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Moses Deuteronomy 6:4 hear o israel the lord our God is one lord Jesus Matthew 22:36 He said, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord Church our lord is 3 in 1 and mystery John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. Church = no jesus is god Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, ‘I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'” (NKJV). In this context, Jesus was responding to a Canaanite woman seeking healing for her daughter, highlighting His primary mission to the Jews church = no he came for everyone church logic do everything opposite of jesus
Is there a place that we can look up the credentials or any academic papers that Kimble might have published? I would want to learn more as to what kind of research is being done, as well as a transparent way of verifying the credentials of the experts that are invited. I have looked through the description and I have the feeling I might have missed it.
As Mary Beard noted: the religion the Romans tried hardest to destroy was the one most truly Roman. Christianity sprung up in cities, wasn’t fixed to any particular land or temple, travelled along roads, was tied to merchant routes and was multi-ethnic and multicultural.
The word "pagan" itself comes from the latin word "pagus", meaning countryside. These were the stubborn holdouts... those not exposed to the readings and writings of urban clergy; those who had to keep a keener eye (and worship) of nature to survive. Rome was a city that built an empire and this centralization and logistics network was pretty foundational for the spread of Christianity. Christianity is more streamlined in design than Roman paganism and its inclusivity in comparison to other monotheistic practices like Judaism facilitated its acceptance throughout the Empire, the Mediterranean and beyond.
@ To say nothing of the fact that it began in a Roman province. Even Roman pagan religions probably began before the city did, somewhere in Etruscan cultural history. It might be the only major religion that actually began in the Roman world.
St. Paul was that bridge between the Hebrew and Greco-Roman world. Not only was he a Roman citizen, he was a former Pharisee too, which was a plus for both sides when he and other Apostles helped finded churches throughout the Empire, mainly in the eastern regions.
@@Colddirector I mean that by this person saying that “it was a smart decision that helped spread Christianity,” it implies that the decision the Apostles came to was completely arbitrary. arbitrary Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages adjective based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. Ex. “his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary"
Redditors be like: "AKKKCSHCUUUUUULLLYYYY, Christianity is a fairy tale written by men." - and they refuse to think any deeper than that. Don't expect them to understand basic philosophy, they won't.
In actuality there were barely any Christian oersecutions. No more than 13 years, in fact. The rest is myth. Even the neronian persecutions are total myths and likely attributable to Judean Zealots and not Christians, a word which wouldn't exist for another 100 years
@@crispybacon9917 Christian persecution is generally believed by historians to be a lot more sporadic and localised. It only got really systemic under Diocletian
Christianity compared to a lot of the pre-existing attitudes...was actually pretty nice. At its earliest, a lot of Romans would have known of the church as a charitable as well as religious institution, and that would have been in-line with its religious principles. Once the Romans started persecuting it, a lot of people wondered why "some of those nice folks" were getting stomped on, and became sympathetic. While obviously Christianity espoused a different style of religion and a pretty stern monotheism (trinity aside), it was much deeper and richer compared to its pagan counterparts, and for everybody who wanted in. A lot of what Christianity espoused would have been the purview merely of philosophers, a pretty elite section of society at the time.
Public perception would've been a lot more mixed than that IMO. Some places Christians would've been considered nice folks with odd beliefs, other places they would've been considered cannibals (the Eucharist) with borderline treasonous beliefs (deifying someone executed by the state). People aren't monoliths. It's always important to try and keep that in mind.
Yeah, that "nice" religion was nice until you disagreed with it. The crackdown started after the local cults reached critical mass and mobs of Christians in the East started harrassing pagan festivities, trashing temples and burning everything they deemed pagan. We lost the Library of Alexandria to one such mob.
Christians were against abortion and child abandonment (which was common in rome). This (along with the adoption of orphans) allowed their population to rise rapidly.
well now ya know the secondhand embarrassment I feel when online atheists act like dickweeds for no reason lol the irony is that a lot of those "trad" christian guys are just as annoying as the reddit atheists they deride lol
@@chrisbolland5634 you only see the ones who discourage you. Not the one's who had the sense to say nothing at all. Which should give you at least some hope
What are you talking about man ? they are only talking about christian persecution. They arent nearly as bad as the neo-pagans that infest alot of comment sections
@@fish5671I'd take someone with pop-history knowledge about Christmas Trees over the 'Of course we won, we are the correct and true worshippers of Christ the King of all the world who suffered under the Romans but saved their souls in the end' any day honestly
@EvilEgg332 On the contrary, Rome never truly died, it merely continues to evolve and take on new forms. Even after Rome fell to Odoacer, they still continued to be Romans. The Germanic tribes who conquered Roman lands adopted roman culture which transformed them into the modern peoples they are today. In the middle ages and renaissance Italian was viewed as the latest incarnation of the Roman language. So in truth, while the "roman state" does not exist, roman states do.
You know, it's funny. Despite the dominance of Christianity Christmas falls on Wodin's-Day this year and follows a tradition of late year pagan celebrations like Saturnalia and Yuletide. During the French Revolution the revolutionaries desired to uproot all traces of religion and connection to the past - they changed the calendar and the holidays and the names of the days. Crazy stuff. But modern Christianity from its adaptation of Roman and Germanic and Jewish traditions managed to preserve the history of the evolution of its own faith without destroying entirely what came before. For the "complete" erasure of paganism we'd have to eliminate the name of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, etc. August and July are named after Roman rulers. But it seems pretty annoying and frivolous to do so, doesn't it?
@@JoeyP946 More like ‘The Universe is life-permitting, it can’t be a coincidence’ ‘Life, and even sentient life exists, can’t be a coincidence‘ ‘My mum loves me, can’t be a coincidence’ An endless streak of testimonies from saints, martyrs and miracles, that lasted from 2000 years ago to the present day. Can’t all be elaborate hoaxes and mass hysteria. Do the homework and come into the Church bro, solid W.
@@JoeyP946 More like ‘The Universe is life-permitting, it can’t be a coincidence’ ‘Life, and even sentient life exists, can’t be a coincidence‘ ‘My mum loves me, can’t be a coincidence’ An endless streak of testimonies from saints, martyrs and miracles, that lasted from 2000 years ago to the present day. Can’t all be elaborate hoaxes and mass hysteria. Do the homework and come into the Church bro, solid W.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 Erm actually, the more you think about it, the Emperor is literally the Antichrist😁 But for fun’s sake, yes, for the Golden Throne I suppose
I would say that human psychology has a lot to do with this topic. People want hope and to believe, and given everything that was happening at the same time: economic collapse, immigration citizenship crises, invasions, plagues and politics, you have a growing want for hope and need for salvation, and a Middle Eastern Monotheistic face filled that role
The decentralized nature of Protestantism could only be created by the centralized nature of the Catholic Church over a thousand years of divided states. Once Catholics had standardized the belief system and constituency Protestants were able to project Christianity beyond the purview of a domineering "THE Church". Protestantism is responsible for the evolution of individual freedoms and the separation of church and state that we enjoy in modern society.
@@GiarcraiGOThe separation of church and state that we understand today is bourne of the nonsensical religious wars and persecutions that sprung up with the rise of Protestantism, a sword that cut down Catholics and Protestants alike. Many of the people who wanted what we understand as Separation of Church and State in fact would have been Christians or at least religious in some manner. Nobody came up with the idea to annoy Christians, it was a response to some pretty harsh history, and it took a long time before it became a serious idea, let alone widely accepted.
