Thank you Pastor MacArthur! As a woman I had struggled with this but I understand it now through the help of the Holy Spirit and it’s God’s Word!❤ Amen!
66 books, no female authors, no female apostles, no scriptural reference for the qualifications of female "elders". Amazing! Bless you guys and Pastor John.
@@8784-l3b They also did what was right in their owns eyes in that time....Not what God called them to do....The book you referenced was Judges......Chapter 17:6 says In those days there was no King in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Judges was a history book no a prophetic book...and it's clear that they did whatever they wanted rather than what God wanted...Like appoint a woman to be a Judge.
@@mizzoustud73172309 What is below was taken from my short and free essay on Deborah: THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 I could have posted more, but the essay can be posted, should you wish a study.
One of God’s judgments at that time was to appoint women over the men because the men had become "worthless." Going back to the fall and Adam and Eve, the man would look to exert unloving authority over the woman, but the woman would desire to rule the man. The Husband is the head of the wife as Christ is head of the church. It's not about value, it's about God's order. The wife can't be the husband and in the church the woman can not lead the man. A man's duty before God is to lead, protect, and teach. Whether over his own family or over a church.
@@bradyoung4921 Deborah's story was taught for about 1000 years before the New Covenant. She was one of the better Judges. Everyone knew she was a pastor, according to the scriptures (which I can post). Everyone knew there was no gender qualification to be a Judge over Israel. Also, Deborah was married.
Before anyone mentioned women pastors, I attended a church around 2012 that had hired a woman to preach, it did not rest well with my spirit. I left that church and refuse to attend any church that supports women as preachers. I am thankful for ministers such as John MacArthur.
The Bible is and was clear. However males translated the Bible and diminished the original writing and purposes of women in the Book. Fortunately the younger theologians are not afraid of the true context of the words. I used to believe the lesser role assigned by translators (and pastors that should have known better since they went through seminary) was the truth. God created THEM in His image. The description is not “helper” as in assistant. The word ezer means match or partner, kenegdo means power,strength, lift him up. A woman isn’t less in Gods eyes. She completes a man.
@@deborahgrantham7387 I’m sorry that you’ve bought into the woke agenda that has infiltrated many churches, but you are incorrect. Are women as valuable as men? Yes! Of course. Is God’s design that men and women should serve different roles? Absolutely. The Bible is clear on this issue. Women should not be pastors nor leaders in the church. To say otherwise is to put your wants above God’s word. In as much as the King James Bible, it was translated perfectly. The other modern translation “bibles” have been compromised. In that much you are correct.
@@deborahgrantham7387 Even if Paul meant it as these "scholars" claim; it's God's prerogative to change His mind. Genesis 6:6-7 New King James Version 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
@@deborahgrantham7387 Also Paul did not write 1 Timothy, and "apostle" is a title translators invented by transliterating rather than translating (it would be translated missionary).
@@deborahgrantham7387here we go with more women committing sorcery, contempt, and blasphemy by preaching false gospel. My question is why are modern women so determined to throw away their salvation just to temporarily have their way? Because it makes no sense to read the scripture and then twist and lie about it…you’re condemning yourself and anyone who listens to you. You’re either an all in Christian or you’re not a Christian at all. It’s that simple. And we’re not equal in roles or authority, only equal in value.
This is one of the reasons given for Paul's position on women not teach, nor to usurp authority over the man 1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. So it is obvious that this same reason would apply to all churches. There is a reason the serpent approached Eve to make his argument and not Adam. We were created with different strengths and weaknesses for different roles.
Ja 1957- God told Adam not to eat from that Tree , man ( Adam) told eve. God told Adam to take authority over every creating thing. ADAM Disobed. Adam did not protect his wife. He blamed God for giving him that woman. What do you have to say now ????
@@shyloh1980 You can spin it any way you want but Paul is clear: Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@shyloh1980 So you think that he was wrong when he said: "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression". That was his basis for the comment concerning why women were not to hold positions of authority over men in the church. So we are to believe that you have a better understanding of the things of God than Paul. You are neglecting to accept his explanation of why this is a universal rule for the whole church. That is :Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. He is saying that Satan went after Eve for a reason rather than trying to convince Adam. Eve was easily deceived. When Adam saw what his wife had done, he too took the fruit, but not because he had been deceived. I believe he did not want to be left alone in the garden and have Eve expelled, he loved his wife. This is the first example of a man following the leadership of a women in spiritual matters. It did not end well. We call it the fall of man for a reason. No the problem with allowing women to hold positions reserved for men is made clear when you look at the fall in the garden. Men and women are different with different strengths and weaknesses. Satan identified one of those weaknesses in Eve and exploited it to further his war against God. The earlier churches and believers had little difficulty in understanding the universal application of Paul's writings. This has only recently become a controversy among some churches. It is a very dangerous road to follow when we say God's word does not mean what it clearly says. May God open your eyes to the presence of wolves among the sheep.
Here's part of this problem. I was at a recent Freedom Night hosted by Charlie Kirk, and his guest was George Barna, an expert on "worldview". He made a statement that almost floored me so I want to share it. "Only 1 out of 8 children of PASTORS has a biblical worldview". Chew on that one awhile. His most recent book is called "Raising Spiritual Champions". I also left a church last year where I was also on the worship team, as they "ordained a female pastor", as #2 pastor in the church, and did preach from the pulpit twice while I was there. I walked out both times. I never thought in my lifetime that I'd see that happen in a BIBLE CHURCH!
Actually, John is either mistaken or trying to swallow the inheritance of the Lord. The inheritance of the tribe of Levi is the Lord. Deuteronomy 18:1-8 New King James Version The Portion of the Priests and Levites 18 “The priests, the Levites-all the tribe of Levi-shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel; they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and His portion. 2 Therefore they shall have no inheritance among their brethren; the Lord is their inheritance, as He said to them.
The Australian Lutheran Church is facing a seemingly unwinnable battle on this topic. I'm new to the church but my heart bleeds, and I don't know if I could sincerely attend a church that endorses a blasphemy. Am I wrong? Help me out here...
I am a woman and I know that I should not, and do not preach in the corporate fellowship known as Church. But, there are many women whom cannot and do not want to hear truth from Gods word, which is why The Lord cannot be, and is not in those fellowships.
If people don't care what God says, nothing matters. Despite everything else The Word says, God says "the office of a Bishop MUST be the husband of one wife" That excludes females, Catholics, Mormons and others. We all know it means "head of a church".
There is only one female Judge in the bibal called Deborah and there are many historical powerful female heads of states Like Elizabeth I and the second Queen Elizabeth, but they are only the exceptions.
Spot on! This is exactly what the Bible teaches, and bless Pastor MacArthur for his courage to speak the truth in such a loving manner. There are all sorts of areas for service in the Kingdom of Heaven and in the church. It is capricious and frankly, ridiculous that in the 21st century where women are allowed to be employed in any number of fields, that some would insist on becoming pastors or elders. The Bible is very clear about this not being allowed, so there is no room for rebellion nor disobedience, the two very things that happened in the Garden of Eden. To take a simple example, why not serve the Lord working in IT? Nothing and no one prevents a woman from working in tech. Women can study like men and become certified in any number of highly valuable skills in this day and age. Why not build and maintain a website for the local church? Why not help set up live online events for the world to hear the pastor preach? Why not work with software and manage ITSM (IT Services Management), ensuring the right people have software licenses, setting up the user roles, permissions, access levels, maintaining their databases? Developing mobile apps to help promote the Gospel, encourage Bible studies, and use APIs to enhance any existing apps the church may need? Why not help missionaries reach forbidden places digitally? Help catalog years' worth of sermons and make them available to the world? Scan and help reformat legacy content so as to make it available for centuries to come? What about web design and graphic arts to produce astonishing presentations and to help design newsletters, church bulletins, pamphlets, and outreach materials for evangelism, and press releases? What about setting up notification apps for mass updates, including proper encryption, preparing in case there's serious persecution? It's never too late to brush up on basic cybersecurity and to help protect the church's digital assets. These are just a few examples of the many ways in which women can serve in the digital age helping to support the work of the male pastor(s) and church leadership without in any way overstepping God's law as set out in the Bible. It's time to remember our calling as Christian women to be set apart and not be influenced by the feminist agenda nor the culture. May the Lord help us walk in His ways.
@KarinaStavenes Just Watch John MacArthur Shock Claim: Take the mark of the beast and go to heaven! And, no, you can't get the mark of the beast and still go to heaven.
First comment at 32 seconds after posting. Nice. Love the ministry guys. One of my dreams as a multimedia specialist myself is to visit the studio one day.
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant, with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant, makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
@@javelinblue5414 God gave a woman the authority to judge homicide cases, and therefore execute men. Paul wrote he was a 'father'. I've got to go with God on this one.
Although I certainly am not a calvinist, but MacArthur is 100% correct on male leadership. How can the head of man be a woman? If you find this hard to swallow then maybe you will swallow Christ being the head of God!!!!!
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 According to Deuteronomy, a Judge could judge homicide cases. According to Deuteronomy, the verdict of a Judge could not be altered.
I know where you got that idea. That comes from an interpolation into 1 Corinthians, which says women should cover their heads because the angels and nephilim are attracted to them. The head thing is merely an attempt to explain why that is. Then there's a second interpolation claiming that hair is the covering, giving a stoic explanation which contradicts the Bible (men who took a Nazarite vow were not allowed to cut their hair, and Paul took this oath according to Acts).
I will say there is a biblical difference between Elder and Preacher in the original language/translation. While I am one who agrees, at the very least that the Elders of the church are to be men, I can see a valid argument stating women can still preach (teach). Not saying it’s 100% right or wrong, but can see that side of the argument to a degree.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described. God ruled Israel through the Judges. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@td5224 The word "Judge" in the Book of Judges does not translate to modern English. It wasn't a civil position. As it says what happened when a Judge died: But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 A Judge could judge homicide cases. If a man committed the sin of premeditated murder, the Judge was required to give the verdict for execution. This is the ultimate in spiritual authority. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Essay is a 15 minute read and explains all this even more.
@@8784-l3byou argue with the Author of scripture? Makes sense? Even nature teach man leadership over the woman, and that's a woman's pride-being under her man!
God still used women in powerful ways and women were also influential. It was a woman who had the privilege of sharing the good news that Jesus had risen. Why did Jesus see it fit to commission her to tell the Apostles and not just appear to men first? Some men seem to think that they are exalted above women instead of recognizing that women do lead alongside them in the Lord's work. A Christian woman is an example to her non-Christian husband in spiritual matters. Surely the role of women is more complex than just a matter of gender.
Jesus discipled women and told them what their role was. and that is to support their husbands. not to lead their husbands, or any man for that matter.
We get it already! Women are not and cannot be pastors! I am tired of this topic. I've been a Christian 35+ years and never once did it occur to me to want a woman pastor or to be upset that there weren't any women pastors. I just never really thought about it much. Scripture is crystal clear, and that was the end of it for me. Nor was it ever an issue in my church(es.) Again, it was just understood, because it was Scripture. End of story. Suddenly everyone's pretending to be confused on this. It's everywhere. I don't even know why. Unfortunately, a side effect I am seeing is it's starting to create (or maybe just reveal?) a disturbing level of resentment, even hatred of women, among supposed Christian men. I've never seen that before. It's very disturbing. I never realized so many Christian men think of us as too stupid and/or evil to study Scripture. We can't even read it aloud in church. And that the ONLY biblical role for women is to be wives and mothers. ANYTHING else is sin. That's the attitude and what I'm seeing. I guess those of us for whom God did not grant the blessing of marriage and/or children don't even exist. Again, this is new to me. I've never seen this before, in 35+ years of being a Christian and involved in church life.
