The power of uproar isn't in the trading. It's in denying creeps. You get it when they are trying to push you out of lane so you can save a couple stacks and start denying them so you get a level advantage and then you can turn around and trample all over them.
I really like the playstyle on PB. My biggest problem is that I always feel like I fall off pretty damn hard when the game goes 25+ minutes. Unless I stomp hard in the early game I always feel like wet noodle in the late game. But damn the hero is fun!
After 15min mark you slow down the game and get your item after that you can ask for smoke to gank then after win or lose fight farm more means farm creeps push sidelanes not jungle then repeat
As a general rule for cores, the bare minimum you should aim for at minute 10 is 60 CS. 120 for minute 15, 200 for minute 20. Potentially higher if you're a core with innate farming abilities. You will improve a lot as a core player if you start watching your CS like a hawk and start putting everything you have into reaching those targets since you will quickly start to notice all the bad habits you have that keep you from reaching them.
@@fcarr101yeah its a standart when supports make 5-10 stacks till 12-14 min, even more than 200 when free lane and more stacks, but supps will never stack in mm so 200 is rare if you not naga/gyro/tb
What sells BSJ so well is that he doesn't give examples from pro plays! But rather uses his own replays and normal matches to give relevant advice and examples. We low level pubs can never hope to achieve team synergies, drafts, mechanical skills and timings of the real pros. So its really crucial that we get an advice that's down to earth.
I love the fact that BSJ gives better advices and normal match replay examples, than commenting a pro match like gameleap where its not applicable to the pub games. And its free, keep up the good work myan.
on all gameleap videos, speed is analyzing a replay that a certain pro player or player did something very well and then comes in saying "its absolutely brokeen" which is not comparable at all with the reality, with the pubs of the average mmr player base which is 2-4k so you can say speed is very subjective. I always watch BSJ and BSJ is the best, has great logic and seems objective.
To add to this, speed is the type of content creator who values quantity over quality, while I'm not gonna knock down his hustle, it does knock down the quality of his videos too much. Quality content really takes time and I'm glad BSJ takes the time to upload videos like these instead of pumping them out everyday.
@@zaslayerNgl, from watching BSJ & another great dota 2 analyst youtuber ZQuixotic with his "Whose fault is it" series actually improves my macro & decision making quite a bit, than it did with the free gameleap/proguides lesson in YT. They both shares some insight & some low bracket mistakes that were preventable & gave what you should do instead, while the lessons can be applicable to that bracket.
Hi, played Primal Beast here a several times, let me just give some additional tips in abusing his kit when playing him: 1. Primal beast's kit rotates around his Trample, even in the early phase REALLY matters when would you use it; use trample when the melee carry tries to farm; use trample to pressure with onslaught; and use trample when trying to farm. 2. Rush Phase Boots + Vanguard + Blade Mail, you'll need resistances instead of health in the first 20 minutes. 3. Early game is easier when you have a Blood Grenade when committing to a kill. 4. Playing against mages like zeus, rubick, and lina? Go Teardrop, will always save you from a burst damage 100%.
Please start using recorded VoD rather than the twitch VoD for higher bitrate. If you already are, you can upsample the video to 1440p to get even higher bitrate. It really helps in Dota.
Put yourself in there, don't be a pussy. ~BSJ As always, thank you for your wise words Brian. Seriously though, thanks for this. I tried PB when he came out and it was good, but I didn't keep it up and I've been hoping for a guide for a while, now that he's relevant again.
I would just build to be tanky and prioritize using your ult on their carry during BKB. Its 2.3s of a BKBs 6 second duration so you're effectively limiting 1/2 of its effectivness.
