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  • @MogulMail
    @MogulMail  Рік тому +4550

    To clarify- I don’t think I should feel bad when people who CHOOSE not to get the vaccine get sick from COVID
    I also labeled people against the vaccine as anti vaccine- I didn’t think that was contentious

    • @samdasamoza
      @samdasamoza Рік тому +444

      A lot of people are pro-vaccine but specifically skeptical of the covid vaccine
      Either way I don’t think what you said was a big deal 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @QuakeCorps
      @QuakeCorps Рік тому +179

      You also are disagreeing with the cdc. Kinda anti science no?

    • @deadboltzz5199
      @deadboltzz5199 Рік тому +71

      Heyy you wouldn't be saying that if Hank Pecker was standing right infront of you, you keyboard warrior!!!

    • @rynothepro
      @rynothepro Рік тому +29

      It just wasn’t worded like that in the video. But I mean that’s what this channel is all about. Sparking a bit of controversy. And I enjoy it 🙂 Good video.

    • @CarelessPlayed_U
      @CarelessPlayed_U Рік тому

      If your lifting your mask every 5 seconds are you really wearing a mask, your wearing an excuse on your face to explain away an actual non issue, did you know that even with your positive spin on a vaccine you can still catch covid spread it and die from it, I know allot more people who do have the vaccine who get sick substantially more compared to the latter being those who don't have the vaccine, those folks being old and young, huge L everyone wearing a mask your not helping and it isn't helping you and its literally helping nobody I live in a small town and all the people bringing there germs are maskers on vacation ... Why are you on vacation if you believe so heavily in this and are people who appear to genuinely be scared of the air, it's making you look like a bunch of scared unhinged idiots living out your own nightmare perpetuating the problem your so afraid of, your a stupid baseless bastard highhorseing on the stage of pandemic and altruism without the real life degree to justify your high horsing, your the problem. You need to stop talking your shit.

  • @davisgaming69
    @davisgaming69 Рік тому +4525

    But for real, UA-cam needs to fix some of their streaming stuff so you can find streams easier

    • @mhx5071
      @mhx5071 Рік тому +133

      @@frosttaco3540 it wasn't a real response, there's similar comment in other comments. It's just a bot

    • @viniciuspiucco5966
      @viniciuspiucco5966 Рік тому

      True

    • @Sapreme
      @Sapreme Рік тому +31

      It's gotten better since the first mogul mail addressing it, but barely. I actually get live streams on my frontpage now

    • @seven313
      @seven313 Рік тому +3

      You can click on the live tab that is usually in the top near other keywords, makes it bit more easier

    • @Mike_Dubayou
      @Mike_Dubayou Рік тому +6

      @@frosttaco3540 don’t respond to bots please

  • @defmonk0
    @defmonk0 Рік тому +9

    I'm on the board for a (much smaller, ~5k) convention on the east coast, and I think the change in requirement might have come from talent. They're the draw, and people show up to see them. If they weren't willing to come without a stricter policy, that's a major reason to do it. Generally, if people are upset, you weather the storm and let it blow over. Talent upset? That jeopardizes the whole event. The swap probably broke even on the number of people mad, but the hassle of handling refunds and attempting to enforce the policy are far more effort. I'd be surprised if a change-up like this didn't have an additional impetus.
    I assume there was something else because pre-order sales can seem pretty low. 15k doesn't seem unexpected or bad 2 months out if you're looking for 30k attending, since a lot of people buy last-minute or on-site if it's available. I don't think they'd be scared enough for those numbers to warrant something like this, since the trade-off can't be that big a difference.
    The final alternative is they're just banking on people not getting refunds.

  • @TheCosmicUprise
    @TheCosmicUprise Рік тому

    The fact that you just get into the topic instead of beating around it is so nice

  • @Patterrz
    @Patterrz Рік тому +833

    Conventions keep doing this "no requirements, oops people are mad, ok requirements" thing that just ends up making everyone upset

    • @Ggzerbe4
      @Ggzerbe4 Рік тому +38

      Yes It’s partly the constant goal post moving that pissing everyone off. The other part is that people are treating each other like 2nd class citizens over this. It’s disgusting

    • @RiseUpToYourAbility
      @RiseUpToYourAbility Рік тому +30

      Because the people that bought the tickets are the ones ok with whatever guidelines were set in place. Why are you trying to appease people who don't have money down. Corporations always make this mistake where they take their target demographic for granted, and chase after people outside of their target demographic. This in turn makes them lose their core audience, and then everything crashes and burns.

    • @baccajones5816
      @baccajones5816 Рік тому

      Hey Patterrz, you know what? You rock, thanks.

    • @VitiatusMors
      @VitiatusMors Рік тому +2

      Twitch just caved to the loud minority

    • @Sykokinetic
      @Sykokinetic Рік тому +5

      Seriously. Just pick one and stick to it. Flip flopping just makes everyone mad.

  • @ingridr8366
    @ingridr8366 Рік тому +2326

    even though twitch did switch plans ,regarding covid restrictions, the tickets were originally non-refundable but when they changed the restrictions they did send an email and allowed ticket holders to get a refund from August 12th (announcement made) to August 19th which i think was a good course of action

    • @ghostlyexe
      @ghostlyexe Рік тому +23

      Agreed

    • @DuncTV
      @DuncTV Рік тому +66

      Nah it'd be funnier to make stupid people waste their money

    • @ultimateid5486
      @ultimateid5486 Рік тому +3

      It still ruins the commitments people made for their plans

    • @EstellarLu
      @EstellarLu Рік тому +37

      @@ultimateid5486 better safe than sorry, no?

