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  • @chancegamesone
    @chancegamesone 2 роки тому +2483

    One of the absolute biggest advantages for F1 cars that gets overlooked a lot is not necessarily how fast they go, but how fast they stop. Braking on F1 cars is absolute insanity, they can do much better lap times on many tracks simply because they can brake much later before turns while maintaining control than most other race cars, and then get back up to pace fast.

    • @realkrubertimes8367
      @realkrubertimes8367 2 роки тому +138

      Yeah, they can pick the 50m board as braking point from 300+ to 100kph or less and make the corner perfectly which is absolute insanity if you compare it to pretty much every other racing car

    • @HercahyoAdiSaputro
      @HercahyoAdiSaputro 2 роки тому +105

      Agree. On Mugello, MOTOGP is faster than F1 on straight, but is overlapped by F1 on their third lap.

    • @triplemoyagames4195
      @triplemoyagames4195 2 роки тому +51

      @@HercahyoAdiSaputro MotoGP is the fastest in top speed across motorsport. However F1 gets the fastest over a lap

    • @Midnightclub1992
      @Midnightclub1992 2 роки тому +59

      Modern F1 cars are pulling up to 7G under heavy braking, absolute insanity. Cornering at a peak of about 5.5G

    • @sinra9379
      @sinra9379 2 роки тому +12

      F1 cars are fastest all around especially cornering.

  • @raymondwelsh6028
    @raymondwelsh6028 2 роки тому +643

    Some 10 year’s ago it was pointed out that Montreal was the only track that Indy cars and Formula 1 cars both race on. The slowest F1 car was 12 seconds faster than the Indy car to do a lap.🇦🇺

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому +17

      You mean 16 years ago? Last race was 2006.

    • @computeraddic675
      @computeraddic675 2 роки тому +34

      @@fsobsessive7602 Doesnt matter!It might a even bigger difference..

    • @AngryPostmanStockholm
      @AngryPostmanStockholm 2 роки тому +6

      wow, but last time i heard a Indycar (no coer in my country (Swe) they sound so much rawer than the techwanked F1

    • @hejamodo
      @hejamodo 2 роки тому +39

      They both race at COTA, and the pole times in 2019 were 1.32:029 (F1) and 1.46:0177 (Indycar). Almost 14 seconds.

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому +2

      @@computeraddic675 you are completely right, just a bit OCD, sorry.

  • @CYMotorsport
    @CYMotorsport 2 роки тому +408

    Downforce, not speed. Then you’ll get a true appreciation for the power of the car

    • @willjackson6522
      @willjackson6522 2 роки тому +44

      Yh. NASCARS are bricks with engines. They couldn’t spell “aerodynamics” if it was written in front of them 😂

    • @Fxyoprobably3
      @Fxyoprobably3 2 роки тому +1

      @@willjackson6522 😂😂🤣

    • @thehell88
      @thehell88 Рік тому +2

      @@willjackson6522 Aero whattt xD

  • @psibug565
    @psibug565 2 роки тому +805

    The scary thing with Formula 1 is that a lot of regulation have been about limiting speed and making it more competitive. If the makers of F1 cars where allowed to build an unrestricted race car it would probably be a lot faster. Unfortunately we would also have a lot more dead drivers and we would probably be watching Mercedes race against them selves.

    • @krueckstock2199
      @krueckstock2199 2 роки тому +95

      They could literally build cars that are not driveable anymore. You have to factor in that the tires from Pirelli are not even close to being as grippy as possible. They are exactly how F1 wants them to be. They could make much much faster tires. Same goes for the cars with unrestricted aero and power.
      All that combined would lead to g forces that would make you pass out/require inhumane reaction times

    • @sinra9379
      @sinra9379 2 роки тому +23

      Nah its more about safety then it's about being competitive, the 2020 cars were insane to where it was becoming too unsafe

    • @Myrvold
      @Myrvold 2 роки тому +20

      The same goes for all of the classes though. We've seen what Porsche did with the 919. IndyCar was quicker at Indianapolis over 25 years ago. CART had an avg. speed of 380 km/h when they cancelled the race in Texas in 2001 due to too high G-Forces due to the speed in the corners. NASCAR have loads of restrictions, MotoGP as well and so on.
      The difference is basically where they set the limit and the cost they are aiming for.

    • @random27
      @random27 2 роки тому +22

      Top speed of a modified BAR is 413kph. Don't forget, that's in the V10 era. Same as that, at Le Mans, Peugeot did 400+ on the Hunaudieres before they put in a chicane. That was 34 years ago

    • @Jorgerally35
      @Jorgerally35 2 роки тому +7

      Well, but that applies to any car. Back in 1990 Le Mans cars were reaching 400KPH, if regulations werent applied.... just imagine...

  • @SenseiKreese
    @SenseiKreese 2 роки тому +1210

    At the Circuit of the Americas, it would take an F1 car just 7 laps to start lapping an Indy car. Indy car racing is great, but in terms of car speed on a track, they are blown away by F1. The power, tech and aero - especially aero creating downforce - it's just not as advanced, and in some ways that's good, because it's more about the driver and car setup than it is about car technology. It's a different style and they're both good and entertaining, but in terms of pace, F1 is way faster than Indy.
    If you look at the track records of any circuit - if an F1 car has been there, an F1 car holds the record.

    • @enzohumeau8864
      @enzohumeau8864 2 роки тому +75

      Porshe 919 evo liked this

    • @ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj
      @ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj 2 роки тому +53

      True but in oval track I think the Indy car would win due to lower drag and higher top speed.

    • @vaudevillian7
      @vaudevillian7 2 роки тому +14

      @@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj it would

    • @liveandletdie138
      @liveandletdie138 2 роки тому +107

      @@enzohumeau8864 The 919 evo is crazy but its record didn't stand after the f1 cars came back the same year.

    • @Daz555Daz
      @Daz555Daz 2 роки тому +110

      @@enzohumeau8864Hamilton broke the 919 Evo lap record the very next season in a stock F1 car. Imagine how fast a Merc W12 "Evo" would be able to lap Spa.

  • @gary2kr1
    @gary2kr1 2 роки тому +236

    Circuit of the America's lap times....
    F1 1:32
    Indycar 1:48
    MotoGp 2:03
    NASCAR 2:12

    • @richardbaratta7268
      @richardbaratta7268 2 роки тому +14

      This was exactly what I wanted to do.. so thanks!
      a few more Data points
      2017 Porsche 919 - 1:47
      I also saw some Australian Supercar qualifying times, but they were too close to the F1 times, and hence I have a hard time believing them, so I will not post them.

    • @RickRobinsonDonnellan
      @RickRobinsonDonnellan 2 роки тому +13

      @@richardbaratta7268 Yes the Supercars used the shorter 'National' circuit hence the disparity in timings.

    • @Ellemerob
      @Ellemerob Рік тому +1

      @@RickRobinsonDonnellan Thanks for the explanation

    • @barath4545
      @barath4545 Рік тому +3

      The 1:36 F1 time from 2019 is in race mode.
      The qualifying record is 1:32.029 from Bottas in 2019, so they are WAY faster in general (as 4 seconds is an eternity).

    • @gary2kr1
      @gary2kr1 Рік тому +2

      @@barath4545 thanx for catching that! Just made the correction. And yes 4 seconds is an eternity. (And shame on me cuz I was at COTA for that F1 weekend lol)

  • @mandst5466
    @mandst5466 2 роки тому +107

    Very refreshing to listen to a true American “gear head” who respects and appreciates racing cars/bikes outside of the USA. Bravo !

    • @Ares14
      @Ares14 Рік тому +8

      A lot of us do. we're just afraid to talk motor sports because a lot of people love to talk shit about Nascar/Indycar... I personally catch every F1 and Indycar race or record them if I can't watch and you wouldn't believe the amount of hate those 2 communities toss back and forth.

    • @mandst5466
      @mandst5466 Рік тому +5

      @@Ares14 Thanks for the insight, I guess just like here in England, you get a real mix of people, some are educated and reasonable, some are not 😉 I have heard F1 fans say Indycar is simple, “just turn left”. Sure, in a bowl at 230mph in amongst a huge bunch of cars all trying for a slipstream ……. really simple 🤔 Many people here don’t even realise that Indycars race circuits as well as bowls ! Do Indy fans and NASCAR fans give each other shit ?

    • @jimdiedrick8853
      @jimdiedrick8853 Рік тому

      Ditto, I watch both F1 and Indycar. I’ve never heard racing experts or drivers bash one series over another. Only ignorant fans do that.

    • @gman16478
      @gman16478 Рік тому

      Yeah, I think that's most of us. F1 and Indycar are my favorites, but I also love WEC and IMSA. I wish series like Indycar we're more popular globaly. The racing is incredible. It's not exactly Formula 1 lite or American F2 because the cars are designed differently (No power steering, for example), but it's a great series to watch.

