I watched David Land response and all of Twitter after the decision. Definitely a lot heat, I looked at the points, it comes down how an 11th team can handle 2025 the old regulations to 2026 new regulation changes for the engines. The tracks to build additional garages for more teams would add $$$ which the current Concorde agreement would strain those tracks (legit but maybe they should have built more garage in case of scenario like this). Finally GM building and supply the engine to teams that was dagger there. I mean who knows what will happen next maybe it could go to court bc FIA approved but F1 did not thus maybe they could argue something of anti competitive laws. We’ll see
It's not really any of that. F1 has a sick team on the grid that needs to be gone (Haas) that has no hope of being competitive and they want that team gone. If they had 10 competitive teams and an 11th showed up with good backing, there'd be a different argument here. But when you've got a total disaster that you want gone, you don't let someone else waltz in. They want him to buy Haas. If he wants in, thats what he'll do.
I tried getting into F1. I’ve watched every race for the last 6 years. Honestly it doesn’t get better, the racing sucks, I would rather watch almost any other motorsport than F1. The cars are cool, that’s about it. I’m not going to continue wasting my time watching. I tried. I really did.
They can greenlight all these street circuits that fans have a mixed reception with. But can’t let a new team join the grid. A team that brings sponsors and money as well as a big name to the sport. Honestly having an actual American team on the grid would really bring more US fans since that’s what they’ve been trying so hard to do
They would love for Andretti to join the grid. They just want him to do so by buying Haas so they can get rid of a totally useless team that is utter garbage.
According to the owner of Haas,they’re still very profitable. That’s why he has no intention to sell the team, or pull out of F1, despite being exceptionally uncompetitive.
I don't really agree. Dale Jr means 10x more than Michael Andretti ever will and NASCAR isn't rolling out the red carpet to give him a charter either, because the owners don't want their investment devalued even for Jr. F1 has made it clear what Michael needs to do if he wants in: buy the decrepit Haas team so they can get that useless bottom feeder off the grid. They're not going to give him an alternate path when there's a deeply sick team that needs disposing of.
@MinisterManDan Michael means nothing outside of Indycar just like Jr means nothing outside of NASCAR be real man just because Jr is bigger than Michael doesn't mean other sports will give a damn
@@masoneveridge4078 I'm not sure you got me here. What I'm saying is Dale Jr being an owner would actually bring a lot of positives to NASCAR given he's the most popular or 2nd most popular driver ever and he has a whole media career that no other owner has, and yet NASCAR has done the same thing to Dale Jr that F1 is doing to Michael. NASCAR will be happy if Dale Jr pays the money in (that he does not want to pay) and F1 would be fine with Michael if he bought the Haas team (which apparently he doesn't want to do). If Dale Jr can't get preferential treatment to NASCAR where he actually adds value, why do people expect Michael to get that from F1 where his name is synonymous with embarrassment, arrogance and failure?
This makes me wonder if Andretti will look into joining NASCAR. Unlike F1, newer teams are able to compete immediately in NASCAR and Andretti is still a big name in the US.
I can’t see it. Charters in NASCAR are so valuable that I don’t see any way they join unless they make one hell of an offer. Then again, they did convince GM of all companies to assist their F1 entry, so it may be possible
How can they call Andretti not competitive!? Are Haas, VisaCashappRB or whatever they are called competitive!? Is any team outside of Red Bull Competitive!? What about when the new Chassis and Engine regs come in!? How do we know the existing teams won't crap the bed!? How do they know that Audi's new engine will be competitive!? This is BS!
F1 desperately wants to appeal to the American market (the possibility of 4 US races on the calendar says it all) yet they rejected one of the most recognizable names in American Motorsports history backed by one of the most notable American automotive companies
F1 doesn't want American participation, but they sure like American money. F1 needs to have 28 cars start every race -- that's how you add value and raise the competitive level from front to back. Logan Sargeant isn't an American driver in anything but the flag on his license -- he hasn't raced in America since he and his brother were wrecking people in legends cars.
"Andretti name carries some recognition... F1 would bring value to Andretti..." F1 is throwing so much disrespect at Mario Andretti for literally no reason. I mean it's not like he won a Driver's World Championship in F1 and his Formula E team hasn't won any championships recently so I get what F1 means, yeah... Also Darian, I want to point out that the FIA said yes, Formula One Management (the group that holds the media rights to the F1 brand) said no. It would be like if NASCAR told a new Cup Team they could compete but NBC and Fox got together and told them no
I should also say. The last two years for IMSA and the WEC have seen growth in OEMs and privateer/customer teams. Different regulations, but what's the sense in F1 not accepting Andretti?
Here is thr real reason. An American team with a real driver as an owner would rip redbull Mercedes and Ferrari a new one. This is a European game so as far as I'm concerned they are no longer welcome to race here, Screw f1
Wouldn't put Stake in there (cause they'll be the Audi works team in 2026), but completely agree about the other two. Haas is literally a team that's there for Gene to promote the Haas brand, with barely any proper budget and/or car development over the course of the season, and as much as I like that team Racing Bulls are literally a feeder team for Red Bull, which by itself should be (and is) a topic of discussion between fans and pundits (specially with Liberty Media wanting F1 to follow a franchise model similar to that of American major sports).
@@zoeloteroEven then, the FOM thinks they will be competitive, but that Andretti won't. How do they know Audi's engine won't be a GP2 engine and that team is last on the grid? The hypocrisy is insane.
At this point, F1 decision-making just disgusts me. This is coming from a European guy who followed this sport for 15 years. This! Hurts more than a hit in the bollocks!
Yeah he's not making sense Michael Andretti is a team owner for Indycar which runs tracks across the US just ignore him he's either ignorant or a troll
@@tylerdurden4006 hes talking about they are willing to make all the money from the American circuits (and fans) they want to put on, yet turn around and say Andretti brings NO VALUE to the sport. its HYPOCRISY!
