Man the editing in this is amazing. The tooltips being shown, then faded between them back and forth as he is talking about them. Then the quick ones like the Meepo and CM jokes, and the facet names and explanations overlaid. I hope the editing keeps up because it elevates this higher than Jenkins shoulder press PRs.
Jenkins, you're totally wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, is really good!
I've played maybe 20 visage games in low immortal, the hero is incredibily strong because of so many shadow buffs noone knows about apparently. You can now recall birds like a bear, which means that tp boots and tping around in general are much better. Familiars can cast stone form even while stunned, and this really saves you against aoe control, for example one game I was blink echoed but my familiars still interrupted the fissure. Also familiars are leveled up automatically without resummoning them. the only problem is his incapability to do dmg and survive if most lanes are lost. You dont farm fast and trying to splitpush vs heroes that have already finished their timings, maybe a blink or bkb or orchid etc.. becomes impossible. also he's kinda bad in 2 v 1 scenarios, you can only go for solo kills. The Q facet is amazing, considering most times you would use it on a wave or a creep camp you hit between 2 and 4 more targets, which means you Q is always 50% better than before at least. the speed buff is espcially relevant.
I disagree with not farming fast... If you are decent at micro, you can send your familiars to mid lane and get last hits there while grave chilling camps in jungle (not griefing your carry in the process). Most of the time I opt for Vlads/Aghs so when there's an encounter, I back out, heal up on a camp or 2, then Silent Grave to get a pick off while theyre still low. It works wonders...
I can't believe having double jump facet and a few buffs shot Pango not just back up into viability but also top tier when he was in the shitter after being nerfed so hard into the ground patches ago.
I still don't get the Echo Sabre Pango build, it just seems so whatever. Double Jump feels great during the laning phase but after it it feels like a dead facet compared to how damn good Thunderbolt feels during late game teamfights, especially not doing Diffu anymore, I can't chase anyone during early rotations without it, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
@arkaua the initial hit of swashbuckle procs echo but doesn't place it on cd, so you can swashbuckle, then hit with echo after, then double jump. With attack damage scaling due to all his spells having attack damage components now, he's putting universal items like aghs to good use. The aghs swashbuckle in the roll also procs echo, so it's an all around good item for him. Gives him mana pool and regen, valuable stats.
Thank you, thank you so much for making this video. I am currently redoing the All Hero Challenge and couldn't figure out QOP. It took me 9 games and I usually am decent with her. The secret is to go for the damage talent. The spell reflection isn't so bad when compared to the bonus amplification. I noticed the spell lifesteal isn't that great to warrant being so close to the enemy heroes. With QOP, your survivability comes from having lots of fast burst damage and being able to escape quickly. I think more people will play with that facet in the coming months.
Masochist QoP is actually very powerful, when you go Kaya first people just do not expect how much burst you can do with 25% Spell Amplification(might even get lucky with early spell amp neutral), your E starts one shotting waves, R does even more insane damage. It snowballs from there pretty early on. Does it work every match? Hell no. But it's definitely not shit tier. It's not so bad late game either I've got couple games with Masochist QoP I won after 60 minutes. Ideally you want Dagon 5, Refresher, a Kaya variant, Hex. It provides insane amount of control with 2x hex and crazy AoE damage. In fact some games you can even go Agha+Bloodstone and play it as a tanky mid. I would put it at high C personally.
I agree 100% I've been going first item dagon and at level 7 you have around 800 magic damage burst with scream and dagon and also have a aoe 400 pure damage nuke. If you max blink and scream it's pretty easy to snowball as you can kill almost any hero that's not full health. The dagon spell life steal helps to deal with the self damage and you can dagon a neutral creep to instantly kill it and it heals you for over half your health. She does have trouble if you fall behind but I don't think it's that bad
It has potential, but the problem with that facet is that you cant use your ult with multiple heroes, wich you normaly want. Trying that facet in a turbo game (I know, but i wanted to try it out first) I was 20/7 had bloodstone and still died to my own ult against the entire team
@@joelhaupt1795 i'm not sure what you are talking about. the reflected damage is 20% and just dagon gives you 15% spell lifesteal, you can go demo it right now and use sonic wave on 5 heroes, it will barely do any damage to you as long as you have a spell lifesteal item, whatever was killing you wasn't your own damage reflection
To be fair i was affected by Vessel. But i still think the downside is to big, you have to buy lifesteal to not kill yourself, with 15% lifesteal you can heal almost to full with 1 good ult, or with a good scepter Q. With this facet you get lifesteal to compensate for your own self damage. Like i said, it has potential but i think it needs a little upgrade to make it more viable. Also laining with that facet is a bitch.... On another notice, i recomend buying magic resistance because it reduces the selfdamage of Q and E
The biggest nerf to timbersaw in the latest patch are the changes to reactive armor and lategame that he does not have a second chakram at lvl 25 talent, the talent with tree damage for q is very situational and not good when you push highground or defend highground since there are not that many trees, without the second chakram he does not have enough lategame damage additionally a lot of items he used have just been nerfed (octarine, shroud)
Can confirm, QoP's facets don't seem like they hurt her laning or mid game, but when that late game hits you FEEL them as being negatives and creates an inability to close the game compared to other mids in the tier list.