I mean, it has to be defended because it's a big deal right now because our culture has gone insane, and now "scripturally sound" Christians are coming out of the woodwork to support woman pastors.
A Judge was a pastor. Deborah was a Judge. This is in scripture. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. If anyone really wants a study, I can paste up my essay on Deborah. (Or parts of it.)
If anything I’ve seen the total opposite. It’s created a jezebel spirit where women resist and try to fight against men and twist scripture to fit their own narrative instead of reading the plain text.
MacArthur is erroneously misinterpreting text as Paul was speaking to the church in Corinth. But even if it were so as MacArthur says that Paul yadda yadda yadda. It is always God's prerogative to change His mind. Genesis 6:6-7 New King James Version 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Here he starts out with the all in verse of Tim 2:12 where Paul says, "I do not permit." Believing in the inspiration of scripture, those words of Paul are by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The plain reading of that verse is that this is Paul's personal perspective. By the Holy Spirit, Paul does not say, "God does not permit" or even "you should not permit." This, by a plain reading, is not a universal doctrine, rather it comes across a bit like a bluff.
If we are to take Scripture literally in all situations -- regardless of culture or context -- then we must accept that Scripture also calls a pastor to be the "husband of one wife"...So how many single men have been disqualified from preaching on these grounds?? I would venture to say, NONE. God calls whom HE calls. And when He calls, we--Jew, Gentile, Greek, slave, free, male, female--are to respond, faithfully. 🌿 M
@@shoogaplum3499 Yes it is. A pastor is a preacher a noun. preaching is a verb. All laypersons regardless of gender can do the act of preaching outside of church and are encourage to by the great commission.That doesn't make that person a pastor who has a flock that he has authority over. A street (preacher) like you see in some UA-cam videos aren't really preachers that term in those cases is being used colloquial not in the true sense of the word. A better word would be evangelist , but you can still use the word if you like English can be funny.
Hmmmm........ You encourage women to live in sin and rebel against God's word? Yes women are to evangelize after all they don't have a flock or authority over anyone and they are preaching salvation, and they aren't limited to be stuck in one place and can go to many places that a local church can't. Going into a church to preach is a no no. The church is under authority of the local pastor a male. Besides a well established church will be beyond the teaching of a evangelist usually , they will be consuming the meat of the word of God not the milk as much. They will be taught the mechanics behind salvation and other areas that an evangelist can't teach. that is if the pastor is doing his job as he should. Also older women in the church are supposed to get together with younger women and teach them how to love their husbands and how to be more agreeable to them.
What Was the Purpose of Water Baptism? For the Jews and their “gospel of the kingdom,” water baptism was a required expression of believing faith. We see in Luke 7:28-30 those that were baptized with the baptism of John, justified God, and those that chose not to be baptized, rejected the counsel of God. Luke 7:28-30 28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him. John’s baptism was a symbolic baptism. God tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that there is no “remission of sins” without the shedding of blood. At this time, Christ’s blood had not yet been shed. Jesus spoke in Matthew 26:28 about His blood being the blood of the New Testament which is shed for “many” for the “remission of sins.” Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. We see in Acts 2:38 that on Pentecost, Peter preaches repentance and baptism for the “remission of sins.” Christ’s blood had been shed, so “remission of sins” was available for those who by faith obeyed and were baptized. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. We see in Mark 16:16 where Jesus speaks of believing faith accompanied by obedience. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. In I Samuel 15:22 we are told “behold to obey is better than sacrifice.” Christ is the Lamb of God. He willingly sacrificed Himself upon the cross. Those under the “gospel of the kingdom” who believed in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, possessed obedient faith and were baptized.
This is the purpose of water baptism. When you repent of your sin and accept Lord Jesus as your Saviour, you die to self and God does not leave a dead body lying around, He buries it in water. That is why, Paul calls it a watery grave. You rise up in the newness of Christ plus when you receive Lord Jesus as your Saviour you receive a brand new recreated spirit. That is where the Holy Spirit lives. So your old man is dead and buried. You are a brand new creation
@@c_g_27 my response was for a gentleman who offered 10,000 for anyone who could show that the Bible teaches that there are pastors,I never got any money
😂😂😂 66 books and not one by a woman and that is your best explanation for why women can't be pastors! That's a great way to establish truth. What about Jesus choosing a woman to share the central doctrine of Christian faith, His Resurrection with the fearful disciples. Does that count?? It's wrong teaching by people like you that have kept the Kingdom from progressing coz half the army is supposedly waiting on the sidelines and not doing what they're called to do while men figure out if women should or should not preach or be pastors!
Deborah prophesied to a man, and her words became scripture. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” -excerpt Judges 4
@@8784-l3bGod can use a woman for certain task at a particular time, but it is normative that God uses women in leadership role over His church. Why do you think there wasn't any female priests in the history of Israel? Core spiritual responsibility over the spiritual house wasn't just any person's role. Think about that. By the way, why query what is just an obvious statement?
@@i-jamesazubuike9208 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false. This matter is NOT a 'Covenant matter' but a matter of spiritual equality.
Churches that elevate women into pastoral ministry have left Christ’s “covering”. They will have to give an answer at the Bema seat judgement or hear Jesus say depart from me, I never knew you.
Jesus warned that Paul was a false apostle. Paul did not meet the apostolic requirements laid out in Actsc1:21-22. 12 not 13. "Do not believe Paul." Matt 24:23-27.
There's no such thing as an apostle. It's a word translators made up by transliterating instead of translating. Translating it would yield missionary. Acts is also of dubious authenticity, and in any case twelve were nominated for one specific task: making sure that all the tribes of Israel were reached. One missionary per tribe.
My stance..please read till the end: Generally, anyone can teach anyone Col 3:16..but when it comes to mentoring, let a woman mentor another woman. and let man mentor another man..Titus 2:1-6......as a couple such as Aquila and Priscilla, can mentor a single person(Apollos) or mentor other couples. Roman 16 says that the gentile churches are grateful to Priscilla and Aquila..When it comes to being a pastor/deacon/overseer of a church, it is the responsibility of a married man(according to 1 Timothy 3) and not a woman. I also think that even Paul can't be a pastor of a church because he is either unmarried or widower..but he was preaching outside the church where he stayed (Acts 28:30-31)...I believe a woman can also preach or teach outside the church just like Paul did..examples four unmarried daughters who were prophetess in book of acts, Anna in Luke, Deborah in judges 4...a note: though Deborah name is not mentioned in the NT, Barak name is mentioned in the Hebrews 11..Barak is identified only with Deborah in chapters 4 and 5 of Judges...If one has to explain about Barak in Hebrews 11, they can not ignore Deborah..moreover even Rahab's name is mentioned about in Hebrews and James....in 1 Peter 3, women are said to take the examples of the past "women"(plural). Sarah is one such woman...what about Deborah,Huldah, Anna?....moreover Roman 16 says that Phoebe is a servant of a church...another translation says Phoebe is a deaconess.......I have couple of questions. Does prohibitions in 1 Cor 11, 1 Cor 14, 1 Timothy 2 addresses only married couples or women and men in general???because as for as my perception, the context implies married couples only(with respect to Adam and Eve)my 2nd question is why pastor John takes Q/A session including women when Bible clearly says let them ask their husbands at home?
The Bible is also very clear and categorical about Keeping the Sabbath Holy, but we'll go out of our way to interpret the scriptures whichever way we like in order to suit our preferences. Anyway the Catholics have been against women preaching for centuries--protestants are only now beginning to see why, right?😁
For your information, the catholics will soon start ordaining women preachers. There is synod on Synodality meeting going on. And the final report will surprise you 😂
Jesus is our Sabbath; who's holier than He. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. John 5:39
Correct. We need to go into the Greek language in order to find out how Paul used the terms: elder, pastor, bishop, shepherd, and overseer. One thing to point out is that while some denominations and churches distinguish between the terms elder, pastor, bishop, shepherd, and overseer, the Bible uses those terms interchangeably to refer to one office-the office of pastor. So, when we talk about an elder, pastor or shepherd, we are talking about the same office. - In the NT there are 18 Occurrences for the Greek word ποιμήν (poimén) = Pastor/Shepherd - In the NT there are 66 Occurrences for the Greek word πρεσβύτερος (presbuteros) = Elder - In the NT there are 4 Occurrences for the Greek word ἐπισκοπή (episkopé) = Overseership - In the NT there are 5 Occurrences for the Greek word ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos) = Overseer/Bishop One clear example of how these terms are used interchangeably is in Acts 20:17, where Paul “called the elders of the church to come to him” (Acts 20:17). At the end of Paul’s farewell discourse, he said, “Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood” (Acts 20:28). In this one passage, Paul used the terms elder and overseers interchangeably because they mean and refer to the same thing-a pastor. Numerous other examples prove this point (Titus 1:5,7; 1 Peter 5:1-2). This is essential groundwork for the discussion because as we turn to Paul’s first letter to Timothy and look at the qualifications for an overseer (1st Timothy 3:1-7), we know we’re looking at the office of pastor, bishop, and shepherd.
@@visionnayak4308 When you are referring to normal evangelism, then yes. Obviously everyone. The office of Pastor however is reserved for men. As God commands through Paul.
@@Samuelh777 I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b You again. 😅🙈 👇 A woman must quietly receive instruction with all submissiveness. I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. For Adam was formed first [by God from the earth], then Eve; and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin. 1 Timothy 2:11-14
@@hail2703 who said she was a pastor? She was a woman and helped God's children. These people down women and seem to think they know God's mind and will. Well, what about this scripture...... the women that preach the gospel are a great host.????? You explain why you think men are that great when they drink heavily, commit adultery, fornication, homos, watch porn every night.....,on and on and on. Stop being pharisees. Besides, after the cross there is neither male nor female. Hmmmm. Amazing, absolute silence from all these people who cannot explain the above scripture.