Forgot to add the lvl 25 talent doubles the duration so its really 4.6seconds super late. Alot of carries rely heavily on their BKBs so essentially removing it is a huge advantage
Primal beast found me in low prio queue, together in the pits we jammed out together and slammed fools. This dude let’s me channel my gamer RAGE like no other
So this patch i have 25 games on PB with 80% winrate, and my game plan was quite simple and similar every game. Level 1 i always go uproar. The reason being: free +6 damage and 10+ damage for every 50 damage till 50 stacked damage. That super huge for laning and i mostly use it to out cs the opponent easy. No point in going first spell, since u still sit on the lane lvl1 and i just control the range with my tankyness and my huge dmg. Then i max trample and go 1 point in onslaught for controlling runes and disengaging of course. Next every game after default items i rush blademail into tarasque. Basically w or l depends on the timing of tarasque. If the timing is good - i win, timing bad - having some troubles. And of course are also important - against ursa, aa, some hp percent based damage, again, some troubles. The game just kinda ends from this point. One thing i wouldve changed, is probably going bkb instead on some hard games, where bkb allow me to fight, while tarasque doesnt.
BSJ pls tell us how tf do you deal with the new OD. I tried nullifier but it doesn't remove the new shield. The Orb is pure damage, the ulti is a ton of magic. What can one do against such disgusting characters? Do I need to buy diffu to burn his mana, bkb to survive his ult and and orchid to prevent his stupid prison? Like how the hell do you play against it. The whole concept is so weird I can't find any answer to it and it's picking up rapidly in the midlane.
PB is easily my favourite hero, both design wise, gameplay wise AND aesthetically. But goddamn I cannot for the life of me get him to work in this patch. Everyone keeps telling me he's busted but I find myself having low impact regularly.
As a 10 yr old BSJ Twitch sub, the thing that drives me nuts about his edited UA-cam content is he always has the notifications to grab guild quests.. On his own guild!
Hey guys, can anybody suggest a way for me to understand lane match ups? I came back to dota from a long break and most heroes in the meta are different and I don’t know who beats who in lane now and need some help, I know it’s not always simple, but sometimes I want to try and overpower my lane and try to win game, is there any site or guide for that?
Last thing you want as an offlaner is a tanky suport that can only harass if also pushes wave and takes a bunch of space!! 😤 I think it better as 5 with aura item build when your 2/3 picks another hard carry ,😉😊😏
@@ayaalnovgorodov8619 he's a very strong counter ganker. Doesnt need items except boots and windlace. Trades well due to high hp. Trample is used to harass heroes, not creeps.
I haven't played for 2 years got to play again RIP NAIX. About PB though Had few games and did really well. Did not expect to do well offline and mid with an unfamiliar hero. Didn't know he's a viable mid had picked offlane yet someone picked BD and said go mid PB.
Pretty sim ple. Once u have pulverize, u immediately start ganking lanes and keep the momentum. That cooldown on pulverize is insane, not to mention it pierces debuff immunity. This guy gonna get nerfed in the future.
The worst thing about all those tutorials of above 7k mmr players that all this doesn't work in 2k mmr pubs cuz there's NO TEAMPLAY in basic. Instead of playing around CS in lanes and making predictable movements, splitting farm and interacting around tatgets and objectives, theres is just fucking hybrid of circus, survival, consyant poinless fighting and just buttonmashing. Lower MMRs are playing only around creeps and orderlessly throwing skills on enemies. Higher are around self-obsession and ego. And all those rules just START to work at immortals, where you have tosonehow climb to. And all players say that the best way to make it is being exceptionally good on just a few heroes up to three which you will spam until you'll an immortal. And mepersinally never found any, cuz my beloved trio of Terrorblade, Ember Spirit and Aec Warden is mostly ABSOLUTELY unplayable at guardians/crusaders with any constant high winrate, so I have to abuse very specifuc meta and playstyle to climb up just to boost up my MMR, while EVERY attempt of playing by high mmr guides ends up with losing few hundreds MMR every time. In my opinion it's the worst thing in DotA.
Like BSJ is telling about low cooldowns and ability to be constantly online in game, but in low brackets that works the opposite - you're starting fights so much faster than your average teammates can react in any way and you just end up having feeding the enemy team and get flamed by your team's brilliant minds of this game every single game. So you have to adopt the lowskill meta where the most winning heroes are those which are the most possibly survive chaotic teamfights in late game. The sad truth of crusader/archon pubs where the difference is just how often people push their buttons togher, and the only difference from guardian/herald is the word "together".
