So many convince themselves they’re in the family, but they’re not. The truly born again have a hatred for sin. Your truly converted if this is you. The others think they’re in the family but they’re not,if sin is okay with them.
🤔 yes, but according to Jesus in John 3:3, 6:37, 6:44-45 & reiterated in John 6:65, we can only repent & place faith in Christ IF God has given us that desire (also John the Baptist in John 3:27) as there are NONE who seeks after God (Rom.3:11) and "men love darkness rather than light" (John 3:19) If we actually study scripture objectively, illuminated by the Holy Spirit, comparing scripture to scripture, in context, we should see that without God's Grace,(Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:3-7) no one would be saved from our SELF/SIN & HIS WRATH....Not based on our will, but HIS WILL (John 1:12-13, 12:37-41)❤️✝️
@@JAMESschwartz1 well, I understand, I didn't believe what I believe now when I first started studying the Bible. It has been very humbling to realize that I am nothing & the only thing I had to offer Jesus was my sin, as He has already done the work. Yes, I have turned from my sin in general (repented)...and continue to repent daily, but my sin is paid for, all by the Faithfulness of Christ & because of the Mercy & Grace of God. I can boast in nothing, except Christ & Him Crucified...I believe Him to be Lord of All, even my Salvation....but, HE had saved me (from Self & God's Wrath) long before I came to understand & believe in His Sovereign Will. ❤️✝️
But is that the same thing as a lost sheep joining the wolves? Still a sheep, but now with the wolves. Will that traitor sheep be taken home by the shepherd, or sent to the oven?
If they join with wolves & remain, were they ever sheep? Study John Chapter 10, where Jesus said in 10:3-5 & 10:25-30 where Jesus explains that those who follow Christ were given to Him by God & they hear His voice & only follow Him....and then John said, They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.-1 John 2:19 ❤️✝️
🤔 Really? Where does Paul say that? He would be contradicting his own words & the Words of Christ if he did 😮....maybe the problem is with how folks have been indoctrinated to believe, as Salvation is based on Christ's Righteousness & God's Will, not man's 🤷🏻♂️❤️✝️
I don't believe i will ever understand why while being adopted into the Family , why that evil is allowed to continue cause harm, danger , rape and even killed those be supposed protected in the Family
I doubt that I’m in “the family” it’s like I’m getting repentance and trust in Jesus wrong over and over and trying to “get it right” yet I believe I’ve gotten it wrong because I don’t think I’m in the family
@@sandman9390 let's just say that I believe it is a doctrine that leaves much to be desired, there are so many scriptures that speak clearly to that fact that 1) Sin separates us from God 2) that believers can come to the lord genuinely and depart from the faith 3) we know that there are those that will claim and will have done mirracles and sings in Jesus name and the LORD will deny knowing them and if you read the reasons why in the preceeding verses it's because they refused to repent.
@@TheNarrowGate_Lwazi well, it appears they come to the faith, but they were never truly converted, as Jesus assures us that HE will lose none of those the Father has Given Him in chapter 10 of John. Paul also reiterated this in Romans 8:26-39. John explains in 1 John 2:19, They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us. I confess that @ one time I believed that we could "lose" our salvation, or walk away from it, but now, I realize that true converts may fall, but they will never shuck off their faith. Jesus gives us insight on that matter in the parable of "The Sower & The Seed" aka "The Soils" ❤️🤔
@@sandman9390 well my brother these are the scriptures that I hear all the time in defense of this position, and I am sure that you know some of the scriptures I would use. I would perhaps say that the understanding of the scriptures you quoted differs, I believe that no one who wants to remain saved and genuinely believes will be snatched out of the hand of Jesus. This argument of whether a person was really saved or not is what you guys run to most and when presented with scriptures that clearly show that a person was indeed truly saved you hop on to the next point. Hebrews 6:6 tells clearly that these people were once enlightened, they tasted the heavenly gift, shared in the holy spirit, tasted the goodness of the word of God? How is it that these people wouldn't have been born again or how can you argue that they were not touched by God? My brother.. Think about this.. Many will be surprised in the last day when they claim to have spent their lives doing things in God's name but are denied and cast out? Do YOU PERSONALLY belive that if you continued to live in sin with the knowledge that you once gave your life to Christ will see heaven?
clearly this man never read the Prodigal Son. "24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate."