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 the failure to confront heresy, undermined Christendom and led to the rise of the secular west. The supposed freedoms celebrated in the west only existed due to the Christian notion of, people created by God, in His image, must be respected because there is hope for their repentance and salvation. The protestant ideology suggests it acceptable for men to meet God on their own terms, rather than His. The teaching of His Church, reduced to personal opinion/ interpretation. This idea bleeds into everything, creating an increasingly more diverse and divided system with no shared values outside of freedumb. "Freedom" to live as slaves to evil/ our own pride and vanity, isn't worth it.
@@GiarcraiGO I know I'm calling the persecutions dumb (because they were, let's be real here), but they weren't nice affairs. People died brutal deaths or suffered horrible tortures. While persecution of Jews continued well after the advent of this idea of Separation of Church and State, the Church didn't really help the Jews much for like...most of its history. Say what you will about the Market of Denominations, but it's a pretty big improvement from the Spanish Inquisition, memes aside. As for the rise of secularism, well, it's a free society. Convince people to follow the ways of Jesus Christ. Christians did it before, I'm sure they haven't forgotten how to do so...
Great guest speaker and discussion. Absolutely abysmal situation in the comments section. I had no idea the audience for this channel was so cooked lol
I've been doing my own research on this question, I asked the ether for this video, and synchronicity provided it. Thank you so much for the hard work and the free, incredibly presented information 🙏
This sure is an interesting video. Unfortunately, I don't think I have the time to watch the whole thing today. 😅 But I promise I'll go back to it. Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays!
@jackalope07 what makes his statment fascist. Christianity was started and spread by Jews then spread by Jews, slaves, women, and men of low birth. The exact opposite of a fascist ideaology origin.
The only "WOW" mystery in Christianity is the one talked about by the Apostle Paul, most notably in the Book of Ephesians. The mystery is that the Gentiles may now participate in the religion of Abraham on an equal footing with Abraham's blood descendants. Catholicism, on the other hand, has LOTS of mysteries and indeed is a mystery religion. All mystery religions depend heavily on the doctrine of "because I say so". There are myriad doctrines in Catholicism that are not based on apostolic teaching but they exist as required Catholic beliefs "because I say so". Holy days of obligation, transubstantiation, the rule of the clergy (Papal Infallibility), Purgatory, Mariology, etc., etc., etc. None of that stuff is defined in apostolic writings but are part of mainstream Catholic mysteriology.
While it is correct that the Edict of Thessalonica was very important for the growth of Christianity, it did however not make Christianity the state religion. My professor of Roman Law refuted this stating that it merely barred non-Nicene Christians from getting the exsequatur (a tittle which made a bishop’s court ruling backed up by the state). I now read the Latin text to be sure of this and what I found is that indeed when the document refers to aliquos (the others) in contradiction to the followers of Christianorum catholicorum it almost exclusively applies to the non-nicene Christians. Definitely because the edict talks about Haeredici Dogmatis (heretical doctrine). Still, Great work, continue the effort!
The history of the Library of Alexandria is complex. It started to decline in the late Hellenistic Era due to struggles for power among the Ptolemnys. Later, Julius Caesar may have damaged it during his time on Egypt. And so forth. The final destruction was caused by Muslim invaders. In any case, it was just one library among many in the ancient world.
The library of Alexandria consisted of multiple libraries, lecture halls, observatories, medical labs, etc. It was the basis of a university campus. Caesar damaged one building that wasn't an actual library and repaired it, Omar burned it down along with all the books. He said "if it did not spread the word of islam, burn it" in a letter to the general that captured Alexandria.
@Noamchomsky1917 Which part? I am not denying that the Alexandrian Library was the most significant library of the ancient world, but there were others. Also, while the notorious incident of the Christians destroying it may be partly true, it has to be placed in the context of the Library's decline over the centuries.
How did it gain sway with the masses? A historian of the Roman Empire interviewed by Lex Friedman said that by the time of Constantine, the Christian population only amounted to 10%.
everyone goes on and on about Christian persecution, but never about Pagan Persecution. Try being a Non Christian like Pagan or Jewish at that time in Europe then we'll talk
Practically because Christianity effectively abolished European Slavery within Christian lands, The Pagan religions of Europe was also slowly eroding away but majority of the conflict between Christians and Pagans has always been a matter of political and territorial conflict. Ex Charlemagne's war with the Saxons. You also don't understand that pagans are often tolerated more than other forms of Christianity, Late Roman conflicts with the Germanic tribes was mostly against Arians and Nestorians while the pagan tribes were mostly seen as future convert i.e the reason why Heathen and Heretic have seperate meaning.
I don't have a horse in the christian vs pagan race, but it's hard to care about pagan persecution considering they were mostly just taking what they previously dished out.
@@Colddirector the pagan rulers dished out the persecution not he common pagans. Christianity was far worse they completely changed the religious landscape of Europe in 300 years, if pagans had shown the same brutality christianity would have forever remain a small jewesh cult.
As a devout catholic german living in Aschaffenburg, Bavaria. I really abhor how the popes acted during the medieval ages they literally got power-hungry, immoral, unethical and close-minded. Over all I'm really grateful for the romans who took sympathy and kept a multicultural empire even though those christians keep getting persecuted but they persisted spreading the faith without violence during those times.
Of course they did. The papacy became a tool for the Italian aristocracy to mess with each other. Its why the tradition of having old popes came from this because it was to limit how long the family can wield power using the church.
7:13 “the inevitable triumph of the One Truth Faith” is unconvincing only if you presuppose that it is not, in fact, the One True Faith. Matters of religion are only purely matters of anthropological trends when one presumes that to be the case.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 I think it's more that you can't really say which group has more credibility than the other; if all of them claim to be right, which do you believe?
@@fungisrock8955 The one that is most in tune with natural law. As to what you claim. Are you really ready to bite the bullet and claim there is nothing ontologically wrong with certain acts, and that anything could be justifiable via “might makes right?”
"Sacrament" is NOT a Christian word. It doesn't appear in the New Testament. It's part of the blending of paganism that shifted into high gear under the Empire's rule.
That "god of love" destroyed pagan temples and burned pagans at stakes. There is a reason why pagan emperors accepted all Gods including Judaism but not your Christ. They knew christians would destroy Rome.
Unfortunately that God of love and his early followers in some centers like Palmyra and Alexandrina desecrated/looted a lot of Greco Roman sites. Ala the Library and Shrine of Athena.
Only a military organized by a state can conquer and further impose a religion. Jesus is the one true king. There are many examples of Christian conversion without conquest, not the least of which is the Roman Empire.
10% christian at the time of Constantine but Julian who was the last of the dynasty was outgunned. Money and power and Usery, these people also created Islam and look at what a racket they have now all around the world going on
Examples of forced conversion to Christianity include: the Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I,[77] the forced conversion and violent assimilation of pagan tribes in medieval Europe,[78] the Inquisition, including its manifestations in Goa, Mexico, Portugal, and Spain, the forced conversion of indigenous children in North America[79] and Australia[80]
With the use of economic terms, such as speaking of the different religions as commodities, it made me wonder about the merchant class at the time and what kind of information there is about a merchant class in Roman period.
Great video, I haven’t watched all of it yet but I like it so far. While there are a few oversimplifications, I think that’s very understandable considering the complexity of the topic and the fact that this is a UA-cam video intended for the general public. Would it be possible for you to inform us about Kimble’s exact qualifications or full name? She seems very knowledgeable on this topic and I would like to see more of her work. Thank you in advance, and keep up the good work!
