While the first part of the video is mostly dedicated to possible modern divergences of surviving Eastern Roman Empire, second part of it will be focused on audience’s suggestions related to earlier timelines. Which of Part 1 endings did you like the most? Let me know in the comments! Previous All Endings video: ua-cam.com/video/DsG6InxompQ/v-deo.html Discord: discord.gg/JdFXEzHZya
Yeah but no. A series of disasters spanning over 500 years led to the really bad ending that took place in our time, the fall of Constantinople is a real tragedy lamented by the Greeks to this day. Manzikert, civil wars, iconoclasm, betrayal by the Latins (4th crusade), the division of Rhomania, the Battle of Myriocephalon a little before that and finally the falling out between the Laskarids/Akritai, the Cantacouzenoi, the Palaeologoi and the Komnenoi factions. All of these very bad and in fact sort of unlikely shortcomings had to happen like they did for Byzantium to fall.
@@TheDAWinz wasn't the senate pretty much a giant court for the emperor at that point? They weren't really above the emperor once Rome became a full empire
@@idiocrat3744 they were like a council of rich nobles near emperor. I guess, in time either their power would grow or alternative power would appear to limit monarch's power if Empire would survive, of course.
Speaking as a Greek... the eastern Roman empire was a giant mistake. Julian the "apostate", a Hellenist, was Juliuan the valient. He tried to save the Roman empire from the mess Christians made of it. When Rome turned to Christianity it set back Europe over a thousand years.
@@mydogsbutler you know that Hellenists still exist in Greece right? As a Greek a saw them by accident and the next 20 minutes i wan praying non-stoping. I dont think its good to be a hellenist.
@@mydogsbutler What a ridiculous assumption. The rise of christianity had little to nothing to do with the fall of the (western) roman empire. The main causes was the corruption of the administrators, incompetence of the emperors, barbarian invasions, and a disconnect with the east. If Christianity had been such a detriment to the advance of science as you had mentioned then how come Eastern Rome prospered in culture, economy, and science up until it's decline in the 13th century. If anything it was christian monasteries and church that perserved greco-roman knowledge in their archives which would have otherwise been lost.
@@stephmod7434 You are muddling Hellenism with neo-paganism. Greece itself is pro Hellenism (other than a portion of Greek leftists). Albeit all religions are build on mytt I have much more empathy for neopagans than I do Christian cult. At least its a Greek religion not the middle eastern religion that oppressed Hellenism.
@@genovayork2468 my assertion was only that, in real life, Germany followed the "Good Ending" from the "Germany: All Endings" video. Quoting said video: "Despite dark parts of its history, Germany eventually established itself as a country with the largest GDP and population in the EU." Whatever political position you might have, this description is literally what happened in real life, so my assertion was factual and not debatable
@@basedchad6035 I know it was but for the memers (people who do memes) it was a stab to the heart and even the music as the Flag fell one last time was someone a tearjerker. But it was for the good of the planet.
You should have done the “Rome?” Ending in which the proposal of the queen of Byzantium and the King of the HRE’s marriage actually succeeded and the empires united
Your revolutionary ending gave me another idea: During the late 18th century Rigas Ferreos wanted to establish a Hellenic Republic on the lines of the French Revolution which would've controlled I believe all of the Balkans (including Moldavia and Wallachia), and the Ionian Coast Now though the state would've been a Hellenic Republic and he was a firm believer in the Hellenic Enlightenment, but given the prevelance of the term Roman for Greeks and Orthodox Christians in general at the time I could see it fitting in
You know, I play A LOT of EU4. And I love mods for this game. There's an event in the mod Imperium Universalis that allow you to raze a city to the ground, Carthage-style, with salt on the land and everything. I adapted this event for my normal EU4, and it can only fire when Byzantium wins a siege in Venezia, applying MONSTROUS debuffs to the province. FeelsGoodMan.
Oh I never got to suggest an ending, please consider a Part 2 this was my favorite! Imagine a Gothic Ending where the post Roman kingdoms agreed to join the Empire or something
Third Odyssey: Byzantines flee Constantinople in ships towards the new world (which they knew about cuz Vinland and Varangians) and calls the continent Elysia. Centuries later they might want to reclaim the city...
From a Greek descendant, I loved it! So based 😊. I don't think there would be communism in our empire because of the National Idea. Also Catherine's plan was nice but... Habsburgs. Thanks for the video my friend!
Absolute base, I liked all the endings (except the canonical one) Most of all I liked the Romanov restoration, and indeed an extremely ambitious project that could have come true if not for the resistance of Britain, France and the Ottoman Empire. If it touched the disappeared empires, then what about Macedonia, m?: D
No they weren't. The brits and French already occupied it, and even they didn't want Greece to have constantinople to fall in the hands of the Greeks. So no, Greeks didn't almost regain it, especially not by military means, and no, the ottomans didn't have any notable military personal there anymore so even if they militarily gained control of constantinople, it wouldn't have been anything to brag about as it was a city without defences after ww1.
