Daniel Week: Laphroaig Lore + Laphroaig 10
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2018
- Today we taste and review Laphroaig Lore and Laphroaig 10.
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in defense of laphroaig as a beginner whisky: laphroaig was the first real flavor experience i ever had. drinking bourbon everyone was like 'ooo you'll get cherries, caramel, blah blah' never got any of it. but then laphroaig was described as a campfire and goddamn it i tasted campfire. it was great. made me so happy, and i've never gone back from islay
I had a very similar experience with Laphroaig. It completely changed my Whisky experience.
Yeah, it smells and tastes like the Industrial Revolution 👍
jay Garcia -Ha, I agree. Like some coastal turn-of-the-century factory that melts steel or at least burns things. I love this whisky. It doesn’t F around and it’s great.
The only notes Ive gotten from whisky and bourbon are vanilla and maple.
I wanted something grilled
"Instead of desert I order a whiskey" and here I was, thinking I couldnt like Daniel more.
You guys just keep making me more and more excited to try laphroaig within the next month.
"Who among you is a mooch? Look in the mirror! Before the end, my name will be on your lips. And You. Will. Mooch." -Reverse Rex
From now on I only trust you to translate the "Reverse Rex"
Thank you, good sir!
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@Lord Garth, I agree with you completely. It is 2018 and UA-cam should have spoiler tag options by now. However, it is to our misfortune and disappointment that UA-cam's creative department has not even so much as hinted at this being an option in the near or distant future. Perhaps they have brought it up to the Chief Innovation Officer and they dismissed the idea or perhaps UA-cam CEO Susan Wojcicki has the last word on that and hasn't given authorization for whatever their reasoning might be.
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This week was my first contact with Islay peat whiskeys. My first glass of Laphroaig 10 was overwhelming and somewhat disappointing. Two days later I tried Lagavulin 8 this time and was equally amazed and fascinated. I did not know that smoky aromas could marry so well with a sweetness that little by little it was coming out of its hiding place behind a smoke screen. Today I just gave Laphroaig 10 a second chance and this time I have managed to tune in to what this whiskey is capable of offering. It has taken me to Scorsese's movie "Shutter Island" over the cliff, into the cave with the fire, into the gloomy corridors of a drug-scented asylum. And suddenly, in two drinks it has turned into a placid beach gathering on a starry night with friends around a candle. And the anise, raisins and candied dark fruit have come out behind the same mysterious smokescreen from the beginning. What a trip, friends!
*patiently waits in the comments for Christina Zirpoli to watch the video*
YES!!! The LORE I have been waiting for this one!!!!
Firstly, I absolutely love your channel(s), and they help(ed) me immensely in my persuit of whisk(e)y knowledge. Secondly, I looked at the list of whisk(e)ys you have at the vault and was actually surprised it does not have the Laphroaig Brodir Port wood finish. I would love to see a comparison of the Lore and the Brodir. I have not tried the Lore yet, but from all the Laphroaigs I have tasted the Brodir is my favorite.
To all you Magnificent Bastards: Slàinte mhath!
i love Daniel week; we get so much information, it helps me know whats going on. ill be sad when its over.
Laphroaig 10 was my first smokey whisky because of you guys. After it put the smack down on my ass, I was left a bit confused, I kinda liked what I had just experienced but feel like I shouldn't. I now want to try an Ardbeg, I think. Thank you for all the great information.
After careful research I also picked Laphroaig 10 as my first. Best decision of my life. It was only like three weeks ago and it is truly an eternal Christmas memory.
watching this I had to try Lore. My brother bought a bottle and 3 of us sat down to enjoy this experience. After pouring 3 glasses, before our first taste, one of them got up and left, came back with a mini bag of chili cheese Fritos, took a handful of Fritos to his mouth and while chewing took his first sip of Laphroaig Lore. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing. Then I thought of you guys, "the best whisky is the way you like like it".
I'm a newbie and I'm not acclimated to smoke/peat yet. When I tried a sip of Laphroaig 10 not too long ago with my more advanced whiskey-drinking Asian friends, they pointed out to me that, beyond the obvious smoke and cleaning product scents, there's also a ginseng taste on the palate and in the after taste, which I totally agree! Somehow that made Laphroaig more interesting to me and I'll definitely give it another shot in the near future.
Wooh my morning coffee!!! You guys rock!!
If anyone is curious about the testing mentioned at the beginning, my guess based on their videos is that they received the following results:
Daniel: INFJ
Rex: INFP
thought the same.
