DETAILED In-Depth Harley Pan America Special Review 1500 Miles with Tech details and Issues 4K
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If you are looking for a head-to-toe review of the Pan America, this is your video. I go over everything about the HD Pan America and my likes and dislikes. It is a brutally honest review of the Harley PA, and yes I have some gripes (including one big one mechanically). I go over everything, including a detailed video on the TFT display and technology that comes on the bike. Detailed review on the highly advanced ARH electronically adjustable suspension!! I also tell you about the issues I have and hope to resolve. Please let me know your review in the comments below. Harley Davidson did a good job on the Pan America, but off on a few items.
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Pan America is one of the very few HD that I really like. For it’s first year in production, I am really impressed. Especially impressed when I consider HD’s history. Love it!
Good job on the video
Totally agree! Thank you again!
This is by far the most complete review I have seen on this bike to date! Outstanding Job!
Fantastic, detailed review. Thank you! You've answered many questions - even some questions I didn't know I had!
Glad it was helpful!
Great in depth review. I now have 5000 miles on mine, and it just gets better!!
You are an animal!! I need to take a drive north and visit. I also enjoy your videos. Let's ride when the border opens up. - Pete
Thanks for this detailed owner review! One observation - you may want to check into your description of the Adaptive Ride Height (ARH $1K option) vs. the electronically adjusted suspension that is standard on all the "Specials". The intelligent suspension behavior is true of all PA Specials, not just those with ARH. From what I've read and from my test ride experience the ARH does not add functionality to the suspension other than the automatic lowering & raising on stop & go.
ARH lowers the bike at rest. The semi-active suspension system common to all S models regardless of whether ARH is present, adjusts the suspension in the manner you describe.
The issue with the starting is from Harley-Davidson using a under sized battery and cables. The pan am should come with a lithium ion battery and larger battery cables. I HAD this issue and the fix was the battery and cables. I made custom cables and installed a Harley-Davidson lithium ion battery on my dime
Lithium batteries fukn suck. I replaced 3 on an EBR at 240$ a piece. Once they go past half dead they are usually toast.
@@fvgc454ss my lithium battery on my 01 busa lasted over 8 years. Lithium batteries are awesome. You may have a stator or regulator/rectifier issue.
Lithium or not, gauge of wiring could be a factor
@@fvgc454ss not at all, you must have either a bad battery of something else. I am using a lithium battery in my bike and no issues at all. Starts great and works great. Only issue that i had was with my charger, had to buy a separate one.
@@Dude_Virus Lithium batteries cannot be revived like agm batteries past a certain percentage. Once they are drained pasts 50-60% a cell is usually dead amd cannot be revived. Ive had em all Shorai, Ballistic, Wps, antigravity, Scorpion. Scorpion is the only one that once was drained was able to be revive to hold a charge again. They also don't work like an AGM during start up. Especially on high compression V twin bikes thar have alot of compression. A Lithium battery will turn the started until it gets to a certain percent then just stop. Just like lithium powered hand tools. They won't slowly die and lose cranking power. They just stop. An AGM will at least still try to turn the starter even at a low percent. Half the companies I mentioned aren't even in business anymore. I had these things since they first came out. Scorpion is the only one I would buy
Great video; awesome job!
Just wait until the tuners start messing with this thing we’re going to have 200+ hp Pan Ams .
Come to daddy
Any idea who will make a tuner for them?
@@brents1643 probably all the companies that make fuel tuners for Harleys. I'd say Vance and Hinesand Fuel Moto will likely be the first to crack the code! I can't wait to see what they come up with!
That will be a first !!
Great review! I'm definitely getting on this year.
You should!
Love your review. I have a 2022 Special on order to arrive mid March. Looking forward to enjoying retirement travels.
I got a ‘21 deadwood green bike earlier this year. Love it!!!
My issues. Changing the air filter is a nightmare, Hot legs....Hot radiator pipe... Bike rest is in the wrong place, and part of the engine... Continual electronic error messages. The seat pushes you forward. Apart from that I love it.
