OMG I have been stalking your channel waiting for part 2 to drop. I love these videos. Please don’t make us wait so long ever AGAIN !!! Lol I know it takes a lot of time and work to edit videos and you have others in front of this one to post. So worth the wait. Thank you for all that you do for us!!!
My Cadillac CTS 3.6 can do 500 miles range on the highway easily. We need 600 mile EV range batteries to get real world range like my ICE. Great experiment :)
It is painful to see how unreliable EA stations have been in this video. Glad i went with a Tesla Model 3 for now. Hopefully by 2024/25 we will all be in a much better place.
@@gimmieboy True, But Tesla has shown that they can build out, better and faster and have reliable equipment. They are putting in a 88 stall SC in Quartzsite AZ... on top of the one that is already there. They mass produce the V3 chargers, and they are drop in place.. and wire up ready.
Comes down to what car you need.. and how much you road trip. I do take extensive road trips.. but only once a year or less. There are better cars built for my personal needs than Tesla currently offers.. that suit my needs 99.9% of the time. I need a smaller but practical city car with decent range. Chevy Bolt EV or EUV would be perfect for me as far as the car goes. So you have to choose.. perfect car.. with crappy road trip experience. Or les perfect car, but perfect road trip experience.
Best commercial for Tesla that I’ve seen ;) In Europe it’s maybe a little better with Ionity, Fastned etc chargers. But I’ve also seen quite a lot of out of order chargers in my recent trip down to Italy. But I’ve never seen a non functioning Tesla charger…
Ha! I saw that the video was 2 hours. Now, I know Kyle (and his dad) are not know for brevity, but… TWO HOURS!?!? I started watching it on my phone then after a few minutes I switched to the big TV, the better to take in the amazing landscape (which I traveled last summer in my wife’s ID.4 - no issues with EA charging… I have a M3 SR+, so I seldom use EA/CCS.) Entertaining and pretty fast paced. Can’t wait for Part III: The Race From Vegas!
Your POSITIVITY is unbelievable and it's amazing how you not just explain each situation but you give so much information and mention every detail to understand each pesprective of each car. what a cool and entertaining way to watch and learn EV stuff. thanks a lot
As a Plaid owner, I was interested in the outcome. Normally I don't watch long UA-cam videos but this one hooked me. Great job, looking forward to the next one.
Getting to Out of Spec videos so early sucks sometimes 😂 hi-res rendering takes so long and watching a 360p vid on a 4k tv makes me feel like it’s 2005 😭
Excellent video. This is the exact type of content I love. Would be amped if you and the TFL guys got together to do this run with all major EVs simultaneously. It would probably be a huge hit!
“You buy the car, you buy the infrastructure.” Yes. You also get the technology, the navigation route planning, the BMS, the real time monitoring, the experience, and everything else. This is why I LOVE my ‘21 M3 SR+, my “poor man’s Tesla”! I get all of that, and more, for a great price! My 400 mile road trip from SLO (Tesla Takeover) to home in Sacramento facts: 220 Wh/mi 86 kWh 22 kWh/100 miles Meaning I’d make that run Vegas run you did with ~172 kWh used. As for the return leg, I suggest the title “Race From Vegas!” Can’t wait to see the 3rd installment!
ABB expanded their service team significantly this year and has been ramping up maintenance on the EA chargers. Sometimes the screens and app say they're de-rated even though they've been fixed
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova All ABB 150s are technically 175 kW units. I just refer to them all as 175 kW or 350 kW units. Only BTC Power hardware from EA actually has a 150 kW limit. ABB and Signet are either 175 or 350 kW. Hope this helps!
You are the reason I saw the changes coming. I was in a job that I saw was ending, I sold my 2021 Outback and pocketed the difference last year. I then moved into a 2012 Passat TDI for cash. I am glad I did as the job did disappear but more importantly was I was able to get out while the market was hot. Thanks for all the tips
Great content, looking forward to part 3, just don't leave it too long :) I'm surprised to see the infrastructure is so poor in the US, in the UK and Europe we have CCS hubs with 12 -20 350kW chargers. I reckon it would be closer race in Europe... Fancy it
I came to your conclusion about CCS infrastructure being suboptimal a year ago with a Hyundai EV. Had a Tesla prior, and kept the Tesla, and dumped the ioniq 5 after 2 months of ownership.. Nothing beats the Tesla simplicity of charging. Sticking with my S Plaid... Looking forward to part 3. Beautiful road trip.
