What happened to Nico Robin!?

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  • @aymanabdu2428
    @aymanabdu2428 28 днів тому +25

    Me laughing with my multi billion dollar oil company and destroying the planet whatching people argur over if a character is white or black

  • @СИМОН-ц6о
    @СИМОН-ц6о 16 днів тому +4

    ROBIN GETTING HER BANGS BACK IN LAST MANGA CHAPTER!!!

  • @aemortalidiot3979
    @aemortalidiot3979 28 днів тому +17

    As a white dude, I'm sure I could be missing alot of nuiance, if so lemme know.
    But from my experience I've had feelings of "This is weird" or "This makes zero sense" before, in regards to race swapping. But nowadays, I cannot think of reasons why race swapping matters to me outside of certain contexts or reasons.
    The main context being that, the character is ment to be representative of real world culture. Of course as pointed out in this video that isnt strickly skin colour, but overall i feel it applies.
    An example of what made me realise how i felt about it. Was hermione being played by a black actress. Caused a huge shitstorm and made me actually think about it. Kneejerk reaction was my previous normal of "WTF? Why?" But a more thorough view made me think, (with no context of the media she appeared in.) "Even tho hermione is labeled white in the books, the books rarely touched on race outside of wizarding heritage. So it really didnt matter if hermione was white/black if her focus as a character had nothing/relatively nothing to do with it.
    Idk, there definately are times where media is whitewashed but honestly imo outside people using it as a shield for discrimination, it really shouldnt matter unless it ruins points made about the character in that particular story.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  27 днів тому +3

      You didn't really miss anything here.
      To be honest, this take is spot on.
      Especially, the second paragraph. Like what you described with Hermione is how I thought about Amber/Nojiko.
      It was jarring to me when I first saw those two in each of those adaptations.
      In the end it didn't matter because the portrayal of the character is more important which is why I like Nojiko and really dislike Amber in their respective adaptations.

  • @droupscoup
    @droupscoup 27 днів тому +10

    I agree, we lost so much of Robin's uniqueness post-timeskip. I remember seeing the Egghead outfit for Robin and being thrown aback because it just doesn't fit her at all. Seems more like something Nami would rock.
    I'm not a fan of the sort of blending of Nami and Robin. I genuinely believe there was something in Robin's design that made her look older than everyone else wherelse now her and Nami look likr they could be twins.
    WE NEED THE BANGS BACK!! at the least

    • @droupscoup
      @droupscoup 27 днів тому +1

      And as for black representation in anime. I also welcome it when its there but I'm not expecting it to be. I just want that IF you're gonna add black characters, just do us well. Do your minimal research to make sure you aint falling into racial stereotypes and stuff.
      The only opinion i have on the strawhats skintones is that i prefered them pre-timeskip. They had so much variety and made the characters stand out more. Having everyone with the same skintone is kindof visually boring to me but it's not a big deal.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  26 днів тому +1

      @@droupscoup #bringbackthebangs lol 😂
      Yeah that Egghead outfit had the same effect on me

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 24 дні тому +2

    young Vegapunk looks like an anime version of Principal Prickley from Disney's Recess

  • @jamieagnad1918
    @jamieagnad1918 27 днів тому +6

    Speaking of "donut lips" they've already forgot Gecko Moria, Brunei, and even Ceaser Clown already have those..
    So no that argument is freaking stupid, since the japanese folks are already designing, especially the cartoon-ish art style ones are already making designs with "donut lip" regardless of skin color.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  26 днів тому

      @@jamieagnad1918 that’s true those characters do have those lips. Also i didn’t elaborate on it enough but the fact of the matter is Usopp’s donut lips are appealing. That side by side says it all.

  • @lleszek2
    @lleszek2 28 днів тому +4

    Great video 🎉

  • @CrypticCrisp
    @CrypticCrisp 22 дні тому +1

    I miss 2010 one piece 😢❤

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  21 день тому

      me too. I love the new stuff but Water 7 - Marine Ford (Plus strong world) was peak one piece for me. Egg head is pretty good though

  • @frogsam4228
    @frogsam4228 26 днів тому +1

    This is the first video ever I see in this channel
    And I guess I can listen to you for hours 😂
    You're the type of ppl who can argue without making the other side lose braincells
    Also there's something in your voice and the way you talk is just calming

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому +1

      thanks, bro it means a lot. I try to balance out the argument. Hahaha i guess I'm lucky I've got a British accent lol.