    • @TheHauntedKiwi
      @TheHauntedKiwi Рік тому

      @@browner63 Who cares? They're not entitled to anything, bunch of snowflakes.
      They also probably ban knife throwing at Twitch Con, but nobody made the right to throw knives into crowds a right wing talking point

  • @wiliwillow5555
    @wiliwillow5555 Рік тому +6

    I think it comes down to the area and how big the event is. In the US now, a lot of people are done with the pandemic and could care less about masking and other restrictions. But with an event like TwitchCon where not only cases are rising in the area but people from all over the states are flying in to the event, it could end up being a super spreader like you said. I think the part of the story where a lot of people are upset is how Twitch said one thing, but once a certain group of people got mad about the lack of restrictions, Twitch changed their guidelines to make that specific group happy (which made everyone else upset). I think Twitch was smart in requiring masks, but I really don’t like how a lot of events are changing their rules in order to please what seems like a few angry people on Twitter (bit of an exaggeration but you get the point).

  • @shironikuma9731
    @shironikuma9731 Рік тому +5

    Otakon (Anime Convention on the East Coast) did Mask REQUIRED and Vaccination or PCR test to go in. While it was certainly impossible to control everyone to be wearing a mask, most people where actually complying. Even with the strict requirements, Otakon broke all forecasts and did record numbers.

  • @DangerErin
    @DangerErin Рік тому +615

    I think more people would be outraged if showering a day before attending the event was a mandate

    • @criticaltipper7699
      @criticaltipper7699 Рік тому +50

      Well obviously! We all know that the mandate should be day of, have you seen some of these people

    • @danielled168
      @danielled168 Рік тому +39

      Leslie

    • @Tarxon
      @Tarxon Рік тому +5

      As someone who has spent a couple of weeks without a shower during 2020, I would argue that 3 back-to-back days are the bare minimum to actually have a somewhat decent level of hygiene.

    • @deadboltzz5199
      @deadboltzz5199 Рік тому +51

      @@Tarxon take that to the grave

    • @GobaGNon
      @GobaGNon Рік тому +41

      @@Tarxon why would you willingly admit this. You couldn’t torture this out of me

  • @reilly3327
    @reilly3327 Рік тому +1025

    I think it should be noted that Nick has been planning this event to run alongside Twitchcon for months.

    • @MogulMail
      @MogulMail  Рік тому +815

      yeah presumably but he used this as the announcement and marketing for the event

    • @Mazzolium
      @Mazzolium Рік тому +46

      @@MogulMail except it’s a free event and if you watched 10 minutes of his intro in his stream yesterday you would understand he just wants everyone to be welcome. Pro choice!

    • @Broski2445
      @Broski2445 Рік тому +80

      @@reilly3327 I don't see how you are against safety and planning to do a event, this event will end the same way as tanacon

    • @ramiza.3rebeh955
      @ramiza.3rebeh955 Рік тому

      @@Mazzolium You're so brainwashed if you think not having a vaccine is progressive and welcoming. People used to look up to america now you're just a laughing stock

    • @chillindylan2696
      @chillindylan2696 Рік тому +6

      @@syrasmine bro i hope to god you aren't a pro-choice person when it comes to abortions

  • @trumtrum5510
    @trumtrum5510 Рік тому

    That amount of English Classes for school definitely helped, these videos are wonderfully crafted, presented, and narrated. Thanks for the mail.

  • @azmilog
    @azmilog Рік тому

    great video as always love the mogul mails:)

  • @Sam78574
    @Sam78574 Рік тому +897

    I’m glad the mogul mails are coming back some of my favorite relaxing content also nice Bo Burnham merch

    • @MogulMail
      @MogulMail  Рік тому +330

      I LOVE BO

    • @Terp0
      @Terp0 Рік тому +22

      @@MogulMail GIGACHAD Bo Burnham enjoyers

    • @eskra24
      @eskra24 Рік тому +1

      @@MogulMail Ludwig used to be one of my favorite streamers to watch. Especially during the subathon and jump king. I hope he wakes up and realizes the absolute non sense of the left-leaning or far left friends he has. There is a huge red wave coming and I want him to be on the Right side 😘🇺🇸

    • @shamaur6951
      @shamaur6951 Рік тому +20

      @@eskra24 “Trump is lord” lol ok

    • @MrUgleh
      @MrUgleh Рік тому

      Bro that shits Hitchhikers Guide merch /s

  • @cosmo5217
    @cosmo5217 Рік тому +55

    This sounds like the next tanacon except Covid instead of heat stroke

    • @DaraxXxDevious
      @DaraxXxDevious Рік тому +4

      the beauty of that is everyone going will have signed up to possibly get covid, whereas the people going to tanacon did not sign up to possibly get heat stroke.

  • @YURI-OFFICIAL
    @YURI-OFFICIAL Рік тому +4

    “cant get pngs pregnant” from qt replying to chance has me dead

  • @danclarke6099
    @danclarke6099 Рік тому +3

    Large companies and events should be looking at local laws as a minimum guide and making best interest decisions to tighten those where needed. The only reason I can see to change those decisions is if for example an area went from none to very little cases to an alarming amount of cases (encouraging the event to tighten their rules)

  • @collincolglazier
    @collincolglazier Рік тому +1937

    Hey Lud, I just wanted to say that your last 24 hour live stream was one of your best streams ever!

