Guy with a “real job” here. I don’t look down on you. As a music major who quit because I didn’t have the courage to risk it all, you have my respect and admiration. Best wishes on your next chapter.
Same,... I met my wife at 24 and that sort of ended the music career,... not that she doesn't support me,... but her long view extended forwards to retirement,... which required a pension,... At 67 years old, I still write and play in a Progressive Rock band and we travel across the UK and Europe,... having spare cash now means not having to sleep in the kind of places where you don't shine an ultra-violet light bulb on the bed,... 😏
“To be a professional musician, you have to have a really high tolerance for financial instability“. That’s the quote of the day. I will use it tomorrow when I stand in front of my music class in college.
@@MaxxBigg Yes. It just continues to get more challenging to survive as a musician nowadays. You have to diversify a LOT! You have to gig, compose, produce, teach, score for TV and Film, place instrumentals in music libraries, get into sound design, audiobooks, mixing, editing, social media, youtube...it's just never-ending. You MUST diversify and learn how to do EVERYTHING.
@@joelsom Exactly. That's the situation, today. But AI is coming on SO rapidly. There's no question in my mind that it's going to eliminate a LOT of bread and butter work that's out there, today. And, I don't see anything on the horizon that's going to make up for the work that's going to be lost. 100,000+ new tracks added to Spotify daily. There's just WAY too much music being created, and not enough ears to listen to it. I keep thinking that music is rapidly becoming like golf. There will be people like Tiger Woods at the top making lots of money, but most people will be spending their own money to enjoy being a music maker, the same way most golfers spend lots of money and time to enjoy being golfers.
This was great man, I've had the same exact journey... about 15-ish years doing the "everything bagel" music hustle just to make ends meet. Even now... I'm touring with a Legacy Artist, playing corporates in between, teaching... I'm always busy with paid work, yet it's still not enough to be comfortable financially. Thanks for shining a light on the reality of the situation. Everyone in the Hollywood pro-musician world just pretends that they are crushing it, but I know, they're all struggling too.
This is the first of your videos I’ve watched. Far from looking down on you, I admire your willingness to be real and vulnerable. You are to be applauded for your honesty. Thanks, and Godspeed in your career.
When I graduated from high school I had to decide if I was going to be a musician or an electrical engineer. I chose electrical engineering and for me that was the best choice. I made decent money and had an interesting career. And I was always a musician. Most of the time what I earned as a musician was somewhere between zero and paltry. But I started playing piano when I was 7. At age 75 I am still playing. I was an engineer for about 40 years. So you can imagine what my advice has been to some young people. One guy was trying to decide between a rock musician and an automobile mechanic. I told him work on cars during the day and play your guitar at night, Ten years later he is still thanking me.
I suspect the grass is always greener though. I also went the technical route and sometimes regret it, because I think I had a shot at a great music career, and I miss what it does for me emotionally. It's hard to be satisfied with "music on the side" if you really love it.
Good choice. I love music. And I’m a church musician. I make about $20k a year just off of church alone but still have a 9-5 in the finance industry. I think when musicians are young they only think about the present and not think about when they retire. You gotta think about when you get older, and 401k, life insurance, family, children, college tuition and all that other stuff. You sir made a good choice 👍🏿
My buddy toured with Tower of Power off and on for 55 years. In the last 25 years he made roughly $125k salary per year with stipends for off days. BUT …..They consistently played 125-150 shows per year plus travel. It’s not for the faint of heart. I had numerous opportunities to play drums professionally in the 1990 era. I chose the more stable instead of the more satisfying. I am a chief civil engineer at $250k per year, have enjoyed 31 years of marriage and 3 wonderful grown children and could not be happier. A full time musician is a tough life for most. I truly wish all reading this the utmost of success and all the best.
I am glad you had a successful life, not being a musician, but... Back in the 90s, if you had the opportunity to be a touring drummer, you should have done it. The 90s was the tail end of musicians making the big money before the music industry drastically changed. I would have jumped at the chance to be a touring musician and make the millilns before getting out when thins for the music industry drastically changed in the 2000s.
@@Iamadrummer as one who has crafted/interpreted and actually done touring contracts, I can state unequivocally that touring drummers in the 70s/80s and 90s were not making million$. Yeah, maybe Henley and Phil Collins, but they were entire ACTS, not session nor touring musicians. Sam's numbers are actually pretty current , give or take a few hundred bucks and a LOT of it depends on the band, management and labels. Some make more, some make less, but hes pretty close to what we see. Just as an aside too, unless the band/tour has a major sponsorship for the tour, there's not a whole lot of profit to be made in touring anymore as the costs are simply phenomenal. Even Journey and Jon Cain and Schon are fighting (or were??) over money. However, @lamadrummer, I would agree that the "glory days" for the bands and musicians are no longer as they were indeed much better in the 70s/80s and 90s. Those days are long gone. Publishing is where its at and even then, a LOT of bands or musicians no longer own their catalog or own works anymore. Just ask Dylan and Nicks and Buckingham who sold (mostly) their catalogs to a publishing group for million$. Now, who's making the $$$ ?? Sure , you can do the cruise ship or corporate gigs but thats essentially like a touring musician. There's still easier (and better) ways to make money.
@@Iamadrummera friend of mine had multiple platinum albums in the 90s, toured and the LA Lakers used his music at games, he had extensive college radio airplay. He makes more now playing a once a week church gig. The congregation loves him and buys thousands of albums and the individuals hire him for every event. Career wise it sounds depressing but in fact it's more uplifting money wise as well as emotionally.
Great video. I've made my living in music for about 30 years and I've discovered what you talked about here: it's important to be resourceful. I've toured, was a staff writer for a music licensing company, taught, etc. So far, teaching brings me in the most. Performing brings me the most joy. May you find a lot of joy in your current journey.
As a non-musician who literally got given this video through the algorithm out of the blue, i eneded up really enjoying this! I always have great respect for those who find a way to make a living doing what they love doing most, while folks like us have chosen the 'work to live' route. And to see someone talk about the financial side of things so candidly is so valuable, too.
Who knows, not before long many 'stable incomers' may lose their jobs to AI, and UBI + creative gig economy would be the new norm. Perhaps we should all preemptively invest in our 'hobbies'!
This is one of the best, most honest, and insightful videos about music that I have ever seen. Thank you. It’s crazy that this is the first video of its kind that I have seen.
Touring is mentally and physically exhausting. It's so much time and effort for that hour of enjoyment. People really don't understand the commitment and sacrifice musicians go through. Great content mate.
I mean every job has its pros and cons Sometime i wish i could play music as a job as long as it pays the bills. I work as a lineman and sometimes i have to travel with work. In a way, im touring but im still doing a "lame" job that sometimes makes me wish that id do something else. When i travel for work, my free time is pretty much non existing. I cant carry my guitar stuff with me and we work for long hours. So yea, i dont have that much pity for touring musicians lol
Passion trumps exhaustion...to a certain extent. When I was touring we didn't have a dedicated driver, road manager, tech crew, etc...most of that fell on me (the bass player). I loved the work and I was passionate about it...until we had a series of events where we had to drive through the night multiple nights in a row with all-day stuff happening in between. We basically took turns falling asleep behind the wheel and after several close calls and damage to the bus from hitting road cones I decided to retire from that life. I would do it again though if the family dynamics we good and the support staff was in place.
Hey wait this guy looks familiar. OMG it's Sam!! I love this man! I've played with this man! I've said the most embarrassing thing of my career to this man in a parking lot in Atlantic City. I have envied his playing since the first day I saw him play. He was so young and so talented it made me feel so old and so bad at my craft. Great to see him doing what he should be doing. You are the best Sam. I have found my new favorite UA-cam channel. If i had any money you'd be my first patrion subscription and you may be still
Guy with a “real job” here. I attempted music as a career in my youth but really didn’t like the instability and unending hustle. So I kept it as a hobby and built a career in aerospace. I don’t have regrets in that it worked out well for me, but I definitely don’t like my profession as much as I like music. You should be super proud of yourself that you’re able to make a living doing something you love so much. Hope you continue to see success.
Hi Sam --- Your story and actually making this video is really inspiring. I am a fellow musician, I started out as a bass player in rock bands some 20 years ago of course on amateur level, and tried to sing. Then I went through the Conservatoire, thinking I'd stay there a couple of years... a Bachelor's and Master's later, plus a scholarship at the Vienna State Opera that changed my life, set me up now to be a full time Opera Choir member in Austria, fixed in the second opera house of the Nation and at the Salzburg Festival during the summer. Like you said, you really gotta love what you do, and I do, I cannot get enough of singing my heart out ... and then there's money. It was very, very hard at the beginning, but now through my jobs in choir, the royalities from my rock days, and my investments (that I could do thanks to my music-money) last year I made it to the 10% of earners in the country. Not bad for the little italian who could not hold a note for dear life. Sam, again, our paths are totally different, but the dreams were the same, and whether your next paycheck comes from gigging, teaching or selling your compositions, music lasts a lifetime. Ciao from Austria!
