@Arif Ali I agree, would love to know. I've watched a dozen videos and I think only one person mentioned time and cost. It doesn't seem like it's something they like to reveal for some reason, not sure why 🤷🏾♂️
I can help out here. In the Model 3 SR+ it took 8 hours of charging to go 2,000 miles. In the Model 3 LR it took 4 hours charging for the same distance. Cost fluctuates based on where you charge and when. Some places charge based on time you spend at the charger rather than total amount charged. It would be a bit pointless to give you a current cost because it has changed since I took my trip less than a year ago. Recently, at the more expensive stations, charging from 20% to 90% cost about $30. When it was cheaper to charge, you could do the same charge for about $12, so it really depends how much Tesla and Edison are charging at the time.
They used to do this in earlier road trip videos. Stopped doing them around that big summer 2020 expedition where they drove about 10k miles/16k kilometers around the US.
Exactly.. so so so many stops. So many calculations and factors to be considered. too much for an ordinary Joe. Seems like it took forever.. am all for EVs but if it takes all this hustle then Petrol engines aren't exiting so soon and the current middle ground remains Hybrids....
@Case When did you start and when did you finish? Also, exactly how many miles are we talking about, the difference can be well over 500 miles (if not more) depending on your NJ origin and FL destination. How long were these "3 ish stops"....5 minutes or more? Do consider the time to get off the highway and re-enter as non-EV fill-up station is usually on the highway with no extra driving needed. Otherwise, NJ to FL with "3 ish stops" gives us NO information. Most all these NJ to FL trips require just one stop for 5 minutes with non EV vehicles. BTW, A non- EV 1000 miles trip with 4 passengers usually take about 15 hours... One can leave at 6 am and get to their destination around 9 PM... with 4 people and all the "stuff" needed by 4 people. I'm assuming that your trip was a solo trip...
I really enjoy these videos. They’re the closest thing I can get to seeing how to live with an EV. My dream is to own a Model Y at some point but these videos keep me well informed on all EVs and how everything keeps evolving. Keep up the great work guys.
Did essentially this road trip in May to meet my kids in Estes Park (surprise snow which was nice). I started in San Jose and drove to Rancho Cucamonga to my daughters before heading northeast up to i70. Didn't have the CCS adapter for the EA option. The supercharge spacing and slower V2's really drove me charging speeds. Stopped overnight in Richfield, UT which had a destination charger and that helped. On the way back I had my girlfriend and so I picked shorter days and added an overnight in Glenwood Springs (no destination charger there) and then Richfield again. That Bakersfield charging location is crazy busy and hot when we stopped on the way back. Fun drive that even my girlfriend enjoyed. Thanks for documenting your trip. Fun to see all the stops we both made. I'm considering the CCS adapter but living in CA I don't have a compelling need for one yet. Nice option for roadtrips though.
At the Quartsite AZ Supercharger, I asked a guy why he was charging at the Version 2, when there were about ten V3 Superchargers sitting empty. He was simply unaware of the difference.
@@thomasbrown7328 The charging cord is a smaller diameter, but that’s a subtle difference. The Tesla screen will show the speed of the chargers if you select that Supercharger (the red dot) on it.
Cool vid, however a tip/advice: get a windshield cleaner kit to take with you. So you can clean it during every stop. Especially for the cam view part. 😊
Staying at motels with level 2 charging makes a big difference on long road trips. I've done 3 >6k mile cross-country road trips and waking up with a full free charge really saves time.
23:45 the CCS2 to Type 2 adapter for older Model S/X in Europe does, definitely have a temperature sensor inside. Its a couple of chunks of metal with a thermal pad to a temperature sensor, so if any connection gets hot, it backs down.
Enjoy the road trip videos. I lived in Utah for almost a decade, and have taken that route dozens of time (including heading to a couple Tesla Corsa events.) And T-minus 1 week until my S arrives!
14:38 - I remember when Baker opened in 2017 with 40 V2 superchargers, it was huge! I believe it was the largest at the time. I couldn't believe how many there were, and how empty it was whenever I stopped in. Mojave only had six stalls at that time.
I am hoping with the Tesla CCS adapter, more Tesla drivers will show the charging considerion that you have shown. There are just not that many CCS chargers.
A small suggestion and I understand if it’s not feasible. Can you detail how long each road trip takes? Like total miles and total time travelled? It will help us ICE owners learn more about the pros and cons of going EV. Thanks and great content as always!
Check out the Model 3 road trip he and his gf did in their Model 3P in 2020. Florida to Louisiana, up to North Dakota, over to Montana for camping in Glacier, then down to Yellowstone, Utah, Nevada, and CA. Epic. He shows the charging stats for each stop.
