about investigating the authenticity of the "funniest joke in the world" weapon. I hear that killed more Germans, than the garand clip trick.
But but but it would be the end of us!
Awesome testing!
I came here from your collab video with Forgotten Weapons, and this is awesome.
As for the actual "ping test", I think you did pretty good. You had optimal conditions (clear day, no one shooting at the runner with the intention of killing him, no gear, only one M1, etc.), and still there was practically not even a snowballs chance in Hell to take advantage of the clip flying.
To tell the truth, I am a bit surprised that the ping could be heard so clearly to that distance (behind you car).
The only reason why we were instructed to slam the magazine of our Rk62s in FDF was because the magazines were old, and loose.
So if you didn't do that there was the odd chance of feed malfunction.
Don't think that any of use really believed that but we relished the Hollywood feel of tapping the mag. :P
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that you got a viewer from this chap!
The whole channel seems awesomesauce!
Thank you for addressing this annoying, immortal piece of fudd lore.
i gotta say the only people making the it would get you killed agurment must not have been thinking if it was that big of a factor allied forces with this rifle would have lost a helvalot more then they did. the other thing is charging when you hear somone reloading is stupid in war. i have a friend who was in the lebanon wars and he recounted a time he sat behind a rock for 12 hours cause the other guy had a rifle and he had a shortend ak. He miss counted the rounds fired at him after exchanging fire then had to wait or possibly be shot for standing, cause putting anything past the rock may get him killed. the other guy was allready dead. if that kind of fear when faced with a maybe the other guys faking feeling is the driving force on the battle feild that ping is not getting anyone up for a charge.
Yup. Accurate description. I too have a friend who's seen conflict and experienced a similar thing. The slightest chance that you've made a mistake and might get killed for it, is enough to keep most sane people heads-down for a long time... Depends on the situation of course, but if it's a stalemate / standoff, or sporadic fire, you sure as hell aren't gonna get up and risk it for no good reason.
US Marines in the Solomons campaign when they went from 1903s to M1s would fire 4 to 5 rounds and then call for ammo as if they had run out. The Japanese would then charge to find the Marines still had enough ammo to deal with the threat.
Because the Japanese spoke English.
So all 150 soldiers suddenly all ran out of ammo at the exact same time?
The Japanese would charge at the drop of a hat.
Their officers spoke English very often, a lot of which even had been studying abroad. It's not hard to teach his men to listen for certain words so I'd say it's possible.
ArmoredNeko I need proof show me where that's written pls.
Still wouldn't matter because they're not going to charge just because 1 American of possibly hundreds has to reload. Watch the vid.
Clearly this entire series is impossible because you cannot load fewer than an entire clip into a Garand... or something.
You can't. This video is fake. My Grandpa said.........
i hope that is sarcasm....
for people who are text scarcam illiterate....yes, you can single, dual, triple, quad, penta, hexa, 7...or octo load an m1...
you WIL NOT get m1 thumb..... the bolt only releases on 2 conditions...
1. the follower is at the bottem of the mag well.
2. you apply rearward pressure to the op-rod (like pulling back on a pistol slide after a reload over using the slide release)
so.. if you load 7 into a clip....the clip will still have enough tension to hold the rounds in the clip (lower than 6 is when it starts to get really loose)
now....its not going to be GI proof like a 8 round clip....if you bang a 7 or 6 clip around, it will spill the bullets.
anyway...load 7 into clip....load clip into gun like normal.
now...here is the tricky part.....the bolt will not auto-release....so you have to hold the bolt back, get the clip and rounds into the right position, and then let go of the bolt/op-rod
it sounds harder than it is....takes about 5 seconds once you have done it a few times.
and loading a 8 rounder takes about 3 seconds.....so 2 extra seconds....not gonna get you killed.
and if you done belive me.... just say so.
ill drive the 15 miles to town and grab my m1 garand, 7 rounds of 30-06, and upload a video for ya...
