Also, according to the pokedex, Mienshao can use her water sleeve fur as wips, which may take inspiration to how some chineae martial artists employ chain wips in combat
Also if the combat partner is stronger it and its the opposite sex it will bite the sleeves as a way to set the mood for some fun if you know what im saying
I would like to point out the long sleeves were actually used for dancing in real life (not an expert on this so don't quote me on it, but I think the long sleeved dancing was very popular during Han period) than martial art. But yeah... martial arts is probably something that's more well known in popular culture. There is a Chinese saying 长袖善舞 (roughly translate to 'long sleeves good at/adapted at dancing' in English), which is used to describe someone who is very socially adapt.
Gonna put my comment here for greater chance of it being seen. They are sleeves. I've seen it depicted in some, albeit bs, martial arts where long sleeves will be used as a defensive tool. It serves as a disjoint to slap away incoming strike, potentially wrap up their weapon/limb, blind them, stuff like that. Pretty cool in theory, but isn't really practical and wouldn't work in a real fight.
9:57 those are either supposed to be long sleeves worn by various female Chinese martial artists, or are supposed to be some kind of reference to Fujian White Crane style Kung Fu that involves open and limp hands. Idk tho that’s just what I think
@@hefancy6921 It kinda is relevant to the inspiration- there's crossover between the status of the martial arts regalia you mention and the Western notions of high class clothes using ermine fur! Think of the classic look of a European king, with the luxurious white fur, with the black, long spots- that is ermine, with the black spots being their tails. Heraldric imagery of ermine actually parallels Meinshao's hand tufts, with a swoop that splits, with the lower portion being a darker color.
Yeah it's for sure supposed to be "sleeves". "shuixiu" were sleeves mainly uses by Chinese performance artists, to exaggerate movement. There is kinda the trope of martial artist wearing "changshan" with sleeves that long, but it's mostly a drama/film things and the sleeves were never that long in reality. I think it uses them them to hide it's movements and it apparently uses them to whip weaker opponents; but will chew them off in fights vs strong opponents to lower it's weight, so it can hit faster. Very anime.
Pro players don't use bad pokemon, they use super niche pokemon to fit specific roles. Teambuilding off-meta stuff is always my favorite part of pokemon it's so fun when you finally make some super random thing work lol
The things I've learned about VGC, if you think that things are too centralized and team building is uninteresting, then you just simply aren't doing enough out of the box thinking to know how to change things up and are too focused on top mons
@@mysticpumpkin8520There are a lot less options in a singles, 6v6 format is why. You can't bring niche answers that can be left on the bench if not needed, nor can you rely on tools like redirection or flinches to open up room for a partner to take out the problematic, centralizing mon. Just different formats at the end of the day, both are fun in their own ways
The doubles format allows even the most broken Pokémon to be more easily answered, and it’s true that smogon players often don’t understand this. However, the same thing happens in reverse. VGC players always assume smogon is banning things because they’re bad, and they should just “learn to adapt”, when the fact is in singles it is much easier for a pokemon to truly be too much
@@blazechaos212 Well, it's a different kind of options. The many tiers give all sorts of metagames where basically any mons can find a home and be playable, with each having their quirks and centralizing bits (I like to play Little Cup when in a competitive singles mood for instance, which is base form mons only at level 5, and sometimes go back to do some Gen 4 OU). Due to those tiers usually being singles battles though there are less options in battle compared to doubles, so often times they will fall into similar pitfalls (setup sweepers that get going too easily, speed creep wars invalidating entire teams at times, etc), which VGC tends to avoid due to the playstyle of bring 4 doubles. So it's really hard to compare options of formats to options in battle, they're just different flavors of options, and like flavors people are going to gravitate to them based on what they like
Players incorrectly assume that the reason most Pokemon can never be viable is because of Legendaries. The reality is that ANY asynchronous multiplayer game with selectable player options will, when played competitively, reduce itself to a limited number of viable options. The very existence of so many choices is what makes so few of them viable. Yes, that's counterintuitive, but it makes perfect sense when you think through why that is. In a format of 100 choices, and you get to pick only 1 choice, your 1 choice needs to be viable against as many of those 99 alternative choices as possible. Its simply not mathematically possible for most of the roster of choices to be good against most of the roster choices obviously. 51% of the roster can not be good against 51% of the roster, as we only have 100%. So naturally ONLY a minority can be good on a reliable basis. The more choices available to a player, the smaller a number of those choices can be viable. If there's thousands of options, like say a card game like magic the gathering, than only cards that have the advantage against thousands of alternative choices can be viable. The more Pokemon that get added, the smaller a percentage of them will be playable. Its just an innate element of designing games. The real question isn't whether a small number of Pokemon see extreme viability, but how big of a gap there is between them and the alternative choice. If you don't use the legendary, how much weaker is the next step down? If the gap is small enough, you can have large numbers of players choosing what they like and simply letting skill make up for the 1 or 2% different in pokemon quality. If its a large gap? Well that kills the point in having alternative choices. Legendary doesn't matter, gap in alternatives matters. Incineroar isn't Legendary, but if you can't come up with an alternative to Incineroar that doesn't immediately put your at an insurmountable disadvantage, then we have a problem. Whether or not the gap with restricted formats legitimately is too large I am not qualified to say.