  • @IrregularCaffeine
    @IrregularCaffeine 29 днів тому +14

    when you said you had complaints about Robin, I thought it was something about the character development
    But these are things I mostly agree with, I think it's a bit upsetting that the art style of Oda makes Robin look less like Robin, and more like a generic One Piece character, she looks almost identical to Boa Hancock.
    I LOVED the pre-timeskip design so much. Her facial features were alot more mature and beautiful, which gave alot of contrast to Nami's lively and adventurous looks.
    But that's only when it comes to facial features, I think the clothes representing that Robin is in a better environment makes alot of sense, seeing as how she has friends, family, and is always interacting with joy-filled idiots (the strawhats)
    Great analysis, to be honest

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  28 днів тому +8

      @@IrregularCaffeine yeah she’s very similar to Hancock these days. Her pre time skip design was perfection. Yeah in terms of the clothing I can definitely see both sides of the argument. Thanks for the support.

    • @mohammedraihaaan2251
      @mohammedraihaaan2251 27 днів тому +2

      brother Robin was always white in the manga , it was the anime that made Robin darker skin tone

    • @IrregularCaffeine
      @IrregularCaffeine 27 днів тому +2

      @mohammedraihaaan2251 we know, we don't mind it. it's all about the facial features though. if you looked at robin pre timeskip, her face looks alot more unique than in post timeskip, her face just looks like boa's, but with less forehead now

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  27 днів тому +1

      ​@@mohammedraihaaan2251 i think he was talking about her facial features and I said that in the video aswell

  • @classydays43
    @classydays43 25 днів тому +1

    Nico spent several years in Alabasta so of course she'd have a tan. Then she spent however long on a permafrosted bridge, so that tan left.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому +2

      that's a good theory tbh but vivi is hella pale lol

    • @classydays43
      @classydays43 25 днів тому +1

      @@JmanAnimates that is true but she's also a princess who might have spent a lot of her time inside or wearing veils and shawls to protect her face from the sun.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому

      @@classydays43 fair enough

  • @XiuHang
    @XiuHang 7 днів тому +1

    I think it is important to note that Oda didn't say Usopp was South African and Robin is Russian. He was saying "If they were from the real world they would be..." But they're not from the real world. I've seen some people complaining about Usopp getting "white washed" but as you said Usopp was never black. There are not black characters in One Piece. Oda has explored the concept of race in One Piece in a far more polarizing way. The difference between fishmen and humans is actually race as opposed to the real life version of "race" which is pretty much just skin color. Since One Piece uses literal race, the humans don't get delineated by the skin color version of race. In the manga Caribou is drawn with no indication of darker skin, King is literally a different race, and Daz Bones is also drawn with no indication of darker skin. It's silly and strange to put One Piece characters into a box of the real world version of race. I think it's entirely unfair to judge the live action version of Nojiko being black. The adaptation completely changing her character and personality is what it should be judged on not the race of the actress. Side note: for the pedantry Oda didn't say Usopp would be from South Africa; he wrote Africa.
    On the topic of Nico Robin's design. I simply disagree. Robin's clothes started becoming lighter post Enies lobby not post time-skip, and I think we all understand why. And for post time-skip Robin and Nami's outfits don't really blend into each other most of time. The only times they are really similar is when it narratively makes sense like in the icy part of Punk Hazard or the Onigashima raid. Even your example is very different. The only similarity between Nami's pink one piece swimsuit-esque egghead outfit and Robin's black leather jacket - bikini bottom combo is that they're both "sexy."
    As for the contrasting styles of Nami and Robin, I agree and disagree. I think the thematic styling definitely homogenized a little, but I think it's in the opposite direction. Nami became more Robin-like not the other way around. Nami's outfits pre-time skip were often very similar to contemporary Japanese fashion, lots of leg showing, but mostly covered up on top. Robin's outfits are mostly stylized on international fashion. The post time skip Nami now wears more internationally styled outfits, but she does at times still have the more Japanese stylized outfits. Her outfit throughout Whole Cake Island was in that style.
    One last bit I want to mention, Oda drawing women similarly is another Toei-messed-it-up moment. Yes the faces will be similar compared to others, but the four characters in the example picture all have distinct enough faces that if they were all drawn with the same hair style you'd still be able to tell them apart. It's particularly easy to compare them by reading the parts from the Reverie where Vivi, Shirahoshi, and Rebecca all make appearances; sometimes in the same panel.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  6 днів тому

      thanks for the well-thought-out comment.
      There's some truth to the last paragraph.
      However, we can agree to disagree on the Robin and Nami stuff.