For example Paul is not saying that women cannot speak in the church he is resolving an issue between Jewish members of the church and non-Jewish members who are arguing over whether or not a woman should be allowed to speak in the church Because Jewish tradition states that a woman shouldn’t speak in church and that they should ask their husbands at home that’s actually part of the Jewish tradition is Pastor doesn’t seem to know that
1 Timothy 2 was written in Greek, which has different rules of grammar than English has. So we miss a key element in that passage: Paul switches from talking about "women" (plural) to talking about ONE woman (singular.) In English, this doesn't matter. We can do that and still be talking about women in general. But you can't do that in Greek. Which means: Paul was talking to Timothy about ONE woman in particular, that needed to sit down and be quiet. Why? Because she was a false teacher. Ephesus was completely dedicated to the worship of Artemis (aka Diana.) In fact, it was law that every religion was allowed in Ephesus, but only if they also incorporated the worship of Artemis. What were the core principles of Artemis worship? 1. She was the guardian of women in childbirth. But to gain her protection, a pregnant woman had to do specific rituals in her temple. 2. Artemis was an archer. A huntress. BUT. Mythology taught that she turned her male human opponents into bulls, and then shot them... and then pinned their testicles to her chest, as trophies. Google "image of Artemis" and you'll see ancient Greek statues that show her this way. 3. Women were seen as spiritually superior to men. Therefore, women were to be the spiritual leaders. Any male leader was to be manipulated and bossed by women. If he refused to submit, then stronger measures were advocated. Ardent devotees of Artemis would devote their lives to these principles. 4. Every religion that entered Ephesus would be infiltrated by these women, who tried to enforce the law. They would change the mythology taught by those religions, creating strange new cults. Knowing this, the last portion of 1 Timothy 2 becomes very clear. A female false convert was trying to do as she had been taught all her life. She was trying to mix Genesis 1 with Artemis principles. The creation story was flipped upside down, with Eve being created first. (First is best, according to pagan thinking. but not Biblically.) And Adam had to be the one deceived, if Eve was spiritually superior. And this woman was telling pregnant women they were in danger of evil things happening during childbirth if they didn't partake of pagan temple rituals! Now the passage makes sense, doesn't it? 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is also easily understood, if you understand the cultural and historical context. 1. This book was written to answer a long-lost letter written from Corinth to Paul. That letter contained questions, which Paul was answering. 2. "as also saith the law" -- what law? The Old Testament never said women were to keep silence. Nor did the Law of Moses ever say a woman was to obey her husband. (Abigail disobeyed her evil husband and called him a fool behind his back -- and was rewarded for it!) Actually, the law 1 Cor 14:34 refers to is just about word-for-word out of the Talmud. In the first century, the ancient parts of the Talmud weren't yet written down. This was the ORAL LAW of the PHARISEES. It was the teachings of the founding rabbis of the pharisees, who had died 200 years prior to the time of Christ. (That why they called them "them of old time" -- and Christ referred to them using that phrase in the Sermon on the Mount.) Did Paul ever tell Gentile Christians to keep the oral law of the Pharisees? ABSOLUTELY NOT! That is exactly the OPPOSITE of Paul's consistent stance. 1 Cor 14:34-35 are questions quoted from that long-lost letter. And Paul gives his answer in verse 36. "What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?" Paul is strongly OPPOSING the idea expressed in the previous 2 verses! And his reasoning is thus: Did the word of God come out of you (men)? No, the Word became flesh and came out of a woman. Mary. Or did the word come unto you (men) only? Absolutely not. There are portions of Scripture inspired through women. And God used women as prophetesses in the Old Testament, as much as the men would allow! Deborah and Huldah would have been stoned in Jesus' day. And Miriam would have, too. Because the Pharisees said a woman's voice was a vile thing and should never be heard in public. Pharisees made their wives walk 10 paces behind them, to keep them from talking to them in public. Pharisees invented the Women's Court of Herod's Temple to keep the supposedly unclean, vile creatures away from the altar of sacrifice. But God never said to do so. Hannah prayed inside the Tabernacle. Miriam led the people in song, just as other women were appointed to sing in Temple worship: see 1 Chronicles 25:5-6, and Ezra 2:65. God used King Lemuel's mother to inspire Proverbs 31. Huldah led the High Priest and the King through prophecy, to recognize the Law. Deborah shepherded Israel as a judge and prophetess. Isaiah's wife was called a prophetess. Elizabeth...Mary... Anna... Phillip's 4 daughters... all the women believers on the day of Pentecost... The Word came through them also. Paul would be horrified to see how those 2 passages of Scripture have been so ABUSED to say things Paul never intended.
@@td5224 Anna didn't lead crowds in public worship like Miriam did. She didn't prophesy to the Temple leaders like Huldah, because they didn't come to her for advice, as the High Priest did to Huldah. Nor did Anna set up under a tree in her front yard to judge the nation of Israel, as Deborah did. Her prophesying was one-on-one, not as a leader. And you missed what I said of how we can know Paul was telling Timothy to silence one female false teacher. It's in Greek grammar. You see it in the English, but it's acceptable in English. Not in Greek. If I would speak of "women" and then wax eloquent concerning "woman" you would know I'm still talking about women in general. But that's not how it works in Greek. In Greek, switching from a plural "women" to the singular "the woman" means you've stopped talking about women in general. You've started talking about ONE woman in particular. You ask "where does the Bible say" it. It says it in the original Greek. Not in our translation. Because it cannot translate precisely into English.
@@td5224 You can't be serious. You really think that if it can't be said in English, that God didn't say it in GREEK, the language HE chose to have the New Testament written in????
@@td5224 My family comes from Swiss-German background. My Mom didn't speak English until she was 6 years old. And she said some things cannot be said in English. Human languages have limitations. You could research the Greek if you wanted to. And God knew that.
So am I right in thinking that women can hold only women Bible studies? Should a woman teach a Bible class to men also, or is it just that they cant preach or be an elder?
John, if you had ears to hear the Holy Spirt, you would be able to hear Holy Spirit speak through Nancy Dufrese. You would change your mind on woman teaching in the church. The Holy Spirit is not Prejudice like man made religions . Who teaches women can not be used by the Holy Spirit.
@hail2703 Mccarthur does Not hold up God's word. He believe the Holy Spirit can Not speek through a woman. According to Mccarthur much of the new testament not for today. And God does not talk to us anymore lol He needs the baptism in the Holy Spirit, to open up his spirual blind eyes.
@@shyloh1980 Bearing false witness is very serious, but i am humble enough to know I am open to seeing if you have any evidence of this, otherwise, be careful
@hail2703 you Obviously do not know the word of God yourself. IN his messages HE tells what he believes and dont believe. His Audience ask him questions he gives them answers . So you need Q-tips in order to Hear.
Brother John MacArthur, Jesus is my Husband. Jesus is the Groom and the church (male and female) is His bride. If I want to know the answer I ask Jesus. It's been a long time since I attended a service, but the Lord dwells well within me...Hallelujah, Praise The Lord! We should edify and love one another as Jesus said. However, listen to this: Matthew 23:8-10 New King James Version 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. Galatians 3:28 New King James Version 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. John 1:14 New King James Version 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jesus is God in the flesh. Praise God, Bless God, Love God, all the glory is due HIM for He is worthy. Women don't think you are exempt from speaking what is righteous wherever you may find yourself, but do it in a lovingly way. Satan is a liar, a deceiver, an eviler that wants to draw a wedge between the children of God. James 4:7 New King James Version 7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Thank you for time and God Bless Everyone in Jesus name I pray.
If you’re a Christian you should be a member of a local church. “And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” Hebrews 10:24-25 ESV And if you are a Christian you should love Christ’s church. For Christ is the head and the church is his body. “And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.” Colossians 1:18 ESV Lone star Christians are unfathomable in the light of Scripture. You need to get in healthy/mature Christian community ASAP.
@@elkellenhabla Matthew 18:20-22 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. The church is not a building, it's His people. Jesus is God. Jesus is Son, Father, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is Lord. God is Lord. And oh yeah, the Spirit is Lord. 2 Corinthians 3:17 New King James Version 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. AND, THE SPIRIT DWELLS WELL IN ME, and I am free. Philippians 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. I have a tongue...JESUS CHRIST IS LORD and HE'S AWESOME. Cheers
@@Diana-xm1dm God has appointed leaders in his church (elders). You should be a part of a local church. Who does Jesus speak to in Revelation? Churches. You should find one. No lone star Christians.
@@elkellenhabla Colossians 2:16 Expanded Bible Don’t Follow People’s Rules 16 So do not let anyone ·make rules for [or criticize; judge; or condemn] you about eating and drinking or about a religious ·feast [festival], a New Moon Festival [2 Kin. 4:23; Neh. 10:33], or a Sabbath day [C religious observances that false teachers pressured the Colossians to keep]. I told you am free, you can hold on to your traditions...God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is talking to me.
I go to an Adventist church and for the second time there was a woman preacher, I'm confused by this because there was a stance on women cannot be ordained as elders nor preachers
The Adventist Church was founded by a false prophet. Yes, they do follow God's word on the matter of the Sabbath, yet they ignore other teachings that are extremely clear in the Scripture.
Paul is not the one making a statement that women should be quiet and Church and ask her husbands when they get home Paul is restating restating restating the issue within the church that’s what the Jewish members believe because that was their tradition in the synagogue
That’s correct, it’s a rebellion, because there’s no Biblical text stating that. But do you qualify as rebellion Sunday observance, because there is no Biblical text supporting that tradition ?
GOD never endorsed Deborah. All the other judges, God gave scripture as His endorsement, not Deborah. God allows some things, but doesn't always endorse it. He allowed Isreal to be slaves as punishment, but it was not His desire fir this.
@@kena3537 you wrote: GOD never endorsed Deborah. Of course He did. Then the Lord raised up judges who saved them from the hands of those who plundered them. -excerpt Judges 2 So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. -excerpt Judges 4 Describing the results of the battle that Deborah ordered.
@@kena3537 Deborah even prophesied, by the Holy Spirit, how the enemy commander would die. Her words of prophecy actually became scripture. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
If I may, I share here two articles about the female pastorate. An interpretation of I Timothy 2:11-15: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2013/04/consagracao-feminina-ao-pastorado-i.html And a discussion about the "order of Creation" referred to in I Timothy 2:13: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2024/05/porque-primeiro-foi-formado-adao-depois.html (Both articles are in portuguese, but you may activate the automatic translation at the right top menu.)
So the apostle Paul in stating the issue making a statement that Jewish people believe this then Paul makes a clear statement what? Did the word of God come only to you So now Paul is saying that God forget to tell me that see how he’s disagreeing with what you think is his statement
This Pastor does not understand the apostle Paul’s writing style in all of Paul’s letters he uses ? Marks pay attention to those. He always restates the issue at the beginning of his letters and then gives his answer at the end and most often people think he’s actually giving instruction when he’s not he’s restating a problem that exists in that church
I want to start by saying I believe the Bible is the most trusses from of the teachings of God and of God thru Jesus my savior...with this being said Mr McArthur uses this teaching of women not able to speak and ask only of her husband is down right wrong. His teaching here comes from 1st corninthians 14. 33-37...but he doesn't use 14.36 in his teachings. I'm using kjv for reference. As this is the only Bible to use for us English speaking people thats the closest to our known true interpretation of the word of god
Thanks for giving me some great quotes for my essay about hypocrisy in the church! For a religion all about acceptance and love, y'all sure are hateful
If we deeply study and analyze the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians (Gal. 3:28-29), which narrates, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither Slave nor Free, there is neither Male nor Female for all in ONE with Christ Jesus." Q1?... In what ASPECT did the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians relate regarding "NO DISTINCTION"?... Answer... from the ASPECT of SALVATION only... Q2?... Do the "Duties and Responsibilities" given to Man and Woman by God, have NO longer DISTINCTION in Christ?... Answer...NOPE... there are still distinctions between a Man and a Woman... Christ said, "Whomsoever DOES the WILL of my Father, is my mother, brother, and sister ... and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."... Q3?... What is one of the WILL of God (God's Prerogative)?... Answer... Women of Faith must/should learn to KEEP Silent/Quiet in total Humility and submission to the Church of God in Christ... just like Blessed Mary, who is Blessed among Women, found highly Favored by God and full of Grace from the Holy Spirit, even she is qualified to TEACH and PREACH, kept her silent/quiet in total humility and submission to the Church of God in Christ Jesus till her death...all "Women of Faith" should walk-on her set of example. Q4?... If Galatians 3:28-29 covers all ASPECT of Equality (no distinction)... therefore, does this mean the HEAD of the Woman is no longer the MAN based on 1 Cor. 11:3?... Answer... Nope... Man is still the HEAD of the Woman SPIRITUALLY both in the Church and in Marriage.. while the HEAD of every MAN is Christ Jesus... Q5?... Can "Women of Faith" do anything in the Church of God in Christ?... Answer... Yes, God created the Woman (Eve) as the BEST SUITABLE HELPER (not slave or servant) for man, she can help assist man with the distribution, collection, donation, and contribution to the Church, and she can also do the Church's Gospel Choir with musical instruments, etc... but leave the Church MANAGEMENT, TEACHING, PREACHING, REFUTING, DEBATING, CORRECTING, BAPTIZING, and making DISCIPLESHIP to the "MEN (Elder) of Faith" for the Church of God in Christ... Christ gave the KEYS to the Gates of Heaven to a Man named Apostle Peter and not to any qualified women... Q6?... What if there is NO "Man of Faith" fit to be a Pastor/Preacher?... Answer... Have faith in God... God can make a way, when there seems to be no way... Prophet John the Baptist said to the stubborn Jews that God could make Descendants of Abraham out of the ROCK... the Rock is Christ, and that is why, Christians are grafted by God to the Real VINE (Christ Jesus) as the adopted Sons of Abraham... Perhaps, if there will be no more "Men of Faith," God will use a BOY (male child) to Teach and Preach the Gospel... impossible to Man but very possible with God. In conclusion, the only TIME that there will be absolutely NO DISTINCTION in all ASPECT is after the JUDGMENT DAY of God... Those who will be SAVED will live the Life of IMMORTALITY, with no more distinction between Man and Woman, Ethnicity, Nationality, etc., they will not get married to have a family of their own, and no more procreation... We will be as ONE BODY in Christ Jesus living in the New Heaven and New Earth with New Jerusalem, forever... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen and Amen..
