I agree. I took one for a test ride a couple of weeks ago up at Indian Ballarat. (see GB Bike TV Australia). I LOVED the power and the light weight of the bike. SO well balanced too.
I've got a Super Chief Limited with the Stage 2 kit and a PC6. It's well worth the upgrade. Turns it into a real monster. Shame I don't have the dual disc front end....
@@joevsfood I could say the same to you. You didn't understand me either, did you?,... and I do understand hyperbole, don't worry about my life, it's not sad at all. Cheers.
I'm a "youtuber" who has converted my entire channel to center around Indian. I do happen to think they build, at the very least, an equivalent platform that ticks the boxes of being American made, good technology and gives you more for your dollar than Harley does. I think that while Indian does indeed have an uphill battle, Polaris is a far larger company and can supply the capital it takes to allow Indian to iterate their bikes and slowly take back some of the behemoth market share of HD. I've taken the risk and hope others do as well by making content surrounded by Indian and I do think that the UA-cam space is important to Indian/Polaris as most people researching their next bike head to YT to see reviews etc. I agree with your assessments in this video. My 2023 Indian Pursuit is a fantastic bike and my wife's 2023 Sport Chief is amazing....and we're basically converting it into a Super Chief (eqiv to Heritage). I think the Sport Chief can and will be a fantastic do it all bike with better suspension/brakes that can do medium to long rides properly equipped. Now if we can just get the aftermarket to take some chances and get 30-50% of the way towards what they do with Harley, you'll see more people take the Indian option more seriously.
I grew up always wanting a Harley but the Indian scout bobber caught my eye last year and I never looked back. I purchased my scout bobber last year. Which was my very first bike. I'm glad that I went with an Indian. When it comes to time to getting a touring bike, it'll definitely be the pursuit
I bought a 2022 Pursuit Limited in September of 2022 in Crimson and Maroon, like the one you showed. I had never owned a Harley in my life with over 50 years of riding. I've been a Suzuki rider for all of it. Finally, I decided it was time for a touring bike since I've retired. Mt trip to the Harley dealership was very bad. After asking what I was riding, the guy that I was dealing with bad mouthed my ride, and at that time, I turned around and left. After much research, I decided to go look at the Pursuit, and while I was there they asked what I was riding and there was no bad mouthing just interest then after sitting on the Pursuit I decided that was the bike for me. It was a huge step up from my 2003 Volusia 800 but well worth it. I'm outside of Baton Rouge, and I've only seen one Roadmaster in my area, but hopefully, there will be more coming, Indian makes a great bike.
I own a 2021 scout and have made many upgrades to it, (air, exhaust, tune, front and rear suspensions...) I friggin Love my Indian. It is my daily commuter bike and my explorer bike on the weekends. I have 15,000 miles on her so far and have Loved every one of them
Before I bought my brand new 2021 Indian Chieftain 116 Dark Horse, I looked at HD Street Glide, but it didn't handled as good as the Indian, didn't have the adjustable screen, more exclusive and here in England the Indian comes with a 5 year warranty as standard!
I know that there are probably some great dealers out there, but my local Indian dealer is definitely NOT one of them. Before I bought my current bike I was really interested in the Challenger. My local dealer is a powersports dealer with a much bigger emphasis on atvs, side by sides, and jet skis. I went to look at the Challenger and was completely ignored by the sales staff. They only had six new Indians total and after walking through the showroom and spending probably 15-20 minutes looking specifically in the Indian section, none of the staff ever spoke to me once. My Harley dealer is great, they have a huge selection of bikes and all the staff are friendly and everyone there speaks to you and asks to help you. I'm very happy with my dealer and my 2023 Street Glide Special.
I understand about the Indian dealership that sells lots of Japanese and ATVs. My local dealer was like that too. They don’t sell Indians anymore. I have to ride two hours to the closest Indian dealer, which I do, and I enjoy the ride there.
Spot on Dan - jumped on the Indian bandwagon 7 years ago, now on my third Indian, a 2023 Pursuit. In 50+ yrs of riding I’ve owned or ridden most every motorcycle brand out there. No one builds a better running or handling bike. Tons of power and good looks. I have had the same thoughts on the UA-camrs I follow and how they love the Indian bikes they are reviewing however continue to own HD. I get it. 180k HDs sold a year for a gazillion years vs 35k Indians a year for 10 years - that’s a very big following to alienate. Its a shame too. As always, your video is spot on and free from BS. Ride on
I appreciate your insight and fairness. I was a HD rider and now after lots of research and vids like yours my next bike will be a Chief Bobber Dark horse with ride command.
I bought a used 2022 with 4996 miles on it. Its was all stock with Stage 1 Indian pipes on it. I love it. Added a Saddleman seat, Deans highway bars back and front and a sissy bar with a pad. My wife and 3 little girls ride with me on it and love it! Headed to Indian Bike week this summer with my oldest daughter. 12! Love indian. Is my first cruiser and rode street bikes in my 20s.
Love my 2023 Indian Chief Darkhorse Bobber... I took my owneeship late this year, and now it sits in storage till Spring... or a really warm day this Autumn.. lol Even with the limited time spent on the road this year, in my area, so many people gave themselves whiplash when takeing a look at it as i drove past them.
I'm a Harley guy myself, but I'd like to see those that loathe the "Harley brand(ing)" and steer towards the metric brands, buy an Indian instead. Two successful American motorcycle brands can only be good for the consumer.
Right! That is one of the things that drew me into IMC initially was that they were so different and performed as well as they looked. The first time I cracked the throttle on the Challenger I was hooked. Good video GG.
walk into my local dealer gets treated as if you don't exist, did not had a indian dealer closed by, so i walk into a honda power sport and they show me and let me test at Rebell 1100, fell in love with it. Now i saw an indian sport chief and it is just a pefect sister to my Rebell. Just tested it and woe i love it. Indian look just. great
Sadly some Harley Fanboys will not try anyother motorcycle because to them everything on two wheels is a copy of a Harley! The Indian Sport Chief in my eyes looks nothing like a Harley low rider S, not in style or Engine including the front fairing not even close, The only thing is that is in that category of bike, Just like every manufacture has a Truck line up.
I’ve been riding since the early eighties. I’ve owned Hondas, Harley and bought my first Indian last year. I did extensive research and knew exactly what I wanted when I walked into the dealership. I had to special order my 2023 super chief limited icon. Well worth the 3 month wait. Extremely happy with my choice
Good point on it being algorithm driven. I've been happy with my 2019 Indian Springfield. One thing I miss about the old UA-cam before it became such a algorithm / business. So much more broadly interesting. Just because I watched a video on washer repair don't mean I want to be shown 50 appliance repair creators.
I 100% agree. I miss when it was more subscriber focused than it was algorithm focused. Only positive for me in this algorithm world is I feel I can make a video about anything I enjoy and if an algorithm favors that topic, it can introduce me to a bunch of new people. It’s kind of a double edged sword I guess but I do miss the old UA-cam.
i own my scout 2017 from day one on my channel with my own money 👍🏼 love it! also have a triumph, honda, royal enfield as well . Indian makes a great bike for sure. You tube views come from HD bc larger market to go after...... i'll keep riding my scout 6 years in and if ppl watch so be it. if not? oh well lol i'm NOT buying a brand for a channel. buying what i want nice talk Dan
Another problem Indian has is not having the network like HD. The closest dealer to me is 100 miles away and I had to drive even further to buy my Scout due to finding the model I wanted. I also did not even know much about Indian before stumbling upon them at a dealership by chance with a friend. I do not recall ever seeing a TV ad for Indian as well. People know the HD brand and relate to it as the top of the food chain in bikes.