I got to demo one last weekend, what a bike! I’m not a Harley guy either but man this bike felt great. For a shorter guy like me the adjustable suspension is a game changer. I only had 30 minutes on the bike but there wasn’t anything that jumped out as a problem. I’m not in the market to drop $20k right now on a bike but maybe in 3 years used. My only concern, the long-term reliability of that fancy suspension, I guess only time will tell.
Good review. I have some of these same issues. The starter problem is absolutely the high compression ratio coupled being at TDC. However, i thought there was an electronically controlled compression release. My guess is they will come out with a higher torque starter to fix the issue. I just did my 1400 mile service and let them know there was a flash that fixed the battery drain and also keeps the USB powered while the bike is running. I also have a BMW S1000XR as my comparison. The Harley is far more comfortable, albeit less powerful. Just s tip, i use the same widget layout and sometimes changing the background color helps with visibility. You do that by holding the home button for 3-5 seconds.
the S1000 XR is a performance oriented ADV, just like the Multistrada. This Pan Am, to me, is the contender against the R1250 GS, which is a unique bike in its own world. Great brands, good motorcycle and each has its own character.
Cool vid. I’m seriously thinking about buying one. Test rode one a few weeks back and while I still like my air-cooled Harley, this just felt as if I had suddenly upgraded to a motorcycle after 50 years - which is about right from the technology standpoint. 😆
I picked up my 2022 Pan Am Special three weeks and 1,000 miles ago. At age 66, this is my first large displacement bike, so I can't really compare it to anything. But from my limited experience, I will say your review seems spot on. Thank you! I purchased the bike for a x-country trip this summer. At only 5'8" tall, the Adaptive Ride Height is much appreciated. And when the bike is in sport mode ... !!!!
Right on
Good review. I had my PA special for about a month now. About 2000km on it so far, and it's now in the workshop due to a problem with speed limiter. The bike won't go above 177kph. Anyway, that's a big problem that I am sure it will be sorted soon. My problem is the heat, especially the left side of the bike when the fan kicks in. I live in the tropics, temperature hits 40degC all year round. The problem with the bike is it can't cool down. The fan will kick in at 106degC and suppose to bring the heat down to 95degC and turn off, and repeat the whole cycle. The problem I have is the heat just won't go down in a hot day. Temperature keeps going up and up with the fan continuously running. I had it went up to 109degC and have to shut down the engine to avoid over heating. I have never had this kind of problem before. I had the KTM1290SAS, and GSA1200 before, KTM is a hot bike but regardless what the ambiant temperature is, it will be able to cool the engine down once fan is on. Tried the hot idle with one of their demo bike, same problem. I guess you guys will find out come summer...
Awesome review!
Thank you!
Great Review...!
Great review! Personally, I prefer the cable clutch for better control during slow maneuvers.
The more I ride my PanAm the more the happier I’m about purchasing it.
Agreed!!
Good review. Thx for the feedback. I test rode a standard model a couple weeks ago and was pretty impressed. I’ve never owned a Harley Davidson yet either and this one or the new sportster S has got me curious. Cheers!
Great review man!!! I’m in love with this bike and after riding it for a week “borrowed” I’m certainly buying one this summer
Good review ride Harleydavidson would love one
Ordered mine (UK Gateshead) complete with aluminium luggage to be delivered in September. Hopefully starter glitch sorted by then. looks like I need to order radiator guard + Skid also in coming months. (Sourced myself a tank bag and Boom helmet over here in UAE where I work) Im 6'5" so maybe tall boy seat later as well. Cant wait for deliver n collecting!! Great review thank you.
Great review!!! I have the factory test drive demo coming up in October. I'm expecting to have a new ride in 2022 LOL
If they aren't back ordered!
Have a look at Bike World's review on this bike ..The nice young Brit who put the bike through some great off road work was saying the same thing on the starter. towards the end of his video.. .His tec guess was that there is so much electrical stuff being driven by the battery that it is over worked and so miss fireing maybe 1 out of 10 starts ..Good luck with figuring it out but you are not alone ... LOve that part of NH on the Maine line .. Yours from Litchfield CT .. Guy
Great truthful intelligent review. Maine looks great.
Amazing and really impressive of how you explain all buttons and each function 👏 .
Have you try the BMW GS before you consider the PA. I did try the PA during Harley Demo here in NJ.