The two most important factors for why it spread: 1) It was exclusive. You HAD to give up your belief in polytheism to worship one god. Jesus couldn't just be slotted onto an existing pagan pantheon, which gave Christianity a unique identity. 2) It was evangelical. Unlike Jews or pagans, Christian missionaries were actively seeking out converts which meant the faith wasn't just confined to the existing group which sprung out of the Levant. Think of it like this. Say there's a crowd of 100 pagans and a Christian and pagan preacher try to convert them. Let's say they both convert 50 followers. Well, the Christian has gained 50 and lost none, while the pagan has lost 50 and gained none. Christianity was a consuming religion which, even before Constantine, had managed to convert about 10 percent of the Roman population.
Ehhh, this doesn't really capture the complex and competitive nature of cultic activity at the time. People moved between groups fairly regularly. Often for things as trivial as who was serving the better communal meal on a given day. Also, christianity wasn't unique in premise. It was a mystery cult with all the features pertaining thereto. It only seems to have gained an advantage due to plagues sending the powerful people to the countryside, leaving christians to proselytize in the cities with weakened competition from the dominant cults.
@rainbowkrampus Christianity's only real 'cult rival' was Mithraism, which was exclusive for men. So Mithraism had already cut out a substantial number of potential female converts. By contrast, Christianity's evangelical, universal approach didn't have such limitations. I mean, on the topic of women, the evidence seems to suggest that a high proportion of early Christians were women. Granted, I do acknowledge that other factors (such as early Christians care for the downtrodden and sick via their own religious institutions) were important too, but it was the exclusivity and evangelicalism that were arguably the two MOST important factors.
It was even more novel in that the Romans and most if not all pagans didn't have "faith" in the jewish or christian sense but more of a transactionary ritual relationship with representations of the perils of daily life; You want a safe journey? Drop by the Mercur temple, catch up on the news from the roads and leave a donation. Need to take a ship? Give Neptun a visit, talk to the captains there and leave a sacrifice. You're going to war? Mars is your man, bring a lamb to the temple with your mates, sacrifice and eat it while chatting to the veterans. Have a problem with your pregnancy? The Priestesses of Juno know a thing or two. The blind and unquestioning devotion monotheism had where you essentially just sit in the dark and talk to yourself joping that your problems magically go away was widely seen as superstitious foolishness.
@@Colddirectorcould also have been Islam probably considering how far the Rashidun Caliphate came. Maybe without the heavy christian opposition they would have expanded their beliefs further, Spain would be fully Islam and so would large portions of America and things could cascade from there.
Monotheism was heavily on the rise in the region that eventually put a choke hold on the Roman empire. If it wasn't Christianity, it would have been something else. Yahweh was destroying the Roman pantheon. There were also many religions. It wasn't just Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
I like how the major Christian holiday Christmas is now just about making money and Amazon pressuring us all to constantly buy shit we don't really need.
@InvictaHistory I'll just get UA-cam premium so I don't have to watch ads... Content creators: The hell you will... But apart from that, cracking video as always!
Odin said in the Havamal: give your foes no peace Jesus in the bible: Forgive thine enemies Can you see why Europe was Christianised? Let's reconnect to our roots. Hail Odin!
Jesus' teachings are aspirational for a sinful mankind. Odin was a murderer. Propagate whatever you want but don't be surprised if you find yourself in Hell in this life or the next.
@miguelpadeiro762well it’s actually not Wrong.. because if you actual look at the Court system.. they forgive their Enemies.. But the Enemies of the Church is Not our enemies but enemies of God..we are not told to forgive Enemies of God. Only to be virtues and Care for them as they are made in the image of God
Great topic and content. It seems accidental, but there were a number of times early on when you Kanye'd your expert's testimony. "I'm going to let you talk about this as soon as I'm finished explaining it." It felt especially awkward because of the gender divide, that she's the expert you're interviewing, that you did it multiple times, and in the pregnant pauses afterwards where I imagine her dying a little inside by not stopping the interview to point it out to you. I think this sort of thing can happen naturally without any negative intentions at all, which seems to be the case here. I only point it out because it seems like some self awareness on this point would have been more flattering for you and your guest and not distracted from the very interesting content you produce.
I am half way through this video and am impressed by the research (as always by Invictus). The description of the religions as a market place has made me think. I am reminded of the current political situations all over the world. "I promise I will give you what you need.". The western world is mainly Christian, but Christian religions have lost most of their power in the modern world. Churches were once the center of every town and city. The churches were centers of community life in more than a place to pray. Now people are no longer entering churches and they are falling into ruins in small parishes. Sorry, I am preaching against loss of historical buildings. Back to my original statements; the research is very thorough and I was sad to see the top comment was a troll. These people work very hard to give us factual information and do not deserve mockery from vain attention getters
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I've always wanted to be involved for a long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of UA-cam videos about it but I still find it hard to understand
Jesus never did the following: •Ezekiel 37:21. Bring the Jewish people back to Israel •Ezekiel 37:22 one nation with a king •Ezekiel 37:24 Jewish people will all do the teachings of G-d. •Isaiah 11:9-10 world wide knowledge of G-d. •Ezekiel 37 & 47 building of the third Temple which will stand forever. •Isaiah 2:4 No More war •Deuteronomy 17:8-11 Jesus did not fullfil the Law. He was never recognized as a prophet or Messiah.
Christianity would have nothing if it didn't just copy Judaism, I mean the pope can't even come up with his own headcovering , pretty much just a white kippar lol
1. The Jews who turned to Christ, returned to Israel. 2. The new Israel, has one king, he is Christ. 3.The Jews who turn to Christ. do all the teachings of God. 4. The whole worlds knows of Christ. 5.Jesus is the third temple and stands forever. 6.No more war occurs after Jesus returns in Revelation. 7.Jesus was recognized by the Jews just not all of them, as Messiah, and he did fulfill the law.
Rome already started dying out in the first century. The empire had split into 4 and Constantine reunited them through conquest and gave the empire 100 more years before the destruction of the west.
I think some religions are very badly explained. This goes for even some basic terms. At some parts it's puzzling. For instance, henotheism is really easy to explain, it is the worship of a single god even though existence of other gods is acknowledged. Yet here it is merely explained by being "more exclusive". I would recommend anyone who wants to learn more about ancient religions and religion in general to check out the Religion for Breakfast channel on youtube.
In Christianity everyone is born with a spark of divinity, so the emperor's family has no divine right to the throne. Christianity outlawed cousin marriage, breaking up the clans that held up the Roman government.
@@martinzihlmann822 saying stupid shit like this when Christianity is the reason why constantine move their capital from rome to Constantinople which saved rome for another thousand year
@@martinzihlmann822 Rome did not necessarily follow the Divine Right of Kings as we think of it, although they did deify a lot of Emperors upon their death to some extent and have an Imperial Cult of state-influenced paganism. Rome was like China in that the Heavenly Mandate either shown down on you or you were gonna catch a gladius to the internal organs. The leadership continued like that even after they became Christian. Constant assassinations and coups and civil wars. Statecraft is a dirty game. Christ is King.
Thank you for the factual & theoretical analysis of this phenomenon. It's important to remember that rumor, tradition, and conjecture are not objective evidence.
An analysis of early Christianity and why it may have been accepted by Romans over their state-sponsored pagan religion is inherently an exercise in why Christianity might be superior to paganism. Admittedly I have not watched the whole video but the timeline at the beginning of the video and an examination of the alternative faiths presents a good idea of why it was.
Or you can take the cynical view that Christianity was a perfect tool of empire. By promising the plebs paradise if they only accept their lot and making suffering something to desire as opposed to avoid.