Hi Sam, thank you for your honesty about your salary in the music world. General public believes that if you're working musician and backing successful acts, then you're making bank. That not the case in most situations. It's easy to get caught up in the glamor stories about the music world. Musicians like you are coming out more and telling the truth about the music business. Out of the amount of people in the music business, only a small percentage of people are making large sums of money. Most people are getting by and find other ventures to supplement their income. Good luck with your next phase on your journey. Stay positive and keep moving forward.
Dang, that's a lot less than I thought. When I go to a show and pay several hundred bucks for a few seats, I would think that the guy on stage got more than that.
Yeah it sucks. After the venue, ticket agency, promoter, manager, stage-sound-light crews, transportation, lodging, food, etc gets cut out of the revenue, the artist is of course going to pocket as much as they can and pay their musicians what they think is fair
@@voodoochili12 I suppose its really good pay if you don't have to support a family and can just live on the road so that rent and food is not coming out of that 60k a year. But for most people, probably wouldn't work
@@thomasclevelandWhen I travel I blow a lot of money on food and incidentals. Also hotels are expensive. Maybe some hotel stays are covered by the tour?
Hey Sam, so glad you shared this! It's the reality of what it's like to live the life of a professional musician. In addition to the unstable pay it takes a great deal of courage to follow your passion to be a professional musician and that is meaningful!
You've done something very meaningful here. As a former touring musician that tried to establish a stable base (as a bassist) with hourly session gigs, I have found it difficult to convey to people the intrinsic variability in our wages. It can be unnerving at best. One bit that I will add, which falls under the universal question of professional validity for musicians: When I did ultimately transition to my techbro backup plan, I was mortified of putting my CV on display because it read like a who's who of unknown regional musicians. To my surprise, I have landed several big federal contracts just because a decision-maker gets pumped to talk music with someone who actually did it. Everyone wants to be a rockstar and despite the fact that I was nowhere near that...for someone who has spent their life in a suit, it just feels closer. I also really have to commend you for putting in the work during the current musical era. I was fortunate enough to do my studio work between 2001 and 2009. Streaming was largely a novelty, Napster had been put to rest, and it allowed for this little near-decade long sweet spot during which the industry was still writing big checks before the success, versus the current landscape where you get paid after you're famous. You're killing it, man. Makes me happy to see it.
Hey Sam - Thanks for your words of comfort... People in music and arts are generally inconsistently paid - I crossed the line to visual arts. As a relatively successful artist - You can never judge the 'book' by its 'cover' - but when you do it at least as good as the original - it gives us a path to follow... As an A&R specialist - given position through Ahmet Ertigun - I'm now a septuagenarian - over 65 years since I did the first TV show[s] as a tap dancer, and started learning piano at 7 - called Best Hand Drummer Alive [Nashville 1974] because I learned Country/R&B then Soul/Roots music by '76 after featured at the Troubadour.... It seems like recently - spending too much time reminiscing when work needs to be done. Be grateful for the recognition - you are great! ... From near Media Central at the Cross Roads of Tensil Town...
Sam, from a "random" commenter on your channel, you are doing great, I myself working a "stable" job still dream of being in front of 30'000+ people and playing your heart out for 2 hours and doing it again in the next city. The impact you're making is far more worth than money, trust me, there might be someone looking up to you to say, "I want to be like Sam", and that my friend is priceless.
The person that says “ I want to be like Sam” likely is young and does not YET have a family, a stable job with benefits and a pension. It would be somebody young who never really had to worry about dependents. I think this is a good lifestyle ( if you REALLY love it) for young single people with NO ONE depending on them. Once you have kids…..nothing else matters.
Problem is he will get old...the gigs will die off.....and that is when reality hits. I have known many people in the music biz. An honest or sane artist will tell you NEVER try to make a living doing it. Music is a hobby. Making it "big" is not what you think it is (they are created or pay to play and get lucky, e.g. Taylor Swift.). Tons and tons of talent out there...not even counting the fake ways to make music that you cannot discern as just a fan.
@@doctordetroit4339 Yep. A “ Sea of Me’s”. It’s a great hobby. I tried for years to make it in original bands….decades. Quit jobs because I thought “ How will I tour if we are so lucky?” Then I started HATING live gigs BECAUSE…..nights…..AND weekend work for what, couple hundred bucks? It never worked out but once I became a dad….F@#k that music bs. I wanted to be home. I’m on the railroad and retire in 4 years, 11 months and it’s got a pension. Man if I ever did a bonehead thing like leaving this job to keep chasing my tail in music…I’d be f@#$ed now at 58, plus….my last band was in a genre not really BIG for money. Death Metal and I was the drummer.After 22 years and we all called it quits in 2017. It’s only a hobby now and for a hobby guy I have serious chops BUT……don’t care! Steady job…..still married and my kids (now young men) know me…..all I care about. I’ve even lost the passion for music, but it is a feeling of freedom I can’t describe. I’ve cut my losses. No more crazy practice to maintain extended double bass bullshit for almost whole songs, exercise bikes to not only keep in shape but to keep drumming legs in shape, no more practice pads all over the place or guilt being on vacation taking time off of the kit. Freedom. Last time I played drums was 2017 and I rented a studio to record some tracks for my own nonsense.I miss the band camaraderie though and we keep in touch…. God bless ANYONE who sticks it out in this @#$&*&$ industry.
I feel this is amazing content, coming from his heart, honest information. I am a trained classical pianist. When I was at the conservatory of music, I noticed that the majority of my teachers were lawyers/musicians, medical doctors/ musicians, even civil engineers/musicians. That stood up in my mind. My career was in the health field/ musician. This was my combo in order to provide for my family. Songwriting, producing and home recording have given me more satisfying rewards than money. I have played in many places, in front of large and small crowds. Being a musician is my passion, but the monetary return compared to other professions does not equal to the sacrifice and time invested in improving my skills and perfecting my craft over the years. Sam, thanks for sharing. You defined the real struggles of a professional musician.
Very insightful. I’ve been touring a lot for the past few years (as a mix engineer) and the pay is great, but it sure is tough work and hard on my family, friends, and studio business. So it feels a little bit like a trap. That said, I’m grateful I get to do this for a living.
I've often felt on tour that I hope the techs and crew are getting paid way more than the band. The musicians, to some degree, have it easy. Congrats on the gig and on making a living doing what you love!
@@SamGutman Reason is the techies and crew are more rare. Ballbreaking work on top of all the stuff you mentioned. And few go into music to mix, produce etc...they want to play. You know the mammoth amount of talent out there. You must be really good to rise about that. Congrats for at least making a living doing this...90% or more never would or could simply financially survive playing music.
It’s amazing that you’re willing to share real numbers and put yourself in a vulnerable spot like that. Surely this info is invaluable to countless people struggling to make a career decision. As someone who gave up the idea of pursuing a career in music and instead got a “boring” job, the video also helps answer some of those “what if I had….” questions that have lurked in the back of my mind ever since. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, and I wish you the best of luck in your evolving career.
As someone who has seen you play, studied music, tried making a living as a musican and still struggles with these mental battles, I want to say thank you. This video is great and to all watching, know that Sam is an extremely killer musician!
Well done Sam! What struck me was your honesty and sincerity. You mentioned not doing the paid church gig any longer. As a Sunday morning drummer and bass player, I can tell you from the bottom of my heart it has changed who I am and the most important thing in my life is serving Jesus. Wish you the very best on your new venture!
Thank you Sam for letting us know your financial music history. As someone who has always wanted music career, I realize how very difficult it is to sustain doing gigs, teaching, sessions etc to earn enough to pay the bills. You make me realize that what you do isn’t for everyone. You must truly “ mean it”!
I played in bands all through my late teens and twenties, but also went to university (in Australia) to qualify as a psychologist. I took a break from that for a year to concentrate on music (playing on a cruise ship and at ski fields and wine bar). But the band broke up and I returned to being a consultant psychologist, whilst still playing in bands or small groups on the weekends. At various times I also sang in a choir and a vocal quartet. I regard music as a lifelong passion. I did additional courses in jazz guitar and piano as a basis for my songwriting efforts. Recorded two studio albums of my songs, then continued with a home studio set up using 😅Logic software and getting it out there, mainly on UA-cam. This means my music is also available on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. Not playing live much anymore (I am in my seventies), but music remains a central life interest. That’s along with psychology and philosophy (which provide some good subject matter for songs!).
Just curious, what do you think (if anything) about the modern popular 'philosophies' of vibrations, frequencies, and manifestation? Are they recipes for mental illness? Do they relate to music/music therapy?
Considering the cesspool that is social media, it's beyond refreshing to come across a young man who isn't afraid to be authentic. Everybody has a story, and it's in sharing that story that we learn about ourselves and others. Don't ever apologize for being yourself.