I don't know if CCS sucks, or if Electrify America sucks. I guess it's possible both suck. So glad I had my parents buy a Model 3. In 3 years I've not had a problem with my Model X, haven't even had to wait in line yet(knock on wood).
A bit of both but mostly incompetence on the part of electrify America. Their complete inability to monitor the state of their net work is just sheer stupidity. Miss label chargers they don’t know when they’re out of service they’re derated it’s just mind boggling how incompetent they are. And all made worse by there are multiple deals for unlimited, charging and error in education of their customers.
It's the CCS charge point operators in North America that sucks. Non-Tesla charging in Europe is just fine. Europeans have superior hardware and a lot more of it than in the USA & Canada.
Technically it is junk equipment that sucks (and EA's maintenance) and not anything related to the CCS standard itself. EA needs to invest millions to repair/replace their broken chargers and to use hardware that is robust.
No ea and none of these cars could go anywhere. People focus on problems instead of being glad they have any chargers . They don’t make the chargers and they have to support all cars not just teslas . Plus other cars can charge it is the 800 volt cars that have trouble.
Kyle's comment about vertically integrated charging is off the mark considering he knows better than anybody that non-Tesla charging works just fine in Europe for these same cars.
The section of I-15 y'all were on has interesting geology. To the east of I-15 is the Colorado Plateau. Rock formations in the mountains have an orderly horizontal layering. To the west of I-15 is the Great Basin where the same rock layers look like they were put in a blender. The Great Basin is divided into a northern section, the Nevada Basin, and a southern piece, the Mojave Desert. All three geologic areas converge around St. George, one of your popular charging spots. You can see elements of all three regions in St. George.
Worth mentioning that Tesla have now stopped producing the Model S in right-hand drive. That cuts out a pretty large market; U.K., Ireland, India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Singapore, Thailand, and many other countries.
VW was told they had to build a charging network, they weren't told they had to build a good charging network. A worse network keeps customers from buying EVs, is maybe VWs idea with Electrify America.
Another great vid Kyle, I like all the charging tips you mention like the one where Teslas at low charge start off with a low voltage then go up. I think I’ve experienced that a few times, now I know why it happens. @1:47:20 I couldn’t get a clear look at those red model S wheels but they look like the same ones I have on my red 3!
Air and Taycan basically virtually tied on charging efficiency/time at Green River EA. Air - 38.7 kWh / 12 min = 3.225 kW/minute Tacan - 50.24 kWh / 15.33 min = 3.277 kW/minute
If people want to go electric, then Tesla is the only game in town right now, they clearly got this all figured out. Ironically Tesla will also very likely be the one that solves this problem for the other two cars, as in a couple years or so those cars will probably have adapters to plug into a decent subset of Tesla's Supercharger network, which is the industry standard for dependability as we've seen here.
Epic trip! Can't wait for EP3. Why don't you gather a bunch of friends and youtubers in Europe, and do some kind of mega race over here? Like, from Rome to North Cape via the Supercarger in Hell, Norway. 😁 That's a 59h drive (5,132km / 3,189 mi) according to Google Maps, if you avoid ferries. Fun fact; in Norway and Sweden, you have about 4x as many fast charging options with any CCS car, than if you were to rely on Tesla Superchargers only. BTW: I don't know if you've ever considered the e-cannonball, or it that's too easy for you.. 😏 It's September 16-17th in Germany.
Watching this for the second time and I enjoyed it again . I would love to see Tesla Model X / Model Y, CyberTruck , VS Ford Mach E, F150, Rivian, Audi ETron
Hopefully someone steps up and gets a proper non Tesla charging system in this country. Ridiculous to pay so much for a car that has this much trouble getting the fuel it needs. Not an EV owner but this channel is great to watch.
The only reason why is because Volkswagen was forced to do it. Teslas charging port is way better that’s why new EVs are now adopting the port. I would prefer Tesla to be the main provider tbh
Last month on 350kW EA, Rivian charged at around 50kW, and I connected after it and Lucid was charging 170kW straight away. So most likely something to do with Rivian.
I had the same issue in Green River. The Rivian charging in front of me was at 35 Kw/h. I started my charge at 185 Kw/h. After about 15 minutes it went to 35 w/h. 🤷🏼♂️ I started at the Tesla charger but was only getting 26 Kw/h. There was no line of other cars to charge at EA.
