Thank you Jeff. This is the first review of any bike anywhere that has had my brain engaged fully. Your passion for your product and depth of thought that went into their creation make the choice for my next bike very easy. I currently ride a Surly ECR on 3" chronicles. Have toured in Western Australia and rode fully loaded through the Mundabiddi trail, a 1000km gravel track through the Jarrah forests. + Tyre touring is the way to go. Thanks again. I'll be in touch.
I love this video and how U talk. It raminds me a time when I was a kid and have visited my kid friend as he just get a new Lego kit. Same exitment. True passion and full commitment to the product in the eyes. Bravo!
everything jeff makes and says makes so much sense. 1- a touring bike with multiple hand positons without drop bars . amazing. cheaper more durable and serviceable parts due to no drop bars. why is this not main stream? 2 -he said his bike is great for city, commuting, touring, etc. BRILLIANT! if a bike is comfortable in the city, why wouldn't it be good for touring? bikes are too specific and Jeff built a bike that can do anything. it's not a race bike, but i dont want to race. 3- It's amazing his ideas are not main stream. they are so practical. function over form every time. thanks Jeff!!!!!
That tourer looks the shit!! Too sick, loving the tyres, wheels and having toured on skinny wheels it's good to see common sense come out. It's about 800 miles from John O' Groats to Land's End in the uk and changing tyres and tube flats took up too much time and effort. I'm going fat & low from now on! Hoping for a recumbent soon though made long wheel base to go UK to Greece - Turkey to China for my 60th? Sounds cool.
Great to hear that you’re enjoying your LWB! I don't recommend using a SWB fork on a LWB frame. You may be feeling what is sometimes called "self steering" from how light and easy the steering is. It does not take much effort to initiate a turn with this geometry. Also, too much or too little air pressure, especially with the smooth tire can give a self steering feeling. I recommend 10-15 psi, on road or dirt with these bikes. Jones bikes have lower trail and less flop than most mtb bikes. When designing the LWB, I wanted a bike with a longer wheelbase and bigger wheels. I also wanted to keep the quick handling and fit, with short reach to the bars and a slack seat angle like my Jones 29er and SWB bikes. To do this I increased the chainstay length, slackened the head tube angle and increased the fork offset. This increased the wheelbase while keeping the fit almost the same as on the SWB. The big increase in fork offset reduced the trail measurement to a number that is less than with the SWB! This kept the handling quick with light steering even though the LWB has bigger wheels and longer wheelbase. It's great at low speed and track standing. Other bikes with less fork offset and slacker head tube angles will have much more trail, which also means more flop. The SWB fork is shorter and has less offset for the smaller wheel and the shorter wheelbase of the SWB bike. Using an SWB fork on an LWB would lower the front end, steepen the head tube angle and increase the trail a few millimeters not reducing flop. Jones framesets (frame and fork) are designed to work together to give you the best ride. Enjoy our rides! Jeff
@@Veloperator Thank you so much for the crash course in fork rake, trail and offset! Yes my LWB self steers a bit but it's not objectionable. Per your explanation I'll keep it as designed. Thanks again!
Hi I ride a Fuji Touring and I want to shift to the Jones Loop. My Fuji has bar end shifters. I want to retain the bar end shifters, how do I fix them on. Please guide
Hi, Bar end shifters can fit but I do not recommend them because they will be harder to reach, the cable will make it harder to use the right grips and the shift lever will hit the ground if you lay the bike down... Here is the H-Bar manual with what you need to know about installing and setting up the bars to get the best ride: www.jonesbikes.com/content/Jones_H-Bar_GUIDE_web_v3.pdf
Love the frames for touring but would only have syspension now for comfort and control. Some of the roads are worse than off road tracks because you hit the hole with more speed.
Big tires have less drag, ride better and have no issue with hitting road pot holes at high speed. Especially with the long wheel base geometry. Check out this touring bike: instagram.com/p/Bu_vIAcgCRN/ see the tires work fast road and bumps ua-cam.com/video/bJ8LbYh4U9Y/v-deo.html
@@Veloperator Why do big tires offer less drag and is pressure important: so would you increase the pressure if you have 30km of pavement until the next section of single track? Or do you just set them at 15PSI most of the time and ride?