Hi Sam, I’m new to your channel and want to express my gratitude, appreciation and respect for your thoughtful and courageous work here. There are a lot of things to admire about this video and how you have presented it. For me, what shines through a range of human qualities and virtues that are notably absent from so much of what is presented in popular media. I think that these will be the foundation for your continued success. And that that success will not be measured in dollar terms alone. I predict that you will have a meaningful and satisfying life journey and that you will continue to grow as you navigate the challenges that life brings. I also believe that you will continue to help others experience meaning and satisfaction in their lives. … plus… well … music 🎉how joyous! Thanks for this! I wish you well!
This was fascinating to watch! As someone that never found a way to do the big tour thing I always wondered how in the heck that all worked out with rates & rehearsals. Congrats on your journey & success 👏
Hi Sam, I really appreciate you sharing your personal insights .. I'm 61, have been through a 'rockstar' life earlier and you're right, nobody ever mentioned how much they got .. I had to code on top level to survive back then .. like as a military coder with a cover-job on top of it .. We made hilarious amount of money in the 80s early 90s, and partied like idiots. Last year I was hit by a massive stroke (blood clot in brain) and now I live pretty ok, but I have less than $50/month but happy, because my musician brain wasn't affected so I'm still releasing :-)
Hope you continue with your recovery. I have thought that three medical conditions can really inhibit playing ability, and you got hit with at least one of them: deafness, arthritis and stroke. Five years ago I suddenly lost hearing in one ear so I no longer hear stereo. It is harder to locate sound sources (like a concealed cell phone) plus picking out parts in a mix. Even with these challenges I still find it worth the effort to learn new material.
Great vid! Much needed for musicians and fairly realistic insight. I do a $350 church gig but it really stretches me out. I love it cause I always loved gospel music. Your path is similar to a lot of my friends and contemporaries and is a great insight to the life of a musician.
Well explained!! I have been a local performing musician most of my life. Other musicians generally don't want to discuss the things you just did. Thanks and all the best to you!!
Great video man. People have such a distorted view of what a gigging musician makes. I played keys on a mariah carey tune once and everyone i told thought i must have made a fortune lol! Nope, $500 for my studio time.
What an awesome journey! I had similar era 1 and era 2 experiences, but my "big break" was figuring out that as a versatile multi-instrumentalist and singer in many genres, I can make a very decent living from private event, corporate, and wedding gigs, charging higher prices just playing solo. This gives me the freedom to re-invest some of what I make into my artist career, building my email list, marketing my shows, etc. So my next goal is similar to yours in a way, where I'm seeking to connect more directly with the people that like my music and build up that audience
10:39 "Too be a professional musician, you have to have a really high tolerance for financial instability"...This is so true and why I can't do it. I studied audio engineering in college and did a few small live sound gigs in the city, audio for short films, and also setup A/V for conferences. Honestly, I hated it as it was freelance and I never knew when I would get another gig and I was unsuccessful because I made like $5,000 a year doing audio stuff so I did other part time jobs that I hated to help me financially. I do tech now which pays fine and is far more stable than anything in the music field but is certainly not as interesting. I admire you for being able to pay for your needs doing what you love with music. Most can't say that from what I've seen.
What a good post! I’m routing for you. You are talented; you have passion; you are an entrepreneur a survivor; have a great personality; you seem sincere; you’re open and you’re putting yourself in the race and DOING A GREAT JOH! Very refreshing!
9:25 “I don’t know why money has to be … this … sensitive and private topic”: my take - taboos enforce silence, so unfairness and wrongdoing are not exposed and exploitation can continue to benefit those in power. Great video, thanks for your honest sharing! And well done for sticking it out and making it this far 💪
Money is not such a sensitive or private thing for musicians to discuss anymore. Now, most musicians are open about it and tell it like it now is. Years ago, when musicians were making millions, it was more sensitive and private, but those days are over. Now, musicians will tell you how hard it is and the syruggles they go through these days just to make the bare minimum to live on.
Musicians don't get paid shit in comparison to almost any other job. Taylor Swift's net worth may seem impressive and places her among the highest-earning musicians in the world. However, when compared to the top earners in other industries, it falls short. Here's a breakdown: Music Industry: * Taylor Swift's net worth is estimated to be around $1.1 billion. * Other top-earning musicians include Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Paul McCartney, whose net worths are significantly higher, often reaching several billion dollars. Other Industries: * Technology: Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates are among the wealthiest individuals in the world, with net worths in the hundreds of billions. * Finance: Warren Buffett and Bernard Arnault are also in this category, with net worths exceeding $100 billion. * Real Estate: Stephen Ross is a notable figures in this industry, with significantly higher wealth than Swift. While Taylor Swift's net worth is substantial, it's important to note that the top earners in other industries, particularly technology and finance, often possess wealth on a different scale. This is due to factors such as the nature of their businesses, the scale of their operations, and the exponential growth potential of these industries. However, the way this wealth is distributed doesn't account for the fact that technologists often base the exponential demand for their services on content which they do not pay for. This is an injustice imho.
I did a tour back in 2018 for an official tribute band of a super famous band. I was just subbing for three weeks for their regular drummer. We toured the US playing in 7 or 8 different states. The band was great and the working conditions were nice. Techs, tourbus, food, hotels etc. The pay however was barely worth it. We were employed by the band's corporation and they refused to 1099 me as a freelance worker. I asked for this as I was only filling in for 3 weeks, but they said I had to be an official employee. In this capacity, withholdings were immediately taken from my paycheck, but the biggest sting came when I had to pay my accountant to fill out multiple state income tax returns for all of the states I had worked in. I didn't see that one coming, as when I have toured before it was always in the capacity as a self employed 1099d musician. If I had known, I would have asked for extra money to pay my accountants fees. It cost me around a fifth of my total gross pay. I was also not compensated at all for my preperation time, which consisted if 8 hour days for one month. Not only was I playing drums but had to sing bvs on all songs. It was a steep learning curve.
A close friend was the singer in a famous legendary band for over 10 years. She was in the spotlight as the front person on stage and had the skills and looks to make that band pop. After ten years of world tours she was only making avg $500/gig. The others all made over $5,000 each. She even had songwriting credits on their newer albums. They refused to budge and she quit.
I'm 64 years old and for me I've learned that "Success" is being happy in your life, nothing more. The more money I made along the way, the less happy and therefore successful I was. Now in retirement, I've never been happier. Not the way the world tells us to think at all.
Excellent, accurate and heartfelt video. Most people don't realize the reality of the working musician life. Thanks for sharing and best of success to you in the future!
Keep at it man, insightful content from someone out there doing the hard yards is so refreshing compared to a lot of these UA-cam bullshit merchants. And I hear you - I just turned 35, 100+ days a year on the road, I'm ready to become shoe salesman at this rate...
Bless you, man. Been pursuing music for 20+ years and although it’s never paid any bills and I work a corporate job…I still need to create. “Such an ache and longing to be seen, to be heard. And you want it to matter while you’re here on this earth.”
Thanks for sharing this! I started as a singer/songwriter in 1997. Did hundreds of shows and got paid anywhere from $0-$1,000 (to barely live). Then in 2006 I licensed music to MTV Viacom to play in a few shows. And thought “I made it.” Then, 2 YEARS later I get a few hundred dollars in royalties here and there. So I quit. But just a few weeks ago I re-released all the music I did. Mostly instrumental. And I made $3 in streams from 8 albums of music (in a month). It’s a TOUGH business. I do it for me now. In reality, the only people making great money nowadays are established musicians with large followings, from a while back, and the streaming companies.
Great and honest video. Good luck and success in the music world. I turned from the scientific to the music world, studied at Berklee, made a living as a recording engineer and at age 70 turned back to playing the guitar. Anything is possible. Here is to the love for music!
Thanks for sharing, I’ve always wondered what side musicians in big touring acts make. I personally think you deserve way more 😊. I would have thought the Coachella gig including rehearsal would be like 5-10k.
There are lots of UA-cam videos like this from touring musicians that lay it all out there and telk you that the days of making big money in music is over and you have to work much harder than a "9-5" job just to make the bare minimum to live on
Thank you so much for sharing!! Super super relatable and confirming that this IS in fact what a professional musician’s life is like (from one to another).
Great video. I live for music but so far haven't found a way to make enough money doing it. Thank God for my work as an entrepreneur in the tech sector. Plugging an ad in a video sounds like a great idea. My favorite UA-camrs do it and it doesn't bother me. I understand that they need to make money. You seem to be on the right track! I hope things go incredibly well for you!
Let me tell you straight up as a musician who transferred into a high paid non music line of work - im really not sure I made the right choice. Ive got property, Ive got a great relationship, Ive travelled. But. I envy seeing musicians living the life they really wanted, even as I deeply understand their struggles and worries. You only get one go around ( as far as we remember.. and , well those who persist will probably have a more rewarding musical life next time). But I digress. My point is just to show the view from the other side that you might not hear. Most people on earth dont live a life that they are passionate about. A lot of people try to kid themselves so they can still get out of bed each day.
