Awesome video, mate. Just one thing: you're not supposed to place your weight on your wrists when riding bikes with clip-ons. Instead, you're supposed to grip the tank with your legs and support your torso with your core. The goal is to avoid having any weight on your hands and wrists except when countersteering. The point of alleviating weight from your hands and wrists, aside from saving yourself from wrist pain, is to prevent unnecessary input to the bike.
The point kind of still stands though You would possibly get more tired because you use your core more, compared to the upright sitting position of most bikes with standard handlebars
True but it’s hard to do particularly when riding for longer than an hr. Everyone and I mean everyone I know complains about wrist and back pain from riding super sports. Of course there is always that one guy that could ride from NYC TO Cali and not have issues.
@@spartanx169x Not all supersports are the same. Many older bikes and some new ones are not that bad. I have a 2003 FireBlade 954 and just 2 weeks ago I rode from Belgium to Spain, a 1800+ km with the longest day being over 1100km. And I'm not fit by any means and I'm over 50yo. No issues with back and wrists on a sportbike if you ride correctly. I won't say it's comfortable like a GS, but if that's your only bike and you love sportbikes it's not an issue. I also used to own a 2011 S1000RR. Also good for long distance. For me the only issue is the legs bend. I have an older injury on one knee and I need to stretch it from time to time. That's where the relatively short range helps. I need to refuel about every 200km. :) I love sportbikes and I'll keep riding them until I can't do it anymore.
I like traditional handlebars for two main reasons: I can rotate the bars away from me (towards headlight) in order to increase leg clearance (had to do that for the Shadow 1100). And also, simply because you have more room for mounting stuff. Quadlock for phone, quadlock for a bridge pass, maybe one or two RAM Mount (or Kemi Moto) cup holders, can change mirrors out easily that clamp around a bar in case the screw mount for mirror has been broken. Traditional bars are great imo.
I have a Honda SCL500 and rotated my handlebars as well. It let me extend my arms a little more as they're freakishly long, and makes it easier to reach while standing up
Great video. I recently put traditional bars on the 1998 VF800. Best upgrade I have done to the bike in the 19 years of ownership. Renthal 755 bars are perfect for a VFR800.
I test rode and even rented a few generation of VFR bikes. I loved everything about them excent the clip-ons. They caused me pain and discomfort. This is the first thing I would have done if I ever bought one.
One thing missing is that at high speed much of the weight on clipons is cancelled by wind. With "normal" bars you is dragged rearwards. So it depends on what type of riding you mostly do. When we had no speed limits it was comfortable to ride 400 miles averaging 90+ with clipons.
If I remember right, MotoGP runs 16.5 inch? But of course in MotoGP they can afford to do anything if it gains a fractional advantage in their specific use case. 17/19 or 18/21 wheel sets for ADV? Well that's more obvious as to the reasons.
I found that with clipons on the road it is better without a fairing as the wind helps to keep your weight off you wrists, but also ACE bars are a good alternative to clipons but not quick so adjustable. And you have top and bottom yokes holding the forks, not what you said
I used to ride a bike with the clip-on handlebars. It had a little sportier position, but it was purely a street bike, Yamaha YBR copy of copy of copy. The one I use now has the traditional ones and as some say in the comments, I prefer it because of the space to mount stuff. I mounted road lights, windshield, phone mount and handguards
When I was a young one I got a bike.....By the time I got into motorcycling, the normal handlebar was engrained into my psyche as the only way to go..... I love fast sillyness and sbk, but that works only on a circuit...... Having better handling from clip-ons is kinda silly to say (try clip-ons in heavy trafic or dirt, or anything else than going fast, and it's going to get harder faster).... I kinda love them both, but I'm more of an endurance guy than a fast "all the time" guy, so I want to enjoy my 250 kph for 500 km and still have wrists at the end....
Clip-ons for me but I also prefer sport bikes over every other type of bike. The look, the feel, and the riding position. So far have no discomfort on multi-hour rides, but maybe my tune will change when that time comes.
Almost all my naked bikes have clip ons. The problem is that it is quite impossible to find a good quality clip ons for it 😂. I prefer an aggressive riding position but with the looks of naked bikes. That's the main reason 😊.
Something close to a drag bar, or those riser-style clip-ons like the the MT09 conversion piece or what's found on VFR800s and other sport tourers is ideal, IMO. Unless you're going for peak comfort, in which case, use buckhorn handlebars.