I would also like to add how, say, “A-S” is Pugna. Her talent with 25% healing from the ward + blast, which both controls heroes and towers, will help you quickly demolish the tower and make a quick gank on the 6th.
Wait, since when does QoP have 2 facets with downsides? I'm pretty sure the first facet just gives you spell lifesteal with no drawbacks. Hell, I just checked and I'm not seeing any negatives to it other than the fact you need to be up close to increase the lifesteal, but you still get a respectable amount from ranged. It's not a great facet, but by no means a Bristleback type situation.
@@ondrakostka2 Yeah but it still an upside, its old qop with spell lifesteal in meele range. Plus its usefull if you have a meele carry hiting you, you can ult them wich pushes them away and heals you
I remember when facet 50AOE increase on Necro, I had heart + Agha + Rad, I got chain CC from enemy and they focus my teammate first then suddenly 1 enemy died from my aura dmg, sadist regen kick-in then snowball into another one and another one, I literally kill entire enemy team while cced for like 5-6 sec. I remember the last one was in fog maybe 1000+ range away from my hero. I know Necro is not powerful/easier to counter/cant do much in fight but he is my safe pick, at least I won't wreck early game.
I played qop vs sf and it was indeeds hitty experience but how is pango in A tier? How does he imagine Pango midlaning vs SF ? He gets close - he gets coiled, he gets slowed, he dies. Whats the point ?
I actually do think RRP is not bad against save lineups. Push the target into team, push oracle/sd etc away and stun them, kill the isolated core. I also did see saberlight use it to decent success in one of the bald qualifiers against a lifestealer, he would get pushed too far from creeps and allies to get infest off when he got rp’d in lane.
As a Visage player I will never even consider trying that facet... If they wanted to make an easy-to-play facet on complx 3 hero, they should've just swaped ult for a new simpler spell. Very bad design
im sad bcs there is no rubick. He became good laner overall, good damage scaling with level, good counter aggression, with ulti he gets extra good because of all the facets. Even his win rate went above 50% once(first time in the rubick history btw). But he heavily depends good skills still and needs skilled player. I wouldnt put him S tier but he is solid A-B tier. Even if you didnt win, rubick is so much fun hero to play new facets you can choose depending on enemy pick (not a lot of aoe skills go for mana, if not otherwise) spell amp gives him base attack damage (1% spell amp = 1% base damage) if your opponent is really hard to telekinesis under tower, get passive and outharass him and get all the creeps. some nulls and phylactery worked good for me. experiment depending on enemy pick. bcs of good attack damage you can steal attack damage dependent skills like acorn shot of hoodwink or boundless strike and ulti of MK. Yasha kaya does this skills dirty ^_^ Over all great video, ill take notes for my future games.
Tiny on lvl 6 deals more dmg with toss than lion with ult, with longer range and lower cool down. But I won against a tiny recently as void spirit W maxing but any hero that can punish tiny early will be amazing. And if you can dodge the toss damage somehow you become an instant counter.
QoP masochist spell damage is barely noticeable most of the time. If you grab a early Dagon the spell lifesteal from it almost negates the self damage anyway. I’ve been really enjoying QoP, although it’s probably not as good as the other top tier midlanders. But she feels better than the last couple patches.
Kunkka is goated. My mate refuses to go anything but tidebringer rapier build and it owns... sometimes, not that often, quite rarely, actually, but when it works, its a sight to behold.
Viperrrrrrr IS a straightforward kind of design or boring as you called it but I really enjoy getting to Q key press instead of mouse click it's oddly satisfying. Toggles are old and fun.
I think lesh is a little better. also the 7.36 aoe reduction to q wasn't really a nerf bc of the passive. the q is pretty massive with 1 item that involves the big int item like sheep, windwaker, or arcane blink
Am I missing something? QOP feels very strong right now. The self damage is negligible because you have the spell lifesteal to balance it the other way. You never really deal any actual damage to yourself
jenkins. because of your NP video I now have to play 100 single draft wins... thanks. Even winning most games, team will still report because they are so mad that I proved them wrong and ended solo while the enemies were pushing our hg.