I don't recall if it ran on TV, but I did see a 2016 Indian Scout Sixty commercial with Blues Saraceno playing. For me, The World's Fastest Indian primed me for the Indian brand's return.
Also HD stores are everywhere, local bike shops work on HD, and the amount of parts you can get for HD is endless. In my neck of the woods one Indian dealer. You better like them and their service department or you are SOL. Yes, I ride a HD but I would not say no to an Indian. Find a demo a day somewhere and check them out. I rode Indians and HDs for half a day. Two favorite rides were the sports chief and the breakout. Being 6’3 and 280, the breakout fit me better. But that Indian put a smile on my face. Sometimes it’s what speaks to you, what you can afford, and what others in your circle ride. But I am liking the competition as both products will hopefully get better!
A year ago, I made the best decision of my life by purchasing an Indian Scout Bobber. What sets Indian motorcycles apart for me is their rarity, encountering one outside is a distinctive experience, making it more unique. I prefer not to conform to popular trends and enjoy the exclusivity of riding an Indian. Any Indian motorcycle is a head-turner, providing an excellent riding experience that is truly worth your time. I've customized mine with a riser, a Saddlemen seat, and some Ohlin's shocks, and now it's absolutely perfect.
Good video. I agree with your comments. I think Indian needs to significantly increase their dealer network. I'm currently in the market for a new bike, and am deciding between the HD Low rider S, and the Indian Sport Chief. Where I live, there are three HD dealers within 30-40 minute ride, while only one Indian dealer that is almost 2 hours away. It's not a deal breaker for me, and am still considering the Sport Chief, but for many others this may be a key factor in their decision.
Literally editing a video right now comparing the map of Indian vs Harley locations in the US. Very interesting since the last time I did it in 2019, Indian added 12, Harley closed 92 (+/- a few if I messed up in pulling data but don’t think I did). Still some gaps on middle America and some cities where Harley has a handful of dealers but very interesting to see.
Cool bike, ride it safely! I wish an Indian were closer to me, I would 100% go take a look at - and test ride - what they've got! That's my biggest stumbling block... I like having 3 HD dealers within 45 mins of me.
Funny thing is that some 2-3 years ago, HD was literally ´shitting´ on any private content creator and only after plethora of youtubers were invited to multiple demo events by Indian Motorcycle and were speaking good about them and have a good time there, voilá - Motor Company make them a call...and as they were/are still mostly HD riders, you than have content like for current CVOs, where they are all talking about them as if HD invented some kind of a space ship, while in fact they barely ( I´mean generally ) catch up with Challenger/Pursuit platform. Never mind, when Indian Motorcycle do its homework, they are ahead again - business as usual. What is not usual, is that this time, it could be even ahead of also BMW, Honda etc. Therefore this competition is EXTREMELY good for both brands, although each has different cards to play including youtubers...
This is what’s holding me back from being full Indian motorcycle rider too. I’m excited to see what competition has these two MoCo bringing out in the coming years. Indian just needs more time to establish that linage of the Thunderstroke motor.
I'm going to start a UA-cam channel for the Indian sport chief i just bought because of this reason. There isn't much to watch on UA-cam and it was very frustrating trying to buy aftermarket parts.
I originally started watching your channel when I was researching the Heritage. Your input helped me make a decision to purchase one. My experience with my first Heritage convinced me to purchase a second one a month ago when I was shopping for something lighter than the Road Glide Limited I was riding. You had a video out some time back where you created a dealership map for HD and Indian. My local dealer is a BMW/Indian/Triumph dealer and while I loved my GS 1250 Adventure my experience with them was less than great so I tend to shy away from them. Dealler network is a key for me. Until Indian addresses this by opening more dealers and monitoring what their dealers are doing they will never be in the same (sales) league with HD I don't think. Then again...what do I know I'm just a Harley guy. I will say that Indian's Challenger is likely a superior bike to the Road Glide from a performance and suspension point of view. Would I buy one...I won't say never but I would say probably not just due to looks alone. I've never been a big fan of the looks. I know, it's subjective but I'm honest. As for tech, HD is way behind Indian but they're making progress. Like you said...one bite at a time. Harley isn't famous for making fast bikes and their technology department moves just as fast. LOL. There's a million things Harley could improve to make the brand better. The way I feel when I'm riding mine isn't one of them.
You make some great points. What I will share with you is my own experience, as someone who rode mostly Harley baggers for the last 30 years. I do part time chauffeur rides in Melbourne Australia, and despite having twin fan oil coolers etc on my stripped 2009 Ultra Classic, I was burning up in summer heat and traffic in Melbourne, as were my passengers. When the liquid cooled Challenger came out I watched with great interest. 18 months later, I bought a brand new 21 Challenger Limited. Seriously, it's THE best bike I have owned, and I have ridden and owned many many makes of bikes over my 53 years of riding. What do I like? 1/ It RELISHES the heat-sounds crazy but I NEVER see the temp gauge over 215F! (try that on an M8 Harley). 2/ It handles superbly for such a big bike. 3/ The Fox mono shock suspension IS brilliant. EVERY customer I have had comments on how comfortable the bike was when the ride is finished. 4/ It has a VERY strong motor and crank, and with the liquid cooling should last a long time. 5/ It's different! Strongly recommend you try and get an extended ride. It's a BIG bike, but when you get acclimatised to the inverted forks, Brembo brakes, and great suspension you will realise how damn good this bike really is. Cheers.
@@GraemeBlore like I said probably a better bike. I think my main issue with Indian isn’t with Indian. It’s Polaris. I keep going back to the guy who bought a z victory on Friday and ride the heck out of it all weekend only to get an email on Monday telling them that Victory was out of business. I understand that it was a business decision, but phasing them out would have left a better feeling for me as opposed to just the abandonment policy they adopted. 120 years straight. Hard to beat that record. I test rode one of the Indian bike…the one with the “batwing” style fairing that had been hopped up. It hauled “you know what”. The performance was impressive. I tell people if they’re looking for a fast bike they’re in the wrong dealership. For what I paid for my Limited I could have bought 4 600cc sport bikes that would run circles around it. Luckily for me I’ve always been slow. Now I’m old and slow. LOL
@@hcamardelle, fair enough, although Harley wasn't Harley during the 70's. It was AMF. Just saying. For me 120 years is irrelevant too if the manufacturer becomes lazy, which is exactly what I reckon happened to HD, till Indian put a rocket up them with the Challenger. Good for all of us to have healthy competition. We get better quality bikes and THAT'S what counts imo.
I live my sport chief....the new chief line only came out in 22 so over the next couple years the aftermarket will hioefully start making some cool stuff
This was a good video with a great question. The problem truly is Indian motorcycles are missing the organic factor. I create content and I also ride a Indian. I would be glad to make a response video to your video to give you a more in-depth view from a actual Indian owners .