Supersports with added traditional handlebars always looks strange to me. Don't get me wrong, sitting on a sportsbike can be exhausting but at that point it's not the right kind of motorcycle for me anymore and I would buy a different bike altogether. Not blaming anyone modifying though, we all get older, just my way to handle it.
The torque you can apply to handlebars to get the bike to turn fast, as well as, how TIGHT you can turn with them, makes handlebars vastly superior. But yeah, a trackbike maybe you don’t want to turn in that quick, or that tight.😅 You want smoooooooth
I am planning to buy zx6r but i need upride position for stunt & freestyle so which pattern n model is best what size is compatible for touring & city ride also
A number of racers that go from dirt to road racing forgo clip ons for traditional handlebars so they can get the extra leverage, remember one can tuck tightly with either...
there is another effect. the clipons typically angled downwards puts the wrist in a position where the throttle can be controlled more precisely. For the record I don't like clipons.
Learner sports bikes have raised clip-ons for better upright seating yet retain full fairings for better weather proofing and visual appearance. Why no-one has done this for faster sports bikes continues to elude me.
Guess it would depend on what sort of riding I planned that day and what motorcycle I was on. I like the riding position of both my 2002 Kawasaki ZX9R and my 2007 Honda VFR800. I also like the riding position on my 1989 Honda Transalp and my 2015 Kawasaki KLR650. If I'm crusin' I like the riding position of my 1983 Yamaha XV920 Virago. It all depends.
Handlebars for me, on pretty much any motorcycle. Of course I will never be using a race track on a regular basis or riding a race replica motorcycle on a regular basis either. Have I used clip-ons? Oh very much so, but I prefer the versatility of handlebars and naked sports bikes and don't care if I am the odd person on a track day because everywhere else handlebars serve better purpose.
Installed clip-ons on my street bike and swapped them out for the regular bar because the handling got worse and my back hurt on rides longer than 15 minutes. Keep the clip ons for your sport bikes is what I learned from my experience.
4:48 uh… Aprillia Tuono v4 doesn’t look stupid at all & very much so looks and behaves like a proper sport bike while using handle bars & not clip ons.
Everyone’s different mate. I’ve tried every position to make the ergonomics more comfortable on my SV1000s, and nothing takes away the back and wrist pain. I have converted the clip ons to handlebars and the change and comfort is drastically different. Each to their own. You do those things and it works for you, good for you, it doesn’t work for everyone. Safe riding 🤙
but why do alot of traditional naked street bikes come with clip ons form the factory, like for example the TVS Apache 200 or the the SUZUKI gixxer 250 (Great video as always mate❤)
I was only riding bikes with clip ons, then I didn't ride at all for quite some time. A few years back I bought a bike again, still sporty, but with a traditional handle bar. I gotta say it took some time for me to adapt. I'm sure it was just in my head, but I felt disconnected from the front wheel, and pushing it a bit harder through the corners felt somehow funny because I wasn't use to bend my arms that much. Now I actually like it, especially the handling at lower speed, and after an hour it's only my knees that make me wanna take a break.
Dammit, it's Sunday already. Don't forget to say Happy Mother's Day to whatever females in your life. Likewise, if you're typically a hooligan on the streets, be safe(r) today just so that if a drunkard (or a wine-o) does mow you down, it won't be on Mother's Day (hopefully). TL;DR, Don't forget to say happy mother's day to whoever it applies today, and be safe and make it home alive at least today.
Hey there, i like your videos so much. Could you do a test that shows what the diverents between using a kneepad in a motorcycle pants for example and don't using are?
Okay this might be an unpopular opinion but bikes with clip-ons shouldn't be on the streets. When someone suddenly pulls out in front of you while you're riding, you'd be better off with a handlebar which gives you more leverage to swerve instead of a clip-on that will make you almost go straight in comparison. Btw I've owned bikes both with clip-ons and handlebars so I do have experience with both.
For me clip on is far better despite having pain on the wrist....whats the point of comfort in a bike ?? If you really need comfort, then go travel by a car😑
That is a bit outstretched. That’s like saying kids only eat oranges while adults eats apples. Ergonomics is always fact in these situations not “coolness”
Awesome video, mate. Just one thing: you're not supposed to place your weight on your wrists when riding bikes with clip-ons. Instead, you're supposed to grip the tank with your legs and support your torso with your core. The goal is to avoid having any weight on your hands and wrists except when countersteering. The point of alleviating weight from your hands and wrists, aside from saving yourself from wrist pain, is to prevent unnecessary input to the bike.