True but pokemon is a heavy rng stats game so why not just homogenize a majority of mons? More people would be happy this way. There is something seriously wrong about the fact that some of teh most popular pokemon are all bad in competitive play. Greninja, Pikachu, Lucario and charizard a lot of times all suck. Legendaries haven't been special for a long time so i see no reason they should be treated as above the rest anymore given how you can just be gifted a legendary without any requirement for it nowadays.
@@dave9515 Charizard, Lucario, and Geninja aren't that bad it all depends on the current meta (for example I thing Giganta Charizard saw a lot of use)..and pikachu is weak because it's an early route rodent. Pokemon isn't JUST competitive! You have to remember that. It's also got a story and lore..pokemon may be better or worse for the story or lore reasons..legendaries will ALWAYS be strong and treated as special because LORE WISE and even STORY WISE they're supposed to. It is what it is, y'know?
"I wasn't breaking the 4th wall to criticize the development of metagames. I was just referencing Silver who blamed his Pokémon for his own shortcomings. Stop quoting me just because you want an excuse for being bad at teambuilding." -Karen, Indigo Elite Four
Some of us still have PTSD from how frustrating and annoying ORAS competitive was. Countless Pokemon, but everyone still ran Primals and Mega Rayquaza for instant wins through just raw power alone. Yes, there was some counter-play but overall it was just instant 'I win' combos that wasn't fun to play in.
Calyrex shadow is such a broken monster it ain’t even funny. It has counters but being able to just 90%+ everything on the field that isn’t bulky as heck or immune is so hard to deal with.
Mienshao's floppy things are fur! Its paws are visible at the place where they bend; it has long fur that hangs over its paws and it uses them like whips in battle!
9:57 That is fur in the shape of long sleeves that it uses as whips. Weirdly enough if it encounters a challenging oponent it will bite them off to become faster. Which is doubly weird cause it doesnt have unburden or anything the like
During gen 8 national dex AG I used shedninja to knock out calyrex shadow with weakness policy endure shadow sneak. Since no one ever expects endure they don't have counterplay most of the time. Higher ladder players found ways round this but it was so funny on low ladder.
Fun fact just because Tera-Electric Shedinja got brought up again. It died to Thousand Arrows as well, one of the Zygarde Signature moves. Like Smackdown but Ground Type, meaning it slipped past both Wonder Guard *and* Air Balloon.
In pokemon lore mienshao use their long droopy arms as whips according to the pokedex. The meta answer is that mienshao is inspired by ancient chinese martial artists who wore robes with long flowing sleeves that would droop which is where the design element comes from.
Imo, mienshao's dangly bits evoke the idea of the loose sleeves of martial artist's robes. You can see mienshao has little hands where the "sleeves" droop over. It's not an explicit example of Pokemon wearing clothes like Machamp or Throh, but an implication, as seen with Mega Lopunny, for example.
The thing on mienshao's hand is design base on the sleeves of traditional Chinese costume(like 2,000 years ago..). Hangfu漢服 is one of the example of those costume. Those are pocket sew on the sleeve to store some light items. Also probably has aesthetic purpose.
8:29 Aged mildly poorly given that Shadowrex has been performing kinda poorly so far this series. I think it's safe to say that no one saw Shadowrex only being mid coming
According to the Pokedex, the floppy bits on Mienshao’s arms are curtains of fur that it uses as whips. Also, it apparently will bite them off to lighten itself if they fight someone really tough, like Goku with the weighted gi. It has normal hands under the fur.
It won a format, that didnt allow restricted, it won in a low powerlevel and did so because of its utility at the time. Utility that would be bodied by legendaries.
@@RadiativeChester There's bad pokemon, theres trash and there is niche. Most of these ''bad'' but counters XYZ, is not bad. They're niche. Pachirisu is just bad, but is ''niche'' if only the normal PKD is allowed. But when your restricted to less than 100 pokemons, like in the 14 formet. Its not exactly hard to be niche. Because everything there has atleast 1 or 2 unique move's/combinations. Which doesnt exsist with an open dex. Thus its just plain trash.
9:57 They are sleeves. I've seen it depicted in some, albeit bs, martial arts where long sleeves will be used as a defensive tool. It serves as a disjoint to slap away incoming strike, potentially wrap up their weapon/limb, blind them, stuff like that. Pretty cool in theory, but isn't really practical and wouldn't work in a real fight.
I think this is why having different formats is so important. Because variety is nice, if everything was done the same. Eventually a perfect meta happens and the game becomes stale. Legendaries can really trivialize things sometimes as seen with the Primals. At the same time, He makes a pretty good point on the pros of their use too. Take away the legendaries and there still develops a couple pokemon that will rise to the top and be seen in the majority of teams, variety is nice.
U have fake out, wide guard, and close combat on ur mienshao pick ur next move: detect, u-turn, ice spinner, feint, upper hand, coaching, taunt, quick guard, or rock tomb
Mienshou: the long floppy sleeves are a reference to a practice in wing chun that hides the hands and arms from the opponent and makes it hard to see how they're moving. The sleeves themselves can also become weapons if the fighter knows what he's doing. The Japanese hakama worn by kendo masters does the same thing, but for the legs and feet, as shifts of the feet telegraph movements.