I believe you, but you should upload the video anyway.
Angus McThag yes you can it's just finicky to do.
Yeah, that stuff you did in that video is impossible too. I have the internet to prove it!
Bloke on the Range is correct about the "ping." Few would have ever heard it nor would it have mattered anyway with BAR's and Thompson submachine guns going on during a firefight. Mortar shells also land on troops during firefights too. Those are incredibly loud as are grenades and rifle grenades or artillery rounds landing nearby. Yet, I have criticisms of the Garand rifle that are probably hard to refute. The big advantage to the M1 Garand rifle was it was semiautomatic while most country's service rifles were bolt action. The Garand semiautomatic rifle was okay but it had bad flaws here they are in no particular order:
1. The cartridge was in .30-06 or 7.62x63mm. This cartridge was designed to pick off targets out to 1,000 meters. However, if you know anything about infantry combat 300 meters is a very long shot with most combat ranges at 200 meters or less. In urban areas or with tanks taking trenches or bunkers infantry combat was frequently at 100 meters or even 50 meters or less in many cases. My point is the .30-06 cartridge in WW2 wasted enormous amounts of powder.
2. The M1 Garand weighed 10 lbs and had a 24 inch barrel. Infantry soldiers sometimes get to carry all their equipment, backpacks, and weapon with ammo for 12 mile road marches or sometimes even longer. The 10 lbs Garand rifle was pretty tiring to carry for such a long distance along with all the other gear an infantry soldier has to carry that can weigh upwards of 60 lbs or more. The M1 Garand was much like carrying around a 2"x6" board that was heavy and bulky. The 100 rounds of .30-06 was also very heavy to carry too.
3. The M1 Garand was expensive to manufacture and it took a long development time. It took the US Army about six years to develop the Garand rifle. The U.S. had more money to throw at problems that other country's couldn't afford. Problems are easier to solve when you aren't poor like many Eastern European countries or poor like the Soviet Union was in WW2. So American extravagance should not necessarily be confused with better American thinking or planning. Although, it should be said a scale of economy was created with over five million M1 Garands produced during WW2.
The concept of the M1 Garand was outstanding for its time. However, the Americans need an intermediate cartridge but we didn't have one. Imagine the M1 Garand in the Soviet 7.62x39mm with a detachable 20 round magazine? The British 7x43mm experimental round after WW2 would have also been ideal for a magazine version of the M1 Garand. The Garand rifle did very well in WW2. However, in Korea, the US Army needed a Garand rifle with an intermediate cartridge like the ones listed above. The Soviet 7.62x39mm round with a 20 round magazine on semiautomatic would have made the "new intermediate round" Garand a vastly superior rifle for infantry combat. The rifle could have been lightened considerably too with aluminum or other metals in the trigger housing with a shorter 20 inch or 18 inch barrel. The Korean was saw much fighting at 50 meters or less at night against the Soviet Ppsh-41 or Chinese Type 50 submachine gun that could spit out over 1,000 rounds per minute. The .30-06 caliber Garand rifle had serious limitations under these combat conditions. Many Western Union telegrams got sent back to bereaved families because of the limitations of the Garand rifle during the close quarters fighting of the Korea war.
For the record, I was an American soldier for 20 years. I read voraciously about military history. It is important in these UA-cam videos to give a fair and balanced perspective of the M1 Garand rifle. The US Army needed an intermediate cartridge for the infantry. We should have adopted the British 7x43mm intermediate cartridge and perhaps the Belgian FN FAL chambered in 7x43mm for our service rifle. Many American lives could have been saved in Korea and in Vietnam later on with this type of intermediate cartridges. Soldiers could have carred more rounds. The platoon's .30 caliber machine guns could have provided good long range suppressive fire along with a couple sniper rifles for longer range engagement of targets out to 500 meters and beyond.
i love this video. it shows the sounds of the weapon at both close and relatively far proximity. really gives you a slight perspective on what it must have sounded like in a limited skirmish. (aside from the complete lack of other action).