@@bmyt4249 just because it was occupied doesn't mean it can't be divided .Take Trieste for example it was part of Italy between the world wars but after ww2 it was controlled by the UN and then it was divided between Yugoslavia and Italy.
@@techtime2108 yeah, just because an old man lies on the floor beaten by a 2 meter man doesn't mean I can't go and kick him a bit and steal his wallet. Wow. Genius. Is that the Greek mentality of "we almost got constantinople back" or what?
This is your best video without question. The quality is bettered, the endings are all possible and the idea of putting alternate timelines of an alternate timeline is commendable. However Byzantium deserves this PS:I love how you used the soundtrack of Death Note
While manuel had the option to obliterate Venice after the war near Thessaly,he decided not to because it would “worsen the relationship of the germans and the members of the Italian peninsula”
America ending: In 1453, a group of soldiers, politics, cityzens and the emperor escaped of the ottoman invation by a navy and they arrived in the actual Cuba. "Terranova" or New Rome was founded in 1455. The new Bizntine empire conquered all the Caribe. In 1462, The Azteca empire was conquered by the Bizantine empire. The Inca civilization lose the war against Bizantine empire in 1488. When Colon arrived to America, he was murdered and his navy was destroyed. In 1611, Europe was invaded by Imperium Byzantinum Orbis Novi restauratum.
EU4 Ending: Long ago, the Balkans lived in (relative) harmony; then, everything changed when the Ottomans attacked. Only the Palaiologus Emperor, last line of Ancient Rome, could stop them, but when the world needed them most they were conquered However there is one other lord and though his domain is puny, I believe the Count of Montferrat can save Rome… *Basileus: The Last Palaiologii*
"nOrThErN Epirus"? Why annexing a Albanian majority region? I thought "megali" was to unite "greek" majority regions and not expand and occupy foreign lands.
@@albinh.3149 But Northern Epirus was always majority Greek, at least until 1991. Even the Albanian government has recognized it in the Protocol of Corfu. Read about the Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus.
@@georgios_5342 "northern" Epirus was and is a Albanian majority region. The so called autonomous region that was supposed to be created under the regime of austrian Prince "Willhelm Wied", was only to please the greek minority in the region. It was not majority greek. He just agreed to be able to tease the tensions and to be able to do something in the chaotic Albania. South epirus on the other hand was very mixed. Albanians made up to 40% of that region. Mostly in the coastal regions and Janina.
@@albinh.3149Those "Albanians" were mostly Arvanites. Arvanites are Albanians who speak Arvanite and are Orthodox. A lot of Arvanites exist in Greece today and support the big idea
@@Taxolia Arvanite is literally the "greek" name for Albanians. Now a days, Arvanites are refered to the Albanians in southern and mid greece (pelopeonnes and attica). The ones from epirus weren consider Arvanites but mainland Albanians (including the souliots). Many were expelled during and after both Worldwars. Non of the epirus Albanians supported the annexation of their lands by greece. Majority of them was also of muslim faith.
On the Montferrat ending, what should have happened is that they broke from savoy and went in a crusade right after the fall of Konstantinouplis, being sucessfull and restoring byzantium.
@@stephmod7434 Those aren't typically included in the Megali Idea though. Sadly they were quite isolated geographically from the rest of the Greeks If we want to go to the extreme though there are also the Griko in Italy, the Egyptiotes in well Egypt, Greeks in Crimea and the Bulgarian Coast Also there are many Orthodox Christians in the levant that even if Arabic speaking, I've heard that they view themselves very closely with the Greeks (of all of them, admittedly this one is pushing it the most)
Reverse ending: The Ottoman Empire falls with the siege of Bursa, with the city being renamed Prousa, leaving Byzantium as the dominant power in the Balkans and Middle East
Belisarian Ending: Belisarius accepts the invitation to become Western Emperor in 540 A.D, reigning over the provinces of Italia, Dalmatia, Africa, and eventually Hispania. Just before dying in 565, Belisarius proclaims his adoptive son Theodosius as Western Emperor, establishing the Belisarian Dynasty
Unification Ending. After the great war, the idea was born to unite humanity in one state, modeled on the Roman Empire, so that humanity could survive and flourish again.
@@genovayork2468 Well uh yes. The right to souverignty for every people is one of the Best ideas we developed. And while not every intrest gets 100% represented its far better represented im Nation States (democratic at best) than in a global state. 100%, you cant even possibly say they arent. How Do you even think of realising it? Democracy? So that every ethnicity, Nation, civilisation forms its own voting Block? So that the civilisation with the most people rules over all? So that we have a chinese leader with chinese values who Puts chinese intrests first? Okay so democracy isnt the Best solution. So maybe a technocratic oligarchy who rules over the global empire.... Yeah, you didnt watch enough movies if thats what you want.