@@crystalvulpine2314 There are no distinctions between Men/Males and Women/Females when it comes to Eternal SALVATION ... But God set distinctions between Man and Woman when it comes to doing God's WILL (Prerogatives)... Biblically speaking... Amen...
@@jvlp2046 Jesus said we will be like the angels, neither marrying nor giving in marriage. That should put to rest any notion of some divine design for gender or the family. Those are worldly things no matter how much you idolize them.
@@crystalvulpine2314 Take note: ...We will be "LIKE" Angels, but that does not mean that we become Angels or equal with Angels... The English word "LIKE" means SIMILARITIES only... Angels are Spiritual Beings with Special/Mighty Powers coming from God greater than Human beings... while Human beings have a Body and Soul/Spirit with no special/mighty power... when Judgment day comes, all human beings dead or alive will be given back or be transformed their mortal bodies into immortal (resurrected) bodies to face the judgment and condemnation of God... If we are saved during the judgment day, we will receive some SIMILARITIES or LIKENESS with the Angels such as, no longer facing death (death has been conquered), Time no longer affecting us to grow old, never getting sick, not getting hungry, nor thirsty, no more pain, and no more desire for a sexual relationship or married life and no more procreation... but we still have big differences from the Angels... Resurrected Humans have Immortal Bodies/Souls without powers... while Angels still remain as Spirit Beings with Power and Might coming from God... Glorified Human beings can not change their Immortal Bodies given to them by God... whatever body God gave us, would be permanent, we can not choose or replace them... While the Angels have the power to change their appearances since they are Spiritual Beings with Power and Might that come from God... if you are born a black race, your resurrected body will also be black, the same with the white, brown race, etc... The only difference is if you are born black with disabilities or defects, your resurrected body will be perfect (immortal) but you will still remain black... In Heaven, there will be all Nations with all Kinds of Races and Ethnicities (Black, White, Brown, Yellow, and Red) worshiping and praising God eternally... Satan and his Fallen Angels will be stripped off/removed by God with their Power and Might and be thrown into the Eternal Damnation of Hell (Eternal Punishment/ Torment) together with the Condemned Evil Human beings on Judgment Day... Facts and Truth, Biblically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen...
@@jvlp2046 This is ridiculous. The fact that there is no marriage and procreation renders gender differences pointless. Also possessing a body is a punishment, no God will not force you into a new one and strip all your powers. The Bible says we are all sons of God, call me a heretic but it does, and I will not pretend otherwise just to appease some religious fragilities. Those who can't accept that are too attached to the ways of this age. The fact is, you don't have to worry about being cast into Hell; we're already there. Recall the way nature works (pure evil), and who rules over this realm, and where the fallen angels were cast down to. If you don't want to be trapped here forever I suggest taking the gift and renouncing this world. Reincarnation *is* real and it is *not* a good thing, it's what happens to the unsaved who face judgement and have to be punished for their deeds. And beware of light tunnels supposedly leading you to heaven, they are *fake* and your supposed loved ones and "Jesus" and "God" inside are really demons disguised as them, as you acknowledged they can do.
@@peeba7921 I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b If you can show me any scriptures in the bible I'm ok with that but as far I know there's none and there's no part in the bible that says men and woman are equal even Paul said remember the order its God,Christ,men and woman that's what the bible says
@@peeba7921 Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised May 2023) Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand Paul (if possible). This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do. They knew the story of Deborah already. Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent, in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal. Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no scripture stating clearly or even hinting at, that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to take that place. ************************************************************* INTRODUCTION: Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings, there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons was the time of the Judges. ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Finally: All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah. She was married, but her husband was not a Judge. HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 ******************************** THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here: Now she sent word and summoned Barak... She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened, as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” And: But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple. So what were the results of this battle? And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left. Also: So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan. -excerpts Judges 4 In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there. Final sentence of Judges 5: And the land was at rest for forty years. Obviously a great outcome. EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender. FINAL THOUGHTS here: A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is. To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by God's will.
Hey John, i believe there was a animal was used to bring the word, and several women were mentioned as prophetess, and it never says but Jesus I'm sure listened to his mother. So can we expect you to start saying race and color to be judged, have you ever preached a sermon that never lined up completely until you studied and allow God to correct you ,look at yourself before you judge others
This man does not understand Paul’s teachings, nor the format that Paul uses to teach Paul states the issue in the churches before he Gives his summary in each book Paul is restating an issue of Jewish believers in that church. They’re trying to keep women from talking so Paul states the Jewish law which says that women are silent in church at the synagogue. They sit separately from the men and if they have any issues they need to ask their husband at home that is current Jewish law. Paul is teaching against that restating the law and then summarizing it like he does, at the end of every chapter with “the words printed in the Bible for bid no one to speak you people need to wake up
What is that talk to a slave....who's children are not his wife is not his he himself is not his ... the Messiah changed the rules. Many things change in time the lord didn't come to rewrite the word just remixed it. You heard Moses say thou shall not kill.. I'm telling you if you hate say one you already murdered him .Moses said don't commit adultery..I'm telling you if you lust for her or him you already committed adultery. Same thing with the gospel women your sins are forgiven. In Iran they started a church run by women putting their lives on the line daily for the gospel I'm talking about death every day.. So who are we to say who should and should not preach. Keep preaching women Keep preaching cry aloud spare not.
Thank you Pastor MacArthur! As a woman I had struggled with this but I understand it now through the help of the Holy Spirit and it’s God’s Word!❤ Amen!
66 books, no female authors, no female apostles, no scriptural reference for the qualifications of female "elders". Amazing! Bless you guys and Pastor John.
Deborah was a Judge over Israel. A Judge was a pastor,
according to scripture.
@@8784-l3b They also did what was right in their owns eyes in that time....Not what God called them to do....The book you referenced was Judges......Chapter 17:6 says In those days there was no King in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes. Judges was a history book no a prophetic book...and it's clear that they did whatever they wanted rather than what God wanted...Like appoint a woman to be a Judge.
@@mizzoustud73172309
What is below was taken from my short
and free essay on Deborah:
THE REASON GOD SENT HER here:
...the Lord was moved to pity...
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people.
It wasn't a judgment against them.
Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used
in error to describe her, in our time:
My people! Their oppressors treat them violently,
And women rule over them.
My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.
-excerpt Isaiah 3
They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to
Jezebel who murdered prophets.
Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord...
-excerpt 1 Kings 18
When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
I could have posted more, but the essay can
be posted, should you wish a study.
One of God’s judgments at that time was to appoint women over the men because the men had become "worthless."
Going back to the fall and Adam and Eve, the man would look to exert unloving authority over the woman, but the woman would desire to rule the man.
The Husband is the head of the wife as Christ is head of the church.
It's not about value, it's about God's order. The wife can't be the husband and in the church the woman can not lead the man.
A man's duty before God is to lead, protect, and teach. Whether over his own family or over a church.
@@bradyoung4921
Deborah's story was taught for about 1000 years
before the New Covenant. She was one of the better
Judges. Everyone knew she was a pastor, according
to the scriptures (which I can post). Everyone knew
there was no gender qualification to be a Judge over Israel.
Also, Deborah was married.
Before anyone mentioned women pastors, I attended a church around 2012 that had hired a woman to preach, it did not rest well with my spirit. I left that church and refuse to attend any church that supports women as preachers. I am thankful for ministers such as John MacArthur.
The Bible is very clear on this issue, yet there are those who simply don’t want to here it and would prefer their own “truth”.
The Bible is and was clear. However males translated the Bible and diminished the original writing and purposes of women in the Book. Fortunately the younger theologians are not afraid of the true context of the words. I used to believe the lesser role assigned by translators (and pastors that should have known better since they went through seminary) was the truth. God created THEM in His image. The description is not “helper” as in assistant. The word ezer means match or partner, kenegdo means power,strength, lift him up. A woman isn’t less in Gods eyes. She completes a man.
@@deborahgrantham7387 I’m sorry that you’ve bought into the woke agenda that has infiltrated many churches, but you are incorrect. Are women as valuable as men? Yes! Of course. Is God’s design that men and women should serve different roles? Absolutely. The Bible is clear on this issue. Women should not be pastors nor leaders in the church. To say otherwise is to put your wants above God’s word. In as much as the King James Bible, it was translated perfectly. The other modern translation “bibles” have been compromised. In that much you are correct.
@@deborahgrantham7387 Even if Paul meant it as these "scholars" claim; it's God's prerogative to change His mind.
Genesis 6:6-7
New King James Version
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
@@deborahgrantham7387 Also Paul did not write 1 Timothy, and "apostle" is a title translators invented by transliterating rather than translating (it would be translated missionary).
@@deborahgrantham7387here we go with more women committing sorcery, contempt, and blasphemy by preaching false gospel. My question is why are modern women so determined to throw away their salvation just to temporarily have their way? Because it makes no sense to read the scripture and then twist and lie about it…you’re condemning yourself and anyone who listens to you. You’re either an all in Christian or you’re not a Christian at all. It’s that simple. And we’re not equal in roles or authority, only equal in value.
This is one of the reasons given for Paul's position on women not teach, nor to usurp authority over the man 1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. So it is obvious that this same reason would apply to all churches. There is a reason the serpent approached Eve to make his argument and not Adam. We were created with different strengths and weaknesses for different roles.
Ja 1957- God told Adam not to eat from that Tree , man ( Adam) told eve. God told Adam to take authority over every creating thing. ADAM Disobed. Adam did not protect his wife. He blamed God for giving him that woman.