  • @joaopires1761
    @joaopires1761 Рік тому +92

    MotoGP's record speed was set about two months ago in Mugello. 225.9mph.
    Keep in mind this was recorded in a proper pratice session for the GP. Modifying the bike to focus merely on straight speed would of course make it higher.

    • @andersnielsen6044
      @andersnielsen6044 9 місяців тому +2

      Same goes for a Formula 1 car.. They are setup for the downforce.. ;)

    • @blahblah8471
      @blahblah8471 8 місяців тому +1

      F1 cars can prob reach 250mph if set up for it. The offer ones could probably go to 260

    • @cya1no
      @cya1no 4 місяці тому

      MotoGP is dead since it stopped being GP500 and thus switched from 2-strokes to 4-strokes and became MotoGP.

    • @tt0419
      @tt0419 Місяць тому

      ​​​@@cya1noIt's not true. The reason Gp500 rebranded into MotoGp is because it kept losing to Wsbk in terms of viewership. MotoGP's popularity was at its highest during 2008-2019. Motorcycle racing has never been more popular than in those times.

    • @raphaelmuresan2098
      @raphaelmuresan2098 5 днів тому

      Valentino Rossi it's reach more the 370 km per hour in Moto GP 225 it's less

  • @timb8095
    @timb8095 2 роки тому +791

    MotoGP is accurate, those guys are absolutely nuts, and IMO, by far the most interesting, closely raced and insane racing to watch.

    • @Endymaeria
      @Endymaeria 2 роки тому +11

      Couldn't agree more!

    • @thebigcat8312
      @thebigcat8312 2 роки тому +8

      You got that right buddy !!!

    • @hakonwille9322
      @hakonwille9322 2 роки тому +10

      Most exciting track racing there is!

    • @TheSpliffMaster
      @TheSpliffMaster 2 роки тому +35

      I'd agree with the bike racing part but imo the british superbike championship is on another level for competitive racing. Also the Irish road racing championship is just nuts

    • @Tyler123149
      @Tyler123149 2 роки тому +33

      @@TheSpliffMaster nothing more insane then isle of man tt

  • @x5492
    @x5492 2 роки тому +340

    "who would have the balls to run more than 200 mph on a motorcycle?" you'd be surprised, there's a great many people who tune their street bikes to crack that number, but if you want to watch someone who's really skilled handle it at those speeds watch people do laps of the Isle of Man TT, that shit is insanity on a whole new level.

    • @NEWBkiller646
      @NEWBkiller646 2 роки тому +9

      Don't forget the North West 200 that just ran last week too, absolute maniacs

    • @drsnapid
      @drsnapid 2 роки тому +10

      My 25 year old stock standard Suzuki Rf900R can still hit 160mph on public roads and it doesn't feel like insanity at all. I think most people who ride the truly fast street bikes would not be surprised to hear that race bikes punch crazy numbers. In fact I think you could put many street bikes on that graph and have them compare very favourably to serious 4 wheeled race kit

    • @seminky5341
      @seminky5341 2 роки тому +1

      Tom cruise

    • @user-360johnn
      @user-360johnn 2 роки тому +1

      650ib enters chat

    • @arturama8581
      @arturama8581 Рік тому +7

      @@drsnapid Rode a Kawa ZX14 for some 10 years. You get used to accelleration and speed. I remember my very high heartrate when I fully opened the throttle on my first bike, a Kawa GPX600R, for the first time. It was only 85 HP@190 kg/418 lbs. The big ZX14 was just short of 200 HP@260 kg/570 lbs with some 150 Nm/110 ft lbf of torque. It really hurts your shoulders when launching for the first time. But your body adapts and so does your mind. After some time you get used to it and start to wonder if there's a way to go faster. And there always is 😁
      O, forgot. The stock ZX14 tops out (limiter) at 299 kmh / 186 Mph.

  • @miriamreiss
    @miriamreiss Рік тому +14

    A friend of mine used to say......From 0 to 200km/h in six seconds is insane (like these GP Motorbikes do).....but to go from 0 to 200km/h and back to 0 in six seconds is madness, or F1.

  • @jackytuning657
    @jackytuning657 2 роки тому +27

    Current MotoGP top speed record was set a week ago, and it was 363.6 km/h which is about 226 mph. And that was during the race. Who knows how fast these bikes could be if they were set up for a drag race on a longer straight line.

    • @nicoladc89
      @nicoladc89 Рік тому +1

      Sofuoglu hitted the 400 km/h on the Osman Gazi Bridge with a Kawasaki H2R.

    • @thechosenone82517
      @thechosenone82517 7 місяців тому

      timo berhardt in his porsche 919 evo did 369kmh on his record lap at the nordschleife. and not only once one the döttinger höhe.

    • @cantagallo1677
      @cantagallo1677 6 днів тому

      And don't forget Mugello main straight is uphill

  • @dkvikingkd233
    @dkvikingkd233 2 роки тому +171

    The G-forces in F1 are something else, EVERY race driver without exception I've heard has said that nothing can prepare you for those and you just can't train your neck properly up for F1 other than driving an F1 car, it really is something quite special!

    • @NothingXemnas
      @NothingXemnas 2 роки тому +21

      For practical reasons, F1 drivers practice neck exercises with elastics and weights of around 20kg, but some pilots say that actually driving the car can make your head gain 70kg laterally when cornering.
      Jokingly, Lando Norris (I think?) commented that he is happy that he uses a helmet, because otherwise people would see the awful faces he makes to endure the forces.

    • @daviddieudonne7829
      @daviddieudonne7829 Рік тому +1

      @@NothingXemnas the intensity is so high of the g force and the temperature rises too at those speeds that on average they lose about 3kg in 1h 45min. Lewis Hamilton once lost 4,5kg. In that time, that’s insane. Especially as they’re fit to start.

  • @carloshortas4063
    @carloshortas4063 2 роки тому +125

    I went on a work promotion a few years back and i was lucky enough to get given a ride in a two seater F1 car. It was such an adrenalin rush that couldn't be matched.
    Acceleration was unbelievable and the cornering was like the car was on rails but the thing that really stuck in my mind was the shear power of the brakes. Under heavy braking it felt like my internal organs were trying to burst out of my chest.

    • @IWrocker
      @IWrocker  2 роки тому +16

      That’s so freaking cool!!!! I bet it was unreal…

    • @carloshortas4063
      @carloshortas4063 2 роки тому +2

      @@IWrocker Best experience ever. Well i dont have to tell you bud, but if you get a chance in the future take it! You never know they might do things like that when the F1 hits the US.

    • @tommysaroda4446
      @tommysaroda4446 2 роки тому

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    • @AngryPostmanStockholm
      @AngryPostmanStockholm 2 роки тому

      Maybe not as extreem but good enough to confirm was Henrik (The CEO of former and badly missed developer Simbin and their fantastic Race Series) ♥
      He did GTR racing in a Viper and told me exactly same thing, (actually the red one in the game Race 07) ♥

    • @hound83
      @hound83 2 роки тому

      Saw many interviews regarding this topic and the braking is what everybody says is by far the most impressive! Must have been so cool!

  • @mikedoverskog
    @mikedoverskog Рік тому +12

    IWrocker: 200 mph on two wheels?
    Isle of Man TT Racer: Hold my beer.

  • @aresp6925
    @aresp6925 2 роки тому +51

    Here are real world results on COTA (lap times) :
    F1 (Max Verstappen) - 1:32:910
    Indycar - 1:48:895
    MotoGP (Jorge Martin) - 2:02:040
    NASCAR (Tyler Reddick) - 2:12:911
    XFinity Race (Kyle Busch) - 2:40:349
    Trucks NASCAR (Kaz Grala) - 2:39:978
    Bottom Line : F1 would lap NASCAR every 3 laps or so; Indycar would do similarly.

    • @nicoladc89
      @nicoladc89 Рік тому +3

      The F1 official lap time record at COTA is 1.36.169 by Leclerc in 2019, the official MotoGP lap time record is 2.03.521 by Bastianini in 2022. The F1 fastest lap ever is 1.32.029 by Bottas in 2019, the MotoGP fastest lap time is 2.02.039 by Martin in 2022 and the Indycar fastest lap is 1.45.4542 by Rosenqvist in 2019 but these are unofficial records.

    • @barath4545
      @barath4545 Рік тому +10

      @@nicoladc89 That is because the people that make records official. insist that the time must be sat in a race, which almost never makes sense except if there are point to be won for the fastest lap, which then requires people to pit for soft tires on the 2nd last lap.
      The qualifying laps, which are the records you mention, are the true fastest laps and is what should count. The cars are the same.

