For those who are wondering who is welby CoffeeSpill, he is non other than christopher nolan grand son who came here by inverting himself and gave an idea about tenet to christopher nolan so he did this film, that's it.
@@judgeberry6071 LMAO NOT even close in the slightest. You have to be out of your mind to believe that rubbish in anyway or regrade. The movie ISN'T "overhyped" either because while the emotional aspect wasn't completely overt for most audiences viewers to be compelled, it most certainly was still there tho. The movie got polarizing reception due it's complex nature the film already has a strong cult following due to it's great nature in filmmaking. NOTHING about it is "pReTenIoUs" in anyway? Not a chance in hell it is. The movie is masterfully well written as people don't understand how well tightly packed the time inversion aspect of the movie its for it to work Thankfully this channel Welby Coffeespill and among others UA-cam videos explaining Tenet showcases to viewers by explaining in detail on how the time inversion works correctly and how ingenious it is from scene to scene because there are LAYERS of events and sequences happening at once and you won't be able to get it all in first viewing. NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all. And most certainly, NOTHING about is is "gArBAGe" either in anyway. It's a well crafted, well shot, well acted, edited, and conceptualized film for it to be ANYWHERE close to "gArBagE", not even close. Not liking it is one's opinion as they can't like everything but saying it's anywhere near "gABRaGE" is just objectively wrong as it hits all the notes on how to be a structurally well made film with a high concept premise. You're crazy to actually believe all that rubbish.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I love the film I don't think anyone can take the time inversion concept and make it that mind blowing and clear. But I think why most critics don't like it is, because of the objective a common plot that says if this thing will get to the wrong hands it would destroy the world. Unlike Nolan's other films like communicate with your daughter through a fourth dimension or plant an idea inside of another brain. However restating it again I love the concept of the film I have not seen anything beautifully done and frankly make it possible in a film. It's just the plot is not unique. I do understand Nolan is trying to make a spy film though.
you can literally make you're whole entire youtube career on tenet videos, its not just making it easier for everyone to understand, but the way you explain it with the 3d models etc, always fun to watch, and i look forward for the next one!
they're really fun to make. Thanks. I will do the same 3d type visualization with the Opera, but I wanna schnaz it up some. There is honestly not alot of solid info on it, vague circumstantial evidence. So I need to keep it clean.
@@gurbanguliberdimuhamedov4228 I never seen Predestination , I should give that a try. Also, Primer I have only seen once and ended up on the floor. I should give that a second chance, hee hee.
or maybe a random youtuber had thought more about the movie than the writers and filmakers have. that's a more plausible explanation than anything. a spent bullet found its way into the chair lol
@@WelbyCoffeeSpillI think youll enjoy watching Predestination. Concept is pretty simple from its name only however the way they unfolded the story and when we can connect everything at the very end and come full circle gives you the satisfaction, head scratching and mind blown feel all at once. Hehe. Do watch it buddy
I like the idea of the radiation slowly disappearing and object eventually reverting to normal entropic progression with time. It could be the gold remains inverted longer because of how stable of an element it is.
From my understanding this just solves a plothole that makes the movie work. We learned that inverted and normal particles annihilate each other, but the clothes they wear are inverted and they touch the normal air. So they should immediately die making the movie not possible. This would fix the characters interacting with each other which would kill the need for the radiation explaining how things that characters interacted with even got there in the first place. Tenet would not work in the "real" world from my understanding since you could not reverse entropy for only certain "particles", they would immediately annihilate. I might have misunderstood it though, it wrecks my brain too :D
@@DaGhost141It's not that inverted and normal particles anihilate each other, it's that the SAME particles anihilate each other when they meet, one inverted one normal. So as long as a inverted character's clothes don't touch the normal set of clothes it's fine
@@guil7290 Correct but particles dont know which particles they are. Basically the "winds" are only there for the viewers to not be too weirded out. If we wanna stick to real physics a bullet forming in wood is *theoretically* possible since entropy CAN reverse it's just impossibly uncommon. For this reason you don't need the winds for example. I love Tenet but imo they didn't find a clear line where to stick to real physics and where to add a bit of magic.
Just when I think I understand the movie, a video like this shows layers and details I hadn't thought of yet... Very cool explanations! Tenet's a masterpiece.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill well technically a Kat did kill him. lol imagine if they made him one of those weird zoo billionaires and part of Kats murder plan was an inverted tiger.
Oh my god I finally understand the Sator's gold conundrum. It seemed so strange that he could just take that inverted gold from the capsule, sell it and become rich with it even though it should have continued to travel into the past and just disappear right away. But he wasn't digging it out, he was BURYING IT at Stalsk-12 right after he bought it in the future from the inverted gold's point of view. In fact both the act of buying and selling must happen 2 times and are inverted from different perspectives to maintain consistency. From the inverted gold's point of view, sator dug it out in the future, sold it in the past, then bought it again even further into the past and finally buried it at Stalsk-12 in his youth so it might lie there for eternity. From Sator's point of view he found the gold in his youth, sold it right away, established himself and then rebought the gold in the future to bury it for posterity in order to secure the unbroken world line. The original gold served to establish the timeline and bootstrap Sator but it wasn't suddenly "taken" from the capsule and its timeline wasn't broken, it was only temporarily repackaged before it was sent again on its way either way you look at it. Thanks, after watching so many videos I finally started to look at the Tenet world in the new way. It makes sense now.
So you're saying before he has a turnstile he has to re-bury the inverted gold at some point otherwise it won't be there in his past for him to dig up, but once he as one he can just take the inverted gold from capsules and invert it and spend it as he wants ? I don't really understand what the problem is with taking the inverted gold and spending it beyond that.
I get that if he takes the gold now and doesn't re-bury it it can't be buried in the future, but what if he doesn't re-bury it ? And what if he keeps it and puts it in a turnstile ?
@@adrienperie6119 What's happened happened. If future Sator didn't do things properly it never would have happened as it should. But things happened as it should because he did things properly. Inverted gold has to maintain its own inverted timeline. The timeline being it's inverted and sent from the far future, the future rich Sator "finds it", digs it up and "sells it", then after a while the past Sator "buys it" it back, "gets poor" and puts it in the ground. From Sator's point of view he's poor, he digs up gold, sells it, gets rich, in the future he buys it back to bury it in the ground on the orders of the future guys in order to establish unbroken timeline. This way both inverted gold's timeline is secured and Sator's past is bootstrapped. Since time works in a specific way in tenet (the entire time and all that has ever happened already happened) it makes sense because if it didn't it couldn't have happened. The first time inverted gold made contact with Sator was in fact in the future when he was burying it, correctly establishing the unbroken timeline for the inverted gold's journey. You're asking the question in the wrong way. Look at the things from the inverted gold's point of view. If something happened differently inverted gold's journey would not work as planned and Sator's past wouldn't have been established. There is no IF. Things happened the way they happened because there was no IF.
@@TheWoodenshark I understand that now, by burring the inverted gold Sator creates the conditions for it to be able to even be there in the first place. It means the gold has been there for basically forever when it is first dug up. What's even harder for me to get and what I don't fully get yet is what he does for the other times he gets gold, he inverts it using the turnstile ? But if so, there is no longer inverted gold to be buried ? So gold is inverted in the future and buried, travels backwards in it's capsule underground until sator uncovers it, puts it in a turnstile and now it is normal gold to be spent. From Sator's point of view he buries a capsule, sends coordinates to the future, he sees gold appearing in the turnstile and on the other side there is inverted gold he has to bury in that capsule. I think I got it ? But man, that is just an amazing mind twister, can't help but feel bad for all the people choosing to opt out of using their brains by saying it's bull and doesn't work, and at the same time I despise the lack of respect they display at such amazing intellectual work that went into this, it's basically unseen in the movie world. What I hate the most is the people saying "there is nothing to understand, it's a paradox" so that they can feel better and put their brains to rest. I, rejected those answers ;) (Andrew Ryan)
The timing of Sators' music motif when he clapped that thieving hood - I don't think I have laughed that much in months. "Tw@t". #'Weeeerrrrrp# hahahaha.
Holy moly, this was the last thing I couldn't wrap my head around in this film. This series of animations has been extremely helpful! Thank you for your service!
A couple of fun thoughts about the gold; First, it's the perfect means for the future to pay Sator with because it does not oxidize(rust) and will remain perfectly normal(albeit inverted) gold pretty much forever. Whereas the *bullet* will eventually break down into lead oxides and disseminate into the environment... but from an outside viewpoint, lead oxides were drawn by the tree from the air and ground, somehow managing to form into a bullet inside the tree which is made into a chair, whereupon gunsmoke gathers around the bullet hole and re-forms into gunpowder as the bullet is un-fired. Second, Sator killing his minion because he tried to steal some gold makes perfect sense when you think of the gold as not just money, but as potential *BOMB.* If the moron had managed to accidentally bring the reverted gold in contact with its inverted counterpart, it would have annihilated - and if conservation of energy is still in effect in the TENET universe, 27 pounds of gold annihilating another 27 pounds would produce a blast of roughly 1161 megatons. And the Tsar Bomba - the largest bomb ever detonated with a yield of just 53 megatons - made a crater *two kilometers wide.* He didn't kill the schmuck for stealing from him(well not *just* for that), but because he risked an extinction-level event. Hell, I'm pretty sure I would have killed the little gimp for that myself.
ha yeah,..that would be catastrophic. That may also explain Sator's immediate Shocked Expression looking up just before that, when his other henchman is telling him what happened. Like,.." Are you f(*&^n serious?!"