I'm low Div on Aus server so my experience is worth as much as a fleeting drop of piss in the vast ocean but I've been doing Tidebringer Kunkka mid just with like the old builds and honestly it kinda fucks. In the old days there was this hood -> heart build and since there's so much puck and qop and storm going around if you can get kunkka into those matchups you can do Eternal Shroud -> Heart and it FUCKS.
Jenkins, you're really wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse Polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, it's really good!
My girl qop was done dirty 😢 but now she is quite good if you pick masochist, max E and buy dagon (some players at d2pt even tend to max it out before buying any other items) and this build allows you to burst your enemies to death with a ton of damage
I guess the reason why Jenkins didn't include Monkey King, Faceless Void, Sniper, Marci is that they're all carries in mid so imagine they're all probably A tier-ish.
How about monkey king ? where would you place it ? I would argue its S tier, as it dominates all S tier mids listed here, and does not rly have that bad matchups
The best viper I saw is a tank who sits in his puddle with a bunch of auras and gets aghs shard multi dots everyone and just sit in puddles and hope for the best.
Jenkins, if you could I would appreciate some techies mid in the next tier list. Even if you put them in their own tier of not even being real just seeming them on the screen would be appreciated. Cheers
Can’t believe that my boy Ember is finally in S tier. I don’t even remember the time when he was in A tier or higher (except mageslayer 7.35b mistake). I dont think that it’s because of how good gleipnir is right now. His counerpicks are not in the meta, and some of them are not even counterpicks anymore
Jenkins knows jack shit about Invoker, noted. For anyone interested, Invoker Elitist facet is basically just better in every regard, if you are a veteran player, Agnostic comes in play when new/learning/not maining since the bonuses are pasive at all times. Innate gives you free XP, EMP shard is still good, all cooldowns got reduced, is still universal, basically Invoker players are very happy this patch compared to the previous.
He's worse as you can see by the lowered winrate, laning got buffed and everything else nerfed. Agnostic is good if u are vs lone druid as exort or something and the + dmg will let you survive lane.
Grand master invoker I disagree with this alot Agnostic turns into into a lane dominator and a right clicker Very easy to sit in lane with exort and deny creeps with forge spirit with agnostic + bracer / stats, or if you're going wex the added attack speed over MS can really bully certain lanes where you just sit the emp'ing their mana and harassing them with RC's tornado and cold snap Elitest is alot better for rotations or when your team has alot of magic damage (the exort amp works for your whole team not just you) elitest with a parasma is insane, but I don't think one is significantly better than the other at all
Hey jenkins I’m 4k and spam NS mid with 70+% wr nobody talks about NS mid and quite frankly he was broken pre c patch. I hope people would talk about it more
Jenkins, you're totally wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, is really good!(2)
tinker is a great support now. greaves and locket with shield will sustain whole team. heal march will secure retreat paths and would deter enemy heroes from trying to surround you. midas will ensure that you will have great items late game.
Hitting razes is easier than hitting a good ult, and sf is all about his ult now (Mid-late) so in my opinion he's more skillful than before. I get you can blink and bkb and cast it in like, .5 seconds or something with Y&K and 25 talent, but it's not some mindless Viper level of play.
Qop shit tier Jenkins drunk while making this. It's at least A tier. Facet masochist self dmg so that's y people buy dagon to heal back. 1k spell dmg without ulti definitely strong. Just like people use mask madness, take more dmg but it's worth for att spd. I'm not even midlaner but when i have to play mid, i pick qop & it's so ez to play bcoz dmg so high.