I ride a 2015 Chief Vintage.My Harley riding friends hate my bike because when people check out my bike and ask about it and I am talking old and young folks look at it and then walk right past the Harleys.Then I here the same stuff "it's not a real Indian". Then the get on how many Harley dealerships there are vs.Indian.Now I have owned many Harleys in my time but my buddies seen to forget that and try to educate me on their bikes,I have to remind them of their short memories.I love my Chief it fast out of the box,you dont have to put hundreds of dollars into it to make it run fast well as fast as a cruiser can get.I find that die hard Harley riders don't even know about the various Indian models.I guess they think that if they ignore them they don't exist. I am 72 years old and have been riding since I was 16 so I have seen a lot of stuff.Iv'e seen riders come and go.Well I digress.
Another point to make is the aftermarket support and how that affects the algorithm: Harley has a seemingly endless amount of aftermarket parts that people can customize with and make their bikes any style or theme they want. And people genuinely like to watch other people customize their bikes and watch informatively on how to install parts, I hope with all the positive reviews of Indian, as mentioned in the video, the demand for the aftermarket Indian parts drives to compete with HD.
When we got our new ride in 2020...we considered Indian...but the closest dealer was 3.5 hrs away....I would have love to test one. So I went with Harley....my dealer is only 1 hr away. Great video...thanks for sharing...stay safe out there!!😎🤙👍🤙👍🇨🇦
I mean if you are 3.5 hours from an Indian dealer and an hour from an HD temperature, you live in the freakin boondocks. Just saying. Not Indian's fault.
I agree with what you're saying. Finding videos on the dark chief that AREN'T mainstream reviewers with the boring ass stock ass pipes straight out of the dealership is annoying. You just cannot find videos of people with custom dark cheifs or upgraded dark chiefs with full in depth videos with all the GOOD information about what you can actually do with the bike. You cant even find information on how to deactivate anti wheelie and ride modes and the bikes been around for years . UA-cam algorithmn is doing Indian dirty . If you got a harley don't matter what year what model you'll find all sorts of videos on the bike.
I have a Indian pursuit and I’m trying to grow UA-cam channel with it. I know I still need to get better with content but I’m trying. Hopefully having something different will help on top of it being a awesome bike
I recently traded my 2022 Holda Goldwing Tour DCT for the Indian Chieftain Darkhorse and I couldnt be happier about it. The Honda is amazing but the Indian gave me back a clutch and that visceral experiance I was looking for. It's a great product and I shall be sticking with Indian going forward if they keep down this road. I live close to Hartford Connecticut and have three dealers within 80 miles and the closest is just 35 miles from me so I lucked out. I went initially to Harley and test rode the Street Glide Special. They wanted 39845 bucks for it though and it was a Cow to get it into Neutral. The indian has more power, Better handling, LEDs all round, Remote locking saddlebags, It went into neutral and it's 7 grand cheaper. Greedy Harley dealer.
When it came time to buy my bike, the sport chief just released. I went to the only Indian dealership near me and wasn’t even allowed to sit on the bike. I was the only customer there. I Walked out, went to a Harley dealership and literally sat on every bike, was served lunch, talked with other riders that stopped by, got a tour of the service dept and ultimately got a brand new FXLRS. I’ve been on rides with the guy that sold me the bike. Ain’t no way Indian holds a candle to that type of customer service. Indian did more to sell me on a Harley than the HD dealership staff.
I am 100000% positive that even the best dealerships in the country have a customer or two who have left completely pissed off for a myriad of reasons. Your one interaction with that dealer on that day is hardly a reflection on the brand no more than a Harley dealer who treats a customer like they aren’t a serious buyer. I can assure you that local dealer lets people sit on bikes otherwise they would sell zero bikes and not be in business. There is more to that story. Either you had a bad salesman, there was a safety concern, or maybe the bike you were trying to sit on was sold. There is more to this story than “Indian dealers don’t let you sit on bikes”
As a sports bike guy I love the look of the Sports Chief and would love to have one but if it came down to it I'd probably buy the Harley Lowrider S simply for the resale value and aftermarket/factory support that I know I'd get with a Harley. Feels almost unfair on the Indian but it feels like the safer choice when the bikes are so comparable.
I have noticed too about Indians not being promoted openly... weird enough I thought I d find their kiosk at our annual motorbike show but nada just H-D bikes... Anyways even if my first love was a H-D bike, my first purchase will be an Indian 🫶
For me, Harley just has more mechanics more merch more parts. HD corporate kind of sucks, but I like the ease of access. My closest Indian dealer is 150 miles away. I didn’t want to keep having to ride there for any warranty work or issues I might have had. But I love running into Indian riders out on the roads.
That is why, should I choose a smaller bike, my next purchase may very well be a Royal Enfield. The guy who owns the company is truly a motorcycle guy. Much like Soichiro Honda, Who believed that performance and quality were the first priority.
My only gripe is they gotta cool it with the matte paint. It's so lazy and played out. I feel like they have more matte than gloss paint jobs in the bikes I like. Also the rear fender on the chief is just strange looking.
I'm gonna buy an Indian motorcycle 🏍️, I'm actually the opposite I don't follow people I don't follow what others have. If everyone have Harley doesn't mean that I have to have one
Seems like all I see on UA-cam is how this new Indian model and that new Indian model are all Harley killers. But I never see em on the road. They look cool. But I’ve still only seen the scout in person.
I think if Indian could adjust their price point a bit , that would help. A lot of the mindset may be “If I have to spend that much money, I might as well buy a Harley.” Not a dig at Indian either . Sounds like they’re putting out a very solid product . Shoutout to your uncle 😂
See that's what I don't get about the American cruiser rider mind set. Indians, as a rule, have superior engines, superior transmissions, superior electrics/tech, and superior suspension. So, if I were making the choice between the 2 at the same price point? I'm taking the Indian 10 times out of 10. What does the HD offer? Paint?
Negative. Indian has far more value to "pricepoint." (Why not just say price??) Indian is gaining marketshare every year. HD is the one trying to stay in business at this point. Edit: only HD owners want to be tubers lol
@@LARGO125 Yeah, but when you buy a Harley you get to spend a premium to then continue spending more to make the bike better! Imagine buying a good bike right from the showroom floor, that'd be stupid.
Is Indian still built in the USA? My CVO and Road Guide both made in Thailand and both I sold due to way too many issues from engine to software and that’s 2 different bikes, same issues.
Nice video. You are clearly impressed wit h the Indian's you have ridden. They are definitely great bikes on paper -- I have never ridden one. Funny enough, one of my riding buddies and I were just discussing yesterday that there is no Indian dealership in Los Angeles, and we can't figure out why? Indian, if you are listening, reach out to me and let's talk about it!
There is Indian Motorcycle of Orange County 30 miles south of LA and Riverside Indian in Corona. I think LA is particularly spoiled by the absurdity of the bakers dozen of Harley dealers in the area which I think is absurdly over saturated but very interesting hearing from someone in that area.
@@GearsGadgets we do have a number of Harley dealers in/around LA. Keep in mind, though, that LA county is massive -- over 4700 square miles! From my house to Corona is 70 miles. On a good day, that's an hour and a half away in some of the worst traffic in the country. I can't imagine buying a bike that I would have to take so far away for service. No idea why no one has opened an Indian dealership here, or why Indian doesn't open a factory owned one. We need it!
@@TheJedRides I am currently editing a revisit of my 2019 video where I mapped all of the Harley and Indian dealers and it’s pretty interesting how the landscape has changed in 4 years. It should be published sometime this week.