2:18 there’s one other group of people who use shedinja terra electric air balloon, the people who have friends that like playing matches and spam legendaries and don’t actually know why anyone would ever use a status move when you could be doing damage
Meinshao's floppy things are sleeves. based on old martial artist outfits where the sleeves were large and wide to cover/hide the hands. confusing enemies because they cant tell where the hands are, what they are doing (a punch a chop etc) or if they are even holding knives and other tools like assissians.
To answer your question about what the sleeves on mienshou are, they're essentially flesh whips similar to how Sylveon uses them. But they also are a reference to a specific fighting style which uses whip like sleeves to fight from a mid range. Also a reference to Japanese jumping zombies
And being a bodyguard that specializes in defeating an angry/dirty (heel) Pro Wrestler is very fitting for an elegant traditional martial artist. Love to see if
Look I don’t play competitive pokemon but the feeling of legendaries being a necessity on teams is what pushes me away from it because I don’t want to be forced to use a certain class of pokemon To put it simply I hate feeling like I have use Pokémon like landorus, ogrepon, urshifu, tornadus, etc. to be successful or at least not be at a severe disadvantage.
Thats just a higher power level. If a format where only 300 bst total mons were legal, it would still have the same overcentralizing aspect and a couple of mons seeming(and being generally) better than the rest
@@oscen335yes but to be fair. There hardly ever if not never any options where you can play in tours with those restrictions. And GameFreak seems to have had their foot on the gas to blast through anything not including massively op mons for the entirety of gen 9.
Ok but hear me out; Shiftree could actually work. It gets Chlorophyll to run next to Groudon, has access to Fakeout, STAB knockoff for Calyrex, and Solar Blade for Kyogre. I'm not saying it'll be good, but it might actually be useful. It's also immune to Prankster and Spore if that ever comes up.
Shedinja also invites(/invited?) a ton of shenanigans via Mimic. It could learn Skill Swap from someone like Lopunny, then bestow Wonder Guard to, lets say, Arcanine, who would proceed to use Burn Up (which makes the user lose its fire typing), turn into a ??? type and be immune to every direct damage move (except stuff that ignores abilities or forces certain abilities like Simple Beam or Worry Seed). Massive bonus points for its infinite potential to clown on noobs.
The dangly bits on Mienshao are just tufts of long fur, meant to give it more reach with its fast strikes, like holding some heavy strips of cloth in each hand as whips. One of the pokedex entires mentions that when desperate itll gnaw all the fur off to get lighter, letting it move and attack faster
Some similar things happen in singles in the Ubers tier, like how Ribombee is a common Sticky Web lead in Ubers and is more common than a lot of legendary pokémon.
the 'floppy things' on Mienshao could be seen as a strange thing, but if you look at certain martial arts weapons and styles they have some uses for long flowing sheets that can act as distractions. It's meant to distract or blind opponents so the real attack can't be defended. Feint is a perfect move for Mienshao as the 'long sleeves' can be how it would distract said opponent to go under the protect. (If we're going to use real world ways to explain an in-game move.)
I'm pretty sure, design wise, the "fur whips" on Meinshaos arms are supposed to represent the Longer sleeves that you would see on, some, Chinese martial artists(used to confuse the opponent and make it harder to read their movements)
10:06 They're supposed to look like sleeves. Mienshao is supposed to resemble a practitioner of Chinese Kenpo. And often fictional characters who use Kenpo are depicted as having long sleeves. Take a look at the Street Fighter 4 character F.A.N.G. and you'll see the resemblance.
My favorite thing to do in competitive is to pick a niche unsuspecting Pokémon and use it to set up or sweep, I swear it always works, they never see it coming until it’s too late.
2:45 aside from most competitive Zacian players (at least that I've seen) having Crunch, it can also learn, Bite, Air Slash, and Snarl (though why anyone would use anything other than crunch would be beyond me)
11:16 To be fair, the reason why people use Iron Valiant in OU is because Flutter Mane is BANNED. Flutter Mane feels illegal in VGC, just think how it feels in context where they can just one shot stuff and nothing happens in the opponent's side.
The things on Meinshao are weird little sleeves for it's weird flesh clothes, idk what kind of Japanese clothes it is but there's a kind of clothes that is baggy/ has long sleeves and sometimes associated with martial arts masters especially in old Japanese movies
Raichu is one of my favourites after I used it to (almost) win a draft league competition. During dynamax era. Used Raichu with salac berry an fling, and weakness policy metagross. won so many games on turn 1 lol
9:52 in Pokémon sugma, there was a dex entry that says mienshao collects the foreskin of its victims and sows them onto its arms. So it’s just foreskin, no big deal
Another interesting thing about Wo-Chien is that it can actually nerf the physical restricteds damage output since they normally all currently run Clear amulet and can’t have their attack lowered.
Tyranitar was on three teams in top cut and made finals in 2010. No GS cup in 5th gen, however, might be note worthy it was a major component of both of Smogon's gens 4 & 5 ubers metas. It's decline is more likely from mechanic changes happening since gen 6.