In the 80's I stumbled upon selling pot to local musicians. When I realized I could make in 5 minutes what it would take me all night long playing in some shit bar my thinking rapidly changed. When I missed a $500 sale because I played a gig for $70 with two married guys who only wanted to cheat on their wives that was it. I quit music. No more miserable gigs. I began sitting at home and just answering the door. I began making $80k a year doing nothing but going out to eat 3x a day, drinking and getting high plus picking up chicks all the time and making a deposit with them. Ho! Ho! In a nutshell that's my music story. If I had only believed in myself and I'm a talented composer and Jazz-Rock -gospel multi-instrumentalist. But my music bubble was popped in 1980 when I played with sidemen from the biggest names in the business and they gave me the skinny on the entire biz. At 67 I still haven't lost my passion for " My " music. So good luck all you dreamers. Follow your Bliss!😊
Great stuff! People who hear "get a real job" from others are generally the people who need to hear that exact message (for a large number of reasons). You worked your ass off and stayed engaged. No one can deny your level of effort. Not everyone is willing to put in the hours.
Many thanks for your openness and vulnerability about your income and career. I’m not surprised how little you actually make touring, sacrificing your life to entertain others. Sounds tough. Happy for you that you’re sorting it out.
Great video! All I want to say is don't care what other people think and be 100% good with doing what you want to do simply because you want to do it and you will find that that is the most valuable thing you can share. That's what people are craving to know is possible for themselves and you're already a great example of it. keep sharing!
Good luck with Era 4, and every new era. Doing the work to be genuine always pays off,... in value, if not always money,... but often both. In my mid 50's, I am beginning my musical career, so your story resonates with me. We need more music in our lives. Peace be with you.
Hey Sam. First time watching this be of your videos. I just want to say I think the way you have approached being a pro musician at every stage has been really considered, rational and really, pretty impressive. I don’t think there is anything to be embarrassed about or to feel like you are exposing yourself to ridicule in any way. I think the key thing is you have chased the paying gigs (and this had the responsibility to remain financially driven) but turned town opportunities that may have been to much of a compromise from your musical ambitions. That is literally the perfect choice. And you’ve managed to be completely successful doing that. 80K a year is a very respectable musician salary. Fantastic video. You are the perfect balance of upbeat/engaging and actually honest and likeable. I think you’re channel is gonna explode
Thanks for making this Sam. I happen to be a professional Electrician and a amateur Jazz guitarist. I spent a long time struggling with the idea of trying to make a living from music and then realized I did not love it quite enough, or good enough I guess. When I went out on my own as a contractor and started making as much in about 15 minutes as I would get paid for a 2 hour restaurant gig the choice was clear. I greatly admire the people who stick with it. Respect.
Sam it is so admirable that you share this with us. It is not easy to open up like this. I admire your work erhic, openness and musicianship. All the best.
I really admire you for making this video. The sad truth is many talented musicians are badly paid for the simple reason that they don’t know what bad is. You’ve shared info that helps others set a standard for themselves and the value of that cannot be overstated. Very generous of you to do this, Sam. 🤗👏🏽
They probably know what bad is but record contracts steal from musicians in every way possible and front money is a loanshark racket straight out of the mafia playbook.
We played at Global Citizen last year! You guys killed it. Thanks for being transparent about the hills and valleys of being a musician at that highest level 🙏🏽
One of the best videos of seen expressing honesty and the reality of what being a musician looks like for most instrumentalists working in the industry. You really have to wear a lot of different hats so massive respect to all the hustlers out here!
Subscribed! Great inside! I work in a completely different field as a composer and musician writing for my projects on Spotify etc. And for tv/film in the sync business. So it was very interesting to get some insight from the other side of the industry :) Fingers crossed for your UA-cam-future!
UA-cam and Reddit didn't exist when I (we?) was / were coming up, you had to rely on 1000% trusted people to inform your decision with their hopeful experience or maybe ill informed perspective... (example: Uncle Bobby says...). This video is truly kind in how it lays out the experience of being a full time working musician and what the path entails. Honestly, this is the type of video I wish all career options would have to show what the life looks like in a neutral as possible light with hints for the viewer to further research and decide on. Thanks for making this, you very likely helped someone make an important decision in their life.
I teach economics at a high school and i appreciate videos like this. They really help my students.Many think the taboo about talking about money is a corporate strategy to pay people different rates for much the same work. Not sure I buy that, but it is out there.
You are on the right track. My band toured on Warner Bros records in 2000-2001 opening for Alice Cooper, Three Doors Down, other 90's rockers. Made $500 per week salary plus $20 per diem every day. I would have done it for free. In fact, in the 8 years leading up to that i did do it for free. Was never in it for the money. "We do it for the accolades", as the saying goes. In the music biz, you are either on your way up, or on your way out. There really is no middle ground, no steady gig. So I can relate to your story. I would rather make less but have it be steady than have some big payout and not know where the next check was coming from. Ended up working at Guitar Center for 7 years then started my own business, which I still do. Good luck with your channel.
Brilliant insights and i can totally relate to everything youve said. For the last 10 years i have run a guitar school for all the same reasons. Thanks for sharing your journey.
Thanks for sharing your story. It's super relatable, I'm kind of at your 'stage 2' phase now and figuring out where to go next - even considering a non-music job for just the reasons you talk about. Whatever happens, it's awesome that you've contributed to some great shows with artists, whose fans would have had a meaningful experience there. Good luck with monetising your content!
Thank you Sam for your open discussion. The music industry is an incredibly hard world to earn monies from your musical talent. Best of luck in your 'next'' phase.. it is equally hard to break through as a content creator in the short term (unless some mega-youtuber happens upon your channel and shares). BTW, I like your A100 and Leslie in the background - a lovely vintage instrument combo
I went to music school when I was young. I knew relatively quickly based on the small amount of money I got for gigs that I needed to change careers and keep music as something I do because I'm passionate about it. I still play everyday, work on multiple projects, etc. but I went back to school and have worked in Engineering and Construction almost all of my adult life and make a good living (I am 50 years old). Thank you Sam for being honest and sharing your experience. I don't look down on you at all, in fact I respect you for taking the risk and following your dreams. I have a family and could not take such a risk. I wish you the best of luck! Subscribed.
We have a similkar journey as far being a musican and trying to make it and oddly enough the income as well. In my life, I'm at Era 2 aorund the 6:50 mark except I chose the corporate route. I got a regualr job so my income owuld be stable while I work on music and now my youtube channel. Its good to know there's othe rpeople out there on the grind too. This was a dope video!
Big congrats for having the balls to tell us your financial story. What nobody talks about
You’re not supposed to talk about how much you make.
@@jthunderbass1 why?
@@jthunderbass1 You sound like a manager... people should talk about it. Pushing it on people is one thing, but discussing it is another.
It shouldn't take balls to talk about something that doesn't matter to anything other than our fragile and weak ego.
@@NesredepEvo But it does, very few have the balls of this guy. Some will be because they are overpaid for their contribution
"I'm making this video because I wish that somebody had made it for me."
That's a good teacher.
Guy with a “real job” here. I don’t look down on you. As a music major who quit because I didn’t have the courage to risk it all, you have my respect and admiration. Best wishes on your next chapter.
Same,... I met my wife at 24 and that sort of ended the music career,... not that she doesn't support me,... but her long view extended forwards to retirement,... which required a pension,... At 67 years old, I still write and play in a Progressive Rock band and we travel across the UK and Europe,... having spare cash now means not having to sleep in the kind of places where you don't shine an ultra-violet light bulb on the bed,... 😏
“To be a professional musician, you have to have a really high tolerance for financial instability“. That’s the quote of the day. I will use it tomorrow when I stand in front of my music class in college.
And, let your class know that it's only going to continue to get worse from here on out.
@@MaxxBigg Yes. It just continues to get more challenging to survive as a musician nowadays. You have to diversify a LOT! You have to gig, compose, produce, teach, score for TV and Film, place instrumentals in music libraries, get into sound design, audiobooks, mixing, editing, social media, youtube...it's just never-ending. You MUST diversify and learn how to do EVERYTHING.
@@joelsom Exactly. That's the situation, today. But AI is coming on SO rapidly. There's no question in my mind that it's going to eliminate a LOT of bread and butter work that's out there, today. And, I don't see anything on the horizon that's going to make up for the work that's going to be lost. 100,000+ new tracks added to Spotify daily. There's just WAY too much music being created, and not enough ears to listen to it. I keep thinking that music is rapidly becoming like golf. There will be people like Tiger Woods at the top making lots of money, but most people will be spending their own money to enjoy being a music maker, the same way most golfers spend lots of money and time to enjoy being golfers.
This was great man, I've had the same exact journey... about 15-ish years doing the "everything bagel" music hustle just to make ends meet. Even now... I'm touring with a Legacy Artist, playing corporates in between, teaching... I'm always busy with paid work, yet it's still not enough to be comfortable financially. Thanks for shining a light on the reality of the situation. Everyone in the Hollywood pro-musician world just pretends that they are crushing it, but I know, they're all struggling too.