@@genovayork2468 I will answar one Thing. Its actually not smart to go to small States. To be truly souverign you sometimes need bigger States. Look at germany. Before the unification all theese small german States were just a play ground of the other major Power. Not after the unification. They could finally follow their own goals. And for this reason you whould need a Balance between same intrests and size to be able to follow theese intrests. And I think current Nation States have this Balance quite well
the fun part of the Montferrat ending is that the Missions Expanded mod for eu4 actually gives u missions to restore the byzantine empire. Enable the setting that allows tag forming regardless if it was an end tag and u have Italian ideas and modifiers with Byzantine missions to take the levant and egypt
Wait! Why is destruction of Venice by Byzantium thought to be a good idea? Because of IV Crusade? Or, maybe, it's because author is secretly a Genoese?
@@sandrika22 the funny part is... that the genoese where almost (if not the only ones) that provided troops for the city and defended its walls to the very last moment
Young Greeks Ending (Divergence of Bad Ending or Good Ending): As foreign powers started to exploit the weakening empire, the Young Greeks staged a revolution and the Emperor was forced to give up his absolute power to them. The Young Greeks would try to modernize the empire and start forcibly Hellenizing minorities. name: Empire of the Romans Edit: Young Greek Revolution (1908) Central Power Ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending): Eastern Rome joined Germany and Austria and won the Great War, finally regaining it's lost power and even gaining some colonies in Africa. name: Empire of the Romans Edit: Young Greek Junta (1908-1970)/Great War (1912-1917) Sick Man of Europe Ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending): Eastern Rome lost the Great War and as a result, most of its land (including Constantinople) was partitioned between the Entente, leaving a small rump state. name: Empire of the Romans Edit: Young Greek Junta (1908-1917) Father of the Greeks ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending): Refusing to accept the humiliating peace treaty after the Great War, a former Eastern Roman general took the name Petéraéllina, fought and miraculously defeated the Entente, forcing a new, favorable treaty. Petéraéllina would go on to abolish the Empire and the Patriarch of Constantinople and eventually turned Eastern Rome into a modern, secular Hellenic Republic. name: Republic of Hellas Edit: Hellenic Republic (since 1923)
Venetian Ending: (Bad-ish Ending) The Fourth Crusade ravaged the Byzantines to such an extent that they fell under the direct control of Venice. The Greater Venetian Mercantile Republic remained a major power in the Mediterranean after blunting the Muslim incursion into Anatolia. Sultanate Ending: (Divergence of Ultimate Bad/Canon Ending) Decades after the conquest of Constantinople, the Sultanate of Rum broke away from the Ottoman Empire during a succession crisis. Over the subsequent centuries this nominally Turkish state took on more and more trappings of Greek culture, and by the start of the 20th Century were essentially the Byzantines in all but name. However, with land-hungry neighbors and the clouds of a great war on the horizon, their future was uncertain. Technocratic Ending: (Divergence of either the Good or regular Bad Ending) The Enlightenment saw a return to vogue of the ideas of the ancient Greek philosophers. Enamored with what they saw as a return of rationalism, the elites of Byzantine society created a stratified government where intellectuals held all the power. The 19th Century brought with it a resurgence of populism, however, and the ivory towers of the intelligencia may not be as inassailable as they might think.
Megali ending was the most realistic at some point. Greece is a part of European culture and even a foundation of it, so this would be good for Europe an sich.
@@stephmod7434 no that’s the opposite. I meant an ending where due to nationalism and liberalism and enlightenment and all that Byzantium rebranded itself to Greece. Kind of like Turkey
@@stephmod7434 He means that he is surprised at the absence of an ending in which the Byzantine Empire loses its Roman identity and becomes a nationalist republic founded on the idea of Greece, just as the Turks rejected the Ottoman identity and founded their own national State.
If you look at it this way, then if Byzantium lived to the present in the composition, as indicated in the good ending, then it would clearly be a federation with ethnic republics, like Russia, for example, because I don’t think that the Greeks could completely assimilate the Serbs and Croats.
Orthodox ending: with the Pope's infuelnce spreading all over Europe, and with nomdic incursions into the continent, the Orthodox Christian European states - Byzantium, Kievan Rus', Georgian and Armenian principalities, Serbia and Bulgaria unify into a federation - the Orthodox Empire.
New Empire Ending: After a full scale evacuation from the barbarians led them to a hidden land, the Byzantines colonized what is now the southeastern United States.
This is really interesting Assuming everything in the rest of Europe went as in our timeline, I guess that in WW1, which would have broken out for different reasons that in our timeline, Byzantium would have sided with the Entente, having an open conflict with Austria-Hungary as it would have been their main threat in the Balkans. In WW2 I like to think that Byzantium would have sought an alliance with Britain and France. Germany would have probably started an invasion of the empire, while the Roman navy would have been busy fighting Italy in Lybia and Egypt together with Britain. Eventually I think that Rome, with some help from Britain and the US, would have pulled back the Germans and started an invasion of Italy through Apulia and Istria, finally winning the war. Damn I love alternate timelines lol
Colonial Ending (Divergence of Ultimate Good Ending): After restoring the Roman Empire as such, Byzantine beggined to colonize Africa and laterly took colonies in American continent on XIV Century
*Hohenstaufen Ending* After the Death of his second wife, Queen of Jerusalem, Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II married her relative Marie of Brienne, gaining the Crown of the Latin Empire and later integrating it into his New Roman Empire. *Duchy of Athens, Duchy of Thessaloniki and Despotate of Nicaea in the Holy Roman Empire*
While the first part of the video is mostly dedicated to possible modern divergences of surviving Eastern Roman Empire, second part of it will be focused on audience’s suggestions related to earlier timelines.