@TheJedRides If you get the chance, both the OC and Corona locations are worth the visit. I've been shopping and comparing the Chieftain and the Street Glide. What I can't abide is that my local HD dealers added markups on bikes. I found the Street Glide that I wanted at a local dealer here in OC, but they wanted EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS more in dealer markup on top of the usual shipping, prep, theft or whatever fees. That put my "dream bike" ten grand over MSRP and that didn't include tax and license. You can't negotiate a good deal when you're starting behind such a large negative equity. You are on to a good idea with Polaris owned dealers. Without going into the negatives, the pros would be that there's 25 Polaris deales between LA and San Diego and only Six Indian dealers between OC and San Diego. Now if they only made a white Chieftain Limited.....
@@Hendomonster thanks, I do want to check out the Indians. Unless you're looking at the new CVO, you should be able to buy a Street Glide from a SoCal HD dealer at or under MSRP before freight, tax and registration.
Probably because the percentage of Polaris motorcycles sold is a tiny fraction of the number of Harley’s sold each year. Latest official stats put them at less than 3% of domestic sales compared to nearly 30% for HD.
Just to let people know that a friend recently purchased a scout bobber 1.5 weeks ago brand new and has lost acceleration engine light on. It turns on no problem mechanically it’s wonderful but no throttle. Under warranty of course. Dealership will Pug in & see. Not discouraging just a little annoying for my friend. Understandably electronics can go haywire. At the moment my friend’s bobber & another are the only 2 silver type colours available in Australia. Forgot the exact paint colour name. Apparently 2 of a kind at the moment available in Australia.
I see Indian videos all over the place. Of course, once you start googling them, you get tons of them dumped in your feed. That applies to pretty much any topic.
Sport Chief has 29.5 degree lean angle.,.which is 1 degree more than a standard Chief. What a joke, considering my Roadmaster has 31 degrees. Any bike called "sport" needs at the very least 32 degrees IMHO. When Harleys are out-leaning your design, you've got a problem.
Indian needs to also flood the market with their bikes so more people see more of them on the road thus adding to trust in the brand. Bottom line is Harley is generally cheaper and has way more of a cult like following than Indian.
I Have both brands and some.. from what I can see.. Indians are made better..and cost less. I say this, because the Thunderstroke has one piece crankshaft, and counterbalances.. gear driven cams and primary.. so I would be more apt to do mild performance upgrades, re-Cams exhaust and intake, vs the HD.. without having to worry about Crank runout issues.. correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you need tighter tolerances, if you are going to run gear driven cams and primary's.. vs a chain..
Nonsense on the algorithm. Purchasers will actively type in "Indian" (or whatever brand) when they want to research a bike to buy and they will see all the Indian content they want.
That is true for purchasers but untrue for where the overwhelming majority of UA-cam views come from which is the “recommended” on the home page. Algorithm gaming is the modern SEO conversations from a decade ago to make sure your website was higher than others when someone googled “Motorcycles” Side note, it’s increasingly becoming untrue for even specific search terms as the algorithm is “suggesting” content that is merely loosely affiliated with what you searched. You might have to scroll down 5-10 videos before you see what you specifically searched.
Not just UA-cam but they want to be part of the cult or culture! I question each one that reviews the Indians that same thing! If it’s so great put your money where your mouth is! I am on my third Indian! A Pursuit premium! Best motorcycle out there! Same to you! Put one in your garage!
Most people including myself are lucky enough to ever own ONE motorcycle let alone have the financial freedom burn money proving points on social media to faceless commenters. Fortunately I already have my 2018 Heritage which I love but I bought before I ever considered looking at an Indian. I know more today than I knew then. If I were buying a motorcycle today which I am not (not because I don’t want to, but because financially it’s not in the cards). It would absolutely be an Indian Pursuit.
@@m3talc0re its a self righteous clarification by walking embodiments of the “Ackchyually” meme. People who think they are outsmarting others with a witty passive aggressive comment. It’s a pretentious comment by Harley fanboys pretending Polaris isn’t another American motorcycle manufacturer building dope ass motorcycles. I say this as a Harley owner who loves my motorcycle but isn’t blinded by thinking one publicly traded corporation is inherently cooler than the other. It’s just as cool as a girl who thinks Starbucks is worthy of being woven into their identity.
@@GearsGadgets You seem to be on your own little self righteous passive aggressive rant there. And I don't care. I don't give a shit if it's made by Polaris. But all this bullshit about them having heritage and Polaris, sorry, Indian "1901" does bother me. The new "Indians" have no heritage. They're rebadged Victories. You assume too much. I like many bikes, I almost got a Scout Bobber, so you can quit your crying about "harley fanboys". Anyway, I'm done with this. Go enjoy your jet ski.
@@m3talc0re lol so much capping in your reply I don’t know where to begin. How about Harley’s heritage where for 8 years they were AMF yet they still say since 1903? You are undoubtedly a Harley fanboy otherwise your comment wouldn’t have a reason to have been written. At what point are you just getting your panties in a bunch over publicly traded corporate marketing strategies? The hilarity of “I almost bought a scout bobber” immediately followed by “go enjoy your jet ski” is the only bullshit here. There is absolutely nothing passive or self righteous about my rant whatsoever. I’m calling a spade a spade and you’re right, I would enjoy a Polaris Jetski just as much as I would a Slingshot, an Indian Pursuit, or my 2018 Harley Davidson Heritage. They are all dope products and all make me (and bitter you) happy when you get a chance to enjoy them. Getting mad about any of it is absurd but I do appreciate the back and forth helping my channel along in the algorithm.
I just bought a sport chief a month ago. The bike is a monster.
I agree. I took one for a test ride a couple of weeks ago up at Indian Ballarat. (see GB Bike TV Australia). I LOVED the power and the light weight of the bike. SO well balanced too.
I've got a Super Chief Limited with the Stage 2 kit and a PC6. It's well worth the upgrade. Turns it into a real monster. Shame I don't have the dual disc front end....
Comments like these make me feel I need a Chief in my life!
Nice bike, indeed. However there is one Monster and it is called Ducati Monster. There is another one more monsterious and that is Diavel.
@@joevsfood I could say the same to you. You didn't understand me either, did you?,... and I do understand hyperbole, don't worry about my life, it's not sad at all. Cheers.
I'm a "youtuber" who has converted my entire channel to center around Indian. I do happen to think they build, at the very least, an equivalent platform that ticks the boxes of being American made, good technology and gives you more for your dollar than Harley does. I think that while Indian does indeed have an uphill battle, Polaris is a far larger company and can supply the capital it takes to allow Indian to iterate their bikes and slowly take back some of the behemoth market share of HD. I've taken the risk and hope others do as well by making content surrounded by Indian and I do think that the UA-cam space is important to Indian/Polaris as most people researching their next bike head to YT to see reviews etc. I agree with your assessments in this video. My 2023 Indian Pursuit is a fantastic bike and my wife's 2023 Sport Chief is amazing....and we're basically converting it into a Super Chief (eqiv to Heritage). I think the Sport Chief can and will be a fantastic do it all bike with better suspension/brakes that can do medium to long rides properly equipped. Now if we can just get the aftermarket to take some chances and get 30-50% of the way towards what they do with Harley, you'll see more people take the Indian option more seriously.