    • @Tyler-dm9jw
      @Tyler-dm9jw 10 місяців тому

      What is most surprising to me is the nascar trucks! They’re properly fast

    • @paulmetz4546
      @paulmetz4546 9 місяців тому

      Im from the netherlands, in F1 you have 2 or 3 teams able,to win because you build-the car yourself.F2 F3 you buy.
      Indycar are all dallara, whit a chevy or a honda motor.Nascar are the same chassis whit a chevy ford ore toyota.
      I think a indycar on a superspeedway is on that circuit te fast, a daytona/le mans on the le mans circuit.
      On a flat beatiful circuit the F1.
      I like all racing F1, Indycar, nascar, i can watch it all in the netherlands, i like it.
      I dont care who is the fastest,i still watch.
      In amerikan autosport there are more teams they can win.

  • @tobywylie283
    @tobywylie283 2 роки тому +332

    I would really really recommend watching/reacting to the Isle Of Man TT, arguably the best race in the world and definitely the most dangerous today. The 2022 TT starts in just a few weeks.

    • @DougGratton
      @DougGratton 2 роки тому +2

      Plus top speed of 200 mph for TT

    • @corbelius6
      @corbelius6 2 роки тому +5

      Absolutely Bonkers!

    • @macdonaldsadler
      @macdonaldsadler 2 роки тому +4

      Erm you have also forgotten the other MASSIVE thing about TT road racing (Which is high in Ireland too). Is that it is on PUBLIC ROADS! which were closed just before the races start! And can be ridden on year round. Also fans can ride the same route, at certain times of the meet.

    • @akasuperfan
      @akasuperfan 2 роки тому +7

      I have been twice. And it's the best motorcycle event/party in the world. I was a the Bungalow(at the top of the course) and a Isle of Man police man had his radar gun set up going. John McGinnis on the Padgett's Honda Fireblade went by at 205mph. And that is on what is a public road the rest of the year. As they say there "Simply Brilliant!".

    • @Jake_Hamlin
      @Jake_Hamlin 2 роки тому +3

      Isle of man definitely best racing on the planet, in terms of skill, speed and risk. Hope it never changes, it's like the group B of bike racing

  • @bestfit
    @bestfit 2 роки тому +145

    The top speed for MotoGP (my jam) is correct. The top speed record for MotoGP is around 366 kmh at Mugello in Italy. They can be geared to go even faster but they run out of road :D

    • @salmeza85
      @salmeza85 2 роки тому +3

      I guess it takes even longer to stop too.

    • @graemejohnson9025
      @graemejohnson9025 2 роки тому +7

      Casey Stoner on the Ducati? My fav. Casey Stoner on the Ducati, in the wet.. power slide corners.. at 200mph...

    • @fritzdow4819
      @fritzdow4819 2 роки тому

      @@graemejohnson9025 I think it was Iannone who did the record. Stoner was a great show nevertheless 🤟

    • @graemejohnson9025
      @graemejohnson9025 2 роки тому +1

      @@fritzdow4819 look up when Casey Stoner rode.. the Ducati.. the motogp.. nobbled it for top speed...
      The legend, wanker, his fans use to try injure Casey.. Rossi couldn't ride it..
      Casey, Mick Doohan, Wayne Gardner, all ride sideways..

    • @louisandreas2034
      @louisandreas2034 2 роки тому

      @@salmeza85 you'd be surprised to know that that thing can brakes really well

  • @lynnt9852
    @lynnt9852 9 місяців тому +5

    you need to watch guy martin. he's a mechanic who now does tv shows, and he has broken so many bones in motorcycle crashes I thinkhe's mainly metal, he's also driven a variety of machines from tractors to couble decker buses in speed races. well worth looking him up

    • @Mantis_X
      @Mantis_X 11 днів тому

      And the wall of death where he got angry because they wouldn't let him try again and break his newly set world record 😂

  • @gogororo4490
    @gogororo4490 2 роки тому +6

    About the different setups, just like Nascar, F1 uses different aero setups for different tracks, for example at Monza where flat-out speed is key, teams run low downforce setups to reduces drag. The F1 top speed record is held by Valterri Bottas who did 372kmph/231mph down the Mexico Track straight.

  • @sandalphoncpu
    @sandalphoncpu 2 роки тому +155

    800kg is very light relative to other 4 wheeled motorsports, but very heavy relative to the older F1 cars because of the increased safety standards, the 2017 size increase regulation to make the car faster, and the change to much heavier but efficient power unit in 2014. The f1 cars in the early 2000s were about 600kg, but they’re much smaller and nimble

    • @MrTeufelweich
      @MrTeufelweich 2 роки тому +8

      and dont forget the sound a F1 makes when it pass u with 17k or 18k revs. Never forget this... :-)

    • @brunofqs
      @brunofqs 2 роки тому

      Succinct explanation, thanks

    • @kralcliam
      @kralcliam 2 роки тому

      @@MrTeufelweich Filmed this myself at Monza: ua-cam.com/video/7a4U6BlK8EA/v-deo.html
      Miss it so much, just wish I could have seen the V10's in person:(

    • @durrell246
      @durrell246 2 роки тому +11

      1986 produced the most powerful F1 cars, 1600 horsepower for the BMW M12 engine, in the back of a 450 kilo Benetton B186. Everything since seems almost tame by comparison.

    • @boosted__
      @boosted__ 2 роки тому +1

      800kg is still a metric fuckton for a car

  • @ryan_r849
    @ryan_r849 2 роки тому +109

    Depending on configuration and circuit, F1 will hit 370km/h quite regularly. The Baku street circuit is stupidly fast, as is Monza. Back in the mid 2000's, BAR-Honda ran an experiment on the Bonneville salt flats, trying to break the 400km/h F1 barrier. They got close at 397 (247mph) as the official speed, but in the Mojave testing, they hit 410+ (254mph).

    • @itachiuchiha7728
      @itachiuchiha7728 2 роки тому +3

      and from there they minimized the engine several times i remember JP Montoya didnt he still hold he fastest titel? but yeah F1 is technic and us car series are more 4 wheels and a big engine

    • @AmsterdamHeavy
      @AmsterdamHeavy 2 роки тому

      Important to note that that RB run at Bonneville was in race trim.

    • @Notmyname1593
      @Notmyname1593 2 роки тому

      But wouldn`t all those cars have different top speeds depending on the configuration?

    • @johnjones928
      @johnjones928 2 роки тому +5

      Yes but that BAR/Honda didn't have the rear wing attached. CART champ cars could break 250 mph qualifying for pole at Indy back in the mid 1990's. and sports cars would hit close to 240 at Le Mans in the early 70's.

    • @gollese
      @gollese 2 роки тому

      @@itachiuchiha7728 Kimi räikönnen had the F1 fastests lap for a long time in italy, Monza.

  • @memmener
    @memmener Рік тому +5

    On an oval, if the F1 car is allowed to build a "super speedway" aero package AND have DRS (basically active rear wing that allows even less drag on the straights), the lap times could be very close to Indy cars

  • @Re-Tech
    @Re-Tech Рік тому +2

    Great video - Just a note on the motorcycle - Ducati Superleggera,(199mph - restricted to 186mph) Honda Blackbird (180), suzuki Hyabusa (194mph) and even a 1990 ZZR 1100 which I own can do 172mph - out of the show room as road bikes .

  • @TroySchrapel
    @TroySchrapel 2 роки тому +22

    Talking about NASCAR doing race circuits (rather than ovals). I do recall Marcos Ambrose (from V8 supercar fame) used to do really well on the race circuits such as Watkins Glen - less so on the ovals.

    • @Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019
      @Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019 2 роки тому +2

      I second that, Ambrose could steer a car left and right but could not make friends (aerodraft) needed on an oval track.
      I for one am watching Scotty McLauclin to see how he handles the open wheelers.

    • @Pickendi
      @Pickendi 2 роки тому +1

      He did get pole at Michigan and with that pole he was (then) the recorded holder for the fastest NASCAR lap.

    • @psychedelicprawncrumpets9479
      @psychedelicprawncrumpets9479 2 роки тому

      Marcus ambrose 🤡

    • @mattkenna8739
      @mattkenna8739 2 роки тому

      @@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479 are you Greg Murphy by any chance?

  • @stevetheduck1425
    @stevetheduck1425 2 роки тому +87

    Brit here: we have an expression; 'that's like comparing chalk and cheese', or 'apples and oranges', it means that different cars cannot be compared except to show that Formula 1 cars do best going around a F1 circuit.
    Drag racers beat all on a drag down 1/4 mile, etc.
    I saw a group of people 'testing' assault rifles against each other. We discovered that the people who knew a particular gun best tended to perform best with it.

    • @savagegtalks5912
      @savagegtalks5912 2 роки тому

      it gets complicated when we try to compare specialized tools for a job vs each other.