Which of Part 1 endings did you like the most? Let me know in the comments!
Previous All Endings video: ua-cam.com/video/DsG6InxompQ/v-deo.html
Discord: discord.gg/JdFXEzHZya
Please do South Africa: All Endings next!
Netherlands pls
Both based but come one, Rome is always based!
Pls do Turkey again, Turkey video is not that good
Can't wait for Bulgaria (p.s.: The First Bulgarian empire invented Cyrillic alphabet before being invaded by Byzantine Empire)
Compared to the canon ending the bad ending is like an ultimate good ending because it actually remained alive
Not an ultimate one but a good one
Yeah but no. A series of disasters spanning over 500 years led to the really bad ending that took place in our time, the fall of Constantinople is a real tragedy lamented by the Greeks to this day. Manzikert, civil wars, iconoclasm, betrayal by the Latins (4th crusade), the division of Rhomania, the Battle of Myriocephalon a little before that and finally the falling out between the Laskarids/Akritai, the Cantacouzenoi, the Palaeologoi and the Komnenoi factions. All of these very bad and in fact sort of unlikely shortcomings had to happen like they did for Byzantium to fall.
Yeah, the great irony of the bad ending is that it is actually close to the Megali idea Greek nationalists had prior to 1922.
Like how Liechtenstein is technically the last bastion of the HRE
@Skanderbeg so, the really good timeline then?
That hidden ending is pure art.
Every time I play a grand strategy game, I always make sure to exterminate Venice in honor of Constantinople.
based
Based but Unbased at the same time
BASED
@@dan-phone4665 your mom bul
Subscribing to you bc based.
Quite cool that after 1700 years the Roman Empire loops back to a republic in one of the endings
Technically they never stopped being one, they had a senate all the way until 1453
@@TheDAWinz wasn't the senate pretty much a giant court for the emperor at that point? They weren't really above the emperor once Rome became a full empire
@@idiocrat3744 they were like a council of rich nobles near emperor. I guess, in time either their power would grow or alternative power would appear to limit monarch's power if Empire would survive, of course.
Real ending: Greece lives on in the world but Byzantium lives on in our hearts
Speaking as a Greek... the eastern Roman empire was a giant mistake. Julian the "apostate", a Hellenist, was Juliuan the valient. He tried to save the Roman empire from the mess Christians made of it. When Rome turned to Christianity it set back Europe over a thousand years.
@@mydogsbutler you know that Hellenists still exist in Greece right? As a Greek a saw them by accident and the next 20 minutes i wan praying non-stoping. I dont think its good to be a hellenist.
@@mydogsbutler What a ridiculous assumption. The rise of christianity had little to nothing to do with the fall of the (western) roman empire. The main causes was the corruption of the administrators, incompetence of the emperors, barbarian invasions, and a disconnect with the east. If Christianity had been such a detriment to the advance of science as you had mentioned then how come Eastern Rome prospered in culture, economy, and science up until it's decline in the 13th century. If anything it was christian monasteries and church that perserved greco-roman knowledge in their archives which would have otherwise been lost.
@@stephmod7434
You are muddling Hellenism with neo-paganism. Greece itself is pro Hellenism (other than a portion of Greek leftists).
Albeit all religions are build on mytt I have much more empathy for neopagans than I do Christian cult. At least its a Greek religion not the middle eastern religion that oppressed Hellenism.
@@mydogsbutler I am a Greek. I am Orthodox Christian.
As a historic rival in the east (Iranian);
we all miss the Byzantine Empire
"Only I get to beat up the Romans and even then I don't go too far"
You're obviously an Iranian from Los Angeles.
@@EgyptianMuslim76 Nope
@@jacobite2353
I’m just imagining Persia and Byzantium taking turns whacking each other with wooden swords 😂
@@jacobite2353 The Best Rivalry of All Time Tbh
You know you live in the worst timeline when Ultimate Bad Ending is the canon one.
It hurts that a lot of great empires have fallen
The Romans
The Byzantines
The Soviets
It hurts indeed that we live in such a world.
In many countries, the good ending was the canon ending. Germany and the USA come to mind
@@genovayork2468 my assertion was only that, in real life, Germany followed the "Good Ending" from the "Germany: All Endings" video. Quoting said video: "Despite dark parts of its history, Germany eventually established itself as a country with the largest GDP and population in the EU."
Whatever political position you might have, this description is literally what happened in real life, so my assertion was factual and not debatable
@@Antonio-fj5gs bro it was good that the soviets fell
@@basedchad6035 I know it was but for the memers (people who do memes) it was a stab to the heart and even the music as the Flag fell one last time was someone a tearjerker.