  • @Jcod_
    @Jcod_ Рік тому +215

    I might be wrong about this, but if I were Twitch, I wouldn't look at twitch con like a money making event. I'd look at it as marketing. Twitch is developing a community around their platform and no matter what you do on the platform, they make money off of you being on it. Ideally, the event breaks even or is profitable, but it isn't a huge loss as long as it keeps people excited and staying on Twitch. The competing event basically fulfills the same function of TwitchCon without Twitch spending money on it and will be where people they've alienated by their change of policy will be able to go. I think it is likely a win for Twitch.

    • @anonymousnothing9502
      @anonymousnothing9502 Рік тому +10

      That’s a pretty good way of thinking about it

    • @Chachixo
      @Chachixo Рік тому +6

      Yeah I think with most huge events like this the goal is mostly to break even including paying the staff. The trouble is that the investment is huge. Hopefully they budgeted with smaller attendance in mind.

    • @Senza_1
      @Senza_1 Рік тому

      A community of bikinis, hot tubs, far left favoritism, and sexism.

    • @_ZERO
      @_ZERO Рік тому

      The sole purpose of marketing is to make... Ah I forgot

    • @bored588
      @bored588 Рік тому

      if twitch cared about marketing they would have an 18+ section so advertisers wouldnt be wherry about they children's game ad appearing right after some chick showed her chevage while riding a banana floaty. all im saying is twitch would make much, much more money, keep advertisements separated to appease the companies, and the people streaming the content would end up making more money because it would bring people who would have never been to twitch to the site and they will donate to see a girl fart so trust me, revenue would go up. the only reason the people streaming the content dont want a 18+ section is A. 15%-25% of their audience are minors B. they dont want to be called sex workers which I mean, little late for that once your chocolate starfish is on onlyfans.

  • @muhammadfahad4601
    @muhammadfahad4601 Рік тому

    Keep up the Mogul Mail, Lud. I appreciate it!
    And although it seems better to stick to the same policies for an event, they can be changed if the scenarios change ofc. And among other things, organizations such as Twitch should not be so reckless and make policies that end up changing. Restrictions and requirements for an event are primary in event organization and if the smart people at Twitch cannot come up with an elaborate policy, then it feels like they need a better event management team or stakeholders.

  • @iamjules23
    @iamjules23 Рік тому +7

    btw a lot of people did get sick after eu twitchcon so thank god they’re trying to do something this time

  • @BrennanHopkins
    @BrennanHopkins Рік тому +757

    It is really funny to spend money that Twitch gave you to host an event that will compete directly with Twitch's own event, too bad it's for this reason though

    • @nateb949
      @nateb949 Рік тому

      I think it’s funny how people still think being vax’d will stop transmission when the cdc said the opposite. Also, you should see how many masks are in the ocean and forest now.

    • @thalion3410
      @thalion3410 Рік тому

      and that its going to fail because of... you know. proof of vax and needing to wear a mask. we're done. no more.

    • @chumbue6537
      @chumbue6537 Рік тому +18

      For this reason? Why do you act as if Nick is just now throwing this event together? He's been working on this for months

    • @maksymilian4000
      @maksymilian4000 Рік тому +19

      @@chumbue6537 so did twitch

    • @chumbue6537
      @chumbue6537 Рік тому +8

      @@maksymilian4000 What is your point? And why should I care?

  • @dalayneejo
    @dalayneejo Рік тому +459

    i am amazed twitch is still the biggest livestreaming platform when they make the dumbest business decisions on a regular basis.

    • @perrystuart8035
      @perrystuart8035 Рік тому +43

      Owned by Amazon. You need to be amazed no longer.

    • @remcon559
      @remcon559 Рік тому +16

      I guess part of it is the community "keeping it alive" which still adds so much to twitch

    • @nagow_360
      @nagow_360 Рік тому +2

      @@perrystuart8035 amazon is one of the largest companies on earth lol. I dont think your point really stands

    • @Sopsy_Hallow
      @Sopsy_Hallow Рік тому +15

      @@nagow_360 i think that is their point. it's owned by one of the biggest companies which is why they havent fallen yet due to their bad business practise. kinda like the parent company, who also hasnt fallen yet despite horrendous business practises

    • @Elijah-ed5xk
      @Elijah-ed5xk Рік тому +1

      Twitch staff often behave like teenagers... It's weird

  • @NovaPog37
    @NovaPog37 Рік тому +5

    Ludwig, over the past year you've grown to become one of my favorite creators, your deep understanding of the internet and simple honesty has yet to be matched by any other creator of your genre

    • @MassShrooms
      @MassShrooms Рік тому

      lol imagine thinking he is gonna read that.

    • @NovaPog37
      @NovaPog37 Рік тому +1

      @@MassShrooms lol imagine wasting your time telling me that, I really don't care if he reads it or not, I just wanted to say it

    • @MassShrooms
      @MassShrooms Рік тому

      @@NovaPog37 lol you got me champ. 🤣

  • @chalooby3403
    @chalooby3403 Рік тому +1

    Man I love this channel, so entertaining

  • @gdaw8326
    @gdaw8326 Рік тому +68

    I think this is arguably the best “keep you up to date” show on UA-cam

    • @iLL_WiLL_
      @iLL_WiLL_ Рік тому +5

      Agreed, most of this stuff I wouldn't have even known about considering how little time I spend on Twitter.