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому

      @@savagegtalks5912 No it doesn't, happens every day around the world.

    • @savagegtalks5912
      @savagegtalks5912 2 роки тому

      @@fsobsessive7602 I don't see a drag car vs a GT3 car on the strip every day, and I don't see a drag car vs a GT3 car on the ring every day... but if you know of a place, let me know where, I'd like to see.

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому

      @@savagegtalks5912 I was referring to the guns though, but your question is perfect. Basically you say yourself that you can't compare these cars and you are right.

    • @savagegtalks5912
      @savagegtalks5912 2 роки тому

      @@fsobsessive7602 guns? I don't know about guns. First dude said something about a F1 circuit... in my world, that's a racing track, with fast cars with big wings, going fast around corners.
      Building a car for moab, won't be fun on the autobahn. Building a car for autobahn, won't reach moab... it's simple, specialized tools men make for themself, for special jobs/fun... we say it's job, but that's to disguise the truth from our wifes.

  • @MrJoromekiq1
    @MrJoromekiq1 Рік тому +4

    F1 car can lose a drag race, but around a circuit , it has no real competition. That is what F1 cars are designed for. And I absolutely agree about the bike. You must really have big balls to do 223 mph/ 360kph on a bike, it's insane

    • @KailamiMwiinga
      @KailamiMwiinga 2 місяці тому

      Which F1 car are you talking about?

  • @michaelmay5453
    @michaelmay5453 Рік тому +10

    I've done over 200mph on a bike. It stops being fun when you get to 150 and at 200 it feels like the road is just thrown at you. I stopped riding after an extremely close call at high speeds because I knew I wouldn't be able to just ride it slow and enjoy it.

    • @johndeeregreen4592
      @johndeeregreen4592 5 місяців тому

      Yeah, about the same can be said in a car. 150mph is where the real fun of not being fun begins.

    • @Laerei
      @Laerei 3 місяці тому

      I interviewed a female motorbike drag racer once because she had beaten all the guys in her class that year. She had a close call once when her bike went into severe a wobble at 204 mph. She had only been on the bike for a second year then but she kept calm and remembered her training and managed to get that bucking mustang back under control. Despite the close call she didn't quit and her third year was when she was kicking ass left and right.

    • @michaelmay5453
      @michaelmay5453 3 місяці тому

      @@Laerei I don't really know why you are lying here but first of all, if you are going that fast you are going by 10's. 204... that's a lie.
      Secondly, at those speeds you don't get a wobble, you get an instant crash.
      Not that anyone who had imbalance in the front wheel would ever even attempt that, you can feel it at way lower speeds.
      Drag bikes don't turn either so.. no wobble there.
      Why are you making shit up?

  • @thecraggrat
    @thecraggrat 2 роки тому +32

    For F1 vs Indycar on an oval, you have to understand that F1 would come to the oval with a package tailored to running on an oval. That means low drag, specialised suspension set up etc. (unless the F1 rules prohibit them) plus the extra rubber the F1 cars run would likely allow the F1 car to edge the Indycar, though it would be closer than on a road circuit. This would be due to the lack of energy recovery on the hybrid PU on an oval dropping the average power of the PU back towards the Indycar, though the F1 car might eke out ~100-150 hp more power.

    • @derbigpr500
      @derbigpr500 2 роки тому +2

      F1 would easily dominate on ovals with slight setup changes, not a problem at all. Toyota did 400 km/h on sand flats in their F1 car 15 years ago just by taking off the downforce bits nad making 7th gear longer.

    • @maspaghetti3186
      @maspaghetti3186 2 роки тому

      @@derbigpr500 no they don’t, for one single reason. The tyres of f1 cars are not made for ovals

    • @danielburke5865
      @danielburke5865 2 роки тому

      @@maspaghetti3186 Would i be silly for thinking F1 cars engines would overheat around an oval

    • @andrewgoodrich4572
      @andrewgoodrich4572 2 роки тому +2

      @@danielburke5865 no, it was actually a concern when they raced the bahrain outer track during the COVID year because it was the closest track to an oval that the cars would race. I don't believe there were any PU issues during the race itself though, as there were only 3 retirments. Two retired on the first lap due to an accident and the other had an oil leak like half way through.

    • @Wozrop
      @Wozrop Рік тому +3

      @@maspaghetti3186 Or Pirelli would simply make an oval tyre, its really not that hard.

  • @davideyres955
    @davideyres955 2 роки тому +19

    As others have said you need to review the Isle of Man TT race. Not only do they run at over 200mph they do it through small twisty roads with houses lining bit of the track and hit bumps that get them air. It’s insane.

  • @chrish931
    @chrish931 2 роки тому +4

    Crazy thing is how big F1 cars have gotten. They are about the length of a standard cab F150 pickup truck, they have almost doubled in length in the past 30 years, plus they got a little bit wider this year with the new larger but lower profile tires.

  • @ragtop63
    @ragtop63 Рік тому +3

    I've done 200 mph on a production street bike (on a controlled course). MotoGP is absolutely capable of top speeds above 220-230 mph. You just have to be a crazy person to be able to do it.

  • @djdsf
    @djdsf 2 роки тому +41

    Lol, it's wild to me that F1 has been at COTA for 10 years and people are still just now finding out about the sport even though it's been here for a while.
    Glad to see more people enjoying it, that's for sure.

    • @Dwaynesjohnson
      @Dwaynesjohnson 2 роки тому +7

      Plus all the US GP's before that lol. And the last time we had a US driver was 2007, it's just always been a niche thing in the states and now it's gaining traction from DTS

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn Рік тому

      Also all those races in the 2000s
      Also the 80s

    • @djdsf
      @djdsf Рік тому +1

      @@GarkKahn Shhhh, we don't talk about the 80s

    • @lylobean
      @lylobean 10 місяців тому

      And 90s

    • @djdsf
      @djdsf 10 місяців тому

      @@lylobean We don't talk about Arizona or Indianapolis for that matter.

  • @merobo5066
    @merobo5066 2 роки тому +56

    Important to point out that the "DTM car" they used (imo sadly) isn't used anymore. After first Mercedes and then Audi leaving due to financial reasons DTM now is racing GT3s.
    If you (as in anybody reading this) want to see a good race involving Class 1 DTM cars (the one used for the comparison here) I'd suggest 2017 Norisring Race 2

    • @loganm2766
      @loganm2766 2 роки тому +2

      NASCAR DTM and Formula 1 have switched to cheaper more viable options unfortunately

    • @merobo5066
      @merobo5066 2 роки тому +3

      @@loganm2766 I can't comment on NASCAR, but I'd say the F1 changes are way less of a "downgrade" the DTM ones

    • @_SpamMe
      @_SpamMe 2 роки тому +2

      To be fair, GT3 DTM is supposed to be a transition period. Though it seems they now plan on running DTM Electric in parallel instead of going straight for the replacement. And, incidentally, the demo car for DTME they ran a while back (bizarrely, via remote control) had 1200PS; not sure the race car is supposed to be similar but would be rather impressive I suspect.

    • @merobo5066
      @merobo5066 2 роки тому

      @@_SpamMe Yeah, the electric cars could be interesting. Let's just hope they don't get too expensive for manufacturers (and for the superstitious among us, let's hope they don't call them class 1)

    • @simtekgroup3080
      @simtekgroup3080 Рік тому

      @@_SpamMe What do you mean by "via remote control"? I think Sophia Floersch drove the demo car in a couple of occasions

  • @romano3771
    @romano3771 Рік тому +3

    I like your style: pretty chill, no cuts, no screaming - easy to watch.

  • @JBinFL
    @JBinFL 2 роки тому +5

    I've always been a casual fan of F1 but remember being kinda shocked watching an old Top Gear episode and seeing what Hammond went through just to get to the point where he could get one around the track.

  • @jeeveseventynine9263
    @jeeveseventynine9263 2 роки тому +32

    I would highly recommend watching a few MotoGP races, they are imo, the best races of them all. Yeah, it's only two wheels and far from a car, but so are proper racecars. You can see different styles and use of the body, difference in brands but all very competitive. Try to watch a few before Susuki quits. Most of the time, the races are just better and 7/10 races are amazingly good. oh btw As it stands, Johann Zarco holds the record for the fastest speed recorded on a MotoGP bike - a 362.4klm/h (225mph

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому

      I tried but it didn't grab me.

    • @nhs.14
      @nhs.14 2 роки тому

      Well motogp, like any other racing, have some era where one person dominated the race (VR, MM, etc) so it depends on the team itself again.