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Other spy villains have to worry about their mooks skipping maintenance or marksmanship drills. Sator has to worry about his minions accidentally *blowing up a continent.*
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Oh, quick thought; are you going to do a piece on how air is inverted for time travelers to breathe? Or could it be as simple as; "Normal mammals breathe oxy-nitrogen mix and exhale carbon dioxide. Inverted ones in effect, must have carbon dioxide in their environment to convert to oxygen - though to a normal observer, they are exhaling carbon dioxide into a storage device and breathing atmospheric oxygen. We are inverted, the world is not."
@@kalaong nah. none of that is necessary. It's pretty simple to understand if you think about it. Inverted people can't breath regular air. They need inverted air to match the direction of their lungs. So they carry around those masks and little air tanks, like a Scuba diver. Inside the tanks is inverted air. That's where they get their oxygen, they breathe like normal. Therefore they must exhale inverted co2. Simple as that. From a forward observer, all they'd see is co2 moving backwards back into the mask exhaust port.
I have ideas for a future video, far future. That just visualizes a bunch of random side things that people wonder about. Like how do you see or hear. I can include a brief thing on breathing there.
it's the first Tenet explanation (and I've watched like 10 of them at least) that deals with the worldlines of inverted objects. And it made some sense. Thanks.
I love the theory that the radiation of an inverse object could wear off, and that's why the lab tech and Tenet wear protective gloves in that first scene with inverted objects. It might not to prevent THEM from getting irradiated, but to protect the radiations from interacting and eventually canceling! (Course, then that brings up the question of how the gloves themselves would avoid somehow transferring radiation, but that's a question for the future. Or maybe Future!Me in the past!)
That ending sequence showing how Sator knew his henchman stole from him gave chills; I've been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out this scene! It all makes sense now, thanks! Is this the final video of Tenet you'll produce? I hope not, more animations please. This movie is so deep-I have an unopened 4K disc that I plan on keeping as a collector's item. Even though we live in an era of digital everything, this movie affected me so much, I have to have it in my presence physically at all times. Truly a masterpiece, thank you, Mr. Nolan (and you too, Welby)!!!
That part is actually the part that threw me off. I don't understand why they have to constantly bury and rebury and sent it back in time to send forward in time, over and over again.
@@evm6177 Imagine being this childish enough to copy and post the same nonsensical garbage over and over again. The OP comment's not even trying to agree with you in the slightest, you're just foolishly copying the same nonsense over and over again and foolishly liking you're own comment like an actually insecure fool would. The movie doesn't "fails" on anything you idiot. And the movies EXPLAINS very well NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all. The only thing that's a "no surprise" is your idiotic comments and responses. And your conceited "wine glass" rubbish just shows how foolishly conceited and narrow minded you really are. Good job at liking your own insanely bad comments as well you fool.
@@bigmiki2620 I’m not sure they do have to. When they get the algorithm, they don’t have to re-bury it. Of course, someone from the future creates it but still. I’ve seen no evidence that the future’s bad guys must provide the gold for it to be used later…to provide it to them.
You blew my mind with the gold reveal. To this day I always thought that was a massive plothole (how can he receive buried inverted gold from the past, as digging it up would prevent it from being buried). The concept that he first builds a turnstile and receives the gold from that is so genius. Well done.
I have no idea why digging it up would prevent it from being buried. That logic isn’t applied anywhere else in the movie. It was inverted, buried in the future, and discovered by Sator in the past. They could have mined it from whatever gold already exists in their time. No one asks how they could fire an inverted bullet, as if that would keep it from being manufactured or packaged at some other point in time.
@@westmcgee9320 no. Think about the timeline of the inverted gold. It's inverted in the future (so starts moving backwards through time) and is then buried. It would be streaming backwards through time whilst buried until Sator digs it up. But assuming Sator isn't inverted, the act of him digging it up means it's no longer buried underground throughout the future so it's a plothole. This video illustrated a way around that that makes sense and uses in-movie logic (the turnstiles). Very cool.
@@DannyDoesGuitar just sent back inverted capsule, with inverted gold within, from the future. And Sator would not be busy with re buring gold to maintain capsule for the future.
@@DannyDoesGuitar nope, this inverted gold just CAN do the path of normal gold and still be discovered by Sator. It's just question of perspective: for "blue" gold it is Sator who INVERTED. But more interesting question: how he managed to work with inverted gold? For exaple: bullet's in lab travel from table to hand - it is horrible to imagine all the Sators struggle, even if this question was answered in intructions from capsula.
You are an absolute legend dude. Your videos help immensely. I am so happy that I understand the film more and more. But there is a lot more for me to discover. I probably have to watch your videos again and again. Keep it up!
Imagine welby doing animation on science experiments, it would be next level ❣🙌 and I personally request welby on doing animations on science experiments in future, so that it would be more useful for science students ❤
not gonna lie. Even before Tenet, I'd be up at night watching all kinds of nerdy youtube videos on quantum physics for dummies. This one stands out as one that inspired me. ua-cam.com/video/Q1YqgPAtzho/v-deo.html
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I'm really inspired by your work,you're really great sir , could you please animate on science experiments more, so that it will be more helpful for science students visualisation
3:59 and that precisely explains when TP first inverts and steps in that puddle, that water reacts before his foot makes contact with it. I remember people saying this is dumb because what if the water started reacting and TP decided to change his mind and not put his foot down. This breaks the world line. If TP decided to not touch his foot to the water than the water would not have reacted as if he stepped in it. It would simply not occur.
@GoharioFTW yep. Same with trying change your mind entering the turnstile. If your intent is to troll the universe, you'll just be standing there all day waiting for something that you intentionally weren't going to do in the first place.
Honestly ty so much for like tackling this concept it has taken me forever to understand tenet which I love because I love to try to decipher confusing movies, a.k.a Christopher Nolan’s mind
Hey Man, really appreciate your explanation and thought process. I have personally watched your videos multiple times to understand what is happening in the movie. Please keep up the good work.
The fact that the Presents causality on inverted objects changes the past for the inverted object is mind-blowing to me. So like you said, aslong as the action does not break the world line then any possibility that would cause an inverted object to go back to where it became first inverted will happen.
The more I think about these details, the more I'd like to see some of them visually depicted in full live action/animation (as helpful as these simple 'action figure' animations definitely are for visualising these weird concepts) - for example, it would be wild to see how the inverted 'bad guys' from the more distant future buried their inverted gold for its journey far into the past; the act of them 'burying' it would actually be pretty complicated, with the ground actually coming together around their 'digging' rather than breaking apart.. like watching video of a hole being dug, the gold-containing capsule being extracted, and then the hole being filled again, all in reverse with 'backwards physics'. The future dudes doing the burying would need to be inverted themselves, not just the inverse time capsule, because if they were moving forwards through time normally, their inverted gold would already be there when they first dug the hole to place it in, no matter where they dug it would just materialise there as soon as they went with the intention to place it there in their forward-moving minds... I need a lie down
Alright, this is a banger, actually makes accepting the movie bearable. I shudder to think that Nolan thought this all through the same way, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think Nolan thought this through all by himself. He probably came up with the idea of inverting objects in time then hired smart scientists and screenwriters to help him sort out the details such that everything would work.
Before watching this, I have no Idea or not understand what exactly Sator want from that gold. After watching this video, i was mesmerized by how well you understand the movie and realize that Sator is really f*ck*ng smart ahead them (PT, Neil, and Tenet)
I just assumed that damage from inverted objects doesn't exist eternally into the past, but it simply appears shortly before unhappening. In the Freeport battle, you see the Protagonist start bleeding from a fight that he's about to have with himself shortly before the battle actually happens. Then the damage reverses itself during the battle. It is similarly likely that there weren't always bullet holes in the glass. They appeared from the perspective of forward time shortly before the Protagonist unfired them. You even see the holes growing before the battle begins
I explore all of that in the previous two videos. #3 and #2. I do make a distinction between the "effects' on Normal non-inverted objects, like the glass, and the actual inverted object itself, which this video #4 explores.
That Clip is from "The Messenger", which is totally Not a time travel movie. It is the story of Joan of Arc. But that scene was one of my favorite. ua-cam.com/video/9oSJdSL8YOE/v-deo.html
Despite watching TENET 3 times in cinema, yet there are so many things... remained undigested in my mind. Yup, TENET is more complicated than MEMENTO, INCEPTION and INTERSTELLAR.