I think the main reason why so many non comp players dislike legendaries is that most of the time that's all you ever see on winning lists, even if there are certain pokemon thrown in to counter certain legendaries. Plus the fact that since we're on gen 9 and there's about 81 legendary pokemon, plus the constant power creep, we're tired of it. As much as I love Lugia and Groundon, I'd get tired of seeing them every generation, plus it doesn't the fact GF had shiny locked all the returning legendaries in the DLC. -_-'
I mean, with that title, I expected part of the response to be "because it screws with the meta" -- that's why the Pachirisu is so infamous, because it was an off-meta pick that, as a result, had people being unsure how to react to a sassy squirrel with enough SpDef and HP to survive eating a Draco Meteor.
you can put 172 ev’s into speed nature valiant with wide guard and knock off to speed creep timid max speed CalyS on terrain, block astral with WG and guarantee 99 or a KO (unsashed) even if you go timid with the atk decrease. Albeit i only based this on the pikalytics spreads from sw/sh where allegedly 252/252 was the most common so that may change as of late
So for Mienshao, the arms that you were confused with is actually just fur. The point of it, according to lore, is that when in the heat of battle against a challenging opponent Mienshao will bite it off to become limber and lighter so to increase its dexterity and speed. The arm fur can also be used as a battle whip against opponents, possibly for longer reach to them.
It’s because strong Pokémon, weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers know that all Pokémon are bad.
Except Incineroar.
Incineroar is so stupid.
5 Incineroar beats any team.
(SHUDDERING)
@@Connowot387doesn't even need the option of the 6th incin
Incineroar is busted
*"It's the ultimate support pokemon-"*
@@ProfessorNikusaFabelwoodyeah that means it will support its fellow incins
Mienshao's dangly bits on the arms are likely long tufts of fur meant to resemble the sleeves of some Chinese martial artists.
Also, according to the pokedex, Mienshao can use her water sleeve fur as wips, which may take inspiration to how some chineae martial artists employ chain wips in combat
Also if the combat partner is stronger it and its the opposite sex it will bite the sleeves as a way to set the mood for some fun if you know what im saying
I would like to point out the long sleeves were actually used for dancing in real life (not an expert on this so don't quote me on it, but I think the long sleeved dancing was very popular during Han period) than martial art. But yeah... martial arts is probably something that's more well known in popular culture.
There is a Chinese saying 长袖善舞 (roughly translate to 'long sleeves good at/adapted at dancing' in English), which is used to describe someone who is very socially adapt.
You forgot to say fun fact, and Bazinga .
Gonna put my comment here for greater chance of it being seen.
They are sleeves. I've seen it depicted in some, albeit bs, martial arts where long sleeves will be used as a defensive tool. It serves as a disjoint to slap away incoming strike, potentially wrap up their weapon/limb, blind them, stuff like that. Pretty cool in theory, but isn't really practical and wouldn't work in a real fight.
LeBron James Reportedly locked kyogre into choice specs Water Spout in front of a Gastrodon
How does this effect his legacy?
Spoiler alert - it had sticky hold
@@fsgdevil7959 MJ would've used a grass type instead 😤
Classic LeBron mistake 😂
Dammit LeBron... at it again
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This pokemon is unviable UNLESS kyogre is around
Mr Whale generates more niches and jobs than most goverments😂
Kyogre for president
just like old gen ubers
@@mysticpumpkin8520 not to get political but maybe team aqua was onto something here 🤔🤔🤔
Kyogre IS the restricted meta
Dip.
Shedinja on his way to wall out Kyogre for the 15th time every single restricted format
Scarlet and Violet: Oh, I don’t think so. And for good reason.
@@Connowot387 Funny thing about that is that Shedinja isn't in the game.
And also did u know tera electric air balloon shedinja
@@Eroil Sand Stream teams go brrrr
@@jackk.4670 Tyranitar? Restricted format? I'm not so sure...
Shedinja is just a baby
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9:57 those are either supposed to be long sleeves worn by various female Chinese martial artists, or are supposed to be some kind of reference to Fujian White Crane style Kung Fu that involves open and limp hands. Idk tho that’s just what I think
It is stated in its dex entries that those are long tuffs of fur
@@jaydrawer5894 I’m just talking about inspirations really
@@hefancy6921
It kinda is relevant to the inspiration- there's crossover between the status of the martial arts regalia you mention and the Western notions of high class clothes using ermine fur!
Think of the classic look of a European king, with the luxurious white fur, with the black, long spots- that is ermine, with the black spots being their tails.
Heraldric imagery of ermine actually parallels Meinshao's hand tufts, with a swoop that splits, with the lower portion being a darker color.
Thats what i came here to say
Yeah it's for sure supposed to be "sleeves". "shuixiu" were sleeves mainly uses by Chinese performance artists, to exaggerate movement.
There is kinda the trope of martial artist wearing "changshan" with sleeves that long, but it's mostly a drama/film things and the sleeves were never that long in reality.
I think it uses them them to hide it's movements and it apparently uses them to whip weaker opponents; but will chew them off in fights vs strong opponents to lower it's weight, so it can hit faster.
Very anime.
I use bad Pokémon because I can’t keep making new Incineroar sets
Wait, you don’t have 10 boxes filled with Incineroar with different sets, or blank sets ready to be EV’d and used? Weird, guess that’s just me
Weedle fan boy #2
turbo fast Incineroar
turbo bulky incineroar
Choice specs incineroar
"Do you wall Kyogre? Congrats, you have a niche"
I love how Kyogre coming around always makes Gastrodon viable. Justice for the slug.