What do you have to say now ????
@@shyloh1980 You can spin it any way you want but Paul is clear: Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@ja1957 Paul never said GOD TOLD HIM, WOMAN HAS NO RIGHTS TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH. that was paul rule.
@@shyloh1980 So you think that he was wrong when he said: "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression". That was his basis for the comment concerning why women were not to hold positions of authority over men in the church. So we are to believe that you have a better understanding of the things of God than Paul. You are neglecting to accept his explanation of why this is a universal rule for the whole church. That is :Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. He is saying that Satan went after Eve for a reason rather than trying to convince Adam. Eve was easily deceived. When Adam saw what his wife had done, he too took the fruit, but not because he had been deceived. I believe he did not want to be left alone in the garden and have Eve expelled, he loved his wife. This is the first example of a man following the leadership of a women in spiritual matters. It did not end well. We call it the fall of man for a reason. No the problem with allowing women to hold positions reserved for men is made clear when you look at the fall in the garden. Men and women are different with different strengths and weaknesses. Satan identified one of those weaknesses in Eve and exploited it to further his war against God. The earlier churches and believers had little difficulty in understanding the universal application of Paul's writings. This has only recently become a controversy among some churches. It is a very dangerous road to follow when we say God's word does not mean what it clearly says. May God open your eyes to the presence of wolves among the sheep.
@ja1957 you 100% missed what I said !!! Unbelievable !!!
Here's part of this problem. I was at a recent Freedom Night hosted by Charlie Kirk, and his guest was George Barna, an expert on "worldview". He made a statement that almost floored me so I want to share it. "Only 1 out of 8 children of PASTORS has a biblical worldview". Chew on that one awhile. His most recent book is called "Raising Spiritual Champions". I also left a church last year where I was also on the worship team, as they "ordained a female pastor", as #2 pastor in the church, and did preach from the pulpit twice while I was there. I walked out both times. I never thought in my lifetime that I'd see that happen in a BIBLE CHURCH!
No reason to believe Charlie Kirk is a Christian.
2:20. It’s a rebellion. Yes! That is exactly what it is.
Paging Rick Warren. Hello?
Rick's at the SBC this week trying to push his agenda there
Amen!!! Praise the Lord for the Truth!! Thank you Pastor John for your faithfulness and always speaking His Truth!!! Amen and Amen!!!!❤
Actually, John is either mistaken or trying to swallow the inheritance of the Lord.
The inheritance of the tribe of Levi is the Lord.
Deuteronomy 18:1-8
New King James Version The Portion of the Priests and Levites
18 “The priests, the Levites-all the tribe of Levi-shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel; they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and His portion. 2 Therefore they shall have no inheritance among their brethren; the Lord is their inheritance, as He said to them.
Pastor John with women preaching in the Church I thank you for solid teaching.
Great hit to the point!
The Australian Lutheran Church is facing a seemingly unwinnable battle on this topic. I'm new to the church but my heart bleeds, and I don't know if I could sincerely attend a church that endorses a blasphemy. Am I wrong? Help me out here...
Unfortunately, no. Most churches have been infiltrated, and they are false churches. It is what it is, and Jesus even tells us it would be this way.
Leave. Same here, my church allows a women pastor and I just leave today.
Find a new church. One that does not disrespect Jesus bride and follows God's word
You're not wrong. The Bible is clear on this
I am a woman and I know that I should not, and do not preach in the corporate fellowship known as Church. But, there are many women whom cannot and do not want to hear truth from Gods word, which is why The Lord cannot be, and is not in those fellowships.
If people don't care what God says, nothing matters. Despite everything else The Word says, God says "the office of a Bishop MUST be the husband of one wife" That excludes females, Catholics, Mormons and others. We all know it means "head of a church".
It also excludes Jesus, as well as Paul.
true
I agree with him
There is only one female Judge in the bibal called Deborah and there are many historical powerful female heads of states Like Elizabeth I and the second Queen Elizabeth, but they are only the exceptions.
Gut zu wissen! Gottes Segen
WHAT ABOUT THE TRUTH WHERE ARE THE MEN PREACHING THE WORD.. WHERE ARE THEY?
Spot on! This is exactly what the Bible teaches, and bless Pastor MacArthur for his courage to speak the truth in such a loving manner. There are all sorts of areas for service in the Kingdom of Heaven and in the church. It is capricious and frankly, ridiculous that in the 21st century where women are allowed to be employed in any number of fields, that some would insist on becoming pastors or elders. The Bible is very clear about this not being allowed, so there is no room for rebellion nor disobedience, the two very things that happened in the Garden of Eden. To take a simple example, why not serve the Lord working in IT? Nothing and no one prevents a woman from working in tech. Women can study like men and become certified in any number of highly valuable skills in this day and age. Why not build and maintain a website for the local church? Why not help set up live online events for the world to hear the pastor preach? Why not work with software and manage ITSM (IT Services Management), ensuring the right people have software licenses, setting up the user roles, permissions, access levels, maintaining their databases? Developing mobile apps to help promote the Gospel, encourage Bible studies, and use APIs to enhance any existing apps the church may need? Why not help missionaries reach forbidden places digitally? Help catalog years' worth of sermons and make them available to the world? Scan and help reformat legacy content so as to make it available for centuries to come? What about web design and graphic arts to produce astonishing presentations and to help design newsletters, church bulletins, pamphlets, and outreach materials for evangelism, and press releases? What about setting up notification apps for mass updates, including proper encryption, preparing in case there's serious persecution? It's never too late to brush up on basic cybersecurity and to help protect the church's digital assets. These are just a few examples of the many ways in which women can serve in the digital age helping to support the work of the male pastor(s) and church leadership without in any way overstepping God's law as set out in the Bible. It's time to remember our calling as Christian women to be set apart and not be influenced by the feminist agenda nor the culture. May the Lord help us walk in His ways.
Amen sister. You get it.
@julianalacroix4623 1 Timothy chapter 2 and 3. Read it. You can’t avoid what the Bible says about this issue.
@KarinaStavenes Just Watch John MacArthur Shock Claim: Take the mark of the beast and go to heaven!
And, no, you can't get the mark of the beast and still go to heaven.
First comment at 32 seconds after posting. Nice. Love the ministry guys. One of my dreams as a multimedia specialist myself is to visit the studio one day.
I just left my church today because of this issue.
Jesus approved of a woman to be a Judge over Israel in the Old Covenant,
with the authority to judge homicide cases. To believe that Jesus would
strongly disapprove of a woman being an elder in the New Covenant,
makes no sense whatsoever. This is all Paul.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
This is one case. One case out of three thousand years of Biblical history.
@@javelinblue5414
God gave a woman the authority to judge homicide cases, and
therefore execute men. Paul wrote he was a 'father'.
I've got to go with God on this one.
Christians are definitely NOT called to "roast" others 😐
Although I certainly am not a calvinist, but MacArthur is 100% correct on male leadership. How can the head of man be a woman? If you find this hard to swallow then maybe you will swallow Christ being the head of God!!!!!
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
According to Deuteronomy, a Judge could judge homicide cases.
According to Deuteronomy, the verdict of a Judge could not be altered.
Let's go now to the church.
Leave alone the norms of the Jews.😂
I know where you got that idea. That comes from an interpolation into 1 Corinthians, which says women should cover their heads because the angels and nephilim are attracted to them. The head thing is merely an attempt to explain why that is.
Then there's a second interpolation claiming that hair is the covering, giving a stoic explanation which contradicts the Bible (men who took a Nazarite vow were not allowed to cut their hair, and Paul took this oath according to Acts).
John also said if you don't vote for Trump your not a Christian.
I will say there is a biblical difference between Elder and Preacher in the original language/translation. While I am one who agrees, at the very least that the Elders of the church are to be men, I can see a valid argument stating women can still preach (teach). Not saying it’s 100% right or wrong, but can see that side of the argument to a degree.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described.
God ruled Israel through the Judges. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@td5224 The word "Judge" in the Book of Judges does
not translate to modern English. It wasn't a civil position.
As it says what happened when a Judge died:
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
A Judge could judge homicide cases. If a man committed
the sin of premeditated murder, the Judge was required to
give the verdict for execution. This is the ultimate in spiritual
authority.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Essay is a 15 minute read and explains all this even more.
@@8784-l3byou argue with the Author of scripture? Makes sense? Even nature teach man leadership over the woman, and that's a woman's pride-being under her man!
@@i-jamesazubuike9208How does nature teach that a man is to have leadership over any woman?
God still used women in powerful ways and women were also influential. It was a woman who had the privilege of sharing the good news that Jesus had risen. Why did Jesus see it fit to commission her to tell the Apostles and not just appear to men first?
Some men seem to think that they are exalted above women instead of recognizing that women do lead alongside them in the Lord's work.
A Christian woman is an example to her non-Christian husband in spiritual matters. Surely the role of women is more complex than just a matter of gender.
Jesus discipled women and told them what their role was. and that is to support their husbands. not to lead their husbands, or any man for that matter.
👏very well said !! 👏 AMEN 🙏
@@billygarcia2036 Jesus told them this in what passage?
Not all authors of the bible books are known. Some believe that Hebrews was written by Priscilla mentioned by Paul.
We get it already! Women are not and cannot be pastors! I am tired of this topic. I've been a Christian 35+ years and never once did it occur to me to want a woman pastor or to be upset that there weren't any women pastors. I just never really thought about it much. Scripture is crystal clear, and that was the end of it for me. Nor was it ever an issue in my church(es.) Again, it was just understood, because it was Scripture. End of story. Suddenly everyone's pretending to be confused on this. It's everywhere. I don't even know why.
Unfortunately, a side effect I am seeing is it's starting to create (or maybe just reveal?) a disturbing level of resentment, even hatred of women, among supposed Christian men. I've never seen that before. It's very disturbing. I never realized so many Christian men think of us as too stupid and/or evil to study Scripture. We can't even read it aloud in church. And that the ONLY biblical role for women is to be wives and mothers. ANYTHING else is sin. That's the attitude and what I'm seeing. I guess those of us for whom God did not grant the blessing of marriage and/or children don't even exist. Again, this is new to me. I've never seen this before, in 35+ years of being a Christian and involved in church life.
I mean, it has to be defended because it's a big deal right now because our culture has gone insane, and now "scripturally sound" Christians are coming out of the woodwork to support woman pastors.
A Judge was a pastor. Deborah was a Judge.
This is in scripture.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
If anyone really wants a study, I can paste up
my essay on Deborah. (Or parts of it.)
1 timothy 2:12
If anything I’ve seen the total opposite. It’s created a jezebel spirit where women resist and try to fight against men and twist scripture to fit their own narrative instead of reading the plain text.
Nancy is a very anointed, powerful teacher of God's Word.
This is what the Bible says, final and absolute. God bless this man.
MacArthur is erroneously misinterpreting text as Paul was speaking to the church in Corinth. But even if it were so as MacArthur says that Paul yadda yadda yadda. It is always God's prerogative to change His mind.
Genesis 6:6-7 New King James Version
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
Here he starts out with the all in verse of Tim 2:12 where Paul says, "I do not permit." Believing in the inspiration of scripture, those words of Paul are by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The plain reading of that verse is that this is Paul's personal perspective. By the Holy Spirit, Paul does not say, "God does not permit" or even "you should not permit." This, by a plain reading, is not a universal doctrine, rather it comes across a bit like a bluff.