I used my CCS adapter for the first time at the EA in Bowling Green, KY.....and only got 80kw. Took forever but I stuck with it because it was free charging and eliminated a stop for me. Glad to have the juice but I'll probably stick with Tesla 99% of the time.
I've driven this router several times, LA to Fort Collins where our daughter lives. I found the Wyoming route had few issues with road slowdowns and wide open chargers.
I’ve learned a ton from you regarding charging and road tripping. I have been driving a Volvo xc40 recharge for a year, as an EV pilot program for my company car and put 45k miles on it to date . I DC fast charge daily because of the size of my territory in far Northern California. The charging network I have accessible is Electrify America. Bless your heart Kyle, as I watched your whole video the major trouble you had was with EA. It’s great to have an option other than Tesla but the EA network is so consistently inconsistent , disappointing, unreliable , incompetent and frankly a joke. Your trip proves it at almost every stop at an EA sight. Your trip mirrors my daily frustrations from the beginning of your trip to the end of it. I appreciate your hopium for the network and good ole college try but the phrase “putting lipstick on a pig “ and “polishing a turd” comes to mind.
Ugh! Single digit charge levels make me crazy! Is it possible to do a road trip video where you’re not always down to 5% so we can see how that goes? I have a MYP, and the last time I ran down that low, I drove the rest of the trip home at 55 MPH, stressed the entire time. I could have charged a few more minutes and alleviated the stress! 😂
Great video! Glad Bakersfield is getting it together with charging. I worked there last weekend and had to drive 24 minutes away from my hotel to a supercharger. It would be great if they put some chargers closer to the 99 freeway. It’s a booming town with a real need for more chargers. Hopefully soon!
Nothing on 99 near Baker except tejon ranch the outlets are nice corpus/Arvin is close to 99,. They actually planned one way back when, but never happened.
I have a 3 and rented a 2021 S with the yoke for a 300 mile road trip. I thought it was a really nice car, fast, nice ride, and first time driving with the yoke. It took a little getting used to specifically the turn signal buttons instead of the stalk but I got used to it quickly, I didn’t mind it at all. I found it was easy to rest the palms of my hands on the top edges and was comfortable and didn’t get the warning to nudge the wheel when using autopilot, can do that on my 3 too but the wheel gets in the way if I have to move my hands quickly. I don’t get why people don’t like it. I do think Tesla should raise the yoke buttons so they’re easier to find by feel since there’s a lot of glancing down at first before you get used to it.
And there's actually people who would rather do this then just spend 5 minutes at the gas pump lol. This seems like a complete nightmare. I cannot even imagine my wife driving this car and having to calculate and worry about this stuff. She cannot even stand the tech in our new S580, this is for tech nerds like myself or the like, not common folks..
And there's actually people who would rather pay four times the price per mile to pump planet killing fuel into their stinking cars than spend 20 minutes charging lol
At that Baker SC location, there is a 350kw EVGo station very near by that might be a good option if the SC and EA stations are full. It might have been full too, but worth checking. I’m guessing a lot of the slower than expected charging speed at EA using the adapter is because of the adapter. EA is unreliable, but it’s not as bad as it was depicted here even when charging faster than 200kw. We know that Tesla charge ports tend to roast at anywhere near their peak speeds, so adding an adapter and another connection into the mix (that isn’t cooled) is going to make that issue way worse. Even just a tiny bit of resistance in the circuit adds a tremendous amount of heat at 500A or more.
Kyle, thank you for being so respectful of not taking the last CCS plug when there are super chargers available even if they are a bit slower. I do really worry about the rather limited availability of CCS plugs and the number of Tesla vehicles that will be shopping for the lower pricing and perhaps faster charging than the claimed “amazing supercharger network”.
Very informative video, thanks for a candid analysis. Convinced me that I made the right decision when I bought an S580 Mercedes instead of a Tesla. I just drove from Reno to Las Vegas on one tank of gas averaging 72 mph,, 29 mpg. Also drove from Reno to Malibu on one and a quarter tanks of gas avg mph was 74, average mpg, 28. Guarantee I was far more comfortable and spent far less time on the highway. Electric cars a great around town but they aren't ready for long trips.
Very informative and nice to see EA/Tesla Supercharging stops with adapter. Flo have MX refresh with front end PPF and entire vehicle ceramic coat - still had a few rock chips in PPF. Interested to know if you are getting chips and comparison with Lucid. Keep up the great work!
Having the ability to use an EA station is great - but looking at how few chargers the EA stations you stopped at had, if lots of Tesla owners get CCS adapters, those EA stations will be slammed.
It’s insane. That two years later they’re still only seven superchargers in Las Vegas… I mean, that can’t be right that blows my mind. There’s a lot coming according to Tesla’s map.
It's interesting to me how everybody is so totally focused on a car's total range, but rarely in all of his road tripping videos do you see Kyle (the King of EV roadtripping) charging anywhere near capacity (except for the start of the trip, perhaps.) I haven't taken a long trip in an EV, but when I do I'll definitely be tripping Out of Spec style.
