The Sound Couple-Venue's Go-Round
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- The Sound Couple returns to a long lost venue that they have not been to for years but have supported many events over a period of 20 years. Even though the room has its cavernous acoustic character, there is so much to enjoy about this venue compared to others...especially in a downtown location.
This is the first time in with the CDL cabinets, so we have some learning to do as to what configuration will work best.....
This video is full of bits and pieces of tips and follies....hope you enjoy!
The Sound Couple's Monitor Naming convention:
Monitor Wedges:
Key: M
Example: M-Dave
This means Dave is getting a monitor wedge
“MP” would mean Dave is providing his own wedge (more common with keyboard players).
In-ear systems:
Sound Couple Provided Wireless
Key: E-Jen-W1
Jen is using in-ears using our wireless 1 unit.
Sound Couple Provided wired
Key: E-Billy-X
Sound Couple is providing Billy a wired in-ear unit (“X” stands for “XLR”)
Musician Provided
Key: E-Suzy-WP
“WP” stands for “Wireless Provided” so Suzy is providing her unit to us.
Key: E-Mikey-XP
“XP” stands for “XLR Provided” so Mikey is providing us a wired in-ear unit.
The other thing we do is run our monitor assignments to the same order of the channels. For example, if drums are first in the channel list, , the drummer would get “mix 1”. If the bass player was next, they would be assigned “mix 2”, etc. This way, we can more quickly identify which mix a musician is just by the channel order.
Microphone rubber disk washers:
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Amazon phone charging cables:
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The Sound Couple primarily use PreSonus gear featuring:
PreSonus UC Surface
PreSonus CDL12
PreSonus CDL18s
PreSonus 32R
PreSonus SW5E
PreSonus NSB Stageboxes
PreSonus AVB-D16
Please see our "About" for a more comprehensive list of gear we use.
What I like is how you guys actively serve your clients. Your double check of the devices for IEM mixing before the show, everything is ready for the band before they show up, monitors are run out, and even your talk about verifying that things are happening to the expectation.. all really great and rare things in my opinion. Too many technicians not having this way of operating. You guys give your clients a great service. Great job!
Thank you for your observations! We do these things to not only make the bands life easier, but also for us! Hopefully this gives more inspiration to others!
Thanks for another truly helpful and very instructive video.
You are welcome Dean! Thank you so much for your continued support!
I totally relate to the “my stubbornness getting in the way “ comment. I have to constantly remind myself in the heat of battle to choose the simplest path not necessarily the most elegant path.
Not always easy to do!
5:50 made my day somehow 😀 Bart chasing the sub in Timelapse 😀
Glad we could entertain!
I'm a sax player (obviously by my avatar). They are quite picky as to what bell mounted mics actually work well (especially lower priced ones). Myers Pickups bell mics are awesome, as are Audio Technica. Where they're placed on the bell, and what direction they face the sax, is huge too! Some sax players don't have a clue on that either. But they need to be pointed between the bell and stack keys. Clipping it on the side of the bell lip, not the front (side towards audience), usually works best.
I use a Myers on my curved Soprano sax and my flute, but use a neck pickup micro mic, called an Intramic, made by Viga Musictools out of France, on Alto, Tenor, and Bari saxes. This setup has all the warmth of a bell mic, with all the feedback rejection of a Piezo!