    • @SomeFreeTimeActivities
      @SomeFreeTimeActivities 2 роки тому +1

      @@fsobsessive7602 did you watch assen 2017? I think it was 17 where they battle from start to end. Best I've ever seen I reckon

    • @fsobsessive7602
      @fsobsessive7602 2 роки тому +1

      @@SomeFreeTimeActivities will give it a try

  • @icculus
    @icculus 2 роки тому +15

    The tracks that these cars race on need to be considered. F1 cars reach top speed on relatively short straights and slow down to low double digit speeds in just a couple hundred feet. Indy cars and nascars maintain high speeds around huge ovals.

  • @per-ly4wq
    @per-ly4wq Місяць тому +1

    I’m from germany, and believe me, there are guys who love NASCAR over here. Since I first saw a Plymouth Superbird slamming around the oval with 195mph, I was hooked.

  • @Twinno22
    @Twinno22 2 роки тому +4

    362.4kph is the fastest speed recorded on a motogp race weekend by Johan Zarco aboard his Ducati in Qatar 2021. This record was equalled also in 2021 by Brad Binder aboard his KTM motogp bike during the Mugello race weekend later in the year.

  • @elemental2418
    @elemental2418 2 роки тому +12

    Man I have to say you have an absolute open mind to race cars and you don't see that in many Nascar fans I really enjoyed your video man keep it up

  • @simbob26
    @simbob26 2 роки тому +12

    I felt the same as you when I was younger. I didn’t think that I would be sensible on a road-going motorcycle… so I didn’t get one. When I turned 40 I had a bit of a rethink about many things, and one of those was motorcycles. I decided to get my motorcycle licence and I could not be happier. With age comes respect for the road and an appreciation of one’s mortality. I love getting out on the highway, wind in my face, carefree… (the occasional bug in the mouth or splattered over my visor)
    I would have missed out on much if I had not reevaluated my views on things.

    • @ntl9974
      @ntl9974 2 роки тому

      Same views for me on women

  • @RascalMcGovens
    @RascalMcGovens Рік тому +3

    The speed differential is insane. Did a couple of f1 races on my sim last weekend, then did a gt3 race. It felt like going from a supercar to a fiat 500.

  • @Ironage99
    @Ironage99 5 місяців тому +1

    I really do love your channel. It's like listening to a friend about the same thing we both love. Great stuff.

  • @billdaniel8310
    @billdaniel8310 2 роки тому +29

    The qualifying times for Moto GP and V8 Supercars at Phillip Island is about the same.
    1min 28sec for Moto GP and 1min 30sec for the V8's.
    When the V8 Supercars raced at COTA, James Courtney and Kurt Busch (NASCAR) raced each other around the track and the lap times were very similar. NASCAR had the top end speed, and the V8's could brake a lot deeper before the corners.

    • @iTxip
      @iTxip 2 роки тому

      MotoGP is 10 seconds faster than Nascar @COTA

    • @carlosangui7490
      @carlosangui7490 2 роки тому

      Phillip island is a very fast circuit and fast corners are motogp's weakest point, so...

  • @douglasbrown5692
    @douglasbrown5692 2 роки тому +30

    I've never really understood the appeal oval racing. I'm sure it requires a lot of skill, but a pretty limited range of skills compared to "circuit" racing. Love my F1 and BTCC hooligans!

    • @dylanzrim3635
      @dylanzrim3635 2 роки тому +1

      That’s why a circuit race will often go without caution, but when the oval tracks come along its wreck city.
      Point is unless you’ve tried it against people who know what they’re doing, you yourself have zero idea. You try changing lanes into a gap one inch bigger than your car at 300mph on 12 degrees of banking

    • @gitfindasettahpanzy9892
      @gitfindasettahpanzy9892 2 роки тому +8

      @@dylanzrim3635 With a 6 inch gap on a given side, and turbulent air at all angles, not to mention basically useless brakes if anything goes pear shaped. I'm always a rally person first, but since broadening my horizons all these racing disciplines require an immense amount of skill and testicular fortitude. Cheers lads

    • @PDVism
      @PDVism 2 роки тому +4

      @@dylanzrim3635 which in the end still means less skill compared to F1 because those gaps you talk of are than used at higher speed and without the benefit of having each and every turn with the same angle and the same direction, oh and the banking angle in Nascar actual helps because it's there to help downplay the centrifugal forces so that there's let's need to play with powering up/down getting in or out of bends.
      That F1 and such are practiced around the world and Nascar isn't I think gives a clear another indication.
      The only bit of succes Nascar has outside of the USA is Canada and Mexico. The Nascar races in Europe are such a non event that there's not a single mention of it in the regular media.

    • @glenchapman3899
      @glenchapman3899 2 роки тому +1

      @@PDVism But its about horses for courses. In Australia for example V8 Supercars incredibly popular, yet outside New Zealand no one else in the world races that class.

    • @glenchapman3899
      @glenchapman3899 2 роки тому +1

      @@gitfindasettahpanzy9892 Yes the various skills are insane for the classes.. For example NASCAR drivers dont need to know how to do a handbrake turn, and rally drivers dont have much use for bump drafting lol. And swapping drivers between NASCAR and F1 would produce some hilarious results

  • @Jimmy-zu9gb
    @Jimmy-zu9gb 6 днів тому

    As a newly renewed racing fan, specifically F1, I was surprised to see the top speeds of the Indy cars when I watched their new Netflix series. Their top speeds on an oval were downright shocking. But another thing I noticed, they had different rear wings for an oval than they did a street circuit. F1 cars don't change their rear wings that much throughout the season as all of their tracks are twisty/curvy. It would be interesting to see an F1 car optimized for an oval and what their top speeds would be. Another thing is their hybrid setup, using the battery as a booster for more speed when needed/applicable. From what I understand, Indy is still straight ICE only. The battery boost gives the F1 car an on-demand speed boost in a straight or when needed to defend, but has to be charged while braking in a turn (they start the race with little to no charge). If they're racing an oval, they wouldn't get as much braking, thus less battery charge, and subsequently less on-demand power. A strange give and take for the car on an oval. That 1000hp+ is with the battery boost engaged.
    An interesting take away though, there is less homogenization in F1 than in NasCar or Indy. The teams must develop their cars within the given specs, but engine output and chassis design can vary. This current season sees Alpine at a 8-15hp disadvantage (IIRC), and they have advocated for stricter homogenization with little support from the FIA. The teams are allowed independence in their development, and even Redbull which owns two F1 teams, cannot share data or specs between the two teams. This really puts the impetus on the teams technical developers to produce a car that can outperform the rest, and directly reflects in how one or two teams can be so dominant for multiple seasons (i.e. Mercedes seven championships in a row, and now Redbull's utter dominance winning all but three races in the last 12+ months).

  • @batstarmuaz4904
    @batstarmuaz4904 2 роки тому +1

    I also didn't like nascar and oval racing but came to think about it and the amount of tactics go into oval racing is astonishing. Just discovered your channel and I love it. Subbed.

  • @jean-francoispirenne6518
    @jean-francoispirenne6518 2 роки тому +10

    The fastest lap on a circuit, all races: Henri Pescarolo driving a Matra 670B prototype at the 1973 Francorchamps 1000 km, the lap speed was 262 km/h. The fastest speed measured on a portion of circuit was 415 km/h by a WM in the Hunaudieres, Le Mans.

  • @insAneTunA
    @insAneTunA 2 роки тому +12

    The speed from a single lap on a track with a formula 1 car comes from different aspects. It is not just based on raw power or top speed, but also how late it can brake, how fast they can hit the gas pedal, and how fast it can take the corners. The brakes from an F1 car are much more sophisticated compared to the brakes from an indycar. So it is a superior weight to power ratio combined with superior brakes and a superior aerodynamics package (down force when it is needed). F1 teams spend much more time and money on the development from all of those aspects compared to other race car classes.
    F2 and F3 are most certainly NOT amateur classes. Most F2 and F3 teams also have an F1 team. I would call it a junior class, but it is just as professional as F1. And very often, if not always, drivers have to bring along their own sponsors in order to get a chance to drive for a team.
    Sometimes indycars race on a track where they have a higher top speed compared to the top speed from F1 cars on their fastest track, but as mentioned before, indycars can't brake as late as an F1 car, and they can't take the corners at the same speed as an F1 car.
    For a race car most time can be won at the slower parts of a track. That is where they can make a real difference with other cars with a different setup. An F1 team can have a very powerful power train, but if the aerodynamics from the car isn't good, like we see happening with the Mercedes car, than they are not able to use all that power. So the setup from an F1 car is very important, and it varies from track to track. And an F1 car is much more sensitive to external conditions, so one moment the car can perform flawlessly, but as the track conditions change, such as track temperature, rain, wind, rubber, the car can start to perform worse.

  • @Ricardo_Pickles
    @Ricardo_Pickles 2 роки тому

    Great video man! Super nice and humble sounding guy. Subscribed for sure!