Yup strong facet, even just kaya sange is good you blink on people oneshot and if they hit you, they get hit by reflect damage. The facet feels really good to me
I mean those heroes is best heroes for win a game or laning? i mean cause nowadays ppl just pick strong midlaners in laning phase , like OD, dk, lina, huskar and dazzle in C really? they counters ember tiny even TA
Never seen such a hot take on qop, most people think shes one of the best rn, maso + voodoo mask is almost enough to offset the damage you take so then its just a hero with 15% spell amp really early on, seems like a poking kinda meta and she is born to poke as well, even tiny doesnt really do toss avalanche much, he just does 900 damage toss and keeps back to see when he can jump on someone low enough. OD is not a low tier, dk isnt a low tier, ld isn't too bad. Primal is underrated then the rest looks ok. Oh and timber just isn't a mid, you like maxing Q+W on him but you cant use either very effectively on mid lane, gets bullied out by basically any hero if you do that build and if you go armor you kinda offset the benefit of having mid xp cos your burst is about as good as had you stomped the offlane. probably missed some there, not seen any batrider so hard to say for him
Visage is very good pos4 now, with DS. and Ember is extremely good so yes... Pick Visage, don't pick noob talent, control birds, AOE Q is very strong by itself. 20:38 funny I have just played Lesh, DESTROYED Zeus mid at one point almost 2 lvl ahead, still lost the game... it just falls off, and it was PA that would just delete me and I have killed her 2 times.... Umm, now when I think about it, how did she recover? Will watch replay, I remember player was angry he was talking on that other ABC... 22:50 Guys Pengo is pos1 now, read his stuff, just go RAW DMG!!! He is very strong, don't get that, is it 15 talent? When you get stronger, barrier? Just go as much DMG as possible. Well, you have to get AGS and harpoon. I have new ember build, it is still testing in 5-6k, and it works very well, just need more time to ummmm to figure it out the build order. It will get stolen on my main acc for sure, that is what pros fkn do, that's why I hate em :p
Yep, PA is reported...... Why do people are using that only crit stuff? He watches the camp that he is farming and his hero jump by itself on hero and crits 3 times, but it do it smart first blink then slows... mb q was on CD.... Hope next mass ban is coming soon.
I've been spamming Arc and Meepo and they feel super strong right now. I still prefer More Meepos in pubs, but maybe I haven't experimented with Pack Rat enough.
I get it that this was a huge patch but valve needs to change those heroes who got crap facets or moved the old hero style to facet. Similar to the talents patch they should be fixed eventually. They just wanted to change ALL heroes but kind of lazy changes to some heroes.
@@shinmanalo3800 quas exort. Max exort and only skill quas when you can’t, skill quas ONLY to level 4 (double forged), I only start taking wex at level 8-9. Start items are 2 branches, farie fire, 2 circlets, tangos. Then I go wraith band into bracer, skip boots into midas, then pick up brown boots, witch blade, pike, bkb, shard, then the items change depending on the game, sometimes I go aghs refresh, sometimes parasma, sometimes other defense items. all up to you from there.
Man the editing in this is amazing. The tooltips being shown, then faded between them back and forth as he is talking about them. Then the quick ones like the Meepo and CM jokes, and the facet names and explanations overlaid.
I hope the editing keeps up because it elevates this higher than Jenkins shoulder press PRs.
I agree so much that I decided to put this comment with no other content other than simple
Magnus skewering away the tooltip was so good.
I just recently started diving into video editing and seeing stuff like this makes me appreciate it so much more. That shit is hard
@@djpnda-ed1dh yeah it's scary how much goes into even small eduts
doesnt even have the final tier list visible at any moment rofl
Jenkins, you're totally wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, is really good!
I refuse to listen to you, edgelord!
Oh so it’s useful when you are losing
Interesting...
Lmao
Lol 😂
I have to watch these videos 2-3 times to actually understand the tier lists because I always just get lost in Jenkins's eyes
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I've played maybe 20 visage games in low immortal, the hero is incredibily strong because of so many shadow buffs noone knows about apparently. You can now recall birds like a bear, which means that tp boots and tping around in general are much better. Familiars can cast stone form even while stunned, and this really saves you against aoe control, for example one game I was blink echoed but my familiars still interrupted the fissure.
Also familiars are leveled up automatically without resummoning them.
the only problem is his incapability to do dmg and survive if most lanes are lost. You dont farm fast and trying to splitpush vs heroes that have already finished their timings, maybe a blink or bkb or orchid etc.. becomes impossible. also he's kinda bad in 2 v 1 scenarios, you can only go for solo kills.
The Q facet is amazing, considering most times you would use it on a wave or a creep camp you hit between 2 and 4 more targets, which means you Q is always 50% better than before at least. the speed buff is espcially relevant.
I disagree with not farming fast... If you are decent at micro, you can send your familiars to mid lane and get last hits there while grave chilling camps in jungle (not griefing your carry in the process). Most of the time I opt for Vlads/Aghs so when there's an encounter, I back out, heal up on a camp or 2, then Silent Grave to get a pick off while theyre still low. It works wonders...
Birds leveling automatically is a game changer. And recalling birds is just too nice this hero is great
How you recall birds? I played with him today and whenever I TP the birds stayed there
Without my MK mid? This should be illegal Jenkins 😂
Great video! I was surprised to not see Monkey King... thought he was being played more as a mid in high mmr pubs
2:25 Magnus skewering the skewer
I like how we don’t even mention sniper. lol.
I can't believe having double jump facet and a few buffs shot Pango not just back up into viability but also top tier when he was in the shitter after being nerfed so hard into the ground patches ago.