@@juggernaut316 Exactly, you want to keep it from 5-10% to 60% let's say 80% if you're not in a hurry. Over 80% is really useless at how slow it is and you will be in the range of a supercharger anyway even with 50% battery.
if only the Holiday inn had destination charging though, I think this is the key to making EVs more viable; all accomodation having at least a wall plug for guests, i'm sure it would free up a bunch of super chargers at peak morning and evening. (10 hours sleep in the UK, 3pin standard wall plug, at 2.3kw would get our RWD M3 about 35% charge and allow us to warm the battery)
Great video. I've had 2 EVs and went back to gas vehicles for predictability, but granted they were older and I could only mostly use Level 2 chargers. Your road trip video swayed me into thinking that at the moment the ideal for a family is large gas car for roadtrip and EV for around town and day trips. After I get my rooftop solar I'll look into a used 3 or exercise that CyberTruck preorder I have but I can't see them delivering it as presented with an external load bearing seemingly crumple-free front and back.
1. We arrived at Tesla station, plugged in, now we're gonna go grab a drink. 2. We arrived at EA station, it's theoretically faster than this or that v2 supercharger by 5 or 10 minutes... - Oh wait it's not connecting, wait nvm the screen is just dark but the EV is actually charging, good... app says it shouldn't. Huh? - Oh wait no, it's not actually working, lets try the other stall, ok cool it worked, oh wait it stopped...try again. Give it a minute...ok it works now. - Oh wait the app is acting up, restart. Ok this time it works. - Ok nice it hit 200kw, oh wait it's slower than expected now, ok nvm fine now. - Oh wait the cable overheated... should we try another stall or wait it out? TLDR: Okay, we just saved 10 minutes on charging and lost 15 minutes to hassle and stress at the EA stops. 😂
@@ccsocal768 Yep, only Tesla has its act together here where you don't even have to think about it, just plug and forget, and pretty much always works: - 99.6% reliability record vs 72% for the third party chargers. - 10 vs 4 stalls per station on average, another big advantage. - The Tesla handles all the routing automatically for you, all you have to do is, again, just plug and play. Everyone else is still fumbling on this, and will likely do so for the next few years. Their only hope is for Tesla to open up their own reliable and robust networks to them, which I think is coming soon. This is why Teslas sell like hotcakes, they got the whole ecosystem worked out.
I have seen that phenomenon in Europe as well. lots of cars charging at the V2s and no one at the V3s. Maybe because the V2s were there first and are closer to the entrance/exit? Maybe because here esp. M3 drivers were conditioned to look for the stalls with two cables (Tesla-proprietary Type 2 = old and CCS = 3) and do not trust the V3s with only one cable? In any case, many "normal" people that aren't EV enthusiasts/nerds seem not to know.
dumb question, why doesn't supercharger station have windshield wipers? you can see with each stop your front windshield is collecting a nice array of bugs :)
With all the "Nerdy" Techie knowledge you have, it is great. I kinda think you need to get the darn Bugs off your front glass. Believe me you will be able to go faster.
because of your experience estimating rate of charge and expected battery projected charge to the next location is something i wish had under my belt, love the music you put into your video, brings it up to a higher enjoyment level not that it needs it
Man, I'm a huge fan of EVs, but in my humble opinion, we are so far away from having a proper EV charging Infrastructure in place that can sustain all the new EV cars being manufactured. Hopefully, car manufacturers can get together very soon so that they can standardize charging stations. Perhaps that can assist in speeding up the future of EV Infrastructure.
Went to the Mojave SC twice and told at least 5 people that they could charge faster on the V3 chargers. Amazing how may Tesla drivers don't know the difference.
Hey you were right down the street from my shitty Bakersfield house at the EA station KM gonna use if my 23 ID4 ever arrives. That’s a story in itself.
The EA stations have 2 cables on each stall but when I was charging it seemed like you can only use one at a time. What's the point of 2 cables? Is there a trick to being able to charge 2 cars from one stall?
@@BillB33525 I don't think they would build each charger with 2 cables in anticipation that one may not work. Both were CCS, no Chademo. It just doesn't make sense.
I did more research and it looks like VW did it as a compliance workaround. They can claim to have 8 places to charge when only 4 can charge at a time. Shameful.
I find all of your vids quite informative & as a car junkie I want to learn more about EV's. However, I'm not one who likes to make a lot of stops on road trips. I fill the tank, drive 400+ mi, then only have a 10 min stop to refuel. I believe ICE trips may be more expensive, but take a lot less time. I would like to see overall trip times given for the trips, driving plus stops to get a better idea. Thx again. Is there any way you can determine trip duration in an ICE for comparison? I really don't want to have to worry about the heat or cold when refuelling.