Consider this... A forward moving particle enters the turnstile, inverts itself, comes out, comes in contact with it's forward moving self and they both get annhilated... It's funny, because for a normal person watching this would see two identical objects popping out of thin air and then disappearing again into the turnstile. So the annhilation point can be considered as both the origin and the ending of that particle. So how is this possible, because most of the objects in the movie(including TP😅) has a well defined origin(if not a end). I know it's the same *"can we change the past?"* question but this one, for some reason, seems more meaningful than the others.
The explanation Wheeler gives about annihilation seems odd due to Causality being broken. If the forward particle was destroyed then it is not around to enter the turnstile to begin with. So that event is impossible to occur. It IS possible if the only one annihilated is the inverted particle though. Wheeler was talking to an inverted Protagonist at the time so perhaps she meant Only He would be destroyed. But it is unclear in the film.
Finally! I still have 50% grasp of how inverted object drop-off works. As always, we live in a twilight world, Welby. Edit: Watching these Tenet explanation videos is like an online class now lmao XD
Thanks for this video but I simply cannot understand the gold flow. I feel like I'm too stupid even though I do believe I understand both inversion and un-inversion. So now I'm trying to build a timeline of where all objects are at all times. So for this: Are there one or two burrial sites (i.e. one or two positions in earth crust where burrial takes place)? What is burried where/when? Does the future bury anything and if so where? IS the inverted gold burried at 2:17 burried at the Stalsk-12 location? What about the inverted gold being burried at 2:31? Thx! :)
I am not home and non my phone but will try to respond. the gold at 2:17 can be anywhere, as long as it is where Sator tells the future his capsule will be. the gold at 2:31 has to be in Stalsk 12, since that is a continuation of the Original Gold he found. But that is a one time thing, since he didn't have a turnstile at first. I know it may be confusing. when I get home I can type more. cheers
@@mrmartin2258 at 2:48 it pretty much lays out the inverted Gold's journey. The journey of the very first Gold. and the more faded inverted Gold under it is for all other normal drops. And once it is reverted in the machine, Sator can use the Red normal gold just like normal money.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Some Q (I also attempted to write a commend yesterday but maybe I didn't press save): Is the 2:00 burial location is the same as 2:17 (so at 2:17 he just fills the capsule)? Also, are the capsules themselves inverted? This Q applies to all capsules that occur - original capsule undigging by Young Sator, the empty capsule burried at 2:00, the capsule mentioned at 2:17 and 2:31. Thanks - sorry for being dense :)
2:05 Took me a while to wrap my head around this step. I was wondering: “Okay but why did it manifest? It wasn’t streaming from the far future, who put the gold into the turnstile?” But then I realised from the inverted gold’s perspective, Sator carries it into the turnstile and it dis-inverts allowing it to stream into the future.
Trying to make sense of the time mechanics of Tenet is like trying to count the # angles dancing on the head of a pin. You can jump through as many hoops as you'd like, but at the end of the day angels aren't real so it doesn't matter. The problem with Tenet is that its treatment of "time" fails miserably regarding the actual physics of time-space. Einstein would have hated this movie, and I did as well.
Can you explain why the Saab drove backwards if the car itself wasn't inverted? Or why the yellow ship sailed backwards through the water? The ship itself wasn't put through a turnstile, was it? So how do inverted people interact with vehicles? And what would be the difference between an inverted person firing an inverted bullet vs a forward bullet?
The Saab was probably inverted. But there are some ideas about how it would work if it wasn't too. I honestly haven't committed to either way yet. The yellow ship wasn't sailing backwards. We were just observing the world from an inverted point of view. The person being inverted or not doesn't matter as much as if the weapon/bullet is inverted or not. An inverted person firing a normal bullet at a normal person would behave normal to us, ( but look inverted to them).
I already started that one actually,..but it's taking awhile. It is actually much harder even though there isn't much time stuff going on. The plot of who is who is vague and difficult to nail down without a lot of speculation.
@welby Cofeespill can you explain the building that was destroyed in the Stalsk-12 battle? How does it's worldline include its backwards explosion and its forward explosion. How was it constructed before this event in the first place?
The building is not inverted, yet was affected by an inverted force, the rocket from Blue team. Much like the glass in the airport, it could not have been built with such damage to begin with. I explored this idea in another video. #2 ua-cam.com/video/laR0urVrikM/v-deo.html
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill so the building is destroyed before they get there, but at some point in it's past the inverted force which caused its damage is reverted back to reality? So at some unknown point before the battle, the building collapsed? Interesting. Thank you for introducing this "entropic winds" explanation.
Yes, there is only One way something happens. I mean to say valid possibilities of an explanation , not implying something a universe building and branching based on criteria or a multiverse. I use the word "possibility" when referring to explanations offered. Because we don't observe something and can only guess at how something got there, we can theorize "Possibilities". but ultimately, there is only one right answer.
5:10 no no no, the hole on the chair was already there along with the bullet (the bullet was inverted) that means the long story tree into chair isn't valid, the logic way is neil shot the chair with the normal bullet then replaced the normal bullet with an inverted bullet, then waited the moment to catch up so neil can caught the inverted bullet with his empty gun which the bullet will ended up went through the guard body 1st before ended up in neil's gun
Theres a sci-fi story about a character who is time reversed but is unable to move and only perceives the area around themselves. They find themselves being worshiped as a deity because from the forward persepctive this skeleton began to form followed by connective tissue, muscle, skin, until it was a screaming suffering person. This is what is happening to inverted objects traveling backwards. From their perspective entropy is still increasing so they rust, decay, and fall apart into dust. This is equivalent to the radiation dissipation theory resulting in annihilation (it would likely appear similar to natural half-life radiation decay models so the object wouldn't wholly spontaneously annihilate but instead dissolve by radiation decay). So the case for the bullet in the wall and chair from the forward perspective those bullets would "naturally" form within the wall and chair - essentially like Boltzmann brain (or Booltzmann bullet in this case).
So any inverted object basically moves towards a turnstile, i.e. towards its past. That bullet from the wall will absolutely have to be re-inverted later in our future (=in its past). But what if you took that inverted bullet that just came out of the wall and destroyed it? I mean, she took it out of the magazine, why couldn't she put it under a hydraulic press later? So it never gets inverted in the first place. Reminds me of the grandfather paradox. Thoughts?
yeah,..it would be very easy for her to do that. But if that was what was going to happen then events would be played out very differently to begin with I believe. I am hesitant to apply the 'Dominant wind" idea to this, meaning, it would eventually form back to original state prior to unInverting, though. Since that effect of getting smashed isn't an inverted effect, it is in line with the dominant wind(forward). If the bullet's "past" is to be forever crushed then perhaps it was even inverted like that. Like some soldier had a box of bullets going in and some where mashed. Only to be unmashed and used to be fired at the wall. it's a good question.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill exactly. That's why Neil always says "what's happened is happened. So yeah, if bullet gets crushed we wouldn't see it proving glass, I guess?
@@mehmet.6553 there are so many other ways it could have played out that could work. Yeah, what's happened happened. So the events as we saw them in the movie are locked in. Things leading up to and after are just speculative. But knowing and trusting that is IS possible as long as it's Causal World line is not broken will have to do for now. And smashing the bullet at first glance does look like it would break it. So we can guess that she never would do that. And if she did then we'd have seen a different movie.
2:03 how can gold just appear like that? The protagonist gets himself into the thing, but somebody had to put the gold in there and sator must have seen them, inverted or not, no matter if that person got in the turnstile or not
The very "Act" of Sator taking it out and putting it in the ground , when perceived backwards, is him digging it out and placing it Into the turnstile from the inverted Gold's point of view. Another way to do this is invert yourself and dig it up and revert it. But that's just an additional step.
When an idea is so mindblowing, it's like when I'm back in my days learning Einstein's theory of special relativity. How spacemen accelerating so fast that when they come back to Earth, they're still young but 50 years have passed, or how you're in a ship moving at near light speed, and you fly a smaller ship inside that ship, yet you're still not surpassing the speed of light. Mindblown.
Here's another crazy concept. Causality has a speed. It is the speed of light and we aren't really SURE why causality has a speed limit considering it's quantum nature. So you understand that the sun is roughly 8 light minutes away, meaning that if the sun where to perish we wouldn't see the lights go out for 8 minutes. But did you know that the EARTH itself wouldn't be affected by the loss of a gravitational orbit around the sun for 8 minutes as well. Even though the sun is absent we would still be locked into orbit like it DID exist because of the speed limit of causality.