I knew there was a reason Cynthia kept him around.
*SLOOG*
Pro players don't use bad pokemon, they use super niche pokemon to fit specific roles. Teambuilding off-meta stuff is always my favorite part of pokemon it's so fun when you finally make some super random thing work lol
Well, the title is more appealing to most people, since at face value using a Pokemon with 1 HP is stupid in any scenario
@@Bighomie39ngl that stupid pokemon gave me all kinds of trouble in SwSh lolol
@@scottcrysel yeah, but at least they didn't give Wonder Guard to Sableye back in Gen 3
Edit: I meant Sableye, not Salamence, I may be stupid
@@Bighomie39the horror...
The things I've learned about VGC, if you think that things are too centralized and team building is uninteresting, then you just simply aren't doing enough out of the box thinking to know how to change things up and are too focused on top mons
Sadly, usually this comes from from smogon players.
Talk about culture shock (tho to be fair, the viceversa scenario happens as often)
@@mysticpumpkin8520There are a lot less options in a singles, 6v6 format is why. You can't bring niche answers that can be left on the bench if not needed, nor can you rely on tools like redirection or flinches to open up room for a partner to take out the problematic, centralizing mon. Just different formats at the end of the day, both are fun in their own ways
The doubles format allows even the most broken Pokémon to be more easily answered, and it’s true that smogon players often don’t understand this. However, the same thing happens in reverse. VGC players always assume smogon is banning things because they’re bad, and they should just “learn to adapt”, when the fact is in singles it is much easier for a pokemon to truly be too much
@@itztaytay2they think they have more options due to the tiering system. What do you think of that?
@@blazechaos212 Well, it's a different kind of options. The many tiers give all sorts of metagames where basically any mons can find a home and be playable, with each having their quirks and centralizing bits (I like to play Little Cup when in a competitive singles mood for instance, which is base form mons only at level 5, and sometimes go back to do some Gen 4 OU).
Due to those tiers usually being singles battles though there are less options in battle compared to doubles, so often times they will fall into similar pitfalls (setup sweepers that get going too easily, speed creep wars invalidating entire teams at times, etc), which VGC tends to avoid due to the playstyle of bring 4 doubles.
So it's really hard to compare options of formats to options in battle, they're just different flavors of options, and like flavors people are going to gravitate to them based on what they like
Speaking of Meinshao, you may be interested to know that the move "Wide Guard" is literally called "Bodyguard" in Italian.
Players incorrectly assume that the reason most Pokemon can never be viable is because of Legendaries. The reality is that ANY asynchronous multiplayer game with selectable player options will, when played competitively, reduce itself to a limited number of viable options. The very existence of so many choices is what makes so few of them viable. Yes, that's counterintuitive, but it makes perfect sense when you think through why that is.
In a format of 100 choices, and you get to pick only 1 choice, your 1 choice needs to be viable against as many of those 99 alternative choices as possible. Its simply not mathematically possible for most of the roster of choices to be good against most of the roster choices obviously. 51% of the roster can not be good against 51% of the roster, as we only have 100%. So naturally ONLY a minority can be good on a reliable basis.
The more choices available to a player, the smaller a number of those choices can be viable. If there's thousands of options, like say a card game like magic the gathering, than only cards that have the advantage against thousands of alternative choices can be viable.
The more Pokemon that get added, the smaller a percentage of them will be playable. Its just an innate element of designing games.
The real question isn't whether a small number of Pokemon see extreme viability, but how big of a gap there is between them and the alternative choice. If you don't use the legendary, how much weaker is the next step down? If the gap is small enough, you can have large numbers of players choosing what they like and simply letting skill make up for the 1 or 2% different in pokemon quality. If its a large gap? Well that kills the point in having alternative choices. Legendary doesn't matter, gap in alternatives matters. Incineroar isn't Legendary, but if you can't come up with an alternative to Incineroar that doesn't immediately put your at an insurmountable disadvantage, then we have a problem. Whether or not the gap with restricted formats legitimately is too large I am not qualified to say.
True but pokemon is a heavy rng stats game so why not just homogenize a majority of mons? More people would be happy this way. There is something seriously wrong about the fact that some of teh most popular pokemon are all bad in competitive play. Greninja, Pikachu, Lucario and charizard a lot of times all suck. Legendaries haven't been special for a long time so i see no reason they should be treated as above the rest anymore given how you can just be gifted a legendary without any requirement for it nowadays.
@@dave9515 Charizard, Lucario, and Geninja aren't that bad it all depends on the current meta (for example I thing Giganta Charizard saw a lot of use)..and pikachu is weak because it's an early route rodent. Pokemon isn't JUST competitive! You have to remember that. It's also got a story and lore..pokemon may be better or worse for the story or lore reasons..legendaries will ALWAYS be strong and treated as special because LORE WISE and even STORY WISE they're supposed to. It is what it is, y'know?
Insert the funny elite four quote about using your favorite Pokémon
"I wasn't breaking the 4th wall to criticize the development of metagames. I was just referencing Silver who blamed his Pokémon for his own shortcomings. Stop quoting me just because you want an excuse for being bad at teambuilding." -Karen, Indigo Elite Four
wait is this a real quote? @@mukatte4755
@@mukatte4755 she was so real for that
@@mukatte4755 real
"They use the long fur on their arms as a whip to strike their opponents." The pokedex on Mienshao.