When riding with wider rims and tires, you can run lower pressure so bumps are absorbed better letting you roll with less resistance. I run the same pressure (about 12psi) on the road that I run for rough off-road riding. Increasing the pressure on the road would give a rougher and less efficient ride.
The length from lower headset to the axle is much shorter with this fork than a suspension fork or a suspension corrected rigid fork, and the increased rake/offset is not that much, but head tube angle also matters... Headsets are very durable and this is nothing to to worry about. Call me if you still have questions about this.
@@cccpkingu The reason for more fork rake is to reduce the trail measurement and put the wheel out front more (increase the front center). Almost all bikes have fork "rake", also known as "off set". This all affects balance and handling. This is not a suspension fork and it is not designed to be one. More info on bike rake/offset here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry
Mr.Jones l like your bike verymuch but i don,t have money to enougf for buy am a poor man and sick virushiv and i hope to ride around the world now my 49 year i think one life some like ican do it please read my massege please!!!! it my hope your bike inspinre for me got inside you
Thank you Jeff. This is the first review of any bike anywhere that has had my brain engaged fully. Your passion for your product and depth of thought that went into their creation make the choice for my next bike very easy.
I currently ride a Surly ECR on 3" chronicles. Have toured in Western Australia and rode fully loaded through the Mundabiddi trail, a 1000km gravel track through the Jarrah forests. + Tyre touring is the way to go. Thanks again. I'll be in touch.
"... you could go smaller, but there's no point." I love it, that's the way I see it.
Fantastic! thanks for continue to trailblaze without useless marketing or annual unnecessary products cycles
I love this video and how U talk. It raminds me a time when I was a kid and have visited my kid friend as he just get a new Lego kit. Same exitment. True passion and full commitment to the product in the eyes. Bravo!
everything jeff makes and says makes so much sense.
1- a touring bike with multiple hand positons without drop bars . amazing. cheaper more durable and serviceable parts due to no drop bars. why is this not main stream?
2 -he said his bike is great for city, commuting, touring, etc. BRILLIANT! if a bike is comfortable in the city, why wouldn't it be good for touring? bikes are too specific and Jeff built a bike that can do anything. it's not a race bike, but i dont want to race.
3- It's amazing his ideas are not main stream. they are so practical. function over form every time. thanks Jeff!!!!!
Thank you!
I'm 6'2" and used to work as a bike mechanic. I love how high the clamps on the workstands are set! Great video!
Good to see some new vids . i have been lusting after a spaceframe for oh so many years , one day .
Learned a lot, thank you! Now I just need to save up to get a Jones and have my gravel grinding, MTB riding, city hopping dream bike.
I will really be happy for you when you do
Good looking bikes, my dude. Glad to see you're still looking it. Nothing's changed!
Great video, you can see the passion and knowledge. Keep on building amazing bikes.
Good, informative video. Great resolution as well!
That tourer looks the shit!! Too sick, loving the tyres, wheels and having toured on skinny wheels it's good to see common sense come out. It's about 800 miles from John O' Groats to Land's End in the uk and changing tyres and tube flats took up too much time and effort. I'm going fat & low from now on! Hoping for a recumbent soon though made long wheel base to go UK to Greece - Turkey to China for my 60th? Sounds cool.
Well cool. There some really slick products.
Wow those are nice bikes!
You are my hero ✊
Been waiting over a year for the LWB unicrown fork to be back in stock....any ETA?
trying designing a lift to get these heavy bikes up to the clamps !!
Go Jeff. Great bikes!!!
I am a very happy LWB Complete owner. Would a SWB fork on my LWB lessen wheel flop at low speeds while commuting on pavement?
Great to hear that you’re enjoying your LWB!
I don't recommend using a SWB fork on a LWB frame.