Great Video and Road Trip please tell us where and how and how much for the Tesla Adapter.. Not On Tesla Website… is it a Lectron? Please Help Thank You
He got it from somewhere like Ukraine, if I recall correctly. Covered in previous video some months back. I am not sure if it’s currently available to order.
@@jacksongil9123 You’re probably going to have to stop for a restroom break. Just match that with a Supercharger and you’d easily make it. No need to hypermile it and arrive with 5-10% if you can just hammer it and charge once.
The cars or the station really need to tell us "the car is requesting 250kW, but the station is limiting charge speed to 150kW because of cable heat" or whatever the case may be.
Got a question. i have a 2019 model s 100d. i am new to being an EV owner but thanks to channels like this i knew what i was getting into. (BTW, love it so far). my question is: can my car use a CCS1 to tesla adapter without the retrofit? i was told by the Tesla dealer near me that i can use the adapter without the retrofit up to 250 KWh. i am doubting this only because i would expect the "handshake" between the two devices to not be compatible. can anyone confirm if there is any truth to what the dealer told me? or is the retrofit 100% required?
I noticed the vehicle screen showing per kWh cost of 47 cents in Bakersfield. This seems exorbitant when you compare EA costs of 31 cents per kWh with a membership
can you put a summary at the end for how much total time you spent charging and the cost of doing so, it would be really helpful for new EV owners
And there's this comment. It would be great to know
@Arif Ali I agree, would love to know. I've watched a dozen videos and I think only one person mentioned time and cost. It doesn't seem like it's something they like to reveal for some reason, not sure why 🤷🏾♂️
I can help out here. In the Model 3 SR+ it took 8 hours of charging to go 2,000 miles. In the Model 3 LR it took 4 hours charging for the same distance.
Cost fluctuates based on where you charge and when. Some places charge based on time you spend at the charger rather than total amount charged. It would be a bit pointless to give you a current cost because it has changed since I took my trip less than a year ago.
Recently, at the more expensive stations, charging from 20% to 90% cost about $30. When it was cheaper to charge, you could do the same charge for about $12, so it really depends how much Tesla and Edison are charging at the time.
They used to do this in earlier road trip videos. Stopped doing them around that big summer 2020 expedition where they drove about 10k miles/16k kilometers around the US.
Exactly.. so so so many stops. So many calculations and factors to be considered. too much for an ordinary Joe. Seems like it took forever.. am all for EVs but if it takes all this hustle then Petrol engines aren't exiting so soon and the current middle ground remains Hybrids....
These road trip videos are so well done. They actually inspired me to do my own road trip from NJ to FL. Keep up the great work 👍
Do it!
@Case When did you start and when did you finish? Also, exactly how many miles are we talking about, the difference can be well over 500 miles (if not more) depending on your NJ origin and FL destination. How long were these "3 ish stops"....5 minutes or more? Do consider the time to get off the highway and re-enter as non-EV fill-up station is usually on the highway with no extra driving needed. Otherwise, NJ to FL with "3 ish stops" gives us NO information. Most all these NJ to FL trips require just one stop for 5 minutes with non EV vehicles. BTW, A non- EV 1000 miles trip with 4 passengers usually take about 15 hours... One can leave at 6 am and get to their destination around 9 PM... with 4 people and all the "stuff" needed by 4 people. I'm assuming that your trip was a solo trip...
I really enjoy these videos. They’re the closest thing I can get to seeing how to live with an EV. My dream is to own a Model Y at some point but these videos keep me well informed on all EVs and how everything keeps evolving. Keep up the great work guys.
Did essentially this road trip in May to meet my kids in Estes Park (surprise snow which was nice). I started in San Jose and drove to Rancho Cucamonga to my daughters before heading northeast up to i70. Didn't have the CCS adapter for the EA option. The supercharge spacing and slower V2's really drove me charging speeds. Stopped overnight in Richfield, UT which had a destination charger and that helped. On the way back I had my girlfriend and so I picked shorter days and added an overnight in Glenwood Springs (no destination charger there) and then Richfield again. That Bakersfield charging location is crazy busy and hot when we stopped on the way back. Fun drive that even my girlfriend enjoyed. Thanks for documenting your trip. Fun to see all the stops we both made.
I'm considering the CCS adapter but living in CA I don't have a compelling need for one yet. Nice option for roadtrips though.
At the Quartsite AZ Supercharger, I asked a guy why he was charging at the Version 2, when there were about ten V3 Superchargers sitting empty. He was simply unaware of the difference.
Is there a different look to the version 3’s or small print on the charger itself?
@@thomasbrown7328 The charging cord is a smaller diameter, but that’s a subtle difference. The Tesla screen will show the speed of the chargers if you select that Supercharger (the red dot) on it.