I still don't get the Echo Sabre Pango build, it just seems so whatever. Double Jump feels great during the laning phase but after it it feels like a dead facet compared to how damn good Thunderbolt feels during late game teamfights, especially not doing Diffu anymore, I can't chase anyone during early rotations without it, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
@arkaua the initial hit of swashbuckle procs echo but doesn't place it on cd, so you can swashbuckle, then hit with echo after, then double jump. With attack damage scaling due to all his spells having attack damage components now, he's putting universal items like aghs to good use. The aghs swashbuckle in the roll also procs echo, so it's an all around good item for him. Gives him mana pool and regen, valuable stats.
Thank you, thank you so much for making this video. I am currently redoing the All Hero Challenge and couldn't figure out QOP. It took me 9 games and I usually am decent with her. The secret is to go for the damage talent. The spell reflection isn't so bad when compared to the bonus amplification. I noticed the spell lifesteal isn't that great to warrant being so close to the enemy heroes. With QOP, your survivability comes from having lots of fast burst damage and being able to escape quickly. I think more people will play with that facet in the coming months.
QOP Masochist is very good damage dealer. QOP is very good mid now. Because u dont rely heavily on Sonic Wave. You need spell lifesteal for sustain.
nice edit to the video. kudos to the editor.
i think you missed monkey king, he's really good this patch with simian stride. He also does okay vs tiny and great vs ember
Masochist QoP is actually very powerful, when you go Kaya first people just do not expect how much burst you can do with 25% Spell Amplification(might even get lucky with early spell amp neutral), your E starts one shotting waves, R does even more insane damage. It snowballs from there pretty early on. Does it work every match? Hell no. But it's definitely not shit tier. It's not so bad late game either I've got couple games with Masochist QoP I won after 60 minutes. Ideally you want Dagon 5, Refresher, a Kaya variant, Hex. It provides insane amount of control with 2x hex and crazy AoE damage. In fact some games you can even go Agha+Bloodstone and play it as a tanky mid. I would put it at high C personally.
I agree 100% I've been going first item dagon and at level 7 you have around 800 magic damage burst with scream and dagon and also have a aoe 400 pure damage nuke. If you max blink and scream it's pretty easy to snowball as you can kill almost any hero that's not full health.
The dagon spell life steal helps to deal with the self damage and you can dagon a neutral creep to instantly kill it and it heals you for over half your health. She does have trouble if you fall behind but I don't think it's that bad
It has potential, but the problem with that facet is that you cant use your ult with multiple heroes, wich you normaly want. Trying that facet in a turbo game (I know, but i wanted to try it out first) I was 20/7 had bloodstone and still died to my own ult against the entire team
@@joelhaupt1795 i'm not sure what you are talking about. the reflected damage is 20% and just dagon gives you 15% spell lifesteal, you can go demo it right now and use sonic wave on 5 heroes, it will barely do any damage to you as long as you have a spell lifesteal item, whatever was killing you wasn't your own damage reflection
To be fair i was affected by Vessel.
But i still think the downside is to big, you have to buy lifesteal to not kill yourself, with 15% lifesteal you can heal almost to full with 1 good ult, or with a good scepter Q. With this facet you get lifesteal to compensate for your own self damage. Like i said, it has potential but i think it needs a little upgrade to make it more viable.
Also laining with that facet is a bitch.... On another notice, i recomend buying magic resistance because it reduces the selfdamage of Q and E
After Quinn and Topson mid MK, im surprised Jenkin didnt even cover the broken facet.
Yeah rallye low
The biggest nerf to timbersaw in the latest patch are the changes to reactive armor and lategame that he does not have a second chakram at lvl 25 talent, the talent with tree damage for q is very situational and not good when you push highground or defend highground since there are not that many trees, without the second chakram he does not have enough lategame damage additionally a lot of items he used have just been nerfed (octarine, shroud)
Can confirm, QoP's facets don't seem like they hurt her laning or mid game, but when that late game hits you FEEL them as being negatives and creates an inability to close the game compared to other mids in the tier list.
Jenkis is the GOAT.
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I would also like to add how, say, “A-S” is Pugna. Her talent with 25% healing from the ward + blast, which both controls heroes and towers, will help you quickly demolish the tower and make a quick gank on the 6th.
My man's working hard and slapping these videos up quick! Both you and the editor
Crazy how quick this became outdated. Mid Sand King isn't even in the list, but is played a loooot right now.
Wait, since when does QoP have 2 facets with downsides? I'm pretty sure the first facet just gives you spell lifesteal with no drawbacks.