But the History Channel said it's totally true, along with Shermans always bursting into flames and needing 5 to take out the Tiger tanks that they were constantly running into!
Panzerkampfwagen there was about 200 tigers on the western front they were rarely seen, as you know the Americans bombed them instead of fighting fairly
Theres no such thing as a fair fight in war.
"Everytime a m1 pings a German soldier gets his wings"
Underrated mate XD
I think I'll give these blokes a sub!
Hi
I really enjoy your videos and bought Dunlap's "ordnance went up front" on your recommendation. That is proving a superb read and a treasured possession. However, Dunlap, who served in the Pacific, claims the ping was a disadvantage in island fighting with the Japanese thus: "Japs on Guadalcanal learned that the 'ping' of an ejecting M1 clip meant a momentarily empty rifle and American infantry died because of it. Aberdeen was in a slight furor for a while, trying to silence the noise, making plastic clips etc." Page 294, 1st paragraph.
Bloke, I want to congratulate you on hosting probably the most hilarious comments section on UA-cam, ever.. Happy New Year mate...
There's a military term called *fire discipline* which is still used today with the higher cap 20-round (my 7.62X51 FAL) or 30-round Stanag M4/M16/AR15 mags. Even back in the day of the Flintlock it was understood that it's very seldom a great idea to have all our men holding empty weapons. Back then the term was *platoon fire* but a platoon was not a fixed number back then. The idea is to stagger the firing so that at any time at least a quarter of your compliment are loaded. Unlike the Americans who use threes today, the Brits worked in fours. Four squads to a platoon, 4 platoons to a company. Not sure if it's still like that. Basically, if everyone in the element's Garand goes "ping" at the same time, *they will get killed* because they are not trained soldiers.
hearing the gun sound from the car perspective is so cool
The only ping you could really hear is when the clip touches the ground. By then, another clip would've been loaded into the chamber and be ready to fire in a split second.
If you can reload that fast show me
TheGoofSquad did you even watch the video?
Harith Azmi I did. But can you? I'm generally wondering
TheGoofSquad you're telling me that you've seen something that's physically possible and you're asking me if I could do it?
Ever heard of fumbling?
good shit. Good content guys. Simple and fun. The kind of original stuff that made youtube great in the beginning. Keep up the good work guys.
You guys are amazing. I was cracking up the would time because your personalities are just so hilarious!
Apparently there WAS a distinct noise that the Garand made which gave away the Garand armed rifleman but it wasn't the ping (US troops specifically said they liked the ping as it was a clear signal to reload) their problem was the safety catch which made a very loud click when pressed normally.
This may not sound like a big deal but soldiers complained the enemy seemed to be able to hear the click and immediately responded to it. Particularly in the Korean War where small arms combat was at closer range for various reasons.
This is all covered in the 1952 report titled "Use of Infantry Weapons and Equipment in Korea" by G. N. Donovan. pg 77.
It was an issue specific to springing ambushes at close quarters, where the very loud click of the safety gave away the presence of the ambushers.
@@HaNsWiDjAjA The specific example I heard was on patrols at night the risky move was known to be taken of carrying the M1 Garand loaded with the safety off!
I just think it's silly that people really think in the heat of battle, screams and groans all about, explosions left and right and sporadic bursts of gunfire - that you could hear anyone reloading a weapon.
Dude, your videos are great,; you have a really great, straightforward approach to myth busting. What do you do for a living tho?
You guys need your own show on Discovery.
Thank you. As someone with combat experience and a basic sense of logic, I knew that this rumor was clearly nonsense. And this was, as you said, just one guy. No other guys with rifles. No machine guns on either side. No mortars or artillery or screams and shouts or anything. And even with it stacked so heavily in favor of it working, it STILL didn't work.