I grew up always wanting a Harley but the Indian scout bobber caught my eye last year and I never looked back. I purchased my scout bobber last year. Which was my very first bike. I'm glad that I went with an Indian. When it comes to time to getting a touring bike, it'll definitely be the pursuit
I bought a 2022 Pursuit Limited in September of 2022 in Crimson and Maroon, like the one you showed. I had never owned a Harley in my life with over 50 years of riding. I've been a Suzuki rider for all of it. Finally, I decided it was time for a touring bike since I've retired. Mt trip to the Harley dealership was very bad. After asking what I was riding, the guy that I was dealing with bad mouthed my ride, and at that time, I turned around and left. After much research, I decided to go look at the Pursuit, and while I was there they asked what I was riding and there was no bad mouthing just interest then after sitting on the Pursuit I decided that was the bike for me. It was a huge step up from my 2003 Volusia 800 but well worth it. I'm outside of Baton Rouge, and I've only seen one Roadmaster in my area, but hopefully, there will be more coming, Indian makes a great bike.
I own a 2021 scout and have made many upgrades to it, (air, exhaust, tune, front and rear suspensions...) I friggin Love my Indian. It is my daily commuter bike and my explorer bike on the weekends. I have 15,000 miles on her so far and have Loved every one of them
On my 2nd Indian, great machines. Aftermarket options are incredibly slim unfortunately, that’s the one thing I struggle with.
I like my 2016 Chief Vintage. I am happy with it.
Before I bought my brand new 2021 Indian Chieftain 116 Dark Horse, I looked at HD Street Glide, but it didn't handled as good as the Indian, didn't have the adjustable screen, more exclusive and here in England the Indian comes with a 5 year warranty as standard!
I know that there are probably some great dealers out there, but my local Indian dealer is definitely NOT one of them. Before I bought my current bike I was really interested in the Challenger. My local dealer is a powersports dealer with a much bigger emphasis on atvs, side by sides, and jet skis. I went to look at the Challenger and was completely ignored by the sales staff. They only had six new Indians total and after walking through the showroom and spending probably 15-20 minutes looking specifically in the Indian section, none of the staff ever spoke to me once. My Harley dealer is great, they have a huge selection of bikes and all the staff are friendly and everyone there speaks to you and asks to help you. I'm very happy with my dealer and my 2023 Street Glide Special.
I understand about the Indian dealership that sells lots of Japanese and ATVs. My local dealer was like that too. They don’t sell Indians anymore. I have to ride two hours to the closest Indian dealer, which I do, and I enjoy the ride there.
Spot on Dan - jumped on the Indian bandwagon 7 years ago, now on my third Indian, a 2023 Pursuit. In 50+ yrs of riding I’ve owned or ridden most every motorcycle brand out there. No one builds a better running or handling bike. Tons of power and good looks. I have had the same thoughts on the UA-camrs I follow and how they love the Indian bikes they are reviewing however continue to own HD. I get it. 180k HDs sold a year for a gazillion years vs 35k Indians a year for 10 years - that’s a very big following to alienate. Its a shame too. As always, your video is spot on and free from BS. Ride on
I appreciate your insight and fairness. I was a HD rider and now after lots of research and vids like yours my next bike will be a Chief Bobber Dark horse with ride command.
I bought a used 2022 with 4996 miles on it. Its was all stock with Stage 1 Indian pipes on it. I love it. Added a Saddleman seat, Deans highway bars back and front and a sissy bar with a pad. My wife and 3 little girls ride with me on it and love it! Headed to Indian Bike week this summer with my oldest daughter. 12! Love indian. Is my first cruiser and rode street bikes in my 20s.
Love my 2023 Indian Chief Darkhorse Bobber...
I took my owneeship late this year, and now it sits in storage till Spring... or a really warm day this Autumn.. lol
Even with the limited time spent on the road this year, in my area, so many people gave themselves whiplash when takeing a look at it as i drove past them.
I'm a Harley guy myself, but I'd like to see those that loathe the "Harley brand(ing)" and steer towards the metric brands, buy an Indian instead. Two successful American motorcycle brands can only be good for the consumer.
My stunning 2019 Indian Springfield in steel gray and burgundy metallic, and I concur, Cruiser Heaven, all day, every day!
Right! That is one of the things that drew me into IMC initially was that they were so different and performed as well as they looked. The first time I cracked the throttle on the Challenger I was hooked. Good video GG.
I’m in love with the Indian brand. I had a scout first, and now on the Springfield dark horse.
walk into my local dealer gets treated as if you don't exist, did not had a indian dealer closed by, so i walk into a honda power sport and they show me and let me test at Rebell 1100, fell in love with it. Now i saw an indian sport chief and it is just a pefect sister to my Rebell. Just tested it and woe i love it. Indian look just. great
Sadly some Harley Fanboys will not try anyother motorcycle because to them everything on two wheels is a copy of a Harley! The Indian Sport Chief in my eyes looks nothing like a Harley low rider S, not in style or Engine including the front fairing not even close, The only thing is that is in that category of bike, Just like every manufacture has a Truck line up.
Ok Kudos , I'm in agreement . Harley owner and picking up my 2023 Indian Super Chief this weekend .
Hows it been holding up
I’ve been riding since the early eighties. I’ve owned Hondas, Harley and bought my first Indian last year. I did extensive research and knew exactly what I wanted when I walked into the dealership. I had to special order my 2023 super chief limited icon. Well worth the 3 month wait. Extremely happy with my choice
Oddly, I've never ridden a new Indian. I really should go demo one. Fantastic job sharing your thoughts on the heritage softail vs. the sport chief.
Good point on it being algorithm driven. I've been happy with my 2019 Indian Springfield. One thing I miss about the old UA-cam before it became such a algorithm / business. So much more broadly interesting. Just because I watched a video on washer repair don't mean I want to be shown 50 appliance repair creators.
I 100% agree. I miss when it was more subscriber focused than it was algorithm focused. Only positive for me in this algorithm world is I feel I can make a video about anything I enjoy and if an algorithm favors that topic, it can introduce me to a bunch of new people. It’s kind of a double edged sword I guess but I do miss the old UA-cam.
I own a 23 Sport Chief and a 23 FTR Carbon, I love both my bikes!
Almost finished customizing my Scout Bobber. This is my second bike with the 10 inch risers.
i own my scout 2017 from day one on my channel with my own money 👍🏼 love it! also have a triumph, honda, royal enfield as well . Indian makes a great bike for sure. You tube views come from HD bc larger market to go after...... i'll keep riding my scout 6 years in and if ppl watch so be it. if not? oh well lol i'm NOT buying a brand for a channel. buying what i want nice talk Dan
Another problem Indian has is not having the network like HD. The closest dealer to me is 100 miles away and I had to drive even further to buy my Scout due to finding the model I wanted. I also did not even know much about Indian before stumbling upon them at a dealership by chance with a friend. I do not recall ever seeing a TV ad for Indian as well. People know the HD brand and relate to it as the top of the food chain in bikes.
I don't recall if it ran on TV, but I did see a 2016 Indian Scout Sixty commercial with Blues Saraceno playing. For me, The World's Fastest Indian primed me for the Indian brand's return.
I post a few videos on my spare time sadly only 17 subscribers but I guess that’s part of the UA-cam growth. I ride a 2018 Indian Roadmaster.
Also HD stores are everywhere, local bike shops work on HD, and the amount of parts you can get for HD is endless. In my neck of the woods one Indian dealer. You better like them and their service department or you are SOL. Yes, I ride a HD but I would not say no to an Indian. Find a demo a day somewhere and check them out. I rode Indians and HDs for half a day. Two favorite rides were the sports chief and the breakout. Being 6’3 and 280, the breakout fit me better. But that Indian put a smile on my face. Sometimes it’s what speaks to you, what you can afford, and what others in your circle ride. But I am liking the competition as both products will hopefully get better!