Dude, that statement about introverts is so spot on. I'm an introvert, and I've had people point out that one I get going, I don't stop, especially if it's a topic I enjoy and am knowledgeable about. Like, get me on about linguistics or programming algorithms or certain anime/game series, good luck getting me to shut up.
Just had my first laphroaig tonight after only ever having bourbons and I was instantly hooked. It wasn’t over aggressive, I got black pepper, salt water and seaweed mainly. I love salty and peppery food so that was very pleasant. Was much smoother than I was expecting.
I love Lore. On my top 10 easily.
You guys are essentially the “South Park” of whisky
Last 15 seconds sounds like cartman
Laphroaig 10 is my favorite - it reminds me of kelp on the beach after a big sea and burning peat after a bushfire. Magic.
Narcisism ends at 4:12 and the review begins... lol 😜 Great review as always guys!
I respect the cult of Ardbeg and Laphroaig, but I can't pick one over the other. I just love peat and all the different ones out there. Even though they are claim peated there is a vast vast difference in taste and that is what I like.
Laphroaig 10 is my favorite and to me is the most mellow whiskey. The peatiness is there, but doesn't leave a cigar smoke in my mouth like even a tame peaty whiskey like Highland Park. I could drink it by the glassful and sometimes do.
Thank goodness for fast forward!
I’ve hated whiskey for years, but liked Elijah Craig and Ild Granddad Bonded. Finally put the money out for Laproaig 10… as a Tequila/Mezcal lover, I loved it on the first sip
Lore blew me away!
First time here watching these guys videos and really enjoy their chatting. Ended up here looking for some reviews on Benromach whisky (sipping right now). It's really funny how people get to know some drinks. I had never been a whiskey lover before and been more into the cocktails. One good day I tried a Piniciline cocktail and was overwhelmed by its incrediblly weird flavour (burnt wire? medicine? peat? crazy mixed shit?). So asked the barman to pour me some of that peat base which was then Ardbeg. Within the next weeks ended up in a Islay whisky fan club %) and finally fell in love with Laphroag. Well, even when your taste buds die away, you will still be able to TELL IT IS Laphroig.
Another great video guys! I would love it if you would bust out Laphroaig Triple Wood sometime. I am curious to hear your thoughts on it. Keep up the good work!
I recently had the chance to try Laphroaig 30 as a part of a Laphroaig tasting and to me it was hands down better than anything I have tried from them.
Tried Laphroaig for the first time today and the first thing I though of when I took a whiff of it was smoked salmon and the taste was campfire and medicinals, maybe some of that nutty black coffee that's maybe been burnt just slightly but I love it and I can't explain why
Couldn't have said it better.
Reasonably new to whiskey and just tried Laphroig today. Tastes like salty old used water :( Guess i cant have this one neat yet. Will try again in a few years :P
My one thing: Booker's. Purchase every batch and love them all!
I'm only 19 so just starting out in the whiskey world. I started with monkey shoulder and it didn't do much for me, was super hard to pick out any flavours. Went to a bar one time and have heard about Laphroaig and decided to order a glass. Fell in love with the first sip, clear distinct smoky taste that reminded me of camping trips I used to do by the river when I was a child. Laphroaig Four Oak and the Lagavulin 16 are my go to whiskeys now!
Monkey Shoulder is no where near Laphroaig...you did a great decision to move on
The first time I tried Laphroaig, I knew I made a good choice. Apparently I was one of the few that can start their whisky journey with a punch in the mouth and enjoy the hell out of it! I recently picked up some Ardbeg 10 due to the raving of a friend, and while I like it very much, it's just not Laphroaig. My next 2 specials whisky purchases will be a bottle of Lore, and a bottle of Lagavulin 16 because Ron Swanson is a great man.
Try the Offerman edition Lagavulin 11. It’s finished in Guinness casks!
Nice review Dave!!
Oh the outtro I loved it lol 😂
4:10 to get to the whisky hahaha Great video guys
Dear Rex and Daniel,
Thank you, Thank You, Thank you for your channel. I have learned so much from your banter and conversations. I found out about 9 months ago that my wife was pregnant with a little girl. My wife is of Scottish descent (Campbell) and I am of Irish descent. We searched for a good, Scottish girls name and came up with Isla (for Islay) and Clare (for County Clare, Ireland). At her baby shower, I bought a bottle of Laphroaig Quarter Cask on your recommendation to share with the guys there and I’m hooked on Islay Whisky. One thing is, I don’t care for Lagavulin 16. All I taste is cheap barbecue sauce. I think it’s the relationship between the sherry and smoke. Is there any whiskey/whiskey that you want to love but you can’t get over a certain taste or aspect? Thanks again for your channel. Your dedicated subscriber and soon to be magnificent bastard,
Ken Adams
Savannah, GA
This is the Episode!! It has all come together.