I think I understand how Sator gets his gold from the future, but it looks like there's actually two stashes of gold, which wasn't initially clear to me from your animation. I just thought I should explain this for anyone else who was confused. The 1st stash of inverted gold was sent by the future just so (normal) Sator could deposit it and get a loan to build the turnstile. Sator afterwards takes the 1st stash back and reburies it in order to maintain its world line from the future. The 2nd stash of inverted gold also came from the future through a capsule (could be the same capsule for the 1st stash, but it doesn't really matter). From normal Sator's perspective, this inverted 2nd stash - along with its normal version - comes out of the newly-built turnstile because he 'reverse-caused' it to be there. This is just so he can use the normal 2nd stash for himself. Then Sator buries the inverted 2nd stash to maintain its world line from the future. Also, I should add: Sator perhaps (but not necessarily) has to transmit the coordinates of this 2nd inverted stash because he could've buried it in a place not specified by the future (e.g. Stalsk-12), so the future needs to know where to bury this 2nd inverted stash. But Sator doesn't need to do this for the 1st inverted stash because Sator just happened to be at the right place and time to find this 1st inverted stash.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Actually, that is a mistake in your analysis. The inverted gold cannot be placed into the chamber by someone who is not inverted, because that would happen in the past. The only way for an inverted person to re-vert is to go in from the future. That is why you see 2 duplicates coming out during Oslo. Inverted protagonist goes in and comes out the other side going forward in time. That is the version that Niel chases and sees. To the recently inverted protagonist the fight seen with himself already happened. To the regular protagonist it is happening and won't finish until the engine explodes later.
@@atsmyles ha,..I know it can be confusing. I have given a lot of thought into it too. Regular Sator is taking the inverted Gold out and burying it. But to the Gold,.he IS placing it in to revert. Normal people Can handle inverted stuff. Another way it can work is Sator just inverting himself and digging it up, then go back and revert both him and the Gold. Same result, But that's more steps, imho.
Ok, I think I understand why it wasn't clear. The point you missed is that the gold can't just appear in the machine. Someone inverted needs to place it in the machine from the future. That would mean that Sator can't get the inverted gold when the machine opens to burry it. The overall analysis otherwise in your video is spot on.
time and place, yep. At the end of the film( spoilers), that is basically exactly what Kat left on the phone message. In the future, Protagonist sees that message and knows exactly where and when to be to stop Priya from shooting her.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill But how does not Kat die? When she makes the call there would be a really limited time before she gets shot right? So was TP really really near to turnstile all the time? I really don't get that.
@@mehmet.6553 Imagine if you are in the future. Like Next Wednesday. you just notice you have a message on your phone. It says, " I feel in danger. It is Monday, 10am. I am at Max's School". That was two days ago. So you go to a turnstile and invert back to Monday 9am. So now you have an hour to wait or prepare. You could technically wait however long you want. No rush. As long as you are at that location and time you can stop the killer.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill so How's TP in future in this scenario? He must have witnessed or heard about Kat right? And in movie there's no time travel actually? You got my question right?
@@mehmet.6553 I think so. There is no time travel like what we are used to seeing. Where they can Jump from one time to the other and even teleport. If you want to go back two days, you need to spend two two days inverted. And you are right. By the time TP gets the message, the event already happened. By the time he got the message, his own future self was already there stopping it. So he inverts and goes back and basically Is that man who stopped it. There is Never a reality where he wasn't there to save her.
maybe in a few years. I just saw Dunkirk and Nolan said his next film will involve some spy, action, time travel , so really looking forward to that one.
it is just like the scene in the movie where both protagonists pop out at the same time. ( I included a film clip in the video) Imagine it from the inverted blue gold's perspective. it is buried in the future. Then travels back to us. It is unburied by Sator and taken to the turnstile and reverts to normal. That is where the red one comes from. But from Sator's point of view, it appears from the turnstile, he takes it out and buries it. and it un-travels to the future. this other video may help visualize that. ua-cam.com/video/uAg2cvR9OwE/v-deo.html
About the bullet holes in the glass, if we ask "where is it going", then does that the bullet hole "unholes" itself in the past? In normal perspective that is 1. Glass is built (without holes) 2. Glass cracks itself slowly/rapidly (for how long? did a crack just spontaneously appeared? People using the turnstile before TP and Neil did would have noticed) 3. Glass is un-holed by inverted TP who unshots the gun
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you for your interesting and well-thought explanations about this mind-blowing movie! Would definitely watch your (inverted) videos from the future
The bullet in the chair has a decreasing Entrophie. I didnt exist some time ago, because on its way to the past it rust into pieces. Its particels are rust laying aroung. For non-inverted people: Rust from diffrent places assembels themself into a bullet. Like a inverted burning paper actually gets restored from dust and smoke.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thanks for the reply and for making these vids, they’re awesome! I wish he’d make a Tenet 2 just so I can see more inverted scenes lol
a forward person, if they had some kind of measuring detector device, would observe the inverted person un-exhaling Carbon dioxide. So basically there would be inverted CO2 in the air around them that they "inhale", but really it was exhaled by them from their point of view.
I really enjoy the explanations and models in your videos. All the important inversion moments are extremely well done. However, I still can't understand the bullet holes in the airport. If the bullet hole is the glass is inverted, then it's travelling backwards. Does that mean that they installed a glass door with a hole in it? Or that Sator's men just walked by it without getting it replaced? The brief idea about Neil's body being claimed actually totally works. It's possible someone from tenet inverted and picked it up, so that no body would been seen by Sator's men in there or during its construction
There are two things at play in my opinion. The "Effects" done to Normal things as a result of an inverted Cause. And the inverted Object itself. I made a video , specifically involving the airport bullet holes, to try and describe the "effects" on normal things, like the glass. ua-cam.com/video/laR0urVrikM/v-deo.html And then , of course, this video for the objects themselves. cheers.
I think a better explain for the bullet Training is that a tenet agent became inverted and fired a bunch of inverted bullets into the wall for the purpose of training other agents later
![Tenet || Inversion Visualized || Death and Wounds #3 [SPOILERS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Qv-bJIcZebc/mqdefault.jpg)
these animations will one day be used to plan the movie TENET
This comment is so underrated. It hurst my head thinking that thats how it would work inverted
In the past that is....
not so hurry. first they have to release the movie.
@@nirojanganan4591 they have to film it
Lol
For those who are wondering who is welby CoffeeSpill, he is non other than christopher nolan grand son who came here by inverting himself and gave an idea about tenet to christopher nolan so he did this film, that's it.
U r right 😂😂😂
Captain Obvious over here...
Yeah most likely!
This is funny but also inline with the movie
I love how you reversely allude to the grandfather paradox by saying the OP is grandson.
tenet is much underrated masterpiece in present.
but no worries, it will be well appreciated in the *PAST*
Underrated comment
agreed! love this movie and love Welby for explaining it clearly for people and fans!
Each to their own I guess. I found Tenet to be overhyped pretentious garbage.
@@judgeberry6071 LMAO NOT even close in the slightest. You have to be out of your mind to believe that rubbish in anyway or regrade.
The movie ISN'T "overhyped" either because while the emotional aspect wasn't completely overt for most audiences viewers to be compelled, it most certainly was still there tho. The movie got polarizing reception due it's complex nature the film already has a strong cult following due to it's great nature in filmmaking.
NOTHING about it is "pReTenIoUs" in anyway? Not a chance in hell it is. The movie is masterfully well written as people don't understand how well tightly packed the time inversion aspect of the movie its for it to work
Thankfully this channel Welby Coffeespill and among others UA-cam videos explaining Tenet showcases to viewers by explaining in detail on how the time inversion works correctly and how ingenious it is from scene to scene because there are LAYERS of events and sequences happening at once and you won't be able to get it all in first viewing.
NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all.
And most certainly, NOTHING about is is "gArBAGe" either in anyway. It's a well crafted, well shot, well acted, edited, and conceptualized film for it to be ANYWHERE close to "gArBagE", not even close.
Not liking it is one's opinion as they can't like everything but saying it's anywhere near "gABRaGE" is just objectively wrong as it hits all the notes on how to be a structurally well made film with a high concept premise.
You're crazy to actually believe all that rubbish.
@@Gadget-Walkmen I love the film I don't think anyone can take the time inversion concept and make it that mind blowing and clear. But I think why most critics don't like it is, because of the objective a common plot that says if this thing will get to the wrong hands it would destroy the world. Unlike Nolan's other films like communicate with your daughter through a fourth dimension or plant an idea inside of another brain. However restating it again I love the concept of the film I have not seen anything beautifully done and frankly make it possible in a film. It's just the plot is not unique. I do understand Nolan is trying to make a spy film though.
you can literally make you're whole entire youtube career on tenet videos, its not just making it easier for everyone to understand, but the way you explain it with the 3d models etc, always fun to watch, and i look forward for the next one!
they're really fun to make. Thanks. I will do the same 3d type visualization with the Opera, but I wanna schnaz it up some.
There is honestly not alot of solid info on it, vague circumstantial evidence. So I need to keep it clean.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Will you explain Predestination and Primer too
And of course Harry Potter Half blood prince
@@gurbanguliberdimuhamedov4228 I never seen Predestination , I should give that a try. Also, Primer I have only seen once and ended up on the floor. I should give that a second chance, hee hee.
or maybe a random youtuber had thought more about the movie than the writers and filmakers have. that's a more plausible explanation than anything. a spent bullet found its way into the chair lol
@@WelbyCoffeeSpillI think youll enjoy watching Predestination. Concept is pretty simple from its name only however the way they unfolded the story and when we can connect everything at the very end and come full circle gives you the satisfaction, head scratching and mind blown feel all at once. Hehe. Do watch it buddy
7:20 that bass drop whenever someone gets hurt got me laughing 😂
lmaoooo same
Yeah I audibly lol’d
Nolan watching this: Ahhh now i got it. Or no...