Considering the Christian stance on slavery and how many slaves Rome had it's not like the pagan Romans were having a rough time "convincing" slaves to accept their fate.
Thanks for sharing I finish this video later I'm fascinated in history of regilon just not religion itself ironically the Romans roads and later Constantine but Ethiopia was a Christian nation 200 years before Rome converted...there was five great churches..then twi until the fourth crusade and the Ottoman picking up the pieces greatest Christian city at that time fell because of...🤦🏻🙄 Anyways the medici family had two popes they had great projects like the in rome such as the michealo and Leonardo famous dual grateful art work hiw you think they paid for that ..yes Martin Luther accidentally broke the church in half....hint birth if printing ironically the godfathers of the Renaissance the medici they're were beefing to in charge with the Church... Niccolo Machiavelli wrote a book called the Prince Catholic church was terrify if it outlawing it for 200 years .gave ower to ordinary people....yada yada i can be here all day lol and i only watched two minutes of your video this only scratching the surface barely what I've learned from history
To engage with this using a good faith response despite you probably using it in a more colloquial manner: "cult" has a specific usage in history. It means a strong following focused on a charismatic leader. It doesn't have to be religious but it usually is. A cult can spread into something further; most cults don't long survive the death or ruin of their leaders but some do. There isn't really a clear definition on when a cult is large enough and has persisted long enough to be considered a religion. It's not unusual for a cult to begin as a sect of an existing religion, as Arianism was to Christianity and as Christianity itself was to Judaism.
Rome becoming christian wasn’t a easy process it took years of constant martyrs and abuse from rome. And no Constantine didn’t make christianity the official religion of rome he made it so that christians would have the same freedoms as the pagans. Also i like to add Constantine’s conversion was legit and it wasn’t a ploy to control people like some people like to paint his conversion actually put in a bad spot.
How can you say this was Christianity co opted by Rome under a pontificate maximus or did the Bishop of Rome Co op the spqr have you studied the judeao Christian s they are more Roman Christian youve never studied rome lives under a pontiff and his impirimaturs without a corrupt Senate and rienzi was the last of the tribunes rome perfected under a pontiff the ultimate triumph of the republic res publica by the collegium of cardinal priests of Rome thru election
Destiny obviously. There are no flukes. Once Rome was itself Christian, then it could fall. Not before it prepared Europe to be conquered by Christ, built the roads down which the evangel would come, it laid the foundations of Christendom. Caesar = John the Baptist of the West.
Rome already started dying out in the first century. The empire had split into 4 and Constantine reunited them through conquest and gave the empire 100 more years before the destruction of the west.
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Moses Deuteronomy 6:4 hear o israel the lord our God is one lord
Jesus Matthew 22:36 He said, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord
Church our lord is 3 in 1 and mystery
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Church = no jesus is god
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, ‘I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'” (NKJV). In this context, Jesus was responding to a Canaanite woman seeking healing for her daughter, highlighting His primary mission to the Jews
church = no he came for everyone
church logic do everything opposite of jesus
You should have had the foremost expert on the early roman empire and christianity, Richard Carrier, on as a guest instead.
Is there a place that we can look up the credentials or any academic papers that Kimble might have published? I would want to learn more as to what kind of research is being done, as well as a transparent way of verifying the credentials of the experts that are invited. I have looked through the description and I have the feeling I might have missed it.
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As Mary Beard noted: the religion the Romans tried hardest to destroy was the one most truly Roman.
Christianity sprung up in cities, wasn’t fixed to any particular land or temple, travelled along roads, was tied to merchant routes and was multi-ethnic and multicultural.
Yup
The word "pagan" itself comes from the latin word "pagus", meaning countryside. These were the stubborn holdouts... those not exposed to the readings and writings of urban clergy; those who had to keep a keener eye (and worship) of nature to survive. Rome was a city that built an empire and this centralization and logistics network was pretty foundational for the spread of Christianity. Christianity is more streamlined in design than Roman paganism and its inclusivity in comparison to other monotheistic practices like Judaism facilitated its acceptance throughout the Empire, the Mediterranean and beyond.
@ To say nothing of the fact that it began in a Roman province.
Even Roman pagan religions probably began before the city did, somewhere in Etruscan cultural history.
It might be the only major religion that actually began in the Roman world.
In witch book she write about it
Because the old Roman Gods imperiled them in so many ways.
One smart decision that increased Christianity’s popularity was not requiring circumcision to be Christian. All apparently due to St Paul.
St. Paul was that bridge between the Hebrew and Greco-Roman world. Not only was he a Roman citizen, he was a former Pharisee too, which was a plus for both sides when he and other Apostles helped finded churches throughout the Empire, mainly in the eastern regions.
@@JustinCage56 also you’re not going to get a lot of takers if you’re asking men to cut part of their junk off
@@awesomehpt8938 This comment is implying that the decision was completely arbitrary. Which it was not.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 what do you mean by arbitrary?
@@Colddirector I mean that by this person saying that “it was a smart decision that helped spread Christianity,” it implies that the decision the Apostles came to was completely arbitrary.
arbitrary
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based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
Ex. “his mealtimes were entirely arbitrary"
Rome was christianized, but christianity was also Romanized
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Boy I bet this comment sections going to be polite and uncontroversial.
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Redditors be like: "AKKKCSHCUUUUUULLLYYYY, Christianity is a fairy tale written by men." - and they refuse to think any deeper than that. Don't expect them to understand basic philosophy, they won't.
@@Quentin94 the irony of you posting that after the guy posting the tired crusader meme.
The deus vult memers actually understand basic philosophy though.
The seeds were sown by the blood of the martyrs.
@@shulamitebeautifulbride all two of them
@@shulamitebeautifulbride "what are one of the ways we know they worship a narcissist for $200, Alex?"
@@shulamitebeautifulbride martyred for a lie
@@shulamitebeautifulbride amen
calling it a fluke after years of christina persecution is crazy
Who is christina ?
@@lechevalier-ns2ptthey been persecuting my girl Christina Aguilera
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lol, posting a reply 15 mins after the 2 hour video went live clearly shows you haven’t watched it and got baited by the title.
Just relax dude.
Bro's butthurt about 2000 year old persecution
I’m sure Edward gibbon would like this video if he was alive.
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He'd be quivering and spitting like a rabid Chihuahua
A lot of Christians were terribly persecuted on the road to Christian Rome.
Kinda but not really
@@lechevalier-ns2pt seriously...did you forget nero's christian candles?
@@lechevalier-ns2pt What about all the ones that got fed to lions??
In actuality there were barely any Christian oersecutions. No more than 13 years, in fact. The rest is myth. Even the neronian persecutions are total myths and likely attributable to Judean Zealots and not Christians, a word which wouldn't exist for another 100 years
@@crispybacon9917 Christian persecution is generally believed by historians to be a lot more sporadic and localised. It only got really systemic under Diocletian
Christianity compared to a lot of the pre-existing attitudes...was actually pretty nice. At its earliest, a lot of Romans would have known of the church as a charitable as well as religious institution, and that would have been in-line with its religious principles.
Once the Romans started persecuting it, a lot of people wondered why "some of those nice folks" were getting stomped on, and became sympathetic. While obviously Christianity espoused a different style of religion and a pretty stern monotheism (trinity aside), it was much deeper and richer compared to its pagan counterparts, and for everybody who wanted in.
A lot of what Christianity espoused would have been the purview merely of philosophers, a pretty elite section of society at the time.
Public perception would've been a lot more mixed than that IMO. Some places Christians would've been considered nice folks with odd beliefs, other places they would've been considered cannibals (the Eucharist) with borderline treasonous beliefs (deifying someone executed by the state).