Worth noting that the FIA have expressed support for Andretti and accepted their entry on a sporting ground. FOM is against it. The commercial rights holders. Aka money. Really symbolic of the disagreement between FIA and FOM currently and I would not be surprised if there was a complete split between the FIA and FOM in the next 10 years
Why not? It's their game. If they have the power or control to choose who enters and who doesn't, they have every right to deny the entry of a new team.
You know what, I'm reminded of that scene in the movie Cool Runnings when John Candy's character confronts the Olympic Committee after the heroes were disqualified from participating because... eerily similar reasons.
"The most significant way in which a new entrant would bring value is by being competitive." Anybody wants to hit up the next FOM meeting and let them know that the best way of seeing whether a team is competitive or not is by... letting the team prove themselves... on the track? I'll be in charge of reminding them that two of the spots on their grid are encumbered by a team that has zero recorded podiums in 166 Grand Prix starts with several different drivers, and is most likely about to add an extra 24 to that number.
The argument they cant accommodate more cars is nonsense. They all agreed at the last Concorde Agreement the FIA could expand the grid by three teams. So why do THAT and then turn around and say the tracks can't accommodate you when clearly many of these same tracks were on the schedule when the field was 24 cars. They just dont like the Andrettis
When they announced GM as a partner some teams started rubbing their hands believing that they could be the one sporting the Cadillac brand and PU. I really hope if Andretti give up trying that GM also goes away and leave them empty handed
4:26 I'm pretty sure that's not actually a legitimate reason, because all circuits must support the full 26 car grid in order to meet the grade 1 classification standard. They've also been dedicating trackside facilities towards more "recreational" uses rather than anything to do the teams and their cars.
Honestly, what bothers me is not just the fact that they denied the entry to Andretti Racing, it's the absolute lack of respect showed by F1 towards Mario and his team.
imagine the olympics denying usain bolt to participate "because he doesn't bring value to the olympics" also, back when haas wanted to join, they didn't say anything in the direction of "not competetive" and haas was even more unlikely to be competetive than Andretti and GM together ever could be
That's because when Haas joined the grid F1 hadn't still been bought by Liberty Media. The FIA backed Andretti but Liberty Media doesn't as the actual teams refuse to have a new team on the grid because the prize pool would have to be divided in 11 instead of 10 teams. As always, everything is due to money
This is a disgrace to not only the legacy of the Andretti family, but a disgrace to auto racing! The elitism, ego, and greed of F1 is so disgusting! Liberty Media has poisoned F1 in so many ways while FOM continues to be less pinnacle. What’s even worse is that F1 elitist “fans” defend this. I guess I’m watching less F1 races now like I watch less NASCAR. Ironic that it is both series that are less pinnacle of racing with toxic fans… Never forget the fact that they still have Haas and used to allow Marussia, Virgin, and Caterham in their sport
@@Noman1010-nh6uh endless amount of gimmicks, garbage rules, drivers killing each other and showing no respect on track, awful management for the past 2 decades with 2 different administrations, a lot of demolition derby “races”, horrible and toxic fanbase, and the sanctioning bodies not caring about what drivers want. Either you don’t know it or you’re just ignoring the endless amount of problems NASCAR has had over 2 decades and act like NASCAR can do no wrong. Both F1 and NASCAR are crappy in different ways. F1 and their greed and pleasing Drive To Survive fans, NASCAR still trying to be like stick and ball sports and WWE on wheels
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT the rules are ment to keep drivers safe and oh the drivers killing each other thing nah that's for the truck series it only really happens in the playoffs, and speaking of playoffs would u like some one go off and win 10 in a row every freaking time ? That's why nascar has parity and the playoffs buddy plus the cars are really safe if u don't know already.
@@Noman1010-nh6uh sigh, of course you’re one of those defensive kind of fans…. I’m not gonna waste my time going back and forth with someone like you because you’re one of those NASCAR fans that sucks on NASCAR act like everything so great, which it isn’t. If you have a problem with racing being an actual auto racing competition and thinks NASCAR being like WWE and ball sports is good, my condolences go out to you because clearly you don’t know how real auto racing works since you are so gullible for the manufactured gimmicks that aren’t really entertaining. I feel sorry for you.
I think FOM's actual fear is that Andretti's entry would open the floodgates for other IndyCar team owners like Roger Penske and Chip Ganassi to enter F1 and lead a coup against them, a coup that would ultimately lead to IndyCar purchasing F1 and creating a series combining the best technical regulations of F1 and IndyCar. This would, in my opinion, create an absolutely fantastic open-wheel series.
The FIA wants Andretti in F1. It's Liberty Media, F1 commercial rights holders, that don't want them. In reality, Andretti is a pawn in the power struggle between the FIA and Liberty Media. To be truthful, Gene Haas should sell his F1 team to Andretti. He has no plan to do anything with the team anyway.
This whole situation is 100% a case of F1 trying to get HAAS to leave, but Andretti doesn't want to be saddled with their mess. I don't think for a second this is about anything they're listing, it's just a litany of excuses to try and get around why the other teams are basically demanding HAAS get bought out or leave the grid. HAAS have become the Minardi of the grid in an era when F1 wants to pride itself on not having a Minardi.
I swear, no matter if it’s NASCAR or F1, I can't escape ridiculous decisions... This is why I'm starting to follow sports car racing, IMSA and WEC more and more.
F1 is going to realize soon the DTS bump is over. The fans they got from DTS have already decided whether to watch F1 or not, they are not generating new fans via DTS. American racing fans are not going to be energized by watching RB win every race and teams battling for 6th place. F1 has had 3 competitive championships in the past 5 years. A true american team let alone an Andretti American team would’ve given a real opportunity to develop legit F1 fans in America. The greed and corruption of F1 is absurd.
At least with Nascar, the exaisting teams just can't deny new teams from joining. I don't really care that much for Nascar leadership, but with the things F1 has done recently (2021 Abu Dhabi, and this), I think I would rather have them compared to F1's leadership.