The computer cluster are too small for me and I didn't know that you can customize according to your needs. Because the GS you can see everything in any conditions but the PA when its really bright and it hits the cluster it's hard to see. Maybe its me but my favorite part is when you stop and it goes down during the traffic which is reality useful for me as a small rider. Also, luck of accesories support from HD. So far this is the best video of HD Pan America that I have seen. Good job👍👍
I test rode the Pan America yesterday in the UK. Great bike and really informative review. 👍
Cool, thanks!
CBS (combined braking system) used to be quite common in touring bikes maybe 15 years ago but most vendors have since abandoned it. It's still often seen on small bikes (at least in Europe) because the Euro standard had an exception for
Great review! Very thorough. One of the better reviews on uTube. Have been considering making the jump from sport tourer to ADV. I’ve been riding ST’s for the better part of 20yrs & would like to switch it up & I’ve heard nothing but great things abt the PA
Heated grips you can fix much easier if they are externally wired is what I heard.
I've had a Pan Am since March 2023, done about 6,000 miles, had only a few small minor problems, like software not updated by the dealer prior to pick up and the odometer stopping, then needing a remote login to fix. I had the same starter problem, they replaced the starter clutch. I had a few problems with the hose clamps weeping after they changed the starter clutch, I think they took a short cut and reused the clamps, easy to fix with a normal hose clamp. The other problem was the hose being too close to the header and getting a burn mark. Fixed with making the hose short and wrapping the header. I have an ongoing problem with the battery not liking to sit for a couple of days, and not holding charge. Other than that, I'm really enjoying the Pan Am. My other bike is a 1988 Lowrider with a sidecar.
Excellent review! Very comprehensive and fair.
I do have a question - How is the operation of the windscreen and any buffeting?
Yes, lots. I found the windshield lowered a bit was better than all the way up
Hi i have a Harley Davidson Fat Bob 114 and i have a Triumph Tiger 900 gt pro and love both of them. I took the HD Pan Am for a test ride and even with the ARH and low seat i was still on tip toes. I got a lot of vibration in the crotch area. The kick stand I had trouble trying to put it down and i was getting a lot of buffering in my helmet and as you explained very jolty at low speed. I do love the bike but not enough to exchange one of mine to a Pan am.
Collect mine this week and with your video and SNOWBIRD BIKER + others I feel pretty confident if I do have issues one of you will be able to help me address them.
Thank you kindly!
The starter is probably getting heat soak. If you have a combination of slightly low battery voltage and a hot starter, this creates a problem with some bikes. A different brand of battery or a better battery might solve the problem. I've heard of this issue on other motorcycles and one solution was to run 2 batteries, and have 24 volts going to the starter, and it solved the issue. A lithium ion or other battery might be less affected by the heat? The battery might be so hot that it is having some voltage drop?
Well explained reveiw, if you hold down home button it turns screen white so you can read it better
An excellent,very considered review. The active ride height interests me a lot being only 5’8”. If I got one of the new Sportsters I’d look at adding a PaAmerica tank for range. The standard 11.8 litres isn’t adequate. Ive owned an R80GS and an R100GS- never had an issue with shaft drive and much prefer it. Belt drive not an option. Love to see a comparison review with a GS 1250/1300.
I will do a shoot out here at some point. I like the GS a bunch, but it has some quirks and needs that BMW should address. But, so does this bike! Ride safe!
Would you say the bike would be comfortable for 5"6
Don't worry about the starter mine does the same thing.
Same starting issue on my ktm 1290 adventure, its the starter torque limiter slipping.
BMW has had adjustable ABS and linked brake system for over 10 years. Plus height adjustment. It does not drop at lights/stops though.
Height adjustment is done automatically based upon load
The Pan America is the first Harley Davidson motorcycle I ever wanted. I have a 2019 Indian FTR 1200 S Race Replica.
It is my first! I am loving it
How do u like the FTR? I rode one whe. They came out. Liked it alot. A bit heavy. Just couldn't justify 17500 for it.
@@fvgc454ss I love it. It's my first motorcycle over 1000cc.
Starter issue sounds to me like the computer has not got everything ready before routing juice to the starter. I understand the new motor has a start assit low compression mode. Possibly it’s not engaged in time.