Fact is, it's the "bagels" who get all the money. Been that way since the industry began.
@@DeHuwite not getting the bagel metaphor in either comment 🤔
@@willudallmusicfirst dude meant like doing every random gig like an everything bagel, second guy was referring to the jewish music executives lmaooo
@@Tryptamine1020 thank you 😂
The Jmob runs music, film and Vegas.
This is the first of your videos I’ve watched. Far from looking down on you, I admire your willingness to be real and vulnerable. You are to be applauded for your honesty. Thanks, and Godspeed in your career.
When I graduated from high school I had to decide if I was going to be a musician or an electrical engineer. I chose electrical engineering and for me that was the best choice. I made decent money and had an interesting career. And I was always a musician. Most of the time what I earned as a musician was somewhere between zero and paltry. But I started playing piano when I was 7. At age 75 I am still playing. I was an engineer for about 40 years.
So you can imagine what my advice has been to some young people. One guy was trying to decide between a rock musician and an automobile mechanic. I told him work on cars during the day and play your guitar at night, Ten years later he is still thanking me.
That's so cool! I think I would be happy in something technical like that.
Same here: Teaching during the day; music at night!!
I would thank u 2. I was thinking about taxes and other retirement benefits at the end of your working days
I suspect the grass is always greener though. I also went the technical route and sometimes regret it, because I think I had a shot at a great music career, and I miss what it does for me emotionally. It's hard to be satisfied with "music on the side" if you really love it.
Good choice. I love music. And I’m a church musician. I make about $20k a year just off of church alone but still have a 9-5 in the finance industry. I think when musicians are young they only think about the present and not think about when they retire. You gotta think about when you get older, and 401k, life insurance, family, children, college tuition and all that other stuff. You sir made a good choice 👍🏿
this type of transparency is golden. it's going to help a lot of people and non-musicians learn the reality of things
My buddy toured with Tower of Power off and on for 55 years. In the last 25 years he made roughly $125k salary per year with stipends for off days. BUT …..They consistently played 125-150 shows per year plus travel. It’s not for the faint of heart. I had numerous opportunities to play drums professionally in the 1990 era. I chose the more stable instead of the more satisfying. I am a chief civil engineer at $250k per year, have enjoyed 31 years of marriage and 3 wonderful grown children and could not be happier. A full time musician is a tough life for most. I truly wish all reading this the utmost of success and all the best.
I am glad you had a successful life, not being a musician, but... Back in the 90s, if you had the opportunity to be a touring drummer, you should have done it. The 90s was the tail end of musicians making the big money before the music industry drastically changed. I would have jumped at the chance to be a touring musician and make the millilns before getting out when thins for the music industry drastically changed in the 2000s.
@@Iamadrummer as one who has crafted/interpreted and actually done touring contracts, I can state unequivocally that touring drummers in the 70s/80s and 90s were not making million$. Yeah, maybe Henley and Phil Collins, but they were entire ACTS, not session nor touring musicians. Sam's numbers are actually pretty current , give or take a few hundred bucks and a LOT of it depends on the band, management and labels. Some make more, some make less, but hes pretty close to what we see. Just as an aside too, unless the band/tour has a major sponsorship for the tour, there's not a whole lot of profit to be made in touring anymore as the costs are simply phenomenal. Even Journey and Jon Cain and Schon are fighting (or were??) over money. However, @lamadrummer, I would agree that the "glory days" for the bands and musicians are no longer as they were indeed much better in the 70s/80s and 90s. Those days are long gone. Publishing is where its at and even then, a LOT of bands or musicians no longer own their catalog or own works anymore. Just ask Dylan and Nicks and Buckingham who sold (mostly) their catalogs to a publishing group for million$. Now, who's making the $$$ ?? Sure , you can do the cruise ship or corporate gigs but thats essentially like a touring musician. There's still easier (and better) ways to make money.
Tower of power
One of my favourite bands of all time (Rocco and David on drums were my heroes
Your buddy wasn’t one of them was he ?
@@danielirvine7468 Dave is a friend of mine. One of the funniest guys I’ve ever met
@@Iamadrummera friend of mine had multiple platinum albums in the 90s, toured and the LA Lakers used his music at games, he had extensive college radio airplay. He makes more now playing a once a week church gig. The congregation loves him and buys thousands of albums and the individuals hire him for every event. Career wise it sounds depressing but in fact it's more uplifting money wise as well as emotionally.
Great video. I've made my living in music for about 30 years and I've discovered what you talked about here: it's important to be resourceful. I've toured, was a staff writer for a music licensing company, taught, etc. So far, teaching brings me in the most. Performing brings me the most joy. May you find a lot of joy in your current journey.
As a non-musician who literally got given this video through the algorithm out of the blue, i eneded up really enjoying this! I always have great respect for those who find a way to make a living doing what they love doing most, while folks like us have chosen the 'work to live' route. And to see someone talk about the financial side of things so candidly is so valuable, too.
Who knows, not before long many 'stable incomers' may lose their jobs to AI, and UBI + creative gig economy would be the new norm. Perhaps we should all preemptively invest in our 'hobbies'!
This is one of the best, most honest, and insightful videos about music that I have ever seen. Thank you. It’s crazy that this is the first video of its kind that I have seen.
Touring is mentally and physically exhausting. It's so much time and effort for that hour of enjoyment. People really don't understand the commitment and sacrifice musicians go through. Great content mate.
I’ve heard some musicians trick themselves into doing it by telling themselves “I get paid to travel and play the music for free.”
It can feel like that sometimes! only sometimes though. Most of the time not.
I think people do know. That;'s why parents (try to) push you into other fields.
I mean every job has its pros and cons
Sometime i wish i could play music as a job as long as it pays the bills. I work as a lineman and sometimes i have to travel with work. In a way, im touring but im still doing a "lame" job that sometimes makes me wish that id do something else. When i travel for work, my free time is pretty much non existing. I cant carry my guitar stuff with me and we work for long hours.
So yea, i dont have that much pity for touring musicians lol
Passion trumps exhaustion...to a certain extent. When I was touring we didn't have a dedicated driver, road manager, tech crew, etc...most of that fell on me (the bass player). I loved the work and I was passionate about it...until we had a series of events where we had to drive through the night multiple nights in a row with all-day stuff happening in between. We basically took turns falling asleep behind the wheel and after several close calls and damage to the bus from hitting road cones I decided to retire from that life. I would do it again though if the family dynamics we good and the support staff was in place.
Honest and brutal reality of an artist’s journey. Godspeed Sam. Your Era 4 will take you to the finish line!
Thank you for being straightforward, honest and therefore completely yourself! Keep on being you!
thanks for the kind words! :)
Hey wait this guy looks familiar. OMG it's Sam!! I love this man! I've played with this man! I've said the most embarrassing thing of my career to this man in a parking lot in Atlantic City. I have envied his playing since the first day I saw him play. He was so young and so talented it made me feel so old and so bad at my craft. Great to see him doing what he should be doing. You are the best Sam.
I have found my new favorite UA-cam channel. If i had any money you'd be my first patrion subscription and you may be still
Guy with a “real job” here. I attempted music as a career in my youth but really didn’t like the instability and unending hustle. So I kept it as a hobby and built a career in aerospace. I don’t have regrets in that it worked out well for me, but I definitely don’t like my profession as much as I like music. You should be super proud of yourself that you’re able to make a living doing something you love so much. Hope you continue to see success.
Hi Sam --- Your story and actually making this video is really inspiring. I am a fellow musician, I started out as a bass player in rock bands some 20 years ago of course on amateur level, and tried to sing. Then I went through the Conservatoire, thinking I'd stay there a couple of years... a Bachelor's and Master's later, plus a scholarship at the Vienna State Opera that changed my life, set me up now to be a full time Opera Choir member in Austria, fixed in the second opera house of the Nation and at the Salzburg Festival during the summer. Like you said, you really gotta love what you do, and I do, I cannot get enough of singing my heart out ... and then there's money. It was very, very hard at the beginning, but now through my jobs in choir, the royalities from my rock days, and my investments (that I could do thanks to my music-money) last year I made it to the 10% of earners in the country. Not bad for the little italian who could not hold a note for dear life. Sam, again, our paths are totally different, but the dreams were the same, and whether your next paycheck comes from gigging, teaching or selling your compositions, music lasts a lifetime. Ciao from Austria!
I respect you for making this video! Very good info to have. It gives us insight in this subject that no one else has dared to give us! Thank you!
Hi Sam, thank you for your honesty about your salary in the music world. General public believes that if you're working musician and backing successful acts, then you're making bank. That not the case in most situations. It's easy to get caught up in the glamor stories about the music world. Musicians like you are coming out more and telling the truth about the music business. Out of the amount of people in the music business, only a small percentage of people are making large sums of money. Most people are getting by and find other ventures to supplement their income. Good luck with your next phase on your journey. Stay positive and keep moving forward.