He also says there are no woman pastors anywhere. enough said.
If we are to take Scripture literally in all situations -- regardless of culture or context -- then we must accept that Scripture also calls a pastor to be the "husband of one wife"...So how many single men have been disqualified from preaching on these grounds?? I would venture to say, NONE. God calls whom HE calls. And when He calls, we--Jew, Gentile, Greek, slave, free, male, female--are to respond, faithfully. 🌿 M
Don’t ya just love the simplicity of the scriptures?
Simple scriptures for simple minds
@@wesleywesley3012 hmm, wrong interpretation
Women must do the Evangelism, preach the Gospel.. Let them PREACH in Church n outside of the church...I can encourage the women to spread the Gospel
God doesn't have partiality... Now a days women are only doing greater ministry then men
That's not biblical
being a pastor is not a preacher
@@shoogaplum3499 Yes it is. A pastor is a preacher a noun. preaching is a verb. All laypersons regardless of gender can do the act of preaching outside of church and are encourage to by the great commission.That doesn't make that person a pastor who has a flock that he has authority over. A street (preacher) like you see in some UA-cam videos aren't really preachers that term in those cases is being used colloquial not in the true sense of the word. A better word would be evangelist , but you can still use the word if you like English can be funny.
Hmmmm........ You encourage women to live in sin and rebel against God's word? Yes women are to evangelize after all they don't have a flock or authority over anyone and they are preaching salvation, and they aren't limited to be stuck in one place and can go to many places that a local church can't. Going into a church to preach is a no no. The church is under authority of the local pastor a male. Besides a well established church will be beyond the teaching of a evangelist usually , they will be consuming the meat of the word of God not the milk as much. They will be taught the mechanics behind salvation and other areas that an evangelist can't teach. that is if the pastor is doing his job as he should. Also older women in the church are supposed to get together with younger women and teach them how to love their husbands and how to be more agreeable to them.
What Was the Purpose of Water Baptism?
For the Jews and their “gospel of the kingdom,” water baptism was a required expression of believing faith.
We see in Luke 7:28-30 those that were baptized with the baptism of John, justified God, and those that chose not to be baptized, rejected the counsel of God.
Luke 7:28-30
28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
John’s baptism was a symbolic baptism. God tells us in Hebrews 9:22 that there is no “remission of sins” without the shedding of blood. At this time, Christ’s blood had not yet been shed.
Jesus spoke in Matthew 26:28 about His blood being the blood of the New Testament which is shed for “many” for the “remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
We see in Acts 2:38 that on Pentecost, Peter preaches repentance and baptism for the “remission of sins.” Christ’s blood had been shed, so “remission of sins” was available for those who by faith obeyed and were baptized.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We see in Mark 16:16 where Jesus speaks of believing faith accompanied by obedience.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
In I Samuel 15:22 we are told “behold to obey is better than sacrifice.” Christ is the Lamb of God. He willingly sacrificed Himself upon the cross. Those under the “gospel of the kingdom” who believed in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, possessed obedient faith and were baptized.
This is the purpose of water baptism. When you repent of your sin and accept Lord Jesus as your Saviour, you die to self
and God does not leave a dead body lying around, He buries it in water. That is why, Paul calls it a watery grave.
You rise up in the newness of Christ plus when you receive Lord Jesus as your Saviour you receive a brand new recreated
spirit. That is where the Holy Spirit lives. So your old man is dead and buried. You are a brand new creation
No false women missionaries with no husbands.
Solid.
Amen!!!
EPH4:11 he gave some to be apostles ,some as prophets,some as evangelists,some as teachers some as pastors .That’s at least worth 5,000 ?
Phillips daughters 🗣️ prophets
@@c_g_27 my response was for a gentleman who offered 10,000 for anyone who could show that the Bible teaches that there are pastors,I never got any money
😂😂😂 66 books and not one by a woman and that is your best explanation for why women can't be pastors! That's a great way to establish truth. What about Jesus choosing a woman to share the central doctrine of Christian faith, His Resurrection with the fearful disciples. Does that count?? It's wrong teaching by people like you that have kept the Kingdom from progressing coz half the army is supposedly waiting on the sidelines and not doing what they're called to do while men figure out if women should or should not preach or be pastors!
Those women were not pastors.
Preacher's are too be the HUSBAND of 1 wife
Churches with female pastors have ceased to be a real church.
Bravo thank you pastor
Can a woman read a scripture verse to a man? Or is thet going too far?
Deborah prophesied to a man, and her words became scripture.
She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
-excerpt Judges 4
@@8784-l3bGod can use a woman for certain task at a particular time, but it is normative that God uses women in leadership role over His church. Why do you think there wasn't any female priests in the history of Israel? Core spiritual responsibility over the spiritual house wasn't just any person's role. Think about that. By the way, why query what is just an obvious statement?
@@i-jamesazubuike9208
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was REQUIRED in scripture to judge only the hardest of cases.
Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
If your beliefs can't explain all this, they must be false.
This matter is NOT a 'Covenant matter' but a matter of spiritual equality.
Churches that elevate women into pastoral ministry have left Christ’s “covering”. They will have to give an answer at the Bema seat judgement or hear Jesus say depart from me, I never knew you.
Jesus warned that Paul was a false apostle. Paul did not meet the apostolic requirements laid out in Actsc1:21-22. 12 not 13.
"Do not believe Paul." Matt 24:23-27.
YOU ARE IN ERROR...THIS SCRIPTURE IN NO WAY DECLARES PAUL A FALSE PROPHET!!! BEWARE YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO SATAN..." THE FATHER OF LIES" 🙏🙏🙏
There's no such thing as an apostle. It's a word translators made up by transliterating instead of translating. Translating it would yield missionary.
Acts is also of dubious authenticity, and in any case twelve were nominated for one specific task: making sure that all the tribes of Israel were reached. One missionary per tribe.
Paul has his own opinion for u to choose from , in other words who do you wish to agree Jesus or Paul ???
You are not the authority on what to believe. God’s Word is.
It's not due to rebellion. It's judgment on the men who keep blaming Eve rather than take accountability. Men have failed. That's the message.
My stance..please read till the end:
Generally, anyone can teach anyone Col 3:16..but when it comes to mentoring, let a woman mentor another woman. and let man mentor another man..Titus 2:1-6......as a couple such as Aquila and Priscilla, can mentor a single person(Apollos) or mentor other couples. Roman 16 says that the gentile churches are grateful to Priscilla and Aquila..When it comes to being a pastor/deacon/overseer of a church, it is the responsibility of a married man(according to 1 Timothy 3) and not a woman. I also think that even Paul can't be a pastor of a church because he is either unmarried or widower..but he was preaching outside the church where he stayed (Acts 28:30-31)...I believe a woman can also preach or teach outside the church just like Paul did..examples four unmarried daughters who were prophetess in book of acts, Anna in Luke, Deborah in judges 4...a note: though Deborah name is not mentioned in the NT, Barak name is mentioned in the Hebrews 11..Barak is identified only with Deborah in chapters 4 and 5 of Judges...If one has to explain about Barak in Hebrews 11, they can not ignore Deborah..moreover even Rahab's name is mentioned about in Hebrews and James....in 1 Peter 3, women are said to take the examples of the past "women"(plural). Sarah is one such woman...what about Deborah,Huldah, Anna?....moreover Roman 16 says that Phoebe is a servant of a church...another translation says Phoebe is a deaconess.......I have couple of questions. Does prohibitions in 1 Cor 11, 1 Cor 14, 1 Timothy 2 addresses only married couples or women and men in general???because as for as my perception, the context implies married couples only(with respect to Adam and Eve)my 2nd question is why pastor John takes Q/A session including women when Bible clearly says let them ask their husbands at home?
The Bible is also very clear and categorical about Keeping the Sabbath Holy, but we'll go out of our way to interpret the scriptures whichever way we like in order to suit our preferences. Anyway the Catholics have been against women preaching for centuries--protestants are only now beginning to see why, right?😁
For your information, the catholics will soon start ordaining women preachers. There is synod on Synodality meeting going on.
And the final report will surprise you 😂
Jesus is our Sabbath; who's holier than He.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
John 5:39
@@kaondaroache5751 Do you see anything wrong with Keeping the Sabbath holy? (would I be sinning if I kept it Holy?)
@@cmkislay2133 I've already answered that.
(For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Matthew 12:8)
@@kaondaroache5751 👍
Correct. We need to go into the Greek language in order to find out how Paul used the terms: elder, pastor, bishop, shepherd, and overseer.
One thing to point out is that while some denominations and churches distinguish between the terms elder, pastor, bishop, shepherd, and overseer, the Bible uses those terms interchangeably to refer to one office-the office of pastor. So, when we talk about an elder, pastor or shepherd, we are talking about the same office.
- In the NT there are 18 Occurrences for the Greek word ποιμήν (poimén) = Pastor/Shepherd
- In the NT there are 66 Occurrences for the Greek word πρεσβύτερος (presbuteros) = Elder
- In the NT there are 4 Occurrences for the Greek word ἐπισκοπή (episkopé) = Overseership
- In the NT there are 5 Occurrences for the Greek word ἐπίσκοπος (episkopos) = Overseer/Bishop
One clear example of how these terms are used interchangeably is in Acts 20:17, where Paul “called the elders of the church to come to him” (Acts 20:17). At the end of Paul’s farewell discourse, he said, “Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood” (Acts 20:28). In this one passage, Paul used the terms elder and overseers interchangeably because they mean and refer to the same thing-a pastor.
Numerous other examples prove this point (Titus 1:5,7; 1 Peter 5:1-2).
This is essential groundwork for the discussion because as we turn to Paul’s first letter to Timothy and look at the qualifications for an overseer (1st Timothy 3:1-7), we know we’re looking at the office of pastor, bishop, and shepherd.
I encourage Everyone /holy Men n women of God can PREACH anywhere...
@@visionnayak4308 When you are referring to normal evangelism, then yes. Obviously everyone.
The office of Pastor however is reserved for men. As God commands through Paul.
@@Samuelh777
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Reply for it if desired.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
That is how a woman could judge
men of their sins, including homicide.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b You again. 😅🙈
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A woman must quietly receive instruction with all submissiveness. I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet [in the congregation]. For Adam was formed first [by God from the earth], then Eve; and it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was led astray and fell into sin.
1 Timothy 2:11-14
The letters to Timothy and Titus are fake, along with all of those offices. The real Paul as far as I know only spoke of general ministry.
After the fall Eve lost her dominion Jesus restored it.
It started in a garden and it ended in a garden and at the Cross
Amen
Wasn't Junice an apostle ?
How many apostles did Jesus Christ appoint?
What about Rahab? You go precious ladies of God. Preach His Word wherever you are
she wasn't a pastor, just a servant of God, come on, it's common sense
@@hail2703 who said she was a pastor? She was a woman and helped God's children. These people down women and
seem to think they know God's mind and will.
Well, what about this scripture...... the women that preach the gospel are a great host.?????
You explain why you think men are that great when they drink heavily, commit adultery, fornication, homos, watch
porn every night.....,on and on and on.
Stop being pharisees.
Besides, after the cross there is neither male nor female. Hmmmm.
Amazing, absolute silence from all these people who cannot explain the above scripture.
Rehab was a prostitute.