This is the only HD I can think of to own, but it became a Guzzi, V85TT. But I'm not dead yet, so who knows, driven a GS for many years.EDIT: Really hope HD gets back on its feet!
Great info, thx. Does HD require a proprietary CAN-BUS diagnostic tool? Is there a work-around? I don't know much about the brand, and I don't know how 'dealer-dependent' these might be. Also, how is the heat-output? Is it a thigh-roaster in summer traffic?
I am waiting for aftermarket CANBUS tools to be available. Right now it's a dealer thing. Heat is not bad, the right thigh gets a touch warm if you don't watch were you have it, but once your moving it is just fine. Best bike I have ever had!
Great video, can you explain the wheelie control option a bit more in a video?
Yes, but it is very technical. It is all about throttle control and braking. If you turn off traction control and put it in off road pro, you can wheelie for days
Great review, one thing I want to ask is, does this bike have a security system feature? I have to imagine many of these Pan American bikes will be parked in hotel parking lots when traveling. It’s a lot of bike to just walk away from! I understand these new pan ams are selling extremely well! I can see why with all those incredible features and that powerful engine. You really have to give Harley Davidson a ton of credit, and they will only get better in the coming model years.
Yes it does. It arms when you walk away. You can add a siren as well
I bought a special about a month ago and have put a little over 1k miles on it.lost a week to rain. I really enjoy the bike a little disappointed about the accessories backorder situation. I have the same gripes about the controls I have done both the headlights and shut off the bike. I really hate the HD navigation it is awful. Within min it is just a grid all info has disappeared.wish the manual had more info on maintenance. Most of it says take to a.dealer, chain adjustment,oil change, and battery replacement.stuff I thought they should put in for the average joe.
Love the seat,love the wind flow around the bike. Great job on the windscreens. Overall I'm really enjoying the bike. Don't know if I can find a manual for the bike. I hate to always take to a dealership.
Great review - I´m considering of buying on e as Harley #2 - any more comments 8 months after buying ? Thanks !
I've seen a couple of reviews that give me pause. Think I'll wait for 2023 or so to let them work the problems out.
If I didnt do MC reviews, I would have too. However, HDMC has been nothing but good to me with the bike.
I got 1900 on my PA and haven't had a problem yet. The clock will never be right if it's isn't connected to the App. which is very stupid of Harley to do along with navigation . I use my Zumo XT instead .
Seems like no one like any built in navigation system. Love having apple CarPlay on my goldwing. Thanks for the review I am on the fence about adding one to my garage.
I agree. I first thought having carplay on a motorcycle was strange but once I started using it I never leave it off.
But for bikes with no dedicated speedo I don't see how they can have a carplay feature. So I assume you just mount you phone on the handlebars for the navigation.
Glad to help. Maybe in the future they will add it. They just updated the maps feature and it is a bit better.
I test rode one just for fun about a month ago, expecting to hate it, and I didn't. I think if you look at its real competition, which is the 1250 GSA, 1290 Super Adventure and maybe the Super Tenere, it is a reasonable contender. That class of bike is not my cup of tea, but it felt solid, and the motor reminded me a great deal of the KTM.
The Special is definitely the version to get. I think they are gonna struggle to sell standard versions.
Great honest review from an owner of one..The best kind of review‼️ I test rode one and loved it..Got a little warm on the left side of the motor and someone said its the radiator fan blowing that heat..I been putting it off to order one due to the little glitches some are having. Sucks that the accessories are back ordered cuz I can get 20% off through my dealership. I think I will write up an order..@~^&@#./‼️
Looks as though the right side bag mount extends a bit further to the right than to the left to clear the exhaust and with identical sized bags, makes the bike asymmetric - wider on the right. True?
Just a bit, but maybe only 1" +/-
The dealership started one up for me this weekend and it had the same starter issue
I tried to go for a test ride, it wouldn't start.
You need to download the maps to your phone on the Harley app to have maps when you have no cell coverage.
@Hat Bird From the app tap the helmet icon. Then settings in upper right corner. At the bottom is "offline maps".
Very informative video, appreciate the time and effort. Considering a PA as my next bike. FYI - Navigation on all Harleys suck. Still don't understand that one.