I second 🥈 this .. under 2k he gets to a point where he doesn't win team fights by himself and depends almost entirely on his team .. this why I don't play the animal mid nemore 😳😭😭
The power of uproar isn't in the trading. It's in denying creeps. You get it when they are trying to push you out of lane so you can save a couple stacks and start denying them so you get a level advantage and then you can turn around and trample all over them.
I really like the playstyle on PB. My biggest problem is that I always feel like I fall off pretty damn hard when the game goes 25+ minutes. Unless I stomp hard in the early game I always feel like wet noodle in the late game. But damn the hero is fun!
Just buy hex
After 15min mark you slow down the game and get your item after that you can ask for smoke to gank then after win or lose fight farm more means farm creeps push sidelanes not jungle then repeat
maybe you don't farm enough and only involve yourself in fights
I wish that I could also consider 3 kills and 50 cs at 10 minutes to be "not having the best game"
10 min only 50 cs is not good bro, forget the kills, focus on cs
As a general rule for cores, the bare minimum you should aim for at minute 10 is 60 CS. 120 for minute 15, 200 for minute 20. Potentially higher if you're a core with innate farming abilities. You will improve a lot as a core player if you start watching your CS like a hawk and start putting everything you have into reaching those targets since you will quickly start to notice all the bad habits you have that keep you from reaching them.
@@Colopty200 @ 20 is well past bare minimum, the average at 20 is 120-140 across a lot of brackets.
Carry having 200 cs at 20 should be standard tho
@@fcarr101yeah its a standart when supports make 5-10 stacks till 12-14 min, even more than 200 when free lane and more stacks, but supps will never stack in mm so 200 is rare if you not naga/gyro/tb
theres nothing quite as satisfying as smashing that little quacker into the ground with your ult
What sells BSJ so well is that he doesn't give examples from pro plays! But rather uses his own replays and normal matches to give relevant advice and examples.
We low level pubs can never hope to achieve team synergies, drafts, mechanical skills and timings of the real pros. So its really crucial that we get an advice that's down to earth.
I love the fact that BSJ gives better advices and normal match replay examples, than commenting a pro match like gameleap where its not applicable to the pub games. And its free, keep up the good work myan.
on all gameleap videos, speed is analyzing a replay that a certain pro player or player did something very well and then comes in saying "its absolutely brokeen" which is not comparable at all with the reality, with the pubs of the average mmr player base which is 2-4k so you can say speed is very subjective. I always watch BSJ and BSJ is the best, has great logic and seems objective.
I commented basically this on every single GL video for a few months. I stopped and the very next video was guess the rank.
To add to this, speed is the type of content creator who values quantity over quality, while I'm not gonna knock down his hustle, it does knock down the quality of his videos too much. Quality content really takes time and I'm glad BSJ takes the time to upload videos like these instead of pumping them out everyday.
@@zaslayerNgl, from watching BSJ & another great dota 2 analyst youtuber ZQuixotic with his "Whose fault is it" series actually improves my macro & decision making quite a bit, than it did with the free gameleap/proguides lesson in YT.
They both shares some insight & some low bracket mistakes that were preventable & gave what you should do instead, while the lessons can be applicable to that bracket.
Eh I watch gameleap for the meme builds and the insights, it’s a different style of insights tho
Hi, played Primal Beast here a several times, let me just give some additional tips in abusing his kit when playing him:
1. Primal beast's kit rotates around his Trample, even in the early phase REALLY matters when would you use it; use trample when the melee carry tries to farm; use trample to pressure with onslaught; and use trample when trying to farm.
2. Rush Phase Boots + Vanguard + Blade Mail, you'll need resistances instead of health in the first 20 minutes.
3. Early game is easier when you have a Blood Grenade when committing to a kill.
4. Playing against mages like zeus, rubick, and lina? Go Teardrop, will always save you from a burst damage 100%.
Please start using recorded VoD rather than the twitch VoD for higher bitrate. If you already are, you can upsample the video to 1440p to get even higher bitrate. It really helps in Dota.