@@baldbikeboy thanks but what about at stations like in the video where’s there a mix of V2’s and V3’s? Go by diameter?
@@thomasbrown7328 That’s what I do. Over a bit of time, you can spot the sleeker hose more easily.
Cool vid, however a tip/advice: get a windshield cleaner kit to take with you. So you can clean it during every stop. Especially for the cam view part. 😊
You haven't watched a lot of Kyle's videos have you?
YES. Annoyed beyond words haha.. I could never let it get to that point.
The bugs wanted to photobomb during the video.
You’re either the windshield or the bug 😂
Model S is the most beautiful car. For some reason they always remind me of a seal . Able to slip through the water.
Staying at motels with level 2 charging makes a big difference on long road trips. I've done 3 >6k mile cross-country road trips and waking up with a full free charge really saves time.
23:45 the CCS2 to Type 2 adapter for older Model S/X in Europe does, definitely have a temperature sensor inside. Its a couple of chunks of metal with a thermal pad to a temperature sensor, so if any connection gets hot, it backs down.
Enjoy the road trip videos. I lived in Utah for almost a decade, and have taken that route dozens of time (including heading to a couple Tesla Corsa events.) And T-minus 1 week until my S arrives!
14:38 - I remember when Baker opened in 2017 with 40 V2 superchargers, it was huge! I believe it was the largest at the time. I couldn't believe how many there were, and how empty it was whenever I stopped in. Mojave only had six stalls at that time.
I’m originally from Bakersfield. Good to see the beginnings of some charging infrastructure there!
I am hoping with the Tesla CCS adapter, more Tesla drivers will show the charging considerion that you have shown. There are just not that many CCS chargers.
Exactly they sure do complain about others using Tesla chargers but go ahead and use EA chargers....hypocrites
A small suggestion and I understand if it’s not feasible. Can you detail how long each road trip takes? Like total miles and total time travelled? It will help us ICE owners learn more about the pros and cons of going EV. Thanks and great content as always!
Check out the Model 3 road trip he and his gf did in their Model 3P in 2020. Florida to Louisiana, up to North Dakota, over to Montana for camping in Glacier, then down to Yellowstone, Utah, Nevada, and CA. Epic. He shows the charging stats for each stop.
Crazy hot outside and Kyle is wearing a hoodie.
Thanks for the video. Very interesting the evolution of EV road-tripping that you have chronicled.
Drove CA to ID, through SLC, and there were 3 Teslas passing us to Vegas, but NONE north of Vegas. Didn't see another until SLC.
Often UFOs are spotted north of Vegas.
California Linda shares enjoyed this vlog, even better was meeting you at the Tesla California Take Down at the Madonna Inn.
Id suggest bringing some windex and cleaning the windshield occasionally for all those beautiful landscape shots
I used my CCS adapter for the first time at the EA in Bowling Green, KY.....and only got 80kw. Took forever but I stuck with it because it was free charging and eliminated a stop for me. Glad to have the juice but I'll probably stick with Tesla 99% of the time.
man, that Cross Turismo looks so much better than the Model S (1:32)! Another nice CT at 46:24 in Denver!
4:00 always stop in Beaver😅 never skip Beaver❤
I've driven this router several times, LA to Fort Collins where our daughter lives. I found the Wyoming route had few issues with road slowdowns and wide open chargers.
That Bakersfield station has been a dirt lot since November 2021 when it opened
I’ve learned a ton from you regarding charging and road tripping. I have been driving a Volvo xc40 recharge for a year, as an EV pilot program for my company car and put 45k miles on it to date . I DC fast charge daily because of the size of my territory in far Northern California. The charging network I have accessible is Electrify America. Bless your heart Kyle, as I watched your whole video the major trouble you had was with EA. It’s great to have an option other than Tesla but the EA network is so consistently inconsistent , disappointing, unreliable , incompetent and frankly a joke. Your trip proves it at almost every stop at an EA sight. Your trip mirrors my daily frustrations from the beginning of your trip to the end of it. I appreciate your hopium for the network and good ole college try but the phrase “putting lipstick on a pig “ and “polishing a turd” comes to mind.
The green car in the back is gorgeous 😁
Ugh! Single digit charge levels make me crazy! Is it possible to do a road trip video where you’re not always down to 5% so we can see how that goes? I have a MYP, and the last time I ran down that low, I drove the rest of the trip home at 55 MPH, stressed the entire time. I could have charged a few more minutes and alleviated the stress! 😂
Great video! Glad Bakersfield is getting it together with charging. I worked there last weekend and had to drive 24 minutes away from my hotel to a supercharger. It would be great if they put some chargers closer to the 99 freeway. It’s a booming town with a real need for more chargers. Hopefully soon!