    • @gdaw8326
      @gdaw8326 Рік тому +4

      @@iLL_WiLL_ same here, I’d like to keep my sanity but news without bias is so rare nowadays

  • @Tepiig
    @Tepiig Рік тому +96

    ludwig i think its cool that you are interacting with everybody in this comment section, havent seen many large creators do that. keep up the good work!

  • @rufiooo7
    @rufiooo7 Рік тому +2

    Following local government guidelines is probably the best way to go about it, if guidelines change then venue rules change as well

  • @Gamekillaz
    @Gamekillaz Рік тому

    The fuck it baby it's done part was funny af 🤣

  • @BardicRJ
    @BardicRJ Рік тому +40

    Went nearly 3 years without covid, went to Twitch Con AMS and got BLASTED with that viral load

    • @Mynemislev
      @Mynemislev Рік тому +16

      maybe don’t word it like that lmao

    • @Hevvvyyy
      @Hevvvyyy Рік тому

      That large viral load huh

  • @anobsessedfan8140
    @anobsessedfan8140 Рік тому +52

    Nicks event is just going to be Tanacon all over again, I’m calling it right now.

    • @Mazzolium
      @Mazzolium Рік тому +5

      Nickmercs has run multiple events successfully. This event was already planned and Nick will still be at twitchcon.

    • @ImAddictionn
      @ImAddictionn Рік тому

      @@Mazzolium yeah no shit they will be successful, i've seen replies of people getting covid from the tailgate. its a success when the time is a good time and whatever happens after isnt cared about

    • @SevenZeroEleven
      @SevenZeroEleven Рік тому

      I fucking hope so, if people are so mad about keeping other people safe they deserve to be treated like shit in the burning sun

    • @froglifes6829
      @froglifes6829 Рік тому +3

      @@syrasmine Not same time. Very close to eachother tho.

  • @susmit7080
    @susmit7080 Рік тому +1

    0:09 Lud, you are a genius.

  • @CheekyBooty
    @CheekyBooty Рік тому +1

    These Mogul Mails are awesome. Something nice to watch while on my work break. All love Lud ❤️

  • @unchartedchartz
    @unchartedchartz Рік тому +13

    People who know about Tanacon: hey I've seen this one before
    Nickmercs: what do you mean you've seen it it's brand new!

  • @skyninja732
    @skyninja732 Рік тому +29

    So he’s running a twitch con competitor on the same day at the same place…nothings gone wrong doing that before

  • @AlphaSeagull
    @AlphaSeagull Рік тому

    "You wanna meet Poki, not catch Covi"

  • @Sayori393
    @Sayori393 Рік тому

    My ideas for what is best to do for an event completely line up with yours here. I respect the way you do things and how you handle them. ✊

  • @jarkson6075
    @jarkson6075 Рік тому +3

    I love your mogul mails, it's nice to have different types of Ludwig content it keeps it refreshing.

  • @reanbowlerd5988
    @reanbowlerd5988 Рік тому +29

    Lud this is probably my favorite channel out of all the ones you have, i love how much you look into the things you talk about it really reflects the amount of research you do on your topics.

    • @sub4uwu723
      @sub4uwu723 Рік тому

      UwU !! You saw the post, you need to sub !!

    • @chase6943
      @chase6943 Рік тому +1

      His team does research for him lol

  • @Imtimmahler
    @Imtimmahler Рік тому

    Emma and Soda’s responses are the best 😂

  • @a.w_.
    @a.w_. Рік тому

    Every time someone runs a competing event to a creator meetup like twitchcon or vidcon I can’t help but chuckle at the memories of tanacon and fouseycon

  • @whoahanant
    @whoahanant Рік тому +178

    Outside of all the covid stuff and whatnot I do find it funny because the last time someone made an event to spite a larger con, it ended in disaster.
    So at minimum I hope they actually care for their attendees unlike Tanacon. Well, aside from not caring about masks and vaccinations.

    • @MogulMail
      @MogulMail  Рік тому +100

      His event will almost assuredly be a success... unless iDubbz goes LOL

    • @noamchemla
      @noamchemla Рік тому +1

      @@MogulMail lmao

    • @sucker4sub8o8s
      @sucker4sub8o8s Рік тому +2

      @Kurtis bruh is that a ip grabber. 😭😭😭😭😭😭

    • @detters8849
      @detters8849 Рік тому +2

      @@sucker4sub8o8s its literally a youtube link💀💀

    • @dimitrisdimitriou4747
      @dimitrisdimitriou4747 Рік тому

      Tanacon 2.0

  • @actualnotanewbie
    @actualnotanewbie Рік тому +56

    You're right about not changing rules. Everyone is pretty divided on this so any rule will upset a lot of people, but if you stick to your original guidelines, all your complaints will come when you announce them at first, not closer to when the event is supposed to be. If TwitchCon had instated these rules from the jump, we wouldn't even be talking about them right now.

    • @nic_aya
      @nic_aya Рік тому +2

      They allowed refunds though.