But it was for the good of the planet.
You should have done the “Rome?” Ending in which the proposal of the queen of Byzantium and the King of the HRE’s marriage actually succeeded and the empires united
Your revolutionary ending gave me another idea: During the late 18th century Rigas Ferreos wanted to establish a Hellenic Republic on the lines of the French Revolution which would've controlled I believe all of the Balkans (including Moldavia and Wallachia), and the Ionian Coast
Now though the state would've been a Hellenic Republic and he was a firm believer in the Hellenic Enlightenment, but given the prevelance of the term Roman for Greeks and Orthodox Christians in general at the time I could see it fitting in
You know, I play A LOT of EU4. And I love mods for this game. There's an event in the mod Imperium Universalis that allow you to raze a city to the ground, Carthage-style, with salt on the land and everything.
I adapted this event for my normal EU4, and it can only fire when Byzantium wins a siege in Venezia, applying MONSTROUS debuffs to the province.
FeelsGoodMan.
Can you make it a mod on workshop?
This so based
What did Venice do?
@@mihaiteodor7763 sack the center of civilisation, destroy eastern roman empire
@@mihaiteodor7763
Fourth Crusade
Oh I never got to suggest an ending, please consider a Part 2 this was my favorite! Imagine a Gothic Ending where the post Roman kingdoms agreed to join the Empire or something
The pain of living knowing you don't live in the ultimate good ending
But "atleast" you live in the ultimate bad one
The part where grown men cry.
F for Byzantium 🥺
@4D1N Bro why are you breaking my heart even more
@4D1N Aight I gotta respect that, noice bro
Third Odyssey: Byzantines flee Constantinople in ships towards the new world (which they knew about cuz Vinland and Varangians) and calls the continent Elysia. Centuries later they might want to reclaim the city...
The last one is truly blessed.
From a Greek descendant, I loved it! So based 😊.
I don't think there would be communism in our empire because of the National Idea.
Also Catherine's plan was nice but... Habsburgs.
Thanks for the video my friend!
Τι εννοείς;
@@stephmod7434 τι δεν κατάλαβες από όλο να σου πω
Would love to see an endings on Bosnia and Herzegovina, to slowly start finishing off the European Country Endings.
All ending about gone empires, NICE!
Not gone from our hearts
As an Italian with probably greek ancestors, I would love to be under the Eastern Roman Empire lol
We would love to restore our mighty empire! 🇬🇷❤️🇮🇹☦️✝️
Don’t forget us in Hispania!
I whod not even tho greeks(basically byzantines) are our friends georgia whod not like to be under any foreign power
It would be just the Roman Empire
My ideal Eastern Roman Empire would be the Balkans Anatolia Crimea Southern Italy Sicily and Northern Levant
Absolute base, I liked all the endings (except the canonical one)
Most of all I liked the Romanov restoration, and indeed an extremely ambitious project that could have come true if not for the resistance of Britain, France and the Ottoman Empire.
If it touched the disappeared empires, then what about Macedonia, m?: D
The fact that I was not born in a world where byzantine was still around and as a greek saddens me so very much.
Greece actually was really close to regaining Constantinople after ww1 when there was the unofficial Kars treaty.
No they weren't. The brits and French already occupied it, and even they didn't want Greece to have constantinople to fall in the hands of the Greeks.
So no, Greeks didn't almost regain it, especially not by military means, and no, the ottomans didn't have any notable military personal there anymore so even if they militarily gained control of constantinople, it wouldn't have been anything to brag about as it was a city without defences after ww1.
@@bmyt4249 just because it was occupied doesn't mean it can't be divided .Take Trieste for example it was part of Italy between the world wars but after ww2 it was controlled by the UN and then it was divided between Yugoslavia and Italy.
@@techtime2108 yeah, just because an old man lies on the floor beaten by a 2 meter man doesn't mean I can't go and kick him a bit and steal his wallet. Wow. Genius. Is that the Greek mentality of "we almost got constantinople back" or what?
@@bmyt4249 but this is different The ottomans deserved to be occupied and have land taken from it.
@@bmyt4249 Actually that would be the turkish mentality of how they got Constantinople.
This is your best video without question. The quality is bettered, the endings are all possible and the idea of putting alternate timelines of an alternate timeline is commendable.
However Byzantium deserves this
PS:I love how you used the soundtrack of Death Note
Imagine:
You are listening song about downfall of Byzantium
Later you see this video.
Nice
Imagine:
You are based
was it Θά ρθεις σαν αστραπή?
While manuel had the option to obliterate Venice after the war near Thessaly,he decided not to because it would “worsen the relationship of the germans and the members of the Italian peninsula”
Yes bad desicions, like egypt and italian invasion.
may have been smart for that time but it's sad that would backfire
America ending: In 1453, a group of soldiers, politics, cityzens and the emperor escaped of the ottoman invation by a navy and they arrived in the actual Cuba. "Terranova" or New Rome was founded in 1455. The new Bizntine empire conquered all the Caribe. In 1462, The Azteca empire was conquered by the Bizantine empire. The Inca civilization lose the war against Bizantine empire in 1488.