Based off the way they word providing "value to the championship" they should remove about 6 or 7 teams from F1 since they only interfere with the championship and provide no value or prestige???... I am sure at the end of the day someone in F1 determined they weren't going to make enough millions off this to deem it worth the risk, sad reality of modern motorsports
Does the FIA not realize that 9/10 teams currently on the grid are not capable of winning Grand Prix’s???? There is only one team capable of winning!!!! “Competitive” 😂😂😂😂 ridiculous…
Three F1 races in the US (Maybe 4 with the Chicago deal), and doing everything else in their power to dominate the US market, but somehow an American F1 team doesn't bring anything to the table? What the hell are they smoking over there?
“If you want to come in you should buy a team. Look at the NFL, etc.” Yeah, that argument only works for like the NFL, NBA, and MLB given the expansion teams present in recent years across sports. F1 is so ignorant to its tanking interest it’s kinda sad when this sport becomes almost nothing to the US public in 10-15 years
Boy, I'm just gonna say this Formula 1. Just drop the ball with this one. They blew it and they blew it big time. I really hope Andretti can buy out haas 1 day. But what an absolute Crock of 💩
Yeah, and they Made a "shid" ton of money, It's their game, they choose who is in and who is not, they don't want andretti, ok, what's the problem with that?
They are just going to kick thIs down the road for a couple of years until they can rewrite the rule and add another 0 or two to the entry fees. Very short sighted IMO since Andretti brings more to the table then any of the back markers.
This is fascinating stuff…FOM did them dirty. There’s no way around that. I didn’t think there’d be this much backlash this soon. Everyone I know of in the F1 world on YT have voiced their displeasure. Is this not evidence enough Andretti has the might? The entire Motorsports world is talking about F1 now! A: this is our club, and B: we don’t want you in it. Since F1 is ignoring its’ fanbase now, a lot like NASCAR did, they’re on track to fall into the shitter before they even know it
So they think that Andretti won't competitive even tho they haven't done a single lap or testing yet. But Audi is being allowed even though we don't know if the power unit and the team would be competitive.
As an American who has watched since 2010 I’m about done LM has driven the show into the ground. DTS is pure “reality” TV the races are over priced and crowded with people who don’t give af about racing (the instagram pop ups had longer lines than the full motion simulators at Austin last year) and FOM does snobby shit like this. The LVGP barely got martinsville numbers and nascar is a non factor compared to the NFL. If you’re going to take over Sundays in America you’re gonna need a lot better on track product from last year, familiar names on the paddock, and a show that spends more time following interesting shit like R&D and drivers discussing on track stuff
What this shows is that the current teams in F1 are only interested in their own slice of the financial pie. As far as they're concerned, they're not interested in Andretti's history in Motorsport, the only concern they have is that the more teams there are, the smaller their slice of the pie is. The teams will hopefully be very surprised by the backlash from Motorsport fans around the world with this selfish decision
I agreed that Andretti brand has more value than Haas. But frankly speaking Andretti is not well known outside of North America. If not Haas has been a F1 team, no one outside of North America knows Haas either.
It's baffling. The FIA (which should be the only organism that matters in this) approved them, yet they get blocked essentially cause of the rest of the teams not wanting to distribute the money with another one (which is understandable from their POV, but it shouldn't be enough to deny them their entry, let alone those in charge of FOM to support them), thus denying the entry of a structure that's more than ready to enter Formula One literally next year. Question is, what now? Andretti will be in F1, I have zero doubts about it. They key is when; the teams and FOM wanna push their entry mainly cause of the entrance fee, which right now is set at 200 Million dollars, but the current Concorde Agreement (which is F1's equivalent to a CBA) expires at the end of next year, so them being able to push Andretti's debut to at least 2026 would allow them to increase that fee and thus get more cash from the FIA and Andretti. What can Michael do? Welp, three options 1- Either try 'till the end with the help of the FIA to be on the grid for next year 2- Wait for the nect Concorde Agreement, pay the new entrance fee (which will be at least 600 Million from what has been rumored) and get Cadillac to start working on a PU as soon as possible 3- The one that might be the key for them to enter in the short term, which is buying an existing team. With how well F1's doing financially right now, it would cost them at least as much as the post-2026 fee, possibly a billion or more, but you'd also get a team at the moment you purchase and an extra factory, assets, etc. that could help them get competitive even sooner than expected. Right now, the two main candidates for this would be Haas, Williams and Racing Bulls (FKA AlphaTauri, Toro Rosso and Minardi), even though I wouldn't totally rule out Alpine Either way if you're a fellow F1 fan and aee disappointed by this, keep hope. This is by no means the end of this thing. PS: Soymotor, Spain's main F1 site, made a great analysis four months ago about this whole thing. Considering what happened today was the main scenario they discussed, I totally recommend it if you know Spanish: ua-cam.com/video/zvmoCYNqI5Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
About option 2, I don't think GM can start working on an engine because I don't believe the 2026 regs are finalized yet. Plus, I have a feeling F1 will still find excuses to deny them. Also, something tells me the dillution fee will be around $800 million, which is insane. Why can't F1 themselves make the pie bigger? Surely they have the money to do that given F1's recent success.
Let’s just say what this actually is. F1 wants the American market but they don’t want a competitive American team. They don’t want an American team power by American power units winning European dominated sport.
As an F1 fan for over 20 years this decision along with the whole controversy surrounding 2005 US GP are the two biggest PR blunders F1 has had in the US. This was a wonderful opportunity to actually grow the sport long term in the US not just with street races in Miami & Vegas that will totally lose fan appeal after a few years & F1 blew it. Now F1 is at very real risk of being in the same position after the boom in popularity subsides they were in following the 2005 US GP where no one in the US racing community cared about the sport because of the politics involved. Andretti in my view should continue to remain in Indycar (they are needed as the series is totally lost without them) & pursue getting into NASCAR along with the NHRA & even MotoGP. I would love to see Andretti enter MotoGP as it would really grow that sport in the US which is something MotoGP hasn't had since the days of Nikki Hayden.
Wonder what the FIA will do now.. this was absolutely to no one's surprise.It's not competitiveness - it's just that the pool of money from the Concorde Agreement would be diminished with an 11th team. It's all money in short.