    • @Evie0h
      @Evie0h Рік тому

      Right! If these were the rules from the start I’d have more time to sort myself out and decide if I can attend based on requirements and what I can do based on that. I wouldn’t be discussing this around with people if it was the same from the get go
      But the fact the literally changed rules after tickets had been bought and plans made was dumb and inconvenient, makes me anxious they will keep changing it on me. Not sure I’ll be able to scramble around and meet their changing desires on the fly just to make it to the event, but I’ve been looking forward to this for a few years so I guess I’ll have to.

    • @edledskal9147
      @edledskal9147 Рік тому +5

      @@nic_ayaMany people buy plane tickets, hotels, etc. It's not about the event ticket itself for many people.

  • @real_evin
    @real_evin Рік тому +24

    Minor correction on Amsterdam - it was still a massive super spreader event. Loads of CCs even from the US, who travelled over, caught it. For a couple days after the event almost everyone I knew who went was testing positive

  • @I2dios8
    @I2dios8 Рік тому +3

    I'm getting flashbacks to Tanacon. Can't wait to see another hastily cobbled together creator event competing with an event planned out and hosted by a big corporation.

  • @kr1spness
    @kr1spness Рік тому +40

    Tanacon 2.0, about the same level of intelligence there but maybe more funding thanks to twitch lmao

    • @Jrk585
      @Jrk585 Рік тому

      Nick has ran several events successfully and has planned the whole thing out.

    • @_congrats
      @_congrats Рік тому +2

      @@Jrk585 is there somewhere he’s talked in more detail about the plans for the event soon?

  • @AceRasputin
    @AceRasputin Рік тому +6

    I’d imagine being a direct competitor violates most contracts.

  • @aimingstarlight
    @aimingstarlight Рік тому

    this competing event against twitch reminds me of tanacon, the competing against vidcon a few years back. and god did that end in a disaster

  • @headstand8974
    @headstand8974 Рік тому

    This is like the Michael Scott Paper Company arc of the office

  • @Thewallace7347
    @Thewallace7347 Рік тому +75

    They should probably just pick a rule set and stick with it. You know there is gonna be at least one guy who read the rule when he bought the ticket, didn't know that it changed, and will try to get into the event without a negative test result because he didn't know. Changing the rules after ticket sales is like changing the user agreement after signing, isn't fair to the customer.

    • @_congrats
      @_congrats Рік тому +2

      Or at least offer refunds or some sort of bonus to people who already bought tickets before the policy changed

    • @cats1970
      @cats1970 Рік тому +2

      @@_congrats they do offer refunds for tickets bought up until Aug 19th

    • @_congrats
      @_congrats Рік тому +1

      @@cats1970 oh, I didn’t know that! Ty for clarifying :D

    • @Bated.
      @Bated. Рік тому

      @@_congrats but its not just the event ticket. Its plane tickets, hotel tickets, etc.

  • @Supersayan999
    @Supersayan999 Рік тому +45

    Will we ever get Ludwig doing a mogul mail video on an actual email question?
    Also if a faze guy and the sonii guy agree on some thing, you should probably move in the opposite direction .

    • @Sets.
      @Sets. Рік тому

      @@Chkprofilename *no*
      Emotional Damageee

  • @hackerling
    @hackerling Рік тому +3

    mask stuff aside, historically content creators hosting conventions as a competition/protest to a bigger event has always gone sooooo well....

  • @HydroniteTB
    @HydroniteTB Рік тому +2

    UA-cam just needs to add a “streaming” tab for ease of access to find streams, they have a video and shorts tab for the medium and short form fans so long form fans should also get something too

  • @eggs8818
    @eggs8818 Рік тому +26

    Thank god nickmercs took all the sweaty warzone players to another building, thank god

    • @thewenzday
      @thewenzday Рік тому +1

      *apex nice try bud

    • @FBZOMBlES
      @FBZOMBlES Рік тому +2

      says the stinky ludwig subscriber

    • @eggs8818
      @eggs8818 Рік тому +3

      @@FBZOMBlES jokes on you i'm not subscribed to ludwig

  • @adondesimpson6958
    @adondesimpson6958 Рік тому +6

    so he's doing tanacon 2.0.... I bet it'll go great

  • @victor-oh
    @victor-oh Рік тому

    I just realized, Ludwig prepares tabs as if they were slides in a slideshow

  • @m1lkt04st
    @m1lkt04st Рік тому +2

    It makes sense why twitch con would update their guidelines. SDCC returned earlier this year and it had harsh covid guidelines, so it’s just obvious that another con in the same area/building would take the same precautions. I hope twitch con has as good as staff as SDCC because guards there were super strict about the mask rules.

  • @Vincent-dl9zv
    @Vincent-dl9zv Рік тому +158

    Regardless of why Twitch actually did it, cases ARE surging in the area where they're holding TwitchCon. Their reasons could be profit-motivated, but in this case, it aligns with trying to help keep cases down. Saying "don't change anything ever after it's announced" in a pandemic is an easy but ultimately reckless stance.

    • @Vincent-dl9zv
      @Vincent-dl9zv Рік тому +31

      Also this whole "oh don't change anything after you've done it" is such an dumb stance. You react and change according to circumstances. This video was kinda weird, sorry man.

    • @senatorarmstrong2100
      @senatorarmstrong2100 Рік тому +9

      @@Vincent-dl9zv yep, you learn that ''planning'' is not successfull all the time and should be changed according to circumstances in eco

    • @imgonnakate
      @imgonnakate Рік тому +16

      @@Vincent-dl9zv Agreed. They also made the tickets refundable for (I think?) over a week after it was announced. I don't get the hesitancy to criticize covid deniers or anti-vaxxers either (by that I mean faze and the people who support him lol). Probably just the editing but it felt like lud didn't want to "take sides"--normally I'd understand staying neutral on political stuff but at this point it's just science vs straight denial.