Now he starts writing the script
I like the idea of the radiation slowly disappearing and object eventually reverting to normal entropic progression with time. It could be the gold remains inverted longer because of how stable of an element it is.
Or perhaps the capsules are lead lined to keep the radiation in?
@@Peztllence both could be true
From my understanding this just solves a plothole that makes the movie work. We learned that inverted and normal particles annihilate each other, but the clothes they wear are inverted and they touch the normal air. So they should immediately die making the movie not possible. This would fix the characters interacting with each other which would kill the need for the radiation explaining how things that characters interacted with even got there in the first place. Tenet would not work in the "real" world from my understanding since you could not reverse entropy for only certain "particles", they would immediately annihilate. I might have misunderstood it though, it wrecks my brain too :D
@@DaGhost141It's not that inverted and normal particles anihilate each other, it's that the SAME particles anihilate each other when they meet, one inverted one normal. So as long as a inverted character's clothes don't touch the normal set of clothes it's fine
@@guil7290 Correct but particles dont know which particles they are. Basically the "winds" are only there for the viewers to not be too weirded out. If we wanna stick to real physics a bullet forming in wood is *theoretically* possible since entropy CAN reverse it's just impossibly uncommon. For this reason you don't need the winds for example. I love Tenet but imo they didn't find a clear line where to stick to real physics and where to add a bit of magic.
Just when I think I understand the movie, a video like this shows layers and details I hadn't thought of yet... Very cool explanations! Tenet's a masterpiece.
1:51 felt like one of those ads for a puzzle game with no actual puzzle difficulty
Sorry! Your gold fell into the lava.
And Sator was eaten by a Tiger!
:)
Except this one is really fuckin difficult to get right :D
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill well technically a Kat did kill him.
lol imagine if they made him one of those weird zoo billionaires and part of Kats murder plan was an inverted tiger.
Oh my god I finally understand the Sator's gold conundrum. It seemed so strange that he could just take that inverted gold from the capsule, sell it and become rich with it even though it should have continued to travel into the past and just disappear right away. But he wasn't digging it out, he was BURYING IT at Stalsk-12 right after he bought it in the future from the inverted gold's point of view. In fact both the act of buying and selling must happen 2 times and are inverted from different perspectives to maintain consistency.
From the inverted gold's point of view, sator dug it out in the future, sold it in the past, then bought it again even further into the past and finally buried it at Stalsk-12 in his youth so it might lie there for eternity. From Sator's point of view he found the gold in his youth, sold it right away, established himself and then rebought the gold in the future to bury it for posterity in order to secure the unbroken world line.
The original gold served to establish the timeline and bootstrap Sator but it wasn't suddenly "taken" from the capsule and its timeline wasn't broken, it was only temporarily repackaged before it was sent again on its way either way you look at it. Thanks, after watching so many videos I finally started to look at the Tenet world in the new way. It makes sense now.
As Priya said: "You have started looking at the world in a new way."
So you're saying before he has a turnstile he has to re-bury the inverted gold at some point otherwise it won't be there in his past for him to dig up, but once he as one he can just take the inverted gold from capsules and invert it and spend it as he wants ? I don't really understand what the problem is with taking the inverted gold and spending it beyond that.
I get that if he takes the gold now and doesn't re-bury it it can't be buried in the future, but what if he doesn't re-bury it ? And what if he keeps it and puts it in a turnstile ?
@@adrienperie6119 What's happened happened. If future Sator didn't do things properly it never would have happened as it should. But things happened as it should because he did things properly. Inverted gold has to maintain its own inverted timeline. The timeline being it's inverted and sent from the far future, the future rich Sator "finds it", digs it up and "sells it", then after a while the past Sator "buys it" it back, "gets poor" and puts it in the ground. From Sator's point of view he's poor, he digs up gold, sells it, gets rich, in the future he buys it back to bury it in the ground on the orders of the future guys in order to establish unbroken timeline.
This way both inverted gold's timeline is secured and Sator's past is bootstrapped. Since time works in a specific way in tenet (the entire time and all that has ever happened already happened) it makes sense because if it didn't it couldn't have happened. The first time inverted gold made contact with Sator was in fact in the future when he was burying it, correctly establishing the unbroken timeline for the inverted gold's journey. You're asking the question in the wrong way. Look at the things from the inverted gold's point of view. If something happened differently inverted gold's journey would not work as planned and Sator's past wouldn't have been established. There is no IF. Things happened the way they happened because there was no IF.
@@TheWoodenshark I understand that now, by burring the inverted gold Sator creates the conditions for it to be able to even be there in the first place. It means the gold has been there for basically forever when it is first dug up.
What's even harder for me to get and what I don't fully get yet is what he does for the other times he gets gold, he inverts it using the turnstile ? But if so, there is no longer inverted gold to be buried ? So gold is inverted in the future and buried, travels backwards in it's capsule underground until sator uncovers it, puts it in a turnstile and now it is normal gold to be spent. From Sator's point of view he buries a capsule, sends coordinates to the future, he sees gold appearing in the turnstile and on the other side there is inverted gold he has to bury in that capsule. I think I got it ? But man, that is just an amazing mind twister, can't help but feel bad for all the people choosing to opt out of using their brains by saying it's bull and doesn't work, and at the same time I despise the lack of respect they display at such amazing intellectual work that went into this, it's basically unseen in the movie world. What I hate the most is the people saying "there is nothing to understand, it's a paradox" so that they can feel better and put their brains to rest.
I, rejected those answers ;) (Andrew Ryan)
The timing of Sators' music motif when he clapped that thieving hood - I don't think I have laughed that much in months. "Tw@t". #'Weeeerrrrrp# hahahaha.
Whooo, a new Tenet visualiization video! What a nice treat.
It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer. - Albert Einstein
Holy moly, this was the last thing I couldn't wrap my head around in this film. This series of animations has been extremely helpful! Thank you for your service!
A couple of fun thoughts about the gold;
First, it's the perfect means for the future to pay Sator with because it does not oxidize(rust) and will remain perfectly normal(albeit inverted) gold pretty much forever. Whereas the *bullet* will eventually break down into lead oxides and disseminate into the environment... but from an outside viewpoint, lead oxides were drawn by the tree from the air and ground, somehow managing to form into a bullet inside the tree which is made into a chair, whereupon gunsmoke gathers around the bullet hole and re-forms into gunpowder as the bullet is un-fired.
Second, Sator killing his minion because he tried to steal some gold makes perfect sense when you think of the gold as not just money, but as potential *BOMB.* If the moron had managed to accidentally bring the reverted gold in contact with its inverted counterpart, it would have annihilated - and if conservation of energy is still in effect in the TENET universe, 27 pounds of gold annihilating another 27 pounds would produce a blast of roughly 1161 megatons. And the Tsar Bomba - the largest bomb ever detonated with a yield of just 53 megatons - made a crater *two kilometers wide.*
He didn't kill the schmuck for stealing from him(well not *just* for that), but because he risked an extinction-level event.
Hell, I'm pretty sure I would have killed the little gimp for that myself.
ha yeah,..that would be catastrophic.
That may also explain Sator's immediate Shocked Expression looking up just before that, when his other henchman is telling him what happened.
Like,.." Are you f(*&^n serious?!"
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Other spy villains have to worry about their mooks skipping maintenance or marksmanship drills. Sator has to worry about his minions accidentally *blowing up a continent.*
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Oh, quick thought; are you going to do a piece on how air is inverted for time travelers to breathe? Or could it be as simple as; "Normal mammals breathe oxy-nitrogen mix and exhale carbon dioxide. Inverted ones in effect, must have carbon dioxide in their environment to convert to oxygen - though to a normal observer, they are exhaling carbon dioxide into a storage device and breathing atmospheric oxygen. We are inverted, the world is not."
@@kalaong nah. none of that is necessary.
It's pretty simple to understand if you think about it.
Inverted people can't breath regular air. They need inverted air to match the direction of their lungs. So they carry around those masks and little air tanks, like a Scuba diver.
Inside the tanks is inverted air. That's where they get their oxygen, they breathe like normal. Therefore they must exhale inverted co2. Simple as that.
From a forward observer, all they'd see is co2 moving backwards back into the mask exhaust port.
I have ideas for a future video, far future. That just visualizes a bunch of random side things that people wonder about. Like how do you see or hear. I can include a brief thing on breathing there.
it's the first Tenet explanation (and I've watched like 10 of them at least) that deals with the worldlines of inverted objects. And it made some sense. Thanks.