Thanks for the "experiment" regarding the M1 ping. Interesting. I have an M1 (in the US) and it's a great rifle, although not nearly as pleasant to shoot as an AR-15 with it's minimal recoil...and expense. I hope you had fun making the video!
3:18 I wonder how many times this happened on the frontlines.
Likely plenty, but that's what weeks of training and experience can improve. ;)
apart from isolated, high-intensity individual circumstances, your individual reload time is actualy rather inconsequential as a rifleman. if you're not operating a machine gun, firing your weapon at all can be inconsequential. from WW2 onwards, the single largest source of casualties has been artillery, not small arms. there's a reason why the US army calls artillery the king of battle -- the infantry is just its queen.
it ain't all call of duty where you pull ammo out your ass, and successfully do it perfectly every time, getting caught up in war, i'm guessing a lot.
most fire fights are not close range enough to hear the ping not only that germans would not rush the unknown especially when there are more than one soldiers around a corner its a myth that probably worked once
As far as I know the Germans did not were ear protection and most of them would be a little deaf after firing round after round or being close to machine guns etc. I will tell you one sound they could hear is the kerchunk of the bolt closing after you reloaded. I stopped a jeep at around 50 feet one night by loading the M1. I liked the rifle. Trying to hit a target at 500 yards with a peep sight, is pretty hard. I was in an Honor Guard in the 1st infantry division and we used to twirl that rifle.. like your videos.
You had me at D&D references. Subscribed!
My first video i've seen of yours and damn the content of this video strikes everyone one of my interests and made me laugh. Great job :)
Legit M1 operators... throwing around with that ammo like a BOSS!
Empty Garands don't get you killed, stupid myths do.
Greatest rifle ever made. love the ping sound and the .30-60 is not something you want to get hit with.
.30-06
That sound from the second perspective is so satisfying.
Place a decidable meter in front of the target and one behind the shooter; my hypothesis is that due to blue shift and red shift the sound will be louder for the target, which will negate the clip ejection noise.
Love the D&D reference...but for the garand shouldn't the roll use a d8?
Desert Ranger The Garand would use a D20 to hit like everything else. If anything the .30-06 cartridge would give it a solid D10 or D12 for damage. What you expect to happen to your D&D game world if you allow such an uber powerful boom stick into it, well.. not in my campaign. Even Ash only had a sawed off double barrel .12 Guage that retailed at S-Mart for about $119.95 when he fought the Army of Darkness. What in Middle Earth are you throwing at your player characters that they'd need a battle rifle?
We don't talk about D20 modern.
General Patton called the M1 "the greatest implement of war ever invented." It won WWII. It was used in Korea, and was only replaced by the M14 (a variation of the M1) in Vietnam.
The freakin' rifle is ergonically superb. Easy to shoot. And the 30-06 round will take any game in the lower 48. Nothing to sneeze at. Who cares about the ping? The asshole you're shooting at will be dead or have his head down when it pings. Superb rifle.
Yeah it was an excellent gun for the war ww2 Its still an oversite to have the ping there but really minor one but not all guns can be perfect.
@@Jebu911 how at all is it an oversite or a bad thing. Its a reminder to reload cos when your in combat sometimes you forget how many shots you fired. It was the pretty loud safety catch that was its one tiny drawback as it could sometimes ruon ambuses
@@keyboardmamma wouldnt ruin an ambush because you would probably shoot first reload later. The fact that the clip just flies off in random direction isnt a good design. Its clear the gun wasnt perfect design considering some inexperienced soldiers lost their thumbs while reloading the thing because of the bolt.