Thank you sir. And I am told that HD needs to step up the nav game. Hopefully they will push it out via a software update. Ride Safe! Pete
Top notch review. I know I will own a Pan America at some point, that being said...I'm not really digging the offset paniers. Is that normal for ADV bikes? Do you notice the imbalance? Might be dumb questions, but I might have to settle with soft bags to avoid that awkward look. Thanks for sharing your perspective. RIDE SAFE
Thanks for the comment! Yes, they do offset, and no, you can't feel it. The cases really protect the bike of you drop it on the trail too, which is why I would use these over bags. (Saved me a few times!) That being said, the bike is wider than an old maine women at the buffet!
My concern if I buy one, is how do I dress when riding it ? It's a Harley, so I need to look bad ass Hells Angles like, but with a twist of European adventure.
EXACTLY. Like "I going to shank you, but you will enjoy the experience"
Don’t worry there are a lot of brands for adventure riders on the market - see REVIT / HELD / KLIM
Aerostich Roadcrafter. It looks just as out of place on any bike!
Are you having any issues with the heat from the EG or Exhaust? I'm currently riding mine in 80 degree weather and my feet and lower legs are getting very hot while riding.
it has a catalytic converter under your right foot. The excessive heat starts to go away after 1000 miles
No, not that bad. I have seen some wrap the pipes and it seems to help.
That heat is very typical of high performance liquid cool v-twins. My KTMs and previous Ducati's get real hot on my legs when Temps get 85 and above. Just the nature of these high HP large bore twins.
Lol more Harley Davidson junk.
My Pan America Special overheated and blew the engine at 5,000 miles halfway through a 2,500-mile trip. The bike has now been in the shop for three weeks, and today, I finally got an update on the cause. The Tech tells me the manifold going from the Oil Pump to the engine's top-end came loose. They are still waiting for Harley Corp tech support to get back with further instructions. I love the bike, but it doesn't seem like the dealerships want anything to do with servicing and repair it. I hope Harley takes care of me, but I'm skeptical due to being in the shop for three weeks and not getting any update other than they are waiting on Harley's tech support. I did ask the Tech how much internal damage there was, and they said Harley had not instructed them to make any more tear down; they just wanted pics of the cause. However, the Tech did tell me that they did a compression check on the cylinders, and they are entirely different front to back, and there is coolant in my engine oil. Fingers Crossed!
Any updates ?
@@unounv Harley replaced the engine then the bike had a bunch of electrical issues with the suspension. I gave up on the bike and sold it back to the dealership for a loss. Bought a 2022 BMW GSA
@@PeterAngles-ks9fp 😂 hahahaha
Also maybe the engine can be tuned for more torque on the low end, since that's what they done with the sportster S
With the handguards, its the same setup as the Buell Ulysses. If your hand falls down between the bars and handguards during a crash you won't break your wrists?
The handguards easily pop off.. so in the event your hands were to slide between the two I'm sure they'd just pop off.
This makes sense
The sound that your starter is making is called "starter motor groan". It's caused by the battery not being fully charged. Try keeping your battery on a tender when the bike is not in use and see if the issue resolves itself.
The answer to your observation was in the video, the starter motor was replaced and the problem went away. Besides, 1,500 miles in 4 weeks, it has been ridden more than 50 miles a day on average, shouldn't need a battery tender.
I'm trying to buy 1 and it's on order but who knows when it will arrive
2022!
It reports speed to Harley 😳 the battery can get flooded? What about the side stand bolted to the engine case and a Myers ring with the center stand?
I did a 500 mile ride a couple of days ago and I literally didn't get off the bike, just pulled up to the gas pumps, pumped while sitting and took off again - it's that comfortable. I bought the Sport luggage and since it isn't as popular as the aluminum luggage I had all three pieces (side cases, top case, mounting bracket for top case) within a week of purchase (I purchased mine on 19 May). I don't plan on taking it off road so the Sport luggage is fine for me. The starter issue is endemic to all Pan Americas so I don't know what HD will do to address it.
HD sent me a little plaque to commemorate my purchase of the Pan Am, did you get one? It probably only cost them $10 but I have never received such a thing before and I purchased a HD 100th Anniversary model brand new. So far it is the best bike I have ever owned as well, we'll see how it holds up as time and miles go on.