How about Andretti buying into a Cup team like Spire or Kaulig and then using the satellite facility in the UK as a base of operations for a UK based EuroNASCAR team?
They (F1 teams that exist now) don't want the total money that F1 gives to the team constructor is reduced due to there's the 11th team in the grid like Andretti.
I think there’s some behind the scenes nonsense going on, RB’s new engine supplier tends to dislike anything GM 👀👀 (as a Ford die-hard I am excruciatingly disappointed we won’t have an opportunity to beat them in yet another discipline)
So, all that goodwill and new fanbase is basically like, "fuck ya then, were going back to nascar and irl" As a brit i was astonished that they said, nah, you're name isnt big enough and we dont think you'll be competitive. Its because Ferrari and Mercedes get a slightly smaller cut of the pot, thats all it is.
Ik hendrick only runs cup. But like maybe one day good old mr h decides he wants to expand and try’s running other series Imsa super cars Indy car and f1. I mean that.
I think if glickenhaus didnt leave WEC, then andretti should have joined them and stayed for the 2024 or enter in 2025 along with aston martin. Then if they start winning there and gaining recognition itll be even bigger. Look at the recognition that the Hendrick Motorsports team got with their entry at le mans. Imagine Andretti enter with a modified indycar that can last 24h and they end up being fast as fuck in garage 56. Theyll just shit all over f1 and get the positive publicity they deserve
There’s being snobby. There’s smugness. There’s being stuck up your own ass. And then there’s this!
I watched David Land response and all of Twitter after the decision. Definitely a lot heat, I looked at the points, it comes down how an 11th team can handle 2025 the old regulations to 2026 new regulation changes for the engines. The tracks to build additional garages for more teams would add $$$ which the current Concorde agreement would strain those tracks (legit but maybe they should have built more garage in case of scenario like this). Finally GM building and supply the engine to teams that was dagger there. I mean who knows what will happen next maybe it could go to court bc FIA approved but F1 did not thus maybe they could argue something of anti competitive laws. We’ll see
It's not really any of that. F1 has a sick team on the grid that needs to be gone (Haas) that has no hope of being competitive and they want that team gone. If they had 10 competitive teams and an 11th showed up with good backing, there'd be a different argument here. But when you've got a total disaster that you want gone, you don't let someone else waltz in. They want him to buy Haas. If he wants in, thats what he'll do.
Frenchmen in a nutshell honestly.
Screw Stefano Domencali !
And then they wonder why Americans largely don't give a shit about Formula 1.
Exactly
They dont
Facts
I tried getting into F1. I’ve watched every race for the last 6 years. Honestly it doesn’t get better, the racing sucks, I would rather watch almost any other motorsport than F1. The cars are cool, that’s about it. I’m not going to continue wasting my time watching. I tried. I really did.
@@FeliPeltier yeah the cars and the engineering behind them are incredible but everything past that is just overhyped garbage
They can greenlight all these street circuits that fans have a mixed reception with. But can’t let a new team join the grid. A team that brings sponsors and money as well as a big name to the sport. Honestly having an actual American team on the grid would really bring more US fans since that’s what they’ve been trying so hard to do
Not to mention, 99% of the F1 fanbase wants Andretti to join as soon as possible.
@@zoelotero exactly bro. This is crazy
Unfortunately, I don't think they want American fans. They only want American $$$$$$$$
They would love for Andretti to join the grid. They just want him to do so by buying Haas so they can get rid of a totally useless team that is utter garbage.
Fans are low on the list of things F1 care about.
the fact that they said andretti wont add value to F1 meanwhile haas is on the brink of bankrupt is funny
Would be hilarious if Andretti/GM bought HAAS. 😂
According to the owner of Haas,they’re still very profitable. That’s why he has no intention to sell the team, or pull out of F1, despite being exceptionally uncompetitive.
Today's announcement was a clear example of F1 politics. The sport never ceases to be a clownshow
To call it a Clown Show is a Sad Compliment.
This is an Embarrasment of Luxury.
The Federation always deems what's Gonna be...
Ya money changed hands here.. or favors from other teams.
I don't really agree. Dale Jr means 10x more than Michael Andretti ever will and NASCAR isn't rolling out the red carpet to give him a charter either, because the owners don't want their investment devalued even for Jr.
F1 has made it clear what Michael needs to do if he wants in: buy the decrepit Haas team so they can get that useless bottom feeder off the grid. They're not going to give him an alternate path when there's a deeply sick team that needs disposing of.
@MinisterManDan Michael means nothing outside of Indycar just like Jr means nothing outside of NASCAR be real man just because Jr is bigger than Michael doesn't mean other sports will give a damn
@@masoneveridge4078 I'm not sure you got me here. What I'm saying is Dale Jr being an owner would actually bring a lot of positives to NASCAR given he's the most popular or 2nd most popular driver ever and he has a whole media career that no other owner has, and yet NASCAR has done the same thing to Dale Jr that F1 is doing to Michael. NASCAR will be happy if Dale Jr pays the money in (that he does not want to pay) and F1 would be fine with Michael if he bought the Haas team (which apparently he doesn't want to do).
If Dale Jr can't get preferential treatment to NASCAR where he actually adds value, why do people expect Michael to get that from F1 where his name is synonymous with embarrassment, arrogance and failure?
This makes me wonder if Andretti will look into joining NASCAR. Unlike F1, newer teams are able to compete immediately in NASCAR and Andretti is still a big name in the US.
Andretti might buy into Spire, they have sponsor connections and Marco Andretti raced for a Spire truck
I can’t see it. Charters in NASCAR are so valuable that I don’t see any way they join unless they make one hell of an offer.
Then again, they did convince GM of all companies to assist their F1 entry, so it may be possible
They're gonna join IRoc
@@JayDee185there is Truck and Xfinity … not just cup .
At this point, they might as well considering F1 just decided to shit all over the motorsport community
This was a great oppourtunity for F1 to further expand into America & create more storylines/fans/revenue/etc., and they absolutely blew it.