@@sandman9390 Most Christians believe that Salvation can be lost. There as many many passages that teach this. OSAS is a modern invention that does not hold up to Scripture.
@@askthiscatholic3941 🤔 Well, I don't place my faith in "most Christians" 😉....but you are welcome to your opinion😊 👉All 👈that the Father gives me 👉will come to me, and 👉whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 👈For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 😊👉And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”-JESUS, in John 6:37-40 My sheep hear my voice, and 👉I know them, and they follow me. 👈👉I give them eternal life, and they will never perish👈, and 👉no one will snatch them out of my hand.👈👉 "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, 👉and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.👈 I and the Father are one.”-JESUS, in John 10:27-30
@@askthiscatholic3941 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 👉And He who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, 👉because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God👈. And 👉we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, 👉for those who are called according to his purpose. 👉For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son👈, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And 👉those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. 👈👉What then shall we say to these things? 👉If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 👉Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? 👉It is God who justifies. 👈Who is to condemn? 👉Christ Jesus is the one who died👈-👉more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 👈 👉Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” 👉No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.👉 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord👈.-Romans 8:26-39 People who believe they can "lose" their salvation are trusting in either their religion, or themselves....but Salvation is from the Lord, & for the Lord, because Salvation belongs to God, & Jesus is the Captain of our Salvation....He alone saves us from SELF & God's Wrath, for HIS Glory, by Grace, through Faith in Jesus Christ (see Eph.2:8-10) & For HIS Will, Plan & Purpose...and for HIS Good Pleasure 🙌✝️
@@askthiscatholic3941 those that "APPEAR" to "lose" their salvation, or walk away from Christ & die in their sin & unbelief, only do so because they were never actually "born from above", aka "Born Again" (Jesus, in John 3:3-8) We can tell from the Parables of "The Sower & The Seed" aka "The Soils", that those who fall away, or fill our churches, yet bear no fruit, are not actually His. Only the soil that HE Prepared is Good Ground & produces fruit, because only those "Born Again" by the Will of God (John 1:12-13) will be connected to The Vine(study John ch. 15) and produce fruit & Worship God in Spirit & Truth (John 4:24) John explained it this way, They went out from us, 😮👉but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us;👈👀 👉but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us👈👀.- 1 John 2:19
@@Paige-Turnner if you repent, you can’t do anything to get out of faith. Meaning if I were to repent today and kill tomorrow, will I then still be saved? No. His words are blasphemy in the highest order
The Bible is clear that salvation is conditional - we must walk in the light (1 John 1:5-10). No, that doesn’t mean to be perfectly sinless. If we are not walking in the light, the blood of Jesus no longer is continually cleansing us. It is possible for Christians to lose hold of their own salvation, or “fall from grace” (Galatians 5:4). “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life” (Revelation 2:10).
Yes, salvation is conditional. It is on the condition that God Calls one & chooses them & draws them to His Son....(John 3:3, 6:44-45, Rom 8:26-39, etc, etc
@@rh9626 that is not exactly what I said. All men are free to make choices, but they will only make choices within the parameters of what they are. If you offer a lion a basket of the very finest lettuce, cabbage, carrots & kale and set a basket of cheep bloody meat, which will he choose? Jesus said that man, left to themselves, love darkness, so they will choose what serves self. God, in His great Love, Mercy & Grace, Chose to save a remnant of the creature He made in His own image, before it was ruined by sin. He has chosen to save SOME from every tribe, peoples, tongues & nations Rev.7:9, but it seems to me according to scriptures like Acts 13:48, Eph.1:1-11, Rom. 8:26-39, John Ch. 10, etc...that He has placed souls among the condemned, that "have ears to hear" & "eyes to see"....whose hearts are "good ground" and they respond to the Gospel when God draws(drags) them to Christ(John 6:44,65) ❤️✝️
Revelation 2:10 was written to and for the church of Smyrna, during a time of brutal persecution. Context is key, and we cannot take verses meant for people of the past and apply to them to ourselves and current age.