The point kind of still stands though
You would possibly get more tired because you use your core more, compared to the upright sitting position of most bikes with standard handlebars
True but it’s hard to do particularly when riding for longer than an hr. Everyone and I mean everyone I know complains about wrist and back pain from riding super sports. Of course there is always that one guy that could ride from NYC TO Cali and not have issues.
@@spartanx169x Not all supersports are the same. Many older bikes and some new ones are not that bad. I have a 2003 FireBlade 954 and just 2 weeks ago I rode from Belgium to Spain, a 1800+ km with the longest day being over 1100km. And I'm not fit by any means and I'm over 50yo. No issues with back and wrists on a sportbike if you ride correctly. I won't say it's comfortable like a GS, but if that's your only bike and you love sportbikes it's not an issue.
I also used to own a 2011 S1000RR. Also good for long distance. For me the only issue is the legs bend. I have an older injury on one knee and I need to stretch it from time to time. That's where the relatively short range helps. I need to refuel about every 200km. :)
I love sportbikes and I'll keep riding them until I can't do it anymore.
@@johnnyblue4799 veel flitsers gezien in spanje in vergelijking met België? grtjs
@@Derpderpson123 I think BE has more, but it's hard to tell.
I like traditional handlebars for two main reasons:
I can rotate the bars away from me (towards headlight) in order to increase leg clearance (had to do that for the Shadow 1100).
And also, simply because you have more room for mounting stuff. Quadlock for phone, quadlock for a bridge pass, maybe one or two RAM Mount (or Kemi Moto) cup holders, can change mirrors out easily that clamp around a bar in case the screw mount for mirror has been broken.
Traditional bars are great imo.
I have a Honda SCL500 and rotated my handlebars as well. It let me extend my arms a little more as they're freakishly long, and makes it easier to reach while standing up
agree
I knew all this already but you still made it entertaining to watch
I like adjustable clipons - not just rotating them around fork legs, but also up and down with additional hinge.
Great video. I recently put traditional bars on the 1998 VF800. Best upgrade I have done to the bike in the 19 years of ownership. Renthal 755 bars are perfect for a VFR800.
I test rode and even rented a few generation of VFR bikes. I loved everything about them excent the clip-ons. They caused me pain and discomfort. This is the first thing I would have done if I ever bought one.
One thing missing is that at high speed much of the weight on clipons is cancelled by wind. With "normal" bars you is dragged rearwards. So it depends on what type of riding you mostly do. When we had no speed limits it was comfortable to ride 400 miles averaging 90+ with clipons.
Would love for you to do a video on how wheel diameter affects handling.
If I remember right, MotoGP runs 16.5 inch? But of course in MotoGP they can afford to do anything if it gains a fractional advantage in their specific use case.
17/19 or 18/21 wheel sets for ADV? Well that's more obvious as to the reasons.
I've never even thought of this. I love this random knowledge! Please keep it up! Awesome unique content
I found that with clipons on the road it is better without a fairing as the wind helps to keep your weight off you wrists, but also ACE bars are a good alternative to clipons but not quick so adjustable. And you have top and bottom yokes holding the forks, not what you said
The 0:23 audio transition was perfect 😀
thought the exact same thing lol
I used to ride a bike with the clip-on handlebars. It had a little sportier position, but it was purely a street bike, Yamaha YBR copy of copy of copy.
The one I use now has the traditional ones and as some say in the comments, I prefer it because of the space to mount stuff.
I mounted road lights, windshield, phone mount and handguards
When I was a young one I got a bike.....By the time I got into motorcycling, the normal handlebar was engrained into my psyche as the only way to go.....
I love fast sillyness and sbk, but that works only on a circuit...... Having better handling from clip-ons is kinda silly to say (try clip-ons in heavy trafic or dirt, or anything else than going fast, and it's going to get harder faster)....
I kinda love them both, but I'm more of an endurance guy than a fast "all the time" guy, so I want to enjoy my 250 kph for 500 km and still have wrists at the end....
Always good to watch. Clubmans are single piece u shaped and center clamped design handlebar
Clip-ons for me but I also prefer sport bikes over every other type of bike. The look, the feel, and the riding position. So far have no discomfort on multi-hour rides, but maybe my tune will change when that time comes.