Meanwhile, another stupid track with cheesy antics is in the forge, with Chicago.
It's so weird right? It would add tons of new fans == money. Do they not like money?!
@@sirsancti5504 & they would kick out NASCAR in the process
How can they call Andretti not competitive!?
Are Haas, VisaCashappRB or whatever they are called competitive!?
Is any team outside of Red Bull Competitive!?
What about when the new Chassis and Engine regs come in!? How do we know the existing teams won't crap the bed!?
How do they know that Audi's new engine will be competitive!?
This is BS!
F1 desperately wants to appeal to the American market (the possibility of 4 US races on the calendar says it all) yet they rejected one of the most recognizable names in American Motorsports history backed by one of the most notable American automotive companies
Honestly this just tells me that F1 doesn't care about its history at all, compared to other motorsports at least
F1 doesn't want American participation, but they sure like American money. F1 needs to have 28 cars start every race -- that's how you add value and raise the competitive level from front to back.
Logan Sargeant isn't an American driver in anything but the flag on his license -- he hasn't raced in America since he and his brother were wrecking people in legends cars.
They would also need to reformat the points paying system if they had 28 cars. Minor issue, but factual nonetheless
@@TheFredster32no they wouldn’t NEED to. Probably should yes. Needed? No
Liberty Media (owner of F1) is unitedstater.
Let that sink.
@@icey2203 Yes it is. 28 and only 10 get points? Yeah, no, that does not work, sorry to say.
@icey2203 yes they would
I used to wake up early in the morning to watch a Formula 1 race well those days are over. The hell with Formula 1.
F1 vs Andretti in a nutshell is literally the entire wallet debate between Patrick and Man Ray
Funny part is Andretti made a statement that basically said f-ck off we’re doing it anyway
"Andretti name carries some recognition... F1 would bring value to Andretti..." F1 is throwing so much disrespect at Mario Andretti for literally no reason. I mean it's not like he won a Driver's World Championship in F1 and his Formula E team hasn't won any championships recently so I get what F1 means, yeah...
Also Darian, I want to point out that the FIA said yes, Formula One Management (the group that holds the media rights to the F1 brand) said no. It would be like if NASCAR told a new Cup Team they could compete but NBC and Fox got together and told them no
In that case, the FIA needs to step in and tell the other teams to shut up.
I should also say. The last two years for IMSA and the WEC have seen growth in OEMs and privateer/customer teams. Different regulations, but what's the sense in F1 not accepting Andretti?
I really hope Andretti comes to NASCAR maybe fielding the 27 or 28 Chevrolet camaro or both get some indy car and lower series driver's in the cars
Yup.. Haas with "no money, let's save!", "Racing Bills" and "Barbecue Team" add soooooo much value.
As Kurt Busch once said: J-O-K-E.
Here is thr real reason. An American team with a real driver as an owner would rip redbull Mercedes and Ferrari a new one. This is a European game so as far as I'm concerned they are no longer welcome to race here, Screw f1
So HAAS, Visa RB and Stake F1, teams that are Rock Bottom of F1 are still accepted, yet andretti not because they wouldn't be competitive?
I'm done😑
easy to deny a new team than it is to remove an existing one
Wouldn't put Stake in there (cause they'll be the Audi works team in 2026), but completely agree about the other two. Haas is literally a team that's there for Gene to promote the Haas brand, with barely any proper budget and/or car development over the course of the season, and as much as I like that team Racing Bulls are literally a feeder team for Red Bull, which by itself should be (and is) a topic of discussion between fans and pundits (specially with Liberty Media wanting F1 to follow a franchise model similar to that of American major sports).
Never mind that one of those teams started out as Minardi, a team that would've had no chance at joining the grid by today's standards.
@@zoeloteroEven then, the FOM thinks they will be competitive, but that Andretti won't. How do they know Audi's engine won't be a GP2 engine and that team is last on the grid? The hypocrisy is insane.
@@zoeloteroyou don’t know for sure Audi is going to be instantly competitive unless you are psychic
At this point, F1 decision-making just disgusts me. This is coming from a European guy who followed this sport for 15 years. This! Hurts more than a hit in the bollocks!
correction at 6:30 F1 deemed them uncompetitive not FIA
What a joke… F1 only wants money from America and that is very greedy
What? If they wanted american money they would allow them to join...wtf are even talking about?
@@tylerdurden4006he's not making any sense.
Yeah he's not making sense Michael Andretti is a team owner for Indycar which runs tracks across the US just ignore him he's either ignorant or a troll
@@tylerdurden4006 hes talking about they are willing to make all the money from the American circuits (and fans) they want to put on, yet turn around and say Andretti brings NO VALUE to the sport. its HYPOCRISY!
@crazysoundman so I guess you have zero clue on all the fees and payments the teams needs to make? Okay 👍
Worth noting that the FIA have expressed support for Andretti and accepted their entry on a sporting ground.
FOM is against it. The commercial rights holders. Aka money. Really symbolic of the disagreement between FIA and FOM currently and I would not be surprised if there was a complete split between the FIA and FOM in the next 10 years
So, like the Indycar and CART split?
Another reason why I am so glad I don't watch F1 anymore!!!
A huge slap in the face and completely disrespectful to the Andretti name in Motorsports
WHAT THE FUCK,THIS IS NOT FAIR
Ikr, fucking bs
Fia act assholes
Why not? It's their game. If they have the power or control to choose who enters and who doesn't, they have every right to deny the entry of a new team.
You know what, I'm reminded of that scene in the movie Cool Runnings when John Candy's character confronts the Olympic Committee after the heroes were disqualified from participating because... eerily similar reasons.
"The most significant way in which a new entrant would bring value is by being competitive."
Anybody wants to hit up the next FOM meeting and let them know that the best way of seeing whether a team is competitive or not is by... letting the team prove themselves... on the track?
I'll be in charge of reminding them that two of the spots on their grid are encumbered by a team that has zero recorded podiums in 166 Grand Prix starts with several different drivers, and is most likely about to add an extra 24 to that number.