15:07 should be all-chat voiceline
Favorite hero ever. I've been hard shredding enemy carries at 60 mins+ with BM, Heart, Aghs, K&S and Shiva
Put yourself in there, don't be a pussy. ~BSJ
As always, thank you for your wise words Brian.
Seriously though, thanks for this. I tried PB when he came out and it was good, but I didn't keep it up and I've been hoping for a guide for a while, now that he's relevant again.
The hard part about this is it lose its late game potential. Solo queue in a not so high rank tend to overextend games
I would just build to be tanky and prioritize using your ult on their carry during BKB. Its 2.3s of a BKBs 6 second duration so you're effectively limiting 1/2 of its effectivness.
Forgot to add the lvl 25 talent doubles the duration so its really 4.6seconds super late. Alot of carries rely heavily on their BKBs so essentially removing it is a huge advantage
Primal beast found me in low prio queue, together in the pits we jammed out together and slammed fools. This dude let’s me channel my gamer RAGE like no other
It's always a pleasant surprise to find a new favorite hero in low priority
I've never tried him... glad to hear he's not as hard to learn as I thought
You'd be suprised how easy he is if you get the hang of his 1st skill aiming & the curving.
Shard Rock ability being just a bonus, but not mandatory
When do you decide to not buy dagger on PB but also usual blinkstunners like SK oder Axe?
So this patch i have 25 games on PB with 80% winrate, and my game plan was quite simple and similar every game. Level 1 i always go uproar. The reason being: free +6 damage and 10+ damage for every 50 damage till 50 stacked damage. That super huge for laning and i mostly use it to out cs the opponent easy. No point in going first spell, since u still sit on the lane lvl1 and i just control the range with my tankyness and my huge dmg. Then i max trample and go 1 point in onslaught for controlling runes and disengaging of course. Next every game after default items i rush blademail into tarasque. Basically w or l depends on the timing of tarasque. If the timing is good - i win, timing bad - having some troubles. And of course are also important - against ursa, aa, some hp percent based damage, again, some troubles. The game just kinda ends from this point. One thing i wouldve changed, is probably going bkb instead on some hard games, where bkb allow me to fight, while tarasque doesnt.
"You don't have to be." BSJ, 2023.
okay bro
PRetty much how I play Centaur, one of my favorite heroes to stomp around
I trained him a bunch in turbo mode because i didnt want to grief my ranked games as i definitely didnt know how to use his powers.
I like useing shadow blade on primal because you can cloak into ultimate, it can be fun surprise attack
I feel like new arcane blink would go crazy
Unlimited mana and even MORE mobility
Bsj. "Funnest" isnt a word
You are great, BSJ
guide for arc warden pls
Been playing PB as a pos4 I think I'm like 14 wins 6 losses in divine since battle report reset, great hero
thanks for the guide looking fresh bro. stream ti please!
2:28 120 mana for one cs on a hero that has NIGHTMARISH mana problems is super dumb.
BSJ pls tell us how tf do you deal with the new OD. I tried nullifier but it doesn't remove the new shield. The Orb is pure damage, the ulti is a ton of magic. What can one do against such disgusting characters? Do I need to buy diffu to burn his mana, bkb to survive his ult and and orchid to prevent his stupid prison? Like how the hell do you play against it. The whole concept is so weird I can't find any answer to it and it's picking up rapidly in the midlane.
whatre good support combos with primal just curious?
Skywrath is great, mirana, Lion good too
Great guide again BSJ! Do you think there is an absolute minimum number of games you need to play to learn enough about a hero?
Hmm another hero added to the ban pool
Already lvl 25 on him have been playing for a long time and he is Really good rocking a 63% winrate over 270 games
"Already" lvl 25 but 270 games? ☠😆
@@ijustwantpizzaman i mean idk most people take longer for lvl25
@@UphillHook i dont have any but most of them are around silver or gold now
PB is easily my favourite hero, both design wise, gameplay wise AND aesthetically. But goddamn I cannot for the life of me get him to work in this patch. Everyone keeps telling me he's busted but I find myself having low impact regularly.