So happy for your success brother. 🙌 I remember canvassing with you like it was yesterday.
Dang, that's a lot less than I thought. When I go to a show and pay several hundred bucks for a few seats, I would think that the guy on stage got more than that.
This.
Yeah it sucks. After the venue, ticket agency, promoter, manager, stage-sound-light crews, transportation, lodging, food, etc gets cut out of the revenue, the artist is of course going to pocket as much as they can and pay their musicians what they think is fair
@@voodoochili12 I suppose its really good pay if you don't have to support a family and can just live on the road so that rent and food is not coming out of that 60k a year. But for most people, probably wouldn't work
@@thomasclevelandWhen I travel I blow a lot of money on food and incidentals. Also hotels are expensive. Maybe some hotel stays are covered by the tour?
Well the person whose name in on the marquee definitely gets a lot more!
Hey Sam, so glad you shared this! It's the reality of what it's like to live the life of a professional musician. In addition to the unstable pay it takes a great deal of courage to follow your passion to be a professional musician and that is meaningful!
You've done something very meaningful here. As a former touring musician that tried to establish a stable base (as a bassist) with hourly session gigs, I have found it difficult to convey to people the intrinsic variability in our wages. It can be unnerving at best. One bit that I will add, which falls under the universal question of professional validity for musicians: When I did ultimately transition to my techbro backup plan, I was mortified of putting my CV on display because it read like a who's who of unknown regional musicians. To my surprise, I have landed several big federal contracts just because a decision-maker gets pumped to talk music with someone who actually did it. Everyone wants to be a rockstar and despite the fact that I was nowhere near that...for someone who has spent their life in a suit, it just feels closer.
I also really have to commend you for putting in the work during the current musical era. I was fortunate enough to do my studio work between 2001 and 2009. Streaming was largely a novelty, Napster had been put to rest, and it allowed for this little near-decade long sweet spot during which the industry was still writing big checks before the success, versus the current landscape where you get paid after you're famous. You're killing it, man. Makes me happy to see it.
Hey Sam - Thanks for your words of comfort... People in music and arts are generally inconsistently paid - I crossed the line to visual arts. As a relatively successful artist - You can never judge the 'book' by its 'cover' - but when you do it at least as good as the original - it gives us a path to follow... As an A&R specialist - given position through Ahmet Ertigun - I'm now a septuagenarian - over 65 years since I did the first TV show[s] as a tap dancer, and started learning piano at 7 - called Best Hand Drummer Alive [Nashville 1974] because I learned Country/R&B then Soul/Roots music by '76 after featured at the Troubadour.... It seems like recently - spending too much time reminiscing when work needs to be done. Be grateful for the recognition - you are great! ... From near Media Central at the Cross Roads of Tensil Town...
Sam, from a "random" commenter on your channel, you are doing great, I myself working a "stable" job still dream of being in front of 30'000+ people and playing your heart out for 2 hours and doing it again in the next city. The impact you're making is far more worth than money, trust me, there might be someone looking up to you to say, "I want to be like Sam", and that my friend is priceless.
Trust me that " dream" gets old fast...be careful what you wish for...
The person that says “ I want to be like Sam” likely is young and does not YET have a family, a stable job with benefits and a pension. It would be somebody young who never really had to worry about dependents. I think this is a good lifestyle ( if you REALLY love it) for young single people with NO ONE depending on them. Once you have kids…..nothing else matters.
You dream tony, in reality, after having done it a couple of times it becomes a normal thing.
Problem is he will get old...the gigs will die off.....and that is when reality hits.
I have known many people in the music biz. An honest or sane artist will tell you NEVER try to make a living doing it. Music is a hobby. Making it "big" is not what you think it is (they are created or pay to play and get lucky, e.g. Taylor Swift.).
Tons and tons of talent out there...not even counting the fake ways to make music that you cannot discern as just a fan.
@@doctordetroit4339 Yep. A “ Sea of Me’s”. It’s a great hobby. I tried for years to make it in original bands….decades. Quit jobs because I thought “ How will I tour if we are so lucky?” Then I started HATING live gigs BECAUSE…..nights…..AND weekend work for what, couple hundred bucks? It never worked out but once I became a dad….F@#k that music bs. I wanted to be home. I’m on the railroad and retire in 4 years, 11 months and it’s got a pension. Man if I ever did a bonehead thing like leaving this job to keep chasing my tail in music…I’d be f@#$ed now at 58, plus….my last band was in a genre not really BIG for money. Death Metal and I was the drummer.After 22 years and we all called it quits in 2017. It’s only a hobby now and for a hobby guy I have serious chops BUT……don’t care! Steady job…..still married and my kids (now young men) know me…..all I care about. I’ve even lost the passion for music, but it is a feeling of freedom I can’t describe. I’ve cut my losses. No more crazy practice to maintain extended double bass bullshit for almost whole songs, exercise bikes to not only keep in shape but to keep drumming legs in shape, no more practice pads all over the place or guilt being on vacation taking time off of the kit. Freedom. Last time I played drums was 2017 and I rented a studio to record some tracks for my own nonsense.I miss the band camaraderie though and we keep in touch…. God bless ANYONE who sticks it out in this @#$&*&$ industry.
I feel this is amazing content, coming from his heart, honest information. I am a trained classical pianist. When I was at the conservatory of music, I noticed that the majority of my teachers were lawyers/musicians, medical doctors/ musicians, even civil engineers/musicians. That stood up in my mind. My career was in the health field/ musician. This was my combo in order to provide for my family. Songwriting, producing and home recording have given me more satisfying rewards than money. I have played in many places, in front of large and small crowds. Being a musician is my passion, but the monetary return compared to other professions does not equal to the sacrifice and time invested in improving my skills and perfecting my craft over the years. Sam, thanks for sharing. You defined the real struggles of a professional musician.
Very insightful. I’ve been touring a lot for the past few years (as a mix engineer) and the pay is great, but it sure is tough work and hard on my family, friends, and studio business. So it feels a little bit like a trap. That said, I’m grateful I get to do this for a living.
I've often felt on tour that I hope the techs and crew are getting paid way more than the band. The musicians, to some degree, have it easy. Congrats on the gig and on making a living doing what you love!
@@SamGutman Reason is the techies and crew are more rare. Ballbreaking work on top of all the stuff you mentioned. And few go into music to mix, produce etc...they want to play. You know the mammoth amount of talent out there. You must be really good to rise about that. Congrats for at least making a living doing this...90% or more never would or could simply financially survive playing music.
It’s amazing that you’re willing to share real numbers and put yourself in a vulnerable spot like that. Surely this info is invaluable to countless people struggling to make a career decision.
As someone who gave up the idea of pursuing a career in music and instead got a “boring” job, the video also helps answer some of those “what if I had….” questions that have lurked in the back of my mind ever since.
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, and I wish you the best of luck in your evolving career.
As someone who has seen you play, studied music, tried making a living as a musican and still struggles with these mental battles, I want to say thank you. This video is great and to all watching, know that Sam is an extremely killer musician!
Well done Sam! What struck me was your honesty and sincerity. You mentioned not doing the paid church gig any longer. As a Sunday morning drummer and bass player, I can tell you from the bottom of my heart it has changed who I am and the most important thing in my life is serving Jesus. Wish you the very best on your new venture!
Hey Sam, I never miss a video. You are great and really laying down important information
Thanks so much for the support!
Thank you Sam for letting us know your financial music history. As someone who has always wanted music career, I realize how very difficult it is to sustain doing gigs, teaching, sessions etc to earn enough to pay the bills. You make me realize that what you do isn’t for everyone. You must truly “ mean it”!
I played in bands all through my late teens and twenties, but also went to university (in Australia) to qualify as a psychologist. I took a break from that for a year to concentrate on music (playing on a cruise ship and at ski fields and wine bar). But the band broke up and I returned to being a consultant psychologist, whilst still playing in bands or small groups on the weekends. At various times I also sang in a choir and a vocal quartet. I regard music as a lifelong passion. I did additional courses in jazz guitar and piano as a basis for my songwriting efforts. Recorded two studio albums of my songs, then continued with a home studio set up using 😅Logic software and getting it out there, mainly on UA-cam. This means my music is also available on Spotify, Amazon, Apple Music etc. Not playing live much anymore (I am in my seventies), but music remains a central life interest. That’s along with psychology and philosophy (which provide some good subject matter for songs!).
Sounds like a good time was had.. Playing pubs and clubs in the 70's / 80's would have been great fun.
Just curious, what do you think (if anything) about the modern popular 'philosophies' of vibrations, frequencies, and manifestation? Are they recipes for mental illness? Do they relate to music/music therapy?
Well hey you did it right by having another option to earn a living instead of having to rely on music
Considering the cesspool that is social media, it's beyond refreshing to come across a young man who isn't afraid to be authentic. Everybody has a story, and it's in sharing that story that we learn about ourselves and others. Don't ever apologize for being yourself.