Went from a Scout Bobber to a Sport Chief and love it. Just got exhaust/tune/intake and cannot wait to experience it now 😍
How’s the performance difference? Is the bobber faster on top end? I currently have a bobber and it’s pretty quick.
@@Zeus-ji3kd they are both fast. I don’t have to really twist the throttle and red line it now though.
In your video, your voice us completely clear and the engine is silent. That’s the way I like it.
A year ago, I made the best decision of my life by purchasing an Indian Scout Bobber. What sets Indian motorcycles apart for me is their rarity, encountering one outside is a distinctive experience, making it more unique. I prefer not to conform to popular trends and enjoy the exclusivity of riding an Indian.
Any Indian motorcycle is a head-turner, providing an excellent riding experience that is truly worth your time. I've customized mine with a riser, a Saddlemen seat, and some Ohlin's shocks, and now it's absolutely perfect.
Good video. I agree with your comments. I think Indian needs to significantly increase their dealer network. I'm currently in the market for a new bike, and am deciding between the HD Low rider S, and the Indian Sport Chief. Where I live, there are three HD dealers within 30-40 minute ride, while only one Indian dealer that is almost 2 hours away. It's not a deal breaker for me, and am still considering the Sport Chief, but for many others this may be a key factor in their decision.
Literally editing a video right now comparing the map of Indian vs Harley locations in the US. Very interesting since the last time I did it in 2019, Indian added 12, Harley closed 92 (+/- a few if I messed up in pulling data but don’t think I did). Still some gaps on middle America and some cities where Harley has a handful of dealers but very interesting to see.
Thats the reasons why im gonna buy one...
Cool bike, ride it safely! I wish an Indian were closer to me, I would 100% go take a look at - and test ride - what they've got! That's my biggest stumbling block... I like having 3 HD dealers within 45 mins of me.
Funny thing is that some 2-3 years ago, HD was literally ´shitting´ on any private content creator and only after plethora of youtubers were invited to multiple demo events by Indian Motorcycle and were speaking good about them and have a good time there, voilá - Motor Company make them a call...and as they were/are still mostly HD riders, you than have content like for current CVOs, where they are all talking about them as if HD invented some kind of a space ship, while in fact they barely ( I´mean generally ) catch up with Challenger/Pursuit platform. Never mind, when Indian Motorcycle do its homework, they are ahead again - business as usual. What is not usual, is that this time, it could be even ahead of also BMW, Honda etc. Therefore this competition is EXTREMELY good for both brands, although each has different cards to play including youtubers...
I went HD because of the aftermarket support. When I modified my metric, it was a pain, and I needed to fabricate parts.
This is what’s holding me back from being full Indian motorcycle rider too. I’m excited to see what competition has these two MoCo bringing out in the coming years. Indian just needs more time to establish that linage of the Thunderstroke motor.
I'm going to start a UA-cam channel for the Indian sport chief i just bought because of this reason. There isn't much to watch on UA-cam and it was very frustrating trying to buy aftermarket parts.
Ding ding ding! You win the big prize. Eyeballs…😎
I originally started watching your channel when I was researching the Heritage. Your input helped me make a decision to purchase one. My experience with my first Heritage convinced me to purchase a second one a month ago when I was shopping for something lighter than the Road Glide Limited I was riding. You had a video out some time back where you created a dealership map for HD and Indian. My local dealer is a BMW/Indian/Triumph dealer and while I loved my GS 1250 Adventure my experience with them was less than great so I tend to shy away from them. Dealler network is a key for me. Until Indian addresses this by opening more dealers and monitoring what their dealers are doing they will never be in the same (sales) league with HD I don't think. Then again...what do I know I'm just a Harley guy.
I will say that Indian's Challenger is likely a superior bike to the Road Glide from a performance and suspension point of view. Would I buy one...I won't say never but I would say probably not just due to looks alone. I've never been a big fan of the looks. I know, it's subjective but I'm honest. As for tech, HD is way behind Indian but they're making progress. Like you said...one bite at a time. Harley isn't famous for making fast bikes and their technology department moves just as fast. LOL.
There's a million things Harley could improve to make the brand better. The way I feel when I'm riding mine isn't one of them.
You make some great points. What I will share with you is my own experience, as someone who rode mostly Harley baggers for the last 30 years. I do part time chauffeur rides in Melbourne Australia, and despite having twin fan oil coolers etc on my stripped 2009 Ultra Classic, I was burning up in summer heat and traffic in Melbourne, as were my passengers. When the liquid cooled Challenger came out I watched with great interest. 18 months later, I bought a brand new 21 Challenger Limited. Seriously, it's THE best bike I have owned, and I have ridden and owned many many makes of bikes over my 53 years of riding. What do I like? 1/ It RELISHES the heat-sounds crazy but I NEVER see the temp gauge over 215F! (try that on an M8 Harley). 2/ It handles superbly for such a big bike. 3/ The Fox mono shock suspension IS brilliant. EVERY customer I have had comments on how comfortable the bike was when the ride is finished. 4/ It has a VERY strong motor and crank, and with the liquid cooling should last a long time. 5/ It's different! Strongly recommend you try and get an extended ride. It's a BIG bike, but when you get acclimatised to the inverted forks, Brembo brakes, and great suspension you will realise how damn good this bike really is. Cheers.
@@GraemeBlore like I said probably a better bike. I think my main issue with Indian isn’t with Indian. It’s Polaris.
I keep going back to the guy who bought a z victory on Friday and ride the heck out of it all weekend only to get an email on Monday telling them that Victory was out of business. I understand that it was a business decision, but phasing them out would have left a better feeling for me as opposed to just the abandonment policy they adopted.
120 years straight. Hard to beat that record.
I test rode one of the Indian bike…the one with the “batwing” style fairing that had been hopped up. It hauled “you know what”. The performance was impressive.
I tell people if they’re looking for a fast bike they’re in the wrong dealership. For what I paid for my Limited I could have bought 4 600cc sport bikes that would run circles around it.
Luckily for me I’ve always been slow. Now I’m old and slow. LOL
@@hcamardelle, fair enough, although Harley wasn't Harley during the 70's. It was AMF. Just saying. For me 120 years is irrelevant too if the manufacturer becomes lazy, which is exactly what I reckon happened to HD, till Indian put a rocket up them with the Challenger. Good for all of us to have healthy competition. We get better quality bikes and THAT'S what counts imo.
I live my sport chief....the new chief line only came out in 22 so over the next couple years the aftermarket will hioefully start making some cool stuff
This was a good video with a great question. The problem truly is Indian motorcycles are missing the organic factor. I create content and I also ride a Indian. I would be glad to make a response video to your video to give you a more in-depth view from a actual Indian owners .
Would love to see a response video from an Indian owner.
I ride a 2015 Chief Vintage.My Harley riding friends hate my bike because when people check out my bike and ask about it and I am talking old and young folks look at it and then walk right past the Harleys.Then I here the same stuff "it's not a real Indian". Then the get on how many Harley dealerships there are vs.Indian.Now I have owned many Harleys in my time but my buddies seen to forget that and try to educate me on their bikes,I have to remind them of their short memories.I love my Chief it fast out of the box,you dont have to put hundreds of dollars into it to make it run fast well as fast as a cruiser can get.I find that die hard Harley riders don't even know about the various Indian models.I guess they think that if they ignore them they don't exist. I am 72 years old and have been riding since I was 16 so I have seen a lot of stuff.Iv'e seen riders come and go.Well I digress.