  • @KD-oi9sk
    @KD-oi9sk 2 роки тому +45

    I've seen most of these pretty close up trackside. All very fast and i'm sure F1 and Indycar are ahead of most things on speed. But nothing was more impressive than the LMP1s, especially at Le Mans, from a few years back, they were so crazy first time you saw them all you could do was laugh, then 15 hours later they're still hammering it and you'd start laughing all over again.

    • @marcusbattaglia5400
      @marcusbattaglia5400 2 роки тому

      Yeah, specially this "modified" LMP1 here:
      ua-cam.com/video/J7bG9sP0jGg/v-deo.html

  • @marco_grt4460
    @marco_grt4460 2 роки тому +11

    8:03 wins in acceleration the LMP1 for one reason: traction. All the cars (except the LMP2, the difference is the torque) are rear-wheel drive when that are all-wheel drive at the start, then there is the weight/power factor that changes the result between the cars.
    p.s. I basically wrote what he would have said, if we wait a couple of years or less we will see what a motorcycle can do in Spa

    • @andrewcarter9649
      @andrewcarter9649 2 роки тому

      Thats the one part of the video I question, when this video was made the regulations limited the Toyota to only use it's electric power at speeds of above 110km/h and this year thats now up to 190km/h. Obviously that means it's irrelevant to a 0-100/62 test as they can't use the motors at those speeds.

    • @marco_grt4460
      @marco_grt4460 2 роки тому

      @@andrewcarter9649 but it is a paradox, the electric motor gives its best in acceleration not in speed, a useless weight to carry

  • @fc436
    @fc436 4 місяці тому

    Pato o'Ward after trying an F1 said:
    "My limit was because I couldn't see the curve well in the fast corners, because I couldn't keep my head straight. The G-force is abnormal"
    Another indy driver tried Montoya's willams-BMW F1 and said:
    "Fast corners and braking are something unthinkable. When you press the brake your view darkens for the force-G and you come back to see just before the corner"
    Another pilot I don't remember said after a test:
    "In fast corners you raise your foot, because you can't believe it can be on the street at that speed . I had to do an act of faith to do the Flat Out curve ,because the brain refuses to believe it"

  • @tomhawkins9752
    @tomhawkins9752 Рік тому +1

    I was at the British Grand Prix a couple of weeks ago and was sat at Copse corner and throughout the day we saw the F1, F2, F3 and Porsche Supercup and it’s absolutely insane how much faster through the corners the F1 cars are in comparison. The other cars were still fast and would beat pretty much any road car easily but the cornering speeds in F1 are unbelievable

  • @MoonFlower901
    @MoonFlower901 2 роки тому +9

    During his qualifying run for the Italian Grand Prix, Brad Binder reached an incredible speed of 362.4 km/h on his KTM(MotoGP)

  • @henriks5008
    @henriks5008 2 роки тому +11

    Its not about the straight line speed and acceleration in F1 That is "easy" to achieve. The technology lies in the cornering-speed and braking points ;)

    • @Fujibayashi50
      @Fujibayashi50 2 роки тому +1

      They mentioned that several times in the video.

    • @henriks5008
      @henriks5008 2 роки тому +1

      @@Fujibayashi50 Well I dint have to watch the vid to come to that conclusion. Thats the difference ;)

  • @MegaInsaneMC
    @MegaInsaneMC Рік тому +2

    I've been racing a lot on gran Turismo 7 recently and I was expecting a mention of the super formula series from Japan and how they would stack up.
    If I remember right they're about 650~ bhp. Which is pretty impressive from an I4 engine

  • @make7983
    @make7983 Місяць тому

    Fun fact about F1 cars. They accelerate from 100 to 200 km/h faster than 0-100 km/h. That's because they very rarely go less than 80 km/h when going around the track

  • @antmax
    @antmax 2 роки тому +11

    I recently read an article where they compared lap times of different racing categories on the same track. It was a US track and included F1, and Indycar along with several others. F1 was the fastest per lap by 14 seconds, followed by Indycar, other categories filtered away progressively from there. I was expecting it, but not by THAT much.

    • @skipwilliam5639
      @skipwilliam5639 2 роки тому +3

      but faster never makes for better racing.

    • @antmax
      @antmax 2 роки тому

      @@skipwilliam5639 Yeah, not fun if it's just a procession and no one can overtake. They are trying to aleviate that slowly.
      Next regs for 2026 will make the cars smaller and lighter. At the moment they have the footprint of a large SUV and are the heaviest they have ever been. I bet those big wheels and tires add a lot of unsprung weight too.

    • @skipwilliam5639
      @skipwilliam5639 2 роки тому

      @@antmax Its like nascar make the cars undrivable and let the crews figure it out. Money will always buy the most speed but knowledge will buy you the best handling car..

    • @doncarreradelavega299
      @doncarreradelavega299 2 роки тому

      That difference can change a lot if you change the circuit, because each care has its own peculiarities.

  • @RustyDust101
    @RustyDust101 2 роки тому +16

    Well, the Formula 1 is soooo heavily regulated that not nearly a tenth of what would be technically possible is allowed to be used on the cars.
    Considering that even during the late 1970's the F1 cars would have been technically able to produce lateral G-forces greater than 5G's, this would have snapped the necks of any drivers in the cars if they went through corners at the top speed possible for that corner and those cars.
    Yeah, yeah, I know, fighter jet pilots withstand greater than 11G's for very short times, but they can't throw their jets around a tight turn while retaining their orientation. They tilt and roll the plane to accomodate those G-forces by changing them from purely lateral to both lateral and downwards G-forces. An F1 car would experience much greater sideways G-forces than any jet could ever handle due to friction between ground and tires if ALL technical possibilities were used. Heck, even jets could change a pilot from living to squished chunky soup in flight suit if everything technically possible were used in jets.

    • @vitsalava1251
      @vitsalava1251 2 роки тому +1

      Put the driver on a one axis gymbal, now that would be a weird driving experience. Leaning relative to the car in turns...

    • @glenchapman3899
      @glenchapman3899 2 роки тому +1

      Indy car went through something similar. At the Indy 500 in the 80s drivers began blacking out on the entrance to turn three. As a consequence they began speed limiting them as well

  • @ion_X
    @ion_X 7 місяців тому

    F1 actually used to go up to around 380kph and with the record around and even crossing 400kph (during testing) but got slowed down multiple times over the years through regulations to increase safety
    LMP used to also have top speeds of around 385kph which seems to be the upper limits for safe sustainable top speeds for racing due various factors of physics and aerodynamics, and then energy to drag ratios

  • @miguelito6915
    @miguelito6915 Місяць тому

    Big difference from just going around in plain circles with only left turns as opposed to actualy having to go left and right and uding the clutch

  • @andrejkocsis4671
    @andrejkocsis4671 2 роки тому +5

    F1 car is set-up differently for every track, so it would be set-up for oval too. They are balancing between the air drag and downforce. Either they are fast on straight or they are fast at corners depends on set-up. But ultimately, they are fast. (I think)

    • @jakel7213
      @jakel7213 2 роки тому

      F1 tried ovals before. The drivers were experiencing wayyyyyy too many sustained G's around the turns, to the point where they were passing out.

    • @bean2705
      @bean2705 Рік тому +1

      @@jakel7213 the tyres couldn’t handle the forces no the drivers

  • @BruceHoult
    @BruceHoult 2 роки тому +3

    One problem with comparing the speed of race cars from different series is that they are *designed* to be slow and/or cheaper. The entire history of F1 is engineers doing something to make the cars faster, they win a few races, and then that thing is banned. Every few years more limitations are placed on the aero, minimum weight is increased, and engines are made smaller. From 1989-1994 engines were limited to 3.5 litres. In 1995-2005 they were 2.0 litres. From 2006-2013 2.4 litre 90º V8, with some engines doing over 20,000 RPM until regulations limited them to first 19,000 then 18,000. And now we have 1600cc V6 with a 15000 RPM limit -- but with a turbo and a hybrid system. Peak fuel flow is now also limited to 100 kg/h -- and 110 kg total for the whole ~300 km race.

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 2 роки тому

      A NASCAR team had a car that was so good it was banned after the Race Lol

    • @JediOfTheRepublic
      @JediOfTheRepublic 2 роки тому

      @@anthonymolina7416 Yeah, it's happened in F1.

  • @Ryzard
    @Ryzard 8 місяців тому

    You may be surprised, from what I understand, a lot of F1 fans respect IndyCar quite a lot, and lots of foreign viewers watch the 500 (even the F1 drivers themselves, Fernando Alonso was trying to skip his Monoco podium ceremony to catch the first laps this year lmao).
    There are several f1 champions that have come from or gone to indycar, like Jacques Villeneuve, Mario Andretti, Jim Clark, etc.