People aren't monoliths. It's always important to try and keep that in mind.
They converted because they wanted xmas presents of December 25th lol jk
Praise Sol Invictus.@@IdoNomb
Yeah, that "nice" religion was nice until you disagreed with it. The crackdown started after the local cults reached critical mass and mobs of Christians in the East started harrassing pagan festivities, trashing temples and burning everything they deemed pagan. We lost the Library of Alexandria to one such mob.
@@IdoNombhappy birthday santa
Christians were against abortion and child abandonment (which was common in rome). This (along with the adoption of orphans) allowed their population to rise rapidly.
Hell yeah, that is exactly a question I've been searching to answer in last months, why Christianity became dominant in the Roman Empire
Love these collaborations with scholars. The channel is going in a great direction!
The unintellegent engagement of Christians in the comments makes me, as a Christian, feel discouraged.
well now ya know the secondhand embarrassment I feel when online atheists act like dickweeds for no reason lol
the irony is that a lot of those "trad" christian guys are just as annoying as the reddit atheists they deride lol
@@chrisbolland5634 you only see the ones who discourage you. Not the one's who had the sense to say nothing at all. Which should give you at least some hope
What are you talking about man ? they are only talking about christian persecution. They arent nearly as bad as the neo-pagans that infest alot of comment sections
@@fish5671 'infest' lol. Says everything about how Christians view non Christians
@@fish5671I'd take someone with pop-history knowledge about Christmas Trees over the 'Of course we won, we are the correct and true worshippers of Christ the King of all the world who suffered under the Romans but saved their souls in the end' any day honestly
Merry Christmas and never forget....Christ (and Rome) is eternal
Ironic, since both the Roman Empire and Jesus died.
@@Sweet-Rat-Milk Jesus resurrected, unlike Rome which no one has been able to revive
@@Sweet-Rat-Milk damn, talk about missing the target
@EvilEgg332 On the contrary, Rome never truly died, it merely continues to evolve and take on new forms. Even after Rome fell to Odoacer, they still continued to be Romans. The Germanic tribes who conquered Roman lands adopted roman culture which transformed them into the modern peoples they are today. In the middle ages and renaissance Italian was viewed as the latest incarnation of the Roman language. So in truth, while the "roman state" does not exist, roman states do.
@EvilEgg332 Rome is still going strong, with over a billion people today.
Faiths that tend to allow some syncretism and are actively proselityzing tend to be successful
You know, it's funny. Despite the dominance of Christianity Christmas falls on Wodin's-Day this year and follows a tradition of late year pagan celebrations like Saturnalia and Yuletide. During the French Revolution the revolutionaries desired to uproot all traces of religion and connection to the past - they changed the calendar and the holidays and the names of the days. Crazy stuff. But modern Christianity from its adaptation of Roman and Germanic and Jewish traditions managed to preserve the history of the evolution of its own faith without destroying entirely what came before. For the "complete" erasure of paganism we'd have to eliminate the name of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, etc. August and July are named after Roman rulers. But it seems pretty annoying and frivolous to do so, doesn't it?
Well, we folks don’t believe in coincidences you see.
@@forrestlin9590 For the Golden Throne?
Are you one of those guys who sees 3 pyramids with something that looks like an eye and says "That can't be a coincidence!"
@@JoeyP946 More like ‘The Universe is life-permitting, it can’t be a coincidence’ ‘Life, and even sentient life exists, can’t be a coincidence‘ ‘My mum loves me, can’t be a coincidence’
An endless streak of testimonies from saints, martyrs and miracles, that lasted from 2000 years ago to the present day. Can’t all be elaborate hoaxes and mass hysteria.
Do the homework and come into the Church bro, solid W.
@@JoeyP946 More like ‘The Universe is life-permitting, it can’t be a coincidence’ ‘Life, and even sentient life exists, can’t be a coincidence‘ ‘My mum loves me, can’t be a coincidence’
An endless streak of testimonies from saints, martyrs and miracles, that lasted from 2000 years ago to the present day. Can’t all be elaborate hoaxes and mass hysteria.
Do the homework and come into the Church bro, solid W.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 Erm actually, the more you think about it, the Emperor is literally the Antichrist😁
But for fun’s sake, yes, for the Golden Throne I suppose
Christ is King ☦️
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Amen
Hey, Herod, have you heard that??? 😂
I don't agree with you, but I wish you a merry Christmas regardless. As a Muslim
...of the jews
There was no year 0 AD...
I would say that human psychology has a lot to do with this topic. People want hope and to believe, and given everything that was happening at the same time: economic collapse, immigration citizenship crises, invasions, plagues and politics, you have a growing want for hope and need for salvation, and a Middle Eastern Monotheistic face filled that role
Lmao
The crisis of the third centruy contributed a lot to Christianity.
Well you see Invicta.. there was this bridge in Italy...
Protestants seething since their spinoff wouldn’t emerge until more than millennia after Rome
The decentralized nature of Protestantism could only be created by the centralized nature of the Catholic Church over a thousand years of divided states. Once Catholics had standardized the belief system and constituency Protestants were able to project Christianity beyond the purview of a domineering "THE Church". Protestantism is responsible for the evolution of individual freedoms and the separation of church and state that we enjoy in modern society.
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Separation of Church and State is a mistake.
@@GiarcraiGOThe separation of church and state that we understand today is bourne of the nonsensical religious wars and persecutions that sprung up with the rise of Protestantism, a sword that cut down Catholics and Protestants alike.
Many of the people who wanted what we understand as Separation of Church and State in fact would have been Christians or at least religious in some manner. Nobody came up with the idea to annoy Christians, it was a response to some pretty harsh history, and it took a long time before it became a serious idea, let alone widely accepted.
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 the failure to confront heresy, undermined Christendom and led to the rise of the secular west. The supposed freedoms celebrated in the west only existed due to the Christian notion of, people created by God, in His image, must be respected because there is hope for their repentance and salvation.
The protestant ideology suggests it acceptable for men to meet God on their own terms, rather than His. The teaching of His Church, reduced to personal opinion/ interpretation. This idea bleeds into everything, creating an increasingly more diverse and divided system with no shared values outside of freedumb. "Freedom" to live as slaves to evil/ our own pride and vanity, isn't worth it.
@@GiarcraiGO I know I'm calling the persecutions dumb (because they were, let's be real here), but they weren't nice affairs. People died brutal deaths or suffered horrible tortures. While persecution of Jews continued well after the advent of this idea of Separation of Church and State, the Church didn't really help the Jews much for like...most of its history.
Say what you will about the Market of Denominations, but it's a pretty big improvement from the Spanish Inquisition, memes aside.
As for the rise of secularism, well, it's a free society. Convince people to follow the ways of Jesus Christ. Christians did it before, I'm sure they haven't forgotten how to do so...
Great guest speaker and discussion.
Absolutely abysmal situation in the comments section.
I had no idea the audience for this channel was so cooked lol
I've been doing my own research on this question, I asked the ether for this video, and synchronicity provided it. Thank you so much for the hard work and the free, incredibly presented information 🙏
Where's your research been taking you? I've spent some time with Tom Holland's work.
@RizzenMurray not there so I'll look into it, thanks!
This sure is an interesting video. Unfortunately, I don't think I have the time to watch the whole thing today. 😅
But I promise I'll go back to it.
Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays!
God willed it
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@jackalope07 what makes his statment fascist. Christianity was started and spread by Jews then spread by Jews, slaves, women, and men of low birth. The exact opposite of a fascist ideaology origin.