For example Paul is not saying that women cannot speak in the church he is resolving an issue between Jewish members of the church and non-Jewish members who are arguing over whether or not a woman should be allowed to speak in the church
Because Jewish tradition states that a woman shouldn’t speak in church and that they should ask their husbands at home that’s actually part of the Jewish tradition is Pastor doesn’t seem to know that
God created Everyone Equal..
1 Timothy 2 was written in Greek, which has different rules of grammar than English has. So we miss a key element in that passage: Paul switches from talking about "women" (plural) to talking about ONE woman (singular.) In English, this doesn't matter. We can do that and still be talking about women in general. But you can't do that in Greek. Which means: Paul was talking to Timothy about ONE woman in particular, that needed to sit down and be quiet. Why? Because she was a false teacher.
Ephesus was completely dedicated to the worship of Artemis (aka Diana.) In fact, it was law that every religion was allowed in Ephesus, but only if they also incorporated the worship of Artemis.
What were the core principles of Artemis worship?
1. She was the guardian of women in childbirth. But to gain her protection, a pregnant woman had to do specific rituals in her temple.
2. Artemis was an archer. A huntress. BUT. Mythology taught that she turned her male human opponents into bulls, and then shot them... and then pinned their testicles to her chest, as trophies. Google "image of Artemis" and you'll see ancient Greek statues that show her this way.
3. Women were seen as spiritually superior to men. Therefore, women were to be the spiritual leaders. Any male leader was to be manipulated and bossed by women. If he refused to submit, then stronger measures were advocated. Ardent devotees of Artemis would devote their lives to these principles.
4. Every religion that entered Ephesus would be infiltrated by these women, who tried to enforce the law. They would change the mythology taught by those religions, creating strange new cults.
Knowing this, the last portion of 1 Timothy 2 becomes very clear.
A female false convert was trying to do as she had been taught all her life.
She was trying to mix Genesis 1 with Artemis principles. The creation story was flipped upside down, with Eve being created first. (First is best, according to pagan thinking. but not Biblically.) And Adam had to be the one deceived, if Eve was spiritually superior. And this woman was telling pregnant women they were in danger of evil things happening during childbirth if they didn't partake of pagan temple rituals!
Now the passage makes sense, doesn't it?
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is also easily understood, if you understand the cultural and historical context.
1. This book was written to answer a long-lost letter written from Corinth to Paul. That letter contained questions, which Paul was answering.
2. "as also saith the law" -- what law? The Old Testament never said women were to keep silence. Nor did the Law of Moses ever say a woman was to obey her husband. (Abigail disobeyed her evil husband and called him a fool behind his back -- and was rewarded for it!)
Actually, the law 1 Cor 14:34 refers to is just about word-for-word out of the Talmud. In the first century, the ancient parts of the Talmud weren't yet written down. This was the ORAL LAW of the PHARISEES. It was the teachings of the founding rabbis of the pharisees, who had died 200 years prior to the time of Christ. (That why they called them "them of old time" -- and Christ referred to them using that phrase in the Sermon on the Mount.)
Did Paul ever tell Gentile Christians to keep the oral law of the Pharisees?
ABSOLUTELY NOT! That is exactly the OPPOSITE of Paul's consistent stance.
1 Cor 14:34-35 are questions quoted from that long-lost letter.
And Paul gives his answer in verse 36.
"What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"
Paul is strongly OPPOSING the idea expressed in the previous 2 verses!
And his reasoning is thus: Did the word of God come out of you (men)?
No, the Word became flesh and came out of a woman. Mary.
Or did the word come unto you (men) only?
Absolutely not. There are portions of Scripture inspired through women.
And God used women as prophetesses in the Old Testament, as much as the men would allow!
Deborah and Huldah would have been stoned in Jesus' day.
And Miriam would have, too.
Because the Pharisees said a woman's voice was a vile thing and should never be heard in public.
Pharisees made their wives walk 10 paces behind them, to keep them from talking to them in public.
Pharisees invented the Women's Court of Herod's Temple to keep the supposedly unclean, vile creatures away from the altar of sacrifice. But God never said to do so.
Hannah prayed inside the Tabernacle.
Miriam led the people in song, just as other women were appointed to sing in Temple worship: see 1 Chronicles 25:5-6, and Ezra 2:65.
God used King Lemuel's mother to inspire Proverbs 31.
Huldah led the High Priest and the King through prophecy, to recognize the Law.
Deborah shepherded Israel as a judge and prophetess.
Isaiah's wife was called a prophetess.
Elizabeth...Mary... Anna... Phillip's 4 daughters... all the women believers on the day of Pentecost... The Word came through them also.
Paul would be horrified to see how those 2 passages of Scripture have been so ABUSED to say things Paul never intended.
@@td5224 Anna didn't lead crowds in public worship like Miriam did.
She didn't prophesy to the Temple leaders like Huldah, because they didn't come to her for advice, as the High Priest did to Huldah.
Nor did Anna set up under a tree in her front yard to judge the nation of Israel, as Deborah did.
Her prophesying was one-on-one, not as a leader.
And you missed what I said of how we can know Paul was telling Timothy to silence one female false teacher.
It's in Greek grammar.
You see it in the English, but it's acceptable in English. Not in Greek.
If I would speak of "women" and then wax eloquent concerning "woman" you would know I'm still talking about women in general.
But that's not how it works in Greek.
In Greek, switching from a plural "women" to the singular "the woman" means you've stopped talking about women in general. You've started talking about ONE woman in particular.
You ask "where does the Bible say" it.
It says it in the original Greek.
Not in our translation.
Because it cannot translate precisely into English.
@@td5224
You can't be serious.
You really think that if it can't be said in English, that God didn't say it in GREEK, the language HE chose to have the New Testament written in????
@@td5224
My family comes from Swiss-German background. My Mom didn't speak English until she was 6 years old. And she said some things cannot be said in English.
Human languages have limitations.
You could research the Greek if you wanted to. And God knew that.
@@td5224
1 Cor 14:38
@@pollyjetix2027keep trying to twist the scripture to fit your narrative. No one is buying it and you will have to answer for it on judgement day.
So am I right in thinking that women can hold only women Bible studies? Should a woman teach a Bible class to men also, or is it just that they cant preach or be an elder?
Woman can teach men, just not in authoritive leadership in the church. Acts 18 for more info. on woman teaching men
You WRONG on women deacons! The original KJV DOES NOT say women deacons. There’s not a woman deacons in the Bible at all.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon...
1 there are no women are not to speak in church h 1 Corinthians ch 33-37. It is a command . And it is disgraceful.
John, if you had ears to hear the Holy Spirt, you would be able to hear Holy Spirit speak through Nancy Dufrese. You would change your mind on woman teaching in the church. The Holy Spirit is not Prejudice like man made religions . Who teaches women can not be used by the Holy Spirit.
it's what the Word of God that matters, and Pastor Macarthur upheld its authority
@hail2703 Mccarthur does Not hold up God's word. He believe the Holy Spirit can Not speek through a woman. According to Mccarthur much of the new testament not for today. And God does not talk to us anymore lol He needs the baptism in the Holy Spirit, to open up his spirual blind eyes.
@@shyloh1980 that's a LIE
@@shyloh1980 Bearing false witness is very serious, but i am humble enough to know I am open to seeing if you have any evidence of this, otherwise, be careful
@hail2703 you Obviously do not know the word of God yourself. IN his messages HE tells what he believes and dont believe. His Audience ask him questions he gives them answers . So you need Q-tips in order to Hear.
Brother John MacArthur,
Jesus is my Husband. Jesus is the Groom and the church (male and female) is His bride. If I want to know the answer I ask Jesus. It's been a long time since I attended a service, but the Lord dwells well within me...Hallelujah, Praise The Lord!
We should edify and love one another as Jesus said. However, listen to this:
Matthew 23:8-10 New King James Version
8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
Galatians 3:28 New King James Version
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
John 1:14 New King James Version
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus is God in the flesh. Praise God, Bless God, Love God, all the glory is due HIM for He is worthy. Women don't think you are exempt from speaking what is righteous wherever you may find yourself, but do it in a lovingly way. Satan is a liar, a deceiver, an eviler that wants to draw a wedge between the children of God.
James 4:7 New King James Version
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Thank you for time and God Bless Everyone in Jesus name I pray.
If you’re a Christian you should be a member of a local church.
“And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.”
Hebrews 10:24-25 ESV
And if you are a Christian you should love Christ’s church. For Christ is the head and the church is his body.
“And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent.”
Colossians 1:18 ESV
Lone star Christians are unfathomable in the light of Scripture. You need to get in healthy/mature Christian community ASAP.
@@elkellenhabla Matthew 18:20-22
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
The church is not a building, it's His people.
Jesus is God. Jesus is Son, Father, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is Lord. God is Lord. And oh yeah, the Spirit is Lord.
2 Corinthians 3:17 New King James Version
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
AND, THE SPIRIT DWELLS WELL IN ME, and I am free.
Philippians 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I have a tongue...JESUS CHRIST IS LORD and HE'S AWESOME.
Cheers
@@elkellenhabla DON'T IDLE; READ YOUR BIBLE.
@@Diana-xm1dm God has appointed leaders in his church (elders). You should be a part of a local church. Who does Jesus speak to in Revelation? Churches. You should find one. No lone star Christians.
@@elkellenhabla Colossians 2:16
Expanded Bible
Don’t Follow People’s Rules
16 So do not let anyone ·make rules for [or criticize; judge; or condemn] you about eating and drinking or about a religious ·feast [festival], a New Moon Festival [2 Kin. 4:23; Neh. 10:33], or a Sabbath day [C religious observances that false teachers pressured the Colossians to keep].
I told you am free, you can hold on to your traditions...God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is talking to me.
I go to an Adventist church and for the second time there was a woman preacher, I'm confused by this because there was a stance on women cannot be ordained as elders nor preachers
The Adventist Church was founded by a false prophet. Yes, they do follow God's word on the matter of the Sabbath, yet they ignore other teachings that are extremely clear in the Scripture.
The Mighty Holy Spirit of God is not a woman. All the Godhead are men
Paul is not the one making a statement that women should be quiet and Church and ask her husbands when they get home Paul is restating restating restating the issue within the church that’s what the Jewish members believe because that was their tradition in the synagogue
SHAME! SHAME!
Truth hurts your feelings?
That’s correct, it’s a rebellion, because there’s no Biblical text stating that. But do you qualify as rebellion Sunday observance, because there is no Biblical text supporting that tradition ?
Egalitarians: WHAT ABOUT DEBORAH!!!!!?!?!?!?!?
Yes. A Judge was a pastor, according to scripture.
GOD never endorsed Deborah. All the other judges, God gave scripture as His endorsement, not Deborah. God allows some things, but doesn't always endorse it. He allowed Isreal to be slaves as punishment, but it was not His desire fir this.
@@kena3537
you wrote:
GOD never endorsed Deborah.
Of course He did.
Then the Lord raised up judges who saved them from the hands of those who plundered them.
-excerpt Judges 2
So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel.
-excerpt Judges 4 Describing the results
of the battle that Deborah ordered.
@@kena3537
Deborah even prophesied, by the Holy Spirit,
how the enemy commander would die. Her
words of prophecy actually became scripture.
She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
@@kena3537you idiot. If God didn’t raise up Deborah why would he help her
If I may, I share here two articles about the female pastorate. An interpretation of I Timothy 2:11-15: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2013/04/consagracao-feminina-ao-pastorado-i.html And a discussion about the "order of Creation" referred to in I Timothy 2:13: vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2024/05/porque-primeiro-foi-formado-adao-depois.html (Both articles are in portuguese, but you may activate the automatic translation at the right top menu.)