    • @rtx-kk2xq
      @rtx-kk2xq Рік тому +2

      What would you define as 'surging'

    • @ryangaire950
      @ryangaire950 Рік тому +2

      agreed, i think lud had the right intentions here but his stance should not be an absolute rule

  • @CaiRobinson
    @CaiRobinson Рік тому +12

    Nick Mercs was seriously over paid, I still dont understand that one. Twitch is hurting for money, they dont need to give Nick Mercs a contract like that. Let him stay or if wants to leave let him.

    • @senatorarmstrong2100
      @senatorarmstrong2100 Рік тому

      Its owned by amazon so they have an unlimited cash cow

    • @303TAG303
      @303TAG303 Рік тому

      @@senatorarmstrong2100 yet they're scared of unions so workers can be paid a living wage

    • @senatorarmstrong2100
      @senatorarmstrong2100 Рік тому

      @@303TAG303 unions shouldnt exist.

    • @303TAG303
      @303TAG303 Рік тому

      @@senatorarmstrong2100 neither should you

    • @CaiRobinson
      @CaiRobinson Рік тому

      @@senatorarmstrong2100 yeah Amazon does but they ain't giving that kinda of budget. Hence why Twitch is changing things up to cut costs

  • @rngQ
    @rngQ Рік тому

    Thermal guns to check for a fever on entry are actually wildly ineffective for checking if someone has the vid

  • @RustinPlays
    @RustinPlays Рік тому

    I couldn't help but focus on Bo Burnhams Merch. Lowkey happy Lud is a fan

  • @zyro_gaming845
    @zyro_gaming845 Рік тому +24

    I agree with everything you’ve said but the reason why twitch didn’t feel the need to put that you need to be Vaxxed for the Amsterdam twitch con is because the Netherlands is the strictest country in EU and you need to have all the jabs + the booster to even fly there ( from England that is) but should be the same from everywhere

    • @sub4uwu723
      @sub4uwu723 Рік тому

      UwU !! You saw the post, you need to sub!!!

  • @bernardwelsh1877
    @bernardwelsh1877 Рік тому +4

    Conventions pre-covid times were already incubators for getting sick easily. It isn't a bad idea to wear a mask to avoid con flu, much less covid. It's such a low barrier to deal with, I don't get how wearing a mask to not be sick became such a complicated concept.

  • @anaslasri4439
    @anaslasri4439 Рік тому

    watching this vid after watching the bretford vs man u game and seeing it here trending just reminds me of how shit they played and it hurts

  • @tnightwolf
    @tnightwolf Рік тому

    6:35 LUL I CAN'T LUL

  • @acs_99
    @acs_99 Рік тому +28

    Actively checking for signs of illness is the best course of action imo. People are gonna complain about vaccines and masks no matter what, but most people know that going into a crowded place with symptoms is a dick move and they shouldn’t be allowed in

    • @Senza_1
      @Senza_1 Рік тому +2

      So how would that work? If you hear a cough you kick them out? One sneeze is fine but two is ejection? Lmao

    • @ftniceberg874
      @ftniceberg874 Рік тому

      @@Senza_1 I have horrible sinuses making me sniffle and cough from drainage. Never caught the coof and never jabbed despite being stuck next to confirmed infected that were forced to stay at work because mental midgets trusted the fever BS and said they can leave once they have a fever which isn't a common synptom.

    • @ftniceberg874
      @ftniceberg874 Рік тому

      Hey doofus...you forget about asymptomatic carriers that can spread it which include the jabbed super spreaders.

  • @Piercy0812
    @Piercy0812 Рік тому +5

    I'm with you and not even for covid or non covid / vaccine reasons. People paid for tickets with a certain scenario, then twitch flipped it. I'd say those people are entitled to refunds if they want them.

    • @gatebil132
      @gatebil132 Рік тому

      I know it's a rather late reply, but i ended up reading down here, so someone else might as well. According to other comments, they did send out an email to anyone who had bought tickets before the rule change that refunds would be avaliable to them from the 12th of august(day rule change happened) to the 19th.

  • @AvecAmisUS
    @AvecAmisUS Рік тому

    Thanks for your take Doctor

  • @elevatexd
    @elevatexd Рік тому

    mogul mail podcast version when

  • @adharastar
    @adharastar Рік тому +4

    i’m glad twitch changed the guideline, no matter the reason.

  • @windowplant2650
    @windowplant2650 Рік тому +4

    Honestly, restrictions should change depending on the place the convention is hosted, like if covid’s a big issue, more restrictions, if it’s not, then less restrictions

    • @edledskal9147
      @edledskal9147 Рік тому

      I wear a mask nearly all day every day cause I am auto-immune with a neuromuscular disease called Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating polyneuropathy. I have have Covid 4 times now the last 2 years. I am still getting Covid and still surviving it despite being on immune suppressants. I simply do not believe that many people are actually dying from it now. I don't know anyone personally who has died from it in the last year. I am sure some people do, but some people die from a lot of things. We have put our lives on hold for 2 years, I would wear a mask regardless because of my disease but I think it's a joke people don't have a choice. Here in Texas no one wears a mask anymore (except me practically ) and again I don't know anyone who has had Covid in the last 6 months. Maybe it's cause of the hot weather, but either way people are so fearful of this weak cold.