I officially declare Nascar as my new main autosport
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NASCAR might be the only sports governing body even more corrupt than FIA/FOM and Fisa
NASCAR's got a lot of problems, too.
@@Trainlover1995maybe
But they don't do stuff on this level
It would be mighty embarrassing for F1 if Andretti were to turn around and go to Le Mans with Cadillac. Mighty embarrassing indeed.
The argument they cant accommodate more cars is nonsense. They all agreed at the last Concorde Agreement the FIA could expand the grid by three teams. So why do THAT and then turn around and say the tracks can't accommodate you when clearly many of these same tracks were on the schedule when the field was 24 cars.
They just dont like the Andrettis
I cannot beleive they think that bringing an entirely new team would not get any attention. They are either idiots or elitist.
When they announced GM as a partner some teams started rubbing their hands believing that they could be the one sporting the Cadillac brand and PU. I really hope if Andretti give up trying that GM also goes away and leave them empty handed
That'd be a funny case of karma lol. Hope that happens.
4:26 I'm pretty sure that's not actually a legitimate reason, because all circuits must support the full 26 car grid in order to meet the grade 1 classification standard. They've also been dedicating trackside facilities towards more "recreational" uses rather than anything to do the teams and their cars.
You know it's serious when UA-camrs from other motorsports talk about your motorsport.
I've been watching F1 since the mid 90s and I've had nothing but a love/hate relationship with the sport.
Honestly, what bothers me is not just the fact that they denied the entry to Andretti Racing, it's the absolute lack of respect showed by F1 towards Mario and his team.
imagine the olympics denying usain bolt to participate "because he doesn't bring value to the olympics"
also, back when haas wanted to join, they didn't say anything in the direction of "not competetive" and haas was even more unlikely to be competetive than Andretti and GM together ever could be
Andretti and GM have as much chance of being competitive as Hass does. Michael is a joke in F1, only famous in America.
@@briankearn6991 Ya the hipocrisy here is insane
That's because when Haas joined the grid F1 hadn't still been bought by Liberty Media. The FIA backed Andretti but Liberty Media doesn't as the actual teams refuse to have a new team on the grid because the prize pool would have to be divided in 11 instead of 10 teams. As always, everything is due to money
@@sagastim
Liberty also needs to believe Andretti can increase their fan base. Cadillac isn’t know for motorsports so they have legitimate doubts.
@@briankearn6991Jordan?
need a chant we want andretti at every race
This is a disgrace to not only the legacy of the Andretti family, but a disgrace to auto racing!
The elitism, ego, and greed of F1 is so disgusting!
Liberty Media has poisoned F1 in so many ways while FOM continues to be less pinnacle.
What’s even worse is that F1 elitist “fans” defend this.
I guess I’m watching less F1 races now like I watch less NASCAR. Ironic that it is both series that are less pinnacle of racing with toxic fans…
Never forget the fact that they still have Haas and used to allow Marussia, Virgin, and Caterham in their sport
Nothing is wrong with nascar buddy
@@Noman1010-nh6uh endless amount of gimmicks, garbage rules, drivers killing each other and showing no respect on track, awful management for the past 2 decades with 2 different administrations, a lot of demolition derby “races”, horrible and toxic fanbase, and the sanctioning bodies not caring about what drivers want.
Either you don’t know it or you’re just ignoring the endless amount of problems NASCAR has had over 2 decades and act like NASCAR can do no wrong.
Both F1 and NASCAR are crappy in different ways.
F1 and their greed and pleasing Drive To Survive fans, NASCAR still trying to be like stick and ball sports and WWE on wheels
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT the rules are ment to keep drivers safe and oh the drivers killing each other thing nah that's for the truck series it only really happens in the playoffs, and speaking of playoffs would u like some one go off and win 10 in a row every freaking time ? That's why nascar has parity and the playoffs buddy plus the cars are really safe if u don't know already.
FOM sucks and they take down F1 content.
@@Noman1010-nh6uh sigh, of course you’re one of those defensive kind of fans….
I’m not gonna waste my time going back and forth with someone like you because you’re one of those NASCAR fans that sucks on NASCAR act like everything so great, which it isn’t.
If you have a problem with racing being an actual auto racing competition and thinks NASCAR being like WWE and ball sports is good, my condolences go out to you because clearly you don’t know how real auto racing works since you are so gullible for the manufactured gimmicks that aren’t really entertaining. I feel sorry for you.
I think FOM's actual fear is that Andretti's entry would open the floodgates for other IndyCar team owners like Roger Penske and Chip Ganassi to enter F1 and lead a coup against them, a coup that would ultimately lead to IndyCar purchasing F1 and creating a series combining the best technical regulations of F1 and IndyCar. This would, in my opinion, create an absolutely fantastic open-wheel series.
we can dream on the last one
The FIA wants Andretti in F1. It's Liberty Media, F1 commercial rights holders, that don't want them. In reality, Andretti is a pawn in the power struggle between the FIA and Liberty Media.
To be truthful, Gene Haas should sell his F1 team to Andretti. He has no plan to do anything with the team anyway.
This whole situation is 100% a case of F1 trying to get HAAS to leave, but Andretti doesn't want to be saddled with their mess. I don't think for a second this is about anything they're listing, it's just a litany of excuses to try and get around why the other teams are basically demanding HAAS get bought out or leave the grid. HAAS have become the Minardi of the grid in an era when F1 wants to pride itself on not having a Minardi.
and shit like this is why i do not care for F1 and never will unless they change their ways, which will probably never happen
I swear, no matter if it’s NASCAR or F1, I can't escape ridiculous decisions...
This is why I'm starting to follow sports car racing, IMSA and WEC more and more.
You should probably also look into MotoGP as well, they seem to be on the rise after reaping the rewards of touring India.