So the apostle Paul in stating the issue making a statement that Jewish people believe this then Paul makes a clear statement what? Did the word of God come only to you
So now Paul is saying that God forget to tell me that see how he’s disagreeing with what you think is his statement
This Pastor does not understand the apostle Paul’s writing style in all of Paul’s letters he uses ? Marks
pay attention to those. He always restates the issue at the beginning of his letters and then gives his answer at the end and most often people think he’s actually giving instruction when he’s not he’s restating a problem that exists in that church
There were no question marks in the original
I want to start by saying I believe the Bible is the most trusses from of the teachings of God and of God thru Jesus my savior...with this being said Mr McArthur uses this teaching of women not able to speak and ask only of her husband is down right wrong. His teaching here comes from 1st corninthians 14. 33-37...but he doesn't use 14.36 in his teachings. I'm using kjv for reference. As this is the only Bible to use for us English speaking people thats the closest to our known true interpretation of the word of god
Thanks for giving me some great quotes for my essay about hypocrisy in the church! For a religion all about acceptance and love, y'all sure are hateful
If we deeply study and analyze the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians (Gal. 3:28-29), which narrates, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither Slave nor Free, there is neither Male nor Female for all in ONE with Christ Jesus."
Q1?... In what ASPECT did the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians relate regarding "NO DISTINCTION"?... Answer... from the ASPECT of SALVATION only...
Q2?... Do the "Duties and Responsibilities" given to Man and Woman by God, have NO longer DISTINCTION in Christ?... Answer...NOPE... there are still distinctions between a Man and a Woman... Christ said, "Whomsoever DOES the WILL of my Father, is my mother, brother, and sister ... and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."...
Q3?... What is one of the WILL of God (God's Prerogative)?... Answer... Women of Faith must/should learn to KEEP Silent/Quiet in total Humility and submission to the Church of God in Christ... just like Blessed Mary, who is Blessed among Women, found highly Favored by God and full of Grace from the Holy Spirit, even she is qualified to TEACH and PREACH, kept her silent/quiet in total humility and submission to the Church of God in Christ Jesus till her death...all "Women of Faith" should walk-on her set of example.
Q4?... If Galatians 3:28-29 covers all ASPECT of Equality (no distinction)... therefore, does this mean the HEAD of the Woman is no longer the MAN based on 1 Cor. 11:3?... Answer... Nope... Man is still the HEAD of the Woman SPIRITUALLY both in the Church and in Marriage.. while the HEAD of every MAN is Christ Jesus...
Q5?... Can "Women of Faith" do anything in the Church of God in Christ?... Answer... Yes, God created the Woman (Eve) as the BEST SUITABLE HELPER (not slave or servant) for man, she can help assist man with the distribution, collection, donation, and contribution to the Church, and she can also do the Church's Gospel Choir with musical instruments, etc... but leave the Church MANAGEMENT, TEACHING, PREACHING, REFUTING, DEBATING, CORRECTING, BAPTIZING, and making DISCIPLESHIP to the "MEN (Elder) of Faith" for the Church of God in Christ... Christ gave the KEYS to the Gates of Heaven to a Man named Apostle Peter and not to any qualified women...
Q6?... What if there is NO "Man of Faith" fit to be a Pastor/Preacher?... Answer... Have faith in God... God can make a way, when there seems to be no way... Prophet John the Baptist said to the stubborn Jews that God could make Descendants of Abraham out of the ROCK... the Rock is Christ, and that is why, Christians are grafted by God to the Real VINE (Christ Jesus) as the adopted Sons of Abraham... Perhaps, if there will be no more "Men of Faith," God will use a BOY (male child) to Teach and Preach the Gospel... impossible to Man but very possible with God.
In conclusion, the only TIME that there will be absolutely NO DISTINCTION in all ASPECT is after the JUDGMENT DAY of God... Those who will be SAVED will live the Life of IMMORTALITY, with no more distinction between Man and Woman, Ethnicity, Nationality, etc., they will not get married to have a family of their own, and no more procreation... We will be as ONE BODY in Christ Jesus living in the New Heaven and New Earth with New Jerusalem, forever... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen and Amen..
We shouldn't be upholding such distinctions which are to be absolished.
@@crystalvulpine2314 There are no distinctions between Men/Males and Women/Females when it comes to Eternal SALVATION ... But God set distinctions between Man and Woman when it comes to doing God's WILL (Prerogatives)... Biblically speaking... Amen...
@@jvlp2046 Jesus said we will be like the angels, neither marrying nor giving in marriage. That should put to rest any notion of some divine design for gender or the family. Those are worldly things no matter how much you idolize them.
@@crystalvulpine2314 Take note: ...We will be "LIKE" Angels, but that does not mean that we become Angels or equal with Angels... The English word "LIKE" means SIMILARITIES only... Angels are Spiritual Beings with Special/Mighty Powers coming from God greater than Human beings... while Human beings have a Body and Soul/Spirit with no special/mighty power... when Judgment day comes, all human beings dead or alive will be given back or be transformed their mortal bodies into immortal (resurrected) bodies to face the judgment and condemnation of God...
If we are saved during the judgment day, we will receive some SIMILARITIES or LIKENESS with the Angels such as, no longer facing death (death has been conquered), Time no longer affecting us to grow old, never getting sick, not getting hungry, nor thirsty, no more pain, and no more desire for a sexual relationship or married life and no more procreation... but we still have big differences from the Angels... Resurrected Humans have Immortal Bodies/Souls without powers... while Angels still remain as Spirit Beings with Power and Might coming from God... Glorified Human beings can not change their Immortal Bodies given to them by God... whatever body God gave us, would be permanent, we can not choose or replace them... While the Angels have the power to change their appearances since they are Spiritual Beings with Power and Might that come from God...
if you are born a black race, your resurrected body will also be black, the same with the white, brown race, etc... The only difference is if you are born black with disabilities or defects, your resurrected body will be perfect (immortal) but you will still remain black... In Heaven, there will be all Nations with all Kinds of Races and Ethnicities (Black, White, Brown, Yellow, and Red) worshiping and praising God eternally...
Satan and his Fallen Angels will be stripped off/removed by God with their Power and Might and be thrown into the Eternal Damnation of Hell (Eternal Punishment/ Torment) together with the Condemned Evil Human beings on Judgment Day...
Facts and Truth, Biblically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen...
@@jvlp2046 This is ridiculous. The fact that there is no marriage and procreation renders gender differences pointless. Also possessing a body is a punishment, no God will not force you into a new one and strip all your powers. The Bible says we are all sons of God, call me a heretic but it does, and I will not pretend otherwise just to appease some religious fragilities. Those who can't accept that are too attached to the ways of this age.
The fact is, you don't have to worry about being cast into Hell; we're already there. Recall the way nature works (pure evil), and who rules over this realm, and where the fallen angels were cast down to. If you don't want to be trapped here forever I suggest taking the gift and renouncing this world. Reincarnation *is* real and it is *not* a good thing, it's what happens to the unsaved who face judgement and have to be punished for their deeds. And beware of light tunnels supposedly leading you to heaven, they are *fake* and your supposed loved ones and "Jesus" and "God" inside are really demons disguised as them, as you acknowledged they can do.
I pastor two congregations. Sorry, John. Judges 4:8-9. Maybe someday we'll sit down and talk.
He might be right here but true Christians have long known that MacArthur needs to repent & get right with God.
The Bible allows for a female preachers and I am ONE.
I'm sorry you are wrong
@@peeba7921
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Reply for it if desired.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
That is how a woman could judge
men of their sins, including homicide.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b If you can show me any scriptures in the bible I'm ok with that but as far I know there's none and there's no part in the bible that says men and woman are equal even Paul said remember the order its God,Christ,men and woman that's what the bible says
@@peeba7921
Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised May 2023)
Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have
said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand
Paul (if possible).
This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do.
They knew the story of Deborah already.
Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent,
in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal.
Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no
scripture stating clearly or even hinting at,
that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man
that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to
take that place.
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INTRODUCTION:
Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings,
there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons
was the time of the Judges.
...but they have rejected Me from being King over them.
Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well.
-excerpt 1 Samuel 8
A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time.
The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as
King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet.
God ruled Israel through the Judges.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Also:
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
Finally:
All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah.
She was married, but her husband was not a Judge.
HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here:
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as
some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty
as the punishment.
There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict:
... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left.
If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution:
But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;...
She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing:
In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you...
She had the same authority as a Levitical priest:
So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge...
Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation.
“If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel.
-excerpt Deuteronomy 17
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THE REASON GOD SENT HER here:
...the Lord was moved to pity...
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people.
It wasn't a judgment against them.
Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used
in error to describe her, in our time:
My people! Their oppressors treat them violently,
And women rule over them.
My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.
-excerpt Isaiah 3
They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to
Jezebel who murdered prophets.
Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord...
-excerpt 1 Kings 18
When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here:
Now she sent word and summoned Barak...
She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won.
Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...
Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman
would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened,
as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera.
She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
And:
But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple.
So what were the results of this battle?
And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left.
Also:
So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan.
-excerpts Judges 4
In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak
singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there.
Final sentence of Judges 5:
And the land was at rest for forty years.
Obviously a great outcome.
EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here:
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth...
Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the
Holy Spirit as we know.
The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men
and being over the army is here:
An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender.
FINAL THOUGHTS here:
A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity
in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is.
To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit
that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the
woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by
God's will.
@@8784-l3b remember Deborah was a exception that wasn't a normal thing in Israel
Hey John, i believe there was a animal was used to bring the word, and several women were mentioned as prophetess, and it never says but Jesus I'm sure listened to his mother. So can we expect you to start saying race and color to be judged, have you ever preached a sermon that never lined up completely until you studied and allow God to correct you ,look at yourself before you judge others
That is taken out of context.
Eve Syndrome.
This man does not understand Paul’s teachings, nor the format that Paul uses to teach Paul states the issue in the churches before he Gives his summary in each book
Paul is restating an issue of Jewish believers in that church. They’re trying to keep women from talking so Paul states the Jewish law which says that women are silent in church at the synagogue. They sit separately from the men and if they have any issues they need to ask their husband at home that is current Jewish law. Paul is teaching against that restating the law and then summarizing it like he does, at the end of every chapter with “the words printed in the Bible for bid no one to speak you people need to wake up
What is that talk to a slave....who's children are not his wife is not his he himself is not his ... the Messiah changed the rules. Many things change in time the lord didn't come to rewrite the word just remixed it. You heard Moses say thou shall not kill.. I'm telling you if you hate say one you already murdered him .Moses said don't commit adultery..I'm telling you if you lust for her or him you already committed adultery. Same thing with the gospel women your sins are forgiven. In Iran they started a church run by women putting their lives on the line daily for the gospel I'm talking about death every day.. So who are we to say who should and should not preach. Keep preaching women Keep preaching cry aloud spare not.
God will have the last say my friend 🙏✝️
Really !!?? Disregard the infallible authoritative Word of God to do what you want? Self deception is a serious disease in the church.😢
Excuse me, catholics have got women preaching
the catholic church is unbiblical, very pagan
This is Biblically inaccurate.
AMEN!!!!