    • @thomasphillips9954
      @thomasphillips9954 Рік тому

      Covid is a big deal tho. It’s bigger and worse than it’s ever been before but people have just got bored with it and don’t think it’s a problem anymore

  • @garretttomasek3435
    @garretttomasek3435 Рік тому +1

    In Texas its been over 2 years since I have been required to where a mask.

  • @talia1770
    @talia1770 Рік тому

    ive been to 2 events since covid: a declan mckenna concert in bristol september last year and a rugby game in cardiff (wales v fiji) in november of last year and at both events all you had to do was show proof of either a negative lat flow test (conformation email) or proof of vaccination on the nhs app. it takes 2 seconds to do this when event tickets are being checked

  • @chronomoss
    @chronomoss Рік тому +5

    I'm not anti vax. I just haven't gotten the vaccine. Guess that makes me anti vax

  • @HandleToBeDetermined
    @HandleToBeDetermined Рік тому +8

    The lineup is gonna be hell for Twitch Con, I presume. Went to a local con and they had a mandatory covid passport system in place. It was a fantastic 3hr queue to get in for pre-purchased ticket holders on a balmy 85ºF sunny day. The first day was even worse, the lineup was so slow that people that waited all day couldn't even get in before the venue closed. If the con organizer doesn't have the resources to do it properly when it's not legally necessary to do so in the first place, they shouldn't even bother.

  • @cordingdesert9566
    @cordingdesert9566 Рік тому +1

    His idea is great, the only way to make sure is to test at the door.

  • @Damsel_In_Distress_528
    @Damsel_In_Distress_528 Рік тому

    "Safety Is Number One Priority."

  • @gar7787
    @gar7787 Рік тому +45

    I think Twitch regrets paying this streamer $30,000,000

    • @Sets.
      @Sets. Рік тому +4

      They should of given me

    • @hei7846
      @hei7846 Рік тому +2

      @@Sets. Fr Fr

  • @dakzzy3557
    @dakzzy3557 Рік тому +18

    If you use the CDC as your authority for health and safety and got two rounds of vaccines, a booster, and wore a mask when mandated. Then you should use that same authority when masks are lifted.

    • @donth8letussk8t
      @donth8letussk8t Рік тому +8

      “Trust the science” lol

    • @MogulMail
      @MogulMail  Рік тому +8

      So we should check for vaccine and booster and do no mask only? I’d be down for that

    • @QuakeCorps
      @QuakeCorps Рік тому +13

      @@MogulMail that's not what the chief of the cdc said?
      End of July no more vaccine national mandates and the August 11th eased requirements even more so especially for events. You keep mentioning the cdc but don't know the current recommendations?

    • @bringabong4648
      @bringabong4648 Рік тому +9

      @@QuakeCorps only when it agrees with them

    • @eyesee5413
      @eyesee5413 Рік тому +10

      @@MogulMail No, both the vaccinated and non vaccinated now have same guidelines. Both vaccinated and non vaccinated people can spread covid. Having a requirement for a negative test is the only logical solution but then the tests are not that effective against the current omnicron strains 0.5+. This is just a thing that is endemic now that people need to judge for themselves how much they want to put themselves at risk. Twitch can have any rules they want for their con, they are a private business and that is their right. But to slander Nick for anything related to Covid when he is following up to date guidelines for both California and CDC is stupid. Just make fun of him/Twitch for using his contract money to be a direct competitor.
      Also just in case anyone wants to say I am an antivaxxer, I am not. I got both doses and a booster and complied with masking for the full duration of the guidelines in the correct areas.

  • @chris_vp
    @chris_vp Рік тому

    i didnt think ludwig could explain something in a reasonable time

  • @benjamindover2601
    @benjamindover2601 Рік тому +1

    Companies need to stop thinking Twitter is the town square, the majority of people don't even use Twitter. Decide on your policy and then stick to it.

  • @Imfoodforreal
    @Imfoodforreal Рік тому +8

    we had 6 people all vaxed go out on a work trip and 4 came back w covid just as a heads up vaxed doesnt mean you wont get it and doesnt even lower your chances it just helps you get over it faster and lessens side-effects in theory.

    • @EL-fc4bu
      @EL-fc4bu Рік тому

      Exactly these people are just fear mongers and just want to discriminate the unfortunate. knowing damn well they aren’t as protected as they think they are

  • @Ser--
    @Ser-- Рік тому +5

    Lud is overstating the amount of maskless people at AX.
    I was there the 4 days, indoors you would struggle to find a maskless person in sea of hundreds of people in your vision

    • @MogulMail
      @MogulMail  Рік тому +6

      From My perspective there were a bunch of maskless attendees. But most were masked

  • @lofi4486
    @lofi4486 Рік тому

    I know this is completely unrelated to the video but you should definitely make more bros vs pros that was by far my favorite mini series from you!

  • @saintceres
    @saintceres Рік тому

    I'm just having flashbacks to the headlines from Tanacon

  • @nknight5072
    @nknight5072 Рік тому +3

    Hey Lud, could you disable links to get rid of the bots, or are they exploiting something?

    • @chloemezza6972
      @chloemezza6972 Рік тому +2

      I presume he DOES have links disabled but the bots are exploiting a loophole somehow. Most channels do have links disabled but that doesn’t stop the bots.