Kyle i feel like you should personally install some chargepoint CCS chargers in this town. you'd probably make bank competing with useless EA here haha
This video is better than any ad Tesla could ever hope to create. Imagine spending more to get less. All the people making excuses for their expensive emotional support CCS cars have Stockholm Syndrome
How is it that CCS is so bad in America, here in Europe I have no problem at all road tripping my EV. Please do a comparison between CCS America en Europe, especially now almost every SuC is open.
Out of Spec has done a ton of videos on EU charging and how it's different than North America. You should check out Kyle's discussions with Branden Flasch as they talk about hardware differences in the USA and Europe.
Mainly because Electrify America carpet bombed with chargers and forgot to keep a team to maintain them. Tesla’s rollout was mor gradual, and they learned charger maintenance challenges early on. I’m sure electrify America will improve over time.
Pretty spot on with how the charging experiences go with non-Tesla EV's. Even with Tesla though (like the one he stopped at in St. George), can be a risk if you don't know like the local secrets of what chargers are faster, etc... Almost every Electrify America we've stopped at there has always been a charging station down or not working. Really frustrating especially if you're low on battery and need to be somewhere. Always plan ahead and leave room for missed charging stations. Great real, raw video! This is what you will experience owning an EV and traveling long distances. Around town, such a breeze. Not the case when you're going on road trips.
These road trip videos really affirm my decision to buy a Model Y over anything else. It's like there's two parallel realities right now for Tesla vs. Non-Tesla owners.
Awesome video. Seems like you guys set this up to be as even a test as possible. Betting odds were always in favor of the Model S because of the sucky EA network. If there were reliable 350kW CCS chargers all the way, it would be much tighter and advantage Taycan over a longer distance. Great fun to see this kind of content. Thanks guys! Hope you had fun in Vegas
Love the vid and can't wait for part 3! Really want you to do a ~$60K and below EVs version of this but know the infrastructure part of this will remain the same 🤷♂
It’s too bad that Green River Supercharger is a V2 site, which means it will not be of any help after the adapters and non-Telsa NACS cars are available. Hopefully Tesla will either upgrade the site or at least decide to add PLC modems to the V2 stations in rural/remote areas so that this craziness doesn’t go on for years to come. Maybe EVGo or the new consortium can step up and build out an actual national network of chargers to add competition to the charging situation
“Hopefully”.. Well... “Hopefully”, your wish never happens. Because those non Tesla consumers who will sponge on Tesla’s capabilities, will never show appreciation for what Tesla has done, or will do. Nor will take one minute to serious look at Tesla product. Why? Those people ran off the Cliff in non-Tesla hell once he showed some libertarian views. Especially once he bought “Twitter”.
I’ve driven this trip from Glenwood Springs/Grand Junction CO to Vegas and beyond and Green River has a massive opportunity to be a charging hub like Baker CA (on a smaller scale) and create some amazing opportunities for that small town. Would love to see that.
Tesla has a ton of V2 sites still along the I-10 corridor (El Paso, TX being the most prominent one). I think they'll just end up building totally new sites at a different site host in the same town.
Imagine getting a car that is so capable but driving it around like a 2000 Honda Insight (which would be faster and cheaper overall for your trip) good engineering solves problems and luxury cars shouldn't introduce headaches no matter what they run on!
Those EA chargers in Green River never worked for me. I’ve tried using it a few times just to test out the CCS adapter and ended having to go up the road for the Super Charger.
@1 hour 29 mins - that’s my zenith red GT that Kyle Connor spotted! Had a brief handshake moment with Kyle: I was so starstruck that I forgot his name. I’m such a dork. Anyway, it is curious that the charging stall Kyle used gave him the best charge session of the day, while that very same charging stall, from which I had just unplugged as Kyle pulled up, gave me my WORST charging session that day. I was driving in the opposite direction, towards Denver CO. On my return trip through UT I made a mental note to avoid the St George-Washington UT EA DCFCs because of my poor experience a week earlier, the day I ran into Kyle.
Ok, time to change this up, Ioniq 6 Rear wheel drive long range with 18" Fastwheel EV01+ wheel will be the road king on your next race to Vegas! Comfortable, quiet, and likely very efficient with its great charging, mind you CCS is still the wildcard. By the way my Ionq 5, 20" Fastwheels EV01+ with my Micheline Cross climate 20" 245/45 (my fall and winter tires) fit with a set of WHEEL CONNECT Hub Centric Rings, 67.1 to 64.1 on to my Model Y!!!