Riding with clip on is really not ideal unless u want to track it, go for comfort
Almost all my naked bikes have clip ons. The problem is that it is quite impossible to find a good quality clip ons for it 😂. I prefer an aggressive riding position but with the looks of naked bikes. That's the main reason 😊.
Thank you for the report. I always wonder if any of the two handlebar types brings more stability to bike?
Something close to a drag bar, or those riser-style clip-ons like the the MT09 conversion piece or what's found on VFR800s and other sport tourers is ideal, IMO. Unless you're going for peak comfort, in which case, use buckhorn handlebars.
Streetfying my r1 ep4 when???
lol no cap was thinking the same thing. Sure it’ll be here soon
Tomorrow. Just keep reading this comment every day
Supersports with added traditional handlebars always looks strange to me. Don't get me wrong, sitting on a sportsbike can be exhausting but at that point it's not the right kind of motorcycle for me anymore and I would buy a different bike altogether. Not blaming anyone modifying though, we all get older, just my way to handle it.
The torque you can apply to handlebars to get the bike to turn fast, as well as, how TIGHT you can turn with them, makes handlebars vastly superior. But yeah, a trackbike maybe you don’t want to turn in that quick, or that tight.😅 You want smoooooooth
Yay! It's Chaos Sunday!!!
I am planning to buy zx6r but i need upride position for stunt & freestyle so which pattern n model is best
what size is compatible for touring & city ride also
A number of racers that go from dirt to road racing forgo clip ons for traditional handlebars so they can get the extra leverage, remember one can tuck tightly with either...
there is another effect. the clipons typically angled downwards puts the wrist in a position where the throttle can be controlled more precisely. For the record I don't like clipons.
I’d say conventional is what I’d ride with but clip ons just look so good
Why high handlebars?
Love your vids 🙏🏼
This is a great video, I actually just always assumed it was a matter of price point and no other reason. And it makes sense.
4:46 aprilia Tuono v4 what am I to you?
Learner sports bikes have raised clip-ons for better upright seating yet retain full fairings for better weather proofing and visual appearance. Why no-one has done this for faster sports bikes continues to elude me.
Is the ninja 1000sx and gsx1000gt considered as "fast" but comfortable sportbike?
My 1000sx has clip ons with Murphs risers
@@Lemmon714_ is it the same on this one?
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clip ons all day rryday, regular handlebars make me feel like I’m grabbing ridiculously high chopper bars💀
Yes
Can you put more of a street handle bar on a sport bike. Thanks
Spieglerusa has the solution for you.
does the handling differ?
Clubman bars are single piece that is curved in a way to mimic clip-ons.
I have 700mm handlebar for my naked bike, is it good or should i change it?
Guess it would depend on what sort of riding I planned that day and what motorcycle I was on. I like the riding position of both my 2002 Kawasaki ZX9R and my 2007 Honda VFR800. I also like the riding position on my 1989 Honda Transalp and my 2015 Kawasaki KLR650. If I'm crusin' I like the riding position of my 1983 Yamaha XV920 Virago. It all depends.
Handlebars for me, on pretty much any motorcycle. Of course I will never be using a race track on a regular basis or riding a race replica motorcycle on a regular basis either. Have I used clip-ons? Oh very much so, but I prefer the versatility of handlebars and naked sports bikes and don't care if I am the odd person on a track day because everywhere else handlebars serve better purpose.
Installed clip-ons on my street bike and swapped them out for the regular bar because the handling got worse and my back hurt on rides longer than 15 minutes. Keep the clip ons for your sport bikes is what I learned from my experience.
Does the clip on handlebars improve fuel efficiency (due to aerodynamic/forward bend position with clip on bars)?
@@jululugz2893 No I don't believe they do. They're purely just cosmetic.
It depends on what you want...
Ergonomic & comfort or speed
You can have a speedy bike with traditional handlebars
I have a standard on my Yamaha R6. It rides so nice
Clip ons with Murphs risers make a great riding position on my 1000sx. I have been riding for 32 years so I can't lay down and ride anymore.
This is an Excellent video.
only saw traditional handlebars on supersport bikes when people doing gymkhana stuff...
4:45 The tuono would like to have a word with you xD
Sir,nhow's your Yamaha r1 going so far
4:48 uh… Aprillia Tuono v4 doesn’t look stupid at all & very much so looks and behaves like a proper sport bike while using handle bars & not clip ons.