Hell, I just checked and I'm not seeing any negatives to it other than the fact you need to be up close to increase the lifesteal, but you still get a respectable amount from ranged. It's not a great facet, but by no means a Bristleback type situation.
you have to be in melee
@@ondrakostka2 Yeah but it still an upside, its old qop with spell lifesteal in meele range. Plus its usefull if you have a meele carry hiting you, you can ult them wich pushes them away and heals you
I remember when facet 50AOE increase on Necro, I had heart + Agha + Rad, I got chain CC from enemy and they focus my teammate first then suddenly 1 enemy died from my aura dmg, sadist regen kick-in then snowball into another one and another one, I literally kill entire enemy team while cced for like 5-6 sec. I remember the last one was in fog maybe 1000+ range away from my hero. I know Necro is not powerful/easier to counter/cant do much in fight but he is my safe pick, at least I won't wreck early game.
I played qop vs sf and it was indeeds hitty experience but how is pango in A tier? How does he imagine Pango midlaning vs SF ? He gets close - he gets coiled, he gets slowed, he dies. Whats the point ?
Finally tierlist of my favorite pos from my favorite femboy
I actually do think RRP is not bad against save lineups. Push the target into team, push oracle/sd etc away and stun them, kill the isolated core. I also did see saberlight use it to decent success in one of the bald qualifiers against a lifestealer, he would get pushed too far from creeps and allies to get infest off when he got rp’d in lane.
As a Visage player I will never even consider trying that facet... If they wanted to make an easy-to-play facet on complx 3 hero, they should've just swaped ult for a new simpler spell. Very bad design
im sad bcs there is no rubick. He became good laner overall, good damage scaling with level, good counter aggression, with ulti he gets extra good because of all the facets. Even his win rate went above 50% once(first time in the rubick history btw). But he heavily depends good skills still and needs skilled player. I wouldnt put him S tier but he is solid A-B tier. Even if you didnt win, rubick is so much fun hero to play
new facets you can choose depending on enemy pick (not a lot of aoe skills go for mana, if not otherwise)
spell amp gives him base attack damage (1% spell amp = 1% base damage)
if your opponent is really hard to telekinesis under tower, get passive and outharass him and get all the creeps.
some nulls and phylactery worked good for me. experiment depending on enemy pick.
bcs of good attack damage you can steal attack damage dependent skills like acorn shot of hoodwink or boundless strike and ulti of MK. Yasha kaya does this skills dirty ^_^
Over all great video, ill take notes for my future games.
Can’t wait for heralds to utilise the information that Jenkins explains to them so that we’ll have another banger herald review.
editor is goated , shout out to my guy.
I think the editor guy read last video's comments and toned down the editing a bunch, good job
I think od mid is totally S tier, like I haven't lost a single match with od mid, it's like either he wins the lane, or he doesn't lose it
took me 15 minutes to realize were wearing the same exact shirt so thats cool
Jenkins, stop blowing my father.
This is the last time I ask.
Tiny on lvl 6 deals more dmg with toss than lion with ult, with longer range and lower cool down. But I won against a tiny recently as void spirit W maxing but any hero that can punish tiny early will be amazing. And if you can dodge the toss damage somehow you become an instant counter.
Thank you for letting me form an my opinion on my own role 🤝
GABEN PLEASE TURN OQP TYPE TO UNIVERISAL
QoP masochist spell damage is barely noticeable most of the time. If you grab a early Dagon the spell lifesteal from it almost negates the self damage anyway. I’ve been really enjoying QoP, although it’s probably not as good as the other top tier midlanders. But she feels better than the last couple patches.
Kunkka is goated. My mate refuses to go anything but tidebringer rapier build and it owns... sometimes, not that often, quite rarely, actually, but when it works, its a sight to behold.
I actually hate it and i am sick of it, he lost 15 matches in a row on kunkka and still believes its goated, im losing my mind
Viperrrrrrr IS a straightforward kind of design or boring as you called it but I really enjoy getting to Q key press instead of mouse click it's oddly satisfying. Toggles are old and fun.
I think lesh is a little better. also the 7.36 aoe reduction to q wasn't really a nerf bc of the passive. the q is pretty massive with 1 item that involves the big int item like sheep, windwaker, or arcane blink
I think you forgot to mention monkey king, at least in EU 7-8k pubs theres quite a bit monkeys mid
Am I missing something? QOP feels very strong right now. The self damage is negligible because you have the spell lifesteal to balance it the other way. You never really deal any actual damage to yourself
why don't you do a pos 1 tierlist?