Great episode - although I always marvel at the tragic shortsightedness of the Ardbeg vs. Laphroaig battle. My cabinet is never without BOTH! #slainthe
I’m watching back through some of your videos. I agree with you about not drinking whiskey while eating. I can’t even have a drink right after eating. It messes up the flavors for me
A few days ago had a Laphroaig 10.. The bartender looked and me with a glorious grin that said thank you and gave a generous pour. During the glass which was enjoyable, I was reminded of a thick charred and rare steak. Was glorious, as I am a heavy cigar smoker with a questionable pallet, the whisky was fantastic. Heading to the store on payday to pick up a few bottles. Newish to whisky/ey and my go to so far are ryes...
This just blew my mind. Was side by side tasting Lore and Uigeadail…. After I tasted each a couple time I decided I preferred the Ardbeg.
However, there was only about a quarter shot of the Uige left so I threw it in w about 3/4-1oz of Lore. WOW! 🔥
One nice thing about living in Arizona is I can get a bottle of Laphoaig 10 for $30. I always have a bottle of it at my home. Recently traveled to Edinburgh and decided to give Lore a try and holy crap was it amazing. I noticed there was less iodine too which was a pleasant change for me. Good choice Daniel.
God damnit I love these guys
Just tried the Laphroaig 10 today. I dig it
It's amazing that Islay differs so much between three distilleries that are less than a mile apart.
Hahaha rex singing the pokemon theme song at the end 🤣 whisk(e)y som gotta catch em all..
Never thought I'd enjoy drinking a tire fire but laphroaig 10 proved me wrong. I'm usually bigger on Irish or lighter less smoky scotch but I have no regrets buying this bottle.
I'm with Daniel, non age statement whiskey can be amazing, Talisker skye is one of my absolute favourites. And cheaper than the 10 year old.
I am a huge fan of Laphroaig, however I have also done several head to head comparisons between Laphroaig and Ardbeg and always end up coming back to Ardbeg. Again I enjoy both but Ardbeg is my go to Islay. Yes that includes Lagavulin.
Ah...that's why I enjoy listening to Rex and Daniel.
These endings are priceless, please catch em all ;D
I just tried laphroaig 10 my first islay and I wanted so bad to like it. I don’t hate it, I just couldn’t get past the Smokey brine. Also tried my first sherry cask, 15 year single barrel balvenie. And it was good. Super dark fruit and oak spices. I’ll have to keep going back to that laphroaig 10 as I progress.
Well shit, I always thought I was just an extroverted introvert! This makes much more sense!
Hey guys. Love the channel. Trying Laphroaig for the first time as I’m watching this video. Been on a whiskey journey for about 3 weeks. So far my favorite has been highland park 12. However, I am really loving Laphroaig as well.
Here is what I have tried so far:
Highland park 12
Buffalo trace
Glenfiddich 12
Glenlivet 12
Macallan 12
Monkey shoulder
Vat 69
Jameson’s
Laphroaig 10
Johnny walker double black
I also have a bottle of macallan double cask I have not opened yet.
Tell Rex to stop with the black coffee comparisons. I hate black coffee but adjusted to Laphroaig right away. I thought you said that this was super aggressive? So where do you think I am? Intermediate. Beginner, etc?
Really spooky. I poured a glass of Laphroaig 10 before starting UA-cam to watch today's episode. I guess there must be a whisky spirit doing it's thing.
Daniel, you and I are on the same page. I'm the same way - I read the room, find the person I connect with, and then you can't get me to shut up. We bring our soap boxes everywhere...
Holy crap.. So much to unpack...
No Lore did not convert me.. In fact Daniels insistance that it was Laphroaigs Dark Cove made it even worse .. It's not Dark Cove.. It's trying to be Ardbeg...
I was disappointed.. Severely.. Because my expectations were so high... Now that I know what it is and now that it's had a few months open in the bottle to evaporate... It's OK. But I still prefer Ardbeg.. Cause why drink something inferior..? But I forgive you Daniel.. You can't be perfect.... At least your better than Rex.. 😝
Convince Christina to leave ardbeg? Aaaaaahahahahahahahahaahah!!! *gasps for air* Aaaaahahahahahahahhhahhaha!!!!!