    • @XiuHang
      @XiuHang 6 днів тому +1

      @@JmanAnimates Oh absolutely. Almost everything I wrote is opinion and can reasonably be disagreed with.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  6 днів тому

      @@XiuHang awesome 👏

  • @johnnylight0
    @johnnylight0 26 днів тому +1

    Toei probably hounds Oda a lot more nowadays for the official color schemes before production starts.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому

      yeah i think so

    • @gavin5724
      @gavin5724 19 днів тому

      @@JmanAnimatesyeah the colors of the gorosei ( the five elders) has been revealed and Ju Peter, the one with blond hair actually has grey hair like the rest of them, despite it being blond ever since his introduction. So I guess he might have grey hair next time we see him in the anime.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  18 днів тому

      @ Oda and Toei really should have color sheets for each character lol

    • @johnnylight0
      @johnnylight0 18 днів тому

      @@gavin5724 you don't necessarily have to follow an art piece that just came out. He's been blonde for over 20 years

    • @gavin5724
      @gavin5724 18 днів тому +1

      @ yeah, but it does make me wonder if they will just make the sudden change next time Ju Peter gets shown. If not, that’s fine too.

  • @marpj6138
    @marpj6138 26 днів тому +1

    On Robin, we all miss those bangs, but her more relaxed personality post TS is indeed her character arc, she is a different person. For the "blame toei", I agree but they do change the studio making it from time to time which causes such massive animation changes (including for return to sabaody which is a big one since that did cause the "this is wrong" feeling for anime only people)
    Race swap is a weird thing to talk but IMO at the end of the day quality is king. So if its great then people will disregard it and think of this as a new interpretation, but if its bad that will be used as an example of it since it shows that the adaption team was out of touch.
    But yeah the first reaction to any race swap is "this is wrong" because that is not how the original was, so sometimes even being "good" is not enough because you already started from behind - take the Harry Potter situation, she will be compared to Emma Watson due to being the same character which was already a difficult hill to climb, the race swap just made it even harder.
    Naturally each case is different, character motivation, background and even inspiration are all important and can make a race swap be worse.
    Then there is the political side, it is bad either way but today there is a lot of hypocrisy when talking about it due to swapping to white being vilified by all while swapping to black being defended and calling people that did not like racists. Although I say that some recent adaptations make me extra angry whenever I see the showrunner saying something like "and make this mine" because that is too much narcissism without any love for the original - changes are ok and even necessary for the new medium (look at LotR trilogy or One Piece LA) but they need to be done for the right reason (enhance the story with the new medium) and not for the producer/writter ego
    Last on the lips thing, or more generalized on stereotypes in general - I dont mind them and most exist with reason I feel that people just hate too much that they exist without actually looking at context and context is always important. For example take "black face", it is bad because some piece of shit people used it to make fun of black people, that is what makes it bad. But that is due to context, now look at a Tropical Thunder or that Community episode - they do technically have black face but its great because they are not being racist about it (on the contrary for the community one, they are making fun). For the lips it is indeed an outdated technique but I'm more forgiven in manga because the black and white medium using things like that do help to identify origin of the character (same reason they normally make americans more "square"), albeit context of the manga is also important

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  26 днів тому

      Thanks for the comment.
      I agree with the first paragraph, even if I'm biased about Robin having more of a 'classy goth girl look', lol (I don't know what else to call it). It makes sense that things have changed, but chances like Egg Head are a bit too far for me with her and Nami's outfits just being super similar.
      Also, I agree race swaps should be done for the right reasons. I think making Usopp black in the live-action felt right tbh and didn't take anything away from the character. One piece LA has done a pretty good job with its casting so far.
      I haven't seen Tropic Thunder, and I've only seen a bit of Community, so I can't comment on that at the moment. I do know Robert Downey Jr. got backlash for Tropic Thunder, though. I remember hearing him talk about it on Joe Rogan a few years back.

  • @JakeYolk
    @JakeYolk 26 днів тому +1

    Not far into one piece but robin and usopp both getting whiter has always been crazy to me lol, i dont think it was malicious either but idk it could have been addressed or something
    Also i liked robin's pre timeskip design way more than post

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому

      where are you up to?
      yeah it's kinda weird it just happens suddenly after the timeskip.
      Pretime skip Robin FTW!