NPC type shit
@@jackalope07 waaaa waaaa crybaby
The only "WOW" mystery in Christianity is the one talked about by the Apostle Paul, most notably in the Book of Ephesians. The mystery is that the Gentiles may now participate in the religion of Abraham on an equal footing with Abraham's blood descendants.
Catholicism, on the other hand, has LOTS of mysteries and indeed is a mystery religion. All mystery religions depend heavily on the doctrine of "because I say so". There are myriad doctrines in Catholicism that are not based on apostolic teaching but they exist as required Catholic beliefs "because I say so".
Holy days of obligation, transubstantiation, the rule of the clergy (Papal Infallibility), Purgatory, Mariology, etc., etc., etc. None of that stuff is defined in apostolic writings but are part of mainstream Catholic mysteriology.
I agree with you, but I think she's including the later Trad Cat accretions as part of "Christianity".
@@Shane_The_Confessor - If she's including fiction, fables, and mythologies then it's not Christianity.
Catholicism ≠ Christianity
While it is correct that the Edict of Thessalonica was very important for the growth of Christianity, it did however not make Christianity the state religion. My professor of Roman Law refuted this stating that it merely barred non-Nicene Christians from getting the exsequatur (a tittle which made a bishop’s court ruling backed up by the state). I now read the Latin text to be sure of this and what I found is that indeed when the document refers to aliquos (the others) in contradiction to the followers of Christianorum catholicorum it almost exclusively applies to the non-nicene Christians. Definitely because the edict talks about Haeredici Dogmatis (heretical doctrine). Still, Great work, continue the effort!
Romans be like "Thoughts and prayers for the Library"
The history of the Library of Alexandria is complex. It started to decline in the late Hellenistic Era due to struggles for power among the Ptolemnys. Later, Julius Caesar may have damaged it during his time on Egypt. And so forth. The final destruction was caused by Muslim invaders. In any case, it was just one library among many in the ancient world.
The library of Alexandria consisted of multiple libraries, lecture halls, observatories, medical labs, etc. It was the basis of a university campus. Caesar damaged one building that wasn't an actual library and repaired it, Omar burned it down along with all the books. He said "if it did not spread the word of islam, burn it" in a letter to the general that captured Alexandria.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243That is just not true
@Noamchomsky1917 Which part? I am not denying that the Alexandrian Library was the most significant library of the ancient world, but there were others. Also, while the notorious incident of the Christians destroying it may be partly true, it has to be placed in the context of the Library's decline over the centuries.
Ave Caesar, Ave Christus Rex, Ave Roma!
Hail Christ Who is King
@@crispybacon9917 have you ever played Age of Empires 2?
Lame
...of the jews
Hi I am Christ
Hail Hadrian Who is King
Obvious really; Christ is King
Christ is king
@@travisball4917 Viva Cristo Rey!
@@travisball4917 Christina saves! May we live in her everlasting peace! Zeus bless Christina!
@@travisball4917 of copy paste
Yawn
@@CatastrophicDisease, your channel name was picked appropriately.
How did it gain sway with the masses? A historian of the Roman Empire interviewed by Lex Friedman said that by the time of Constantine, the Christian population only amounted to 10%.
everyone goes on and on about Christian persecution, but never about Pagan Persecution. Try being a Non Christian like Pagan or Jewish at that time in Europe then we'll talk
Bro just admit you hate christians.
Practically because Christianity effectively abolished European Slavery within Christian lands, The Pagan religions of Europe was also slowly eroding away but majority of the conflict between Christians and Pagans has always been a matter of political and territorial conflict. Ex Charlemagne's war with the Saxons.
You also don't understand that pagans are often tolerated more than other forms of Christianity, Late Roman conflicts with the Germanic tribes was mostly against Arians and Nestorians while the pagan tribes were mostly seen as future convert i.e the reason why Heathen and Heretic have seperate meaning.
I don't have a horse in the christian vs pagan race, but it's hard to care about pagan persecution considering they were mostly just taking what they previously dished out.
@@Colddirector the pagan rulers dished out the persecution not he common pagans. Christianity was far worse they completely changed the religious landscape of Europe in 300 years, if pagans had shown the same brutality christianity would have forever remain a small jewesh cult.
@@AbhayPeshin never heard christians feeding pagans to lions
As a devout catholic german living in Aschaffenburg, Bavaria. I really abhor how the popes acted during the medieval ages they literally got power-hungry, immoral, unethical and close-minded. Over all I'm really grateful for the romans who took sympathy and kept a multicultural empire even though those christians keep getting persecuted but they persisted spreading the faith without violence during those times.
Of course they did. The papacy became a tool for the Italian aristocracy to mess with each other. Its why the tradition of having old popes came from this because it was to limit how long the family can wield power using the church.
7:13 “the inevitable triumph of the One Truth Faith” is unconvincing only if you presuppose that it is not, in fact, the One True Faith. Matters of religion are only purely matters of anthropological trends when one presumes that to be the case.
@@CMVBrielman Christ, the One Who Is, is blessed now and ever, and unto ages of ages. Amen.
Just because many people disagree on what truth is, does not mean it doesn’t exist at all.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 Agreed
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 I think it's more that you can't really say which group has more credibility than the other; if all of them claim to be right, which do you believe?
@@fungisrock8955 The one that is most in tune with natural law. As to what you claim. Are you really ready to bite the bullet and claim there is nothing ontologically wrong with certain acts, and that anything could be justifiable via “might makes right?”
"Sacrament" is NOT a Christian word. It doesn't appear in the New Testament. It's part of the blending of paganism that shifted into high gear under the Empire's rule.
Must be really outrages for pagans being conquered by a god of love, humility and charity, and his army of peasants
They really didn't like that Jesus Christ died on the cross. They really, really didn't like Jesus for that, lol.
That "god of love" destroyed pagan temples and burned pagans at stakes. There is a reason why pagan emperors accepted all Gods including Judaism but not your Christ. They knew christians would destroy Rome.
Unfortunately that God of love and his early followers in some centers like Palmyra and Alexandrina desecrated/looted a lot of Greco Roman sites. Ala the Library and Shrine of Athena.
They weren't conquered, they were converted
Only a military organized by a state can conquer and further impose a religion. Jesus is the one true king. There are many examples of Christian conversion without conquest, not the least of which is the Roman Empire.
What program is the one you use to gather material?
10% christian at the time of Constantine but Julian who was the last of the dynasty was outgunned. Money and power and Usery, these people also created Islam and look at what a racket they have now all around the world going on
Next.. Could you explain how Arian ( Visigoth, Lombard etc ) converted to Catholic?
@@77milea and a video about what theological change the Franks brought to the Catholic Church
Examples of forced conversion to Christianity include: the Christian persecution of paganism under Theodosius I,[77] the forced conversion and violent assimilation of pagan tribes in medieval Europe,[78] the Inquisition, including its manifestations in Goa, Mexico, Portugal, and Spain, the forced conversion of indigenous children in North America[79] and Australia[80]
This video is going to be great!
@18:05 little talking tidbit, instead of starting with Uhm every sentence just take a pause and continue on.
With the use of economic terms, such as speaking of the different religions as commodities, it made me wonder about the merchant class at the time and what kind of information there is about a merchant class in Roman period.
Great video, I haven’t watched all of it yet but I like it so far. While there are a few oversimplifications, I think that’s very understandable considering the complexity of the topic and the fact that this is a UA-cam video intended for the general public. Would it be possible for you to inform us about Kimble’s exact qualifications or full name? She seems very knowledgeable on this topic and I would like to see more of her work. Thank you in advance, and keep up the good work!