I really enjoyed lore, but yeah, it sits in the shadow of dark cove.
i dont know that blasphemy is pushing me towards moochdom....
@@meesternibbles you say very few things I ever agree with... This is one of them
Christina, I'm raising a dram od Twenty Something in your name.
PS: Still waiting for my ceremonial robe
#notacult
@@thekillerirish DON'T DO IT!
Daniel & Rex - would love an episode (or at least a rambling monologue) from the 2 of you on 5 whiskeys that you ALWAYS have in your cabinet @ home. Maybe Rex just has empty Glasses with which to mooch?
Singing the Pokémon theme on the way out as "whiskysom" might be the best example of this channel for someone who has never seen it and takes whiskey too seriously. 😂
On my 3rd bottle of Lore. Best damn liquid bottled. I live in Utah and pick up a bottle every time I am in California. Daniel, you're dead on about lore making you switch teams from Ardbeg. This did it for me.
The pokemon song at the end tho 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Regarding the oiliness you guys were talking about in Ardbeg in coke vs Laphroaig in coke, and how Laphroaig doesn’t hold up as much. I think it’s due to Laphroaig being chill filtered
Our courage will push us through. You teach me and I’ll teach you. Whiskémon.
Hey guys, recently finding your channel. I'm a big whiskey fan and Laphroaig is one of my favorites. I wanted to know if anyone in the community had some suggestions for another good heavily peted whiskey?
Hell yah cocktails for dinner. Love an old fashioned and ribeye.
I love laphroaig, best single malt whisky I’ve had. Not sure why people find it aggressive, it goes down much smoother than things like lagavulin or macallan
Great Laphroaig 10 tip. Add a couple of drops of Laphroaig 10 to a shit whiskey and it will taste like Laphroaig 10 light. I just added it to beam’s 8 Star, which is total bottom shelf, and it’s Laphroaig light!
I'll have to try the Lore if I can ever find it here. I like the general "idea" that Laphroaig goes for flavor-wise; the bright smoke and sweetness (that didn't come from a special finish) are pretty unique. But I just can't get behind that suuuper-intense iodine on the finish (even if a lot of folks shit on me for considering that an "off note"). The Quarter-Cask is a huge step in the right direction, thinking the Lore might be the Laphroaig experience that's most right for me from what I'm hearing.
I'm hoping you review the "White Walker" scotch. Johnnie Walker partnered with HBO and Game of Thrones to make it. They are also making Game of Thrones Single Malts. "The eight additional whiskys are selected single malts, from Talisker to Cardhu to Lagavulin and more, dressed in house labels (and one, the Oban Bay Reserve, in a black bottle with Night’s Watch label) and with a range of prices. They’ll be released over the coming months." I'm nerding out over this.
I first tried Laphroaig after drinking Peat Monster (which is a young Laphroaig). Found the former wasn disappointing smooth, thin, and tame.
I've noticed that at the end of the toast, the scene cuts from the toast to another static screen before you actually drink the whiskey. Do you actually drink the whiskey after the toast?
What are the dos and does nots? I just stared drinking bourbon and want to make sure I'm doing the right things.
What's your thoughts of whiskeys being stale in restaurants and bars
I enjoyed Lore very much and it somhow remined me of an ardbeg. Then i tried ardbeg in comparison and realized ardbeg's ardbeg and laphroaig's laphroaig.
I just got my first bottle. It is like a burnt down fish shack on the beach, with sore throat spray.
Oh man, you guys GOTTA be talking about Blair's Mega death Hot Sauce... Waaaaaaaaaaaay back when I was a child in the early aughts, me and my friends would have LAN parties with Halo 1 where we'd "initiate" people with the hotsauce, having them cover an entire slice of pizza and down it.
We built an incredible tolerance to that stuff.
Just bought and tasted laphroig 10 today for the first time, I get smoke, medicinal, grassiness, and paint from school art class
Rex singing is everything.
O my god I love this video😂😂😂
Daniel is a member of the Cult of Ardbeg too. Dark Cove. ‘Nuf said. Worship at the feet of our high priestess and savior Daniel. Worship!
Dark Cove is the best
It tastes like Latakia pipe tobacco, or dunhill mixture 965 pipe tobacco in both smell and taste. I might like Laphroaig 10 more if I paired it with that tobacco.
Do you have a full version of the closing song?
Whiskey mooch! Gonna drink em all. It's you and us, I know it's our destiny.
WhiskeyMooch Oh, you're our mentor in a world we must defend... gotta drink me all WhiskeyMooch!