4:16
Dont say it dont think it DON'T DO IT
Amogus
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untrustworthy and deceitful
Sus
im going crazy rn
Kyoger: I am god of the sea and I cause tsunamis and thunderstorms when around
Sheninja: hello
Kyoger: that thing scares me
MoxieBoosted implies the existence of ChillingNeighBoosted and GrimNeighBoosted.
What about BattleBondBoosted?
Shout out to Beast Boosted
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 BeastBoostBoosted
@@itsyaboychipsahoy.7989 BeastBoostBoosted?
@@urkerab "Brought to you by the creators of Dragoniteite"
Some of us still have PTSD from how frustrating and annoying ORAS competitive was.
Countless Pokemon, but everyone still ran Primals and Mega Rayquaza for instant wins through just raw power alone. Yes, there was some counter-play but overall it was just instant 'I win' combos that wasn't fun to play in.
Wow, ORAS Smogon was my favorite era of competitive, guess it was different for VGC players
8:38 calyrex shadow, yes, the perfect pokemon to have, *ckecks notes* chilling neigh.
Calyrex shadow is such a broken monster it ain’t even funny. It has counters but being able to just 90%+ everything on the field that isn’t bulky as heck or immune is so hard to deal with.
@@rileyackison4495 You could probably make the argument that it's more broken than zacian
Pretty sure it got banned much faster (zacian was in the game longer but wasn’t ban worthy until dlc 2 if I remember correctly)
I learned from Blunder that you can play with literally any bad mon and just sack it instantly and then win with the broken shit
Mienshao's floppy things are fur! Its paws are visible at the place where they bend; it has long fur that hangs over its paws and it uses them like whips in battle!
Moxie......this is the 7th times in a row you show wo chien in class
Scarf ditto is the best vibe check in pokemon
Because we love our favorite snail
4:09 YOU LIE TO ME! How am I suppose the answer such an hard question in such a short time! And you don't even give us that time! I want a refunds!
9:57 That is fur in the shape of long sleeves that it uses as whips. Weirdly enough if it encounters a challenging oponent it will bite them off to become faster. Which is doubly weird cause it doesnt have unburden or anything the like
It's just a case of lore thing which doesn't impact the game at all lol
During gen 8 national dex AG I used shedninja to knock out calyrex shadow with weakness policy endure shadow sneak. Since no one ever expects endure they don't have counterplay most of the time. Higher ladder players found ways round this but it was so funny on low ladder.
Knock off as well to beat oppodents priority moves
For me I been using Maushold in Ubers since people will underestimate it and try to set up so I one shot their whole team
“Throughout Heaven and Earth, I alone am the wonder guarded one”
Fun fact just because Tera-Electric Shedinja got brought up again. It died to Thousand Arrows as well, one of the Zygarde Signature moves. Like Smackdown but Ground Type, meaning it slipped past both Wonder Guard *and* Air Balloon.
In pokemon lore mienshao use their long droopy arms as whips according to the pokedex.
The meta answer is that mienshao is inspired by ancient chinese martial artists who wore robes with long flowing sleeves that would droop which is where the design element comes from.
9:58 Those things on Mienshao's arms are called "fur" 🤯
Edit: They're called "water sleeves"
Imo, mienshao's dangly bits evoke the idea of the loose sleeves of martial artist's robes. You can see mienshao has little hands where the "sleeves" droop over.
It's not an explicit example of Pokemon wearing clothes like Machamp or Throh, but an implication, as seen with Mega Lopunny, for example.
The thing on mienshao's hand is design base on the sleeves of traditional Chinese costume(like 2,000 years ago..). Hangfu漢服 is one of the example of those costume. Those are pocket sew on the sleeve to store some light items. Also probably has aesthetic purpose.
I've always loved how in lower power formats, bad pokémon are bad, while in higher power formats they become good
Clefairy can be quite annoying too, with follow me and friend guard making legendaries more tanky and helping hand to increase their power
Bruh if you make it to worlds and don’t bring Wo Chien; we will all be disappointed and sad
Thumbnail reminds me of the time I considered teaching Kyogre ancient power just for shedinja
"how to have bad character find niche, step by step:
does it beat kyogre in some way?
if yes: play
if no: no :)"
8:29 Aged mildly poorly given that Shadowrex has been performing kinda poorly so far this series. I think it's safe to say that no one saw Shadowrex only being mid coming
According to the Pokedex, the floppy bits on Mienshao’s arms are curtains of fur that it uses as whips. Also, it apparently will bite them off to lighten itself if they fight someone really tough, like Goku with the weighted gi. It has normal hands under the fur.
Yessssss Iron Valiant 🙌🏾🙌🏾. Been experimenting a ton with it. Close combat, spirit break, wide guard, Sd with a focus sash.
If this video doesn't convince you that "Bad Pokemon" can never win a tournament, *Pachirisu says hi.*
It won a format, that didnt allow restricted, it won in a low powerlevel and did so because of its utility at the time. Utility that would be bodied by legendaries.
Different equation, similar results. Both cases are niche picks that only fit a specific meta trend
@@RadiativeChester There's bad pokemon, theres trash and there is niche. Most of these ''bad'' but counters XYZ, is not bad. They're niche. Pachirisu is just bad, but is ''niche'' if only the normal PKD is allowed.