Lycan mid with the spirit wolves has insane damage and scales great.
jenkins. because of your NP video I now have to play 100 single draft wins... thanks. Even winning most games, team will still report because they are so mad that I proved them wrong and ended solo while the enemies were pushing our hg.
can you finally do a carry list please....
It bothers me immensely that 70% of the screen is empty for 2/3rds of the video and the top part of the hero portraits is cut off.
What about sniper Jenkins?
jenkins sorry bud but im one of( im pretty sure the many )that hate the censored clips is there a reason or tos monetization change that requires it ?
Im offlane, plz tell me that you are making an offlane tier list (Underlord still broken with his minions?)
How about Marci mid? I have seen it get some really good stats on dota2protracker in the mid position, but I don't see her at all on this list.
I'm low Div on Aus server so my experience is worth as much as a fleeting drop of piss in the vast ocean but I've been doing Tidebringer Kunkka mid just with like the old builds and honestly it kinda fucks. In the old days there was this hood -> heart build and since there's so much puck and qop and storm going around if you can get kunkka into those matchups you can do Eternal Shroud -> Heart and it FUCKS.
Jenkins, you're really wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse Polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, it's really good!
Midlane tierlist before Crownfall Act III is crazy
My girl qop was done dirty 😢 but now she is quite good if you pick masochist, max E and buy dagon (some players at d2pt even tend to max it out before buying any other items) and this build allows you to burst your enemies to death with a ton of damage
I guess the reason why Jenkins didn't include Monkey King, Faceless Void, Sniper, Marci is that they're all carries in mid so imagine they're all probably A tier-ish.
andrew why dont you return my calls?
How about monkey king ? where would you place it ? I would argue its S tier, as it dominates all S tier mids listed here, and does not rly have that bad matchups
My cousin has been spamming BH mid and its been insanity watching him one shot people with ags lol
Very nice, i like the ediditng pretty funny!
Why there is no Ember in the Tier list, when it is on the preview?:)
hes s tier
5:03 you got the facets wrong XD it says activation delay increased, not activation speed
The best viper I saw is a tank who sits in his puddle with a bunch of auras and gets aghs shard multi dots everyone and just sit in puddles and hope for the best.
Please make another list for offlane 7.36c
Thank you sweaty guy for the good video content
Where would you put monkey king?
Thanks for the vid. greeting from Poland !
Jenkins, if you could I would appreciate some techies mid in the next tier list. Even if you put them in their own tier of not even being real just seeming them on the screen would be appreciated. Cheers
I dont get why skywrath mage always gets overlooked on tierlists when even kotl and visage get mentioned
God tier:
Techies
Beats all these mids. Ganker. Farmer. Tower buster. Bridge burner. Core hunter. 1v5er
Can’t believe that my boy Ember is finally in S tier. I don’t even remember the time when he was in A tier or higher (except mageslayer 7.35b mistake). I dont think that it’s because of how good gleipnir is right now. His counerpicks are not in the meta, and some of them are not even counterpicks anymore
Jenkins knows jack shit about Invoker, noted. For anyone interested, Invoker Elitist facet is basically just better in every regard, if you are a veteran player, Agnostic comes in play when new/learning/not maining since the bonuses are pasive at all times. Innate gives you free XP, EMP shard is still good, all cooldowns got reduced, is still universal, basically Invoker players are very happy this patch compared to the previous.
Which one is better as Right click build
Which facet
He's worse as you can see by the lowered winrate, laning got buffed and everything else nerfed.
Agnostic is good if u are vs lone druid as exort or something and the + dmg will let you survive lane.
Grand master invoker I disagree with this alot
Agnostic turns into into a lane dominator and a right clicker
Very easy to sit in lane with exort and deny creeps with forge spirit with agnostic + bracer / stats, or if you're going wex the added attack speed over MS can really bully certain lanes where you just sit the emp'ing their mana and harassing them with RC's tornado and cold snap
Elitest is alot better for rotations or when your team has alot of magic damage (the exort amp works for your whole team not just you) elitest with a parasma is insane, but I don't think one is significantly better than the other at all
Hey jenkins I’m 4k and spam NS mid with 70+% wr nobody talks about NS mid and quite frankly he was broken pre c patch. I hope people would talk about it more
Jemkims cam u do a tier lisht for ccarries puhlease?????
No mention of Monkey King at all?
Seems to be played a LOT and super strong. Just so incredibly mobile.
Jenkins makes me sweat profusely
Jenkins, you're totally wrong about Magnus. Reverse reverse polarity, with Spirit Breaker, you know, playing to like, skewering them into the fountain, is really good!(2)
tinker is a great support now. greaves and locket with shield will sustain whole team. heal march will secure retreat paths and would deter enemy heroes from trying to surround you. midas will ensure that you will have great items late game.