@@Jebu911 i said the safety catch had the chance to ruin an ambush did you even read my reply. The safety catch is quite loud and so when you disengage it as you wouldn't just have it off until you made sure you were aiming at the enemy it would make a very audible clack. If you've got a whole squad disengaging their safeties in the span of 10 seconds when the enemy are probably actively listening for signs of the enemy and aren't being deafend by gunfire it could possible alert the enemy to a potential ambush. Of course it might be too late but it could still sometimes give them some warning which may just save them. Please read before you reply cos i certainly didn't say the ping from reloading would cause an ambush to be ruined
It is a good rifle, but not quite as good as you make it out to be. Its not Superb, no early autoloader is, and the m1 certainly has its flaws.
Prime reason the banzai charge didn't work in ww2 against the Americans. A sad and regrettable lol.
So its sad to you that japans banzai charges proved a failure in the long run against American forces? Care to explain, or should I just make an assumption?
No I laughed in regret. I didn't want to laugh at such dark humor, but I just couldn't help myself.
Ah, gotcha.
Love it. Everyone forgets, in war nobody has hearing protection! Especially the enemy far away to hear a band ejecting from a gun!!!!!
I truly enjoy how the bloke is more scared of the reaction of Mrs the chap than the insurers
Why was this in my recommended
Because he is a fucking gentleman and he shall bless you with his good taste?
Because who the fuck doesn't like the good ol M1
mrusername09 You wouldn't like it if you were on the receiving end, though
pew pew pew
Because we don’t want no fuddlore
I will offer some first hand insight from my father who was a combat infantryman with the 168th Regiment 34th Division and fought from Tunisia to north of Rome. He used a M1 through north Africa and then with promotion went to a Thompson. Generally being a man of few words his first response was "Bullsh*t". When pressed for details he said this was never an issue. Not once. Not ever. Pure movie and internet hype. If you want to talk about what an infantryman feared you need to discuss 88s and MG 42s. Thank you for again disproving this nonsense.
Fun fact more like "gun fact" get it ? Hahahahaha
American soldiers was once bang the clip / round holder against there helmets so I it sound like that American fired all of his rounds but he didn't
in WW3, soldiers with m1+2=3 grand used to bang their guns on their dick to taunt the incoming nukes
trust me. I played called of dooty. part of a true toy story
um, why would it be in the manual? the manual teaches you how to use the gun, not tips on using it.
Not confirming or denying here, but what does the manual have to do with imitating an empty gun? That's battlefield inginuity not a bonified way to use the firearm.
why would it say that in the manual dumbfuck, its called improvisation.
Not Tactical angry dude? lol
Great video, enjoy anything about the M1 Garand. I have a Sprinfield Armory M1 that I bought from the Civilian Marksmanship Program here in the US. The receiver was manufactured in June of 1944 and she still shoots like a champ! Everyone on the firing line always stops shooting to hear the ping.
Even if the myth proved to be true, I would still take the M1 over any other rifle of WWII. Great video. Thanks for busting the myth.
I once met a WWII veteran who told me that one night in Guadalcanal they were bouncing those M1 cartridges off their helmets to trick the Japanese to come out of cover.
My grandfather told me the same think.
0hn0haha Thats cuz 1) Americans reproduce much larger families than Russians meaning more people are linked to the same grandparents and 2) Russian soldiers were silenced after the war to avoid letting the world know of their own war crimes.
They all say that, yet no one can actually prove that it happened.
Consider that old people sometimes (often) tell tall tales.
and because of that, they have anime
I highly doubt that this is true and if it is I doubt even more that it worked. It's a rather stupid idea when you think about it. You would not want to give away your position in a firefight first of all. Secondly it's rather unlikely that the Japanese or anyone else for that matter noticed the pinging sound while hundreds of feet away. Thirdly why would you poke your head up at the sound of the least deadly of your enemy's 4 common weapon systems being empty? Even if their Garands are all empty for 3-5 seconds why would you risk getting shot by BARs, Thompsons, and M1919A6s just for a chance to catch one or even a few riflemen empty when they are supported by machine gunners?