You may be feeling what is sometimes called "self steering" from how light and easy the steering is. It does not take much effort to initiate a turn with this geometry. Also, too much or too little air pressure, especially with the smooth tire can give a self steering feeling. I recommend 10-15 psi, on road or dirt with these bikes. Jones bikes have lower trail and less flop than most mtb bikes.
When designing the LWB, I wanted a bike with a longer wheelbase and bigger wheels. I also wanted to keep the quick handling and fit, with short reach to the bars and a slack seat angle like my Jones 29er and SWB bikes.
To do this I increased the chainstay length, slackened the head tube angle and increased the fork offset. This increased the wheelbase while keeping the fit almost the same as on the SWB. The big increase in fork offset reduced the trail measurement to a number that is less than with the SWB! This kept the handling quick with light steering even though the LWB has bigger wheels and longer wheelbase. It's great at low speed and track standing. Other bikes with less fork offset and slacker head tube angles will have much more trail, which also means more flop.
The SWB fork is shorter and has less offset for the smaller wheel and the shorter wheelbase of the SWB bike. Using an SWB fork on an LWB would lower the front end, steepen the head tube angle and increase the trail a few millimeters not reducing flop.
Jones framesets (frame and fork) are designed to work together to give you the best ride.
Enjoy our rides!
Jeff
@@Veloperator Thank you so much for the crash course in fork rake, trail and offset! Yes my LWB self steers a bit but it's not objectionable. Per your explanation I'll keep it as designed. Thanks again!
Hi I ride a Fuji Touring and I want to shift to the Jones Loop. My Fuji has bar end shifters. I want to retain the bar end shifters, how do I fix them on. Please guide
Hi, Bar end shifters can fit but I do not recommend them because they will be harder to reach, the cable will make it harder to use the right grips and the shift lever will hit the ground if you lay the bike down... Here is the H-Bar manual with what you need to know about installing and setting up the bars to get the best ride:
www.jonesbikes.com/content/Jones_H-Bar_GUIDE_web_v3.pdf
Love the frames for touring but would only have syspension now for comfort and control. Some of the roads are worse than off road tracks because you hit the hole with more speed.
Big tires have less drag, ride better and have no issue with hitting road pot holes at high speed. Especially with the long wheel base geometry. Check out this touring bike: instagram.com/p/Bu_vIAcgCRN/ see the tires work fast road and bumps ua-cam.com/video/bJ8LbYh4U9Y/v-deo.html
@@Veloperator Why do big tires offer less drag and is pressure important: so would you increase the pressure if you have 30km of pavement until the next section of single track? Or do you just set them at 15PSI most of the time and ride?
When riding with wider rims and tires, you can run lower pressure so bumps are absorbed better letting you roll with less resistance. I run the same pressure (about 12psi) on the road that I run for rough off-road riding. Increasing the pressure on the road would give a rougher and less efficient ride.
Jeff , I want one!!!!
Brilliant!
That was a very educational video
Really nice bicycles
Is there a frameset for 29" and Rohloff?
Hi Jeff can do a video for Jones space frame using Jones uncrown fork?
The unicrown fork preforms the same when used with a Spaceframe.
Does the longer rake put more load on the bottom headset bearings?
The length from lower headset to the axle is much shorter with this fork than a suspension fork or a suspension corrected rigid fork, and the increased rake/offset is not that much, but head tube angle also matters... Headsets are very durable and this is nothing to to worry about. Call me if you still have questions about this.
Thank you for the answer. I guess the reason for the rake is that it is flexible.
@@cccpkingu The reason for more fork rake is to reduce the trail measurement and put the wheel out front more (increase the front center). Almost all bikes have fork "rake", also known as "off set". This all affects balance and handling. This is not a suspension fork and it is not designed to be one. More info on bike rake/offset here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry
good for ride...
I want a Jones h bar
I'm not really sure that they SHOULD have cloned Bruce Dern... but apparently, THEY DID!?!? ;)
Mr.Jones l like your bike verymuch but i don,t have money to enougf for buy am a poor man and sick virushiv and i hope to ride around the world now my 49 year i think one life some like ican do it please read my massege please!!!! it my hope your bike inspinre for me got inside you