Nothing on 99 near Baker except tejon ranch the outlets are nice corpus/Arvin is close to 99,. They actually planned one way back when, but never happened.
I have a 3 and rented a 2021 S with the yoke for a 300 mile road trip. I thought it was a really nice car, fast, nice ride, and first time driving with the yoke. It took a little getting used to specifically the turn signal buttons instead of the stalk but I got used to it quickly, I didn’t mind it at all. I found it was easy to rest the palms of my hands on the top edges and was comfortable and didn’t get the warning to nudge the wheel when using autopilot, can do that on my 3 too but the wheel gets in the way if I have to move my hands quickly. I don’t get why people don’t like it. I do think Tesla should raise the yoke buttons so they’re easier to find by feel since there’s a lot of glancing down at first before you get used to it.
The road trip videos are great! Keep it up! 🏎🚗🚙
At 45:13 did you really throw shade at Drew for getting a snack? Boy, I bet you're a joy to road trip with.
Haha.. pretty much every stop, it's: "Drew had to go to the bathroom" or "Drew is coming soon" or "Drew had to get a snack."
And there's actually people who would rather do this then just spend 5 minutes at the gas pump lol. This seems like a complete nightmare. I cannot even imagine my wife driving this car and having to calculate and worry about this stuff. She cannot even stand the tech in our new S580, this is for tech nerds like myself or the like, not common folks..
And there's actually people who would rather pay four times the price per mile to pump planet killing fuel into their stinking cars than spend 20 minutes charging lol
Kylie, how do you wear a sweatshirt in any weather condition? It's amazing!
At that Baker SC location, there is a 350kw EVGo station very near by that might be a good option if the SC and EA stations are full. It might have been full too, but worth checking.
I’m guessing a lot of the slower than expected charging speed at EA using the adapter is because of the adapter. EA is unreliable, but it’s not as bad as it was depicted here even when charging faster than 200kw. We know that Tesla charge ports tend to roast at anywhere near their peak speeds, so adding an adapter and another connection into the mix (that isn’t cooled) is going to make that issue way worse. Even just a tiny bit of resistance in the circuit adds a tremendous amount of heat at 500A or more.
Brutal. Could get from Colorado to Los Angeles in my Toyota hybrid and only fill up once.
I was shaking my BOO TAY to the music at 9:40
Those are some sick wheels!
Kyle, thank you for being so respectful of not taking the last CCS plug when there are super chargers available even if they are a bit slower. I do really worry about the rather limited availability of CCS plugs and the number of Tesla vehicles that will be shopping for the lower pricing and perhaps faster charging than the claimed “amazing supercharger network”.
Luckily for Tesla owners EA is an absolute dumpster fire.
Very informative video, thanks for a candid analysis. Convinced me that I made the right decision when I bought an S580 Mercedes instead of a Tesla. I just drove from Reno to Las Vegas on one tank of gas averaging 72 mph,, 29 mpg. Also drove from Reno to Malibu on one and a quarter tanks of gas avg mph was 74, average mpg, 28. Guarantee I was far more comfortable and spent far less time on the highway. Electric cars a great around town but they aren't ready for long trips.
Very informative and nice to see EA/Tesla Supercharging stops with adapter. Flo have MX refresh with front end PPF and entire vehicle ceramic coat - still had a few rock chips in PPF. Interested to know if you are getting chips and comparison with Lucid. Keep up the great work!
Do you think that Tesla will ever integrate third party DC charging into the navigation? It would be nice just for the hell of it.
40:00 Beautiful shots 🌅 🌄
45:54
Having the ability to use an EA station is great - but looking at how few chargers the EA stations you stopped at had, if lots of Tesla owners get CCS adapters, those EA stations will be slammed.
It’s insane. That two years later they’re still only seven superchargers in Las Vegas… I mean, that can’t be right that blows my mind. There’s a lot coming according to Tesla’s map.
GREAT VIDEO!
Oh sorry Kyle you did clean your window at the EA station love your videos 😅
It's interesting to me how everybody is so totally focused on a car's total range, but rarely in all of his road tripping videos do you see Kyle (the King of EV roadtripping) charging anywhere near capacity (except for the start of the trip, perhaps.) I haven't taken a long trip in an EV, but when I do I'll definitely be tripping Out of Spec style.
after 80% charge, you're basically wasting your time
@@juggernaut316 Exactly, you want to keep it from 5-10% to 60% let's say 80% if you're not in a hurry.
Over 80% is really useless at how slow it is and you will be in the range of a supercharger anyway even with 50% battery.
Out of Spec style all the way! :D
I've been to that graveyard. It's pretty eerie. Mythbusters used to parts for various myths they tested.