I got the Sport luggage also. I like it; fits on the bike really well.
I’m really torn between getting a Pan America or GS 1250.
@@L0rdZedd GS1250 Adventure. The bike does it all.
@@bukweet I really like how it looks and the fact there are no side brackets left on the bike when you remove the cases.
@@bukweet I forgot to ask - is the top box supposed to have sideways movement of about 1"? The bracket on mine moves side to side about1" and it looks to me like it was designed to do it. I asked the dealer and they have no idea why but it seems intentional.
I have the same starting problem :(
I don't know if it is any better than the main ADV bikes out there. It's a good start but I think the look of the front is just not right in my opinion but thats just me!! I love the sound of the Triumph Triple!!! Very few other bikes sound as good as a Triple maybe the inline 6 of the K1600 series, that thing is just a widow maker though !!!!!!
So the issue with the starter. Granted, I just bought my PanAm about a week ago and I got the special. I haven’t had the starter issue at all. I was told at the dealer though that when you first turn on the bike, let the computer and hud run through its little cycle first before starting the bike. Every video I’ve seen so far that shows that starting issue, they don’t let the hud run through it’s cycle first before trying to start the bike. When I first turn on the bike, I just sit there for about 5 seconds to let it run through its startup cycle and then start the bike and I haven’t had any problems so far. I don’t know if this helps anyone or if this is just common knowledge. This is my first off the lot bike and my first Harley and I absolutely love this PanAmerica!
Thank you for the comment, but I am sorry it does not make a difference, have tried it backwards to Sunday with no improvement.
Great video, have you noticed the brake lever and clutch lever are different in design and manufacture why? 😂
I’m loving mine but still getting used to the length and weight as had a Sportster before which holds its weight a lot lower!
Nice! Yes, I don't understand the difference on the levers
The hand guards are described by HD as 'wind deflectors'. I don't think they are intended to provide impact protection
I ride in the desert and there aren't any trees, so most of us don't go with bark busters. Generally just go flimsy, keep cactus and roost off your hands and help keep your hands from freezing when it's cold out. Also the really solid ones can break your wrists if you go over handlebars.
@@ironmonkey1512 I dunno, been riding enduros for 45 years, never seen it happen
Not the bike I'm after BUT Good review !! .
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I'm after a sporster s
Waiting on dealers getting them Australia....
Then reviews , look and test ride
Cant wait
DO IT
The phone app based navigation is lame to me as well. BMW does this as well. I think KTM And Ducati do it too?
But I just use the phone itself for navigation anyway so I don't think it's an issue for me. I suspect the bike makers like the app based navigation because it gives me access to your ride data and as we all know by now if something if "free" that means you're the product.
I understand that since they've made the bike's software from the ground up, that's why something's need work,but it's definitely off-putting knowing that the dressers, street glides and above just got android auto and apple car play. Yet they release this without. Sweet bike, looking forward to being able to afford one 😂
I checked Harley's website, and found that a number of accessories like seats and panniers are still out of stock. It's surprising that they were apparently unprepared for the demand for those items, given that selling accessories is such a big part of their business. Is it a result of them selling more PanAms than they expected?
Good review BTW.
This is the same company that replaced a perfectly good Timken cam bearing with a garbage INA caged bearing in there shovel and evolution motors so nothing surprises me about them
My Pan Am Special has the simi adaptive ride height suspension. It does not lower when the bike comes to a stop, but it lowers at other times. I haven't figured out when those times are. If bike is cold I can turn the ignition on and the suspension doesn't react. If I've been out riding and I turn the bike off, when I turn it back on, it lowers. It seems to do it when it wants, and it's not predictable....at least by me. If anyone has an explanation, I'd appreciate hearing it.
It is a bug- I had the same experience and they don’t have a fix yet. I even set it to the ‘lock ride height’ setting and it would drop. Scared me the first time it did it at a stoplight
@@BackDraftBikes is this issue fixed now ?
I checked k on be out today, why did they put the battery and rectifier behind the front wheel 😬
Its ok its all sealed and its good to have as much weight as low as possible. Think Buell Uly.. HDs first ADV bike, all the weight is low.