But when your restricted to less than 100 pokemons, like in the 14 formet. Its not exactly hard to be niche. Because everything there has atleast 1 or 2 unique move's/combinations. Which doesnt exsist with an open dex. Thus its just plain trash.
Typing, ability, moves, aesthetic, can matter more to a trainer than using common meta-Pokémon.
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They are sleeves. I've seen it depicted in some, albeit bs, martial arts where long sleeves will be used as a defensive tool. It serves as a disjoint to slap away incoming strike, potentially wrap up their weapon/limb, blind them, stuff like that. Pretty cool in theory, but isn't really practical and wouldn't work in a real fight.
9:57 it’s just fur
I think this is why having different formats is so important. Because variety is nice, if everything was done the same. Eventually a perfect meta happens and the game becomes stale. Legendaries can really trivialize things sometimes as seen with the Primals. At the same time, He makes a pretty good point on the pros of their use too. Take away the legendaries and there still develops a couple pokemon that will rise to the top and be seen in the majority of teams, variety is nice.
honey wake up mocksey booster released another video gassing up wo chien! this is exactly the confirmation bias I needed
How did you actually cook so hard with Iron Valiant here with it taking 2nd
The whole world and math itself is sleeping on Wo Chien. I swear it.
The mienshow floppy arms are a fighter girls sleeves from Japan but actual Pokémon skin in place of it.
U have fake out, wide guard, and close combat on ur mienshao pick ur next move: detect, u-turn, ice spinner, feint, upper hand, coaching, taunt, quick guard, or rock tomb
Mienshou: the long floppy sleeves are a reference to a practice in wing chun that hides the hands and arms from the opponent and makes it hard to see how they're moving. The sleeves themselves can also become weapons if the fighter knows what he's doing.
The Japanese hakama worn by kendo masters does the same thing, but for the legs and feet, as shifts of the feet telegraph movements.
The thumbnails for these videos are absolute gold
Sick thumbnail. Kyonel is so shocked
2:18 there’s one other group of people who use shedinja terra electric air balloon, the people who have friends that like playing matches and spam legendaries and don’t actually know why anyone would ever use a status move when you could be doing damage
Clodsire can counter any physical attacker, bro can live any damn hit thrown at it by physical attackers, his only weakness a caly with psychic
Moxie Boosted, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
Meinshao's floppy things are sleeves. based on old martial artist outfits where the sleeves were large and wide to cover/hide the hands. confusing enemies because they cant tell where the hands are, what they are doing (a punch a chop etc) or if they are even holding knives and other tools like assissians.
I appreciate you pointing out the signature moves of various legendries.
12:09
Wo-Chien's Tablets of Copium
Directions: Take one tablet by mouth each Regulation
I once used a pledge team that beated a ubers team but not any team below it
To answer your question about what the sleeves on mienshou are, they're essentially flesh whips similar to how Sylveon uses them. But they also are a reference to a specific fighting style which uses whip like sleeves to fight from a mid range. Also a reference to Japanese jumping zombies
Mienshao mention! One of my absolute favorite mons; hearing that it has a niche in restricted formats makes me happy.
And being a bodyguard that specializes in defeating an angry/dirty (heel) Pro Wrestler is very fitting for an elegant traditional martial artist. Love to see if
Look I don’t play competitive pokemon but the feeling of legendaries being a necessity on teams is what pushes me away from it because I don’t want to be forced to use a certain class of pokemon
To put it simply I hate feeling like I have use Pokémon like landorus, ogrepon, urshifu, tornadus, etc. to be successful or at least not be at a severe disadvantage.
Thats just a higher power level. If a format where only 300 bst total mons were legal, it would still have the same overcentralizing aspect and a couple of mons seeming(and being generally) better than the rest
@@oscen335yes but to be fair. There hardly ever if not never any options where you can play in tours with those restrictions. And GameFreak seems to have had their foot on the gas to blast through anything not including massively op mons for the entirety of gen 9.
7:12 *Jarring* music homie O.O Kinda ‘nerve-raking’ 😉 8:16 😑👌 That’s the stuff, Good vibes, love your work. Pretty cool channel > no doubt 🤘
That weird background static effect that occurs every few seconds on the purple grid background gave me a headache. Good video other than that
Ok but hear me out; Shiftree could actually work. It gets Chlorophyll to run next to Groudon, has access to Fakeout, STAB knockoff for Calyrex, and Solar Blade for Kyogre. I'm not saying it'll be good, but it might actually be useful. It's also immune to Prankster and Spore if that ever comes up.
Shedinja also invites(/invited?) a ton of shenanigans via Mimic. It could learn Skill Swap from someone like Lopunny, then bestow Wonder Guard to, lets say, Arcanine, who would proceed to use Burn Up (which makes the user lose its fire typing), turn into a ??? type and be immune to every direct damage move (except stuff that ignores abilities or forces certain abilities like Simple Beam or Worry Seed).
Massive bonus points for its infinite potential to clown on noobs.
9:58 that's fur. I can't remember which dex entry it is, but one game tells us it can rip off that fur if it needs to.