When you conquer the entire world and get conjured by a very powerful carpenter.
God Willed it. Constantine saw the Cross on the Milvian Bridge.
And martyrs died spreading the message of love and self fulfillment.
Merry Christmas.
The two most important factors for why it spread:
1) It was exclusive. You HAD to give up your belief in polytheism to worship one god. Jesus couldn't just be slotted onto an existing pagan pantheon, which gave Christianity a unique identity.
2) It was evangelical. Unlike Jews or pagans, Christian missionaries were actively seeking out converts which meant the faith wasn't just confined to the existing group which sprung out of the Levant.
Think of it like this. Say there's a crowd of 100 pagans and a Christian and pagan preacher try to convert them. Let's say they both convert 50 followers. Well, the Christian has gained 50 and lost none, while the pagan has lost 50 and gained none. Christianity was a consuming religion which, even before Constantine, had managed to convert about 10 percent of the Roman population.
Ehhh, this doesn't really capture the complex and competitive nature of cultic activity at the time.
People moved between groups fairly regularly. Often for things as trivial as who was serving the better communal meal on a given day.
Also, christianity wasn't unique in premise. It was a mystery cult with all the features pertaining thereto. It only seems to have gained an advantage due to plagues sending the powerful people to the countryside, leaving christians to proselytize in the cities with weakened competition from the dominant cults.
@rainbowkrampus Christianity's only real 'cult rival' was Mithraism, which was exclusive for men. So Mithraism had already cut out a substantial number of potential female converts.
By contrast, Christianity's evangelical, universal approach didn't have such limitations. I mean, on the topic of women, the evidence seems to suggest that a high proportion of early Christians were women.
Granted, I do acknowledge that other factors (such as early Christians care for the downtrodden and sick via their own religious institutions) were important too, but it was the exclusivity and evangelicalism that were arguably the two MOST important factors.
It was even more novel in that the Romans and most if not all pagans didn't have "faith" in the jewish or christian sense but more of a transactionary ritual relationship with representations of the perils of daily life; You want a safe journey? Drop by the Mercur temple, catch up on the news from the roads and leave a donation. Need to take a ship? Give Neptun a visit, talk to the captains there and leave a sacrifice. You're going to war? Mars is your man, bring a lamb to the temple with your mates, sacrifice and eat it while chatting to the veterans. Have a problem with your pregnancy? The Priestesses of Juno know a thing or two.
The blind and unquestioning devotion monotheism had where you essentially just sit in the dark and talk to yourself joping that your problems magically go away was widely seen as superstitious foolishness.
What religion would most people be today if the Romans had not embraced Christianity?
hard to say, maybe mithraism or julian's version of paganism? i think the shift to monotheism was kinda inevitable though
@@Colddirectorcould also have been Islam probably considering how far the Rashidun Caliphate came. Maybe without the heavy christian opposition they would have expanded their beliefs further, Spain would be fully Islam and so would large portions of America and things could cascade from there.
@@twandepan i'm pretty sure islam wouldn't exist without christianity. you might have something similar, but it wouldn't be abrahamic.
@@twandepanislam was born from Christianity so Islam wouldn't probably exist as it is now.
Monotheism was heavily on the rise in the region that eventually put a choke hold on the Roman empire. If it wasn't Christianity, it would have been something else. Yahweh was destroying the Roman pantheon. There were also many religions. It wasn't just Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Because Christ is king lol
Porque Cristo es rey.
Merry Christmas to all and may you all find God in the One True Church the Catholic Church :)
Simple really, unity and cohesion.
I like how the major Christian holiday Christmas is now just about making money and Amazon pressuring us all to constantly buy shit we don't really need.
A 2 hour video you’re killing me
I made sure to put the main highlights at the start. Otherwise you can use the timestamps to jump to points of interest.
@@InvictaHistoryI think it was meant as a compliment 😆 "Well there goes my afternoon, thanks for the content" but ofc I can't speak for others
@InvictaHistory I'll just get UA-cam premium so I don't have to watch ads...
Content creators: The hell you will...
But apart from that, cracking video as always!
if you actually want to know how, search for the video titled the great theological war against rome
Odin said in the Havamal: give your foes no peace
Jesus in the bible: Forgive thine enemies
Can you see why Europe was Christianised?
Let's reconnect to our roots.
Hail Odin!
A pity the clergy have time and again abused these teachings.
Jesus: forgive thine enemies
Literally 100% of christian history: dont mind if I dont
Jesus' teachings are aspirational for a sinful mankind. Odin was a murderer. Propagate whatever you want but don't be surprised if you find yourself in Hell in this life or the next.
@miguelpadeiro762well it’s actually not Wrong.. because if you actual look at the Court system.. they forgive their Enemies..
But the Enemies of the Church is Not our enemies but enemies of God..we are not told to forgive Enemies of God.
Only to be virtues and Care for them as they are made in the image of God
@@Akhgy Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. It's literally in the Gospel.
Christus Victor.
She misunderstands baptism. There's no gnostic type revelation given when you're baptized.
Great topic and content. It seems accidental, but there were a number of times early on when you Kanye'd your expert's testimony. "I'm going to let you talk about this as soon as I'm finished explaining it." It felt especially awkward because of the gender divide, that she's the expert you're interviewing, that you did it multiple times, and in the pregnant pauses afterwards where I imagine her dying a little inside by not stopping the interview to point it out to you.
I think this sort of thing can happen naturally without any negative intentions at all, which seems to be the case here. I only point it out because it seems like some self awareness on this point would have been more flattering for you and your guest and not distracted from the very interesting content you produce.
Silence! My favorite movie just began 🍿
I am half way through this video and am impressed by the research (as always by Invictus). The description of the religions as a market place has made me think. I am reminded of the current political situations all over the world. "I promise I will give you what you need.". The western world is mainly Christian, but Christian religions have lost most of their power in the modern world. Churches were once the center of every town and city. The churches were centers of community life in more than a place to pray. Now people are no longer entering churches and they are falling into ruins in small parishes. Sorry, I am preaching against loss of historical buildings.
Back to my original statements; the research is very thorough and I was sad to see the top comment was a troll. These people work very hard to give us factual information and do not deserve mockery from vain attention getters
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️♥️
Congratulations!! The scriptures clearly states there's going a transference of the riches of the heathen to the righteous. God keep blessings you
But how do you make so much in a month?mind sharing?
Thanks to Mary Margaret Schimweg.
Really feel your pain, when I was even almost down my God sent to me Mary Margaret Schimweg services cryp to to me and changed the game automatically.
I've always wanted to be involved for a
long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of UA-cam videos about it but I still find it hard to understand
It was an acceptance of a fundamental principle of reality.
wasnt like half the population slaves in rome, doubt they cared or even had a say.
10-15% only. The rest are subjects or freedmen before caracalla gave everyone citizenship ruining the very foundation of rome devaluing citizenship.
@@linming5610 Caracalla's edict was only for free men in the empire.
It is actually more academic when something is true, to just admit it, then it is to beat around the bush. Still a good video though.
Christ is king.
Is that the Christian version of saying Allahu Akbar? I dig it
Rome still lives on, it lives on through the church. 🙏🏼✝️☦️
That is why the Church needs a big reform
Yep, an hegemonic and greedy empire like Rome of old
Jesus never did
the following:
•Ezekiel 37:21. Bring the Jewish people back to Israel
•Ezekiel 37:22 one nation with a king
•Ezekiel 37:24 Jewish people will all do the teachings of G-d.
•Isaiah 11:9-10 world wide knowledge of G-d.