Agreed. They do it for center of gravity (from what the factory told me)
t think it is unfair to compare the Scrambler with this Pan Am. Apart from that, thanks for sharing your experience. Awesome!!!! One suggestion - lace your video with some B rolls so that viewers get to see other things apart from the road in front of you!
I'll stick with my 2021 R1250-GS Triple black.
H-D has a winner here, but I would never buy a Bike with such a new Engine and platform.
If I ever decide to trade and go back to H-D , it would be in 2-3 yrs until all the Software and or Any Gremlins are perfected/weeded out.
bravo mon conccesionaire dit que il nest pas au courant du probleme du démareur
I know what you mean about the jiffy stand, it took me tipping over twice before I figured it out, it has a notch in the upper part the stand locks in, I haven't dropped it since I figured out how it works. Yeah, I hate the high beam switch, I wish it was somewhere else. I had to adjust the clutch lever first thing too. I wished they put a hydraulic clutch system on it, but the cable one is actually pretty smooth. I bought the PAS in October, I ordered the side cases, and skid plate when I bought it, still waiting. I guess I'll order the Chinese radiator guard, because of the crazy wait times for the HD pieces. Love the bike it is the most fun bike I've owned!
I ended up doing that with the Chinese stuff, I posted a video on it. I will tell you to stay away from the tank pads, but the rest of the stuff was great
@@BackDraftBikes I caught the issue with the tank pads, I'll wait for the HD pieces to come. Thanks!
At the dealer. Harley mantra.
One minor point, I really like the design of the instrument display. I have the africa twin. Great bike, but I don't care for the massive stationary frame mounted fairing, and the instrument display is just marginal. The Pan-am sure looks interesting..
So I'm going to either guy a pan america or a scrambler 1200 XE. You would say the pan america is way way better?
It’s a nice bike, but I hear most of the praise coming because people are surprised that it’s so good and for most, it the persons first Harley. I’ve had 5 Harley’s over past 25 years so I’m not caught up in the nostalgia or image that new Harley owners get caught up in. I’ve rode it and it’s nice, but I ride a 2020 Tiger 1200 Desert and my buddy rides a GS 1250 and the Harley definitely ain’t there yet boys. It’ll get there if they stick with it. Just be ready to shell out the cash cause HD stands for Hundred Dollars. That’s why you got a bunch of crap you need on back order. They make bikes that cause you to buy accessories. That’s the HD way. Good luck tho, I’ll be interested in seeing how it holds up.
@Bob Holley. In Europe BMW cost more, also for their accessories. The GS1250 is not better in my opinion then the PanAm, I've ridden both extensively before deciding to purchase the PanAm. On road the PanAm is better, of road it is comparable in my opinion. In wha way the GS1250 is better in your opinion? (In the Netherlands GS1250 similair specced will costs easily 3000 euro;s more then the PanAM)
@@marcdroste4217 I think it’s probably more of a personal choice than anything Marc. I really like the way the GS handles and it’s hard to argue the proven track record that it has. I bought the Tiger because I quite frankly liked it’s appearance and comfort as I’m 52 years old. There’s not as much price difference here when you look at both bikes which are similarly equipped. So I based my opinion on the track record of the GS and the fact that there are Battery/Starter issues beginning to pop up here, but that may be due to the heat.
I will say that it is far better than I expected though. I have learned one thing in 40 years of motorcycle riding. If it makes you happy roll with it and have fun. Bike are like women, we should all love the one we have!
the starter problem is if the pisron is just before tdc it has to much back pressure and the starter rolls it past tdc then it starts like normal
A lot of the new bike motors that have to pass the euro-5 have high compression and fuel injection that is very lean needing to extremely hot running I feel sorry for the guy whose motor blew up in 5,000 miles and typical Harley all we will fix the problem that damage your engine but we won't fix the damage it caused especially when you have compression differences front-to-rear and if you have oil in the coolant you're done your motor shot my condolences
You buy that at Rochester hd?
They were out, but they are top notch folks, that's why I am having it serviced there.