IMSA is technically nascar
At least NASCAR would welcome them with open arms
If you ask me, F1 has really tarnished their own legacy Especially towards their American Fan Base with this s#!t
F1 is going to realize soon the DTS bump is over. The fans they got from DTS have already decided whether to watch F1 or not, they are not generating new fans via DTS. American racing fans are not going to be energized by watching RB win every race and teams battling for 6th place. F1 has had 3 competitive championships in the past 5 years. A true american team let alone an Andretti American team would’ve given a real opportunity to develop legit F1 fans in America. The greed and corruption of F1 is absurd.
Meanwhile, NASCAR just put out its own DTS-style series on Netflix, and it's been very well-received so far.
One thing F1 has in common with NASCAR is they both have sanctioning body that are hated by their respective fanbases
At least with Nascar, the exaisting teams just can't deny new teams from joining.
I don't really care that much for Nascar leadership, but with the things F1 has done recently (2021 Abu Dhabi, and this), I think I would rather have them compared to F1's leadership.
Reason: *MONEY* , because of *STREET* circuits
Based off the way they word providing "value to the championship" they should remove about 6 or 7 teams from F1 since they only interfere with the championship and provide no value or prestige???... I am sure at the end of the day someone in F1 determined they weren't going to make enough millions off this to deem it worth the risk, sad reality of modern motorsports
Does the FIA not realize that 9/10 teams currently on the grid are not capable of winning Grand Prix’s????
There is only one team capable of winning!!!!
“Competitive” 😂😂😂😂 ridiculous…
FOM, not FIA
To be fair the FIA has been supportive and wants Andretti in F1. They can’t help the teams all coming together to deny them. It’s pathetic
The FIA said yes but F1 themselves said no
That’s what I meant. My bad 😂
Three F1 races in the US (Maybe 4 with the Chicago deal), and doing everything else in their power to dominate the US market, but somehow an American F1 team doesn't bring anything to the table? What the hell are they smoking over there?
Probably snorting crack. Especially when their HQ is in a town called Biggan Hill, that's roughly not too far away from London.
“If you want to come in you should buy a team. Look at the NFL, etc.”
Yeah, that argument only works for like the NFL, NBA, and MLB given the expansion teams present in recent years across sports. F1 is so ignorant to its tanking interest it’s kinda sad when this sport becomes almost nothing to the US public in 10-15 years
Boy, I'm just gonna say this Formula 1. Just drop the ball with this one. They blew it and they blew it big time. I really hope Andretti can buy out haas 1 day. But what an absolute Crock of 💩
They sure as hell like those 3 U.S. races though don't they.
running out of oil funded despots to pay the rights fees.
Yeah, and they Made a "shid" ton of money, It's their game, they choose who is in and who is not, they don't want andretti, ok, what's the problem with that?
@@victorfortunato ......It hypocritical as fukk. "We need the American market..."
Also F1...."Fuck the biggest name in American motorsport."
Mario is a F1 champion this is wild
Again this is FOM not the FIA releasing the report. They were completely approved by the FIA to compete.
They are just going to kick thIs down the road for a couple of years until they can rewrite the rule and add another 0 or two to the entry fees. Very short sighted IMO since Andretti brings more to the table then any of the back markers.
Ah but Marussia, HRT and Haas brought so much to the sport compared to the mere Andrettis?
I'm getting so sick of F1's shit, man
Unbelievable...
Lawrence Stroll: Like hockey, buy a team!
**LAUGHS in Seattle Kraken and Las Vegas Golden Knights**
Don't worry, lots of us in Europe don't understand it either. We know the name carries value and history and lots of us are pretty mad about it.
This is fascinating stuff…FOM did them dirty. There’s no way around that. I didn’t think there’d be this much backlash this soon. Everyone I know of in the F1 world on YT have voiced their displeasure.
Is this not evidence enough Andretti has the might? The entire Motorsports world is talking about F1 now! A: this is our club, and B: we don’t want you in it. Since F1 is ignoring its’ fanbase now, a lot like NASCAR did, they’re on track to fall into the shitter before they even know it
So they think that Andretti won't competitive even tho they haven't done a single lap or testing yet. But Audi is being allowed even though we don't know if the power unit and the team would be competitive.
I straight up canceled my f1 tv sub after hearing this news this morning and made sure to site why
As an American who has watched since 2010 I’m about done LM has driven the show into the ground. DTS is pure “reality” TV the races are over priced and crowded with people who don’t give af about racing (the instagram pop ups had longer lines than the full motion simulators at Austin last year) and FOM does snobby shit like this. The LVGP barely got martinsville numbers and nascar is a non factor compared to the NFL. If you’re going to take over Sundays in America you’re gonna need a lot better on track product from last year, familiar names on the paddock, and a show that spends more time following interesting shit like R&D and drivers discussing on track stuff
What this shows is that the current teams in F1 are only interested in their own slice of the financial pie. As far as they're concerned, they're not interested in Andretti's history in Motorsport, the only concern they have is that the more teams there are, the smaller their slice of the pie is. The teams will hopefully be very surprised by the backlash from Motorsport fans around the world with this selfish decision
I agreed that Andretti brand has more value than Haas. But frankly speaking Andretti is not well known outside of North America. If not Haas has been a F1 team, no one outside of North America knows Haas either.
Teams rejected Andretti. They don't want to "pay" for an extra team.
But that makes no sense. Having a US team would increase TV income massively. Are they really this dumb?
@@rickyspanish4792 yes they are
It's baffling. The FIA (which should be the only organism that matters in this) approved them, yet they get blocked essentially cause of the rest of the teams not wanting to distribute the money with another one (which is understandable from their POV, but it shouldn't be enough to deny them their entry, let alone those in charge of FOM to support them), thus denying the entry of a structure that's more than ready to enter Formula One literally next year.