When Colon arrived to America, he was murdered and his navy was destroyed. In 1611, Europe was invaded by Imperium Byzantinum Orbis Novi restauratum.
EU4 Ending:
Long ago, the Balkans lived in (relative) harmony; then, everything changed when the Ottomans attacked.
Only the Palaiologus Emperor, last line of Ancient Rome, could stop them, but when the world needed them most they were conquered
However there is one other lord and though his domain is puny, I believe the Count of Montferrat can save Rome…
*Basileus: The Last Palaiologii*
0:42 aslong as they have Constantinople things cannot be that bad!
2:19 for ultimate based version, Greece also annexes Northern Epirus and Cyprus.
"nOrThErN Epirus"? Why annexing a Albanian majority region? I thought "megali" was to unite "greek" majority regions and not expand and occupy foreign lands.
@@albinh.3149 But Northern Epirus was always majority Greek, at least until 1991. Even the Albanian government has recognized it in the Protocol of Corfu. Read about the Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus.
@@georgios_5342 "northern" Epirus was and is a Albanian majority region.
The so called autonomous region that was supposed to be created under the regime of austrian Prince "Willhelm Wied", was only to please the greek minority in the region. It was not majority greek. He just agreed to be able to tease the tensions and to be able to do something in the chaotic Albania.
South epirus on the other hand was very mixed. Albanians made up to 40% of that region. Mostly in the coastal regions and Janina.
@@albinh.3149Those "Albanians" were mostly Arvanites. Arvanites are Albanians who speak Arvanite and are Orthodox. A lot of Arvanites exist in Greece today and support the big idea
@@Taxolia
Arvanite is literally the "greek" name for Albanians.
Now a days, Arvanites are refered to the Albanians in southern and mid greece (pelopeonnes and attica). The ones from epirus weren consider Arvanites but mainland Albanians (including the souliots).
Many were expelled during and after both Worldwars. Non of the epirus Albanians supported the annexation of their lands by greece.
Majority of them was also of muslim faith.
When you realize that the "Bad Ending" would be the "Good Ending" for Greece.
On the Montferrat ending, what should have happened is that they broke from savoy and went in a crusade right after the fall of Konstantinouplis, being sucessfull and restoring byzantium.
Crusade of varna part 2
@@Hiroakiarai88 success boogaloo
@@holey5065 did not happen. Cope
@@Hiroakiarai88 L + Ratio + Answered 8 fricking months later + i know history better than you + confidence hit
@@holey5065 this type of comment. Embarrassing
I was born in the worst timeline of all :c
2:14 Greece made an empire, but still northern Epirus is occupied. As well as Cyprus.
We can never catch a break
Also the Pontus isn't liberated either
@@achaeanmapping4408 so is Cappadocia.
@@stephmod7434 Those aren't typically included in the Megali Idea though. Sadly they were quite isolated geographically from the rest of the Greeks
If we want to go to the extreme though there are also the Griko in Italy, the Egyptiotes in well Egypt, Greeks in Crimea and the Bulgarian Coast
Also there are many Orthodox Christians in the levant that even if Arabic speaking, I've heard that they view themselves very closely with the Greeks (of all of them, admittedly this one is pushing it the most)
@@achaeanmapping4408 you forgot Cyrenaica! And alsoto get more extreme... Mariupol and Odessa are also Greek! As well as Afghanistan!
It really shows that you looked into geek history and all the movements in recent times
Reverse ending: The Ottoman Empire falls with the siege of Bursa, with the city being renamed Prousa, leaving Byzantium as the dominant power in the Balkans and Middle East
Thanks for making my ideas in 2:14 and 2:29!
Belisarian Ending: Belisarius accepts the invitation to become Western Emperor in 540 A.D, reigning over the provinces of Italia, Dalmatia, Africa, and eventually Hispania. Just before dying in 565, Belisarius proclaims his adoptive son Theodosius as Western Emperor, establishing the Belisarian Dynasty
Unification Ending.
After the great war, the idea was born to unite humanity in one state, modeled on the Roman Empire, so that humanity could survive and flourish again.
No. Dont cramp me in a country with people who are far different from me and who want vastly different things
@@genovayork2468 Well uh yes. The right to souverignty for every people is one of the Best ideas we developed. And while not every intrest gets 100% represented its far better represented im Nation States (democratic at best) than in a global state. 100%, you cant even possibly say they arent.
How Do you even think of realising it? Democracy? So that every ethnicity, Nation, civilisation forms its own voting Block? So that the civilisation with the most people rules over all? So that we have a chinese leader with chinese values who Puts chinese intrests first? Okay so democracy isnt the Best solution. So maybe a technocratic oligarchy who rules over the global empire.... Yeah, you didnt watch enough movies if thats what you want.