Why don't they construct solar shade roofs at the charging stations?
if only the Holiday inn had destination charging though, I think this is the key to making EVs more viable; all accomodation having at least a wall plug for guests, i'm sure it would free up a bunch of super chargers at peak morning and evening. (10 hours sleep in the UK, 3pin standard wall plug, at 2.3kw would get our RWD M3 about 35% charge and allow us to warm the battery)
Whats the protocol for queueing at SCs (or EAs for that matter)? Is there a "line up here" place?
Since you stop often… how about you clean the windshield sometimes! Bug guts! Ugh! Thanks Jim
Great video. I've had 2 EVs and went back to gas vehicles for predictability, but granted they were older and I could only mostly use Level 2 chargers. Your road trip video swayed me into thinking that at the moment the ideal for a family is large gas car for roadtrip and EV for around town and day trips. After I get my rooftop solar I'll look into a used 3 or exercise that CyberTruck preorder I have but I can't see them delivering it as presented with an external load bearing seemingly crumple-free front and back.
morning, loving it, drive safely
1. We arrived at Tesla station, plugged in, now we're gonna go grab a drink.
2. We arrived at EA station, it's theoretically faster than this or that v2 supercharger by 5 or 10 minutes...
- Oh wait it's not connecting, wait nvm the screen is just dark but the EV is actually charging, good... app says it shouldn't. Huh?
- Oh wait no, it's not actually working, lets try the other stall, ok cool it worked, oh wait it stopped...try again. Give it a minute...ok it works now.
- Oh wait the app is acting up, restart. Ok this time it works.
- Ok nice it hit 200kw, oh wait it's slower than expected now, ok nvm fine now.
- Oh wait the cable overheated... should we try another stall or wait it out?
TLDR: Okay, we just saved 10 minutes on charging and lost 15 minutes to hassle and stress at the EA stops. 😂
Yup, he just convinced me not to get one 🤨
@@ccsocal768 Yep, only Tesla has its act together here where you don't even have to think about it, just plug and forget, and pretty much always works:
- 99.6% reliability record vs 72% for the third party chargers.
- 10 vs 4 stalls per station on average, another big advantage.
- The Tesla handles all the routing automatically for you, all you have to do is, again, just plug and play.
Everyone else is still fumbling on this, and will likely do so for the next few years.
Their only hope is for Tesla to open up their own reliable and robust networks to them, which I think is coming soon.
This is why Teslas sell like hotcakes, they got the whole ecosystem worked out.
I want a counter of how many times he says he hates the yoke…😂
I have seen that phenomenon in Europe as well. lots of cars charging at the V2s and no one at the V3s. Maybe because the V2s were there first and are closer to the entrance/exit? Maybe because here esp. M3 drivers were conditioned to look for the stalls with two cables (Tesla-proprietary Type 2 = old and CCS = 3) and do not trust the V3s with only one cable? In any case, many "normal" people that aren't EV enthusiasts/nerds seem not to know.
I assume this is from before the Tesla was crashed?
Why don’t you charge overnight before you start?
Maybe all of the Teslas which came to the event were hogging the Superchargers at the same time.
dumb question, why doesn't supercharger station have windshield wipers? you can see with each stop your front windshield is collecting a nice array of bugs :)
some of them do. it's all up to the business that hosts them, since Tesla doesn't maintain the surrounding property
With all the "Nerdy" Techie knowledge you have, it is great. I kinda think you need to get the darn Bugs off your front glass. Believe me you will be able to go faster.
Yup, only a nerd wears a loog sleeve hoodie when it is 114 degrees out 😂😂😂
Should try the Henderson railroad pass supercharger rarely busy. I always use that one when I travel to Vegas from Mohave valley Arizona
If you tinted the windows and windshield you'd get some nice gains from not needing A/C on full blast.
Tesla needs to get the Plaid Model S into the UK! 🙏 Cmon!
I think all supercharger stations should have at least a restroom and a convenience store.
because of your experience estimating rate of charge and expected battery projected charge to the next location is something i wish had under my belt, love the music you put into your video, brings it up to a higher enjoyment level not that it needs it
Man, I'm a huge fan of EVs, but in my humble opinion, we are so far away from having a proper EV charging Infrastructure in place that can sustain all the new EV cars being manufactured. Hopefully, car manufacturers can get together very soon so that they can standardize charging stations. Perhaps that can assist in speeding up the future of EV Infrastructure.
I just went and plotted a trip with ABRP. Route 80 wasn’t closed. Weird.
Went to the Mojave SC twice and told at least 5 people that they could charge faster on the V3 chargers. Amazing how may Tesla drivers don't know the difference.
Hey Kyle have you considered getting a 12v cool/freezer for the car to keep cooler towels cold for the charging handles?
Dude use your window wipers and clean the windscreen for the camera.
Could you share your play list from this video? I tunes were epic, and I would love to listen to them in my M3 while driving.
dang still loving the music
Hey you were right down the street from my shitty Bakersfield house at the EA station KM gonna use if my 23 ID4 ever arrives. That’s a story in itself.