@@rh9626 I didn't say we don't have choices. I am not sure why my comment was deleted, but the choices we make will be within the confines/parameters of who we are. No one can come to Christ by their "own" volition. They must be given that desire by God....they must be drawn by Him. Please study the following scriptures & passages. John 1:12-13, 3:3-8, 3:18-19, 36, Romans 8:26-39, Ephesians 1:1-14, 2:8-10....there are many more, but but these may help to understand that it is God's Choice, based on His Will, plan & purpose ❤️✝️
Wrong. You choose him and to follow his will. You can also fall away if you choose him and than don't continue to worship and pray and seek after him. It's in the Bible. Coming back to your first love. Why would anyone need to come back if they can't be let go. That's like giving a license to sin. So no you can come in and go out and reject all together. God does not force anyone to do anything. Otherwise this person preaching on wretched would never sin again being in God. Yet he does. So I guess God makes him sin? No he does cause he has free will. Doesn't matter how much he yells it. It is false calvinism doctrine.
Please include all the scriptures that say we have "freewill"...I am still looking for them & it would help tremendously, cuz since I can't find them, I tend to believe that salvation is based on God's Will, like it says in John 1:12-13🤷🏻♂️❤️✝️
So many convince themselves they’re in the family, but they’re not. The truly born again have a hatred for sin. Your truly converted if this is you. The others think they’re in the family but they’re not,if sin is okay with them.
timely word brother Todd. hits home
"you cant do anything to get in"....except repent and put your trust in His beloved son.
🤔 yes, but according to Jesus in John 3:3, 6:37, 6:44-45 & reiterated in John 6:65, we can only repent & place faith in Christ IF God has given us that desire (also John the Baptist in John 3:27) as there are NONE who seeks after God (Rom.3:11) and "men love darkness rather than light" (John 3:19) If we actually study scripture objectively, illuminated by the Holy Spirit, comparing scripture to scripture, in context, we should see that without God's Grace,(Ephesians 2:8-10, Titus 3:3-7) no one would be saved from our SELF/SIN & HIS WRATH....Not based on our will, but HIS WILL (John 1:12-13, 12:37-41)❤️✝️
@@sandman9390 I agree with all those verses, I just may not interpret them the way you do.
@@JAMESschwartz1 well, I understand, I didn't believe what I believe now when I first started studying the Bible. It has been very humbling to realize that I am nothing & the only thing I had to offer Jesus was my sin, as He has already done the work. Yes, I have turned from my sin in general (repented)...and continue to repent daily, but my sin is paid for, all by the Faithfulness of Christ & because of the Mercy & Grace of God. I can boast in nothing, except Christ & Him Crucified...I believe Him to be Lord of All, even my Salvation....but, HE had saved me (from Self & God's Wrath) long before I came to understand & believe in His Sovereign Will. ❤️✝️
Predestination is real, the Father knew all of his elect before he created everything.
I can leave anytime, if I was to have a mind to, but why would I
Oooooh, I really needed to hear this. Thank you So Much!
Encourage each other to help others not have a sinful unbelieving heart … always good practice
But is that the same thing as a lost sheep joining the wolves? Still a sheep, but now with the wolves. Will that traitor sheep be taken home by the shepherd, or sent to the oven?
If they join with wolves & remain, were they ever sheep?
Study John Chapter 10, where Jesus said in 10:3-5 & 10:25-30 where Jesus explains that those who follow Christ were given to Him by God & they hear His voice & only follow Him....and then John said, They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.-1 John 2:19 ❤️✝️
We had different upbringings
You can most definitely lose your salvation...at least Paul thought so...
🤔 Really? Where does Paul say that? He would be contradicting his own words & the Words of Christ if he did 😮....maybe the problem is with how folks have been indoctrinated to believe, as Salvation is based on Christ's Righteousness & God's Will, not man's 🤷🏻♂️❤️✝️
@@sandman9390 1 Corinthians 9:27
If you could lose your salvation, you would.
@@sandman9390 I Corinthians 9:27
We're royalty. I love it. I sleep deeply in this certainty. Every night.