The dangly bits on Mienshao are just tufts of long fur, meant to give it more reach with its fast strikes, like holding some heavy strips of cloth in each hand as whips. One of the pokedex entires mentions that when desperate itll gnaw all the fur off to get lighter, letting it move and attack faster
Happy to have found your channel! Love the content you do and hope you keep creating new ones! 😄
Always love seeing a moxie boosted video in my subscription feed
8:56 how exactly do you fake out a ghost type?
Me and my rain team with Feebas, focus sash, swift swim, dark tera (252speed 252 sp.atk) (icy wind, hypnosis, haze, protect) I love that dum feesh.
Some similar things happen in singles in the Ubers tier, like how Ribombee is a common Sticky Web lead in Ubers and is more common than a lot of legendary pokémon.
Why does everybody always gotta say Shedinja is bad, at least it has use unlike literally 2/3 of all Pokémon
the 'floppy things' on Mienshao could be seen as a strange thing, but if you look at certain martial arts weapons and styles they have some uses for long flowing sheets that can act as distractions. It's meant to distract or blind opponents so the real attack can't be defended. Feint is a perfect move for Mienshao as the 'long sleeves' can be how it would distract said opponent to go under the protect. (If we're going to use real world ways to explain an in-game move.)
You forgot the two classics
Rattata focus sash endeavor
Cottonnee prankster leech seed, toxic, substitute, protect focus sash
Not good in VGC
I'm pretty sure, design wise, the "fur whips" on Meinshaos arms are supposed to represent the Longer sleeves that you would see on, some, Chinese martial artists(used to confuse the opponent and make it harder to read their movements)
10:06 They're supposed to look like sleeves. Mienshao is supposed to resemble a practitioner of Chinese Kenpo. And often fictional characters who use Kenpo are depicted as having long sleeves. Take a look at the Street Fighter 4 character F.A.N.G. and you'll see the resemblance.
My favorite thing to do in competitive is to pick a niche unsuspecting Pokémon and use it to set up or sweep, I swear it always works, they never see it coming until it’s too late.
2:45 aside from most competitive Zacian players (at least that I've seen) having Crunch, it can also learn, Bite, Air Slash, and Snarl (though why anyone would use anything other than crunch would be beyond me)
And in Sword and Shield he even gets Assurance and Brutal Swing
11:16 To be fair, the reason why people use Iron Valiant in OU is because Flutter Mane is BANNED.
Flutter Mane feels illegal in VGC, just think how it feels in context where they can just one shot stuff and nothing happens in the opponent's side.
Love your videos man! Hope you get to half a million before the end of the year!
The tips of mienshaos arms that hang is its fur. It's based on stereotypical shaolin kung fu users who have long sleeves.
Those little nubs where Mienshao’s “arms” bend are actually its hands. Fur just grows that far down it’s wrists and it fights with the fur
The things on Meinshao are weird little sleeves for it's weird flesh clothes, idk what kind of Japanese clothes it is but there's a kind of clothes that is baggy/ has long sleeves and sometimes associated with martial arts masters especially in old Japanese movies
I once one shotted a Mega Mewtwo Y with a Smeargle.
Raichu is one of my favourites after I used it to (almost) win a draft league competition. During dynamax era. Used Raichu with salac berry an fling, and weakness policy metagross. won so many games on turn 1 lol
Same reason why Wolfe went on Showdown and told their enemy what his next move would be. They like the handicap.
I feel like I'm the only person who's favorite pokemon is Shedinja
9:52 in Pokémon sugma, there was a dex entry that says mienshao collects the foreskin of its victims and sows them onto its arms. So it’s just foreskin, no big deal
Another interesting thing about Wo-Chien is that it can actually nerf the physical restricteds damage output since they normally all currently run Clear amulet and can’t have their attack lowered.
Tyranitar was on three teams in top cut and made finals in 2010. No GS cup in 5th gen, however, might be note worthy it was a major component of both of Smogon's gens 4 & 5 ubers metas. It's decline is more likely from mechanic changes happening since gen 6.
I think the main reason why so many non comp players dislike legendaries is that most of the time that's all you ever see on winning lists, even if there are certain pokemon thrown in to counter certain legendaries.
Plus the fact that since we're on gen 9 and there's about 81 legendary pokemon, plus the constant power creep, we're tired of it.
As much as I love Lugia and Groundon, I'd get tired of seeing them every generation, plus it doesn't the fact GF had shiny locked all the returning legendaries in the DLC. -_-'
I mean, with that title, I expected part of the response to be "because it screws with the meta" -- that's why the Pachirisu is so infamous, because it was an off-meta pick that, as a result, had people being unsure how to react to a sassy squirrel with enough SpDef and HP to survive eating a Draco Meteor.
you can put 172 ev’s into speed nature valiant with wide guard and knock off to speed creep timid max speed CalyS on terrain, block astral with WG and guarantee 99 or a KO (unsashed) even if you go timid with the atk decrease. Albeit i only based this on the pikalytics spreads from sw/sh where allegedly 252/252 was the most common so that may change as of late
So for Mienshao, the arms that you were confused with is actually just fur. The point of it, according to lore, is that when in the heat of battle against a challenging opponent Mienshao will bite it off to become limber and lighter so to increase its dexterity and speed. The arm fur can also be used as a battle whip against opponents, possibly for longer reach to them.