@@genovayork2468 I will answar one Thing. Its actually not smart to go to small States. To be truly souverign you sometimes need bigger States. Look at germany. Before the unification all theese small german States were just a play ground of the other major Power. Not after the unification. They could finally follow their own goals.
And for this reason you whould need a Balance between same intrests and size to be able to follow theese intrests. And I think current Nation States have this Balance quite well
After two years I still like this video!Hope you get more viewers and subs:)
the fun part of the Montferrat ending is that the Missions Expanded mod for eu4 actually gives u missions to restore the byzantine empire. Enable the setting that allows tag forming regardless if it was an end tag and u have Italian ideas and modifiers with Byzantine missions to take the levant and egypt
I love the little detail in the Proletarian Ending where Crimea remains a holdout of the Empire, much like Taiwan in our timeline
2:30 Ultimate Blessed ending
bruh no
troll
As a Greek i agree but Ionian islands Pelloponese and Northern Epirus are Greek.
@@pixistypses5406 cringe moment
When the Ultimate bad ending is the Ending we live with 💀💀😥
Wait! Why is destruction of Venice by Byzantium thought to be a good idea? Because of IV Crusade? Or, maybe, it's because author is secretly a Genoese?
IV Crusade
@@HusaviProductions That's what any Genoese would say. Pretty sus if you ask me.
@@sandrika22 the funny part is... that the genoese where almost (if not the only ones) that provided troops for the city and defended its walls to the very last moment
Ἡ Δέσποινα ταράχτηκε καὶ δάκρυσαν οἱ εἰκόνες.
«Σώπασε κυρὰ Δέσποινα, καὶ μὴ πολυδακρύζῃς,
πάλι μὲ χρόνους, μὲ καιρούς, πάλι δικά μας θά ῾ναι» 🦅
Young Greeks Ending (Divergence of Bad Ending or Good Ending):
As foreign powers started to exploit the weakening empire, the Young Greeks staged a revolution and the Emperor was forced to give up his absolute power to them. The Young Greeks would try to modernize the empire and start forcibly Hellenizing minorities.
name: Empire of the Romans
Edit: Young Greek Revolution (1908)
Central Power Ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending):
Eastern Rome joined Germany and Austria and won the Great War, finally regaining it's lost power and even gaining some colonies in Africa.
name: Empire of the Romans
Edit: Young Greek Junta (1908-1970)/Great War (1912-1917)
Sick Man of Europe Ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending):
Eastern Rome lost the Great War and as a result, most of its land (including Constantinople) was partitioned between the Entente, leaving a small rump state.
name: Empire of the Romans
Edit: Young Greek Junta (1908-1917)
Father of the Greeks ending (Divergence of Young Greeks ending):
Refusing to accept the humiliating peace treaty after the Great War, a former Eastern Roman general took the name Petéraéllina, fought and miraculously defeated the Entente, forcing a new, favorable treaty. Petéraéllina would go on to abolish the Empire and the Patriarch of Constantinople and eventually turned Eastern Rome into a modern, secular Hellenic Republic.
name: Republic of Hellas
Edit: Hellenic Republic (since 1923)
I really like the idea of divergences as it really spices up the scenarios
United ending: the roman empire never falls, so the eastern lands remain roman.
Btw you should do another "italy all endings video"
Venetian Ending: (Bad-ish Ending) The Fourth Crusade ravaged the Byzantines to such an extent that they fell under the direct control of Venice. The Greater Venetian Mercantile Republic remained a major power in the Mediterranean after blunting the Muslim incursion into Anatolia.
Sultanate Ending: (Divergence of Ultimate Bad/Canon Ending) Decades after the conquest of Constantinople, the Sultanate of Rum broke away from the Ottoman Empire during a succession crisis. Over the subsequent centuries this nominally Turkish state took on more and more trappings of Greek culture, and by the start of the 20th Century were essentially the Byzantines in all but name. However, with land-hungry neighbors and the clouds of a great war on the horizon, their future was uncertain.
Technocratic Ending: (Divergence of either the Good or regular Bad Ending) The Enlightenment saw a return to vogue of the ideas of the ancient Greek philosophers. Enamored with what they saw as a return of rationalism, the elites of Byzantine society created a stratified government where intellectuals held all the power. The 19th Century brought with it a resurgence of populism, however, and the ivory towers of the intelligencia may not be as inassailable as they might think.
As I Greek when I saw the name Eastern Roman empire I was laughing inside
Γιατί;
0:30 I remembered this sad soundtrack from your Roman Empire video's ultimate bad ending. :(
Lightning strikes Spanoudakis song would have been a perfect addition to at least 1 ending but even without it that's a great video
Wow, even the ultimate bad ending is better than the actual ending.
UA-cam confuses me. I want “Fat Seals”, I get Byzantium.
Megali ending was the most realistic at some point. Greece is a part of European culture and even a foundation of it, so this would be good for Europe an sich.
I’m surprised there was no Greek nationalism ending where the empire rebranded to Greece
Ehm 2:13.