1 Corinthians 9:27
This is beautiful
Preeeeeeach
Amen🎉
Amen🙏
I don't believe i will ever understand why while being adopted into the Family , why that evil is allowed to continue cause harm, danger , rape and even killed those be supposed protected in the Family
Because we live in a sinful world. Our salvation is protected, but our bodies are still in this fallen world.
because of SIN....maybe studying Romans 8:26-39 might help you. ❤✝️
I doubt that I’m in “the family” it’s like I’m getting repentance and trust in Jesus wrong over and over and trying to “get it right” yet I believe I’ve gotten it wrong because I don’t think I’m in the family
Can I ask, how do you think you’re getting it wrong? In what ways? Asking in hope that I can help, God willing.
God is faithfull , i watched your testimony
But it gets hard sometimes , hang on
You are not the only one
Unless you fail your way out. According to calvinists.
Doesn't sound entirely true. Not buying it.
Hey barny fife sit down & talk like a normal person.
This teaching worries me honestly
Why?
@@sandman9390 let's just say that I believe it is a doctrine that leaves much to be desired, there are so many scriptures that speak clearly to that fact that 1) Sin separates us from God 2) that believers can come to the lord genuinely and depart from the faith 3) we know that there are those that will claim and will have done mirracles and sings in Jesus name and the LORD will deny knowing them and if you read the reasons why in the preceeding verses it's because they refused to repent.
@@TheNarrowGate_Lwazi well, it appears they come to the faith, but they were never truly converted, as Jesus assures us that HE will lose none of those the Father has Given Him in chapter 10 of John. Paul also reiterated this in Romans 8:26-39. John explains in 1 John 2:19, They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.
I confess that @ one time I believed that we could "lose" our salvation, or walk away from it, but now, I realize that true converts may fall, but they will never shuck off their faith. Jesus gives us insight on that matter in the parable of "The Sower & The Seed" aka "The Soils" ❤️🤔
@@sandman9390 well my brother these are the scriptures that I hear all the time in defense of this position, and I am sure that you know some of the scriptures I would use. I would perhaps say that the understanding of the scriptures you quoted differs, I believe that no one who wants to remain saved and genuinely believes will be snatched out of the hand of Jesus. This argument of whether a person was really saved or not is what you guys run to most and when presented with scriptures that clearly show that a person was indeed truly saved you hop on to the next point. Hebrews 6:6 tells clearly that these people were once enlightened, they tasted the heavenly gift, shared in the holy spirit, tasted the goodness of the word of God? How is it that these people wouldn't have been born again or how can you argue that they were not touched by God? My brother.. Think about this.. Many will be surprised in the last day when they claim to have spent their lives doing things in God's name but are denied and cast out? Do YOU PERSONALLY belive that if you continued to live in sin with the knowledge that you once gave your life to Christ will see heaven?
So this dude peach fallse but he change WOW
What is false?
I heard him say in past that turning from sins is not a work.
clearly this man never read the Prodigal Son. "24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate."
So, what do you think that means?🤔
@@sandman9390 Most Christians believe that Salvation can be lost. There as many many passages that teach this. OSAS is a modern invention that does not hold up to Scripture.
@@askthiscatholic3941 🤔 Well, I don't place my faith in "most Christians" 😉....but you are welcome to your opinion😊
👉All 👈that the Father gives me 👉will come to me, and 👉whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 👈For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
😊👉And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”-JESUS, in John 6:37-40
My sheep hear my voice, and 👉I know them, and they follow me. 👈👉I give them eternal life, and they will never perish👈, and 👉no one will snatch them out of my hand.👈👉 "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, 👉and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.👈 I and the Father are one.”-JESUS, in John 10:27-30
@@askthiscatholic3941 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 👉And He who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit,
👉because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God👈. And 👉we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,
👉for those who are called according to his purpose. 👉For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son👈, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And 👉those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. 👈👉What then shall we say to these things? 👉If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 👉Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? 👉It is God who justifies. 👈Who is to condemn? 👉Christ Jesus is the one who died👈-👉more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. 👈
👉Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
👉No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.👉 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord👈.-Romans 8:26-39
People who believe they can "lose" their salvation are trusting in either their religion, or themselves....but Salvation is from the Lord, & for the Lord, because Salvation belongs to God, & Jesus is the Captain of our Salvation....He alone saves us from SELF & God's Wrath, for HIS Glory, by Grace, through Faith in Jesus Christ (see Eph.2:8-10) & For HIS Will, Plan & Purpose...and for HIS Good Pleasure 🙌✝️
@@askthiscatholic3941 those that "APPEAR" to "lose" their salvation, or walk away from Christ & die in their sin & unbelief, only do so because they were never actually "born from above", aka "Born Again" (Jesus, in John 3:3-8)
We can tell from the Parables of "The Sower & The Seed" aka "The Soils", that those who fall away, or fill our churches, yet bear no fruit, are not actually His. Only the soil that HE Prepared is Good Ground & produces fruit, because only those "Born Again" by the Will of God (John 1:12-13) will be connected to The Vine(study John ch. 15) and produce fruit & Worship God in Spirit & Truth (John 4:24)
John explained it this way, They went out from us, 😮👉but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us;👈👀 👉but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us👈👀.- 1 John 2:19
This is blasphemy.