Thanks for sharing...not going to argue with anything you said as we believe that in most cases, you get what you pay for. However, every now and again a little gem will pop out of nowhere and for us, it was the SGPro's wireless instrument mics....they are extremely affordable, sound good and the horn players we have worked with dig how easy they are to clip, stay firm, but gentle on the instrument...and most importantly for us, bullet proof on reliability (zero drop outs after several gigs): www.amazon.com/SGPRO-Professional-Saxophone-Microphone-Instrument/dp/B0BK3SDDXK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3L2GE5T3CH99D&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2qMEwDnxeXqgqbiG5NBRXYGarNwTCiJ2VtlgC1sly94WacXxLE2KiZl7PIvOlXnVPJv-tVpsCcPB8EjeG4-8wFNU7DmjI0YcKPMQdr_wKgGwoX3Hjn8iKplFD0ZTwPUVKO9Gaf2j_DbiKE2o_ue2WcpsQzznCWprx6LrwaYqhB-huEnXQRnQp6p5OdcDLh9-wei8WEVaqSD5_a5UBj6e0vtizEw8xmui-z4W_TPlb2UBr1fPCjswJHVVP0hpyjZS4NDEekD8gcKvS4Pevqe3VoNTv8s-9dbMIcgFIHudKWw.cu5EvxmwQAt4YyYqhCedv0EjehnhPagZ6DUYknqGer0&dib_tag=se&keywords=sgpro%2Bwireless%2Bsaxophone%2Bmicrophone%2Bsystem&qid=1720406169&sprefix=sgpro%2Bwireless%2Bmicrophone%2Caps%2C153&sr=8-1&th=1
Sorry for the loss of your furry family, they always leave a special place in our hearts
Yes I wanted to second your comment.😊
Probably should do a sound check on everything, every time! Thanks for the video and suggestions. "As long as the hosts were happy." Looks like you got your legend down for the different mixes. Take care.
Sound checks are unfortunately the exception for a lot of the gigs we do...that's why we need to make sure the systems are in order....but there is a point where you need to be able to trust your gear too.
@@thesoundcouple Understood.
Sorry for your loss!!! Love the videos and keep them coming.
Appreciate that...we certainly will!
Welcome Back. I know these videos take a long time to put together. I appreciate the work that you do to get this out to us.
Appreciate that! Our goal is always quality over quantity....we value your time too!
So sorry for the loss of your dog ❤ It is so hard to say goodbye when that day comes. Thanks for another great video.
Thank you for your thought and for sticking all the way to the end!
Glad to see you're still posting new videos!
We aren't going anywhere!
Great episode! So sorry for your loss.
Appreciate that Michael...it was a year ago yesterday and we truly miss her every day....she was part of our family.
Great job guys.
Thanks!
Sorry for the loss of your furry soulmate. Always in your ❤ 4ever!🫶
Thank you...yes they are!
Everything was perfect! Only thing is maybe put tops a little higher. Gounded great. Always learning!
Yes, the speaker height is a limitation when we stack the subs. Thanks for your comments!
I recommend you use the wireless signals of the lights from another angle (place on the stage) and avoid interference, I work the wifi router at 5.8 Ghz so as not to touch or mix anything that is 2.4 Ghz that causes signal cuts.
Good advice...we have addressed some of this since this gig.
Rumbly rooms: I very often just do a HPF on the entire mix. Up to 50 hz. Occasionally a little bit higher (had it at 90 once - VERY bad acoustics). And also I compress the Bassdrum harder than I normally would. And play with attack/release times. Usually shorter attack - 20 ms or below.
Regarding IEM: Its always better to get some seperation between sending and recieving antennas. I would get a Shure 411 combiner and an external antenna. I usually put mine 1-2 meters away from my ULXD mic recievers. And antenna-line of sight to the beltpacks is preferred. Human bodies block a lot of radiowaves. The hight at which your antenna is placed (at your inear transmitter) is also important in relation to the beltpacks. They should be at the same hight. Omni antennas send out in a kind of donut shape. This is easier to do with an external antenna mounted on a mic stand. And keep antennas away from too much metal. Both at the transmitting and recieving side.
Clonkiness from sax keys in the mic: This definatly varies depending on the microphone. I use the Audio Technica ATM 350. Its really good. They also have a smaller brother called the pro 35. I have used some cheap DPA 4099 knockoffs from Thomann (Europes bigges online equipment warehouse). And they just dont work on sax. There is not enough vibration dampening in them. Switched it out to the DPA 4099 (which does cost 10 times as much) and clonkiness gone.
Have you tried the Beta 91A kick mic? Its pretty much all I use for kick. Haven't used a 52 in ears. It would save you a stand. 🙂
Your comment is a message to the future Sound Couple! Stay tuned to future videos as we reassess the tools we use. Nice tip on on the use of compression in boomy rooms!