It's amazing how bad the US CCS network is. Here in Europe we have so many different charging providers and stations that non-tesla drivers (including myself) primarily use the Tesla charging stations because they are cheaper, not because they are better. And many Tesla owners use all the other charging providers as well (same connector for all in Europe). The longest I have been waiting for a charger was around 5 minutes, and that was only because I didn't want to drive 10 meters / 30 yards (ish) to another provider whose 4 300KW chargers were all available...
It wasn't unusable for me on my last trip but damn if it wasn't a poor experience. EA stations were down by 1-2 chargers and there were queues at most of them waiting for a unit to free up. Fortunately, there were Starbucks-Volvo CPE250s nearby in a couple of locations along my route, but what working HPC infrastructure there is, is overwhelmed. I really hope Circle K and others deploy hardware soon.
Kyle please keep making the non Tesla videos as long as you also make these judgement day real life videos too. All kidding aside I want the infrastructure to improve for everyone but other carmakers are totally dropping the ball now. History will remember.
You should give the times of the three cars to Las Vegas with charging times & driving only … subtract any waiting times to charge, and show us those results… if driving at night, you might not have had any wait times
If I didn't know better, I would've thought Kyle and crew went on strike. 2 weeks?!?!?! That was one hell of a cliff hanger to leave us on!!!
They went to Tesla Takeover. I know because we got to hang out with them after for a drive through the canyons. It was a blast! 🐍😎
Still waiting at CCS charger...
@@normt430 😂
Some say they're still waiting in line at Green River Coffee EA station to this day!
@@ALRinaldi 😂
A dream content for EV nerds. Thanks to your videos, we went for a Tesla as our second EV. We already have an ID.4.
OMG I have been stalking your channel waiting for part 2 to drop. I love these videos. Please don’t make us wait so long ever AGAIN !!! Lol
I know it takes a lot of time and work to edit videos and you have others in front of this one to post. So worth the wait. Thank you for all that you do for us!!!
My Cadillac CTS 3.6 can do 500 miles range on the highway easily. We need 600 mile EV range batteries to get real world range like my ICE. Great experiment :)
I have been waiting for this video for more than a week. Such entertaining content.
Mee, too. And now it is late on sunday already.
I don’t want pan on racing to Vegas Maybe a one day to build mega packs or semis
It is painful to see how unreliable EA stations have been in this video. Glad i went with a Tesla Model 3 for now. Hopefully by 2024/25 we will all be in a much better place.
It's got to the point we're just glad if the charger works at all.
My fear is long lines as Tesla opens the charging up to everyone. There are already lines now at some.
@@gimmieboy
True, But Tesla has shown that they can build out, better and faster and have reliable equipment.
They are putting in a 88 stall SC in Quartzsite AZ... on top of the one that is already there. They mass produce the V3 chargers, and they are drop in place.. and wire up ready.
Comes down to what car you need.. and how much you road trip.
I do take extensive road trips.. but only once a year or less.
There are better cars built for my personal needs than Tesla currently offers.. that suit my needs 99.9% of the time. I need a smaller but practical city car with decent range. Chevy Bolt EV or EUV would be perfect for me as far as the car goes.
So you have to choose.. perfect car.. with crappy road trip experience. Or les perfect car, but perfect road trip experience.
@@kens97sto171 we need them in the southern Eastern Coast the same way.
Best commercial for Tesla that I’ve seen ;) In Europe it’s maybe a little better with Ionity, Fastned etc chargers. But I’ve also seen quite a lot of out of order chargers in my recent trip down to Italy. But I’ve never seen a non functioning Tesla charger…
Yes in Europe Ionity is about as reliable as Tesla. But in the US EA sucks.
Smart of tesla to re-guide you to non-offline superchargers. 👌
Great comment tyvm
This is better than watching most movies. You guys should do more videos like this one.
Ha! I saw that the video was 2 hours. Now, I know Kyle (and his dad) are not know for brevity, but… TWO HOURS!?!?
I started watching it on my phone then after a few minutes I switched to the big TV, the better to take in the amazing landscape (which I traveled last summer in my wife’s ID.4 - no issues with EA charging… I have a M3 SR+, so I seldom use EA/CCS.)
Entertaining and pretty fast paced. Can’t wait for Part III: The Race From Vegas!
Lucid should have charged more why does Taycan get 16 minutes and Kyles gets 12 minutes seems silly like more driver error than car error
Incredible knowledge informative of future technology
Got my popcorn ready! Where's part three?
All for that
If the Tesla side cameras failed and the chargeport won't close like the lucid motors we'd be reading article after article about the shoddy quality.
Don't forget the AC and router problem
Because the rest of Teslas are such poor build quality.