  • @CrazyBenny
    @CrazyBenny 11 днів тому

    Just watching this video two years after the fact, and really interesting on IWrockers point that Stock Cars are no slouch. Last year we had the Special Entry nascar into Garage 56 at LeMans, a heavily modified ZL1 Camaro. While it was not the same as the Nascar new gens, it was close. It smashed the GTE class and even took over some of the LMPs. Would love to see a multiclass race including some typical stock cars

  • @edouardsuenson2568
    @edouardsuenson2568 2 роки тому +18

    "who has the balls to drive a motorcycle at 200mph" every TT Challenge rider laughing 😋

    • @Hempujonsito
      @Hempujonsito 2 роки тому

      Until they ride over a pebble and stamp themselves into a wall at 200mph

  • @raycodv267
    @raycodv267 2 роки тому +3

    12:00 I get what you're saying! The F1 car is shown here at a top speed of 360 kph, while it's been recorded over 370 during the Mexico GP last year.

  • @ENGBriseB
    @ENGBriseB 17 днів тому

    And WRC is probably the most underrated for driving and speed. Plus the TT for motor bikes.

  • @JoeWolsing
    @JoeWolsing 11 місяців тому

    Breaking power, cornering speed is the strength of F1. The former motobike GP driver Ralf Waldmann once said: one day I want to drive an F1 car. Not for the acceleration, my bike can do it better, but for the break power. I want to feel my eyes popping out of my head and smashing into my visor. 😂
    I think there are no cars that can go a road circuit faster than an F1. And wehave to keep in mind that today F1 cars are so restricted. In 1985 they had 1500 hp out of 1.4 litre engines in training mode and a minimum of 600 kg (a little more than 1300 pounds 😊).
    These cars were absolutely insane.

  • @stalliondave9338
    @stalliondave9338 2 роки тому +8

    I don't mind NASCAR first and foremost, I love all motorsports individually, saying one is better than the other is ridiculous when they just aren't doing the same thing, and with totally different machines. Having said that, gotta say F1 would have my vote on the oval track. Higher top speed and more aero, so better on the corners, seems like its a foregone conclusion

    • @davidmurphy2903
      @davidmurphy2903 2 роки тому +2

      I agree. It's senseless to love one and hate the other. Why can't we simply enjoy each on their own merits?

    • @dposcuro
      @dposcuro 2 роки тому

      @@davidmurphy2903 Simple reason: F1, Indy, Stock cars are boring, to me. I personally could not tell the difference between any of the manufacturers cars if you laid them out in a line. These levels of motorsport are so tightly regulated, that there is so little difference between the vehicles. It's almost to the point where they might as well be a Spec-class of racing with a single make. If I want to see a race where the differences between the machines are effectively nullified, and the human is the primary differentiation? I'll watch Olympic sprinting honestly.
      But....that's as far as my "hate" goes. I respect the shit out of the technology, the engineering, and the driver skill in all forms of racing. I just vastly prefer that the vehicle itself, is an actual factor. It's what draws me to Rally, to LeMans, to Hillclimbs, to grassroots circuit racing, to Baja and other forms of off-road racing.

  • @alucardhellsing1037
    @alucardhellsing1037 2 роки тому +20

    Its the pinnacle of motor racing when you look at the insane amount of engineering that has be taken from the aerospace industry. Also F1 cars are designed by each team which is geared towards achieving extreme downforce. A formula car is not actually a car. But more of an aeroplane flying on wheels.

    • @graemejohnson9025
      @graemejohnson9025 2 роки тому

      Have you ever driven a E Type Jaguar, I have..
      It have 12 cylinder v12..
      No tech crap..
      Beats the shit out of the nanny crap we have now..
      Music now is autotune, and cars nanny crap..

    • @Moribax85
      @Moribax85 2 роки тому

      More than airplanes flying on wheels, they're quite literally reverse airplanes: where a normal airplane's wings are designed to push the vehicle up and so achieve flight, a f1 car wings are designed to push the car down, as it would fly by itself otherwise :D

    • @electroborg
      @electroborg 2 роки тому

      @@graemejohnson9025 classic alfa driver here, I subscribe completely. Drive a carburated sporty rwd manual with no electronics and no abs, then talk about cars.

    • @electroborg
      @electroborg 2 роки тому

      Yes, there is no comparison between driving an f1 (in a simulator, for me) and a hypercar with same power which probably resembles NASCAR more closely. They are not even fun, to me at least. Too fast to really enjoy.

  • @squid667
    @squid667 Рік тому

    A guy I know used to do road racing with motorcycles 20 years ago. He had one of his bikes up to 330kmh / 205mph once on a test run. He was very happy to say that the numbers in the speedometer was not just for show. My parents also knew a guy that used to run top fuel bikes. That is an absolutely insane sport.

  • @pr3cious193
    @pr3cious193 Рік тому

    7:53 you're absolutely right on that, f1 drivers go easy on the throttle and gradually build up to full throttle during race starts and after they exit slow corners because they would get wheelspin if they applied max throttle instantly as the car basically has a lot of torque but not enough grip to match that torque.
    The solution to that lack of grip is of course downforce from aero dynamics but that comes into play once you get up to racing speed and are able to get that high pressure air to the wings, chassis and floor to generate the downforce.

  • @roverwaters3875
    @roverwaters3875 2 роки тому +6

    motogp is more entertaining than F1
    they do ~350kmph regularly on the straight
    they show the stats live for top speed every race

    • @gollese
      @gollese 2 роки тому

      Since last year and this season? Nah, not for me.

  • @keefy302
    @keefy302 2 роки тому +4

    You need to check out the “world time attack challenge”.. take a street car, and do pretty much anything you want to it, send it flat out for 2 laps to set your time. There is almost no modification restrictions, tires (spelt tyres here) are about the regulated component.

  • @vale.antoni
    @vale.antoni 2 роки тому

    A Hungarian TV pundit was given a ride in a 2-seater F1 car. The thing he found most breathtaking (in this case literally) was not the acceleration, but the brakes (mind you this was 10-15 years ago). Sure the car might get 0-100 in 2.5 seconds, but it can stop from there in half the time.

  • @dgr8oneme
    @dgr8oneme Рік тому

    For me it shows how good the MOTOGP riders are to have the guts and the skill to keep up with the drivers of these top cars. They often don't get the same level of respect or love as the car race drivers.

  • @IAT1964
    @IAT1964 2 роки тому +4

    For those interested in the conversion from metric to americaneze, 1 kilogram is equivalent to 2.2 pounds. So 800 kg is 1760 lb.

    • @soisaidtogod4248
      @soisaidtogod4248 2 роки тому

      Any dope dealer in the states know their metric conversions.

  • @NerdChannelBrasil
    @NerdChannelBrasil 2 роки тому +4

    I think it would be very similar in the oval. We have to take into account that Indy car changes the setup from the rear wing to oval and the same would be applied to F1 cars, which just opening the DRS system on the rear wing gains 20km/h.

    • @eldarion933
      @eldarion933 2 роки тому

      F1 also changes setup from track to track..

    • @soundninja99
      @soundninja99 2 роки тому +1

      @@eldarion933 that's what he said mate

  • @Powfq
    @Powfq Рік тому +1

    Dont believe the motogp bike at 12:41 but Jorge Martin holds the record for the top recorded speed for MotoGP in an official session, reaching 363.6km/h at Mugello in 2022 during the Italian Grand Prix on a Pramac Ducati. He beat the previous fastest speed of 362.4km/h, set by Johann Zarco at the Losail International Circuit in FP4 for the Qatar GP in 2021

  • @c0LdfUs10n
    @c0LdfUs10n Рік тому

    F1 cars just have the whole package. Power, Aero, Brakes, Tires. Crazy!! Someone hit 5.7 lateral G's @ Spa (Pouhon corner) this year and cars frequently hit 6Gs under braking. No other race car can put up such figures.

  • @Superfluous.
    @Superfluous. 2 роки тому +3

    Watching those Spa lap times, the LMP1H nerfs were bigger than I thought just so they could match the lap times of the hybrid version to the ICE-only versions of the class. They used to be 10 seconds than an F1 car and they're now slower than an F2.
    It's such a shame. Those cars were so much fun to watch, man. I can understand teams dropping the class due to costs, but they could have just retired the hybrid class instead of butchering it entirely just to match the pace and have a championship of 4 cars.
    I'll never forget the fights Audi, Porsche and Toyota had back in 2012-2016 in the WEC. I haven't seen any sort of racing like that ever since and it genuinely makes me mildly depressed. There's no fucking way anyone who watches those replays even thinks they were doing 6-12-24h races because they duked it out like they were 10 lap sprints for the entire duration of the race.