The US soldiers would try and bang an empty M1 grand on there helmet to try and get the German to peak his head up how effective it was is debatable
Bloke on the Range I think he means the empty clip
Bloke on the Range sorry I ment clip
***** now THAT would be something to see. but sadly, i think they banged their clips on their helmets. after all, the clip does make more noise.
and it puts you in less danger than thwacking yourself upside the dome with your own rifle to get the enemy's attention. XD
kromwell smith well that solves the problem of you shooting them if you hit yourself with your rifle
Bill Nye The Russian Spy i gotta wonder how stupid you've got to be to think you'll kill your enemy doing that though.
but then again, soldiers that dumb were probably shot immediately, if there were any.
You shouldn't really indulge the idiots that talk nonsense about Garands .However, I'm pleased you do cos the vids have been mint!
Never see ya before, Bloke.
Very impressed by your load skill of the M1. Can't wait to try it myself!
One thing I've heard was that the "ping" would give away the GI's position. As if the gunshot itself wouldn't do that adequately...
You remind me of a more groomed and untattooed version of Vincent Bennett from The Acacia Strain.
I wish I could own an M1 here so I could undertake crucial research like this....
Now don't lie, you just want to shoot it and hear the "PING!" :P (I don't blame you, I do too!)
clangerbasher you can just get permits
nate d Straight pull < semi=auto. :) ;)
Is it the M1 Garand that had a habit of catching/cutting fingers when you loaded those clips because it would automatically close the clip cover (not sure of the name of that top part that shuts). In your video you seem to do it manually after loading the clip in, not sure if that's a option or maybe a later improved version. Or I am just completely wrong.
Yega "garand thumb" is what happens if the weapon doesn't fully lock back the bolt before putting in a new clip. The bolt slams forward as soon as the new clip is inserted and will usually chew up your hand.
Had it happen to me once and it hurt like hell. I thought I was going to lose the thumbnail for a while.
David Ure I knew it was something like that.
Bloke on the Range, maybe it applies to a certain version of the M1? Not sure if there have been a number of improvements, maybe the early models had this fault.
Either way, I'd love to fire a M1 :)
***** I dont know, sorry. I have no experience of the weapon (or any weapon as a matter of fact).
When I insert my en-block into my M1, I slide my thumb along the slide/firing pin assembly so that when it does "catch" and start to slide forward, my thumb is already there to stop it. Also keep in mind that most soldiers wore gloves (for the most part) while in WW2, so their hands wouldn't get all abused from things like this.
The "cover" is simply called the bolt.
I think this may have been plausible in some rare instances in the pacific theater where the fighting became extremely close and personal. In "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge he describes the intense nights at Peleliu and Okinawa where the enemy could be in the foxhole just a few feet away without them knowing. The 3 variables here being 1.) The enemy is very close 2.) It's very dark and difficult to see 3.) The element of surprise is in play, allowing the enemy to wait for the ping and storm the foxhole... Plausible? Sure. Common? I think definitely not. This can be related to another reason why many troops in the pacific would keep pistols, because they're handy at night and discrete.
First vid of u guys I've ever seen, now I'm subbed and about to binge watch.
love the intro
Ah, but what about the hitler utes? They were younger, faster, had teenage hearing and were more fanaticaler. ;)
Another super video, thanks.
Are you saying the force is not strong enough in me?
Well, since you're speaking English in Switzerland and shooting Italian Garands I'd say the force may be a tad overrated.
Shaun Evertson Really? Hitler Utes? Gawd have mercy because the human race has no hope.
Of course the hitler utes. Particularly the elite 38th pie finders. The war would have gone very differently if they hadn't lost poor Joachim on June 17... :(
Are you saying that the M1 Garand Rifle is in fact the original machine that goes Ping?
Just a bit of trivia: the pouch at the appendix of a 1928 cartridge belt (the one with the US stamp) is originally reserved for the issued oil can.
The sheer noise of a rifle is not done justice by television. Anyone who believe you can hear a fart sound is kidding themselves