That is bullshit! I see all EVs manufacturers with build quality none of them are perfect!!!
ya that's my point but Tesla has the "bad build quality" label from 10 years back. @@hwillia204
Seriously, everyone gets a pass while tesla is held to the highest standards always.
Your POSITIVITY is unbelievable and it's amazing how you not just explain each situation but you give so much information and mention every detail to understand each pesprective of each car.
what a cool and entertaining way to watch and learn EV stuff.
thanks a lot
I get no sound on this video for some reason.
Edit: it took an hour, but there now is sound! I wonder what caused this.
These road trip ‘races’ are great
All three EVs are so uniquely different and beautifully designed!
As a Plaid owner, I was interested in the outcome. Normally I don't watch long UA-cam videos but this one hooked me. Great job, looking forward to the next one.
Getting to Out of Spec videos so early sucks sometimes 😂 hi-res rendering takes so long and watching a 360p vid on a 4k tv makes me feel like it’s 2005 😭
I’ve been soo excited to watch part 2 after the part 1 shenanigans😄. Thanks for making these great vids Kyle. Looking forward to part 3!🏁
Excellent video. This is the exact type of content I love. Would be amped if you and the TFL guys got together to do this run with all major EVs simultaneously. It would probably be a huge hit!
And do it at night when there aren’t lines at charging stations
“You buy the car, you buy the infrastructure.”
Yes. You also get the technology, the navigation route planning, the BMS, the real time monitoring, the experience, and everything else.
This is why I LOVE my ‘21 M3 SR+, my “poor man’s Tesla”! I get all of that, and more, for a great price!
My 400 mile road trip from SLO (Tesla Takeover) to home in Sacramento facts:
220 Wh/mi
86 kWh
22 kWh/100 miles
Meaning I’d make that run Vegas run you did with ~172 kWh used.
As for the return leg, I suggest the title “Race From Vegas!” Can’t wait to see the 3rd installment!
I basically just watch the Motoring channel now. This is by far your best type of content Kyle. Keep 'em coming!
I can't believe Kyle turned off the A/C with 110 heat. That is dedication to purpose.
Yep 🥵🥵🥵🥵
ABB expanded their service team significantly this year and has been ramping up maintenance on the EA chargers. Sometimes the screens and app say they're de-rated even though they've been fixed
And that’s a problem. To not know before you get there is bad
@@89five3five Other brand chargers are much less reliable. PlugShare is your best bet to see the current state of a charge site
We often get 171 outta ABB charger rated at 150. Most always at the Katella / St College EA's by Disneyland.
@@Dive-Bar-Casanova All ABB 150s are technically 175 kW units. I just refer to them all as 175 kW or 350 kW units. Only BTC Power hardware from EA actually has a 150 kW limit. ABB and Signet are either 175 or 350 kW. Hope this helps!
You are the reason I saw the changes coming. I was in a job that I saw was ending, I sold my 2021 Outback and pocketed the difference last year. I then moved into a 2012 Passat TDI for cash. I am glad I did as the job did disappear but more importantly was I was able to get out while the market was hot. Thanks for all the tips
I just went into this video and then find out it was a first part just watched and now watching part 2 ❤
These are very educational for everybody looking to make the switch.
Exactly
This has The Amazing Race feel. Love it.
Great content, looking forward to part 3, just don't leave it too long :) I'm surprised to see the infrastructure is so poor in the US, in the UK and Europe we have CCS hubs with 12 -20 350kW chargers. I reckon it would be closer race in Europe... Fancy it
I came to your conclusion about CCS infrastructure being suboptimal a year ago with a Hyundai EV. Had a Tesla prior, and kept the Tesla, and dumped the ioniq 5 after 2 months of ownership.. Nothing beats the Tesla simplicity of charging. Sticking with my S Plaid... Looking forward to part 3. Beautiful road trip.
UA-cam is still processing the video. It should post the higher resolution version soon enough. It takes it awhile with longer videos like this.
Literally doing the lords work out here! ⚡️
Amen
I don't know if CCS sucks, or if Electrify America sucks. I guess it's possible both suck. So glad I had my parents buy a Model 3. In 3 years I've not had a problem with my Model X, haven't even had to wait in line yet(knock on wood).
A bit of both but mostly incompetence on the part of electrify America. Their complete inability to monitor the state of their net work is just sheer stupidity. Miss label chargers they don’t know when they’re out of service they’re derated it’s just mind boggling how incompetent they are. And all made worse by there are multiple deals for unlimited, charging and error in education of their customers.