I love the theory that the radiation of an inverse object could wear off, and that's why the lab tech and Tenet wear protective gloves in that first scene with inverted objects. It might not to prevent THEM from getting irradiated, but to protect the radiations from interacting and eventually canceling! (Course, then that brings up the question of how the gloves themselves would avoid somehow transferring radiation, but that's a question for the future. Or maybe Future!Me in the past!)
That ending sequence showing how Sator knew his henchman stole from him gave chills; I've been wracking my brain for months trying to figure out this scene! It all makes sense now, thanks! Is this the final video of Tenet you'll produce? I hope not, more animations please. This movie is so deep-I have an unopened 4K disc that I plan on keeping as a collector's item. Even though we live in an era of digital everything, this movie affected me so much, I have to have it in my presence physically at all times. Truly a masterpiece, thank you, Mr. Nolan (and you too, Welby)!!!
I think I may do one on the Opera scene next. There isn't much inversion going on but it somehow manages to be just as confusing.
That part is actually the part that threw me off.
I don't understand why they have to constantly bury and rebury and sent it back in time to send forward in time, over and over again.
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here! 🍷
@@evm6177 Imagine being this childish enough to copy and post the same nonsensical garbage over and over again. The OP comment's not even trying to agree with you in the slightest, you're just foolishly copying the same nonsense over and over again and foolishly liking you're own comment like an actually insecure fool would.
The movie doesn't "fails" on anything you idiot. And the movies EXPLAINS very well NOTHING about that is "pReteNTIoUs" in anyway but it's EARNED it's complexity achievement by succeeding on making a story that has various aspects to it all at once coherently throughout and how it's core writing is tightly packed together for the movie's time travel to work and make sense over all.
The only thing that's a "no surprise" is your idiotic comments and responses.
And your conceited "wine glass" rubbish just shows how foolishly conceited and narrow minded you really are.
Good job at liking your own insanely bad comments as well you fool.
@@bigmiki2620 I’m not sure they do have to.
When they get the algorithm, they don’t have to re-bury it. Of course, someone from the future creates it but still. I’ve seen no evidence that the future’s bad guys must provide the gold for it to be used later…to provide it to them.
You blew my mind with the gold reveal. To this day I always thought that was a massive plothole (how can he receive buried inverted gold from the past, as digging it up would prevent it from being buried). The concept that he first builds a turnstile and receives the gold from that is so genius. Well done.
I have no idea why digging it up would prevent it from being buried.
That logic isn’t applied anywhere else in the movie.
It was inverted, buried in the future, and discovered by Sator in the past.
They could have mined it from whatever gold already exists in their time.
No one asks how they could fire an inverted bullet, as if that would keep it from being manufactured or packaged at some other point in time.
@@westmcgee9320 no. Think about the timeline of the inverted gold. It's inverted in the future (so starts moving backwards through time) and is then buried. It would be streaming backwards through time whilst buried until Sator digs it up. But assuming Sator isn't inverted, the act of him digging it up means it's no longer buried underground throughout the future so it's a plothole. This video illustrated a way around that that makes sense and uses in-movie logic (the turnstiles). Very cool.
@@DannyDoesGuitar just sent back inverted capsule, with inverted gold within, from the future. And Sator would not be busy with re buring gold to maintain capsule for the future.
@@DannyDoesGuitar nope, this inverted gold just CAN do the path of normal gold and still be discovered by Sator. It's just question of perspective: for "blue" gold it is Sator who INVERTED. But more interesting question: how he managed to work with inverted gold? For exaple: bullet's in lab travel from table to hand - it is horrible to imagine all the Sators struggle, even if this question was answered in intructions from capsula.
years from now when someone understands this concept, they will create this video
I wonder how many explanations there are for this movie
Still there will be some difficulty in understanding
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here! 🍷
@@evm6177 Naw then there would be complaints of over explanation.
@@evm6177 hahaha. Don't like coming up with your own interpretations for things?
These videos are getting better and better! Well done.
AAAAAAAH it actually does make sense !!! NOOOOOOO HOWWW ....
Amazing.
Amazing video, amazing visuals just WOW.
Well done!
You are an absolute legend dude. Your videos help immensely. I am so happy that I understand the film more and more. But there is a lot more for me to discover. I probably have to watch your videos again and again. Keep it up!
I affirm that the operator of this channel is Christopher Nolan.
I’m a visual learner, simple stick figures is all that’s needed to explain the complexities of inverse chronology thank you so much!!! 😊
Me too. I totally make these videos just as much for myself to work things out.
Good to see that you're back. Love your tenet explanation vids.
The Return of the King
Imagine welby doing animation on science experiments, it would be next level ❣🙌 and I personally request welby on doing animations on science experiments in future, so that it would be more useful for science students ❤
Absolutely! He'd be the best ever!
not gonna lie. Even before Tenet, I'd be up at night watching all kinds of nerdy youtube videos on quantum physics for dummies.
This one stands out as one that inspired me.
ua-cam.com/video/Q1YqgPAtzho/v-deo.html
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I'm really inspired by your work,you're really great sir , could you please animate on science experiments more, so that it will be more helpful for science students visualisation
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thanks for sharing the link. Your videos are on point.
„Back to the wall. Which is more a slab of Stone.“ - the most important Discovery of the video :D
For the Rest Great Vid dude! Very well done.
3:59 and that precisely explains when TP first inverts and steps in that puddle, that water reacts before his foot makes contact with it. I remember people saying this is dumb because what if the water started reacting and TP decided to change his mind and not put his foot down. This breaks the world line. If TP decided to not touch his foot to the water than the water would not have reacted as if he stepped in it. It would simply not occur.
@GoharioFTW yep. Same with trying change your mind entering the turnstile.
If your intent is to troll the universe, you'll just be standing there all day waiting for something that you intentionally weren't going to do in the first place.
Honestly ty so much for like tackling this concept it has taken me forever to understand tenet which I love because I love to try to decipher confusing movies, a.k.a Christopher Nolan’s mind
This guy is a legend!!
Hey Man, really appreciate your explanation and thought process. I have personally watched your videos multiple times to understand what is happening in the movie. Please keep up the good work.
There indeed isn't that many movies that you have to watch videos multiple times explaining how things work in the movie.
You are the savior CoffeeSpill, what a gift to us for having this video
All of these videos, these works are incredible! Incredible explanation keep up with this great series!
The fact that the Presents causality on inverted objects changes the past for the inverted object is mind-blowing to me. So like you said, aslong as the action does not break the world line then any possibility that would cause an inverted object to go back to where it became first inverted will happen.
First Tenet Fucked My Mind Now His Explanations Are Fucking It Much Harder..😂❤
Loved Your Explanation
I still don't get it bro but thanks for trying
when we needed Welby CoffeeSpill the most, they return
So hard work, TENET is my favorite movie, watching this video again after 10 months
Great work
I'm glad there are some people who appreciate this amazing movie
Worldlines! Heck yeah, one of my favorite concepts; useful for solving so many paradoxes.
These animations are GOLD.
underrated youtube channel
The more I think about these details, the more I'd like to see some of them visually depicted in full live action/animation (as helpful as these simple 'action figure' animations definitely are for visualising these weird concepts) - for example, it would be wild to see how the inverted 'bad guys' from the more distant future buried their inverted gold for its journey far into the past; the act of them 'burying' it would actually be pretty complicated, with the ground actually coming together around their 'digging' rather than breaking apart.. like watching video of a hole being dug, the gold-containing capsule being extracted, and then the hole being filled again, all in reverse with 'backwards physics'.
The future dudes doing the burying would need to be inverted themselves, not just the inverse time capsule, because if they were moving forwards through time normally, their inverted gold would already be there when they first dug the hole to place it in, no matter where they dug it would just materialise there as soon as they went with the intention to place it there in their forward-moving minds... I need a lie down
I'd love to do a full on CG short of some scenarios. But if I want to do something looking better than simple colors and geo it will take a lot! :)
I love I still come back to these vids haha well done
This is my new favorite channel. God bless.
hello what is the first Soundtrack that you use from 0:00 TO 1:35
it is a loop I made using the soundtrack from the film.
Tenet: The Plan
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Alright, this is a banger, actually makes accepting the movie bearable. I shudder to think that Nolan thought this all through the same way, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I don't think Nolan thought this through all by himself. He probably came up with the idea of inverting objects in time then hired smart scientists and screenwriters to help him sort out the details such that everything would work.
Before watching this, I have no Idea or not understand what exactly Sator want from that gold. After watching this video, i was mesmerized by how well you understand the movie and realize that Sator is really f*ck*ng smart ahead them (PT, Neil, and Tenet)
I just assumed that damage from inverted objects doesn't exist eternally into the past, but it simply appears shortly before unhappening. In the Freeport battle, you see the Protagonist start bleeding from a fight that he's about to have with himself shortly before the battle actually happens. Then the damage reverses itself during the battle. It is similarly likely that there weren't always bullet holes in the glass. They appeared from the perspective of forward time shortly before the Protagonist unfired them. You even see the holes growing before the battle begins
I explore all of that in the previous two videos. #3 and #2.