Doesn't sound like a 4 to me, more like an offlane if anything
GOATED editor.
Where would you put razor?
Hitting razes is easier than hitting a good ult, and sf is all about his ult now (Mid-late) so in my opinion he's more skillful than before. I get you can blink and bkb and cast it in like, .5 seconds or something with Y&K and 25 talent, but it's not some mindless Viper level of play.
Qop shit tier Jenkins drunk while making this. It's at least A tier. Facet masochist self dmg so that's y people buy dagon to heal back. 1k spell dmg without ulti definitely strong. Just like people use mask madness, take more dmg but it's worth for att spd. I'm not even midlaner but when i have to play mid, i pick qop & it's so ez to play bcoz dmg so high.
Yup strong facet, even just kaya sange is good you blink on people oneshot and if they hit you, they get hit by reflect damage. The facet feels really good to me
Monkey king?
I mean those heroes is best heroes for win a game or laning? i mean cause nowadays ppl just pick strong midlaners in laning phase , like OD, dk, lina, huskar and dazzle in C really? they counters ember tiny even TA
Never seen such a hot take on qop, most people think shes one of the best rn, maso + voodoo mask is almost enough to offset the damage you take so then its just a hero with 15% spell amp really early on, seems like a poking kinda meta and she is born to poke as well, even tiny doesnt really do toss avalanche much, he just does 900 damage toss and keeps back to see when he can jump on someone low enough. OD is not a low tier, dk isnt a low tier, ld isn't too bad. Primal is underrated then the rest looks ok. Oh and timber just isn't a mid, you like maxing Q+W on him but you cant use either very effectively on mid lane, gets bullied out by basically any hero if you do that build and if you go armor you kinda offset the benefit of having mid xp cos your burst is about as good as had you stomped the offlane. probably missed some there, not seen any batrider so hard to say for him
No mention of my 2 broken mid heros, silencer and bane :(
Is mid silencer a thing?
Visage is very good pos4 now, with DS. and Ember is extremely good so yes... Pick Visage, don't pick noob talent, control birds, AOE Q is very strong by itself. 20:38 funny I have just played Lesh, DESTROYED Zeus mid at one point almost 2 lvl ahead, still lost the game... it just falls off, and it was PA that would just delete me and I have killed her 2 times.... Umm, now when I think about it, how did she recover? Will watch replay, I remember player was angry he was talking on that other ABC... 22:50 Guys Pengo is pos1 now, read his stuff, just go RAW DMG!!! He is very strong, don't get that, is it 15 talent? When you get stronger, barrier? Just go as much DMG as possible. Well, you have to get AGS and harpoon. I have new ember build, it is still testing in 5-6k, and it works very well, just need more time to ummmm to figure it out the build order. It will get stolen on my main acc for sure, that is what pros fkn do, that's why I hate em :p
Yep, PA is reported...... Why do people are using that only crit stuff? He watches the camp that he is farming and his hero jump by itself on hero and crits 3 times, but it do it smart first blink then slows... mb q was on CD.... Hope next mass ban is coming soon.
I've been spamming Arc and Meepo and they feel super strong right now. I still prefer More Meepos in pubs, but maybe I haven't experimented with Pack Rat enough.
Really? Meepo feels so squishy right now and doesn’t do a lot of damage
What about monkey king?
“Everyone having amazing talents”. Meanwhile treant….🌲
The silent sound effect is really loud lol
No mention of MK or razor?
Dude, what about monkeh?
you made an error on qop, her first facet is spell lifesteal not spell amp
I get it that this was a huge patch but valve needs to change those heroes who got crap facets or moved the old hero style to facet. Similar to the talents patch they should be fixed eventually. They just wanted to change ALL heroes but kind of lazy changes to some heroes.
Agnostic Invoker is very strong
what is ur build with agnostic? QW or QE ? What items too
@@shinmanalo3800 quas exort. Max exort and only skill quas when you can’t, skill quas ONLY to level 4 (double forged), I only start taking wex at level 8-9. Start items are 2 branches, farie fire, 2 circlets, tangos. Then I go wraith band into bracer, skip boots into midas, then pick up brown boots, witch blade, pike, bkb, shard, then the items change depending on the game, sometimes I go aghs refresh, sometimes parasma, sometimes other defense items. all up to you from there.
@@shinmanalo3800 do you have discord? Idk if UA-cam is letting me post comments
Valve really needs to give Jenkins Silencer's innate, my man is silenced constantly.
We have the same Uniqlo shirt Jenkins 🤗