It's the CCS charge point operators in North America that sucks. Non-Tesla charging in Europe is just fine. Europeans have superior hardware and a lot more of it than in the USA & Canada.
Technically it is junk equipment that sucks (and EA's maintenance) and not anything related to the CCS standard itself. EA needs to invest millions to repair/replace their broken chargers and to use hardware that is robust.
Electrify America makes the tesla superchargers look like gas stations
I'd be interested in this video, but can't commit 5 hours! Any chance of a shorter version?
No ea and none of these cars could go anywhere. People focus on problems instead of being glad they have any chargers . They don’t make the chargers and they have to support all cars not just teslas . Plus other cars can charge it is the 800 volt cars that have trouble.
As of 8/6/23 at 5:27pm CDT, Green River, per the EA app, is showing 50 kW on stalls 1 and 3, 350 kW on stall 2, and 150 kW on stall 4
crazy how EA refuses to improve that station despite it being infamous on UA-cam as a horrible location that literally showcases how bad EA is.
Kyle's comment about vertically integrated charging is off the mark considering he knows better than anybody that non-Tesla charging works just fine in Europe for these same cars.
The section of I-15 y'all were on has interesting geology. To the east of I-15 is the Colorado Plateau. Rock formations in the mountains have an orderly horizontal layering. To the west of I-15 is the Great Basin where the same rock layers look like they were put in a blender. The Great Basin is divided into a northern section, the Nevada Basin, and a southern piece, the Mojave Desert. All three geologic areas converge around St. George, one of your popular charging spots. You can see elements of all three regions in St. George.
Can watch videos like this all day. Thanks for the content Kyle and team
First leg scenery looked like Radiator Springs at Carsland.
Worth mentioning that Tesla have now stopped producing the Model S in right-hand drive. That cuts out a pretty large market; U.K., Ireland, India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Singapore, Thailand, and many other countries.
VW was told they had to build a charging network, they weren't told they had to build a good charging network. A worse network keeps customers from buying EVs, is maybe VWs idea with Electrify America.
They also weren't told they had to maintain it.
Luckily the newer infrastructure funding has uptime requirements.
Ha I like ur way of thinking
No sound also
I like how the Tesla guy (Colton?) can just seamlessly unplug the 150kw charge he was getting and hop to another station. At timestamp 1:07:00 roughly
That is why Tesla is leaps and bounds above all the other EVs for this simple ability.
loved it! up to part 3.
Would be interesting to see how a Fisker Ocean would do in this race.
Another great vid Kyle, I like all the charging tips you mention like the one where Teslas at low charge start off with a low voltage then go up. I think I’ve experienced that a few times, now I know why it happens. @1:47:20 I couldn’t get a clear look at those red model S wheels but they look like the same ones I have on my red 3!
out of spec definitely does the best roadtrip videos/tutorials hands down. Am I right or am I right?!?!🤭🤣
Right on…. Rules should consist of during hot weather u must leave air conditioner on medium atleast
Do th damm thing team YALL ROCK
Every time you say green river, John Fogerty starts singing in my head 😂
Great charging session🤣only took 1 1/2 hours to get an open plug . Your definition of a great charging session is hilarious!
Air and Taycan basically virtually tied on charging efficiency/time at Green River EA.
Air - 38.7 kWh / 12 min = 3.225 kW/minute
Tacan - 50.24 kWh / 15.33 min = 3.277 kW/minute
The infrastructure has to improve if they want people to go electric......
If people want to go electric, then Tesla is the only game in town right now, they clearly got this all figured out.
Ironically Tesla will also very likely be the one that solves this problem for the other two cars, as in a couple years or so those cars will probably have adapters to plug into a decent subset of Tesla's Supercharger network, which is the industry standard for dependability as we've seen here.
Part 3…..coming to a theater near you in 2024. 😂
Now the sound works, cool
Epic trip! Can't wait for EP3. Why don't you gather a bunch of friends and youtubers in Europe, and do some kind of mega race over here? Like, from Rome to North Cape via the Supercarger in Hell, Norway. 😁 That's a 59h drive (5,132km / 3,189 mi) according to Google Maps, if you avoid ferries.
Fun fact; in Norway and Sweden, you have about 4x as many fast charging options with any CCS car, than if you were to rely on Tesla Superchargers only.
BTW: I don't know if you've ever considered the e-cannonball, or it that's too easy for you.. 😏 It's September 16-17th in Germany.