As a 10 yr old BSJ Twitch sub, the thing that drives me nuts about his edited UA-cam content is he always has the notifications to grab guild quests.. On his own guild!
T-Rex is meta now
bkb is core, when they have stuns/slows replace BM with lotus and you're chilling
Hey guys, can anybody suggest a way for me to understand lane match ups? I came back to dota from a long break and most heroes in the meta are different and I don’t know who beats who in lane now and need some help, I know it’s not always simple, but sometimes I want to try and overpower my lane and try to win game, is there any site or guide for that?
he's super strong as a 4 support. Why hasn't any pro teams use him as 4? item independent, tanky support that is hard to kill
I think its more that he really benefits from items and rn you want a save from your supports.
The obvious reason is that these pros recognize the hero performs better when it has more gold, i.e. not in lower economy support positions.
Last thing you want as an offlaner is a tanky suport that can only harass if also pushes wave and takes a bunch of space!! 😤
I think it better as 5 with aura item build when your 2/3 picks another hard carry ,😉😊😏
His trample is not a support skill, it pushes lane and farm creeps, his q is high cd, its better as core, right now has a meta build with bm tarasque
@@ayaalnovgorodov8619 he's a very strong counter ganker. Doesnt need items except boots and windlace. Trades well due to high hp. Trample is used to harass heroes, not creeps.
I haven't played for 2 years got to play again
RIP NAIX.
About PB though Had few games and did really well.
Did not expect to do well offline and mid with an unfamiliar hero.
Didn't know he's a viable mid had picked offlane yet someone picked BD and said go mid PB.
Pretty sim ple. Once u have pulverize, u immediately start ganking lanes and keep the momentum. That cooldown on pulverize is insane, not to mention it pierces debuff immunity. This guy gonna get nerfed in the future.
The worst thing about all those tutorials of above 7k mmr players that all this doesn't work in 2k mmr pubs cuz there's NO TEAMPLAY in basic. Instead of playing around CS in lanes and making predictable movements, splitting farm and interacting around tatgets and objectives, theres is just fucking hybrid of circus, survival, consyant poinless fighting and just buttonmashing. Lower MMRs are playing only around creeps and orderlessly throwing skills on enemies. Higher are around self-obsession and ego. And all those rules just START to work at immortals, where you have tosonehow climb to. And all players say that the best way to make it is being exceptionally good on just a few heroes up to three which you will spam until you'll an immortal. And mepersinally never found any, cuz my beloved trio of Terrorblade, Ember Spirit and Aec Warden is mostly ABSOLUTELY unplayable at guardians/crusaders with any constant high winrate, so I have to abuse very specifuc meta and playstyle to climb up just to boost up my MMR, while EVERY attempt of playing by high mmr guides ends up with losing few hundreds MMR every time.
In my opinion it's the worst thing in DotA.
Like BSJ is telling about low cooldowns and ability to be constantly online in game, but in low brackets that works the opposite - you're starting fights so much faster than your average teammates can react in any way and you just end up having feeding the enemy team and get flamed by your team's brilliant minds of this game every single game. So you have to adopt the lowskill meta where the most winning heroes are those which are the most possibly survive chaotic teamfights in late game. The sad truth of crusader/archon pubs where the difference is just how often people push their buttons togher, and the only difference from guardian/herald is the word "together".
If i play offmap in Legend bracket. I will be reported for sure.
picking PB after this.
One of the funnest? What is that
I hate Primal Beast. Hate playing as him, hate playing against him.
"I'm not having the best game"
Has 50 creep kills and 3 hero kills at 10 mins.
God damn
666 XPM 👁💀
i think you forgot to add this video to the "hero guides" playlist
I've been planning to pick this hero and check.him out and this video drops ❤
🎉
upwoar uwu
This hero is too bad in this meta, maybe it works at 9k but at 2k is very different story.
I second 🥈 this .. under 2k he gets to a point where he doesn't win team fights by himself and depends almost entirely on his team .. this why I don't play the animal mid nemore 😳😭😭
Idk I win every game whit him around that bracket now 3k just need to get betee
Been wrecking with him in 1k lol