Couple of videos back you asked for another ladder cart. I figured out that they are available in the US as kerry kart. Unfortunately not in The Netherlands where i am from. Enjoying your videos, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the info!
Sorry to hear about your dog. Take care ❤
Thank you! Pets are family...
Wireless issues! Facing them all the time in various venues where we play (using venue gear). What helps tremendously is running the Wifi at 5Ghz only if possible, having the router well separated from other transmitters or receivers, antenna combiners for both receiving and transmitting with two paddle antennas. When we're able to setup like this, the only recurring issues come from belt pack batteries 🤣
Thanks for the tips! Thankfully, our wi-fi router has been working really well for us...knock on wood!
22:15 ..... The Drink bottle Under the "Drink Slider" 🤣🤣🤣
We can make an exception for ourselves....at least they are not slimy, sweaty uncapped beverages!
@@thesoundcouple I gathered that ..still had a chuckle
@@georgesnow We know...we chuckle too, but it does make for nice storage cubby as well!
I run a physical desk also connected to my ipad and if I have a glitch with the ipad I still have my physical desk to get me out of a mess like I lost sub groups on the app ,but I really enjoy your videos guys
A physical desk has advantages....just a note of clarification that the groups were lost on the mixer, not just an app configuration.
Out of curiosity, did you discover what happened to your subgroups first song?
That moment reminded me of a wedding gig I did last summer where about 8 songs in, 2 of my vocal monitor sends decided to assign themselves to the mains, completely out of no where. I didn't figure it out until later when I was listening to the recording from the console and tracked down the issue. Software glitch? Maybe. It's never happened before or since in the 6yrs I've had it.
The good thing is at least I know exactly where to look if it happens again.
No..we did not. We probably copy/edit more scenes than most and have experienced glitches when doing this type of work. I did reset the mixer and this problem has not happened again.
That`s why they have a pilot and a co-pilot, control the things you can control. Like the great philosopher George Carlin, We are not in the club, we will never be in the big club, the big club is used to hit us over the head and you will like it!
LOL!
The "last trip to the vets" is always the worst. Keep the good memories.
It is...it was 1 year ago yesterday and we still miss that little shit!
nice setup! What are the wedge boxes on the tops of the subs? Also nice sound despite the boomy room. Any issues with the glass/plexi with reflections for the drummer? Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! You must be a newer viewer...that's great! Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/ZpK2naPWT2Y/v-deo.htmlsi=YqbnOedSP6q7Uz-3. We did not have much of an issue with the drums here...the key like we say often is to factor into your mix what is coming off the stage...don't try to mix over it.
@@thesoundcouple I am and glad I found your channel! Great solution to the "drink table" people use. Lots of good ideas for when I do sound for our band or others.
Have you had any issues with NSB stage boxes not receiving or transmitting audio signal?
I had to power cycle my NSB32.16 couple of times before I get audio out even though the patching is correct.
I have seen users reporting the same issues on the presonus mixers Facebook forum.
Yes we have....watch this video! ua-cam.com/video/QKcwdi_S-0A/v-deo.html We would recommend you open a support ticket with PreSonus.
Hi Bart & Stacy, how do you your gigs , thru bookingagency or the band or the event holder? When i looked ad your video,s you quite offten run in to technical suprises, Do you sent a technical rider or have phone contact, when you come i never see a eventmanager or contact person , on one event it was more than 90 degrees, i saw no one how provide you and the band with water or talk about the thunderstorm wich could be coming. I wonder how it works out there US. Greetings Jan from Holland.
Interesting perspective....in this particular situation, the band is assembled for the event. The "producer" provides us an itinerary...but they are usually not on site the day of. There is an assigned band leader, but that is up to that individual to determine what that means for them. If there is production provided, like is the case with us, they will likely defer some of the work to us, which is usually ok. So yes, with just the way weddings are, and the fact that we are usually the first ones there and last one's gone, that's a recipe for lot's of "surprises" that fall into our hands from the band, venue, and the wedding. When we talk about advancing and getting info from the band, that means I am e-mailing the musicians the week prior to confirm what they need from me so we can minimize the technical surprises....Now that you got me thinking about it...there is a lot going on at these events. Most go smooth. We usually bring our own beverages, but most venues will provide if you ask for it....we usually prefer not to bother them. The storm was no big deal...if there was severe weather approaching, we would have all taken the appropriate precautions.