Hi Sam, I’m new to your channel and want to express my gratitude, appreciation and respect for your thoughtful and courageous work here. There are a lot of things to admire about this video and how you have presented it. For me, what shines through a range of human qualities and virtues that are notably absent from so much of what is presented in popular media. I think that these will be the foundation for your continued success. And that that success will not be measured in dollar terms alone. I predict that you will have a meaningful and satisfying life journey and that you will continue to grow as you navigate the challenges that life brings. I also believe that you will continue to help others experience meaning and satisfaction in their lives. … plus… well … music 🎉how joyous! Thanks for this! I wish you well!
This was fascinating to watch! As someone that never found a way to do the big tour thing I always wondered how in the heck that all worked out with rates & rehearsals. Congrats on your journey & success 👏
Thank you and congrats on your channel! I'm a fan and was just watching your stuff the other day.
Hi Sam, I really appreciate you sharing your personal insights .. I'm 61, have been through a 'rockstar' life earlier and you're right, nobody ever mentioned how much they got .. I had to code on top level to survive back then .. like as a military coder with a cover-job on top of it .. We made hilarious amount of money in the 80s early 90s, and partied like idiots. Last year I was hit by a massive stroke (blood clot in brain) and now I live pretty ok, but I have less than $50/month but happy, because my musician brain wasn't affected so I'm still releasing :-)
A military coder damn! that's so cool. Sorry to hear about your stroke, but it's great that you are able to still do music.
Hope you continue with your recovery. I have thought that three medical conditions can really inhibit playing ability, and you got hit with at least one of them: deafness, arthritis and stroke. Five years ago I suddenly lost hearing in one ear so I no longer hear stereo. It is harder to locate sound sources (like a concealed cell phone) plus picking out parts in a mix.
Even with these challenges I still find it worth the effort to learn new material.
Thank you for your openness. 🙏🏻🎼
Great vid! Much needed for musicians and fairly realistic insight.
I do a $350 church gig but it really stretches me out. I love it cause I always loved gospel music.
Your path is similar to a lot of my friends and contemporaries and is a great insight to the life of a musician.
This church gig you do and get paid for, do you work for the church and are you a Christian?
Well explained!! I have been a local performing musician most of my life. Other musicians generally don't want to discuss the things you just did. Thanks and all the best to you!!
Great video man. People have such a distorted view of what a gigging musician makes. I played keys on a mariah carey tune once and everyone i told thought i must have made a fortune lol! Nope, $500 for my studio time.
What an awesome journey! I had similar era 1 and era 2 experiences, but my "big break" was figuring out that as a versatile multi-instrumentalist and singer in many genres, I can make a very decent living from private event, corporate, and wedding gigs, charging higher prices just playing solo. This gives me the freedom to re-invest some of what I make into my artist career, building my email list, marketing my shows, etc. So my next goal is similar to yours in a way, where I'm seeking to connect more directly with the people that like my music and build up that audience
10:39 "Too be a professional musician, you have to have a really high tolerance for financial instability"...This is so true and why I can't do it. I studied audio engineering in college and did a few small live sound gigs in the city, audio for short films, and also setup A/V for conferences. Honestly, I hated it as it was freelance and I never knew when I would get another gig and I was unsuccessful because I made like $5,000 a year doing audio stuff so I did other part time jobs that I hated to help me financially. I do tech now which pays fine and is far more stable than anything in the music field but is certainly not as interesting. I admire you for being able to pay for your needs doing what you love with music. Most can't say that from what I've seen.
What a good post! I’m routing for you. You are talented; you have passion; you are an entrepreneur a survivor; have a great personality; you seem sincere; you’re open and you’re putting yourself in the race and DOING A GREAT JOH! Very refreshing!
9:25 “I don’t know why money has to be … this … sensitive and private topic”: my take - taboos enforce silence, so unfairness and wrongdoing are not exposed and exploitation can continue to benefit those in power. Great video, thanks for your honest sharing! And well done for sticking it out and making it this far 💪
Money is not such a sensitive or private thing for musicians to discuss anymore. Now, most musicians are open about it and tell it like it now is. Years ago, when musicians were making millions, it was more sensitive and private, but those days are over. Now, musicians will tell you how hard it is and the syruggles they go through these days just to make the bare minimum to live on.
Musicians don't get paid shit in comparison to almost any other job.
Taylor Swift's net worth may seem impressive and places her among the highest-earning musicians in the world. However, when compared to the top earners in other industries, it falls short.
Here's a breakdown:
Music Industry:
* Taylor Swift's net worth is estimated to be around $1.1 billion.
* Other top-earning musicians include Jay-Z, Kanye West, and Paul McCartney, whose net worths are significantly higher, often reaching several billion dollars.
Other Industries:
* Technology: Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Bill Gates are among the wealthiest individuals in the world, with net worths in the hundreds of billions.
* Finance: Warren Buffett and Bernard Arnault are also in this category, with net worths exceeding $100 billion.
* Real Estate: Stephen Ross is a notable figures in this industry, with significantly higher wealth than Swift.
While Taylor Swift's net worth is substantial, it's important to note that the top earners in other industries, particularly technology and finance, often possess wealth on a different scale. This is due to factors such as the nature of their businesses, the scale of their operations, and the exponential growth potential of these industries.
However, the way this wealth is distributed doesn't account for the fact that technologists often base the exponential demand for their services on content which they do not pay for.
This is an injustice imho.
Thanks for the honesty. There is so much more to learn from real world experience rather than just watching the veneers.
I did a tour back in 2018 for an official tribute band of a super famous band. I was just subbing for three weeks for their regular drummer.
We toured the US playing in 7 or 8 different states. The band was great and the working conditions were nice. Techs, tourbus, food, hotels etc.
The pay however was barely worth it.
We were employed by the band's corporation and they refused to 1099 me as a freelance worker. I asked for this as I was only filling in for 3 weeks, but they said I had to be an official employee.
In this capacity, withholdings were immediately taken from my paycheck, but the biggest sting came when I had to pay my accountant to fill out multiple state income tax returns for all of the states I had worked in.
I didn't see that one coming, as when I have toured before it was always in the capacity as a self employed 1099d musician.
If I had known, I would have asked for extra money to pay my accountants fees. It cost me around a fifth of my total gross pay.
I was also not compensated at all for my preperation time, which consisted if 8 hour days for one month. Not only was I playing drums but had to sing bvs on all songs. It was a steep learning curve.
A close friend was the singer in a famous legendary band for over 10 years. She was in the spotlight as the front person on stage and had the skills and looks to make that band pop. After ten years of world tours she was only making avg $500/gig. The others all made over $5,000 each. She even had songwriting credits on their newer albums. They refused to budge and she quit.
Thanks for that deep view into your life, Sam
I'm 64 years old and for me I've learned that "Success" is being happy in your life, nothing more. The more money I made along the way, the less happy and therefore successful I was. Now in retirement, I've never been happier. Not the way the world tells us to think at all.
Excellent, accurate and heartfelt video. Most people don't realize the reality of the working musician life. Thanks for sharing and best of success to you in the future!
Keep at it man, insightful content from someone out there doing the hard yards is so refreshing compared to a lot of these UA-cam bullshit merchants. And I hear you - I just turned 35, 100+ days a year on the road, I'm ready to become shoe salesman at this rate...
Thanks man! and yeah sometimes I wish I could just get paid for painting walls while listening to podcasts.
Bless you, man. Been pursuing music for 20+ years and although it’s never paid any bills and I work a corporate job…I still need to create. “Such an ache and longing to be seen, to be heard. And you want it to matter while you’re here on this earth.”
Thanks for sharing this! I started as a singer/songwriter in 1997. Did hundreds of shows and got paid anywhere from $0-$1,000 (to barely live). Then in 2006 I licensed music to MTV Viacom to play in a few shows. And thought “I made it.” Then, 2 YEARS later I get a few hundred dollars in royalties here and there. So I quit. But just a few weeks ago I re-released all the music I did. Mostly instrumental. And I made $3 in streams from 8 albums of music (in a month). It’s a TOUGH business. I do it for me now. In reality, the only people making great money nowadays are established musicians with large followings, from a while back, and the streaming companies.
Great and honest video. Good luck and success in the music world. I turned from the scientific to the music world, studied at Berklee, made a living as a recording engineer and at age 70 turned back to playing the guitar. Anything is possible. Here is to the love for music!
Thanks for sharing, I’ve always wondered what side musicians in big touring acts make. I personally think you deserve way more 😊. I would have thought the Coachella gig including rehearsal would be like 5-10k.
There are lots of UA-cam videos like this from touring musicians that lay it all out there and telk you that the days of making big money in music is over and you have to work much harder than a "9-5" job just to make the bare minimum to live on
Thank you so much for sharing!! Super super relatable and confirming that this IS in fact what a professional musician’s life is like (from one to another).