Another point to make is the aftermarket support and how that affects the algorithm: Harley has a seemingly endless amount of aftermarket parts that people can customize with and make their bikes any style or theme they want. And people genuinely like to watch other people customize their bikes and watch informatively on how to install parts, I hope with all the positive reviews of Indian, as mentioned in the video, the demand for the aftermarket Indian parts drives to compete with HD.
When we got our new ride in 2020...we considered Indian...but the closest dealer was 3.5 hrs away....I would have love to test one. So I went with Harley....my dealer is only 1 hr away. Great video...thanks for sharing...stay safe out there!!😎🤙👍🤙👍🇨🇦
I mean if you are 3.5 hours from an Indian dealer and an hour from an HD temperature, you live in the freakin boondocks. Just saying. Not Indian's fault.
I agree with what you're saying. Finding videos on the dark chief that AREN'T mainstream reviewers with the boring ass stock ass pipes straight out of the dealership is annoying. You just cannot find videos of people with custom dark cheifs or upgraded dark chiefs with full in depth videos with all the GOOD information about what you can actually do with the bike. You cant even find information on how to deactivate anti wheelie and ride modes and the bikes been around for years . UA-cam algorithmn is doing Indian dirty . If you got a harley don't matter what year what model you'll find all sorts of videos on the bike.
I have a Indian pursuit and I’m trying to grow UA-cam channel with it. I know I still need to get better with content but I’m trying. Hopefully having something different will help on top of it being a awesome bike
I recently traded my 2022 Holda Goldwing Tour DCT for the Indian Chieftain Darkhorse and I couldnt be happier about it. The Honda is amazing but the Indian gave me back a clutch and that visceral experiance I was looking for. It's a great product and I shall be sticking with Indian going forward if they keep down this road. I live close to Hartford Connecticut and have three dealers within 80 miles and the closest is just 35 miles from me so I lucked out. I went initially to Harley and test rode the Street Glide Special. They wanted 39845 bucks for it though and it was a Cow to get it into Neutral. The indian has more power, Better handling, LEDs all round, Remote locking saddlebags, It went into neutral and it's 7 grand cheaper. Greedy Harley dealer.
When it came time to buy my bike, the sport chief just released. I went to the only Indian dealership near me and wasn’t even allowed to sit on the bike. I was the only customer there. I Walked out, went to a Harley dealership and literally sat on every bike, was served lunch, talked with other riders that stopped by, got a tour of the service dept and ultimately got a brand new FXLRS. I’ve been on rides with the guy that sold me the bike. Ain’t no way Indian holds a candle to that type of customer service. Indian did more to sell me on a Harley than the HD dealership staff.
I am 100000% positive that even the best dealerships in the country have a customer or two who have left completely pissed off for a myriad of reasons. Your one interaction with that dealer on that day is hardly a reflection on the brand no more than a Harley dealer who treats a customer like they aren’t a serious buyer. I can assure you that local dealer lets people sit on bikes otherwise they would sell zero bikes and not be in business. There is more to that story. Either you had a bad salesman, there was a safety concern, or maybe the bike you were trying to sit on was sold. There is more to this story than “Indian dealers don’t let you sit on bikes”
Really good video
Thanks!
I bought a Scout last year, but I'm thinking of an upgrade. I'm looking at this model or a Chief Dark Horse. Thanks for the video.
As a sports bike guy I love the look of the Sports Chief and would love to have one but if it came down to it I'd probably buy the Harley Lowrider S simply for the resale value and aftermarket/factory support that I know I'd get with a Harley. Feels almost unfair on the Indian but it feels like the safer choice when the bikes are so comparable.
I have noticed too about Indians not being promoted openly... weird enough I thought I d find their kiosk at our annual motorbike show but nada just H-D bikes...
Anyways even if my first love was a H-D bike, my first purchase will be an Indian 🫶
Man you hit it on the head about why some people bought Harley
For me, Harley just has more mechanics more merch more parts. HD corporate kind of sucks, but I like the ease of access. My closest Indian dealer is 150 miles away. I didn’t want to keep having to ride there for any warranty work or issues I might have had. But I love running into Indian riders out on the roads.
That is why, should I choose a smaller bike, my next purchase may very well be a Royal Enfield. The guy who owns the company is truly a motorcycle guy. Much like Soichiro Honda, Who believed that performance and quality were the first priority.
I think that part of Indian’s problem is that there’s a lack of aftermarket parts, like full exhausts, etc.
My only gripe is they gotta cool it with the matte paint. It's so lazy and played out. I feel like they have more matte than gloss paint jobs in the bikes I like. Also the rear fender on the chief is just strange looking.
I'm gonna buy an Indian motorcycle 🏍️, I'm actually the opposite I don't follow people I don't follow what others have. If everyone have Harley doesn't mean that I have to have one
The taller windscreen gets the wind over your head.
I ride whatever but personally own 2 Indians. I do videos on both of them.
Desert Heat; It's a dry heat, something you build up to
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lol you don’t build your to 115. At some point your human ability to survive supersedes your ability to acclimate.
Seems like all I see on UA-cam is how this new Indian model and that new Indian model are all Harley killers. But I never see em on the road. They look cool. But I’ve still only seen the scout in person.
I think if Indian could adjust their price point a bit , that would help. A lot of the mindset may be “If I have to spend that much money, I might as well buy a Harley.” Not a dig at Indian either . Sounds like they’re putting out a very solid product . Shoutout to your uncle 😂
See that's what I don't get about the American cruiser rider mind set. Indians, as a rule, have superior engines, superior transmissions, superior electrics/tech, and superior suspension. So, if I were making the choice between the 2 at the same price point? I'm taking the Indian 10 times out of 10. What does the HD offer? Paint?
Negative. Indian has far more value to "pricepoint." (Why not just say price??) Indian is gaining marketshare every year. HD is the one trying to stay in business at this point.
Edit: only HD owners want to be tubers lol
@@joevsfood - Ok , price..
@@LARGO125 Yeah, but when you buy a Harley you get to spend a premium to then continue spending more to make the bike better!
Imagine buying a good bike right from the showroom floor, that'd be stupid.
The only edge HD has is the Pan American.
Is Indian still built in the USA? My CVO and Road Guide both made in Thailand and both I sold due to way too many issues from engine to software and that’s 2 different bikes, same issues.
I wonder how that Indian fairs in contrast with Moto Guzzi v7 stone
Nice video. You are clearly impressed wit h the Indian's you have ridden. They are definitely great bikes on paper -- I have never ridden one. Funny enough, one of my riding buddies and I were just discussing yesterday that there is no Indian dealership in Los Angeles, and we can't figure out why? Indian, if you are listening, reach out to me and let's talk about it!
There is Indian Motorcycle of Orange County 30 miles south of LA and Riverside Indian in Corona. I think LA is particularly spoiled by the absurdity of the bakers dozen of Harley dealers in the area which I think is absurdly over saturated but very interesting hearing from someone in that area.