15:32 doggo!
How the heck are you in a fricken hoodie in the desert???😂
Was thinking the same thing
I literally thought it would be every comment. Huh.
Why don’t you use the wet towel trick anymore? Did it stop working?
The EA stations have 2 cables on each stall but when I was charging it seemed like you can only use one at a time. What's the point of 2 cables? Is there a trick to being able to charge 2 cars from one stall?
Sometimes one cable can be defective and the other one will work fine.
Sometimes one of the cables is Chademo and the other is CCS.
@@BillB33525 I don't think they would build each charger with 2 cables in anticipation that one may not work. Both were CCS, no Chademo. It just doesn't make sense.
@@TheAdventureAuto think what you want but I have experienced one dead cable and the other one worked fine. It called redundancy.
I did more research and it looks like VW did it as a compliance workaround. They can claim to have 8 places to charge when only 4 can charge at a time. Shameful.
Hi Kyle, did you hear about the rivian loose bolt recall?
he already did a podcast about it. nonissue.
Those trucks are going to be falling apart
@@laloajuria4678 ty
@@JPatel1995 I mean there a new startup just give them some time
I can see why Baker would not be an ideal place to charge given it is such a hub for Vegaa to and from traffic.
Lol, I know Bakersfield, CA very well. Lived there for 7 1/2 years. Tesla needs to do a better job of having more super charger coverage there.
it does not get any better, two souls drifting through time
Amazing trip , I ve stayed in rocky M. last June, Super !!!
What’s up with the multiple teslas on the side of the road? Not hating but you specifically got shots of some on the shoulder.
Hey Kyle love your videos also love the music. I assume it’s not copyrighted and I was wondering is there a way to connect to it?
I find all of your vids quite informative & as a car junkie I want to learn more about EV's. However, I'm not one who likes to make a lot of stops on road trips. I fill the tank, drive 400+ mi, then only have a 10 min stop to refuel. I believe ICE trips may be more expensive, but take a lot less time. I would like to see overall trip times given for the trips, driving plus stops to get a better idea. Thx again. Is there any way you can determine trip duration in an ICE for comparison? I really don't want to have to worry about the heat or cold when refuelling.
50 videos in…he NEVER cleans the windows…😅
lol😂 i am just departing from Denver to California, see ya somewhere
Great Video and Road Trip please tell us where and how and how much for the Tesla Adapter.. Not On Tesla Website… is it a Lectron? Please Help
Thank You
He got it from somewhere like Ukraine, if I recall correctly. Covered in previous video some months back. I am not sure if it’s currently available to order.
@@MrGweedo1234 Thank You So Much For Repying
@@theseb1979 Thank You 🙏
When I went to this Mojave supercharger did not noticed this side was 150kw only. Signage is pretty bad.
With Plaid S, can you drive 300 miles in 1 full charge? Las Vegas to Los Angeles ?
Yes.
Vegas to LA if you stay around 70mph.
LA to Vegas at around 65mph.
Better to drive normally and charge in the middle though.
@@Ryne_Realty even in the chill mode? Still need to charge in the middle?
@@jacksongil9123 You’re probably going to have to stop for a restroom break. Just match that with a Supercharger and you’d easily make it. No need to hypermile it and arrive with 5-10% if you can just hammer it and charge once.
@@nielsvandenkieboom5034 true that if you put it that way. Thanks
Nice video, do you mind sharing the size of Martian wheel and tire size you have? Is the offset similar to OEM in terms of filling the fender?
I believe Kyle got the 20" MW05 wheels from Martian, and they have a +40 offset, similar to standard Tesla wheels.
Thanks. Great video. What percentage of the time did you use auto pilot?
This is before the crash?
When road tripping, I always pack microfiber towels, window cleaner, and polishers to clean the bugs off while charging.
The cars or the station really need to tell us "the car is requesting 250kW, but the station is limiting charge speed to 150kW because of cable heat" or whatever the case may be.
Thats gonna be fun when Tesla open Non-Tesla supercharger.
Got a question. i have a 2019 model s 100d. i am new to being an EV owner but thanks to channels like this i knew what i was getting into. (BTW, love it so far). my question is: can my car use a CCS1 to tesla adapter without the retrofit? i was told by the Tesla dealer near me that i can use the adapter without the retrofit up to 250 KWh. i am doubting this only because i would expect the "handshake" between the two devices to not be compatible. can anyone confirm if there is any truth to what the dealer told me? or is the retrofit 100% required?
it's nice of you to use metric in the video
I noticed the vehicle screen showing per kWh cost of 47 cents in Bakersfield. This seems exorbitant when you compare EA costs of 31 cents per kWh with a membership
I think this is a case of peak time charging.