I do make a distinction between the "effects' on Normal non-inverted objects, like the glass, and the actual inverted object itself, which this video #4 explores.
Great video! What is that scene with the woman talking to the man? It looks like a movie I would want to watch, but I don’t recognize it.
That Clip is from "The Messenger", which is totally Not a time travel movie. It is the story of Joan of Arc. But that scene was one of my favorite.
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Despite watching TENET 3 times in cinema, yet there are so many things... remained undigested in my mind. Yup, TENET is more complicated than MEMENTO, INCEPTION and INTERSTELLAR.
extremely helpful videos. the Hot Sauce dominos were a funny touch!
Consider this...
A forward moving particle enters the turnstile, inverts itself, comes out, comes in contact with it's forward moving self and they both get annhilated...
It's funny, because for a normal person watching this would see two identical objects popping out of thin air and then disappearing again into the turnstile.
So the annhilation point can be considered as both the origin and the ending of that particle.
So how is this possible, because most of the objects in the movie(including TP😅) has a well defined origin(if not a end).
I know it's the same *"can we change the past?"* question but this one, for some reason, seems more meaningful than the others.
The explanation Wheeler gives about annihilation seems odd due to Causality being broken.
If the forward particle was destroyed then it is not around to enter the turnstile to begin with. So that event is impossible to occur.
It IS possible if the only one annihilated is the inverted particle though. Wheeler was talking to an inverted Protagonist at the time so perhaps she meant Only He would be destroyed. But it is unclear in the film.
I always assumed Neil's body would decay backwards so when the bunker was built the dust that is Neil is also placed there by happenstance
yeah, I think that is perfectly acceptable.
I'm subbed and belled for this channel.
You just made my day.
Finally! I still have 50% grasp of how inverted object drop-off works.
As always, we live in a twilight world, Welby.
Edit: Watching these Tenet explanation videos is like an online class now lmao XD
Lol, as expected when a movie simply fails to explain its own pretentious self. No surprises here online classes indeed ! 🍷
1:42 Mafia City ads are getting real interesting these days
Thanks for this video but I simply cannot understand the gold flow. I feel like I'm too stupid even though I do believe I understand both inversion and un-inversion. So now I'm trying to build a timeline of where all objects are at all times. So for this: Are there one or two burrial sites (i.e. one or two positions in earth crust where burrial takes place)? What is burried where/when? Does the future bury anything and if so where? IS the inverted gold burried at 2:17 burried at the Stalsk-12 location? What about the inverted gold being burried at 2:31? Thx! :)
I am not home and non my phone but will try to respond. the gold at 2:17 can be anywhere, as long as it is where Sator tells the future his capsule will be.
the gold at 2:31 has to be in Stalsk 12, since that is a continuation of the Original Gold he found. But that is a one time thing, since he didn't have a turnstile at first.
I know it may be confusing. when I get home I can type more. cheers
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill thanks a lot! This will help me write up the timelines so I can be released. I need to understand it ;-)
@@mrmartin2258 at 2:48 it pretty much lays out the inverted Gold's journey. The journey of the very first Gold.
and the more faded inverted Gold under it is for all other normal drops. And once it is reverted in the machine, Sator can use the Red normal gold just like normal money.
Again thx for your response/efforts :)
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Some Q (I also attempted to write a commend yesterday but maybe I didn't press save): Is the 2:00 burial location is the same as 2:17 (so at 2:17 he just fills the capsule)? Also, are the capsules themselves inverted? This Q applies to all capsules that occur - original capsule undigging by Young Sator, the empty capsule burried at 2:00, the capsule mentioned at 2:17 and 2:31. Thanks - sorry for being dense :)
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Took me a while to wrap my head around this step.
I was wondering: “Okay but why did it manifest? It wasn’t streaming from the far future, who put the gold into the turnstile?”
But then I realised from the inverted gold’s perspective, Sator carries it into the turnstile and it dis-inverts allowing it to stream into the future.
"I don't care much for this, pretending we're back where we started. I want to know where we are, where we're going."
the more confusing the storyline the more fun it gets.
I love this movie so much, but can't understand it. Your videos are helping a lot! :)
He's back
the ending was amazing and funny lol
Trying to make sense of the time mechanics of Tenet is like trying to count the # angles dancing on the head of a pin.
You can jump through as many hoops as you'd like, but at the end of the day angels aren't real so it doesn't matter.
The problem with Tenet is that its treatment of "time" fails miserably regarding the actual physics of time-space.
Einstein would have hated this movie, and I did as well.
Can you explain why the Saab drove backwards if the car itself wasn't inverted? Or why the yellow ship sailed backwards through the water? The ship itself wasn't put through a turnstile, was it? So how do inverted people interact with vehicles? And what would be the difference between an inverted person firing an inverted bullet vs a forward bullet?
The Saab was probably inverted. But there are some ideas about how it would work if it wasn't too. I honestly haven't committed to either way yet.
The yellow ship wasn't sailing backwards. We were just observing the world from an inverted point of view.
The person being inverted or not doesn't matter as much as if the weapon/bullet is inverted or not.
An inverted person firing a normal bullet at a normal person would behave normal to us, ( but look inverted to them).
Thank you so much for making these
The way i try to follow tenet is by the way its described in the ending of the 2nd movie
"Dont understand it, just feel it"
can you do opera as well??
I already started that one actually,..but it's taking awhile.
It is actually much harder even though there isn't much time stuff going on.
The plot of who is who is vague and difficult to nail down without a lot of speculation.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill my god man thanks! ill waiting for that
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Just commenting here to also share my support for this.
@welby Cofeespill can you explain the building that was destroyed in the Stalsk-12 battle? How does it's worldline include its backwards explosion and its forward explosion. How was it constructed before this event in the first place?
The building is not inverted, yet was affected by an inverted force, the rocket from Blue team. Much like the glass in the airport, it could not have been built with such damage to begin with.
I explored this idea in another video. #2
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@@WelbyCoffeeSpill so the building is destroyed before they get there, but at some point in it's past the inverted force which caused its damage is reverted back to reality? So at some unknown point before the battle, the building collapsed? Interesting. Thank you for introducing this "entropic winds" explanation.
Thanks for using music from dark, a real nice touch
I still don’t get it…
There's no "possibility", choices are illusions this movie has a very deterministic view of time traveling.
Yes, there is only One way something happens.
I mean to say valid possibilities of an explanation , not implying something a universe building and branching based on criteria or a multiverse.
I use the word "possibility" when referring to explanations offered.
Because we don't observe something and can only guess at how something got there, we can theorize "Possibilities". but ultimately, there is only one right answer.
even with the graph and explanation, my mind can't comprehend how it works.
5:10 no no no, the hole on the chair was already there along with the bullet (the bullet was inverted) that means the long story tree into chair isn't valid, the logic way is neil shot the chair with the normal bullet then replaced the normal bullet with an inverted bullet, then waited the moment to catch up so neil can caught the inverted bullet with his empty gun which the bullet will ended up went through the guard body 1st before ended up in neil's gun
or Neil could just use regular ammo like any NORMAL HUMAN BEING WOULD.
Theres a sci-fi story about a character who is time reversed but is unable to move and only perceives the area around themselves. They find themselves being worshiped as a deity because from the forward persepctive this skeleton began to form followed by connective tissue, muscle, skin, until it was a screaming suffering person.
This is what is happening to inverted objects traveling backwards. From their perspective entropy is still increasing so they rust, decay, and fall apart into dust. This is equivalent to the radiation dissipation theory resulting in annihilation (it would likely appear similar to natural half-life radiation decay models so the object wouldn't wholly spontaneously annihilate but instead dissolve by radiation decay).
So the case for the bullet in the wall and chair from the forward perspective those bullets would "naturally" form within the wall and chair - essentially like Boltzmann brain (or Booltzmann bullet in this case).
So any inverted object basically moves towards a turnstile, i.e. towards its past. That bullet from the wall will absolutely have to be re-inverted later in our future (=in its past). But what if you took that inverted bullet that just came out of the wall and destroyed it? I mean, she took it out of the magazine, why couldn't she put it under a hydraulic press later? So it never gets inverted in the first place. Reminds me of the grandfather paradox. Thoughts?
yeah,..it would be very easy for her to do that. But if that was what was going to happen then events would be played out very differently to begin with I believe.
I am hesitant to apply the 'Dominant wind" idea to this, meaning, it would eventually form back to original state prior to unInverting, though. Since that effect of getting smashed isn't an inverted effect, it is in line with the dominant wind(forward).
If the bullet's "past" is to be forever crushed then perhaps it was even inverted like that. Like some soldier had a box of bullets going in and some where mashed. Only to be unmashed and used to be fired at the wall.
it's a good question.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill exactly. That's why Neil always says "what's happened is happened. So yeah, if bullet gets crushed we wouldn't see it proving glass, I guess?
@@mehmet.6553 there are so many other ways it could have played out that could work.