Question is, what now? Andretti will be in F1, I have zero doubts about it. They key is when; the teams and FOM wanna push their entry mainly cause of the entrance fee, which right now is set at 200 Million dollars, but the current Concorde Agreement (which is F1's equivalent to a CBA) expires at the end of next year, so them being able to push Andretti's debut to at least 2026 would allow them to increase that fee and thus get more cash from the FIA and Andretti. What can Michael do? Welp, three options
1- Either try 'till the end with the help of the FIA to be on the grid for next year
2- Wait for the nect Concorde Agreement, pay the new entrance fee (which will be at least 600 Million from what has been rumored) and get Cadillac to start working on a PU as soon as possible
3- The one that might be the key for them to enter in the short term, which is buying an existing team. With how well F1's doing financially right now, it would cost them at least as much as the post-2026 fee, possibly a billion or more, but you'd also get a team at the moment you purchase and an extra factory, assets, etc. that could help them get competitive even sooner than expected. Right now, the two main candidates for this would be Haas, Williams and Racing Bulls (FKA AlphaTauri, Toro Rosso and Minardi), even though I wouldn't totally rule out Alpine
Either way if you're a fellow F1 fan and aee disappointed by this, keep hope. This is by no means the end of this thing.
PS: Soymotor, Spain's main F1 site, made a great analysis four months ago about this whole thing. Considering what happened today was the main scenario they discussed, I totally recommend it if you know Spanish: ua-cam.com/video/zvmoCYNqI5Q/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
About option 2, I don't think GM can start working on an engine because I don't believe the 2026 regs are finalized yet. Plus, I have a feeling F1 will still find excuses to deny them.
Also, something tells me the dillution fee will be around $800 million, which is insane. Why can't F1 themselves make the pie bigger? Surely they have the money to do that given F1's recent success.
Thanks for the insights!
6:31 I’m pretty sure the FIA gave them the okay, it was F1 who said they wouldn’t be competitive.
You think a company called liberty media would let an new team in the championship.
Let’s just say what this actually is. F1 wants the American market but they don’t want a competitive American team. They don’t want an American team power by American power units winning European dominated sport.
As an F1 fan for over 20 years this decision along with the whole controversy surrounding 2005 US GP are the two biggest PR blunders F1 has had in the US. This was a wonderful opportunity to actually grow the sport long term in the US not just with street races in Miami & Vegas that will totally lose fan appeal after a few years & F1 blew it. Now F1 is at very real risk of being in the same position after the boom in popularity subsides they were in following the 2005 US GP where no one in the US racing community cared about the sport because of the politics involved. Andretti in my view should continue to remain in Indycar (they are needed as the series is totally lost without them) & pursue getting into NASCAR along with the NHRA & even MotoGP. I would love to see Andretti enter MotoGP as it would really grow that sport in the US which is something MotoGP hasn't had since the days of Nikki Hayden.
Correction. F1 themselves, not FIA. FIA approved them on a technical front
Wonder what the FIA will do now.. this was absolutely to no one's surprise.It's not competitiveness - it's just that the pool of money from the Concorde Agreement would be diminished with an 11th team. It's all money in short.
probalay wait till another 2006 indy moment happens
Fia? Absolutly nothing, the f1 it's money maker machine
How about Andretti buying into a Cup team like Spire or Kaulig and then using the satellite facility in the UK as a base of operations for a UK based EuroNASCAR team?
They (F1 teams that exist now) don't want the total money that F1 gives to the team constructor is reduced due to there's the 11th team in the grid like Andretti.
Lmao, because apparently haas, williams and alfa romeo bring SUCH value and importance to the F1 grid
Williams does though as they're a legacy team.
I think there’s some behind the scenes nonsense going on, RB’s new engine supplier tends to dislike anything GM 👀👀 (as a Ford die-hard I am excruciatingly disappointed we won’t have an opportunity to beat them in yet another discipline)
So, all that goodwill and new fanbase is basically like, "fuck ya then, were going back to nascar and irl"
As a brit i was astonished that they said, nah, you're name isnt big enough and we dont think you'll be competitive.
Its because Ferrari and Mercedes get a slightly smaller cut of the pot, thats all it is.
I really do hate f1 now smh
Wonder what their reaction would be if Hendrick Motorsports or Team Penske wanted to join
Ik hendrick only runs cup. But like maybe one day good old mr h decides he wants to expand and try’s running other series Imsa super cars Indy car and f1. I mean that.
It would likely be the same response from Formula 1, possibly in an even more callous fashion.
The same reaction and
response
They'd both get hostilities. Team Penske, id think it's going to be just as bad as Andretti. Hendricks, maybe not as much.
This is y F1 is stupid. Same guy and team wins every week. It's so fucking STUPID
Only race I'll plan on watching this year is Monaco. Screw the rest of them.
The thing is it was accepted by FIA (and MBS) but rejected by FOM (Stefano)
He was building this huge shop in Indy what’s going to happen with that now, what a joke
Today F1 told Americans that 3 races is more than enough for them
All the casuals will still buy tickets.
It would be nice if their next races in the USA had poor attendance.
I hate FOM so much its unreal
I am seriously considering boycotting F1. F1 wants American money but they don't want American teams I'm fed up with their elitist bullshit.
that's it I'm boycotting F1. I encourage anyone and everyone to join me
Bye, then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I think if glickenhaus didnt leave WEC, then andretti should have joined them and stayed for the 2024 or enter in 2025 along with aston martin. Then if they start winning there and gaining recognition itll be even bigger. Look at the recognition that the Hendrick Motorsports team got with their entry at le mans. Imagine Andretti enter with a modified indycar that can last 24h and they end up being fast as fuck in garage 56. Theyll just shit all over f1 and get the positive publicity they deserve
Damn did David Land write the script.?.?.? lol
Just reinforces why I don’t like or care to watch F1.
S1apSh0es might as well make a sequel to his dam of legitimacy video covering this, because early 2024 is seeing crack after crack in F1's dam.
F1 politicking at its purest form,Andretti for sure will make a statement soon to make F1 regret their move.
so does haas bring any value then being last every year?
Not really, which is why FOM are hoping Andretti will buy Haas. That way, Haas is gone, and Andretti get their entry...
I love F1, but my God this announcement makes it difficult to support them. At this point Andretti should consider buying out HAAS.
Then there is Gene Haas who let them buy! 🤬