I have a RE continental GT 535 ...I love clip ons...
2:53 bro you don't know how to sit properly on an aggressive bike recently I went for 400 km (approx) ride and came with no back and wrist pain
Everyone’s different mate. I’ve tried every position to make the ergonomics more comfortable on my SV1000s, and nothing takes away the back and wrist pain. I have converted the clip ons to handlebars and the change and comfort is drastically different. Each to their own. You do those things and it works for you, good for you, it doesn’t work for everyone. Safe riding 🤙
You could've talked about steering angle ;)
but why do alot of traditional naked street bikes come with clip ons form the factory, like for example the TVS Apache 200 or the the SUZUKI gixxer 250
(Great video as always mate❤)
Once I'm too old for my R1 ill get some handlebars on it lmao
Spieglerusa has a kit for you. Or Convertibars. Or Helibars.
Bajaj Pulsar 150 gives clip on hamdle bars despite being a naked bike...
You can buy a rised (40 - 60 mm) clip on.
I was only riding bikes with clip ons, then I didn't ride at all for quite some time. A few years back I bought a bike again, still sporty, but with a traditional handle bar. I gotta say it took some time for me to adapt. I'm sure it was just in my head, but I felt disconnected from the front wheel, and pushing it a bit harder through the corners felt somehow funny because I wasn't use to bend my arms that much. Now I actually like it, especially the handling at lower speed, and after an hour it's only my knees that make me wanna take a break.
Where the R1 update?
4:45
Zx6r stunt builds. 💀
Dammit, it's Sunday already.
Don't forget to say Happy Mother's Day to whatever females in your life. Likewise, if you're typically a hooligan on the streets, be safe(r) today just so that if a drunkard (or a wine-o) does mow you down, it won't be on Mother's Day (hopefully).
TL;DR, Don't forget to say happy mother's day to whoever it applies today, and be safe and make it home alive at least today.
My understanding is that clip-ons are not the same as clubland bars.
...and then there are bikes like the FJ1200 whose owners usually replace the clipons with a risered wide bar :D
Something about the phrase ‘clip on handlebars’ makes me feel slightly queasy 😂
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What about the ape hangers? To say one is better is wrong. Each has it's own place for the type of riding.
Dirt bike bars on the sports bike, good for the wheelie.
Without gear you look like a kid sitting on his dads GS..😏
Dont lean on the clip-ons, use ur legs n feet to hold the bike
It's all about Aerodynamics
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No... its mother's day
Happy birthday to you 🎉
Happy birthday man.
Happy birthday dude.
Happy birthday bud
Hey there, i like your videos so much.
Could you do a test that shows what the diverents between using a kneepad in a motorcycle pants for example and don't using are?
Something tells me Clip-Ons break easily too compared to traditional one's which just bend at max.
Argument being you can just replace the part hat broke, rather than having to replace the entire bar.
Okay this might be an unpopular opinion but bikes with clip-ons shouldn't be on the streets. When someone suddenly pulls out in front of you while you're riding, you'd be better off with a handlebar which gives you more leverage to swerve instead of a clip-on that will make you almost go straight in comparison.
Btw I've owned bikes both with clip-ons and handlebars so I do have experience with both.
Mine are bent af because i highsided lol
Clip ons are great, but standards are better. (Unless ofc you ride a sports bike)
The older you're something not killing your back is better
Clips ons❤
clip ons: im speed
one little rock on a highway: watch how i make this man wet his pants
The hands matter
“A sport bike would look ridiculous with regular handlebars” moto-gymkhana riders 😡
For me clip on is far better despite having pain on the wrist....whats the point of comfort in a bike ??
If you really need comfort, then go travel by a car😑
Which option makes girls talk to you? I want to avoid that one.
Clip-ons are for speeding.
Handlebars are for stunts.
"your wrist and back will hurt" - it's a myth.
"Better"... for what?
Happy mother's day
Except for doing gymkhana with sports bike
F both
Go with ape hangers on a faired motorcycle 😂
If ypu have to ask you will never understand or need them
Yep, stunt bikes do look stupid.
Clip-ons are for teenagers. Older riders prefer standard handlebar
That is a bit outstretched. That’s like saying kids only eat oranges while adults eats apples. Ergonomics is always fact in these situations not “coolness”
Clip ons suck on the street. Done.
First view! Can I get a pin?
No
@@judge831 🥲 no recognition whatsoever