E-cannonball is just a "consumption comparison drive", but they did not reveal the consumption last time. 🤡
It sounds like Tesla could get a lot of good will from the EV community by dropping a bunch of V3 superchargers with magic docks nearby...
Think Magic dock won’t help Porsche and Lucid who had 800v arch and limited to 50kw
@@suresh_elonbro It would still remove significant strain on the local charging infrastructure, even if it would only be at 50kw for some.
better then not being able to charge when EA broken as usual or waiting in line? 50kw better then 0!@@suresh_elonbro
@@suresh_elonbroIsn't Porsch 150 kW now?
@@abraxastulammo9940 I believe its an upgrade option.
part 1: "we're going to get your part 2 ASAP...." 🤣
360 P... rip to the early ones
No problems with sound or quality and I am not troubled with adds. From UK
sadly no sound
@OutofSpecMotoring there is no sound for some reason. Did one of the editors have an issue in audio or what?
man this is epic, love it all
Gonna be sitting down to the Tee-Vee to watch this one in 4K with some popcorn after the kiddo is in bed; thanks for it! :)
Looks like so much fun
You guys are so nerdy I can’t stop watching
Watching this for the second time and I enjoyed it again . I would love to see Tesla Model X / Model Y, CyberTruck , VS Ford Mach E, F150, Rivian, Audi ETron
Top work
Hopefully someone steps up and gets a proper non Tesla charging system in this country. Ridiculous to pay so much for a car that has this much trouble getting the fuel it needs. Not an EV owner but this channel is great to watch.
The only reason why is because Volkswagen was forced to do it. Teslas charging port is way better that’s why new EVs are now adopting the port. I would prefer Tesla to be the main provider tbh
15:43 The POWER of 900 V is REAL! 🤩
Last month on 350kW EA, Rivian charged at around 50kW, and I connected after it and Lucid was charging 170kW straight away.
So most likely something to do with Rivian.
I had the same issue in Green River. The Rivian charging in front of me was at 35 Kw/h. I started my charge at 185 Kw/h. After about 15 minutes it went to 35 w/h. 🤷🏼♂️
I started at the Tesla charger but was only getting 26 Kw/h.
There was no line of other cars to charge at EA.
Kyle i feel like you should personally install some chargepoint CCS chargers in this town. you'd probably make bank competing with useless EA here haha
This video is better than any ad Tesla could ever hope to create. Imagine spending more to get less. All the people making excuses for their expensive emotional support CCS cars have Stockholm Syndrome
How is it that CCS is so bad in America, here in Europe I have no problem at all road tripping my EV. Please do a comparison between CCS America en Europe, especially now almost every SuC is open.
he already has many times
Out of Spec has done a ton of videos on EU charging and how it's different than North America. You should check out Kyle's discussions with Branden Flasch as they talk about hardware differences in the USA and Europe.
Much more diversity in Europe which is a good thing, usa only has Tesla which is so weird.
Mainly because Electrify America carpet bombed with chargers and forgot to keep a team to maintain them. Tesla’s rollout was mor gradual, and they learned charger maintenance challenges early on. I’m sure electrify America will improve over time.
It's all down to equipment (and maintenance) and not the CCS standard. Most CCS equipment here in the US is junk and is not properly maintained.
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love the 'series'!
Pretty spot on with how the charging experiences go with non-Tesla EV's. Even with Tesla though (like the one he stopped at in St. George), can be a risk if you don't know like the local secrets of what chargers are faster, etc... Almost every Electrify America we've stopped at there has always been a charging station down or not working. Really frustrating especially if you're low on battery and need to be somewhere. Always plan ahead and leave room for missed charging stations. Great real, raw video! This is what you will experience owning an EV and traveling long distances. Around town, such a breeze. Not the case when you're going on road trips.
I so appreciate what you,do for the EV community. Love your channel. You keep the enthusiasm going!
These road trip videos really affirm my decision to buy a Model Y over anything else. It's like there's two parallel realities right now for Tesla vs. Non-Tesla owners.
So true. If you roadtrip your EV there’s no other option right now.
So pumped for the third installment!