@@stephmod7434 no that’s the opposite. I meant an ending where due to nationalism and liberalism and enlightenment and all that Byzantium rebranded itself to Greece. Kind of like Turkey
@@fluffyduffy1057 what?
@@stephmod7434 He means that he is surprised at the absence of an ending in which the Byzantine Empire loses its Roman identity and becomes a nationalist republic founded on the idea of Greece, just as the Turks rejected the Ottoman identity and founded their own national State.
@@henricoz_9745 oh! I now get it!
Dzięki za uświadomienie o "Grekim planie"
You're not a Roman if you don't want to purposely sink Venice into the lagoon from which it came.
One of the best video you've made so far 😝🙏
If you look at it this way, then if Byzantium lived to the present in the composition, as indicated in the good ending, then it would clearly be a federation with ethnic republics, like Russia, for example, because I don’t think that the Greeks could completely assimilate the Serbs and Croats.
The fall of the western roman empire was a tragedy, but only the fall of byzantium that reduces me to tears every day.
2:00 best ending
Orthodox ending: with the Pope's infuelnce spreading all over Europe, and with nomdic incursions into the continent, the Orthodox Christian European states - Byzantium, Kievan Rus', Georgian and Armenian principalities, Serbia and Bulgaria unify into a federation - the Orthodox Empire.
Long live the Hellenic Ekklesias !
There could be an ending where emperor of Holy Roman Empire actually married Irina from Byzantium and HRE with Byzantium will be united this way
cursed
Thanks man brings a tear to my eye!
Playing as the Byzantines/Eastern Romans in Medieval 2 Total War and every mod i can find ! 😁
As a Greek im very PROUD if my country and btw i liked very much this Greek songs
(Happy graeco-roman noise)
I honestly love these
Megali looks really nice.
Everything is possible. Just look at Israel. Everything is possible.
I'd like to see Eastern Rome vs Fascist Italy and watch Rome decimate
Alright alright, I'll play Montferrat, jeez
I denounce Venice.
Ladies, gentlemen, Venetian.
@@boris8515 no more crabs for you!
@@conorstapleton3183 It is illegal even to think about crabs, everyone on the world congress has agreed that crabs are banned.
It is sad that rhomania has not regained its apennines.
Byzantium lives inside Greece...great Endings,it's bad that we do not have the chanse to learn the history of Romans properly!
Funny in a dark humoured way how the Ultimate Bad Ending is the real scenario.
New Empire Ending: After a full scale evacuation from the barbarians led them to a hidden land, the Byzantines colonized what is now the southeastern United States.
remember kids.In Eu4 we always make sure venice does not exist as a tag. For the honor of the Empire!
In some endings, Byzantium lasted until the 20th century. I wonder how the First and Second World War would have turned out then.
This is really interesting
Assuming everything in the rest of Europe went as in our timeline, I guess that in WW1, which would have broken out for different reasons that in our timeline, Byzantium would have sided with the Entente, having an open conflict with Austria-Hungary as it would have been their main threat in the Balkans. In WW2 I like to think that Byzantium would have sought an alliance with Britain and France. Germany would have probably started an invasion of the empire, while the Roman navy would have been busy fighting Italy in Lybia and Egypt together with Britain. Eventually I think that Rome, with some help from Britain and the US, would have pulled back the Germans and started an invasion of Italy through Apulia and Istria, finally winning the war.
Damn I love alternate timelines lol
just look at Greece it’s the same thing
The proletarian ending made my day as a Chinese.
Okay, the communist one (for me) is kinda cursed for some reason.
And I like the Romanov ending and the blessed one too.
the bad ending doesnt sounds that bad for them.... they still survived....
Colonial Ending (Divergence of Ultimate Good Ending): After restoring the Roman Empire as such, Byzantine beggined to colonize Africa and laterly took colonies in American continent on XIV Century
Alternative Macedon ending: Macedonian dynasty conquers the same amount of the land as Alexander the Great and starts the new Hellenistic era
All endings: MONGOL EMPIRE
Byzantium ❤️
Last Ending was a certified Venice Delenda Est moment 🧂
*Hohenstaufen Ending*
After the Death of his second wife, Queen of Jerusalem, Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II married her relative Marie of Brienne, gaining the Crown of the Latin Empire and later integrating it into his New Roman Empire.
*Duchy of Athens, Duchy of Thessaloniki and Despotate of Nicaea in the Holy Roman Empire*
2:24 HOLY BASED
Notice how all the good endings involve the Turks staying where their predecessors begun.
Ending with the russians getting Tsargrad? Just throwing it up there.
Incredible video
Christos Anesti.
Everybody gangster until Soviet Rome shows up
Venice Delenda Est
How about next time you make All Endings: Trabzon Empire?
As a Turk, the Eastern Rome is a good empire. We can conquer them, but they are a piece of our history too. Love my Greek siblings. 🇹🇷♥️🇬🇷
Wtf was this beautiful rhythm at the beginning
The ultimate good ending should have included the entirety of Hispania & southern half of Gaul.