    • @jordanclark4635
      @jordanclark4635 2 роки тому

      I don’t think they’ve ever been faster than f1 at spa, only once they 919 evo which was free from rules was it faster, and only by a second or two

  • @ctsugusergroup1397
    @ctsugusergroup1397 2 роки тому +6

    What's so fascinating about F1 is the shear speed as it leaves a corner and goes to the next corner. At CoTA, for instance, in the "Stadium" section, watch the F1 car live is just awesome to see it move from corner to corner. Your eyes and mind cannot believe that the car can accelerate that fast AND slow down that fast.

  • @Durbanite2010
    @Durbanite2010 Рік тому

    With the 2022-spec F1 cars, with their aerodynamics moving much more towards ground effect and less complicated wings, I think it would be very close to IndyCar on pace on an oval, particularly if the track was smooth. The disadvatage creeps in if the cars would require refueling at any point, since current F1 regulations don't allow refueling during races and all cars must run to a specific maximum fuel consumption rate, which obviously doesn't affect IndyCar. The advantage comes back for the F1 car with its hybrid power unit, so it has some electricity to use too, very helpful in getting speedily out of corners, particularly lower speed corners - this is probably the major factor in the F1 car being faster around a circuit like Spa than the IndyCar. 2022-spec F1 cars also have much larger brakes than previous years, which means the stopping distances would be further reduced compared to pre-2022 cars.

  • @ya33a
    @ya33a 2 роки тому +1

    I saw Mick Doohan clock 306kmh (192MPH) at the end of the straight at Eastern Creek in 1994, on a 500cc GP bike, so 220 now makes a lot of sense...

  • @maxfish4770
    @maxfish4770 2 роки тому +5

    They could go a lot quicker in F1, they keep a lid on it so people don't die.
    You think Moto GP is crazy, check out The Isle of Man TT

    • @thatoneguyinthemiddle1910
      @thatoneguyinthemiddle1910 2 роки тому +1

      yeah, but we're talking about circuit racing here

    • @naycnay
      @naycnay 2 роки тому

      @@thatoneguyinthemiddle1910 IOM TT is a circuit. Just a street circuit. Many of these classes, including F1, race on street circuits too.

    • @thatoneguyinthemiddle1910
      @thatoneguyinthemiddle1910 2 роки тому

      @@naycnay I see. my bad

  • @alpine1609
    @alpine1609 2 роки тому +3

    Where f1 beats all other forms of racing is their cornering speeds.

  • @jackbrizard8447
    @jackbrizard8447 2 роки тому

    the reason nascar does those crazy speeds with no restrictions is all because of drafting and slipstreams, those cars are designed to fit perfectly into the stream of the car behind and that can effectively give them another 20-50hp(not literally ofc) on the car in front and sucks them up into the back at those 200+mph speeds. solo around a track tho it’s very rare to see them go 200+

  • @stevensmith797
    @stevensmith797 Рік тому

    Im australian , they can say what they want about NASCAR , but 40 odd cars at 200 mph a couple feet (half a mtr ) off each other in what is an airo brick on a track where the tinyest mistake means the wall is nuts , and I love it :)

  • @SnaxDesAvions
    @SnaxDesAvions 2 роки тому +7

    I recently discovered your channel and I love your react videos, and I like that you like racing in general :D
    Being from Belgium, for us Spa is nothing but the best track in the world, but COTA is awesome too !
    It seems that you not really aware of what LMP cars are, LMP stands for Le Mans Prototypes and they are for me the pinnacle of road racing as they're made to race for Endurance racing.
    May I them recommand this particular video if you haven't seen it already ?
    ua-cam.com/video/KsLi7HgSuhI/v-deo.html
    It's about the lap on the Nordschleife onboard the Porsche 919 LMP1 being unrestricted to the maximum as a farewell to the LMP1 category (now replaced with the Hypercar class)
    And if ya wanna see more about LMP races, there's this cool videos that shows great battles between LMP1 cars, this shows why it's the "queen" caterogy in the Endurance race, especially when the cars made in one race almost more than the entire F1 calendar:
    ua-cam.com/video/mzULPaHGIFs/v-deo.html
    Peace man

    • @Lizards_Lounge
      @Lizards_Lounge 2 роки тому +1

      One of my favourite clips.

    • @IWrocker
      @IWrocker  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you so much for the video ideas! I’ll take a look, sounds awesome, I’m really happy to have ya aboard the channel, it’s a lot of fun, we have a great community here. There’s much to learn for me, Motorsport from all around the world is so exciting 🎉😎👍

  • @seanf5760
    @seanf5760 2 роки тому +3

    The Moto GP bike speeds are pretty quick, but you should look into just how fast some bikes go on Isle Of Mann TT. Which although it's a street circuit, they go beyond those speeds at times.

    • @theghost6412
      @theghost6412 2 роки тому +1

      Did you ever watch Getaway In Stockholm?
      That Hayabusa reached stupid speeds.

    • @handsolo1209
      @handsolo1209 2 роки тому

      No bike on the IOM has ever got close to the top speed of a MotoGP bike. IOM bikes are customized road bikes that are on open sale. MotoGP are 100% prototype bikes that are not available for sale anywhere and are meant to show the pinnacle of what the factories can build.

    • @seanf5760
      @seanf5760 2 роки тому

      @@handsolo1209 Bruce Anstey got to just 30km/h slower than the top speed of a Moto GP bike while on the Isle Of Man TT in 2006, but continue?

    • @naycnay
      @naycnay 2 роки тому

      @@handsolo1209 IOM hits 200mph+ in some places, which is about the top speed of MotoGP for the majority of circuits. Maybe down 10% on top speed in comparison to Mugello, which isn't a slouch.
      It's physics. Bikes have little drag so getting up to those speeds is very possible, but going faster requires exponentially more power, especially with the same gearing. You could make a road bike go so much faster by just changing the sprockets, but it'd quickly become awful to actually ride.
      MotoGP bikes likely accelerate a lot quicker, are lighter and have all the interesting suspension and aero. They'd do the TT faster, but they'd only be a bit quicker on the big straights. They'd show their worth in the corners and acceleration.

    • @handsolo1209
      @handsolo1209 2 роки тому +1

      @@seanf5760 Right, so by going slower they go faster than MotoGP bikes, but continue?

  • @kobak5
    @kobak5 Рік тому

    As an European visiting nascar is on my bucket list. The sound, the crowds the most American thing there is. Just so hard to follow here, time difference is impractical

  • @AktivistMusik
    @AktivistMusik 2 роки тому

    2 words: Lap time!
    Everything else is irrelevant.
    Nothing even comes close to an F1 car when you consider that single most important thing.
    Awesome video!

  • @bensteven3091
    @bensteven3091 Рік тому +4

    It is surprising how little knowledge the comentator has

  • @homeboi4159
    @homeboi4159 2 роки тому

    I’m an F1 fan, and I think Indycar is a decent series. I do have a few problems with it. First, it’s pretty much a spec series to see who’s the driver who could squeeze more juice out of the cars. Second, I think there’s too many drivers. Some teams have 5 drivers. I think there should be some structure in regards to this aspect of the sport. Also, they should also provide more freedom with the aero design. This will show how great the engineers of the team are, how they can adapt with each track by adjusting and putting on new parts.

  • @AnIdiotAboard_
    @AnIdiotAboard_ 2 роки тому

    Just something to note here, with regards to the F1 car, it CAN produce some 1100 Bhp, (Merc ferrari and renualt all claimed last year peak power over 1050Bhp) but thats all it is PEAK Power, the Power Units / Drive Trains, are all roughly 500 to 600 Bhp from the 6 pot v6 engine on its own, they are tapping off upto 200Bhp from the turbo as electrical power, brings us to 800 BHP, then on top of that theres 160Kw for 31 seconds per lap (Approx 200 Bhp) for 1000Bhp and they can discharge into the turbo from batterys on acceleration brining peak power in short burst to 1100 Bhp.
    For 31 seconds of the lap theres upto 1100 Bhps Available
    Most of the lap theres upto 800/900 Bhp Available
    And everytime the car is down under 120Km/h its only 600 horses becuase no electrical deployment can be used below 120 Km/h

  • @DBayz
    @DBayz 2 роки тому

    Formula One has been on the ESPN networks since 2018 and prior to that the NBC Sports network since 2013. It's been televised since 1962 in the US. It's been available plenty enough but simply didn't have enough exposure. Formula One even has roots in Indy Car. It's been in the US since day one.

  • @user-yk1cf8qb7q
    @user-yk1cf8qb7q Місяць тому

    F1 cars have a maximum engine size of 1.6 litres which can produce 1000 hp, which is very different to the American approach using a relatively huge V8 engines. Us Europeans emphasise power, compared to the US emphasis on size. He did give a reason why F1 are not necessarily good on standing star, it's due to the lightweight construction of the clutch, perhaps you didn't hear that?