  • @juliano345
    @juliano345 Рік тому +12

    I see that Lud is replying to a lot of comments which is unusual. Either he truly believes we are friends now or he hired someone to reply to some comments

    • @bacontheuber2499
      @bacontheuber2499 Рік тому +5

      Imagine being paid to roleplay Ludwig in UA-cam Comments

    • @sub4uwu723
      @sub4uwu723 Рік тому

      UwU !! You saw the post, you need to sub :D

    • @bornanagaming3329
      @bornanagaming3329 Рік тому

      @@sub4uwu723 weebs already disgust me you really think this would make anything better?

    • @tokebak4291
      @tokebak4291 Рік тому +1

      Naw He just did a L take and try to fight it in the comments

  • @jimthedoggo
    @jimthedoggo Рік тому

    I like how you kinda break stuff down in this channel

  • @PureChaos20
    @PureChaos20 Рік тому +1

    Personally I think the best course of action is to go off what the local guidelines are. If the local guidelines dont require much, then the event shouldn't, and vice versa. That way if people are upset they can take it to their local government.

  • @teddyshinobi
    @teddyshinobi Рік тому +8

    If a complete stranger wants to do something that puts them at more risk than myself, I do not care.
    I don't even care enough to try and keep them away from public events.
    Leave people alone to do with their lives what they want.

    • @TheHauntedKiwi
      @TheHauntedKiwi Рік тому

      This is only acceptable if there are no people who CAN'T get the vaccine.
      It would also be acceptable only if the people putting themselves at risk OWNED it when they got COVID. You should not get a hospital bed for weeks if you're unvaccinated and dying of COVID.
      It was ridiculous that people who didn't care if they got sick or others sick suddenly got VIP hospital treatment when they couldn't breathe. Antivaxxers should get to share three beds in the same room. Three per hospital, max.

  • @Abdullah_the_slave_of_Allah
    @Abdullah_the_slave_of_Allah Рік тому +3

    We all make mistakes, not $30,000,000 mistakes mind you, but mistakes none the less

  • @itsCatte
    @itsCatte Рік тому +2

    A creator running their own convention alongside their platform’s? This sounds oddly familiar to a shane dawson video

  • @mr.penguin4614
    @mr.penguin4614 Рік тому

    a live streams tab on the home page would be good

  • @dyeddank2157
    @dyeddank2157 Рік тому +3

    As someone who lives in the EU and NL specific, reasons being the CoViD restrictions were so relaxed is because at the beginning of last year and the year before that we were very on the nose about vaccines. people got invited and pushed hard to kinda get vaccines, anti vaccs isnt really a big thing or as widespread as it was in america and in general the regulations/free healthcare made sure that people were safer alot quicker hence why i think the relaxed regulations are justified
    not sure how the covid situation is over there but aslong as people who are sick/ill get tested (when going to big events) and people are enough to ensure safety of others i dont mind any regulations. thanks for the great videos/mogul mail always look forward to watching it and wishing you and the boys a great weekend

  • @ashwinbtdmt4786
    @ashwinbtdmt4786 Рік тому +12

    From the depth of my heart, I'm glad people like you exist and we need more people like you in this world

  • @minecraftguyhampus
    @minecraftguyhampus Рік тому +1

    I attended Twitchcon Amsterdam this year and there were A LOT of people that got COVID because there wasn't any requirements on vaccines and tests etc.

  • @syds8752
    @syds8752 Рік тому

    You can tell this dude was an English major. This opening statement was superb lol

  • @cheesyfacechase4998
    @cheesyfacechase4998 Рік тому +6

    My experience at PAX East this past April was pretty good. Vaccination required, mask required + enforced. And I mean enforced. Didn't hear a thing about people getting sick afterwards. They wanted a safe event and didn't ever back down from that.

    • @drcatboy9278
      @drcatboy9278 Рік тому +2

      A PAX East enforcer died from getting COVID at the con. People did get sick.

    • @cheesyfacechase4998
      @cheesyfacechase4998 Рік тому +1

      @@drcatboy9278 I didn't claim it didn't happen, only that I didn't hear anything. Of course some people giy sick. And, wouldn't you know it, someone died! Well, you see, it happens to be a deadly disease! That's how that works :)

  • @LGDOTEXE
    @LGDOTEXE Рік тому +3

    hey lud very small and very miniscule chance you'll see / respond but i want to thank you for helping me reach affiliate you and your community gave me so much help and advice. btw i was late wig creator from your 24 stream. i loved that stream as i met so many nice people originally the design was supposed to say short king as funnily enough your reddit helped me get through some bullying about my height. i liked seeing you deal with it so thanks man take care.

    • @cats1970
      @cats1970 Рік тому

      yo congrats dude!!

    • @LGDOTEXE
      @LGDOTEXE Рік тому

      @@cats1970 im not trying to be rude but can you explain what ur congratulateing

    • @cats1970
      @cats1970 Рік тому

      @@LGDOTEXE reaching affiliate

    • @LGDOTEXE
      @LGDOTEXE Рік тому

      @@cats1970 thanks!

  • @bowl3037
    @bowl3037 Рік тому

    this is defo gonna be a tanacon moment

  • @vaals1942
    @vaals1942 Рік тому +1

    This is just the watered down twitch version of the tana-con disaster