In what way? You just make random statements and don't back it up?
@@Paige-Turnner if you repent, you can’t do anything to get out of faith. Meaning if I were to repent today and kill tomorrow, will I then still be saved? No. His words are blasphemy in the highest order
@@Pound4Pound23 that doesn't sound like a person who has truly repented in the first place..
@@Paige-Turnner I understand though a repented man still sins and still makes mistakes.
@@Pound4Pound23 but shouldn't be planning to sin... That's a little different from making a mistake..
The Bible is clear that salvation is conditional - we must walk in the light (1 John 1:5-10). No, that doesn’t mean to be perfectly sinless.
If we are not walking in the light, the blood of Jesus no longer is continually cleansing us. It is possible for Christians to lose hold of their own salvation, or “fall from grace” (Galatians 5:4). “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life” (Revelation 2:10).
Yes, salvation is conditional. It is on the condition that God Calls one & chooses them & draws them to His Son....(John 3:3, 6:44-45, Rom 8:26-39, etc, etc
@@sandman9390 if that was true, then what’s the point of even talking about this? You say we don’t have any choice in the matter, so what’s the point?
@@rh9626 that is not exactly what I said. All men are free to make choices, but they will only make choices within the parameters of what they are. If you offer a lion a basket of the very finest lettuce, cabbage, carrots & kale and set a basket of cheep bloody meat, which will he choose?
Jesus said that man, left to themselves, love darkness, so they will choose what serves self. God, in His great Love, Mercy & Grace, Chose to save a remnant of the creature He made in His own image, before it was ruined by sin. He has chosen to save SOME from every tribe, peoples, tongues & nations Rev.7:9, but it seems to me according to scriptures like Acts 13:48, Eph.1:1-11, Rom. 8:26-39, John Ch. 10, etc...that He has placed souls among the condemned, that "have ears to hear" & "eyes to see"....whose hearts are "good ground" and they respond to the Gospel when God draws(drags) them to Christ(John 6:44,65)
❤️✝️
Revelation 2:10 was written to and for the church of Smyrna, during a time of brutal persecution. Context is key, and we cannot take verses meant for people of the past and apply to them to ourselves and current age.
@@rh9626 I didn't say we don't have choices. I am not sure why my comment was deleted, but the choices we make will be within the confines/parameters of who we are. No one can come to Christ by their "own" volition. They must be given that desire by God....they must be drawn by Him. Please study the following scriptures & passages. John 1:12-13, 3:3-8, 3:18-19, 36, Romans 8:26-39, Ephesians 1:1-14, 2:8-10....there are many more, but but these may help to understand that it is God's Choice, based on His Will, plan & purpose ❤️✝️
Wrong. You choose him and to follow his will. You can also fall away if you choose him and than don't continue to worship and pray and seek after him. It's in the Bible. Coming back to your first love. Why would anyone need to come back if they can't be let go. That's like giving a license to sin. So no you can come in and go out and reject all together. God does not force anyone to do anything. Otherwise this person preaching on wretched would never sin again being in God. Yet he does. So I guess God makes him sin? No he does cause he has free will. Doesn't matter how much he yells it. It is false calvinism doctrine.
Please include all the scriptures that say we have "freewill"...I am still looking for them & it would help tremendously, cuz since I can't find them, I tend to believe that salvation is based on God's Will, like it says in John 1:12-13🤷🏻♂️❤️✝️