I rode one for 200 miles would do the same thing when I tried to start it
You need to go to Amazon and order an approx. sized radiator guard , and zip tie it onto the front, just for temp protection, otherwise if you get a rock at high speed , you're done. And just imagine what a Back ordered radiator is gonna cost and how long it will take to get.
Truth! I ordered the chinese aftermarket one and it fit great. I am posting a video shortly on it.
I did not read all the comments but linked breaking and traction control are not new to this bike for Harley. Harley has the RDRS system and has been out for a couple years now that does all that, as an option on their touring bikes. If I were to go out and buy a new motorcycle right now this is the one I would buy
You spoke about the technology of the ABS brakes but not the hardware. I see they use Brembo monoblok calipers which are hard mounted to the forks (they don't float) and the rotors themselves are also hard mounted to the wheels. Anyone who has put some miles on a bike or who has made use of the performance, has had a disc or two warp. With floating rotors/calipers, the problem associated to warpage is dramatically reduced. Howe ver, since this Harley has non-floating rotors, any warpage will translate to an annoying pulse and reduced braking... I am curious to see a long term report on this...
These discs float. They are mounted with Brembo spring buttons. How do I know? I own(ed) BMW R1200GS bikes (2009 and 2015). Both bikes ended up with warped discs. Warping will happen to floating discs too and seems to be more often then not to Brembo discs. Got sick of dealers BS-ing about reasons. Got cheap SS aftermarket discs and no problem since. BTW , sold 2015 and still own 2009 GS. Never needed extra power and one less liquid to worry about on 2009 model. HD might not be top notch adventure bike yet but they are trying and that is good !
@@dubbartolec549 It appears that they use floating and non-floating rotors. If you go to Harley's site you will see the "Laced wheel with floating rotors. If you then go to their overview and look at the aluminum wheel, they appear to be solid rotors bolted to the wheel.
@@wmsmith9620 Did not mean to start argument here at all but it in both cases it is floating rotor. I wasn't aware that my BMW1200GS had floating rotors until I complained about exactly the same thing stating exactly the same argument and was shown how it is fastened to wheel.
Check it out on closeup of R1200GS picture:
www.ebay.com/itm/133832158012?hash=item1f2904ab3c:g:AnMAAOSwTiVhAcq8
They have same system for laced and alloy wheels and I think that actually was problem on R1200GS. Will go and check at Pan Am at HD dealer (if they got any here in Australia) when I pass by.
It is an impressive bike, alright. Good job on the review, too.
The occasional weird noise when starting seems to occur frequently and apparently is due to the rather weak battery. I've read and heard from several riders about this problem.
Regarding the phone-GPS connection loss, I've had the same issue when I tested the PanAm. Cellphone in my jacket pocket, kept losing connection and thus stopping the TBT instructions.
Tried different places to put my phone (in my jacket and pants pockets) but finally found a solution by putting the phone in the little luggage tray underneath the pillion seat (as the test bike didn't have a phone holder on the handle bars). Somehow, that was the only spot where it kept functioning during the ride.
I suppose H-D will improve on these little issues in the future. For their first try, this is one hell of an impressive scooter, though.
Agreed! Ride Safe Bro!
Gasgas' dirt bikes had similar issues as far as starter goes. I'd bet good money a higher cca battery would fix that issue.
Nope, I tried to go for a test ride, they tried that, thing wouldn't start.
Would have liked to see some mud action. I saw another review where the guy went off in the back country and had problems like kick stand sinks into soft dirt and center stand jammed when he stopped on a hill. Go look at Million Dollar Bogan channel to see his review and to see if it will help you set your bike up better. Very nice video and very thorough. Being short this bike won't work for me so I won't be buying one but I do like to check out stuff on YT to see what I am missing :)
You might be surprised on the height though, they make a low-boy seat and there are two height adjustments factory, AND the ARH really puts the bike low to the ground. Just my two cents, but lots of vertically challenged folks enjoying them! Ride safe!
Amazing er not really, BMW have had this tech for years.
Wouldn't swop my 1250 GS for this bike anytime soon .
Wonder how long the engine will last given the extreme compression ratio HD are using on this motor 🤔.
The lack of torque is a terrible idea on a bike of this type as well.
That windscreen blur would drive me nuts
Fortunately I look over the top. If I was shorter then I would be upset.