@@GearsGadgets we do have a number of Harley dealers in/around LA. Keep in mind, though, that LA county is massive -- over 4700 square miles! From my house to Corona is 70 miles. On a good day, that's an hour and a half away in some of the worst traffic in the country. I can't imagine buying a bike that I would have to take so far away for service. No idea why no one has opened an Indian dealership here, or why Indian doesn't open a factory owned one. We need it!
@@TheJedRides I am currently editing a revisit of my 2019 video where I mapped all of the Harley and Indian dealers and it’s pretty interesting how the landscape has changed in 4 years. It should be published sometime this week.
@TheJedRides
If you get the chance, both the OC and Corona locations are worth the visit. I've been shopping and comparing the Chieftain and the Street Glide.
What I can't abide is that my local HD dealers added markups on bikes. I found the Street Glide that I wanted at a local dealer here in OC, but they wanted EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS more in dealer markup on top of the usual shipping, prep, theft or whatever fees. That put my "dream bike" ten grand over MSRP and that didn't include tax and license. You can't negotiate a good deal when you're starting behind such a large negative equity.
You are on to a good idea with Polaris owned dealers. Without going into the negatives, the pros would be that there's 25 Polaris deales between LA and San Diego and only Six Indian dealers between OC and San Diego.
Now if they only made a white Chieftain Limited.....
@@Hendomonster thanks, I do want to check out the Indians. Unless you're looking at the new CVO, you should be able to buy a Street Glide from a SoCal HD dealer at or under MSRP before freight, tax and registration.
Probably because the percentage of Polaris motorcycles sold is a tiny fraction of the number of Harley’s sold each year. Latest official stats put them at less than 3% of domestic sales compared to nearly 30% for HD.
Where did you find those stats?
13:05 Yea but we've already seen the 85...
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Just to let people know that a friend recently purchased a scout bobber 1.5 weeks ago brand new and has lost acceleration engine light on. It turns on no problem mechanically it’s wonderful but no throttle.
Under warranty of course.
Dealership will Pug in & see.
Not discouraging just a little annoying for my friend.
Understandably electronics can go haywire.
At the moment my friend’s bobber & another are the only 2 silver type colours available in Australia.
Forgot the exact paint colour name.
Apparently 2 of a kind at the moment available in Australia.
I see Indian videos all over the place. Of course, once you start googling them, you get tons of them dumped in your feed. That applies to pretty much any topic.
Sport Chief has 29.5 degree lean angle.,.which is 1 degree more than a standard Chief. What a joke, considering my Roadmaster has 31 degrees. Any bike called "sport" needs at the very least 32 degrees IMHO. When Harleys are out-leaning your design, you've got a problem.
I think Indian motors are sexy… I have a deluxe, but I wouldn’t mind picking up a super chief limited…
Indian needs to also flood the market with their bikes so more people see more of them on the road thus adding to trust in the brand. Bottom line is Harley is generally cheaper and has way more of a cult like following than Indian.
I Have both brands and some.. from what I can see.. Indians are made better..and cost less. I say this, because the Thunderstroke has one piece crankshaft, and counterbalances.. gear driven cams and primary.. so I would be more apt to do mild performance upgrades, re-Cams exhaust and intake, vs the HD.. without having to worry about Crank runout issues.. correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure you need tighter tolerances, if you are going to run gear driven cams and primary's.. vs a chain..
I'm considering trading my 2021 Harley Davidson Street Glide Special for an Indian Springfield ✊🏽🏜️🌵
Hands down....if want a better quality cruiser buy an Indian!
There are more HD dealers where I live. Other than the HD Pan American, I think Indian bikes are nicer.
My Super Chief Limited eats Harleys for breakfast, lunch dinner and dessert. Love it.
Nonsense on the algorithm. Purchasers will actively type in "Indian" (or whatever brand) when they want to research a bike to buy and they will see all the Indian content they want.
That is true for purchasers but untrue for where the overwhelming majority of UA-cam views come from which is the “recommended” on the home page. Algorithm gaming is the modern SEO conversations from a decade ago to make sure your website was higher than others when someone googled “Motorcycles”
Side note, it’s increasingly becoming untrue for even specific search terms as the algorithm is “suggesting” content that is merely loosely affiliated with what you searched. You might have to scroll down 5-10 videos before you see what you specifically searched.
Not just UA-cam but they want to be part of the cult or culture! I question each one that reviews the Indians that same thing! If it’s so great put your money where your mouth is! I am on my third Indian! A Pursuit premium! Best motorcycle out there! Same to you! Put one in your garage!
Most people including myself are lucky enough to ever own ONE motorcycle let alone have the financial freedom burn money proving points on social media to faceless commenters. Fortunately I already have my 2018 Heritage which I love but I bought before I ever considered looking at an Indian. I know more today than I knew then. If I were buying a motorcycle today which I am not (not because I don’t want to, but because financially it’s not in the cards). It would absolutely be an Indian Pursuit.
Only Indians in our garage. 🤷🏼♂️
Harley pays UA-cam to delete them.
Polaris*
I think it’s adorable that people think that’s an insult.
@@GearsGadgets it's a clarification
@@m3talc0re its a self righteous clarification by walking embodiments of the “Ackchyually” meme. People who think they are outsmarting others with a witty passive aggressive comment. It’s a pretentious comment by Harley fanboys pretending Polaris isn’t another American motorcycle manufacturer building dope ass motorcycles. I say this as a Harley owner who loves my motorcycle but isn’t blinded by thinking one publicly traded corporation is inherently cooler than the other. It’s just as cool as a girl who thinks Starbucks is worthy of being woven into their identity.
@@GearsGadgets You seem to be on your own little self righteous passive aggressive rant there. And I don't care. I don't give a shit if it's made by Polaris. But all this bullshit about them having heritage and Polaris, sorry, Indian "1901" does bother me. The new "Indians" have no heritage. They're rebadged Victories. You assume too much. I like many bikes, I almost got a Scout Bobber, so you can quit your crying about "harley fanboys". Anyway, I'm done with this. Go enjoy your jet ski.
@@m3talc0re lol so much capping in your reply I don’t know where to begin. How about Harley’s heritage where for 8 years they were AMF yet they still say since 1903? You are undoubtedly a Harley fanboy otherwise your comment wouldn’t have a reason to have been written. At what point are you just getting your panties in a bunch over publicly traded corporate marketing strategies? The hilarity of “I almost bought a scout bobber” immediately followed by “go enjoy your jet ski” is the only bullshit here. There is absolutely nothing passive or self righteous about my rant whatsoever. I’m calling a spade a spade and you’re right, I would enjoy a Polaris Jetski just as much as I would a Slingshot, an Indian Pursuit, or my 2018 Harley Davidson Heritage. They are all dope products and all make me (and bitter you) happy when you get a chance to enjoy them. Getting mad about any of it is absurd but I do appreciate the back and forth helping my channel along in the algorithm.
It's called conformity. People buy the brand. Truth is, Harley-Davidson quality is not proportional to its price.
The Natives of American people got clean names Native are not Indian people Indonesia is Indian people.. USA 🤣😂🤣
The truth is,there’s no Indian motorcycle company,it’s really Polaris company.I would have more respect if Polaris wasn’t trying to copy Harley 💯
To each their own. I didn't want a Harley so I got a Scout Sixty. Been a happy rider since.
Indian has always been a superior motorcycle.
Copying ? 2025 HD models look like they bought a bunch of Indians and replaced the badging .