    • @JakeYolk
      @JakeYolk 25 днів тому +1

      @@JmanAnimates fr bro i like the design lots, im still in skypiea

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  25 днів тому

      @@JakeYolk niceee. Skypia is fun

  • @Nastyn1nja808
    @Nastyn1nja808 27 днів тому +1

    what happened? The Anime incorrectky colored her 20 years ago

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  27 днів тому

      pretty much in regards to the skin tone aspect of the video

  • @OfficialTransformers
    @OfficialTransformers 28 днів тому +4

    ❤️♥️❤️♥️❤️♥️

  • @mayanksinghkarakoti
    @mayanksinghkarakoti 25 днів тому +1

    I almost dropped the show just because how they massacred my girl robin.

  • @JuniadTheunis
    @JuniadTheunis 27 днів тому +1

    If Usop is not white or black he is a coloured from South Africa

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  27 днів тому

      good point that actually makes a lot of sense tbh

    • @JuniadTheunis
      @JuniadTheunis 27 днів тому +1

      @@JmanAnimates thinks. But I just fought it would be cool because I'm a coloured from South Africa to 👍🏽

    • @TinoNoah-007
      @TinoNoah-007 26 днів тому

      Nah

  • @shangchi365
    @shangchi365 26 днів тому

    Thumbnail: It’s not about race
    Video: It’s about race

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  26 днів тому

      What? I literally said that it’s not Oda fault and that Toei made a mistake then I explained that my problem is here bangs, facial structure and clothing. Do you even watch the video?

  • @katieedwards6444
    @katieedwards6444 28 днів тому +5

    could you imagine the current One Piece if-
    1) Oda had more a collaborative relationship with his editors as he did in the early years
    2) he had editors of color writing with him
    3) he had women editors writing with him (and let's include lgbtq+ individuals too!)
    Including different groups of people can only enhance the story with unique perspectives, it shouldn't be threatening or considered political for better representation.
    As a woman myself it is sometimes so hard to watch the newer episodes as women seem to only exclusively drawn in the male gaze and the rape culture comments from some of the characters is honestly very upsetting.
    Maybe if Oda's daughter goes no contact with him for a few years he'll educate himself? Jk, I just hope Oda one day can get it.
    Thank you for your vid!! I'm excited to sub to your channel before it gets huge (:

    • @mohammedraihaaan2251
      @mohammedraihaaan2251 27 днів тому +1

      Wtf is wrong with you ? Oda's daughter having no contact for a few years ?? Do u really think oda only draw for male gaze ?? Have you seen Zoro?????? Its a fucking drawing and that's his story he can draw whatever the fuck he wants , who are u to say something like "Oda's daughter goes no contact with for a few years" it's not funny

    • @Zejoant
      @Zejoant 27 днів тому +6

      The only reason one piece has stayed good over they years is because Oda does whatever he wants with the story. If people are brought in that tell him what to do all the time one piece will be ruined. Sure it would be nice of female characters weren't drawn so fanservicey but its not that big of a deal. I can easily put that aside for the awsome things one piece offer.

    • @mohammedraihaaan2251
      @mohammedraihaaan2251 27 днів тому +3

      @@Zejoant exactly, not every story is going to be perfect and every author has a flaw

    • @muhammadfaridizzuddin
      @muhammadfaridizzuddin 27 днів тому +1

      I mean it's still threatening to the story though. You're killing creativity with microfixes, censorship and better representations. What makes manga so appealing is cause of how fully auteurs driven it is. We're fully experiencing the author's voice or opinion. Both, the good and the bad. When you have all these group of people trying to correct him, you're going to end with corporate products that tries to play it safe. No risk is being taken or maybe not as much. I rather just have them slowly grow and learn on their own from their own interest. And then, reflecting them in their works. Not cause of some people of colours telling them, they're doing the racist or being ignorant. Or maybe they keep on being ignorant but at the end of the day, their work still feel authentic.
      Like sure you can still bring more diverse groups of people in your team. But that does not mean it would automatically enhance the story with unique perspectives. That's very optimistic way of looking at it. Cause sometimes those unique experiences contains stories that are uncomfortable to hear or to learn. From a moral and individual growth perspective, that's great. But from an artistic perspective, that's gonna be an overthinking nightmare. Cause now you'll be more afraid to approach a story from a certain angle or design a character a certain way. Maybe once you become a much more experienced artist who's more confident with your work, better technical prowess, and overall being wiser, that's when you start open up to more perspectives.
      This is coming from my own personal experience though.

    • @JmanAnimates
      @JmanAnimates  27 днів тому +1

      Ace is female gaze for sure

  • @ONEPEAKFRFR
    @ONEPEAKFRFR 27 днів тому

    Great video 🎉