Rhythms are hard... its snowing on Mt.fuji
AH! I truly am an introvert. I only do this to 2 or 3 of my friends and talk non-stop only to them
laphroaig 10 vs lagavulin 16 please? lol
Good show Gents, Cheerio!
The hot sauce was the Bomb!
Awhile back I went to the liquor store to buy my friend a a bottle of scotch for his birthday. I had seen Dewars in his house, so I thought I'd buy him something different and blindly grabbed Laphroaig 10 because it said Scotch on it. I figured it would be an upgrade since it cost a little more than Dewars and he would really appreciate it, but I don't know Jack about scotch. We poured a couple of glasses and spent the rest of the night trying to figure out what happened to that bottle of scotch.
The theories ranged from.."maybe it sat on the shelf too long" or, "maybe it got tampered with at the loading docks" to, "maybe a painter accidentally spilled turpentine into this vat back at the distillery." I still don't get it, but to each their own.
When I make a bourbon old fashioned I substitute the bitters for a splash of Laphroaig and it’s incredible. Has anyone else ever tried this?
Ok, is it really a good thing for distillery to be so prolific in creating many lineups of non age statement whiak(e)ys? Or should there be a happy medium of NAS and age statements. Either way I'm happy as long as they don't start producing wine coolers. I think I would have to check my eyes if I ever saw Laphroig Berrylicious. Cheers!
I ordered a bottle of whisky this weekend that i need to pick up and i want to go in to more smoky whisky's for another bottle : Wich 1 should i get : Laphroaig 10, Ardbeg 10 , Coal ila 12 or Lagavulin 16yr or anyone else got a better recommendation ? ty ;)
I'm into some Lore tonight. A good neat pour in my 7 Pot youtube channel coffee cup. I'm growing Chocolate Habenero plants. I get the chocolate cherry. The candy with the cherry in the case of chocolate. Then quid ink, kelp maybe. Yumm.
Cheers. The UIGEADAIL next to me however is just an experience of my head in slow motion being shuved into my outdoor smoker grill just as a steak was being laid on the grill. Face into the ash but starts off with the smell of the steak that grazes my nose as I go face in;Slow motion. I love it. I buy a bottle and drink it guys.
Yummy this Lore. Oooooooooowwwwww;sogood.
Laphroaig was my first sip and I hated it. I went through a bottle of Woodford Reserve, then Monkey Shoulder, then Highland Park 12 Viking and found them all decent enough. I tried Laphroaig again a few months after the first time....and it blew my mind and tastebuds away. Now Im wanting to try Lore, but I still havent tried Ardbeg 10 yet, and I hear thats also a really good one. Ive had a few bottles of Lagavulin 10 in the interim, and while I do love it, Laphroaig 10 just 'does it' a little more for me than Laga did.
yes the mooch must catch'em all !!!
INTP and proud 👍🏼
I started my Islay journey with Ardbeg 10. I drank it, but never loved it. I bought a bottle of Lore and I've been in love since the first taste. Sorry Zirpoli. #sorrynotsorry
I'm sorry you don't love perfection.. 😉
To me Laphroaig 10 reminds me and taste like a band-aid smells. But I keep going back to it, like a wound that won't heal. LOL
I just started drinking some bourbon and you guys are scaring me off of trying any scotch with this band-Aid talk
Scotch malt is pure barley and as varied as anything. Subtle caramels and fruit and florals in the Lowland and Speysides. Start with an unpeated malt, and when you want to adventure onwards, try something like a Laphroaig Select for an intro to the smoke and phenols. Sip as small as you can. Smell it for a while and let it sit in the glass before your first sip.
I’m with you Daniel. I order my scotch as a cocktail prior to eating. Then water with dinner and then scotch for dessert. I don’t like food competing for the taste of my scotch. (Edit) Although the smell of my husbands pipe smoke the other night while sipping my Clynelish 14 was amazing. And watching Rex be so polite and subdued is a bit unnerving....kinda like when your parents were so beyond mad they didn’t even yell, they just got super quiet and sent you to your room....😳
A R Old Fashioned before supper and. Good Red Wine with supper and more bourbon after
First time I tried laphroig was at a bar and a friend standing about a foot to my left said “Dear God! What did you order? I can smell the peat from here!”
It was glorious
Only watching in 2023 as just started into peated whisky. Initially was intimidated by Laphroaig/Ardberg due to the descriptions of smoky and campfire. But its great! To me it smells like iodine when opening the cork, barbequed meats on the nose, grassy and still slightly like barbequed meats on the palate. As a beginner, should definitely try something like benromach before trying this.