•Ezekiel 37 & 47 building of the third Temple which will stand forever.
•Isaiah 2:4 No More war
•Deuteronomy 17:8-11 Jesus did not fullfil the Law. He was never recognized as a prophet or Messiah.
It's ridiculous that people believe he's the Messiah.... but oh wait, hang on he died and has to come back again but he was the Messiah .
Christianity would have nothing if it didn't just copy Judaism, I mean the pope can't even come up with his own headcovering , pretty much just a white kippar lol
1. The Jews who turned to Christ, returned to Israel.
2. The new Israel, has one king, he is Christ.
3.The Jews who turn to Christ. do all the teachings of God.
4. The whole worlds knows of Christ.
5.Jesus is the third temple and stands forever.
6.No more war occurs after Jesus returns in Revelation.
7.Jesus was recognized by the Jews just not all of them, as Messiah, and he did fulfill the law.
Um
Sticks and carrots to control people
The end of Rome
Rome already started dying out in the first century. The empire had split into 4 and Constantine reunited them through conquest and gave the empire 100 more years before the destruction of the west.
His rebirth , that allow to survive until 1453
Empires fall but Christ remains King
Well to christians it is attributed to the power of god and evidence of his divine power.
I think some religions are very badly explained. This goes for even some basic terms. At some parts it's puzzling. For instance, henotheism is really easy to explain, it is the worship of a single god even though existence of other gods is acknowledged. Yet here it is merely explained by being "more exclusive". I would recommend anyone who wants to learn more about ancient religions and religion in general to check out the Religion for Breakfast channel on youtube.
They abandoned their gods, so their gods abandoned them…
Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire
In Christianity everyone is born with a spark of divinity, so the emperor's family has no divine right to the throne. Christianity outlawed cousin marriage, breaking up the clans that held up the Roman government.
@@martinzihlmann822Christianity definitely contributed to Rome's fall from grace, but its definitely not the primary cause of the empire's demise.
@@martinzihlmann822 Wrong. Rome died after 1000 years of christianity in 1453.
@@martinzihlmann822 saying stupid shit like this when Christianity is the reason why constantine move their capital from rome to Constantinople which saved rome for another thousand year
@@martinzihlmann822 Rome did not necessarily follow the Divine Right of Kings as we think of it, although they did deify a lot of Emperors upon their death to some extent and have an Imperial Cult of state-influenced paganism. Rome was like China in that the Heavenly Mandate either shown down on you or you were gonna catch a gladius to the internal organs. The leadership continued like that even after they became Christian. Constant assassinations and coups and civil wars. Statecraft is a dirty game. Christ is King.
Thank you for the factual & theoretical analysis of this phenomenon. It's important to remember that rumor, tradition, and conjecture are not objective evidence.
In ancient history I doubt there are any objective facts like that. There's always a chance it's something else or you misinterpret
An analysis of early Christianity and why it may have been accepted by Romans over their state-sponsored pagan religion is inherently an exercise in why Christianity might be superior to paganism. Admittedly I have not watched the whole video but the timeline at the beginning of the video and an examination of the alternative faiths presents a good idea of why it was.
@@Bern_il_Cinq incredibly dumb and ignorant. good job
Christ is King! Merry Christmas.
King? What do you mean?
Or you can take the cynical view that Christianity was a perfect tool of empire. By promising the plebs paradise if they only accept their lot and making suffering something to desire as opposed to avoid.
Apparently not so perfect a tool.
It never got used properly until the medieval ages where monarchs pay tribute to the papacy to solidify their legitimacy.
Considering the Christian stance on slavery and how many slaves Rome had it's not like the pagan Romans were having a rough time "convincing" slaves to accept their fate.
Uh...um...um...uh...uh...for christ sakes you are supposed to be a proffesional historian
Uhm
The biggest mistake in history
Why Rome COVERTED(you spelled something on the thumbnail wrong)
Thanks for that catch, fixed : )
Thanks for sharing I finish this video later I'm fascinated in history of regilon just not religion itself ironically the Romans roads and later Constantine but Ethiopia was a Christian nation 200 years before Rome converted...there was five great churches..then twi until the fourth crusade and the Ottoman picking up the pieces greatest Christian city at that time fell because of...🤦🏻🙄 Anyways the medici family had two popes they had great projects like the in rome such as the michealo and Leonardo famous dual grateful art work hiw you think they paid for that ..yes Martin Luther accidentally broke the church in half....hint birth if printing ironically the godfathers of the Renaissance the medici they're were beefing to in charge with the Church... Niccolo Machiavelli wrote a book called the Prince Catholic church was terrify if it outlawing it for 200 years .gave ower to ordinary people....yada yada i can be here all day lol and i only watched two minutes of your video this only scratching the surface barely what I've learned from history
More ancient military history.
Please!!
Thank you for referring to these religions as cults, which is the correct label for them.
Im pretty sure they're using cult in a value neutral way, closer to "sect" than Kool aid drinking
To engage with this using a good faith response despite you probably using it in a more colloquial manner: "cult" has a specific usage in history.
It means a strong following focused on a charismatic leader. It doesn't have to be religious but it usually is.
A cult can spread into something further; most cults don't long survive the death or ruin of their leaders but some do. There isn't really a clear definition on when a cult is large enough and has persisted long enough to be considered a religion.
It's not unusual for a cult to begin as a sect of an existing religion, as Arianism was to Christianity and as Christianity itself was to Judaism.
Just read acts bro
Yeah, honestly. Fantastic historical account.
What the *f* is the MIDDLE ground between "inevitable rise of the one true faith" and "lol ,random"?
It is like the biggest cowards way of writing.
I think the West would have been stronger if we kept the Roman religion.
Without the Church in Rome there would be no West.
Lol
This is why you ALWAYS triple proofread the title and thumbnail of the video. ❤
Merry Christmas everyone! 🤶 🎅
Rome becoming christian wasn’t a easy process it took years of constant martyrs and abuse from rome. And no Constantine didn’t make christianity the official religion of rome he made it so that christians would have the same freedoms as the pagans. Also i like to add Constantine’s conversion was legit and it wasn’t a ploy to control people like some people like to paint his conversion actually put in a bad spot.
I would like to make a book recommendation, The Great Controversy by Ellen White gives a lot of insight.
Run from that protestant cult
How can you say this was Christianity co opted by Rome under a pontificate maximus or did the Bishop of Rome Co op the spqr have you studied the judeao Christian s they are more Roman Christian youve never studied rome lives under a pontiff and his impirimaturs without a corrupt Senate and rienzi was the last of the tribunes rome perfected under a pontiff the ultimate triumph of the republic res publica by the collegium of cardinal priests of Rome thru election
It was the will of God. Merry Christmas. God bless you all. Glory to Rome eternal
The Antonine plague
Destiny obviously. There are no flukes. Once Rome was itself Christian, then it could fall. Not before it prepared Europe to be conquered by Christ, built the roads down which the evangel would come, it laid the foundations of Christendom. Caesar = John the Baptist of the West.
I think we have all got it ass backwards...
Rome took over Christinity not the other way round
The first Christian Emperor moved the capital to Constantinople. It is not so simple as that.
Manachianism sounds like Baha'I
Christ is Lord ☦️ Merry Christmas!
And it was at this moment.
Roman empire started to die
Rome already started dying out in the first century. The empire had split into 4 and Constantine reunited them through conquest and gave the empire 100 more years before the destruction of the west.
Was with caracalla and other pagans
Christianity is the reason why they only truly died in 1453 please learn actual history next time before saying stupid shit 👍