Yeah, what's happened happened. So the events as we saw them in the movie are locked in.
Things leading up to and after are just speculative.
But knowing and trusting that is IS possible as long as it's Causal World line is not broken will have to do for now.
And smashing the bullet at first glance does look like it would break it. So we can guess that she never would do that. And if she did then we'd have seen a different movie.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Welby explained it well! it's brilliant stuff!
2:03 how can gold just appear like that? The protagonist gets himself into the thing, but somebody had to put the gold in there and sator must have seen them, inverted or not, no matter if that person got in the turnstile or not
The very "Act" of Sator taking it out and putting it in the ground , when perceived backwards, is him digging it out and placing it Into the turnstile from the inverted Gold's point of view.
Another way to do this is invert yourself and dig it up and revert it. But that's just an additional step.
It's amazing how much work, money, and thought went into all these reverse action sequences, and how unexciting and dull they end up being.
When an idea is so mindblowing, it's like when I'm back in my days learning Einstein's theory of special relativity. How spacemen accelerating so fast that when they come back to Earth, they're still young but 50 years have passed, or how you're in a ship moving at near light speed, and you fly a smaller ship inside that ship, yet you're still not surpassing the speed of light. Mindblown.
Here's another crazy concept. Causality has a speed. It is the speed of light and we aren't really SURE why causality has a speed limit considering it's quantum nature. So you understand that the sun is roughly 8 light minutes away, meaning that if the sun where to perish we wouldn't see the lights go out for 8 minutes. But did you know that the EARTH itself wouldn't be affected by the loss of a gravitational orbit around the sun for 8 minutes as well. Even though the sun is absent we would still be locked into orbit like it DID exist because of the speed limit of causality.
I think I understand how Sator gets his gold from the future, but it looks like there's actually two stashes of gold, which wasn't initially clear to me from your animation. I just thought I should explain this for anyone else who was confused.
The 1st stash of inverted gold was sent by the future just so (normal) Sator could deposit it and get a loan to build the turnstile. Sator afterwards takes the 1st stash back and reburies it in order to maintain its world line from the future.
The 2nd stash of inverted gold also came from the future through a capsule (could be the same capsule for the 1st stash, but it doesn't really matter). From normal Sator's perspective, this inverted 2nd stash - along with its normal version - comes out of the newly-built turnstile because he 'reverse-caused' it to be there. This is just so he can use the normal 2nd stash for himself. Then Sator buries the inverted 2nd stash to maintain its world line from the future.
Also, I should add: Sator perhaps (but not necessarily) has to transmit the coordinates of this 2nd inverted stash because he could've buried it in a place not specified by the future (e.g. Stalsk-12), so the future needs to know where to bury this 2nd inverted stash. But Sator doesn't need to do this for the 1st inverted stash because Sator just happened to be at the right place and time to find this 1st inverted stash.
Yes.
The first time he does it, it has an extra step of returning the original gold.
After that it's much simpler, as you described.
Cheers!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Actually, that is a mistake in your analysis. The inverted gold cannot be placed into the chamber by someone who is not inverted, because that would happen in the past. The only way for an inverted person to re-vert is to go in from the future. That is why you see 2 duplicates coming out during Oslo. Inverted protagonist goes in and comes out the other side going forward in time. That is the version that Niel chases and sees. To the recently inverted protagonist the fight seen with himself already happened. To the regular protagonist it is happening and won't finish until the engine explodes later.
You know what, nevermind. I think you got it right.
@@atsmyles ha,..I know it can be confusing. I have given a lot of thought into it too.
Regular Sator is taking the inverted Gold out and burying it. But to the Gold,.he IS placing it in to revert.
Normal people Can handle inverted stuff.
Another way it can work is Sator just inverting himself and digging it up, then go back and revert both him and the Gold. Same result, But that's more steps, imho.
Ok, I think I understand why it wasn't clear. The point you missed is that the gold can't just appear in the machine. Someone inverted needs to place it in the machine from the future. That would mean that Sator can't get the inverted gold when the machine opens to burry it. The overall analysis otherwise in your video is spot on.
I love your videos!
What would be required to be written in the messages back and forth for this to work? Times + gps coordinates?
time and place, yep.
At the end of the film( spoilers), that is basically exactly what Kat left on the phone message. In the future, Protagonist sees that message and knows exactly where and when to be to stop Priya from shooting her.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill But how does not Kat die? When she makes the call there would be a really limited time before she gets shot right?
So was TP really really near to turnstile all the time? I really don't get that.
@@mehmet.6553 Imagine if you are in the future. Like Next Wednesday. you just notice you have a message on your phone.
It says, " I feel in danger. It is Monday, 10am. I am at Max's School".
That was two days ago.
So you go to a turnstile and invert back to Monday 9am. So now you have an hour to wait or prepare.
You could technically wait however long you want. No rush. As long as you are at that location and time you can stop the killer.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill so How's TP in future in this scenario? He must have witnessed or heard about Kat right? And in movie there's no time travel actually?
You got my question right?
@@mehmet.6553 I think so. There is no time travel like what we are used to seeing. Where they can Jump from one time to the other and even teleport.
If you want to go back two days, you need to spend two two days inverted.
And you are right. By the time TP gets the message, the event already happened.
By the time he got the message, his own future self was already there stopping it.
So he inverts and goes back and basically Is that man who stopped it.
There is Never a reality where he wasn't there to save her.
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I ordered my Domino's an hour ago.
Welby, when will you make this video?
maybe in a few years. I just saw Dunkirk and Nolan said his next film will involve some spy, action, time travel , so really looking forward to that one.
I still don't understand 2:03. Why both golds are there (red and blue)???
it is just like the scene in the movie where both protagonists pop out at the same time. ( I included a film clip in the video)
Imagine it from the inverted blue gold's perspective.
it is buried in the future. Then travels back to us.
It is unburied by Sator and taken to the turnstile and reverts to normal. That is where the red one comes from.
But from Sator's point of view, it appears from the turnstile, he takes it out and buries it. and it un-travels to the future.
this other video may help visualize that.
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@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you, sir!! May the luck be with you!
"They don't know that we know they know we know." - Princess Consuela Banana-Hammock 🧠
About the bullet holes in the glass, if we ask "where is it going", then does that the bullet hole "unholes" itself in the past? In normal perspective that is
1. Glass is built (without holes)
2. Glass cracks itself slowly/rapidly (for how long? did a crack just spontaneously appeared? People using the turnstile before TP and Neil did would have noticed)
3. Glass is un-holed by inverted TP who unshots the gun
Yes. I have another video about the effects on Normal things affected by Inverted objects here.
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@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you for your interesting and well-thought explanations about this mind-blowing movie! Would definitely watch your (inverted) videos from the future
The bullet in the chair has a decreasing Entrophie. I didnt exist some time ago, because on its way to the past it rust into pieces. Its particels are rust laying aroung.
For non-inverted people: Rust from diffrent places assembels themself into a bullet. Like a inverted burning paper actually gets restored from dust and smoke.
Where does the rust come from? (for non-inverted timeline)
So the bullet / pieces in the lab scene - is that debris / leftovers from the battle at the end of the movie? My head hurts
No, its just a wall with bullets in it that will be unshot in our future. Probably used by other agents testing it like Protagonist did.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thanks for the reply and for making these vids, they’re awesome! I wish he’d make a Tenet 2 just so I can see more inverted scenes lol
Oh. My. God. I had no idea this movie was THIS complicated. Dayum.
It isn't necessary. This is some deep dive nerd-stuff,.lol.
You can always take the film's recommendation and just "Feel It".
:)
What about the inverted air they breathe? Looking forwards, inverted people breathe it in from the atmosphere and exhale it back into the bottle?
a forward person, if they had some kind of measuring detector device, would observe the inverted person un-exhaling Carbon dioxide.
So basically there would be inverted CO2 in the air around them that they "inhale", but really it was exhaled by them from their point of view.
I really enjoy the explanations and models in your videos. All the important inversion moments are extremely well done.
However, I still can't understand the bullet holes in the airport. If the bullet hole is the glass is inverted, then it's travelling backwards. Does that mean that they installed a glass door with a hole in it? Or that Sator's men just walked by it without getting it replaced?
The brief idea about Neil's body being claimed actually totally works. It's possible someone from tenet inverted and picked it up, so that no body would been seen by Sator's men in there or during its construction
It appears when the event is about to happen. I think.
There are two things at play in my opinion.
The "Effects" done to Normal things as a result of an inverted Cause.
And the inverted Object itself.
I made a video , specifically involving the airport bullet holes, to try and describe the "effects" on normal things, like the glass.
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And then , of course, this video for the objects themselves.
cheers.
This is so interesting and mind boggling at the same time...
fiquei obcecado com essa forma de visualizar o futuro e passado, esse filme me enlouqueceu kkk
I think a better explain for the bullet Training is that a tenet agent became inverted and fired a bunch of inverted bullets into the wall for the purpose of training other agents later
This explains everything!!! Good job!!!!!