As a part time professional musician with a “real job” I can say I admire musicians who can make a living doing what they love.
Great video. I live for music but so far haven't found a way to make enough money doing it. Thank God for my work as an entrepreneur in the tech sector. Plugging an ad in a video sounds like a great idea. My favorite UA-camrs do it and it doesn't bother me. I understand that they need to make money. You seem to be on the right track! I hope things go incredibly well for you!
Let me tell you straight up as a musician who transferred into a high paid non music line of work - im really not sure I made the right choice. Ive got property, Ive got a great relationship, Ive travelled.
But.
I envy seeing musicians living the life they really wanted, even as I deeply understand their struggles and worries. You only get one go around ( as far as we remember.. and , well those who persist will probably have a more rewarding musical life next time). But I digress.
My point is just to show the view from the other side that you might not hear. Most people on earth dont live a life that they are passionate about. A lot of people try to kid themselves so they can still get out of bed each day.
Thank you for these personal and honest insights, as well as breaking the taboo of talking about money.
Kudos for being open and honest, music and life. Casual musician here, subbed!
WAIT YOURE GETTING PAID???
Love this video Sam!!!
In the 80's I stumbled upon selling pot to local musicians. When I realized I could make in 5 minutes what it would take me all night long playing in some shit bar my thinking rapidly changed. When I missed a $500 sale because I played a gig for $70 with two married guys who only wanted to cheat on their wives that was it. I quit music. No more miserable gigs. I began sitting at home and just answering the door. I began making $80k a year doing nothing but going out to eat 3x a day, drinking and getting high plus picking up chicks all the time and making a deposit with them. Ho! Ho! In a nutshell that's my music story. If I had only believed in myself and I'm a talented composer and Jazz-Rock -gospel multi-instrumentalist. But my music bubble was popped in 1980 when I played with sidemen from the biggest names in the business and they gave me the skinny on the entire biz. At 67 I still haven't lost my passion for " My " music. So good luck all you dreamers. Follow your Bliss!😊
Great stuff! People who hear "get a real job" from others are generally the people who need to hear that exact message (for a large number of reasons). You worked your ass off and stayed engaged. No one can deny your level of effort. Not everyone is willing to put in the hours.
Many thanks for your openness and vulnerability about your income and career. I’m not surprised how little you actually make touring, sacrificing your life to entertain others. Sounds tough. Happy for you that you’re sorting it out.
Great video! Remember, it's not only what you make, it's what you KEEP that really matters 💯
Thank you for laying it all out there. Do what you love and hopefully you'll be paid enough to live. I wish you the very best!
Great video! All I want to say is don't care what other people think and be 100% good with doing what you want to do simply because you want to do it and you will find that that is the most valuable thing you can share. That's what people are craving to know is possible for themselves and you're already a great example of it. keep sharing!
Good luck with Era 4, and every new era.
Doing the work to be genuine always pays off,... in value, if not always money,... but often both.
In my mid 50's, I am beginning my musical career, so your story resonates with me.
We need more music in our lives.
Peace be with you.
Hey Sam. First time watching this be of your videos. I just want to say I think the way you have approached being a pro musician at every stage has been really considered, rational and really, pretty impressive.
I don’t think there is anything to be embarrassed about or to feel like you are exposing yourself to ridicule in any way. I think the key thing is you have chased the paying gigs (and this had the responsibility to remain financially driven) but turned town opportunities that may have been to much of a compromise from your musical ambitions.
That is literally the perfect choice. And you’ve managed to be completely successful doing that. 80K a year is a very respectable musician salary.
Fantastic video. You are the perfect balance of upbeat/engaging and actually honest and likeable. I think you’re channel is gonna explode
Thanks for making this Sam.
I happen to be a professional Electrician and a amateur Jazz guitarist.
I spent a long time struggling with the idea of trying to make a living from music and then
realized I did not love it quite enough, or good enough I guess.
When I went out on my own as a contractor and started making as much in about 15 minutes
as I would get paid for a 2 hour restaurant gig the choice was clear.
I greatly admire the people who stick with it. Respect.
Respect to your openness/transparency, honesty and accomplishments (expressed humility).
Sam it is so admirable that you share this with us. It is not easy to open up like this. I admire your work erhic, openness and musicianship. All the best.
I really admire you for making this video. The sad truth is many talented musicians are badly paid for the simple reason that they don’t know what bad is. You’ve shared info that helps others set a standard for themselves and the value of that cannot be overstated. Very generous of you to do this, Sam. 🤗👏🏽
They probably know what bad is but record contracts steal from musicians in every way possible and front money is a loanshark racket straight out of the mafia playbook.
thanks for sharing man! it's nice and motivating to hear your perspective
Awesome video man ! Love the honesty.
I love your transparency and honesty - fascinating, and I wish you all the best with your music career!
Thanks for being real. Good luck on Era 4, 5 and so on.
We played at Global Citizen last year! You guys killed it. Thanks for being transparent about the hills and valleys of being a musician at that highest level 🙏🏽
Thank you for sharing this Mr. Gutman. Things every budding musician wanted to know but was too afraid to ask.
"Putting time into the things that are really me and hoping it works out." PERFECT!!! Strength-based! Way to go bro!
One of the best videos of seen expressing honesty and the reality of what being a musician looks like for most instrumentalists working in the industry.
You really have to wear a lot of different hats so massive respect to all the hustlers out here!
Subscribed! Great inside! I work in a completely different field as a composer and musician writing for my projects on Spotify etc. And for tv/film in the sync business.
So it was very interesting to get some insight from the other side of the industry :)
Fingers crossed for your UA-cam-future!
Dude, you have a real job. You're working your butt off doing something you love to do. Hats off to you sir!!!
UA-cam and Reddit didn't exist when I (we?) was / were coming up, you had to rely on 1000% trusted people to inform your decision with their hopeful experience or maybe ill informed perspective... (example: Uncle Bobby says...). This video is truly kind in how it lays out the experience of being a full time working musician and what the path entails. Honestly, this is the type of video I wish all career options would have to show what the life looks like in a neutral as possible light with hints for the viewer to further research and decide on. Thanks for making this, you very likely helped someone make an important decision in their life.
This appears to be the most honest YT video I've seen in a long time...and I'm not even in the music business.
I teach economics at a high school and i appreciate videos like this. They really help my students.Many think the taboo about talking about money is a corporate strategy to pay people different rates for much the same work. Not sure I buy that, but it is out there.
You are on the right track. My band toured on Warner Bros records in 2000-2001 opening for Alice Cooper, Three Doors Down, other 90's rockers. Made $500 per week salary plus $20 per diem every day. I would have done it for free. In fact, in the 8 years leading up to that i did do it for free. Was never in it for the money. "We do it for the accolades", as the saying goes. In the music biz, you are either on your way up, or on your way out. There really is no middle ground, no steady gig. So I can relate to your story. I would rather make less but have it be steady than have some big payout and not know where the next check was coming from. Ended up working at Guitar Center for 7 years then started my own business, which I still do. Good luck with your channel.
Great video. Very vulnerable and open. Thank you for sharing that sincerely. It will help so many aspiring musicians to have benchmarks to strive for.
Interesting and informative, and very generous of you to share this personal stuff to provide insight.
congrats man, you're killing it.
Good on you, mate. Great vid
Brilliant insights and i can totally relate to everything youve said.
For the last 10 years i have run a guitar school for all the same reasons.
Thanks for sharing your journey.
Thanks for your honesty and vulnerability. You have to do it because you love it. 👍
Thanks for sharing your story. It's super relatable, I'm kind of at your 'stage 2' phase now and figuring out where to go next - even considering a non-music job for just the reasons you talk about. Whatever happens, it's awesome that you've contributed to some great shows with artists, whose fans would have had a meaningful experience there. Good luck with monetising your content!
Thank you Sam for your open discussion. The music industry is an incredibly hard world to earn monies from your musical talent. Best of luck in your 'next'' phase.. it is equally hard to break through as a content creator in the short term (unless some mega-youtuber happens upon your channel and shares). BTW, I like your A100 and Leslie in the background - a lovely vintage instrument combo
I went to music school when I was young. I knew relatively quickly based on the small amount of money I got for gigs that I needed to change careers and keep music as something I do because I'm passionate about it. I still play everyday, work on multiple projects, etc. but I went back to school and have worked in Engineering and Construction almost all of my adult life and make a good living (I am 50 years old). Thank you Sam for being honest and sharing your experience. I don't look down on you at all, in fact I respect you for taking the risk and following your dreams. I have a family and could not take such a risk. I wish you the best of luck! Subscribed.
We have a similkar journey as far being a musican and trying to make it and oddly enough the income as well. In my life, I'm at Era 2 aorund the 6:50 mark except I chose the corporate route. I got a regualr job so my income owuld be stable while I work on music and now my youtube channel. Its good to know there's othe rpeople out there on the grind too. This was a dope video!