Awesome video. Seems like you guys set this up to be as even a test as possible. Betting odds were always in favor of the Model S because of the sucky EA network. If there were reliable 350kW CCS chargers all the way, it would be much tighter and advantage Taycan over a longer distance. Great fun to see this kind of content. Thanks guys! Hope you had fun in Vegas
Love the vid and can't wait for part 3! Really want you to do a ~$60K and below EVs version of this but know the infrastructure part of this will remain the same 🤷♂
Half an hour in "welcome to the beginning of part two here in the taycan"
It’s too bad that Green River Supercharger is a V2 site, which means it will not be of any help after the adapters and non-Telsa NACS cars are available. Hopefully Tesla will either upgrade the site or at least decide to add PLC modems to the V2 stations in rural/remote areas so that this craziness doesn’t go on for years to come. Maybe EVGo or the new consortium can step up and build out an actual national network of chargers to add competition to the charging situation
“Hopefully”.. Well... “Hopefully”, your wish never happens. Because those non Tesla consumers who will sponge on Tesla’s capabilities, will never show appreciation for what Tesla has done, or will do. Nor will take one minute to serious look at Tesla product. Why? Those people ran off the Cliff in non-Tesla hell once he showed some libertarian views. Especially once he bought “Twitter”.
I’ve driven this trip from Glenwood Springs/Grand Junction CO to Vegas and beyond and Green River has a massive opportunity to be a charging hub like Baker CA (on a smaller scale) and create some amazing opportunities for that small town. Would love to see that.
Tesla has a ton of V2 sites still along the I-10 corridor (El Paso, TX being the most prominent one). I think they'll just end up building totally new sites at a different site host in the same town.
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It would be good to add a ICE car just for comparison how much time difference it is
Thank you for getting this out!!
You should make $$$$$ on this one. UA-cam firing up ads every 2-3 minutes?
Imagine getting a car that is so capable but driving it around like a 2000 Honda Insight (which would be faster and cheaper overall for your trip) good engineering solves problems and luxury cars shouldn't introduce headaches no matter what they run on!
Finally!
The wait for this video was as long as that charging cue
The mighty Model S Plaid. The most powerful American production car ever made (and the fastest car to Roadtrip in).
Those EA chargers in Green River never worked for me. I’ve tried using it a few times just to test out the CCS adapter and ended having to go up the road for the Super Charger.
@1 hour 29 mins - that’s my zenith red GT that Kyle Connor spotted! Had a brief handshake moment with Kyle: I was so starstruck that I forgot his name. I’m such a dork. Anyway, it is curious that the charging stall Kyle used gave him the best charge session of the day, while that very same charging stall, from which I had just unplugged as Kyle pulled up, gave me my WORST charging session that day. I was driving in the opposite direction, towards Denver CO. On my return trip through UT I made a mental note to avoid the St George-Washington UT EA DCFCs because of my poor experience a week earlier, the day I ran into Kyle.
Use Chargepoint not EA!
Let’s go Kyle!! I’ve been waiting for this scene I met you at Tesla Takeover!
Ok, time to change this up, Ioniq 6 Rear wheel drive long range with 18" Fastwheel EV01+ wheel will be the road king on your next race to Vegas! Comfortable, quiet, and likely very efficient with its great charging, mind you CCS is still the wildcard. By the way my Ionq 5, 20" Fastwheels EV01+ with my Micheline Cross climate 20" 245/45 (my fall and winter tires) fit with a set of WHEEL CONNECT Hub Centric Rings, 67.1 to 64.1 on to my Model Y!!!
So Glad living in Europe. Non of these issues as Long as you Skip EON, thanks to Enbw, Fastned…
Great video. Dang EA sucks. Can't wait for part 3
It's amazing how bad the US CCS network is. Here in Europe we have so many different charging providers and stations that non-tesla drivers (including myself) primarily use the Tesla charging stations because they are cheaper, not because they are better. And many Tesla owners use all the other charging providers as well (same connector for all in Europe). The longest I have been waiting for a charger was around 5 minutes, and that was only because I didn't want to drive 10 meters / 30 yards (ish) to another provider whose 4 300KW chargers were all available...
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CCS is basically unusable in North America at this point in 2023
It wasn't unusable for me on my last trip but damn if it wasn't a poor experience. EA stations were down by 1-2 chargers and there were queues at most of them waiting for a unit to free up. Fortunately, there were Starbucks-Volvo CPE250s nearby in a couple of locations along my route, but what working HPC infrastructure there is, is overwhelmed. I really hope Circle K and others deploy hardware soon.
Kyle please keep making the non Tesla videos as long as you also make these judgement day real life videos too. All kidding aside I want the infrastructure to improve for everyone but other carmakers are totally dropping the ball now. History will remember.
You should give the times of the three cars to Las Vegas with charging times & driving only … subtract any waiting times to charge, and show us those results… if driving at night, you might not have had any wait times