We’re did you get the hand carts
We have a RocknRoller Multi-Cart and Total Trolley's. You can't buy the Total Trolleys, but there are similar ones available: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1743366-REG/kerry_kart_kkred_4_in_1_cart_red.html?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw7NmzBhBLEiwAxrHQ-fOgm90PcfhHf0ueRIZvfv9TJzIuVvGvH9ON2rTjjcLzPHSIQvDOMxoCCKgQAvD_BwE
I lost connection one night both direct and wireless wouldn't connect. Had to wait until band took a break to restart. Thankfully its only happened once but it scared the crap out of me.
Unfortunately, that has happened to us too. I recall having to go about 10-15 minutes with no control of the board until we could power cycle it...not a good feeling.
What app are you using for the mix on the Mac
We use the PreSonus app Universal Control - this is the only software that be used to control PreSonus mixers.
@@thesoundcouple think love you guys your the best
Why not replace the lock on the mic case? It's usually pretty straightforward.
I guess we haven't looked into that...it would be nice it was just a knob.
How long is your speaker pole for the subs?
These particular poles are 16"'s.
Do you normally use 11’s?
How much you guys charge for event like this ?
Never enough! Just kidding....sorry, but we don't get into pricing specifics in the comments section. Send us an e-mail if there are any specific questions you have!
@@thesoundcouple
Well I was hired for another company to supply sound system
2 LD subwoofers 18”
2 3 ways JBL PRX
2 monitors LD Sytem icoa 15”
Mics
Allen & Heath cq18 y
Dj lights ( disco ball )
I told them $1500
I know you can not say your price but what I charged is cheap or is ok ?
@@DjTakiriOkc That doesn't sound bad....also remember that they are hiring "you" too, so your pricing may be impacted by that. The gear is one aspect, the expertise and experience you bring are another. If you are just starting out, you may charge less because you are still building your business regardless of the gear you have. Straight up gear rental has a bit of a different twist which we never really got into. You should check what others are charging for rental....sometimes the prices seem expensive for what they are providing but there is a reason for that. The gear is not always treated as nicely as you would hope.
@@thesoundcouple thanks
I will make a video about this
I have one suggestion for you it's better cable management
Yes...always something to work on!
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Thank you. 🙏
I feel like your input gain is rather low. Not even seeing levels getting to -18!
My suspicions felt confirmed when you needed to reeef on the gate threshold to get it to engage at all and even then I didn’t ever see the gate fully open.
Are you not targeting at least -18dbfs or analog 0/line level?
I tend not to run input gains hot..instead balance between those with the faders.
I've often wondered this myself why Bart has his gains so low and doesn't pan much, but have never commented about it.
I've come to consider that Presonus boards have an output of +26db. Very substantial difference from other brands at that level that only output at +20-+21 db.
That's likely the only reason it still pushes enough air to fill the room while have the levels so low.
@@StereoAnthony My mentor taught me this lesson - don't bang the crap out of the board....even flow of gain structure throughout the system Not sure what to say other than it's worked out ok for me so far whether you agree or disagree.
Totally understand!
And of course the sax player had his phone in the same pocket 😂
Yes...could be a possibility. This all is part of the education that we must share that comes with all of this!
high mids right on at peoples ear height...
That's kind of our only practical option with double stacked subs. We have recently acquired a 20" pole mount that will get them up a bit higher now if we go this way. That said, I can say that I have seen people talking in front of our speakers so we do a good job in not ripping peoples ears off with volume or harsh frequencies.
@@thesoundcouple i use k&m 21340 with two seeburg g sub 1801 and k20 top speaker. gets the top at a proper height.
Can you say my comment on the next video please 🙏
Yes?